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Leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley
Leader of the Opposition Barbados Labour Party Mia Mottley
Mr. Harold Hoyte is a founding member of the Nation Group and is President and Editor-in-Chief of The Nation Publishing Company in Barbados.
Harold Hoyte Editor Emeritus of The Nation Publishing Company
Lindsay Holder, former Chairman of the BAMC
Lindsay Holder is a former Chairman of the Barbados Agricultural Management Company Limited

Over the last couple years BU has articulated, we hope dispassionately, on the issue of the open immigration policy which was practiced by the previous government. At no time have we supported xenophobic behaviour or bigotry in the ensuing discourse. We have simply held a position that while Barbados should be committed to its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, it does not mean that our borders should be assaulted by all and sundry seeking the proverbial streets lined with gold at the expense of the vision which Barbadians have held-up for itself through the years. BU readers can do a search using the keyword โ€˜immigrationโ€™ to access the many blogs posted on this subject.

The conspiracy which has emerged across the region to spin a false position in response to Prime Minister David Thompsonโ€™s Ministerial Statement after he announced an amnesty for CARICOM nationals, has been blatant and symptomatic of a political and social immaturity.

Any interested observer of regional affairs would conclude that the issue of immigration is a topical one. Since the announcement by Thompson of the amnesty the issue has become accentuated. In the Advocate Newspaper of 14 June 2009 a Mr. Lindsay Holder was as clear as anyone can be in elucidating on the immigration issue which Barbados and the region is currently battling, he did so without the use of jargon, fuzzy logic, ideological or jingoistic biases. We highly commend the Advocate Newspaper for giving voice to this important issue which is being manipulated by politicians, academics, Fourth Estate and prominent and other influential persons in Barbados and across the region.

As the popular saying goes we will probably not agree with the many persons who submit articles to be published on BU, but we will always defend their right to be heard. In recent days BU in this vain would have published two submissions by George Braithwaite, a PhD Candidate in International Politics researching the topic of immigration in the region.

In the Sunday Sun of 14 June 2009 the headline Bad Rep, the Opposition Leader of Barbados Mia Mottley was highly critical of the Barbados governmentโ€™s new immigration policy. She suggested that Barbados isย  likely to suffer a backlash from some Caricom members as a result. The point which continues to elude Mottley is the fact that managing our borders is a matter of sovereignty and MUST not be dictated by those who themselves have done a muck-up job of managing their own countries.

Increasingly in recent weeks one of the characteristics which defines an American has beenย  been flickering in the minds of the BU household. The best definition we could find of what it meansย  to be an American is an unswerving support and devotion to our flag, our elected officials, our men and women in uniform. For others, patriotism means criticizing politicians when they take America in the wrong direction, protesting in the streetsโ€”sometimes even burning the flag. Patriotism also has complex ties to citizenship, race, and nationalism, as well as to the ways in which we remember our wars and the people who fought in them โ€“ University of Chicago.

Barbados for all that it has accomplished, and which has led to it being considered the island of opportunity in the region, has been allowing slowly but surely, a conspiracy by some to take root to undermine the Bajan success. The issue which Barbados faces is not honouring its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, but one of ensuring that it effectively manages the country in the way that it has successfully done in a post-independence era.ย  Many of the countries in the region who are crying foul of the new immigration policy i.e. Guyana and St. Vincent would do well to use Barbados as a model to their own revival of political and economic fortunes.

The two stakeholders in Barbados we are most disappointed are the Opposition Barbados Labour Party and the Fourth Estate. In the face of a regional conspiracy to undermine the reputation and goodwill of Barbados which was built under the astute management by successive governments, we have a situation now where for political expediency the government in waiting is safeguarding it legacy by confusing the illegal immigration problem faced by Barbados by masking its position in the known challenges of implementing a political and economic union. In another place BU used the analogy that if CARICOM/CSME were a regional company its profitability would hinge on an efficient implementation of aย  vertical integration strategy. CARICOM conversely has not done enough to strengthen and harmonize key institutions and procedures.

The Fourth Estate in Barbados has aided and abetted the vulnerable position which Barbados now finds itself by being unpatriotic in the positions is has taken, the Nation Newspapers and Voice of Barbados the main culprits. The media in Barbados has been generous in giving a voice to an anti-government sentiment concerning the immigration issue. The populist view in Barbados is a commonsense view that the previous governmentโ€™s position of allowing unskilled people whether from Guyana, Jamaica and elsewhere is untenable. Even the other ethnic groups from Europe and China have come under the microscope. Talk show host Dennis Johnson always uses the example that all are welcome to Barbados but it must be done under agreed terms. In other words if you are invited to someone’s home one still needs to knock on the door and remain seated in the sitting room before being invited to the bedroom. After all it is our home and respect and common courtesies are due!

The fact that our Fourth Estate in Barbados gives a generous voice to Rickey Singh, who continues to bite the hand which has fed him for so many years, and not give EQUAL voice to other views which represent ordinary Barbadians is disgusting. Bare in mind that Singh has not used his pen to expose the atrocities currently at play in Guyana.

The fact that the Fourth Estate ignores the hatchet job being done on the good reputation of Barbados by Singh, Saunders et al who are syndicated columnists and remain passive to respond is an indictment on their duty to accurately report the views of ordinary Barbadians who are its supporters.

The fact that the Guyanese media has been freely publishing articles which are unfairly critical of Barbadosโ€™ immigration policy with no response from the Barbados media except to cherry pick those opinions which support narrow political views is hypocrisy of a high level.

The fact that the media in Barbados continues to blackout reporting on the political and racial tensions in Guyana which have spurred an exodus of Guyanese to swarm the smaller Caribbean nations to the North is journalistic dishonesty.

The fact that the media has ignored the commonsense concern of ordinary Barbadians that learned behaviours derived in a Guyanese environment rifted with racial conflict may pose issues to the stable host population of Barbados is ignorant.

The fact that the Fourth Estate and the Opposition Party of Barbados led by Mia Mottley sit passively and allow Jagdeo to cherry pick the issue of immigration to undermine the earned good reputation of Barbados is unpatriotic. The known political and racial conflict in Guyana and the accommodation of unsavoury people like Roger Khan et al which have been left silent represent a betrayal of Barbados and a usurping of their core responsibilities.

The Chairmanship of CARICOM will be passed to Jagdeo in July, he will without a doubt use tit o promote his narrow interest.ย  It maybe the last straw which will break the backย  and or setback the regional initiative of CARICOM and the CSME.


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  1. livinginbarbados // June 23, 2009 at 11:33 am

    @Adrian

    My apologies for not alerting you to my commentary on Brass Tacks (on the problems of legal migrants perhaps posing a bigger burden on Barbados than illegals), which I just made. Perhaps you can catch it later ๐Ÿ™‚ Otherwise, have a wonderful day.
    ————————————————–
    Tell us how you arrived at this FUTURE POSSIBILITY. Can’t be anything better than prophecy from an economist. I want to read the specifics of your musings. Indeed I can always extract the comedic value of it’s delivery later.


  2. Adrian Hinds // June 23, 2009 at 11:31 am

    It is time that we Barbadians who support our Governmentโ€™s intent on instituting a manage migration policy.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    The manage migration policy is not a DLP initiative – it is BLP policy – the very one the BLP was about to implement when the government change.

    The DLP is intent on “deportation” Remember, Thompson said Barbados is for Barbadians.

    Your post sound like damage control and a coming around to what the Opposition Leader was saying all along:

    “manage migration, an electronic border management system and a humane immigration policy that reflects our national strategic objectives as it relates to:

    labour, agriculture, the economy, standard of living and quality of life.”

  3. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    @Adrian
    “Tell us how you arrived at this FUTURE POSSIBILITY. Canโ€™t be anything better than prophecy from an economist.”

    Perhaps you are unaware that BT is usually aired again later in the evening. It is also possible to call the studio and ask them for a CD of the day’s broadcast. No prophesy just an inconvenient truth.

  4. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    @Anonymous,

    My remarks are consistent with what I wrote here earlier. Managed migration is not the same as bearable migration: zero illegals but 1000 legals can be a bigger burden. I will take Mr. Marshall’s agreement as meaning that I am not a total fool.

  5. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    @The Scout
    “If you discovered that you were standing in a antsโ€™ nest and they were stinging the hell out of you, would you stop to count how many ants are there before you get rid of the problem? On second thought, I think you would check numbers first to see if you can tolerate them first and what is the benefits derived by the stings.Maybe they are injecting some needed energy into your body.”

    I look forward to your reply to Themis.

    Having lived this kind of experience, I did want to know whether the nest had in a few or many ants. After I ran away, I went back to see from what I was fleeing. I saw that it was a small nest and dealt with my concern by just leaving it be.

    I personally don’t think it’s a good example. The ants had every right to sting me as I was probably damaging their home, yet I was only one against their possible many yet they chose to attack me. Bees might be better, because we could then discuss whether they brought me benefits (honey, pollenation of crops) and if getting rid of them may actually destroy what I was in the process of building (a honey business and an orchard).


  6. So does that mean you will LEAVE!


  7. Hog Squeal // June 23, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Adrian Hinds // June 23, 2009 at 11:31 am

    It is time that we Barbadians who support our Governmentโ€™s intent on instituting a manage migration policy.โ€
    ————————————————-

    On any national issue, such as this I look to My government for clarity guidence, and action that defends our border, and our culture, to the benefit of us authorized Citizens of Barbados.

    Note I said our Government, it matters little to me as does our Parliamentary rules which political party makes up the Mojority, during it’s life and sessions. The position of the LOTO is an office and significant part of a active government and parliament. That said to some who thought of the idea tends to feature less than the person who institutes it. Action in my book will always speak louder than mere words.

    Political party only matters to me during the silly season (um is such a silly institution) when I pick a side and actively encourage my fellow Barbados electors on why they should join me in my choice.

    BTW: It is very clear that you are squealing for attention, and as a hog, the trough you long for will not be in sight for another 3 years, after which it may be another five. Do you have a backup plan in the event that you are 8 years remove from your favourite feeding utensil?


  8. @Hog Squeal

    โ€ข The manage migration policy is not a DLP initiative โ€“ it is BLP policy โ€“ the very one the BLP was about to implement when the government change.
    **************************************
    Hog Squeal an apt name if I may say so; cuddear yuh mean the people throw you out of office before you could implement de immigration policy? You had 14 years and now dem so ungrateful that they didnโ€™t give you another 14 years to implement all these plans that yuh had in mind. Leh we know bout de udder tings dat we missed by changing de guvโ€™t.


  9. I am fully aware of VOB rebroadcast and cd offerings. I can offer cd’s too. If anyone wants a copy of Rawle Eastmond’s Diabolical speech let me know. lol! De Devil he says is/was in his BLP collegues. ha ha ha

    Livinginbarbados // June 23, 2009 at 11:54 am

    @Adrian
    โ€œTell us how you arrived at this FUTURE POSSIBILITY. Canโ€™t be anything better than prophecy from an economist.โ€
    ————————————————-
    This is all foolishness, that is likely more about legitimizing your title as an economist than shedding light on anything. This is purely a three way hair split with the defines of illegal migratin vs. Manage migration vs. “bearable Migration” the constant in all three is BODIES, and core to our argument is SPACE as in LANDMASS. Our support for the Manage migration policy is rooted in BODIES vs. SPACE with other off shoots concerns.


  10. BTW: It is very clear that you are squealing for attention, and as a hog, the trough you long for will not be in sight for another 3 years, after which it may be another five. Do you have a backup plan in the event that you are 8 years remove from your favourite feeding utensil?
    ___________________________

    HA HA HA LOL! AH I respect you fah trut!

    You aint easy!

  11. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Adrian Hinds
    “Our support for the Manage migration policy is rooted in BODIES vs. SPACE with other off shoots concerns” Well that last clause seems open-ended, but that does not concern me at the moment.

    I do not buy this land/space argument except as being a limiting factor. It depends what you do with the land and people. Like with agriculture, any land mass can be made more productive than another of the same size.

    Hong Kong has 7 million people on 31 squre miles, but generates considerably more income than Barbados.

    Singapore has nearly 5 million on 225 square miles, and has an ethnic mix that is about 3/4 Chinese, but has Malays and Indians, plus a sizeable mix of Arabs and European-based ethnicities. It too is considerably wealthier than Barbados.

    Both of these Asian economies have very diverse economies, with only a small base built on tourism.

    These other very densely populated countries are not irrelevant to Barbados’ experience, I argue, not least in how they deal with migrant flows.


  12. A deliberately complex pyrimid of migration, illegal, managed, and bearable has been constructed by those who see it as their place and role to engineer changes to our respective Islands against our wishes. If there were any truth to the labels thrown at us, such as “ethnic cleansing” “xenophobic” “discriminatory” etc. Would we be supporting a Manage process to migration? What does Managing process tell you? Does it mean to stop the process all together?

    Anon: Unlike many I have not and refuse to put ALL childish things. There is a still clear need to tell it like it is, and such as always been child’s play.


  13. So LIB why you aint living in these places such as Hong Kong, signapore etc.

    You should go you know!


  14. LIB develop the comparison for me I am not feeling you on where you are going with it. What do these comparisons have to do with Barbados and what IT’S CITIZENS WANT? ALSO TELL US WHAT ARE THE OTHER SIMILARITIES, HISTORIES, AND CURRENT EXPERIENCES, CULTURE AND LAWS that are similar to Barbados. Also tells us of all the differences if any, and if any of those differences are important to the continued harmony between the various ethnicities in their spaces.


  15. There is a reality that we must all face up to. Barbados simply cannot afford to have all these immigrants at this time. Another year of declining tourism revenues, increasing difficulty in getting foreign exchange loans and declining foreign direct investment will result in declining foreign reserves.

  16. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Adrian Hinds
    “…develop the comparison for me…”

    Simply put, bodies and land arguments only tell us that people exist in a space.

    I cited Hong Kong and Singapore as examples of countries much more densely populated than Barbados and use that to their advantage. Economists might say they have exploited the economies of scale.

    So, saying that Barbados has problems of migration because of its population density don’t make much sense.

    Culturally and politically, the others countries/territories are very different. Now, if we are to discuss whether Barbados is culturally disposed against immigration, or that Barbados’ citizens say they do not want immigration, then that can go ahead with no regard to density.

  17. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Anonymous
    “So LIB why you aint living in these places such as Hong Kong, signapore etc.”

    Been there, done that. Two years in HK, and only a few months in Singapore. Black people living in south-east Asia are a real novelty, so think about a spell there and see how you like it.


  18. @LIB

    To raise Hong Kong and Singapore to the debate is to disregard the cultural context at play.

  19. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David
    “To raise Hong Kong and Singapore to the debate is to disregard the cultural context at play”

    I raised them in the context of land/space, as a challenge to the ‘we’re densely populated’ notion, as if that were some absolute.

    I wont say that you are doing what I am sometimes accused of by now saying, but we must take account of ‘cultural context’.

    One can always find a reason why a comparison is not wholly valid, especially if they take us in directions we don’t like ๐Ÿ™‚

    Anyway, it’s there for those who want to consider it.

    I’m now reflecting on a caller saying that new apartments being built are going to be taken up by “illegals” (I hope I heard right), because the rents are too high for ordinary Bajans, but “illegals” can afford them because they dont worry about living in privacy. Interesting, to think that if she is right and illegals get sent out, what will happen to the apartments which the Bajans cannot afford.


  20. Well go back!


  21. Sargeant said:

    “You had 14 years and now dem so ungrateful that they didnโ€™t give you another 14 years to implement all these plans that yuh had in mind. Leh we know bout de udder tings dat we missed by changing de guvโ€™t.”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Sir,

    Read the National Strategic Plan 2006-2025 or the BLP’s 2008 Manifesto.

    For sure ,if the BLP was in office, Barbadians would not be price gouged on land tax, petroleum prices and water as they now are.

    The unemployment rate would be no where near double digits, furthermore 10.1% and Barbadians would definately not be distracted with a debate on “deportation.

    Regional scholars and Heads would not be cussing the Barbados government and Barbadians would be better received when they travel.

    The CSME would be further advanced and Barbados would be providing leadership for Barbados and the region.

    For sure, the Guyana President would not be leading talks when the region meets Obama in July.

  22. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Anonymous
    “Well go back!”

    Sounds similar to the mantra in England that many Caribbean migrants heard: “If they’re black, send them back”, or “We don’t want your kind here” or “England for the English”.


  23. Key immigration issues
    Wednesday, December 10, 2008

    Employment Eligibility Verification.

    In 2009, federal contractors will be required to use E-verify, an electronic system (that’s voluntary for other employers) to confirm the work eligibility of new hires.

    Congress must reauthorize funding for the E-verify program before March 1, but business groups vow to fight it, calling the system onerous.

    Civil liberties groups say its inaccuracies will penalize legal workers.

    President-elect Barack Obama has said he favors making such a system mandatory for all employers but he wants it to include improved accuracy and privacy standards.

    Immigration raids: During the past two years, the Bush administration has stepped up arrests of illegal immigrants through worksite raids and operations targeting immigration fugitives.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested 40,000 people in 2008 and 36,000 the year before. Immigrant advocates say the raids have disproportionately hit workers rather than abusive employers.

    Obama has condemned the human toll of the raids.

    Border enforcement: Border Patrol funding and staffing more than doubled during the Bush administration, and Homeland Security officials have been working overtime to build 700 miles of border fence, although only about half of that will be done by the end of the year.

    Obama has said he supports strong borders, and he voted to authorize the fence, but he has said that a fence is not the best approach.

    Earned legalization: Obama has said he supports allowing otherwise-law-abiding undocumented immigrants to obtain legal status if they pay a fine and back taxes, admit they’ve broken the law, learn English and go to the back of the line.

    He supports the DREAM Act, which offers citizenship to college-bound young people brought to the United States illegally as children.

    But observers believe that these proposals will have to wait behind priority issues like stimulating the economy, ending the war in Iraq and fixing the nation’s health care system.

    Legal immigration reform: Obama favors fixing the “dysfunctional bureaucracy” in the legal immigration system, including eliminating backlogs for family based immigration.

    The country faces a still-unresolved debate over whether to offer more green cards based on the country’s economic needs – for both high- and low-skilled workers – or continue the current arrangement that favors family ties.

    -Tyche Hendricks

    The story is said to have been taken from the webpage of SFGate, home of the San Francisco Chronicle, but was copied from the webpage of the Barbados Labour Party (news section)

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Let us discuss and see why – unlike what Hartley Henry says, David Thompson is so unlike Obama but much more like George Bush.


  24. @LIB

    It is known immigrants legal and illegal share apartment/house space and share rents. If illegals go back wouldn’t demand and supply kick in? Wouldn’t rents be forced down?


  25. TWO REGIONAL academics have accused Barbados of dragging its feet on the CARICOM Single Market and Economy (CSME) and being anti-integration and have called for a reshuffle in CARICOM’s quasi-Cabinet.

    But the criticisms have received swift responses from twosenior Government MPs.

    University lecturer Dr Tennyson Joseph has labelled the David Thompson administration “not pro-integration”, while Professor Norman Girvan said CSME was currently “paralysed” because of a general lack of enthusiasm among present CARICOM leaders – including Prime Minister Thompson.

    Speaking on Starcom Network’s Tell It Like It Is on Friday, Joseph, a lecturer at Cave Hill campus of the University of the West Indies, said “the language and pronouncements made [by the Thompson Administration] would lead one to conclude that the current leadership is not pro-integration”.

    He also called for some leaders to be shifted in CARICOM’s quasi-Cabinet.

    “You actually look at commitment, skill and personal ability, for example, before you give someone a ministry . . . [but] what we have in CARICOM is where a Prime Minister may inherit a portfolio,” said Joseph, who was political advisor to former St Lucia Prime Minister Dr Kenny Anthony.

    http://blp.org.bb/news/451

  26. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David

    I’m thinking this through, because it really depends whether there were meant for locals or foreigners in the first place, and if the pricing really reflects the costs or include some huge profit.

    More generally, judging by what we have seen in the past year, rent prices do not move downward that easily but when they do it does not appear that the demand comes in (see my comments on that a few days ago, http://livinginbarbados.blogspot.com/2009/06/whats-going-on.html).


  27. @David: “If illegals go back wouldnโ€™t demand and supply kick in? Wouldnโ€™t rents be forced down?

    In a frictionless economy, yes…

    Barbados’ economy is far from frictionless…

    (Read: there are already far too many empty rentals available on the market here in Bim for those who have invested in such to expect a return greater than their cost of money. And yet the prices have not dropping far enough to get thirty-something Bajan children to leave Mommy’s home….)


  28. David asked:

    “It is known immigrants legal and illegal share apartment/house space and share rents. If illegals go back wouldnโ€™t demand and supply kick in? Wouldnโ€™t rents be forced down?”

    +++++++++++++++++++
    No, but it could constibite significantly to a deepening of the recession.

    “In fact, as a small, open economy, financial distress in the global economy will inevitably be transmitted to our domestic economic space through reductions in tourism, international business and remittances, among others.

    These developments will affect Government’s revenue and, by extension, the implementation of public policies and programmes.”

    Deprting Guyanese means significant reduced spending. See what I tell you that thompson and the DLP do not know waht they are doing.

    Now – and the OECS have not retaliated yet by downgrading the amount they spend on Barbadian goods, anually, yet.

    So brace yourself.

    Perhaps the DLP is only beginning to understand what the BLP was saying all along.

    Perhaps only now is the DLP and its bloggers beginning to see the connection between population ageing, the NIS Fund, the economy; labour policy, immigration policy and agricultural policy.

    For sure, DLP bloggers seem to be very slowly getting it.

    Keep going!!!


  29. You do not need Guyanese leaving to push down rents.

    All that is necessary is for Fruendel Stuart and Michael lashley to bring the Rent Control Act, they promised in September 2008 – would be debated in Parliament soon.

  30. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David
    Chris Haswell makes the same point on rentals.

    Lest someone goes off and thinks distraction is at play, the economic consequences are important (moreso when activity is already sluggish and incomes are under pressure), and those who think that numbers are not relevant/important have not grasped that the magnitude of possible negative effects are of course much greater if the numbers affected are large.

  31. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Hog Squeal

    What little commentary I have heard from landlords, including last week, was very resistant to rent control. So, don’t hold your breath.


  32. @ LIB

    What did landlords say?

    Still, do you agree that with reduced spending by 30,000 Guyanese, Barbados (now being deported by the plane loads) our economy will be plunged into even greater recession, while our national food security plan seems in peril?

  33. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Hog Squeal
    It was a landlord on BT, who argued that government should set standards, and landlords should aim to provide decent accommodation. But government had no business telling an investor what price he needed to recoup his investment. He lamented that many who had invested in rental accommodation for Cricket World Cup were still dealing with those losses. If I recall correctly, he pointed out the importance of migrant workers to the market.

    I agree that there must be a loss of spending power and that there are several sectors that will be hit much harder. Again, one commentator on BT today referred to that, mentioning ‘distributive trades’ (aka retail shops).

    My suspicion is that the agricultural sector will get its act together to regularise as many people as possible, and also agree on some form of ‘foreign labour scheme”.


  34. Imagine that!

    The US Economy is Coming out of Recession while Barbados if heading further down the pathway to poverty.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    “The Obama administration has given the go-ahead for ten of America’s biggest banks to repay $68bn (ยฃ43bn) in emergency bail-out money after judging that the institutions have recovered sufficient stability to survive without a financial crutch from taxpayers.

    JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley and Bank of New York Mellon are among those handing back government money pumped into top Wall Street firms to avert financial collapse at the height of last year’s meltdown in the banking industry.

    The ability of the banks to return funds has been widely greeted as a sign that Wall Street is edging towards a recovery from its most traumatic financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s. But the US treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, echoed analysts and industry insiders by warning that the reconstruction of the banking sector is far from complete.

    “These repayments are an encouraging sign of financial repair, but we still have work to do,” said Geithner.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/09/tarp-us-banks-financial-crisis


  35. Livinginbarbados wrote:

    “My suspicion is that the agricultural sector will get its act together to regularise as many people as possible, and also agree on some form of โ€˜foreign labour schemeโ€.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Lost of Guyanese labour in agriculture will lead to reduced production or higher input cost (labour) hence higher prices due to reduced production or an attempt to recover overheads.

    You just wait and see!

  36. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David/Hog Squeal
    Allow me to digress with Hog Squeal.

    Don’t believe all you read in the press! Some see green shoots, others see wilting leaves…

    See Canada (because of its importance for Barbados’ tourist): now see recession there will be as deep as in US, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=anKkA8gdr1No

    Reports from EU policy makers now do not see a real upturn until 2011.

    World Bank on Sunday put its forecast of recession in 2009 as being deeper, saying that the world economy will contract 2.9 percent — down from its March estimate of a 1.7 percent drop. The World Bank said then that a 1.7 percent contraction would be the worst on record.

    Just context.


  37. @ LIB

    you make a sound point based on the evidence you presented but the Americans are no longer talking about recession. Certainly not Obama and the Treasury Secretary.

    They are talking about recovery.

    Look at what they are saying about their unemployment numbers.

  38. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David (again due deference)
    @Hog Squeal
    Spin. We may be at a bottom but that’s about it.

    The unemployment data published last week were cooked, and not consistent with previous period. When made consistent, long term unemployed ROSE not fell as the data suggested.

    Banks still aren’t lending
    1/3 of house sales are foreclosures; that’s not a sign of recovery.


  39. Hold a minute, I do not know where this is going. her is what my research leads me:

    The US unemployment rate edged up to a 25-year high of 9.4% last month as employers shed 345,000 jobs, although economist took comfort in signs that the rate of erosion in the workforce slowed down sharply.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    “Non-farm payroll figures released by the US commerce department revealed that the headline rate of unemployment rose by half a percentage point from April’s figure of 8.9%.

    However, the number of jobs disappearing from the economy was the lowest since September. Job losses significantly dropped in comparison with revised figures of 652,000 and 504,000 for March and April.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/05/us-jobless-figures-green-shoots


  40. There can be no doubt that by deporting large numbers of immigrants economic activity will decrease. The number of empty rental units will increase, consumption will fall and employment will increase.

    Think about the alternative. Keep all of the immigrants and use up all your foreign exchange to maintain them in Barbados.

    In a year or two Barbados could be facing devaluation. It is better that we have temporary unemployment and a stable currency. The safer strategy is to reduce imports by reducing the numbers now living in Barbados

  41. Straight talk Avatar

    This duplicitous trio, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley and Bank of New York Mellon, are repaying bailout funds, they never needed, purely to take advantage of the next scam, government guaranteed toxic asset purchases.
    All bailed out banks are barred from this copper-bottomed trough.


  42. There can be no doubt that by deporting large numbers of immigrants economic activity will decrease. The number of empty rental units will increase, consumption will fall and employment will increase.

    Think about the alternative. Keep all of the immigrants and use up all your foreign exchange to maintain them in Barbados.

    In a year or two Barbados could be facing devaluation. It is better that we have temporary unemployment and a stable currency. The safer strategy is to reduce imports by reducing the numbers now living in Barbados.


  43. I made the comment some days past that numbers of illegal immigrants are irrelevant…to the Laws of Barbados.

    We have a democratically elected Government carrying out the wishes of the majority of its electorate.
    A sovereign nation acting according to its Laws and what it believes is in the best long term interest of its people…that is democracy.

    What Singapore or Hong Kong does is irrelevant.

    In many so called developed countries one illegal immigrant – from any country – is summarily deported daily. People do not make the nonsensical statement…he/she is only one.

    We have an effort here – by some – to constantly change the area of combat, because the measures taken by the DLP Government are so watertight there is no legitimate or substantive case to oppose them.

  44. Straight talk Avatar

    StudentX:

    I have some doubt about the decrease in economic activity.

    The majority of deportees would have held down jobs, illegal ones maybe, but still paying enough to support their lifestyle.

    Their jobs have not been sent back to Guyana and are now available to the increasing pool of Bajan unemployed.

    Hopefully these jobs would become legitimised and contribute to NIS and Tax.

    Maybe even at a higher wage rate, if some of the theories about exploitation are true.

    So a win-win situation may occur, less unemployment benefits paid out and more revenue for the GoB along with the wage still in circulation.

  45. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Straight Talk
    “I have some doubt about the decrease in economic activity…”

    The outcome must depend on why illegals were preferred to either legal migrants or locals. I see at least 3 scenarios.

    1. If it’s a matter of wages/terms and conditions of service, both legal migrants (if allowed to enter and work) and Barbadians may be tempted to offer themselves because jobs seem scarcer now. But does that mean that once economic conditions improve the current situation will reappear?

    2. If it’s a matter of skills mismatch (as was evident during Cricket World Cup), then very little will change for locals, who cannot retrain instantaneously; legal migrants with the right skills may then be more likely.

    3. If it’s about unethical behaviour and/or illicit activities, the ‘unholy alliance’ perhaps works best with willing illegals: legals should not get approval to come to work in illicit activities, and we have been led to believe that the stock of Barbadians wanting to be involved in these activties will remain small.

    While others may not feel the need to look overseas for guidance it’s worth seeing how such attempts to reverse illegal immigration have worked or not.


  46. I’m sick and tired of hearing crap all day. The simple matter of fact is that my P.M in an effort to regularise the influx of immigrants into Barbados has stated his policy, in true Erskine Sandiford words” who don,t like it can lump it.” Pay me and I will help get these illegals out of the country and donate the money to some of those families that these illegals empoverished.


  47. @Yardbroom,maybe citing some of the laws in these countries could prove a point.

    Many of the ‘regionalists’ dictate that these countries are able to get over their woes from an ECONOMIC standpoint but from a LAW & ORDER standpoint these countries have severe penalties when it comes to illegal immigration.

    From my understanding of current Barbados procedure when it comes to illegal immigration is that all relevant authorities are doing the appropriate job which includes detention,verify illegal status & then deport to appropriate country of citizenship.

    In Singapore,however one can be BEATEN by the government with a CANE,FINED Thousands of dollars & Jailed between 3 months-2 years.
    http://www.singapore-window.org/80322re.htm

    Hong Kong is NOW apart of CHINA but still have their own immigration laws & routinely deport mainland Chinese.The same analogy can be used for Barbados just because we’re apart of the Caricom grouping does NOT mean we can’t deport Guyanese Caricom nationals.


  48. @LIB……Do you have a direct phone# to Golding? I’d like to ask him why he’s depriving Jamaica of such great ‘intellect’ as yourself. Here you are, fronting in Barbados, mesmerising the simpletons with your wide range of noledge and still we can’t get it. Maybe we hed too hard. Wha ya tink?

    [whey de lender get $40B from?].


  49. Keane Gibson on Benschop Radio at Guyanaobservernews.org, and she opened with a defence of Barbados’ crackdown on illegal immigrants.

    Gibson is the first person to go on air and attempt to explain the fear barbadians feel over the prospect of their society becoming like Guyana, Trinidada and Tobago, or Fiji.

  50. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Hopi
    One of the humbling experiences about coming to Barbados, with its population of 280,000 or so people, is that having pulled the wool over the eyes of millions of supposedly intelligent people in schools and universities and bamboozled the heads and staff of supposedly well-run and well-respected institutions in the public and private sector around the world for nearly 40 years, within two years, I have been exposed as a total charlatan. That heartens me, now that I can benefit from the insights and wisdom that have been hidden here. I regret those lost years and I am in your debt.

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