@199….And christianity have brought us peace, love and harmony, all things are equal, no more pillaging, marauding,slaughter, man-made diseases, theft of other peoples resources, no more atomic bombs, no wars, no torture, no deception, NO MORE LIES. What a lovely utopia we have here on earth, won’t you agree? YA GOTTA LOVE IT!

@ GP…

What denomination are you?

It seems you are a Christian with a difference…..maybe there is still hope.

Hopi
It is people like you that mislead youngsters. You said you have a huge problem respecting authority? Then just do as you like but accept the results. Everything in life can’t be at your liking but there must be a system and once you live in this world you MUST accept the system or accept the results of not doing so. Simple. The Christian values here are simple ” do unto others as you would want them to do to you” and love your neighbour as yourself.” If people would follow these simple instructions, this would would be a better place but too many of us wants to dictate to others to do what we want but ignore others concerns.That is selfishness. But then maybe, you are.

ROK, I sympathise with your view but, do you think that barbarity exists/existed solely, among the white man?!! ROK, do you suppose that those ‘gentle’ and ‘civilised’ Africans, or natives of all nationalities, were n’t ALSO, BARBARIC BASTARDS?!!

Barbarity is natural to mankind and it’s only the kindly, influences of religion, predominantly, CHRISTIANITY, which saves us from the fullest, excesses of it! Man is a naturally, barbaric animal, have n’t you realised, yet, ROK!!

ROK, and all, to nail this argument!! Where would any of us be today, if it was n’t for a forest of laws to protect us!! ROK, AND OTHERS, what further evidence do you require?!!

Man is a barbaric-animal, by default which CHRISTIANITY, saves us from!!

Whatttttttttt a friend we have in Jeeeeessssssussssssss………………….

David, when yuh ready please tell me wha dat long wird in d title mean!!

It in in my dictionery!!

Laaaaadddddddddddddddddd!!!!

I still love you as a friend and as a child of God.

**************

Thanks, Scout, and likewise!! I’m a rocker an caan stan to be bored fuh too, long so anything u say is ok, bro, within reason!! It’s only a blog, afterall, and nothing’s going to make much difference to anything, anyway!!

BTW, just watched a rather sagacious, discussion from the House of Lords, up here which reminded me of The Senate, in Bim!! Does anything happen there?!! Can’t say I’ve heard of it, recently!!

Hopi, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but you’re wrong!! I’ve had problems with Muslims for the vast majority of my life that I’ve lived in the UK!!

As for Islam being the answer!! Well, Hopi, all I can say is that you can’t be living in THIS world, bro!! That’s the politest, thing which I can think to say about that, at the moment – don’t want to be too, abusive!! Too early in the N. Year!!

Lord!!

BTW, for all our elucidation!! Just which planet ARE you from!!

haha, a bunch or non-thinking thinkers arguing about whose set of fairy tales is better.

Here’s a hint: No matter which set of stories you believe, more than half the world believes something else.

Your arrogance tells you that your particular set of beliefs are right.

My thinking is that there are no more right than when people believed in Thor and Zeus.

Now grow up and get on with your lives.

Yup, your reality has been created and manipulated for you.

Ever wondered why there is such a high correlation between your religion and your parent’s religion?

If you had parent’s from another part of the world, you would have another religion. And it’s all neatly packaged and spoonfed to you while you’re young.

You would think when you grew up you would get a clue.

Ask yourself this: If christianity is right, then Hinduism must be wrong. But there are millions upon millions of Hindu. So what was able to fool so many people?

Hint: The same thing that’s fooling you right now into believing that there is a magic man in the sky that listens to your beg for an A on your exam.

Rohan

This is a christian society and a hindu man like yourself living in this society should at least be respectful to our beliefs.

If you were in Mombai or calcutta or even saudi arabia you would be looking over your shoulder as you type that post.

Quit the crap man.

Rohan:

Ease up on these myth pushers, please.

Your denial does not bring about their intended reflection, only their basest instincts of protection and aggression.

Thank anyone, that their rapture is less than three years away.

Let them depart to their never- never land, and leave the rest of us in peace from their hatreds.

199

I was taught that man was at first in the jungle and forests and that back then was probably the most barbaric existence.

After that, man started to organise into communities and societies and out of societies came empires. Rules of acceptance were in force at the beginning of socety and not when Christianity came along.

In as much as there were wars then there are probably as much wars now and the crime in today’s society escalating; like round the corner. So what change did Christianity bring? Slavery? LOL!

Hopi
Since you’re going down that line, I would just pray for you but I refuse to have dialogue with you. I would just ask God to had mercy on your soul. I predict on this day 26th Jan 2009 that before the end of thids year you will have a right-about change in your life and you wouyld become a true Christian. God is in control.

Rohan & Straight talk,

Do you believe there are some truths greater than reason?

Ok ST. I believe that reason is a tool we use in search of the truth.

ROK, I’ve a simple question to ask you bro which will elucidate the matter!! Simply, which are the most peaceful parts of the globe, the Christian parts or non-Christian? Also, who have ever done anything or, by far the most, to help you (the people of) Bim? The christian or non christian, world! ROK, don’t worry, the answers are obviously, THE CHRISTIAN WORLD!! Need one say more, bro!!

Rev. Dr. Dick Hertz,

A graduate? Doc, I is de principal of the Peabrain School of Theology and Massage Parlor (PSTMP)… I like I gine have to revoke your degrees yuh 🙂

199,

you sure about this?

the US is christian, no?

well it spends more on arms than every other country in the world combined

it has been involved in acts of aggression in just about every single year since world war II

and what about secular countries, you know countries that are not only, not christian, but not religious at all, countries like sweden, denmark, norway, finland

they seem pretty peaceful to me

maybe you should have a look at this..

how about you compare religious (any religion) countries against the non religious (secular)

i think you might be shocked

I suggest you look at the you tube reference which cites a recent publication on this issue which gives more accurate data than that you have quoted

I did not deny the contribution of christianity or for that matter christians but rather challenged the simplistic claim that “christian countries” are more peaceful.

A claim that does not hold up

Some details on Sweden also from the wiki……..

“As of 2006, 75.6% of the Swedes were members of the church. Somewhat less than 4 percent of the Church of Sweden membership attends public worship during an average week; about 2 percent are regular attenders”

some more………..

“Today about 76% of Swedes belong to the Church of Sweden, but the number is decreasing by about one per cent every year, and Church of Sweden services are sparsely attended (hovering in the single digit percentages of the population). The reason for the large number of inactive members is partly that until 1996, children became members automatically at birth if at least one of their parents were a member. ”

Again, hardly a “religious” society far less a christian one

And I dont they have invaded anyone recently

So it reduces to whether you want to count “church membership” or count someone as religious if they believe in a personal god and attend church

I prefer to use the latter yardstick

Not Saved
The facts are that church membership is high in Scandinavian countries and in the case of Norway, the main church is the State church. One may argue that church practice is mostly cultural and ceremonial however surveys indicate that many Scandinavians do believe in some supernatural entity.

I agree with your refutation of the claim that Christianity equals a more peaceful society but take issue with the observation (hypothesis?) that a simple diminution of religion better predicts a more peaceful society. Bhutan a very religious (Buddhist) and monarchical state (i.e with two characteristics that I normally abjure) is apparently not only peaceful but a happy country. Its former monarch being the originator of the concept of the Gross Happiness Index in juxtaposition to GDP!

That’s OK 199 as I wasn’t really addressing you.

(Just for the record, I hardly ever understand what you are “taukin about” !)

Rev Dick, did not mean to say you agreed with the assertion of 199 but rather WE are in agreement that christianity does not necessarily result in a peaceful society

Rev Dick wrote,

“surveys indicate that many Scandinavians do believe in some supernatural entity.”

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That is true. In the case of sweden, from the survey you referenced about 76% belief in “some sort of spirit or life force”

However, only 23% in the same survey responded “there is a god”

The wiki goes on to say..

“Independent of these statistics, it is generally known that Swedish society, collectively, is comparatively secular and non-religious”

Again I refer you to the book, where the objective was to better understand the level of belief in Scandinavia and to evaluate how these societies are doing in the general absence of religious belief.

Scandinavian countries are generally secular, and non religious and they seem to suffer no harm for it whatsoever.