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Annalee Davis

Members of the BU household attended the viewing of a 30 minute documentary titled On The Map produced by Annalee Davis at Solidarity House tonight (15 July 2008). The night’s proceedings was moderated by the ubiquitous Peter Wickham. The viewing although not a full house attracted a cross section of Barbados. Before we comment on the actual 30 minute ‘piece’ we should clarify a few matters which have been given rise by tonights proceedings. Norman Faria, Barbados Guyana Consul during the feedback segment of the night’s event launched a broadside at the blogs, we believe he meant BU given our persistent blogging on the Barbados immigration issue. He called on the authorities to censor us. He referred to the vile, racist and xenophobic positions taken on the blogs regarding the issue of migrant labour with a focus on the Indo-Guyanese.

Norman Faria we hope that you are reading very carefully what we are about to write:

All of our blogs to date on the immigration issue are built on two positions 1) the lack of a managed immigration policy in Barbados and 2) the socio-impact of large inflows of Indians on a predominantly Black host population. We have reread many of our blogs on the subject of immigration and we have struggled to discern any xenophobic meanings on our part. We must admit that some of our commenters have sometimes crossed the line by engaging in racial rhetoric. However Faria, Ricky Singh and others should not mistake the comments of a few commenters to represent the views of the BU household. We believe in free speech and while we don’t condone all the comments on BU we will always seek to protect freedom of expression. We believe that Barbadians are educated enough to filter racist and xenophobic nonsense from the real fears and concerns of Barbadians. The fear was very eloquently expressed by Caribbean Broadcaster Corporation broadcaster Jewel Forde and Sydney Simmons, now retired. The issue of migrant labour is a topic which is currently occupying the many countries in the world, the developed countries being no exception.

To respond to Keith Nurse who we understand is a lecturer at the UWI and who sought to scare Barbadians by referring to the Dominican /Haiti experience by mentioning the word genocide, it will not work!

To comment on the first effort by Annalee Davis to produce, we have to compliment her on the attempt to highlight a concept which is of value to our small region, i.e. migrant labour. The Caribbean was built on the backs of migrant labour and we have no doubt that this will continue. The BU household fully supports the free movement of people within a managed immigration policy. Contained within that policy must be how ethnic populations will be absorbed by our host population. It seems like we have made this point ad nauseam since our launch but some people prefer to ignore it. The construct of the presentation was woefully inadequate to deal with such a complex topic and Davis located the story mostly in the Guyanese experience and more specifically Indo-Guyanese which led to a perceived bias by the BU household. For the benefit of Davis we should provide one glaring example. The documentary featured resident Indian lawyer Bacchus, who may have some Guyanese origin speaking to the incident dubbed ‘terrible Tuesday’. The BU family may recall that the Barbados authorities sent back 20+ Guyanese who intended to visit Barbados a couple years ago. In the film we listened to Bacchus castigating the Immigration Department and by extension the Barbados government for allowing such to occur. To our surprise the documentary failed to extract an official response from the Barbados Immigration Department to bring some balance to the issue. Instead Ms. Davis film which is a collection of disadvantaged Guyanese grieving served to build the plot for her 30 minute effort.

The feedback session which followed the viewing spanned the gamut of rubbish to insightful but that is to be expected, it is a free country. We should make mention of Ricky Singh’s contribution when he passionately asked government to reverse its current policy on immigration. Ricky seems to know more than the average Barbadian because the promised White Paper on a new immigration policy is yet to be made available for public consumption. BU took umbrage to the tone of his presentation which expressed discuss at how Barbadians and the region have been slow to adopt CSME. He also had some lashes for the media of which he is a part. Whether he likes it or not, the concerns of Barbadians are being echoed all around the Caribbean. Again the concerns of Barbadians were represented two weeks ago by the action of our Caribbean Heads to delay the roll-out of CSME until 2012 because of the very same issue for which we have concerns, movement of people.

Lastly we wish to remind Peter Wickham of the days leading up to the last general election when the Nation newspaper frustrated his effort to publish articles, the blogs assisted him in the cause. Now we have seen him betray us by agreeing with Norman Faria that the blogs need to be censored. Although he did not actually say it he did not offer a denial when Faria made the comment by co-opting his support. We take that Mr. Wickham as acquiescence. Like your former colleague Dr. Don Blackman who lauded the discussions on the blogs prior to election as healthy but recanted soon after, both of you may realize the error of your ways. To reinforce the point we had an email sent to Peter Wickham recently requesting some information to which he has refused to respond, as we said this is a departure from the recent past.

The same behaviour has occurred from someone we thought was a friend of BU, Mr. Stephen Worme of the Barbados Light and Power Company. BU will remain in the wings and quietly observe because as the Bajan saying goes, God does not like ugly.


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418 responses to “Norman Faria Calls For Blogs To Be Censored While Attending Annalee Davis Rookie Attempt to Capture A Serious Topic on Film in Just 30 Minutes”


  1. If the DLP dont listen to the majority of the people I am telling you they will find themselves OWT THE blp WILL GET BACK THE COUNTRY

    WE ARE DOOMED!


  2. Here are all statements made by Negroman:

    “Barbadians from all walks of life get up rise up out of your slumber show bravery,do not be afraid join us in our marches to save Barbados from the detestable guyanese especially the wicked,racist Indo guyanese like stinkin Norma Faria.”

    “The point is the nasty,despicable,wicked racist and murderous europeans are RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFLICTS IN AFRICA TODAY.”

    “Ethnic cleansing is about to happen in Barbados. MARK NEGROMAN WORDS”

    “I MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR SAYING THAT I,NEGROMAN HATE INDIANS.”

    “The whites, the Indians,the Chinese will face the wrath of black Barbadians in a way that those people will never expect from us.”
    ******************************************
    Doesnt he think people are going to react to statements like these?
    It’s called action reaction…
    How would you feel Negroman if some KKK member told you that you are “one congressional vote away” from slavery; or pack yourself and your pickneys back to Africa?
    You wouldnt feel good right?
    Would you like your children to go to school and find a noose in the classroom?
    So why then do you feel it’s right to come on here and make those offensive statements? Then when you are tested you cant handle it.
    Take the high road of Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela.
    You cant fight hate with hate…


  3. Yardbroom // July 18, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Chris Halsall
    You surprise me, you are purposely setting hares running for no reason’ I noticed a few days ago you specifically targeted Negro Man, and then you followed that up with an attempt to divert the thread.

    I welcome your advise to fellow bloggers, but to suppose the US is interested in bloggers discussing illegal immigration to Barbados is stretching it a bit.

    Thanks all the same, I take the advise with the same worth as that behind the advise.
    Many Thanks
    Yardbroom
    =================================
    Yardbroom I prefer to treat to Chris Hasell as doing somebody else work. Now remember how he came in here and BFP lamenting with a heavy heart how he might be in legal trouble for somethings he may have said. It could be that he is speaking from his personal situation or as the result of it. i.e. he must take these silly positions on orders to avoid a law suite. poor fellow.


  4. Barbados is in serious trouble!

    Seven years ago, many foreigners entered this country unchecked and in that short time they have impacted negatively on this society. We are now starting to feel the pinch of these people!

    I will repeat when the labouers were crying out no one listened everyone claimed that they were lazy (especially ‘my’ prime minister OA). Furthermore these labourers decided that they no longer wanted to be labouers so on their labouer permits they decided they would be artisans; hence the artisans cried out no one listened! (No NIS being paid)

    Persons claimed that these were building strong buildings that had to be fixed the next 3 months.

    Now have the reached the middle classes such as ‘Jewel Forde’ and now EVERYBODY realise what was happening!

    These people were never managed properly in the first place! Never!

    Owne you have left a legacy of CORRUPTION in the highest degree!


  5. Please ignore Reganomics everyone. He wants us to fall for this but we know we wont!


  6. Chris Halsall said:

    @Jay…

    I am *not* talking about ISP server logs. I’m talking about NSA’s logs (or, more accurately, datasets)…

    How often do you, or anyone who posts here, enter the US? I personally avoid going there whenever possible, because every time I do I get *extensively* searched. (I had one case where two searched my bags, while a third held their gun…)

    (No body-cavity searches yet, thank goodness, but I’m fearful… 9-)
    ———————————

    When you’re a legal citizen or resident of the U.S. they don’t usually search you like that but if you’re new to the country or travel frequently here they will take it to a whole new level,as long as your paper work is in order & you have the funds to support yourself they’ll just do the “usual” security checks[like checking your bag & asking questions].It is actually nominal for Customs & Border Patrol to search everyone.Those that live in the US just accept security as an everyday part of life,like having to take off you belt and shoes at spots where you are to be scanned,like going through the airport or even in Federal buildings.I believe they’re also taking 10 Fingerprint scans now on entry for visitors at airports as well just to make sure you’re actually who you say you are.

    Anyway,The link you just posted clearly states that the program is toward terrorist activities,& since I’ve been on BU I have not read anyone on here talk about any such thing,only that they want illegal immigrants out of Barbados.If you think about it is of no interest to the U.S.,in fact there are ~11 million here in the US now,why would they care about ~40,000 in Barbados ?

    “In November 2002, the New York Times reported that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) was developing a tracking system called “Total Information Awareness” (TIA), which was intended to detect terrorists through analyzing troves of information. The system, developed under the direction of John Poindexter, then-director of DARPA’s Information Awareness Office, was envisioned to give law enforcement access to private data without suspicion of wrongdoing or a warrant.”

    The biggest problem I find on BU is really just the language but that can easily be taken care of by either deleting the post or IP banning if it becomes to much of a problem


  7. Reaganomics:
    It doesn’t have to take statements like Negroman’s to have “people” react.

    All it will take is for a lil poor black boy to walk through Highgate gardens too late, to get his face licked in while being called a nigger.

    you want to see the face of the person responsible?
    http://www.nationnews.com/temporaryimages/bp27562.jpg

    Does he look like you?

    All it will take is to be involve in a collision with some British tourist for them to react with racial charged comments.

    Stephen and Nicola Sledgeley two white expatriates who were charged under the public order act for having racially abuse three black Barbadian women in 2004.

    We know by their deeds, and comments who the real racist in Barbados are. Your emotional rant has no impact on me.

    ….However with that said Negroman we do not have to resort to your emotional comments no need. We did not riot when The Greenidge father and son beat that little boy and we all saw the pics, yet we did not.

    Ignore Reaganomics.


  8. Tonight for sure I realised the extent to which we are dealing with house niggers and damn oreos – people who black on the outside but white inside.

    After listening to that female marsha hinds and even kellman I now understand why whites in barbados are never troubled by the rantings of concerned black bajans – they know you could always get a house nigger like the deceptive marsha hinds layne to do their bidding.

    Are these – the people we are fighting so hard for to leave our heritage to?

    Are these the people we are entrusting our future and the future of our children to?

    Someone who can say one thing in a public meeting and then don’t follow through when she has a national platform?

    Do these people understand the big picture or are they only interested in their blings and tings – their middle class trappings – SUVs and Land shoes and bags?

    JC you understand now why it is so important to pay attention to what is happening in the media – all sections of it?

    If I had not listened to VOB tonight I nor you would not realise that marsha hinds layne is a dangerous fraud – who likes to pander.

    We would not realise how precarious we stand with someone who holds the position of caricom ambassador (kellman) who again engages in pandering and double – speak.

    If we didn’t monitor the media we would not realise the frightening position being taken by VOB and the Nation as it relates to selling out our birthright by silencing our full voice – of course under the guise of bradcasting regulations – which every one knows are not interpreted as strictly as they are trying to portray.

    How can someone expressing concerns about the social tensions between the racial group in barbados and citing examples in other countries constitute incitement?

    JC you and David would have gone to sleep Tuesday night reassured that in marsha hinds layne you had some one who understood and agreed with our fears and our concerns – instead what we have is someone who is striving hard to develop a public name and a public image – someone who wants to be seen and heard – and goes about it in the only way that nouveau riche blacks do it – by turning on their own.

    Man we realy got to do what Warrior told us last night – pray,pray and pray again.

    Barbados is in deep shit – and we need a leader with some cajones.


  9. Reaganomics praised Nelson Mandela. Ummm..interesting only today I saw an ad by Cow Wlliams and his people praising Mandela. I am not saying COW or his people is Reaganomics but Detective will remain on the case. Reagonomics for sure is a bigot. A mongrel who hates us blacks.


  10. We always get exactly what we deserve.

    Any country that elects an unemployed, broke, alcoholic as Prime Minister for three consecutive terms should not be surprised that he leaves a legacy that is similar to his personal life… I am sure he tried his best…but;

    It is obvious that if we open the floodgates and allow free access to all from the region, hordes of hopeless, useless migrants will come seeking (and finding) better conditions than are possible in their own failed countries.

    …it must be also obvious that they will bring with them the very characteristics that RESULTED in the failure of their own countries (all with more natural resources that Barbados)

    …and it is patently obvious that the end result will be that this country too, will fail -as we are overwhelmed by these strange cultures and we all settle for the least common denominator.

    All CSME does, is to provide a forum that makes our weak leaders feel that they should ignore the will of their own people and allow Barbados to be dragged down the the point where we are all common … – one large Guyana!

    Our problem now lie in the long delays between the promises of our new leaders and actual positive action. (as per ITAL, hardwood, etc and now the Immigration clean-up…) …too late?

    …I suppose that this is all part of the end game phase of BBE’s Project, and of the global chaos that will accompany this time; otherwise Bush tea would be surprised that we could be so foolish as a people.

    …But what surprise what?!?

    …as for Barbados – we will get exactly what we deserve… either chaos or continued relative stability.


  11. Kellman you are a disappointment!

    Marsha I saw you with my 2 eyes getting on real bad talking about ‘they are not dealing with the issues.’

    You are SHAMEFUL!

    You want an extra job dont you?

    You will sell your country out for that extra job wont you marsha?

    You are no different to the Civil Servants who sold us out by selling our ID cards and Work Permits and those who rent them houses!

    T R A I T O R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  12. Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Reaganomics:
    It doesn’t have to take statements like Negroman’s to have “people” react.

    All it will take is for a lil poor black boy to walk through Highgate gardens too late, to get his face licked in while being called a nigger by “people”

    All it will take is to be involve in a collision with some British tourist for them to react with racial charged comments.

    Stephen and Nicola Sledgeley two white expatriates (“people”) who were charged under the public order act for having racially abuse three black Barbadian women in 2004.

    We know by their deeds, and comments who the real racist in Barbados are. Your emotional rant has no impact on me.

    ….However with that said Negroman we do not have to resort to emotional comments, no need. We did not riot when The Greenidge father and son bigots incorporated beat that little boy and we all saw the pics, yet we did not.

    Ignore Reaganomics and his “people”


  13. But JC sometimes i listen to VOB replay of the Friday evening talk program and the girl on although have one of those silly double names it is not Hinds lane it is “Monroe-knight”. The way she says it makes me laugh. Now she is clearly pro immigration and anti borders.

    Whats up with the double last names? are these women part-time feminist or something?


  14. Bush tea said:

    …and it is patently obvious that the end result will be that this country too, will fail -as we are overwhelmed by these strange cultures and we all settle for the least common denominator.

    All CSME does, is to provide a forum that makes our weak leaders feel that they should ignore the will of their own people and allow Barbados to be dragged down the the point where we are all common … – one large Guyana!
    —————————-

    LOL ! With that large Guyana,comes its benefits as well.

    Here in the US,some people I know who are Citizens of both Barbados & the US would rather travel abroad on their Barbados passports due to the relatively low popularity of the U.S. in the world right now.Barbados has a good visa free status in the world to many destinations,but should those destinations see an illegal immigration problem they’ll likely take Barbados off their visa exempt list should the country offer an Amnesty or Regularization program.

    This is the main reason why the United Kingdom has threatened Trinidad & Tobago with taking them off the visa exempt list.

    http://www.caribbeanworldnews.com/middle_top_news_detail.php?mid=1096

    “But the British authorities say they are worried that the less scrupulous elements of the Caribbean Community – Guyana and Jamaica for example -were using Trinidad and Trinidadian citizenship to gain back door entry to Britain. They feel this poses extra threats with regard to drug trafficking, illegal immigration and terrorism.

    The eleven countries have been given six months to ’significantly reduce the risk they pose to the UK or face the visa imposition in early 2009. – By John Mair/CWN London.”


  15. Jay i travel everywhere on my US passport. I do not use my Barbados one for anything.

    But i join you in your view of the British government opinions on Guyana. It is similar to that of the US government, why must the Barbados government be different?


  16. Adrian

    They are all wannabes Adrian – that chantal munroe knight and marsha hinds layne.

    You should hear how they sometimes talk down to callers – and that marsha layne with that irritating affected tone.

    All wannabes the whole lot of them.

    Right now we are living in the land of the blind,so you done know the one eye man is king.

    I really hope VOB never get a T.V. station,because right now they are wasting their radio license.


  17. Your guest is as good as mine all I can say is that Marsha is mad!

    At UWI she makes every body laugh because she is MAD!

    And there I was Tuesday night feeling real proud when she told the lady that the word potais is an insult linguistically.

    I was feeling so proud but now the that she is at her 2nd job she dont care who else children eat once hers eat! Shame on you Marsha, anyhow I should have expected it since you are MAD!


  18. JC

    Maybe she is bi – polar and Tuesday night she was on a high.


  19. “Maybe she is bi – polar and Tuesday night she was on a high.”

    Well well well boy it seems as if you bloggers got some growing up to do. Silly folk here cussing one set of politicians and trusting the next set. The indo-guyanese u hate so much r here to stay and no politician has the guts to do anything about it. Your beloved politicians have made deals with those who control construction, agriculture and all the productive sectors. U really think they r goin 2 send the guyanese packing and collapse the construction and agricultural sectors. Think again. U’ve been sold out since 1966. They tell u what u want to hear n make deals in the sly with who really rule bdos. Welcome to black governors and white rulers. That’s the deal.
    LIKE IT OR LUMP IT or do as negroman said he’d do – pack your tattered valises and return to africa just like u packed and went to guyana or london. Hypocrites!


  20. 60000 bajans went to Panama when life was harder on your little paradise island and did exactly what you are hating guyanese for; they worked and sent money back to barbados to improve their families. YOU IDIOTS.


  21. Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 12:49 am

    60000 bajans went to Panama when life was harder on your little paradise island and did exactly what you are hating guyanese for; they worked and sent money back to barbados to improve their families. YOU IDIOTS.
    ===========================================================

    Where they concidered illegal immigrants? wasn’t there an orderly migration process? No comparison there.


  22. r’nt u movin 2wards 1 c’bean? how r u gonna have a unified region w/ dis kinda attitude? Dis is the harsh reality of any integration movement and dis is what Ms. Davis was tryin to portray in her documentary. The paradox is that be4 we were independent nations there was freedom of movement n bajans went all over the region; now in a post-independence era there is this petty nationalism, isolationism, xenophobia and pure racism. Human beings will always move all over the planet; it a natural thing. States, boundaries, visas and passports are all man-made. People will move where there food to eat. Get used to it. What illegal immigrants what? We’re all Caribbean people.


  23. Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 12:45 am
    They tell u what u want to hear n make deals in the sly with who really rule bdos. Welcome to black governors and white rulers. That’s the deal.
    ================================
    very true. I don’t understand why this is so. They are some very ignorant white people in Barbados, and to be considered white in Barbados doesn’t necessarily translate to being white in some larger countries.

    See Link


  24. “very true. I don’t understand why this is so. They are some very ignorant white people in Barbados, and to be considered white in Barbados doesn’t necessarily translate to being white in some larger countries.”

    Becuz u buffoons allow fake whites 2 rule u. U fear dem. they ruled u for 400 yrs n still rulin n u cussin guyanese indians. Buffoons.


  25. Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:20 am

    r’nt u movin 2wards 1 c’bean? how r u gonna have a unified region w/ dis kinda attitude? Dis is the harsh reality of any integration movement and dis is what Ms. Davis was tryin to portray in her documentary. The paradox is that be4 we were independent nations there was freedom of movement n bajans went all over the region; now in a post-independence era there is this petty nationalism, isolationism, xenophobia and pure racism. Human beings will always move all over the planet; it a natural thing. States, boundaries, visas and passports are all man-made. People will move where there food to eat. Get used to it. What illegal immigrants what? We’re all Caribbean people
    =================================
    Is Martinique and Guadaloupe in the Caribbean? what about Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic, Haiti, St Martin, etc? are they in the caribbean or not? You are fooling yourself if you think that they will ever be a united caribbean. Plus Guyana is a South American country.

    How many White Barbadians left Barbados for Australia and New Zealand when Barrow became the Leader? Why is ok for Whites to distrust Blacks and Blacks cannot resent being dislike by Indo Guyanese?


  26. Perhaps Reaganomics has taken us away from the moorings of this blog deliberately or otherwise but let us as intelligent people bring it back. Immigration has been happening for years, no Bajan is against immigration of some kind.

    The discussion Barbadians are having is happening all over the world. On a monthly basis Trinidad refuse entry to Guyanese and others from its borders.

    The elected MPs on both sides have agreed that we need to have managed immigration policy. Barbados does not have the infrastructure to allow people to entire without regulation. Even in the developed countries migrant labour is allowed in on the basis of matching the needs of the country to lead to development.

    Already the Ministry of Education is concerned at overcrowding in the primary schools. We have many primary schools where the average number is pushing well pass 30. The Polyclinics are also under pressure because many of the low skill immigrants don’t visit private doctors.

    Now that we have set the background those people in our society who have remained married to the concept of integration at the expense of what is good for Barbados should be ashame of themselves. Many of our people have failed education that we hype so much.

    Finally to Marsha Hinds. We grieved for her this evening when we listened to how she sacrificed her position to toe the line, all because of the opportunity to be on national radio. The honourable thing to do is to tell VOB keep their damn job Marsha. Is it worth it? Maybe you can make more of a contribution just as a regular caller.


  27. The documentary is dealin with csme. the countries u mentioned r not part of that movement. in any integration movement there is always some sort of affirmative action – the strong helps the weak until there’s general equilibrium. so over time there will be a labor shortage in guyana and salaries will go up there becuz of excess supply over demand and it will becum attractive to persons from the region. that’s general equilibrium theory. these are early days yet in the dislocation of the integration movement. either u want it or u dont but movement of people comes with it.
    and for all intents n purposes, guyana always aligned with the english-speaking c’bean for historical and cultural reasons…u know that. stop playing silly!


  28. @ Reaganomics

    Why do you think Jamaica and Bahamas are so luckwarm towards CSME? It is our view that it has to do in large part with the Haiti situation. These countries are scared about what will happen if they dive in. Let us deal with the implementation of the concept and forget the high level nebulous positions.


  29. “Finally to Marsha Hinds. We grieved for her this evening when we listened to how she sacrificed her position to toe the line, all because of the opportunity to be on national radio. The honourable thing to do is to tell VOB keep their damn job Marsha. Is it worth it? Maybe you can make more of a contribution just as a regular caller.”

    R u takin dis position becuz she did the responsible thing n did not rile up people over national radio. She was in a smaller more intimate forum on tuesday. Of course she has to toe the line. Which responsible journalists does not do that. There are guidelines and she followed them. R u willin to pay her to be a regular contributor to BU?
    The media understands that they’re now global and that what they say and do on air or in the press can affect the tourist industry. u tink people stupid?


  30. bdos should abandoned everything that caricom stands for; if that’s ur silly position.


  31. Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:29 am

    “very true. I don’t understand why this is so. They are some very ignorant white people in Barbados, and to be considered white in Barbados doesn’t necessarily translate to being white in some larger countries.”

    Becuz u buffoons allow fake whites 2 rule u. U fear dem. they ruled u for 400 yrs n still rulin n u cussin guyanese indians. Buffoons.
    =================================

    ha ha ha ha ha This is an issue that Barbadians will have to address and a few have started to defend themselves when “pushed”

    but the vast majority to my mind are still waiting hoping, sitting on the fence.

    http://www.barbadosforum.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=5809&view=findpost&p=57095


  32. @Reaganomics

    Why are our politicians having the same argument in our parliament? Is this not a national forum? Why almost on a daily basis we can tune into Lou Dobbs on CNN and here him expressing concerns at the Mexicans crossing the US border?

    One can be responsible of course but this does not mean that we go to the other extreme. There is a reason why Barbados has remain stable over the years and let us not forget it. How can our government and other stakeholder entities go against the will of the PEOPLE?

    Barbadians are concerned like most countries around the world of unregulated migration. Mobility of labour as a concept is noble but good execution is required to ensure the SOUL and WILL of the host population is not defeated Sire.

    Finally and you may understand this better than most: Do you remember when IBCs and Captive insurance companies were thriving in Barbados in the 80s and 90s? Now that the OECS and developed world has decided to regulate capital outflows from their countries what has happened? We have seen the proposed change in the double taxation treaty for Canada and more and more Barbados and other offshore domiciles will see a reduction in this business from the traditional sources. the point we are making is why when the developed countries take measures to protect themselves it is OK but small islands like Barbados we are xenophobic?


  33. Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:52 am

    bdos should abandoned everything that caricom stands for; if that’s ur silly position.
    =================================

    What does Caricom stand for? for real? what was Ralph Gonzales of St. Vincent carrying on about Caricom? who said it is just a talk shop? are they wrong? Caricom stands for nothing. How many have signed on to the CCJ?


  34. What does Caricom stand for? for real? what was Ralph Gonzales of St. Vincent carrying on about Caricom? who said it is just a talk shop? are they wrong? Caricom stands for nothing. How many have signed on to the CCJ?

    This is to Reaganomics et: This debate as we said is going on all over the Caribbean at the moment. Read this report written my staff of the Miami herald. This is real people and the argument is not about Barbados alone. The whole region is grappling with this issue. Let us back-off the rhetoric and pursue the issue in a dispassionate way.

    Anti-immigrant sentiments threaten Caribbean Community economic plan
    With anti-immigrant sentiments running high, the 15-member Caribbean Community, or CARICOM, may postpone implementation of a single economy.

    Posted on Sat, Jul. 12, 2008
    reprint print email
    Yahoo! Buzz Facebook Digg del.icio.us AIM
    By JACQUELINE CHARLES
    jcharles@MiamiHerald.com
    Jamaican nationals who live in Antigua listen to Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer. Spencer, the incoming chairman of CARICOM, said 35 percent of his nation’s work force are non-Antiguan nationals.
    ANTIGUA SUN PHOTO
    Jamaican nationals who live in Antigua listen to Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer. Spencer, the incoming chairman of CARICOM, said 35 percent of his nation’s work force are non-Antiguan nationals.

    * audio Audio | Ralph Gonsalves, prime minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, discusses the plan

    ST. JOHN’S, Antigua —
    Callers to the Observer Radio program waste little time letting their hostilities loose.

    They complain bitterly about what they see as a spike in crime caused by Guyanese and Jamaicans. They blast ”foreigners” flooding their schools and hospitals.

    In Antigua and other places in the English-speaking Caribbean, anti-immigrant hostilities are rising rapidly as leaders move closer to a 2015 deadline that would allow complete movement of certain people from one island to another.

    Caribbean nationals worry that the plan would reduce education, healthcare and other benefits in wealthier islands. There are also concerns that it would reduce jobs and raise housing prices throughout the region.

    ”It just hurts my heart,” one perturbed caller said on Observer Radio.

    Now, after decades of pushing for total integration and free access throughout the dozens of Caribbean islands, leaders are facing a pressing dilemma while trying to create a single regional economy built around the free movement of skills, labor, goods and services.

    Leaders from the 15-member Caribbean Community — CARICOM, for short — recently admitted that they may not be able to meet the 2015 deadline for establishing a single economy in the region — similar to the European Union.

    For example, leaders made an agreement last year to grant an automatic six-month stay to nationals entering a member country — provided there are no security concerns. But only a handful of countries have bothered to comply with their own rule.

    Such lack of action has critics questioning the Caribbean leaders’ commitment to full integration.

    ”Given the combative nature of Caribbean politics, regional decisions often become hostage to domestic politics,” said Anthony Bryan of Miami, a senior associate with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.

    “There is no super national authority with enforcement power or power to implement decisions, so CARICOM’s decisions are impotent, not implemented or are soon forgotten.”

    There is much fear of the unknown, which has bred discrimination and humiliation as some nationals try to visit other countries in the region.

    Discussions for a unified Caribbean region began in the 1950s, with the hope that, among other things, such a plan would stem the alarming exodus of educated workers to industrialized nations like the United States.

    According to a 2005 World Bank study, more than 80 percent of college-educated workers from Guyana, Jamaica and Haiti emigrate elsewhere to seek a better life.

    STRONG CRITIC

    President Bharrat Jagdeo of Guyana has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of the intolerance and embarrassment some nationals face when visiting other countries.

    ”For you to have a single economy, free movement of people is essential,” Jagdeo said.

    Earlier this year, Guyana requested an investigation after immigration officers in oil-rich Trinidad and Tobago refused to allow 15 Guyanese to enter the twin-island nation.

    In Barbados, female immigration officials have been accused of turning back attractive Guyanese women out of concern that they will lure away the men on the island.

    And in the Bahamas, where tensions against Haitian migrants have constantly run high, government officials decided against joining the free-movement arrangement, citing a concern that Haitians will flood the archipelago seeking to improve their lives.

    ”One of the most tragic truths is that we treat foreigners better than we treat our own people,” Jagdeo said, referring to the hospitality shown to non-Caribbean visitors.

    TAKES TIME

    But some leaders say it takes time for new laws to catch on and old fears to die out.

    ”When you pass laws and you make decisions, it takes a little while,” said Ralph Gonsalves, prime minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

    ”All countries experience the problem,” Gonsalves said.

    But some countries — notably Guyana and Jamaica, because they are among the poorest in the region — are having the most trouble.

    ”Let us be honest and call a spade a spade,” Gonsalves said. “In a number of countries, people are not so much worried about Vicentians, Dominicans or Antiguans. In part, there are not so many of us.”

    To help get around immigration officers, leaders have agreed to issue a CARICOM Travel Card called CARIPASS, which they say will provide hassle-free travel.

    ”You don’t have to go to any immigration officer, so you don’t meet any prejudices from any immigration officer,” Gonsalves said. “You swipe your card and you go in for your period of time.”

    The cards, which would be valid for up to three years, would require prior security clearance and cost about $100.

    But while the immigration card is a good start, critics say leaders have sent contradictory messages as they talk of the need to keep skilled individuals in the region.

    To succeed with regional integration, Caribbean leaders must overhaul the way they do business, said Bryan, who was born in Trinidad.

    Leaders say they are committed to the integration but need more time to prepare.

    ”As developed as Barbados is, we do not have the capacity to implement freedom of movement fully at this stage,” Barbados Prime Minister David Thompson said. “Nor do we have the capacity to absorb everybody who wants to come to Barbados and offer them the standard of living that Barbadians enjoy.”

    Critics say such excuses are just a way for leaders to maintain control over whom they allow into the country — and to win elections.

    POLITICS FIRST

    ”There is a cockfight every five years, and politicians go out,” said George Lamming, a noted Caribbean novelist and intellectual, referring to the election cycle.

    “The raison d’tre of being in politics is not the organization of social relations. The raison d’tre is to win that election at all costs.”

    Lamming, a visiting professor at Brown University in Rhode Island, holds little hope that a solution will be found soon. It’s a job for the next generation to solve, he said.

    ”The concept of Caribbean as a specific and unique cultural identity has to be planted as a lesson, one with children learning their alphabet, with the toys they use and with the games they play,” he said.

    “It is that form of absolute indoctrination which we need in order to produce, in another 20 or 30 years, the kind of Caribbean people we are.”


  35. Hear what. run a national campaign to round up all illegal migrant and put them out. run a campaign so that immigration goes door to door and seek them out. bdos is small enuf 2 do it. Try it!

    You are not listening to the arguments, take a deep breath and lets do this properly. Let us have a conversation. There is a concern not only by Barbadians by by host populations in a global economy that immigration must be managed. That is all Barbadians are saying. Please don’t push the argument where it will promote fear. We are not stupid dont insult us Sire!

    David


  36. At least Lamming got sense!


  37. It seems that u already started. only a few wks ago u rounded up a few busloads in queen’s park and sent them out the country. good 4 u. way to go. pack them up and send them out.
    Remember you allow your negroman to say what he please unedited:
    “Barbadians from all walks of life get up rise up out of your slumber show bravery,do not be afraid join us in our marches to save Barbados from the detestable guyanese especially the wicked,racist Indo guyanese like stinkin Norma Faria.”

    “The point is the nasty,despicable,wicked racist and murderous europeans are RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFLICTS IN AFRICA TODAY.”

    “Ethnic cleansing is about to happen in Barbados. MARK NEGROMAN WORDS”

    “I MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR SAYING THAT I,NEGROMAN HATE INDIANS.”

    “The whites, the Indians,the Chinese will face the wrath of black Barbadians in a way that those people will never expect from us.”
    ******************************************


  38. Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 2:12 am

    At least Lamming got sense!
    ===============================
    Indeed he does, he also said, he does not think caribbean integration can be rescued by the political directorate, because the discourse in the regional movement is a discourse that takes place between politicians in office and technocrats who advise them. It is a discourse that completely eliminates the general public.

    http://www.cbc.bb/index.pl/article?id=1722633

    wunnuh will have to talk to us and not down at us.


  39. @Reagonomics

    We have not edited anyone up to now. We are aware of the sabotage which is being tried by a few. We are aware of the change in IPs. We are aware in the change in user names and the list continues. When in our judgement a comment or blog loses value we will do what we have done in the past. We are not afraid to discuss and fight for something we believe in.

    You used a quote from Negroman which is unfortunate whether deliberate or other wise you are attempting to stoke a fire. We have allowed the conversation to run so that through discussion we might educate each other. We were pleased today to read this statement from Negroman:

    Negroman // July 18, 2008 at 5:30 pm (edit)

    Chris Halsall thanks for the information.I agreed with you that the postings to this blog has fallen to a low.I will admit that I could share some of the blame.
    This issue I am very passionate about and sometimes I allowed my emotions to get the better part of me.I know that the internet is not fool proof and information could be gather to determine where emails are coming from.Nevertheless,I remain committed to my views on this issue and no threat of investigation will deter me.
    This immigration matter must be dealt with in a manner that will satisfy us Barbadians.
    Fellow bloggers I am asking please ignore stupid Reaganomics.He is trying to derail us.Put him on permanent ignore.


  40. so why is it ok for you to be disparaging towards us and it’s alarming for Negroman to make similar comments? would you wish for Negroman to be censored? in fairness shouldn’t you also?


  41. David could Reaganomics be Norman Faria? nah. My god what an angry person!

    No Adrian it is not, let us focus on his arguments and hopefully we can all learn from the exercise.

    David


  42. I was at the documentary presentation. were u there? That’s what this thread is supposed 2 b about? Ms Davis who is an accomplished barbadian visual artist and lecturer at community college made a valiant attempt to try to get people to address the migration issue with love and look at the paradox. the paradox that there was free movement of people when we were all colonies and now we have put up our own barriers. the paradox that the colonizers themselves have pulled their own barriers down. that’s what the 30 min documentary portrayed. it was never intentioned to give answers.


  43. It seems to me from your opinions of the documentary was an exercise in social contruction. One there is no true migration taking place in the English caribbean. There in fact a lot of crowding in some areas and barriers in many others, and love has little to do with the reasons persons are moving. The two most migrant caribbean citizens are not the most tolerant of others when in their home space and do not get along well with the citizens in their adopted countries.

    I am hearten though that there is unity across political party affiliation in Barbados on this issue.

    …and another thing visual art and the TV medium can never tell an accurate story.


  44. Through out History, our suffering has always been prolonged by those of us who for social, financial and other reasons sought not to be one of “us” or see the justice of our cause.

    It is a burden we have to bear with equanimity.

    Those who advance their positions in society, through bribes and other corrupt practices, find some of us who are self-centred, selfish and easy to corrupt.

    This debate is about how a small nation governed by the desendants of slaves; who have been elected in the majority case, by the desendants of slaves, manages to have and maintain a non-violent society.

    A society where black people are confident in their “skins” and respected; not only the rich and privileged but the…majority of black Bajans.

    A society where we look to ourselves by example, of the way we live, interact with others, treat our women and bring up our children, to define who we are.

    A society where there is a welcome for whites, blacks, or Indians through a fair and transparent legal immigration process. However, a society which is wise enough to learn from the history of our people.

    Remember a crowd with a just cause, marching towards a church to explain their cause, can lose their seen justification of that cause, by “one person” from that crowd throwing a stone at a stained glass window. Anger should never allow irresponsible words or activities, in order to make a justifiable case.

    Some have come among us, to tell us in an ordered society what to do.

    They are sparing in their thoughts and lectures of wisdom to their country who need it most, or perhaps their countrymen do not listen, or ignore them…perhaps we should.

    When they say wicked words like “NAZIS” just smile, and ask them two simple questions.

    (1) Has there ever been a country with a majority Indian population which has facilitated or encouraged a large significant number of blacks of African descent for permanent residence. You can think of Eurpean, Jewish, Black countries who have done so, but never Indians. I ask why?

    (2) History records the journey of the models of Trinidad, Guyana, Fiji who had majority black populations and later a significant influx of Indians the later upheaval and discord is recorded…I need to say no more.

    One does not have anything against Indians, but is is a “fact” that when large numbers settle in a country with a idigenous majority of blacks there is “ALWAYS TROUBLE” in the long term.
    It is therefore imperative that illegal immigrants should be controlled so that those who are legal can live in a well ordered society; a society not prone to civil unrest as in other countries.

    Ps: There will be “charm offensives” soon – after the racist chants – by certain groups the psychology mind games will begin, just smile and be concious of them; but let the “FACTS” and honesty speak for themselves.


  45. My god, Yardbroom, u can write doah nuh!!!!

    Lord!! 🙂


  46. Faria says he was born in St.Jude’s Village St George in Barbados and that he holds both Barbados and Guyanese citizenships. He has VOB locked down judging rom yesterday’s appearance on Tell It Like it is with that pathetic moderator Hinds-Layne. These liberals are killing this country and they’re all on VOB including Peter Wickham. What is norman’s email address, anyone knows?


  47. There are many persons amongst us like Marsha; I do not like the idea that in the morning you said one thing and then the next night something different. She reminds me of a politician.

    DANGEROUS!

    That is why many people do not vote, because politicians think people are stupid.

    One of the issues which was dealt with during the campaign of the DLP was this immigration issue (as well as ITAL) I have yet to see any of the two being established.

    We are in serious trouble, if we do not manage this problem. The illegal immigrants have a foot in the cuntry and are fighting tooth and nail to get in the rest of their body.

    The first thing to be done is to find out how many persons are in Barbados illegally and work from there!


  48. Goodness gracious. BU/David you should be ashamed. Does a person’s ethnicity indicate what kind of behaviour they will exhibit?

    Yardbroom, I have to say that although your motivation in creating a state of good is correct in concept, I must reprimand you.

    Where there is crime and racism, if it is illegal or foreign, eliminate it. You would think that some is not local? Read above?

    Just last year we were looking at the rape of our treasury but now we have forgotten? Was that legal?

    BU, blog of fascist vs fascist: Take a look within and see where evil lies.


  49. fascists that is why we the people got rid of the rapist! Have Guayana, Fiji, Trinidad and Suriname proved us wrong as yet! What is wrong with proper migration policies.

    I have said and will keep on saying, anything that is going on in ones country that is not going to be beneficial to us as a nation persons should speak out!


  50. I am concerned that many of you have chosen to engage reganomics/peltdownman in his deliberate attempt to stir up anger by insulting with derrogatory remarks,to distract and to generally not produce a rationale,step by step argument for his position.

    Like you adrian I am now begininning to wonder if peltdownman is – if not Faria (which I don’t believe) – then an indian guyanese or a bajan born indian from the sub continent who has lived in barbados for a long time.

    The reason because his comments always refer to you bajans,you black people – and generally he seems to have no connection,no ties no love for this country – hence his extreme ridiculous position which cares little if the end result of this immigration flood is a complete destruction of our high standard of living and our way of life which was the attraction to so many in the first place.

    How has this argument been helped or advanced in any way by your engaging him – all it did was take up a lot of space,highlighted his irrational position and does not answer the questions yardbroom,adrian,david or even I have asked.

    One of the most striking thing about persons of indian descent who have migrated to other countries is : THAT THEY HAVE NO LOVE OF THEIR ADOPTED COUNTRY.

    This was quite evident in Uganda when Idi Amin decided he had enough of these indians draining his country of foreign exchange as they sent almost all of their profit back to india while they scorned his country by refusing to take out ugandan passports/citizenship despite decades of living there – he had the cajones to kick them out.

    Then you have Trinidad where indians who came there around 1807 -1830s as indentured labourers – which is what – about 200 years – these indians did what the syrians,the chineese,the portugeese who all came in the 1800s after the indians never did – these trini indians went to Canada and said that they wanted refuge status in canada because they were a persecuted people in trinidad and fleeing for their lives.

    Trinidadians to this day have not gotten over the shame of this by their own – people who have financialand political wealth and power.

    The bottom line is they are like parasites feeding off the blood of the natives until the people and the state have become so weakened that there is nothing left – and then they move on.

    Have you ever noticed indians don’t join the police force in any large numbers – see guyana and trinidad ( they are now trying to change that as they see the strategic position the security forces hold in a country.

    Indians don’t engage in any nation building activity – they only try to buy and sell – why is that do you think?

    Secondly:
    I hope you who listened last night heard dennis kellman repeat that barbados had the most caricom nationals coming to barbados since the implementation of CSME – that is – 178,000 persons.

    No one knows how much of those went back.

    Kellman also stated that he felt that the population of barbados is set at around 315,000 persons – this a jump to 65,000 persons in the matter of a few short years.

    I actually believe based on information some within immigration has privately projected that about 130,000 more persons instead of 65,000 are here on top of our 260,000 residents.

    I don’t understand why anyone is listening to that corrupt man basdeo jagdeo – every one knows he is actively encouraging this – and when owen arthur was prime minister david thompson said they had entered into a secret pact.

    I suppose this is why peltdoenman/reganomics feel so frustrated now to see that now being derailed.

    I just wish some of the DLP politicains like kellman and sinckler and others would pay attention to Balwin spencer from antigua,Golding in jamaica,manning in trinidad,gonsalves in st vincent – they are not disturbed by what jagdeo or any body says – they look out for the interest of their country and kick out the guyanese the haitians -whoever once they have breached their immigration laws.

    What is stopping you mr Thompson?

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