I went to the site that is recommended by your own, containing Gary and Angela Cole’s work, and I must say that much of it contains anti-Semitism. I will not express any opinion as to Angela’s/Gary’s sanity, but I will tell you that this work contains a large number of anti-Semitic things.
Here’s a few examples:
Help the children of Iraq
“….The Conservatives lost the election because the people did not trust them. They sold the Iraqis weapon; co-conspired with the Israelis in Bull’s murder…….”
“………The Israelis claim that this lobby is their nemesis, that an intelligence report from MI5 and MI6 handed to the Belgium judge who had been investigating Dr. Bull’s murder directly implicated the inner circle of Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative defence and intelligence establishment in the murder……”
Creativity and The Babylon Gun
…………“I am become death, the shatterer of worlds.” Said Ophenhemeir, a Jew, the builder of the nuclear bomb………
What would you say is wrong with this sentence?
“……………The swapping of secrets, information and technology in the years 1968 to 1986, the early part of which Bull worked with Israel, resulted in the propaganda that Israel was the defender of democracy in the Middle East region. The promotion of Israel as a “democratic ally was so successful that even in little Barbados where the Israelis visited the HARP Project, the Prime Minister was fond of exclaiming his sympathy with the Zionist cause by professing that he was Jewish.”
Zionist cause? Hello? David, it is late. I can go through this site and probably find hundreds of anti-Semitic things in it. Do what you think is best.
We received the above note from a member of the BU family. The person is commenting on the blog (Works of Gary & Angela Cole) which we currently have listed on our sidebar. Some of you should remember Gary Cole who submitted some fairly provocative articles (I, II, III) carried on BU during the general election period in January 2008. Before some of you ask, he has promised to continue with his submissions. To be fair to the person who has expressed the strong concern that the Works of Gary & Angela Cole blog has anti-Semitic positions, we have decided to ask members of the BU family for feedback. Do you agree with the note writer that BU should censor this blog? There is some other information which was submitted but we edited because it would identify the person who wrote the note.
Its your call, should we de-list the blog from BU’s sidebar?
I met the Coles a couple of times back in the early Nineties. Gary always seemed a very affable laid-back mild-mannered guy. Angela was charming the first time I met her. A couple of weeks later though she suddenly exploded with rage at something I’d said in relation to Amerindian culture (the target of her anger then I recall vividly: it was “lazy Black Bajans” and how they’d “ruined” Barbados).
All of which to say: I don’t doubt for a second that she’s anti-Semitic – the brief extracts you print suggest that strongly.
But I also think she’s not quite right in the head – clearly a few cutters short of a picnic hamper – and I don’t think anyone ever takes her seriously: that’s assuming anyone ever reads her/their blog at all.
So I’d say don’t bother to de-list them. They’re just not important enough.
Incidentally, I vaguely remember reading a couple of Gary’s posts to BU (in his own name) during the election campaign. It struck me that his opinions seemed much less crazed than the stuff that comes out under the Yotanka pen-name – but also much less well written (sorry Gary!).
So I’m wondering if the anti-Semitic anti-Black stuff is his mother’s rather than his work. I hope so…
Please use the correct term anti-zionist Anti semitic refereds not just to jews but all semetic people ethiopians, arabs turks etc.
By definition it is impossible to term Israel and being anti-Israel anti-semitic…The israli government is racist its like saying buy being anti aparteid i am being racists to whites. Israel is a dangerous state playing with a powder kek…Every western politicain knows….so as for my writing…joke
By the way David you made very anti-black statements about hair style, and when i think of it have any of you ever really talked to a Mossad and really know what it means to be jewish…or do you even know what it means to have a partner working for the CIA or Mossad…thats why you would call my mother mad. It this anti woman chavanistic anti gay anti black ranting and flaming on this site and it is juvenille and could you please stike to the facts any properly researched book into the CIA deals with allthese issues say Vannu, or Pollard, or Philby…byut you guys are on this trip without proper knowledge…thats all i am saying..And the comments about hairstle i found racist and offensive…put a vote to it…I wear plaits and pony tail as part of my amerindian heritage (that where you are being anti-semetic – for the semite in the Americas was the indian – The first concentration camps were in America for the indians – ) my sons wear cornrow so i took offence to your ridiculous argument that plaits on a man are anti-social, bad example..how dare you.
But you dont like to talk in such terms – as for my rwriting ..like i said smizat stupid…i have written for Harold Hoyte, Robert Best, Roxanne Gibbs, Reudon Eversley, Denzil Agard…in fact every newspaper editor in barbados over the years know them personally if not casually and they have always expressed high opinion of my writting…i mean my letters and articles in various writing capacities…drivle..sorry i am about substance you see not punctuation etc you see…especially with my daughter on my side crying as she does..so ah gone.
Well David….to de-list them and still allow Bimbro to contribute to this blog would be a travesty…..I say leave them be…..who reads it anyway?
You delisted notes from the margin easily enough for nothing as far as I could tell. You struggling to make a decision now? Double standards sound familiar? Let your ‘good’ conscience be your guide. Was that helpful? LOL.
Sam Gamgee we understand that your comment may be nothing more than to engender strife. We delisted notes on the margin because he has blogs in his sidebar which are owned by someone who threatened the life of Adrian Loveridge and also who were very abusive on the BFP and BU blogs during the elections period. Please do not hide the facts.There is one thing for notes in the margin to encourage freedom of expression but at BU we also believe in standing up against what is wrong.
Tatanka your comment is riddled with inaccuracies. Can you have a reread and come again? Nothing has changed; we found the three articles submitted under the pen Gary Cole to be riveting, however we could not ignore the feedback in which you have taken anti-jewish positions. All we ask is for you to defend yourself with honour!
Anti-Israeli positions are not anti-semitic positions. It’s just that it is a common thing for anyone who criticizes Israel to be call “anti-semitic”. It’s a ploy to imply that you are racist, and should therefore be ashamed of yourself. Comments on Angela Cole above are fairly close to the mark. Everyone has a right to be heard, or read, as long as they do not cross the line into racial hatred. Criticism of Israel’s policies do not do this.
Gary
No-one here refers to your own looks or religion to be a guide to understand what you have written. Maybe you heard someone in your head say that?
But you do look and categorise others, then make those calls.
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear you say: “Marion Williams, a Christian, destroyed the Bajan economy.”
You coming on yet, son?
Sorry BU, that should read “called anti-semitic”
“The Zionist will even bury Shakespeare if he gets in their way. One of them will read about Shylock in the Merchant of Venice where the Jew makes all the money while someone else does all the work.”
“The Jews only want their bogus history told.”
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the site.
Some people seem to believe that everything said is “anti-semitic “.
Don’t forget that the Jews killed Jesus.
What a can of worms to be opened now.
Please tell Mr. Cadogan: Wasn’t Jesus Jewish?
Can I get some clarification please? The post by “Tatanka” at first seems to be the son speaking of his mother and then mid-post seems the mother speaking of her son.
In any case, when you pick your way through more spelling mistakes than a grade schooler would make, they come across as people wh have “delusions of granduer” and not much education.
I think my atittude to blogging is that it be slice of life so i make typos thats all it has nothin to do with education…i am glad you say riddled with inaccuracies…it gives me a chance to explain. My mother is 63 years old , I am forty. We are very different people. She is very traumatized that the Mossad assasinated her very good friend and scandalized his name, threatened her life, etc – i mean Gerald Bull, Carlton Brathwaithe’s, ex-boss,my mom’s partner for many years, the Carlton Brathwiate so aptly described by Julian Lenon in conversation with me (i.e John Lennons son) always now up under Richard Bransons behind. Thats just bitterness.
You know you do not know my mother. The stories the times the great things. I mean on this Mossad thing(read anti-semitism – you know the outer level of the Mossad that employs people in the media to bring up this question – they have a quota). Errol said to my mother he was calling himself Baru a jewish name. This is the time when he Kissinger and Gerald Bull and the Mossad, represented by a jewish CIA officer called Jack Frost built the longest firing gun on the Golan.
I mean there is no hiding here and in the writing of my mother…thats what people dont like…the honesty…
I and my mother would love to talk jewish history and struggle i learnt the Kabbalh at 18, so like michael Jackson also criticized for being anti-semetic smile.
It is not right what the israelis are doing in palistine…many jews agree.
So lets debate that…because reading over the quotation there is nothing anti-semetic in them that’s why i ask if the writter knew how close my mother and prime minister barrow were. The comments were about Errols opportunism that is while he was getting support from Israel, it wasnt about the jewish people…and further i am really incensed (as incensed as one can be after two ciders in the english afternoon – that attribute such base meaning to the discussion of history. You may not know it but Barbadian history is profound absolutely. It may not have the partheon or the cheops but believe you me i think that Barbados as the first stop across the atlantic must have participated in olmec culture. And you see perhaps the jews are us. But even edward brathwaite uses jewish symbolism in his poetry.
So on the jewish thing be serious and chill. PEACE
Look this is my view of the promised Land Israel or Zion…the jew and arab will live side by side go to the same schools and universites whorsip side by side in their churches and be happy democratic and free…this will happen i make no appology for being opposed to the slaughter of innocents.
Gary writes poorly; but leave the blog listing…freedom of expression and all that.
Why is it we can have freedom of speech about all cultures and the minute you speak about Jewish culture whether positive or not one is seen as anti-Semitic. Blacks were and are the real Semites.
We need the stimulation in a safe space why would we stop the Coles from having a voice in one of the few spaces where one is not penalized for voicing their issues .
the website is a bit off the top for me and it is hard to read because of the incoherent way it is writte. however, there is a difference between being anti-semite and criticising israeli policy. if anyone who criticises israel is an anti-semite then how do we explain prominent jews who criticise israel and say the zionist state doesnt represent them. or israelis themselves who openly and very blatantly criticise some of their country’s policies?
– The first concentration camps were in America for the indians –
Wrong. The term “concentration camp” was first used in reference to the enclosures built by the British during the South African Boer War (1899-1902)
Hey Gary – I don’t care which editors you say you know. Do you have links to any published articles that I can look up?
I’m judging your writing skills simply from what you submit on this blog.
It’s as if you merely type out in any old order all the thoughts milling around in your head.
In fact, you write just as I recall you speak, in a kind of rambling stream of consciousness.
Which is cool in a forum like this, I guess.
But until I see a post of yours that has even one properly-constructed, concise, coherent paragraph, I say again what all of us here can see:
You can’t write for shite! 🙂
Carson Cadogan = imbecile.
Karia – Why is it we can have freedom of speech about all cultures and the minute you speak about Jewish culture whether positive or not one is seen as anti-Semitic. Blacks were and are the real Semites.
Been reading Ikael, obviously…:)
This is a foolish post. You’ve missed the point. The objection is to making derogatory comments (explicit or implied) about Jews, not to discussing their culture…
For all of you who think Tatanka’s comments above are ok and not racist, try substituting the words “Black” or “Negro” for “Jew” and ‘Zionist”…
Obviously Gary has taken on my mantle of ‘anonymous’ as of 12.16PM, so let us simply pick this up where I left off with the two comments from the site I quoted this morning at 7.33AM and 7.35AM, according to the premise of Samizdat above:
“The black man will even bury Shakespeare if he gets in their way. One of them will read about Caleban……….”
“The Bajan whites only want their bogus history told.”
These are two quotes from Angela (with selected new inserts) designed to rivet your attention.
I don’t mind that racism exists in Barbados. You can’t change everything in the world. What I’m asking is for anti-Semitism not to be recommended by this blog.
Please refute with logic that the above examples are not racist? Thanks sincerely.
Carson C. Cadogan // March 12, 2008 at 7:42 am There is absolutely nothing wrong with the site.Some people seem to believe that everything said is “anti-semitic “. Don’t forget that the Jews killed Jesus.
Gotta love Mr. CC. But we are not talking to past racist blogs exposed and removed, we are addressing the current ones.
Gary/anonymous: “She is very traumatized that the Mossad assasinated her very good friend and scandalized his name, threatened her life..”
Is this the truth or delusional?
Even if the Mossad did away with someone who was making a gun aimed at Israel, namely the man who worked on HARP, I do not think that it would spend time on Angela. There is just no reason as she is not posing any physical danger. Please note that I am allowing for the fact that the gun may have been considered a serious threat to Israel, and for the possibility; but I’m not expressing an opinion as truth on this.
I’m really sorry Gary, really sorry to tell you/her this.
I have watched anti-Semitism in Barbados for many years, not because it is my profession as a Mossad agent (I am not), but because I am a Jew, was born that way, and this is a dangerous thing to have in a public forum. I would have preferred David not to have published it, but since he chose to do it, I have to write now.
What you are doing and writing is wrong. It’s wrong. You are free to express your personal opinions about the State of Israel, but not with lies and anti-Semitism.
Gary: “Look this is my view of the promised Land Israel or Zion…the jew and arab will live side by side go to the same schools and universites whorsip side by side in their churches and be happy democratic and free…this will happen i make no appology for being opposed to the slaughter of innocents.”
I was born a pacifist too. I believe that you (Gary) have a fundamental wish to do good. I like that, but I find the writings and glorification of the “doomsday gun” to be in opposition to this. Why don’t you just leave us Jews alone?
Re. slaughter of innocents in relation to Israel… well that is your opinion, so beit, I don’t agree. It does not justify the above quoted anti-Semitism from your site. Many people on the left wing use this tack to deligitimise Israel in today’s world, but getting into this realm will complicate the basic fact that the site contains anti- Semitism. That’s a red herring.
It seems to me that we cannot criticize anything Israeli, nor anything Jewish, even if it is the truth, and a valid criticism.
Suffice it to say, that we have a former Mossad agent living in Canada (Ottawa to be specific), who wrote a book about his life and work in Israel and why he left that country. He also disclosed the fact the Israel had nuclear bombs. Suffice it to say, the Mossad came to Canada to try to kill him and he had to be given 24 hour security by the police (RCMP). I have a copy of his book, “By Way of Deception” by Victor Ostrovksy.
Suffice it to say, that the Palestinians are Semites and the Israelis are killing them by the thousands. Two weeks ago, they went into Gaza and killed 106 then boasted that only five of their soldiers were hurt. Now, tell me, who is anti-semitic?
It seems to me also, that posters should differentiate between Jews and Zionists!
It further seems to me that certain peoples of the Jewish religion want to control people’s speech, opinions, life and in fact the world view of history.
It seems to me that they want to set the agenda for the world. It is the opinion of others that they influence the US foreign policy agenda to suit the interests of Israel.
No-one is going to tell me what to think, speak or write. As long as I do not break any hate laws, I will always give my opinion. We are all entitled to that.
In case the complainer forgets, Somalians, Ethiopians, the Tutse of Rwanda and several other tribes in Africa and the Middle East are semites, not just Jews. In fact, most of those European Jews now occupying Israel, have less semitic blood than me. The religion is passed on by the mother and most of those are there because of the Nazi edict of if one great grand parent was Jewish they are also Jewish. Their blood is so diluted from intermarrying with the Europeans many no longer carry Jewish traits, nor genes. There is a group of blacks in Southern Africa, who are practising Jews and have been for centuries. They were tested and they all carry the Cohen gene, which is the trait of the priests and was centered in North Africa (Morocco). So, many of you black Bajans may be carrying this semitic and highly regarded gene.
An interesting and valid post Pat. I agree with much of what you say.
But what you’re espousing – informed political/cultural/ethnic discussion – is not at all what ju ju man is objecting to. My guess is that he’d support you absolutely on this.
The Angela Cole comments he cites aren’t like this, as I’m sure you can see.
They’re informed only by an explicit, rancid hostility to Jews (NOT Zionists).
One thing I’ll give her props for, though. At least you know where you stand with her. Much better than the fakes and cowards who say “Zionist” when in fact they mean “Jew”.
Similarly, give me a cross-burning Klan member everytime rather than a slimy, duplicitous “some of my best friends are black” fraud.
Bill and Hillary, anyone…?
We have a response from the Coles which we will post later. Out of conflict sometimes great learnings can take place.
Looking above at ‘Pat’ I see several things to comment on, and as per my fear of the red herring idea, it has come true- the red herrng. Enumerating the now plentiful issues:
1) A man who divulged priveleged top secret info was allegedly threatened and his life in danger.
2) Anti-Semitism is not actual hatred of Jews and therefore we cannot discuss it in this context, as many Middle Eastern and African peoples are Semites.
3) Zionism is a crime, and/or some form of racism; Zionism is bad.
4) Jews control world history, control the media, control politics, want to manipulate the world. In short the proverbial conspiracy theory that many on this blog subscribe to.
5) Jews are not the original tribe of Judah because, “Their blood has been diluted by marrying European blood.” In effect, Jewsih people are not really Jews.
1) This speaks to a possible nuclear program in Israel and the possibility that Israel actually possesses as many as 400+ bombs. I saw Shimon Peres on BBC and he did not confirm whether Israel has the bombs or not.
We will never know for certain unless or until Israel is attacked by those who wish to destroy the State of Israel.
Oh, the biggest one, I did not enumerate above:
6) That Israel slaugters 106 Palestinians.
Sderot (a town north of Gaza) has suffered from thousands of rocket bombs recently. The genral public in Israel is calling strongly on the government to re-enter Gaza and to stop this. I think that the restraint and the targeted killinhgs of the militants, which recently has resulted in civilian casualties is very unfortunate.
Now there is a tentative ceasefire, brokered by Egypt. Israel was asked to stop the response first by Egypt, who asked Hamas to then stop. This has worked for about 2-3 days so far.
Considering the ability of Israel to flatten large portons of Gaza, which would result in thousands of unecessary deaths, I would have to say that the huge count of 106, of which 1/2 were ‘militants’ is still unacceptable.
But Israel is at war with an enemy who will not accept the very fact that Israel exists. What to do? People spend much time thinking about this. I wuld ask people to look towards Israeli President Peres and his Foundation for Peace.
2) Anti-Semitism cannot be hatred of Jews.
If this is a misnomer I do apologise. However, it has in recent language come to mean “hatred of Jews”.
3) Zionism is racism
Theodore Herzl is the founder of the concept of the return of the diaspora to the traditional land of Israel, where only a fraction of the entire population of World’s Jewish persons lived. The dream of having a State where we would be safe from the persecution and pograms.
Herzl said: “If only they would leave us alone! But I do not believe that they will leave us alone. Remember that, this is an important thing for all of you to internalise regarding our history, right up until recent times.
Promotion that Zionism is racism by the anti-Israel and the delegitimisation of Israel is a very big danger to Israel.
Zionism is the belief that Jewish peole require a country to live in where they will no longer be persecuted. If that is racism because Jewish people wish to protect themselves, I do apologise for this.
But Zionism is no crime.
4) Jewish people control everything
Yes, this is the ultimate conspiracy theory that drove the holocaust. Angela says (as do many others) that Israel actually collaborated with the Nazis to destroy its own peole in the Holocaust.
Conspiracy theorists are often the ultimate racists, but not always. There are a larger proportion of these on this blog than usual.
5) Jews are not the real Jews
Being Jewish is just what it is cut out to be. You are subjected to racism by those who don’t really know who or what you are. There’s no problem for anyone who wants to be Jewish not to be Jewish, but there is no drive or public relations exercise to try to change anyone’s politics to suit any religion. If anyone wants to be Jewish, just be, and good luck in the face of all the anti-Semitism. I’m here for you!
Regarding the mode of thinking that Jewish people are not the true (or only) descendants of Judah- it’s no problem. However the thinking that Jewish people of today are pariahs and should be liquidated from the land is reprehansible.
That’s a lot to deal with, and no doubt the levels of hatred and deligitimisation will fall strongly upon me.
Remember Herzl’s words though, and keep Israel alive. May G_d bless all of us.
Wait ju-ju man. Peace. all of what has been so eloquently said above is what i know and what my mother is saying. We were friends of Israel.
If you are a people and you have a country you have to be able to bear criticism of that country without question of race. Because i do not like Mugabe i do not hate Zimbabweans.
Further peace. I study and my mother studies the holocaust. It is very shocking for you i know ..but…here.. The first concentration camps were in the 1860s with the creation of the reservations in the mid West. Read Bury my heart at wounded knee.
Secondly…Listen my moms life was threatened, her house was burned, she was hounded by candadian third estate for answer, the government repossed her home, she ostracized and then told she was living with a man and was friends with a prime minister to sell arms to South Africa.etc etc.
You tell me was it right for israel to support South Africa during apartheid. They are the two racists states.Sorry. I am a barbadain, and if any race came into my country and said it was theirs and stole the land, and said the bible told them to do it, and then refuse me the right to vote, own the land, work etc. Listen i have been in Amnesty all my life, and you dont have to be anti-semetic, to feel this way. So chill i like jewish people, i live in one of the first jewish housing areas in hackney..yeah we gripe a bit that , but the point is my mother would scream about it and let people know and be in your face. She has a right to. Just listen. (listen she has her faults i know but she is my mother).
I think as a man you should give way to women…thats my belief…so believe you me you do not know me or my mother.
Thirdly, i like this post, i see what David is doing and i dont mind ju-ju really i don’t but this…About the quote about white people and the bogus plan…now that is a good point. How is that not racist.
We’ll think of Mr White like Bre Rabbit in the Southern Tales. Michael Moore book Stupid white men was an international best-seller and he is white…on television in the movies you see niggar this niggar that and in the music you got guns and dope and shooting and killing. And you say to me because my mother says the white mans plan. How many ice-t lines…you know kill a cop…
Its black culture to talk about the white oppressor.
And because my mother is amerindian especially Indian culture.These are some indian quotes. The Whiteman talks with a forked toungue. Racist. Indian culture and experience of the white man. Peace there is only happiness and the celebration of culture learning literature and the arts here.
Finally this… i think the quote i cant remember exactly, even if i wrote it, was about the ok not white, the English caulminizing of the caribs that they ate all the arawacks that lived on Barbados so that when the english Arived they claimed Barbados was uninhabited. That was the theft. and the constitution of Barbados as wild and treacherous a tale as to be told but glossened over and retold as a lie.
That was the white’s bogus story to the red man…and i think we wrote it that way because that is how indians speak.. If you are canadian you should know your indian history, not the one on tv. i mean about AIM and David Peltier and Ammie Lee, and wounded knee etc etc etc.
And further further when i read the last thing that jews are the rapigers…not in the least…you got black, you got white, you got asian etc rapigers. You are not on my radar in fact jewish people are doing it the least – no comparison to the Congo or Tibet or S Korea etc. I dont see how jews are implicated in the politics of nations. And it is something more and more people are having to say. I am a pan-africanist, naturally bolivarian, continentalist, happy to experience the diversity of culture and experience…don’t ask me to be Israeli, or barbadian, or american, or canadian, i believe in the universality of man, am naturally communist and communalist, and dont categorize me please.
As far as my mom being a little fish. that just the point.My mom always felt Carlton t and a CIA agent, Antiguan man, whose nam i forget, but this is at the time of the scandal in barbados about CIA Arms to South Africa. and listen i dont have to go on but…
In 1978 the cia bombed a planed and killed nearly 10o people, the embassy at the time i think was heavy into Angola, arms covert etc, i dont think you know BWIA was bombed by a CIA sponsored group all over the caribbean because they did business with cuba. Its got to be a slow education and i am being funny ju-ju so laugh..i dont expect you to know Barbados as i do, who counts every Barbadian historian as his friend, bar Hilary whom i knew nevertheless as a young man, but not socially.
But to continue Samidzat…is juvenille, he’s now starting out on this writting thing and i’ve been doing for more that 20 years up and down the beautifull Caribbean. So you know i cant write…cant even spell…and when is David going to get the bloody spell checker.
Peace
And yes Ju-ju they would have killed my mother in the blink of an eye and you better believe it..once you work for the company you dont every get out.RULE number 1 of agent handling you have to be prepared to send that agent to their death. It why a lot of people cant do it…did you see the new Tom Hanks film, or rendition? Good i thought, and timely when people need to be explained about the government.
Now this is really pushing it i know but i have on kid on my leg and a thousand things to do a day…and no disrespect meant but i have been an english teacher for 15 years and editor and writer even longer, Timothy Callender, Frank Collymoore, Janet layne Clarke all my teachers…so it is really insulting to say barbados best selling author endorsed by so many cant write….as for the grammar thing wait till i am lucid and i will demolish you…Have you ever read Milton, or Joyce, or Heidegger, or Neitsxhe, or Hegel or Kierkagaard, i mean when you philosophise you have to, by necessity take liberties with grammar, this is not any modern movement it is the truth. Steven Hawkings the greatest mind alive cannot make a sentence with out the aid of a sppech synthesizer i guess he is an idiot because he cant write.
I end there no more
And i see Herzl but wasnt herzel betrayed. Because i feel it was in the interest of the West to put the jews in palestine….and mind you i should have said it before the Holocaust was without parallel in History, and you have to look at Israel’s action in that context, and Herzel wrote before the holocaust…what about that period and the Balfour agreement…. i dont mind ju-ju tell me and tell me of your experience as a jew reading what i write and in conflict with how you see the world and you will see there are two sides to the coin
PEACE
I have to go that’s it for me tatanka, i am using mobile cell phone on the go so no cookie and no name but its me TATANKA the other half of Yotanka
Wait ju-ju man. Peace. all of what has been so eloquently said above is what i know and what my mother is saying. We were friends of Israel.
If you are a people and you have a country you have to be able to bear criticism of that country without question of race. Because i do not like Mugabe i do not hate Zimbabweans.
Further peace. I study and my mother studies the holocaust. It is very shocking for you i know ..but…here.. The first concentration camps were in the 1860s with the creation of the reservations in the mid West. Read Bury my heart at wounded knee.
Secondly…Listen my moms life was threatened, her house was burned, she was hounded by candadian third estate for answer, the government repossed her home, she ostracized and then told she was living with a man and was friends with a prime minister to sell arms to South Africa.etc etc.
You tell me was it right for israel to support South Africa during apartheid. They are the two racists states.Sorry. I am a barbadain, and if any race came into my country and said it was theirs and stole the land, and said the bible told them to do it, and then refuse me the right to vote, own the land, work etc. Listen i have been in Amnesty all my life, and you dont have to be anti-semetic, to feel this way. So chill i like jewish people, i live in one of the first jewish housing areas in hackney..yeah we gripe a bit that , but the point is my mother would scream about it and let people know and be in your face. She has a right to. Just listen. (listen she has her faults i know but she is my mother).
I think as a man you should give way to women…thats my belief…so believe you me you do not know me or my mother.
Thirdly, i like this post, i see what David is doing and i dont mind ju-ju really i don’t but this…About the quote about white people and the bogus plan…now that is a good point. How is that not racist.
We’ll think of Mr White like Bre Rabbit in the Southern Tales. Michael Moore book Stupid white men was an international best-seller and he is white…on television in the movies you see niggar this niggar that and in the music you got guns and dope and shooting and killing. And you say to me because my mother says the white mans plan. How many ice-t lines…you know kill a cop…
Its black culture to talk about the white oppressor.
And because my mother is amerindian especially Indian culture.These are some indian quotes. The Whiteman talks with a forked toungue. Racist. Indian culture and experience of the white man. Peace there is only happiness and the celebration of culture learning literature and the arts here.
Finally this… i think the quote i cant remember exactly, even if i wrote it, was about the ok not white, the English caulminizing of the caribs that they ate all the arawacks that lived on Barbados so that when the english Arived they claimed Barbados was uninhabited. That was the theft. and the constitution of Barbados as wild and treacherous a tale as to be told but glossened over and retold as a lie.
That was the white’s bogus story to the red man…and i think we wrote it that way because that is how indians speak.. If you are canadian you should know your indian history, not the one on tv. i mean about AIM and David Peltier and Ammie Lee, and wounded knee etc etc etc.
And further further when i read the last thing that jews are the rapigers…not in the least…you got black, you got white, you got asian etc rapigers. You are not on my radar in fact jewish people are doing it the least – no comparison to the Congo or Tibet or S Korea etc. I dont see how jews are implicated in the politics of nations. And it is something more and more people are having to say. I am a pan-africanist, naturally bolivarian, continentalist, happy to experience the diversity of culture and experience…don’t ask me to be Israeli, or barbadian, or american, or canadian, i believe in the universality of man, am naturally communist and communalist, and dont categorize me please.
As far as my mom being a little fish. that just the point.My mom always felt Carlton t and a CIA agent, Antiguan man, whose nam i forget, but this is at the time of the scandal in barbados about CIA Arms to South Africa. and listen i dont have to go on but…
In 1978 the cia bombed a planed and killed nearly 10o people, the embassy at the time i think was heavy into Angola, arms covert etc, i dont think you know BWIA was bombed by a CIA sponsored group all over the caribbean because they did business with cuba. Its got to be a slow education and i am being funny ju-ju so laugh..i dont expect you to know Barbados as i do, who counts every Barbadian historian as his friend, bar Hilary whom i knew nevertheless as a young man, but not socially.
But to continue Samidzat…is juvenille, he’s now starting out on this writting thing and i’ve been doing for more that 20 years up and down the beautifull Caribbean. So you know i cant write…cant even spell…and when is David going to get the bloody spell checker.
Peace
And yes Ju-ju they would have killed my mother in the blink of an eye and you better believe it..once you work for the company you dont every get out.RULE number 1 of agent handling you have to be prepared to send that agent to their death. It why a lot of people cant do it…did you see the new Tom Hanks film, or rendition? Good i thought, and timely when people need to be explained about the government.
Now this is really pushing it i know but i have on kid on my leg and a thousand things to do a day…and no disrespect meant but i have been an english teacher for 15 years and editor and writer even longer, Timothy Callender, Frank Collymoore, Janet layne Clarke all my teachers…so it is really insulting to say barbados best selling author endorsed by so many cant write….as for the grammar thing wait till i am lucid and i will demolish you…Have you ever read Milton, or Joyce, or Heidegger, or Neitsxhe, or Hegel or Kierkagaard, i mean when you philosophise you have to, by necessity take liberties with grammar, this is not any modern movement it is the truth. Steven Hawkings the greatest mind alive cannot make a sentence with out the aid of a sppech synthesizer i guess he is an idiot because he cant write.
I end there no more
And i see Herzl but wasnt herzel betrayed. Because i feel it was in the interest of the West to put the jews in palestine….and mid you i should have said it before the Holocaust was without parallel in History, and and you have to look at Israel’s action in that context, and Herzel wrote before the holocaust…what about that period and the Balfour agreement…. i dont mind ju-ju tell me and tell me of your experience as a jew reading what i write and in conflict with how you see the world and you will see there are two sides to the coin
PEACE
And samizad if you know me and you met me should you not say who you are to me, send an email i dont think that if fair in court the accused has a right to know the accusser, because if you have a story about me…i am sure i have a story about you…i am open book.
Wait ju-ju man. Peace. all of what has been so eloquently said above is what i know and what my mother is saying. We were friends of Israel.
If you are a people and you have a country you have to be able to bear criticism of that country without question of race. Because i do not like Mugabe i do not hate Zimbabweans.
Further peace. I study and my mother studies the holocaust. It is very shocking for you i know ..but…here.. The first concentration camps were in the 1860s with the creation of the reservations in the mid West. Read Bury my heart at wounded knee.
Secondly…Listen my moms life was threatened, her house was burned, she was hounded by candadian third estate for answer, the government repossed her home, she ostracized and then told she was living with a man and was friends with a prime minister to sell arms to South Africa.etc etc.
You tell me was it right for israel to support South Africa during apartheid. They are the two racists states.Sorry. I am a barbadain, and if any race came into my country and said it was theirs and stole the land, and said the bible told them to do it, and then refuse me the right to vote, own the land, work etc. Listen i have been in Amnesty all my life, and you dont have to be anti-semetic, to feel this way. So chill i like jewish people, i live in one of the first jewish housing areas in hackney..yeah we gripe a bit that , but the point is my mother would scream about it and let people know and be in your face. She has a right to. Just listen. (listen she has her faults i know but she is my mother).
I think as a man you should give way to women…thats my belief…so believe you me you do not know me or my mother.
Thirdly, i like this post, i see what David is doing and i dont mind ju-ju really i don’t but this…About the quote about white people and the bogus plan…now that is a good point. How is that not racist.
We’ll think of Mr White like Bre Rabbit in the Southern Tales. Michael Moore book Stupid white men was an international best-seller and he is white…on television in the movies you see niggar this niggar that and in the music you got guns and dope and shooting and killing. And you say to me because my mother says the white mans plan. How many ice-t lines…you know kill a cop…
Its black culture to talk about the white oppressor.
And because my mother is amerindian especially Indian culture.These are some indian quotes. The Whiteman talks with a forked toungue. Racist. Indian culture and experience of the white man. Peace there is only happiness and the celebration of culture learning literature and the arts here.
Finally this… i think the quote i cant remember exactly, even if i wrote it, was about the ok not white, the English caulminizing of the caribs that they ate all the arawacks that lived on Barbados so that when the english Arived they claimed Barbados was uninhabited. That was the theft. and the constitution of Barbados as wild and treacherous a tale as to be told but glossened over and retold as a lie.
That was the white’s bogus story to the red man…and i think we wrote it that way because that is how indians speak.. If you are canadian you should know your indian history, not the one on tv. i mean about AIM and David Peltier and Ammie Lee, and wounded knee etc etc etc.
And further further when i read the last thing that jews are the rapigers…not in the least…you got black, you got white, you got asian etc rapigers. You are not on my radar in fact jewish people are doing it the least – no comparison to the Congo or Tibet or S Korea etc. I dont see how jews are implicated in the politics of nations. And it is something more and more people are having to say. I am a pan-africanist, naturally bolivarian, continentalist, happy to experience the diversity of culture and experience…don’t ask me to be Israeli, or barbadian, or american, or canadian, i believe in the universality of man, am naturally communist and communalist, and dont categorize me please.
As far as my mom being a little fish. that just the point.My mom always felt Carlton t and a CIA agent, Antiguan man, whose nam i forget, but this is at the time of the scandal in barbados about CIA Arms to South Africa. and listen i dont have to go on but…
In 1978 the cia bombed a planed and killed nearly 10o people, the embassy at the time i think was heavy into Angola, arms covert etc, i dont think you know BWIA was bombed by a CIA sponsored group all over the caribbean because they did business with cuba. Its got to be a slow education and i am being funny ju-ju so laugh..i dont expect you to know Barbados as i do, who counts every Barbadian historian as his friend, bar Hilary whom i knew nevertheless as a young man, but not socially.
But to continue Samidzat…is juvenille, he’s now starting out on this writting thing and i’ve been doing for more that 20 years up and down the beautifull Caribbean. So you know i cant write…cant even spell…and when is David going to get the bloody spell checker.
Peace
And yes Ju-ju they would have killed my mother in the blink of an eye and you better believe it..once you work for the company you dont every get out.RULE number 1 of agent handling you have to be prepared to send that agent to their death. It why a lot of people cant do it…did you see the new Tom Hanks film, or rendition? Good i thought, and timely when people need to be explained about the government.
Now this is really pushing it i know but i have on kid on my leg and a thousand things to do a day…and no disrespect meant but i have been an english teacher for 15 years and editor and writer even longer, Timothy Callender, Frank Collymoore, Janet layne Clarke all my teachers…so it is really insulting to say barbados best selling author endorsed by so many cant write….as for the grammar thing wait till i am lucid and i will demolish you…Have you ever read Milton, or Joyce, or Heidegger, or Neitsxhe, or Hegel or Kierkagaard, i mean when you philosophise you have to, by necessity take liberties with grammar, this is not any modern movement it is the truth. Steven Hawkings the greatest mind alive cannot make a sentence with out the aid of a sppech synthesizer i guess he is an idiot because he cant write.
I end there no more
And i see Herzl but wasnt herzel betrayed. Because i feel it was in the interest of the West to put the jews in palestine….and mid you i should have said it before the Holocaust was without parallel in History, and and you have to look at Israel’s action in that context, and Herzel wrote before the holocaust…what about that period and the Balfour agreement…. i dont mind ju-ju tell me and tell me of your experience as a jew reading what i write and in conflict with how you see the world and you will see there are two sides to the coin
PEACE
Adn Samdizat if you know me and you met me and you accuse me dont you think you should send me an email saying who you are, i wont tell, but its not fair even in court the accused has a right to know the accusser. You cant have just nameless baseless allegations and you are a writer you should not stand for that and raise the debate…i promise in friendship i will not tell…honestly.
Sorry Gary, you just don’t listen. You were corrected above about the concentration camps. If the correction was wrong you better quote your sources.
Also you never even went into your site to check your own quotes that I showed you. You claim to be intelligent, but you aren’t using it.
That site is anti-Semitic. All you want to do is blow smoke. I don’t like that.
Take care of that child and please try not to mash it up. I hope G_d will place both your feet and Angela’s back on the ground some day. I do somehow believe you could be a good writer, and I suspect you come from a good background.
Don’t blame the Jews for the loss of your maternal house nor for the loss of your sanities. What kind of drugs have you all been on?
“the English caulminizing of the caribs”
“And further further when i read the last thing that jews are the rapigers…not in the least…you got black, you got white, you got asian etc rapigers”
Thus writes “Barbados’s best-selling author” and “an English teacher for 15 years”…
That’s hilarious.
What school is lucky enough to have you on staff, Gary?
Combermere, maybe?
To be serious (and more on topic) again for a minute….
“The first concentration camps were in the 1860s with the creation of the reservations in the mid West.”
I guess he must be loosely referring to the camps for Cherokees that were established after the Indian Removal Act of 1830.
These were detention camps, sure. But the unarguable historical fact is that the term “concentration camp” was coined by the Brits during the Boer war , as I mentioned above
(though there were also so-called “reconcentrados” established in Cuba after the 1895 rebellion.)
Horrific (and often fatal) as the conditions undoubtedly were in these places, you can’t compare them to the Nazi camps.
Why?
For the simple reason that Treblinka, Buchenwald, Auschwitz etc were specifically designed as extermination camps – as an essential part of “the Final Solution” to “the Jewish Problem”…
Just read this from Angela Cole’s website:
“The Trade Towers is the finance power block of the Jews. They run the stock market. How many Jews would normally be working there on that particular day? If half the people working there are Jews then half are supposed to be Jews, which are dead. Did all the Jews turn up that day or were they less than usual and if so how did they know to stay at home unless somebody tipped them off? Was it a Jewish high holiday? ”
Yep, no doubt about it Gary: your mother’s a Jew-hater.
I’ve skimmed the rest of the site too. There’s no question in my mind (and I really don’t mean to be rude, just honest) that she’s mentally unbalanced. She’s obsessive, delusional, paranoid – all the usual stuff we associate with the crazier kind of conspiracy theorist.
The only bit in all the rambling madness I read that made me smile was when she (or is it Gary?) quotes a certain Greek philosopher called “Pluto”.
I guess she hasn’t read Popeye yet…
As for de-listing, BU –
Well, I’m not so sure now. I’m all for freedom of speech and all that. And (as I said above) I’m sure most people won’t bother to read her, anymore than they do PDC.
On the other hand, it’s – to put it mildly – not very cool to have such vicious trash associated with your (extremely cool) site.
I mean, would you have a link to a white supremacist webite?
Ok, I done. Off to bed…
God you all are just flamers and inciters – try and be polite – manners maketh man – (i have written my books read with great satisfaction by the best minds in Barbados and the Caribbean – sold thousands – my friends are qcs, historians etc – like when Beverley Arthur called – while our phone was tapped you see to get an autography, or when Denys Williams the ex-chief justice, would call my mother to solicit her views – yes my mother is loud and cantakerous, i her son knows, her family and friends know, but that is genius – like Doestoevsky or Tolstoy really weird people whose political views you would never suscribe to but were literary genius – so stop maligning and deal with the facts – or is it really because you are racist and prejudice, and you really cant believe that in my youth between my mother living in St tropez, the Hamptons, staying at the Ritz or the George saint or in a castle in Jersey or with her friend Oliver Reed etc…you talk about punctuation on a blog….like get real….you should be thankfull that i educate you about Barbados.
I went to Harison’s college. It must mean a lot to you i suppose. Ask my teachers there about me- my cousin Thorpe was headteacher, Castagne, a man of priciple and integrity, taught me English – his father penned the national anthem of Barbados – he employed me as a teacher at the international school Codrington, when i wore my hair in locks ( he actually said to me Gary i work with alot of white people and they are not going to accept you with locks – i dont mean bongos but neat nice locks – and i cut then and i worked there no problem it was only a hairstlye – i was a bit tired of it anyway (hot), and i know things will change as i am sure(no rastafarian – a friend of mine at university (a lawyer now) decided to grow locks until Nelson mandella was free and the day he was freed the nation newspaper’s gail Alleyne (ezra daughter, a really nice girl – and i admit in all his scurilousness i like Ezra too) came to hospital where i was to interview me,then Ralph Jemmot who wrote such a nice testimonial and is an excellent history teacher, Mr Maynard, fantastic too, Ms Proverbs who gave me private lessons the first of two Yale educated people to help me develop my writing style, then we go on my collegues in the House senate, my family who head Cable and Wireless , the civil service etc …what i mean i come from the privilidge class … so when you say about this nonsense…..so please i am a person not some scandal . And i have a lot of integrity so this racism thing and that i am lying check your facts.
I repeat i understand why you are defensive, if the holocaust had happened to me i would behave worse.
And yet you talk about smoke. That’s why you cannot talk to some jewish people about Israel and i do not blame you for it but here…just as the world got together to give the jews a homeland, as a humanitarian gesture, today the world needs to sort out the arab israeli problem, so people of all walks of life have seen it fit to critize Israel and Israel like south Africa will one dy have an arab prime minister and arabs will have a right to vote and the wall will come down.
Question take the holocaust out how much different is Israel to South Africa under aparteid….i asked you to explain why during aparteid they were such good friends. Please dont ask me to provide evidence i am trying to get you up to a decent level of honesty and integrity …where are the anti-semetic quotes i have responed to them all (But i realize you are not as educated in politics as you want to appear – i have sat next to two Prime minister and learnt politics the hard way – out there among the people – but this you should know – you are no journalist and writer and please you are no expert on Israel that is obvious – and we dont just write about Israel – what about police brutality and judicial corruption in Barbados – i know you dont care – just israel the rest of the world can burn – but to quote peres on tv saying that israel has no nuclear weapons – stupid you are talking to the people who helped israel arm a nuclear capable howitzer – and our life came apart when south Africa conducted its first underground nuclear test – what do you expect peres to say – it is against the law in Israel to acknowledge their existence in public. Stupid…and i dont mean that in a bad sense …i am your teacher and you are a poor student- thats all and i know you are not a good student you are too opinionated.
“….The Conservatives lost the election because the people did not trust them. They sold the Iraqis weapon; co-conspired with the Israelis in Bull’s murder…….”
this is so well documented ask a question if you do not know – there was a court trial in the UK against matrix Church as for Bulls murder western intelligence knew he could not be trusted to keep his mouth shut and they would have killed him over the affair in barbados in 76-8 – read William Lowther – he on of the most respected Canadian journalist ( I dont know – when i tell you things you ignore and get defensive and then claim i am not reading – calm down its only a blog)
“………The Israelis claim that this lobby is their nemesis, that an intelligence report from MI5 and MI6 handed to the Belgium judge who had been investigating Dr. Bull’s murder directly implicated the inner circle of Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative defence and intelligence establishment in the murder……”
I am looking for the anti-semitism again and there is none. Mark Thatcher, Thatchers son was arrested in SA a few years ago for sponsoring a plot to overthrow an african nation – is that anti -semetic – his sister lambasted him for his irresponsibility for dragging his mothers name a third time through the sleaze. How can criticism of the Thatcher government be anti-semetic…i dont understand- and i like to add here i thought we were a family so talking about my daughter in such manner – really you have never worked for a newspaper and just hide behind anominity and drag the blog into insult…you could never do that if you put your name, but i forgive you…you just dont know
Creativity and The Babylon Gun
…………“I am become death, the shatterer of worlds.” Said Ophenhemeir, a Jew, the builder of the nuclear bomb………
Openhemer was jewish…that’s all we said..and openheimer said those words from the gita at the first Los Almos explosion…Openheimer was a great man. he should have been the first head of the IAEA, but because he said no nation should have the right to have nuclear weapons – US included – that scientists be in control of nuclear weapons the arms race began and he was villified and ostracized…the very maker of the bomb….you think Openheimer, a jew, would have wanted Israel having nuclear weapons…no its a trap and i dont think it works in israel’s advantage as it weaponizes the region – a la Iran now. Do you even know that Israeli war heads target American and Russian cities.
Come on lets have a proper discussion. I like facts not this nonsense. Talking about where i taught (please ask my thousands of students and co-workers how good a teacher i am – but i suspect you are a bit disdaneful of things barbadian – a bitter pill but the truth- because Barbadian standards of education are very good, we may not have the equipment and money but its unusual to find a crack pot teacher – as your snide nasty remarks imply – You know i stopped being a hack a long time ago and i dont use the pen as a sword but as a uniter of people – so i insult only to cajole and ask that you raise the level of your discourse and i like the post and i hope other people read it.
What would you say is wrong with this sentence?
“……………The swapping of secrets, information and technology in the years 1968 to 1986, the early part of which Bull worked with Israel, resulted in the propaganda that Israel was the defender of democracy in the Middle East region. The promotion of Israel as a “democratic ally was so successful that even in little Barbados where the Israelis visited the HARP Project, the Prime Minister was fond of exclaiming his sympathy with the Zionist cause by professing that he was Jewish.”
Now this one Israel claims that she is the only democracy in the region while Arabs cant vote or buy property or own land. Is that Anti-semetic…And repeat Errol when he was going to Israel and Bull was working on the Golan said his name was a jewish name Barru, even Peter Morgan writes it in his Biography, but Errol was only being opprotunistic and he had really no religious faith that way…do you understand that i would sleep over at the pm’s residence when i was a little kid.
(i remember anna beyerkum excuse my spelling, i mean Haloute’s, the guy that owns cheffete’s ex-wife – a beautiful lady, who 2nd husband became a para-plegic in a horrible accident, well she ran a resturant on broad street, and the local cia chief would come in and eat and fraternioze – even he in convesation to anna, who of course told my mom – was not so sure of this story as you he could only ask if it was true …because even he as station chief would not know all- i am talking about the cubana bombing…etc
That you on a blog write “Barbados bestselling author” (its an insult to Barbados and when i finish these series of contributions about Black working class issues in barbados you will see clearer that you are overstepping the line on the way of insulting, punctuation and all, there are issues that a lot of poorer people and scarred people rich and poor are glad have been written – you know if i go on to say you have obviously not read our work about the murder of Pele or the last bajan pirates – the Goddards- mind you, or about the shooting down of Bajan helicopters killing canadian tourists on board and how it was surpressed, to the murders of the Mark Stokes and Oliver Jordan, and all the disappearances and murder and torture, the syrian lebonese dope dealers etc..all you can talk about in Barbados is Israel – this is a barbadian blog…if i was to go on an israeli blog i would be more humble) as if your little comment proves anything but that you disagree that i say things about what the israeli’s are doing in palestine..and i mention 3 or 4 of your quotes, two sourses the indian reservations were called concentration camps and this was not begining with the cherokee…but with the treaties signed at fort laramie after the civil war. The indians were to be concentrated in these camps just as the tribes in black south africa…they were not death camps like buchenwald, and the holocaust was without precident…but do you know your holocaust history eg ibm computers, GM trucks, Prescott bush trading with the nazi, Ford being paid compensation for its factories bombed in germany, and why did the allies not bomb the camps.
Maybe we can educate people on the importance of the history of the holocaust and find agreement there – but you need to back down on your bullishness and take time to learn and destress.
Listen i got to go i am the househusband…yeah tough pill to swallow for a man, but i am mommy and i got to go look after my kids.
Good wishes to the whole family ju0-ju and samizad included.
Finally we get to the question…
“The Trade Towers is the finance power block of the Jews. They run the stock market. How many Jews would normally be working there on that particular day? If half the people working there are Jews then half are supposed to be Jews, which are dead. Did all the Jews turn up that day or were they less than usual and if so how did they know to stay at home unless somebody tipped them off? Was it a Jewish high holiday? ”
I believe it is possible Al Queda is run by Israel…even Al Queda in Iraq. You know Israel set up Hammas dont you. have you wathched Munich or read Avners book, for there are no sides in international terrorism they all work together. In my next post i will raise the questions if 10-11 could have been staged in order to invade Iraq, quoting all my sourses. But that is tommorrow. Its called false flag espionage and the isreali’s are the best in it.
If you mention 9-11 you better be able to talk about certaqin things…Like why invade Iraq when Al Queda was not in Iraq. These are not fact my mother does not claim to know but you mean we cant ask if Israel was involved read Mossad etc. You mean to ask if Israel benifited is anti-semetic….i know you are talking about the tone…but i repeat did the Mossad kill your friend? and you dismiss the nonsense about pluto – typo – maybe- you just dont know who are what you are talking to.
But i know the 9-11 thing is bitter so tommorrow Ju-ju and calm down, 60,000 Iraqi’s have been killed over this 9-11 thing and i dont call you an arab-hater. What is your honest opinion of the arabs…because it is a common view in the Arab world that israel used 9-11 to set the agenda….So i want to know how do you feel about arabs for i get no sympathy coming from you….60.000 to 100,000 not the holocaust no where near as bad but in the end millions are at risk..so no sympathy for the arab.
Bye tommorrow i will respond to the 911 quote keep bringing them
You’re right not to call me an Arab hater. I’m a tolerant person, but in truth there’s no point writing on this blog further. You don’t discuss yourself with a madman and get anywhere.
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Yes i must be a mad man. So ban mad sites. If thats the level of your reponse let me finish off your drivel.
I want to hear what you think of the arab – palestinian and Iraqi and Lebonese…(this last incursion, the last lebonese war, the wall, the isolation of gaza etc) Before you go know that i think you should be bannned as an anti-semitist because as you dont seem to understand the palestinians and Iraqs are more semetic than you. So i am a defender of semetic people….I dont understand you living in Canada or the US has more claim to semetic origin to the people who have lived in Palestine or the Middle East for thousands of years….(all i point out to you is that Israel is a colonial project) could you please define semite…they are not just jews but arab as well…lebonese as well algerian as well ethiopian as well egyptian …how have i insulted these people by being critical of Israel….I cant believe in this day of age with Michael Moore destroying the vestiges of this Iraq nonsense…Obama one of only 8 senators to vote against the war (Edward Kennedy being among them) and the USA going anti-war how you can see anti-semetism…this is anti-war…and further Please Read Sartre’s Anti-semite and Jew where he lays to bed the arguement the semite is the construct of the anti-semite and jews have been persecuted by European society for hundreds of years, (not by the arab his brother) and it served to narrow the definition of semite to jew in europe falsely…thats Jean Paul Sartre 40 years ago not me, but the semites are the arab and jew together and the crusades like the one we are seeing now with all the talk of clash of world civilizations nonsense of samuel huntington and the neo conservatives is thoroughly anti-semetic and i think right thinking jews by their thousands are going to vote democrat because they want peace…(in fact bush struck alot of wealthy jews who are normally democrat off the Florida register – check Plast) and didnt a jewish fundamentalist kill your prime minister, do not the jewish fundamentalist call sharon (i cannot imagine a greater hater of arabs) anti-semite for pulling out of gaza and the current prime minister pilloried in jewish fundamentalist schools as a traitor and not welcome to visit – thats just last week)
So you are a narrow minded jewish fundamentalist like the ones that killed rabin and are causing so much trouble for the Israeli government?Thats the very definition of racism and it is sad that a people have been so traumatised..but it is the most unnatural thing for a jewish person to be – racist- so i still offer you a door to forgive and forget…i am convinced their will be peace in Israel because of the jewish experience – they are least likely racist but even that i suppose you will call racist.
Listen i have seen jewish people cheering at the killing of arabs…have you never seen that…i have never cheered at the killing of an Israeli…so Jews cannot be racist come on you are a jew you know they are like anyone else ..but you are being racist now calling me mad because i say Israel may have had a hand in 9-11
You know you are just filled with condescension towards B’dos…my mom’s written so many other things championing so many causes in barbados Black and white, rich and poor – even me what got me into this thing is the death threats against Adrian….I dont know him but i feel i do…because i lived with those similar threats for many years and now what it feels like to a man with family…and i was enraged that the Barbados police treated it like they did and i started writing and in on this blog thing…So when a senator – Glenroy Straughn told me and my mom off a plan to kill my mother, my mom was really upset…Glenroy a friend of so many years…we just said Glenroy as a senator dont you think you bring this up in the senate…and all it would have took was for a parlimentarian to raise a parlimentary question about the threats to Adrians life and that would have been the end. So before you start castigating understand we are on the same side but you are white jewish, which i respect, i love jewish people absolutely, i think the holocaust should be taught around the world, but i am white, black and amerindian i have three constituencies and because Israel is a colonial project i sympathize with the arab and see similarities with my black and amerindian ancestry.
That laid to rest
But on 9-11 conspiracy..Lets start i wont wait till tommorrow…on why am i mad to believe there is more to the official version ( by the way like the families of those killed that fought the Bush administration tooth and nail for an enquiry because they themselves were not satisfied with the official Bin Laden in a cave explanation) You haven’t responed on a single point and thats dishonest…and you are full of it… i find it is racist that you condemn someone who says maybe there is more to the 9-11 bombing than we are lead to believe…and to suggest that Israeli intelligence might be at work is anti-semetic. I’ll give you some history stupid boy…because you are not behaving like a man…i mean a man of the world who realizes he cant have everything his way…and it is you who have degenerated the commentary to the point where you call me mad.
The 9-11 thing. First. there are historical paralells the usa blew up the battleship the uss maine in cuba to stage a fake attack to provide a reason to begin the Spanish America war. They did the same in vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin.
The isreali in the 7 day war intercepted arab military communications that said things were lost decrypted them and substituted messages favourable to provoke an Egyptian attack and when the nsa communications ship the liberty intercepted the traffic and caught wind of what they were doing the isrealis bombed it killing 18 us sailors and eventually years later killed a couple of English journalist who broke the story.
Then there is the whole munich thing as Israel hunted down the terroists who staged the attack on the munich olympic games. The Mossad officer Avner who killed 5 of those responsible felt betrayed because he had to use the same terrorist network the palistinians, the red brigade and the basque seperatist used compromising him in the eyes of Israeli intelligence and what he did was take the can for what Golda Meir had ordered him to do. (By the way Goldw Meir was a great leader).
This doesnt prove anything but it is history. Like the Kennedy assasination do you still believe that Lee harvey Oswald killed the president alone? Espionage is know as the wilderness of mirrors. Until you know the facts you have to simultaneously have several working hypothesis..And i am sorry you seem to know better that everyone else (i guess you learned it on cnn or nbc) what happened in its entirety on 9-11 and that is a joke.
The posibility of intelligence services being involved is not eliminated…how do you know the truth…i dont claim to know…i just ask questions and my mother is asking did anyone have prior notice of what was going to happen? But to say the mossad could have been involved is racists so if i say the CIA would that be racist because you know in the 60 the CIA carried out some spectacular UN bombing in New York as part of an anti-castro programme. But i end here as you are not commenting any more so i look forward hopefully to a reply, and any further quotes from my mom’s site that you cali anti-semetic because i will defend each one of them because i know my mother is not mad not a racist and a genius. Please quote other things though you seem to gloss over things all the other things my mother writes about but please mention all the crazy mad things that you see because i realize you are very isolated and dont have much empathy…maybe i confuse you with other bloggers but could you please realize you are talking to intelligent people who have travelled all over the world and treat them with a bit more respect.
Samizad exactly what are your credentials…you said you met me but you are no friend of mine…Fayed believes his son and Diana was killed by British intelligence…he owns Harrods and i guess he is a crazy crackpot…because he is egyptian. I know my mother believes Diana was assinated and actually i think anyone is really ignorant not to think otherwise. I dont think you know the first thing about asassnation.
I guess Adrian Loveridge will be bumped off in a robbery and you will not think people get killed in barbados either.
About this thing about assination and murder and conspiracy i really have to tell you go away you are very very sleazy at least ju-ju man has some personal investment…but i cant work out yours…you are just one of these stupid uneducated (politically speaking) people. Here are some conspiracy theories that we know of…respond please with something more than four lines of drivel…. I know policeman Oliver Jordan was assisnated by George Reid, Assistant commisioner of police. Is that one of these conspiracies or you dont even know what you are talking about.
Then there is the mysterious death of JFK jnr in a cessna. His father is assasinated as president, his uncle is assasinated as democratic nominee, his mother puts all that she know into a time lock safe to be released in 50 years when her children will be safe, and the son is killed as soon as he enters a senate race…
Then Carlton my mom’s partner he is afraid in 1976 that he will be killed over arms to South Africa, but not before he has threatened a US embassy Charge d’affair with a gun to back off the investigation of the cia, my moms house is burnt, Tom Adams expells two close friends of Carlton as CIA officers and no conspiracy in the bombing of cubana in Barbados killing nearly a 100 people…More ranting conspiracy…I guess it would be too much for you to contemplate the suspicious manner of Tom Adams death as well…..more ranting conspiracy nonsense…I am telling Tom did not die a normal death.
It seems that my life is one big conspiracy because when i wrote about the pele murder that Pele was taken to the QEH like oliver Jordan like Ryan Clarke and isolated so that he could not speak to anyone on his death bed..you dont know these issues of life and death.
So go away you stupid fool and i mean it this time i cant believe you said you met me a few times because if you entered into my confidence you would have had peace and love but if you got on the wrong side of my mother you would have had it.
Then we go because i want you to talk about these stupid conspiracies of murder and cover-up…you dont know that the defence force in barbados shot down a tourist helecopter and covered it up and if you are Canadian there were Canadians on board. More ranting…this time you tell me…
And lets go on with these ranting conspiracies you know Harvey Juman killed his wife and the said Mottley and the top Brass of the police force helped him get away with a paltry 5 year sentence…Ranting conspiracy…
More murder conspiracy, i am an expert on it in Bdos…are you talking local conspiracies or foreign ones…i suppose lee harvey oswald killed kennedy too right…thats the granddaddy.
About the first concentration camps in america – the first people to take native inhabitants and put them into camps and call cocentration camp were the Americans in the mid west…Sourse Bury my Heart at wounded knee and In the Spirit of Crazy Horse…What is the difference between Indian camps and African camps they were for the same pupose is it just to prove me wrong…I guess what happened to native Americans and Amerindians too wasnt genocide
Relax, man. You’ll have a heart attack…
Incidentally, I never said I was a friend of yours. I don’t know you at all. I said I met you (very briefly) a couple of times, and you seemed like a cool guy.
Which, despite your ravings, I think you probably still are…
Juju man:
You are a master of manipulation, twister of history and omission of facts. I don’t waste my time with people like you. I honour and respect HONESTY.
If you want to enlighten yourself, read some writings by none other than Noam Chomsky, my favourit Jew. I flew to Boston to hear him give a lecture. I guess he will carry all the labels you outline above. lol.
there is no tribe or people who are righteous. jews, just like muslims, christians, atheist and sometimeschurchgoers were and still are guilty of fundamentalism. maybe if the media aired videos or highlight stories of jews committing acts of terror too this vibe would not be felt. seems as tho jews are the special ones. i have nothing wrong with them, but good gracious me, they did and still does wrong in the middle east.
just finished reading Richard North Patterson’s New York Times Bestseller “Exile”
Its a fiction thriller which is a real page turner.
It also is a wonderful balanced political account of the circumstances that all factions find themselves in Israel today.
Entertaining and politicllay informative, this book is highly recommended.
“Noam Chomsky, my favourit [sic] Jew”
I liked your last post, so I’m hoping you don’t realize how crass and condescending that sounds, Pat.
Think about it again for a minute.
Now consider the following:
White American woman, hostile to contemporary black culture, says:
“Bill Cosby, my favourite Black”.
Or:
White man, hostile to contemporary South Africa, says: “Nelson Mandela, my favourite Black”.
Get my point?
Noam Chomsky – linguist, philosopher, political activist, author and lecturer – is indeed a great man.
He deserves far better than to be demeaningly referred to as anyone’s “favourite Jew”…
well all I have to say is that tatank ayo whateva were the toast of this website during the election and I wondered why??? I always thought that they were rather delusional and I especially dislike the name dropping. ( The run on sentences and sudden changes in direction come a close second).
I think they ( he, she or both ) have expressed very anti-jewish opinions but its kinda wierd how now you have a problem with them but you allowed them to trash the BLP and Mia ad nauseum.
This is all quite strange. I personally have no interest in their website so do what you will!
Dear Gary and Angela
I’m sorry about this whole public debate. Please maybe someone could help you to reorganise your personal website with a view to making it acceptable?
I bought a copy of Farnum’s Land years ago, and also some by Timothy Callender in Goddard’s carpark, so many more years ago. We could change our courses. What you are saying above is very hurtful, and the content of the site very questionable.
We could do this, make peace out of our lives (or at least go our separate ways), take out the anger, or parhaps at least the anti-Semitism, maybe sell some books, while trying to tell our stories, and write our books.
I just don’t want to have anti-Semitism on the rise in Barbados, bottom line, because it is a form of racism that I personally have experienced, and continue to experience.
Help me to help you with at least some advice: Please take a close look at your site, or maybe ask a neutral person like a lawyer to have a look at it.
Dear David
My son has more patience with ignorance than I do–less carib blood.Why would you not read my books for yourself.Your polling method of gaining ithe truth is curious at best.
Ignorance is the reason that the zionist can continue to divide and rule. I have no intention of fighting with JuJu man.
When Aja wrote his book and called the wall that the Israelis are building an apartheid wall ,JuJU Man was only too happy to announce in the Central bank that he was the one who had called the anti defamation league,and made the accusation that the book was anti-semitic.This got the the United Nations to withdraw their launching of Aja’s book.
My great grand mother always said..”do not fight with pigs,you will only get dirty and the pigs will like it.
Well what i said above seems to have worked and really the delisting is another story…here’s the real story
I think now the excitment of the elections have passed and the 100 days are up, and history is on the verge of repeating itself, mainly things are back to normal – have food prices come down? Have rents come down? What about unemployment, Crime and Corruption – give them time – thats nonsense and i argued it in the begining, things will not change, and this is an increadibly hard fight that to effect any type of meaningfull change in this political system involves inordinate herculian work. It involves breaking the mold, long held assumptions, falsely encouraged beliefs, mistaken notions, intellectual fortitude, spititual strenght and more.
It is now clear to me in an ephiphany we writers have to relly on that sudden shock of insight.
So here is the humble conclusion.
I absolutely and wholeheartedly believe that by now David Thompson (David from now on) should have visted my mother and see that she is fine and set her to work on this corruption issue…if there ever is one if there ever will be one.
Yeah she’s my mother so I’ll say that you’ll say, but as the US is struggling with the understand of the war and begining to elect its leader with reference to the war, modern politics will increasingly be influenced by scandal and corruption. So these stories that my mother has, these books and more we have as writers and the blogging , etc whatever you want to call it have value and currency and appeal and market…this is stuff that you rely on in the creative industry to sell. You never know i never know perhaps there will be books films documentaries revised histories of these very things….I dont think some of you realize the human resonace of these stories in all cultures – not just our work – but in the history and culture of the island – you know i dont like using the word)
So if you really dont think it makes a difference that Adrian Loveridge could be threatened so public by the Barbados special security mechanism that there is no fundemental issue of government and society (and fundamentally and profoundly racists it was) for a country as Barbados you actually dont want Barbados to be a decent place. Adrian is just one in a long line, and there is the issue, do we really want to deal with the victims of all these horrible machinations of state with a politics that involves confronting the victim, i dont think so, and so whereas VC Bird in all his infinite wisdom, for there is no other leader in modern history any where in the world to have won so many consecutive free elections and remain in power unbroken for decades – remember that is what Owen was claiming to Mia i suppose that he could do…stupid.
So If the old man in his 70s in all his wisdom, and i learned alot from him through my mother, could actually come to rely on my mother to solve the fractured inhertience of his premiership, if ultimately such an act as two sons warring for power against each other (and remember much to our personal pain VCjnr was shot in the face) to mediate and find a solution to the mantle of leadership, it made things make sense now, why that degree of honesty in Antigua from the prime minister, as great as only David could ever hope to be – ( I think you can even say VC solved equibly the problem of sugar in his country – historically the most difficult in the BWIA)
I know when you all read a blog you dont want to see a political thesis but here it is.
My mother has done one tenth in Antigua as what she has done in Barbados, and i was there to see it. My mother single handenly and you can ask any one in the supermarket business from Gibbs, to Alleyne, to Bourne brought the price of core food item down by 50% per cent by trading with Cuba and gettting enough Balls which none of the Caribbean left had because there were too scared of getting killed and going to cuba and bring back a 50 000 tonne motor vessel. Not Ralph Gonzalas who i meet a good few times, and is the epitome of the left in the Caribbean, not even Maurice Bishop in the end i think had the perscuity to pursue trade and not hostile diplomacy. Line the left off and all their talk, not Bobby Clarke, my good friend, and now that David as Prime Minister cannot get a single cheap cardinal healthy food stuff on the tables of Barbadian homes in two months on a priority issue that he was elected on, so why is my mother snubbed like that, and that’s economics i am not even talking about the politics of this thing – people are becoming to focus more on – i believe now like Obama and David – corruption and change.
So as far as businesswoman, politican, defender of good, and rutheless undogged opponent,and representative of carib, my mother may be this a bit too harsh on jewish people who feel as you do, not on all of them, dont try to give the impression you are the arbitor of jew (especially when the black inhabitants of barbados may be just as semetic as you – that you carry out a genetic test and you might be surprisse one of the boy criminals you ridiculed because of their hairstyle might have as many markers as you – and looking at the film it was good to see the jewish peace and palestian activist campaigning for the end of settelements on the West Bank) It was good to see jewish people saying they have been tricked as economic migrants by the government into the West Bank with the lure of cheap housing and amenities.
Of jewish army officers who say they are forced to watch the murder of arabs in Hebron and are to afraid of the zealotry to stop them.
But as you know my mom made the comment (hurrah hurrah), don’t worry the playing with pigs is clearly at me not you, (smile)and the black blood and not enough Carib blood the bane of my existence. But you better come clean in all honesty and give a proper statement, as for the Motleys i treat them with dignity, i try to treat all the people we write about with dignity or we dont bother to write about them at all.
This was a fantastic Blog and worthty of print David, this is a gem, the people, the personality the ideas, but i am not fighting with ju-ju.
Note my mom said divide, and i dont want that to happen…honestly. The arab-israeli problem. That’s far away. Hitler etc. You know.
It is a red herring as you say, Ju-ju, but you said to one thing – about assassination and the mossad.
You have no degree of understanding of the contempt my mother held Carlton for running and hiding in fear of his life when Bull was killed in Iraq. Carlton went to Iraq many times in the early days when Saddam was Americans darling against Iran. My mom would get his tapped calls from Iraq.
As for the gun, being glamourized leave that to Hollywood, i lived with 15 inch shell casing in my house, was handling detonators at 13, and although i never served in any regiment, military history is something of a special for me, and i honor the fallen of all people. So arms have valour and strenghten, and i argue with my wife and i suppose i will perhaps one day argue with my mom or children’s mother for a miltary education for my sons. Even so i take my young son to the fields of flanders, to the graveyards and beaches of Normandy and he will know the order of battle. I wish my dad had done it to me …it would have served against the indoctrination of my youth. but here is the rub.
I am so honest, i profess for you as a pacifist and understanding of war. This is where we have agreement but, you need to be just as honest.
You say that you are not Mossad, that my mother was too small for them, that sounds like Hollywood to me, all jewish people anywhere in the world are expected to help the Mossad when asked, and the anti-defamation League is explicitly controlled by the Mossad. When the Mossad hunted down Eichman and the nazi war criminals they expected every jew who could help to help. And that was good.
But i have seen it work in a different way on a jewish friend of my partner who worked for the UN, a young girl, who eventually came to say she would only marry another jew, fair to say, but further when she started, sending my partner emails of blown up heads of suicide bombers she thought it was distasteful, and her jewish friend was insulted that she not participate in the joint mailing (you know that people are ignorant of the holocaust).
Thats Mossad, not in any big way but it is out there reminding jews agitating jews, working on their conscience, soliciting drives etc. Think about it. Let the new barbadian generation live in freedom and expression, you are seeing arguements from another time and another place…i know i see them all the time…and we can talk about them but trust the young people, and let them decide their minds. You are not stopping anything.
A story is told of a Jewish man who was riding
on the subway, reading an Arab newspaper.
A friend of his, who happened to be riding in the
same subway car, noticed this strange phenomenon.
Very upset, he approached the newspaper reader:
“Moshe, have you lost your mind? Why are you
reading an Arab newspaper?”
Moshe replied: “I used to read the Jewish newspaper,
but what did I find? Jews being persecuted, Israel
being attacked, Jews disappearing through
assimilation and intermarriage, Jews living in poverty.
“So I switched to the Arab newspaper.
Now what do I find? Jews own all the banks, Jews
control the media, Jews are all rich and powerful,
Jews rule the world. The news is so much better.”
You all are in a Carib country only yesterday Keith Laurie, head of National Trust told me that we ate Arawaks. Arawak is a word like nigger. Maybe we could start an anti-Ameridian movement and throw out all those who say bad things about Caribs.