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The Government, private sector and unions have signalled their intention to move from the optional injection phase to the mandatory. They seem convinced that the injections can only benefit Barbadians, and do not understand why many Barbadians are hesitant.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons deserve an honest evidence-based discussion of COVID-19. To facilitate that discussion, the facts that are publicly known to-date are outlined in this article.

SARS-CoV PANDEMIC

In 2002, there was a pandemic called Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in China. It was caused by the SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

In 2004, the US and Chinese Governments funded research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China, where they identified bats as the source of the SARS coronavirus [1].

CREATING VIRUSES

In 2005, US researchers developed a method of creating a new SARS coronavirus from parts of other viruses. Their method made it impossible to know whether the new virus was developed in a lab or naturally [2]. The method was called “no-see-um”.

In 2007, the Governments of China, Australia and Europe funded research at WIV where new viruses were assembled, by using parts of the SARS-CoV virus. Their new virus was able to infect human cells [3].

CREATING DANGEROUS VIRUSES

In 2015, the US and Chinese governments funded research, where US researchers (who developed the “no-see-um” method) genetically modified virus samples from China. These new viruses efficiently replicated in the human respiratory system, and were resistant to antibodies and vaccines [4].

In 2016, Chinese and US governments funded research at WIV. They developed a method of genetically modifying the virus created by US researchers in 2015. They developed multiple versions of this dangerous coronavirus [5].

CREATING DEADLY VIRUSES

In 2017, Chinese researchers at WIV were developing new coronaviruses using the “no-see-um” method [6]. They also developed different coronaviruses that could better infect, and efficiently replicate in humans [7].

In 2018, the Government of China funded research at the WIV that included replicating and modifying some of the most deadly viruses known to man, including Ebola, and Marburg [8]. This unpublished work was ongoing at the lab during the COVID-19 outbreak.

LAB SECURITY

The purpose of all of this research appears to have been well-intentioned. Researchers assumed that the next pandemic would come from a variant of the bat virus. Therefore, they were trying to develop a variant that could easily infect, and rapidly replicate in humans, so that a vaccine could be developed for it.

The problem is that genetically developing deadly viruses should be done at the highest security level, to prevent their escape. Level 4 provides the highest level of laboratory security. For comparison, the security level in a dentist’s office is Level 2.

The Chinese were developing dangerous viruses in Level 2 conditions [3]. Chernobyl should have taught the world that international level disasters can happen, when people deliberately do not adhere to safety standards specifically designed to prevent such disasters.

THE GAMES

On 12 September 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology removed its public database of over 22,000 entries from the Internet. Between 18 to 27 October 2019, China hosted the once-in-four-years Military World Games. It was attended by 9,308 military persons from 109 countries. Barbados sent two persons and won one bronze medal [9]. The host city was Wuhan.

Visiting athletes reported having their temperature checked at the airport [10]. Many visiting athletes became sick with COVID-19 like symptoms in Wuhan, and/or soon after they left [11]. Some countries have confirmed that COVID-19 was present in their countries in November 2019 [12].

THE DESTRUCTION

On 1 January 2020, Chinese labs were ordered to destroy their virus samples. Two days later, Chinese institutions were ordered not to publish any information on the virus, and to destroy all virus samples or give them to authorised Government agencies [13].

ANALYSING THE EVIDENCE

The evidence points to an accidental leak of different genetically modified viruses from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, before the military games. It was then spread throughout the world by the soldier athletes, when they completed their deployments. This may explain the relatively rapid global spread, and the diverse (now 15) variants.

The latest research suggests that a variant like MERS (with a one-in-three fatality rate) is a realistic possibility. The possibility that a new variant would evade current vaccines, and become difficult to revaccinate against, is almost certain [14].

WHY THE HESITANCY?

Why is there such hesitancy in discussing the possibility that COVID-19 was created in a lab?

The mountain of credible publicly available scientific evidence, suggests that COVID-19 was created in a lab. There is no similar evidence that it developed naturally. Why are those on the side of the overwhelming supporting evidence labelled conspiracy theorists?

VACCINE DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTION

The development of the COVID-19 vaccines is founded on the unverified, and likely false assumption that COVID-19 developed naturally. Why is there hesitancy in critically examining the vaccines, given that the foundation on which they were developed is questionable?

Barbadians are not anti-vax. Barbadians normally take vaccinations to protect themselves against natural diseases. If COVID-19 is not a naturally occurring virus, Barbadians are justified in being hesitant. That hesitancy can be addressed with an honest evidence-based discussion – or by force.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

REFERENCES


[1] Li, W et al. Bats are natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses. Science, 2005.

[2] Baric R, Sims C. Development of Mouse Hepatitis Virus and SARS-CoV Infectious cDNA Constructs. Current Topics in Microbiology and Immunology, 2005.

[3] Ren, W. Difference in receptor usage between severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus and SARS-like coronavirus of bat origin. Journal of Virology. 2008.

[4] Menachery, V et al. A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence. Nature Medicine, 2015.

[5] Zeng, L et al. Bat Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Like Coronavirus WIV1 Encodes an Extra Accessory Protein, ORFX, Involved in Modulation of the Host Immune Response. Journal of Virology, 2016.

[6] Leiping, Z. Reverse Genetic System of Bat SARS-like Coronaviruses and Function of ORFX. The University of Chinese Academy of Sciences, 2017.

[7] Hu, B et al. Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus. PLOS Pathogens, 2017.

[8] Pathogen Host Adaptation and Immune Intervention. The Chinese Academy of Science (Implementation 2018-2022).

[9] 2019 Yearbook. 7th CISM World Summer Games. International Military Sports Council, 2020.

[10] Houston, M. “More athletes claim they contracted COVID-19 at Military World Games in Wuhan.” Inside the Games, 17 May 2020.

[11] Francis, D. “Canadian Forces Have Right to Know If They Got COVID at the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan.” Financial Post, 25 June 2021.

[12] Fongaro, G et al. The presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in human sewage in Santa Catarina, Brazil, November 2019. The Science of the Total Environment, July 2021.

[13] Pingui, Z. China confirms unauthorised labs were told to destroy early coronavirus samples. South China Morning Post, 15 May 2020.

[14] Long term evolution of SARS-CoV-2. Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE). 26 July 2021.


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888 responses to “Difficult Conversations – Addressing Vaccine Hesitancy”


  1. BU is the Black Twitter for Trump Nut Conspiracy Theory Trolls


  2. Jamaica on Sunday reported a record 879 new COVID-19 cases from 2,710 samples tested,


  3. HantsAugust 24, 2021 1:38 PM

    Jamaica on Sunday reported a record 879 new COVID-19 cases from 2,710 samples tested,

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Jamaica also has its issues with water!!

    Turbidity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://jis.gov.jm/high-turbidity-disrupts-operation-at-several-nwc-facilities-in-western-jamaica/


  4. Every country on this earth has its peculiar problems with water supply.


  5. @ John August 24, 2021 3:05 PM
    (Quote):
    Jamaica also has its issues with water!!
    Turbidity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If we were to follow you down your own watery warren of a rabbit hole, signposted the very source of your Covid-transmission water thesis, then the vast majority of the planet must have “issues with water”.

    Come on, the water-carrier-boy called H2O Johnny, please tell us the ‘scientific truth’!

    Is Covid-19 transmitted by water or by ‘air’ and sea travel?

    How did the Delta variant get into the Bajan water works?

    Did it arrive by duppy airplane or via imported ‘piss-water’ in plastic bottles?

    Since you are pretending to be on top of the world of Bajan water divination why don’t you tell your BU grasshopper class of knuckleheads if there is any ‘scientific’ validity to the conspiracy theory that the salinity content of the Bajan drinking water is about to rise because of the effects to the ‘inland’ water table resulting from the ongoing dredging and denudation of the Constitution river delta.


  6. @🐇
    I couldn’t say it better so there cit and paste the following:
    “Come on, the water-carrier-boy called H2O Johnny, please tell us the ‘scientific truth’!

    Is Covid-19 transmitted by water or by ‘air’ and sea travel?

    How did the Delta variant get into the Bajan water works?

    Did it arrive by duppy airplane or via imported ‘piss-water’ in plastic bottles?”

    Indeed his theory on the spread of the virus is mutating even faster than the virus itself. One variant for each island.

    He is 200% correct in stating that there is no vaccine for his coronavirus theories.


  7. .. so I cut and pasted the following:
    Come on, the water-carrier-boy called H2O Johnny, please tell us the ‘scientific truth’!

    Is Covid-19 transmitted by water or by ‘air’ and sea travel?

    How did the Delta variant get into the Bajan water works?

    Did it arrive by duppy airplane or via imported ‘piss-water’ in plastic bottles?


  8. Vaccines are less protective against Delta infection but still reduce risk by two-thirds, CDC study shows

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/24/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html


  9. TheOGazertsAugust 24, 2021 5:52 PM

    How did the Delta variant get into the Bajan water works?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Same way it got into each and every country’s ground water, sewage …gravity!!

    Dominica doesn’t depend on ground water!!!

    Only one death to date.

    Kind of simple really!!


  10. MillerAugust 24, 2021 4:10 PM

    @ John August 24, 2021 3:05 PM
    (Quote):
    Jamaica also has its issues with water!!
    Turbidity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Since you are pretending to be on top of the world of Bajan water divination why don’t you tell your BU grasshopper class of knuckleheads if there is any ‘scientific’ validity to the conspiracy theory that the salinity content of the Bajan drinking water is about to rise because of the effects to the ‘inland’ water table resulting from the ongoing dredging and denudation of the Constitution river delta.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    See if you can figure out the answer from this diagram from the 1978 water resources study!!

    https://imgur.com/ov23uHl


  11. BTW

    The Salinity of the Barbados drinking water rises and falls depending on rainfall and tides!!

    … but any knucklehead would know that!!


  12. @🐇
    Someone need to slap you and take away the app and your markers.

    Educate me on your graph.


  13. The diagram is a section through Charles Rowe Bridge, the Belle and the Coast.

    Water percolates through the coral cap inland from Charles Rowe Bridge.

    It hits the impervious oceanic layer and flows downward (right to left) towards the sea.

    Blue Arrow on the right.

    It hits sea level under Charles Rowe Bridge.

    Since its density is less than sea water it floats on the sea water and forms a freshwater lens (blue).

    This moves towards the sea and is pushed by the undergrounf flow inland from Charles Rowe Bridge.

    It exits to the sea at the coast.

    Blue Arrow on the left.

    The salinity of the fresh water lens varies from very low to very high with depth.

    The three dashed lines denote first 200 parts per million of chloride (salinity), then a bit lower 600 ppm and finally 10,000 ppm. Sea water is 35,000 ppm.

    The Belle pumping station draws out water from the freshest part of the freshwater lens but its salinity will vary depending on tide level and the volume of water entering the lens at Charles Rowe Bridge which is determined by rainfall..

    Water will obviously also percolate into the lens from the section between Charles Rowe Bridge and Belle.

    I’ll draw a house outside of Zone 1 (not to scale) to show how zoning is used to protect the water extracted from Belle from bacteria and viruses.
    .


  14. The house introduces waste water into the fresh water lens.

    Once it is far enough away, by the time any bacteria or viruses reach Belle they will be dead.

    So, Zone 1 will protect our drinking water once it is chosen (and enforced) at a large enough distance to ensure the time of travel of the bacteria and viruses exceed some value which ensures they die.

    https://imgur.com/5BVfzUl


  15. @🐰
    Thanks. Great explanation
    Now waiting to see where you will go from here

  16. GP, one time BU "resident doctor" Avatar
    GP, one time BU “resident doctor”

    JOHN KNOX
    THIS IS FOR YOU AND THOSE WITH A FUNCTIONING BRAIN
    NOT FOR THE SCUM FROM ST PETER
    SEE HOW POLITICS DESTROYED MEDICINE
    SEE HOW FALSY THE DEVIL ACTED LIKE HIS DADDY WHO JESUS SAID WAS A LIAR AND A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING

    SENSIBLE FOLK WILL ORDER SOME INVERMECTIN AND HCQ FOR THEIR FAMILIES ONLINE

    THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT IS BLOCKING COVID TREATMENTS!
    August 22, 2021 ronie

    Why is the Government not pushing these effective COVID medications? As effective as Ivermectin should have been promoted to the public and widely used to cure COVID patients.

    They’re trying to hide something from us…. Maybe government funding is at stake?

    If you would like to know more information about the clinical trials and studies of Ivermectin, please visit:

    https://ivmmeta.com

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19

    https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/


  17. Dominica!!


  18. … but before going there here is what maybe not a very sensible decision!!

    “The site of the old Glendairy Prison is to be developed into a major tourism project led by the Barbados Tourism Investment Inc. (BTI) and involving local investors, Parliament was told Tuesday, but Opposition Leader Bishop Joseph Atherley has offered alternative ideas for the old jail.

    Lawmakers have also announced that the zone one classification of the nearby Bellevue and the Belle communities is to be changed to allow squatters the opportunity to own and develop the spots they have been occupying for decades.”

    I particularly enjoyed drawing in the brown stuff!!!

    This decision could cause the brown stuff to hit the fan.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/08/25/glendairy-earmarked-for-tourism-as-belle-squatters-land-rezoned/


  19. It is interesting to the blogmaster how many living in North America visit this blog to flog Barbados for exploring implementing mandatory vaccination and in their neck of the woods it is being mandated as each day passes. Bunch of hypocrites!


  20. Everyone from Dr. Faucci back down should listen to Dr. Shankara Chetty on how he and two nurses treated over four thousand COVID cases in South Africa as out patients without losing a single patient.

    He had no access to Oxygen and the nearest hospital was miles away.

    This man shames all the doctors with all their first world resources.


  21. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58335109
    Delta Airlines imposes $200 monthly surcharge on unvaccinated staff

    America’s third largest airline, Delta, is to impose a $200 (£145) monthly surcharge on employees who are not vaccinated against Covid-19. It will also only pay sick pay to Covid sufferers who have been double-jabbed but still get infected. Boss Ed Bastian said it would help stem the “aggressive spread” of coronavirus as infections rise across the US. It is the latest attempt by a big firm to cajole staff into getting jabbed. In a memo to staff, Mr Bastian said Delta’s surcharge would apply from 1 November to staff enrolled in its healthcare insurance plan, meaning most of its 75,000 workers will be affected. He said the average hospital stay for Covid-19 now cost Delta $50,000 per person which was untenable.


  22. Air Canada announced Wednesday that it is mandating Covid19 vaccines for all of its employees…the airline also announced that those who fail to comply or qualify for valid medical reasons may be terminated…all employees have to be fully vaccinated by October 30.
    Source: Toronto Star


  23. I feel a bit defensive as I am in the USA

    I believe my comments have always indicated that employers in the US were getting aggressive. Before vaccine approval, my employer was indicating that all employees must return to the office and the unvaccinated must undergo regular testing.

    We had a return date of Sep 7, but the variants caused the date to move to Oct 11.

    I was confident that now we were aware of breakthrough cases, the date would move again. However, approval may be a game changer and there may be no more delays in returning to the office.
    —-x—–
    How do you screw-up a good thing?

    I remember hearing a news report that some employees who were allowed to work from home were taking a second full-time job.


  24. https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/08/25/vaccine-mandates-for-nurses-taken-off-table/

    I believe the GoB should take the same position here “get vaccinated or go home”

  25. GP, one time BU "resident doctor" Avatar
    GP, one time BU “resident doctor”

    RE It is interesting to the blogmaster how many living in North America visit this blog to flog Barbados for exploring implementing mandatory vaccination and in their neck of the woods it is being mandated as each day passes. Bunch of hypocrites!

    BY DEFINITION A HYPOCRITE IS SOMEONE WHO WEARS A MASK —PUN INTENDED.
    SOME ONE WHO IS ACTING A PART IN A PLAY ON WHO IS NOT GENUINE.
    I AM STEADFAST AND UNMOVEABLE IN MY VIEWS ON THE BASIS OF MY OBSERVATIONS, READING (AND NOT THE SHITE YOU POST HERE) THE MEDICAL LITTERATURE, AND MY TRAINING AS “”Ä TRAINED MEDICAL DOCTOR””

    ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU POST THE BULL SHIT YOU POST? ARE YOU PAID SO TO DO?

    I LIVE IN NORTH AMERICA BUT I DO NOT AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT IS SAID OR DONE IN NORTH AMERICA IN MANY THINGS.

    MANY SOLID SOUND “”TRAINED MEDICAL DOCTORS”” IN NORTH AMERICA I DO NOT AGREE EITHER AND HAVE BEEN SILENCED AND THREATENED

    NORTH AMERICA IS NOT THE MIGHTY SPARROW

    I AM ALSO A BARBADIAN, AND AS SUCH I DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALL THAT IS SAID OR DONE IN BARBADOS. BARBADOS IS NOT THE MIGHTY SPARROW EITHER

    FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS COVID THINGA BOBSY CERTAIN PERSONS, PRACTICES AND PARAMETERS ABOUT THIS VIRUS SEEMED WRONG BECAUSE I AM ACTUALLY EDUCATED AND A “”TRAINED MEDICAL DOCTOR”‘ WHO IS READING THE LITERATURE. AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AND CAN THINK

    ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO COME HERE TO RUN WITH THE VIEW PREVALENT HERE OR THAT PREFERRED BY THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY KNOW, BUT DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW

    EVEN THE MONKEY IN THE POST ABOVE WAS ABLE TO FOLLOW FASHION AND PUT ON A MASK

    WHAT DOES JOIN IN THE DISCUSSION, MEAN?
    WHAT IS A DISCUSSION?
    CAN THERE ONLY BE ONE SIDE IN A REAL DISCUSSION?
    MUST THERE ONLY BE ONE SIDE IN A REAL DISCUSSION?
    MUST A REAL “”TRAINED MEDICAL DOCTOR”” SPOUT WHAT EVER ERROR IS BEING SPOUTED WHEN HE SEES IT TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE PREVAILING VIEW
    MUST A REAL “”TRAINED MEDICAL DOCTOR”” NOT THINK? BECAUSE THE UNTRAINED CANT, AND MUST FOLLOW THE FASHIONS THAT EVEN MONKEYS CAN

    MANY COME HERE AND POST NUFF SHITE AND IT IS NOT TAKEN DOWN….WHY ARE MINE TAKEN DOWN

    EVEN THE JAMAICANS HAVE SEEN THE NEED FOR USE OF CERTAIN MEDICATIONS DENIED TO AMERICANS AND OTHER AREAS OFTTHE WORLD SO THAT THERSE DRUGS ARE NOT EVEN AVAILABLE INTHIER PRIMARY AND LONGSTANDING INDICATIONS

    I DO NOT LOSE ANYTHING WHEN MY POSTS ARE TAKEN DOWN OR I AM REVILED AND MOCKED BY ILLITERATES ON BU. I JUST LAUGH LOUDLY.

    ONE CAN NOT ADJUDICATE CORRECTLY WITHOUT ALL THE CORRECT INFORMATION
    JESUS SAID “”JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AND NOT BY THE APPEARANCE””

    I GONE TILL NEXT TIME I SEEK SOME MIRTH
    IN THE INTERIM YOU CAN TAKE DOWN THIS POST AND KEEP THE STUPID MUSIC AND POST WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR IN YOUR IGNORANCE BUT NONE OF THAT WILL ALTER THE TRUTH OR WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND
    .


  26. Wait! Wuhnuh still hey??????


  27. TheOGazertsAugust 25, 2021 8:01 PM

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/08/25/vaccine-mandates-for-nurses-taken-off-table/

    I believe the GoB should take the same position here “get vaccinated or go home”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Is the so called vaccination working?

    I see cases rising and deaths look to be as well.


  28. … and if the vaccinations are not stopping the spread then it seems we better understand how it spreads.

    We are being told that the Delta variant is suddenly the most transmissible of all and that is why we are getting all these “breakthrough” infections.

    I don’t believe it, too convenient and too complicated and too far beyond comprehension.

    There is a simpler explanation.


  29. If one doctor and two nurses in South Africa can treat as many cases as occurred in the whole of Barbados without losing a single patient and without a hospital and oxygen and recommended drugs then we got to be doing something wrong.

    Why do we need this army of communicators and we can’t get a solution?


  30. Have had the legal opinion yet?

    Every fool got he own sense and “I are a idiot” like he realise that the need for one is rapidly disappearing so al he got to do is stay on vacation and isolate!!


  31. We don’t need propaganda, we need a solution.


  32. “… and if the vaccinations are not stopping the spread then it seems we better understand how it spreads.”

    (1) How can you say vaccination is not stopping the spread. It is true there are breakthrough infections but this is in a very small percentage of the vaccinated. The main source of infection is still in the unvaccinated.

    “I don’t believe it, too convenient and too complicated and too far beyond comprehension.”

    The statement seems inconsistent with your devout belief in Dr Chetty.
    I could easily list four or five different treatments that doctors are prescribing for covid-19.

    We don’t need propaganda, we need a solution.


  33. TheOGazertsAugust 25, 2021 11:34 PM

    (1) How can you say vaccination is not stopping the spread. It is true there are breakthrough infections but this is in a very small percentage of the vaccinated. The main source of infection is still in the unvaccinated.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why are there more cases in the USA today with 52.2% FULLY vaccinated than there were with no vaccinations a year ago?

    Last year the first peak in the summer produced 75K.

    This summer there are about 180K in the peak.

    Is it that the vaccinated are super spreaders or is it that the vaccinations are not working?


  34. The narrative (propaganda) and the numbers do not match.


  35. Dominica had no problem a year ago if you look at the numbers.

    Their problems only appear to arise after vaccinations!!

    These are the simple facts.


  36. Deaths have fallen but vaccination is not the only change!!

    Those who were likely to succumb and who received treatment which killed them are gone.

    We now know more about treatment (thanks to Doctors like Dr. Chetty) and the segment of the population who are more likely to die are no longer with us.

    Vaccinations may not be responsible for much of the decrease in deaths.

    Those who were to die are already dead.


  37. Given these simple facts I find it difficult to conclude vaccinations have been effective.

    I am still in the wait and see mode.


  38. A growing proportion of the people inundating hospitals and dying in Florida now are coming from younger segments of the population, particularly those ages 40 to 59, which were less vulnerable in earlier waves of the pandemic. The Delta variant is spreading among younger people, many who thought they were healthy and did not get vaccinated.

    Dr. Chirag Patel, the assistant chief medical officer of UF Health Jacksonville, a hospital system in Northeast Florida, said the patients hospitalized with the virus during this latest surge tend to be younger and have fewer other health issues, but are nearly all unvaccinated. Of those who have died, including patients ranging in age from their 20s to their 40s, more than 90 percent were not inoculated, Dr. Patel said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/us/florida-covid-deaths.html


  39. @🐇
    The post above answer your question and knocks your questions/answers out of the park.

    It pains me to see you make up questions and then provide your answers to these questions.


  40. #
    @🐰
    “Dominica had no problem a year ago if you look at the numbers.

    Their problems only appear to arise after vaccinations!!”

    Dominica was the main plank in your fast mutating water theory. You will now explain the failure of your theory by blaming vaccinations. So, with no infections present, if you vaccinate Dominicans then they will catch COVID-19.

    The virus in the vaccine???


  41. Why not show the covid death rates per 100,000 people for each state so you can get a true feel for the situation in each area.


  42. 🐰
    “Those who were likely to succumb and who received treatment which killed them are gone.

    We now know more about treatment (thanks to Doctors like Dr. Chetty) and the segment of the population who are more likely to die are no longer with us.”

    Respectfully! Nonsense. Outright nonsense..
    Para 1: ‘and who receive treatment which killed them’ .. this is a next mutation of your covid theory. The treatment kills.

    Para 2: What are the characteristics of the population who are more likely to die?

    Were ‘the more likely to die’ all exposed to covid-19?


  43. @Lawson
    😀Adults are talking here. Please be quiet.😃

  44. TRAINED MEDICAL DR LOL Avatar
    TRAINED MEDICAL DR LOL

    re The virus in the vaccine???
    SHOULD IT NOT BE?
    OF WHAT ARE NORMAL VACCINES TO VIRUSES COMPOSED?

    RE In Florida, the pandemic is worse now than it has ever been before.
    I DONT KNOW BUT IVE BEEN TOLD the pandemic is worse now than it has ever been before. IN MANY MANY PLACES UH LIE?

    RE The narrative (propaganda) and the numbers do not match.
    HOW CAN THEY?
    YOU CANT MAKE A DISEASE CONFORM TO YOUR PROPOGANDIC NEEDS, CAN YOU?

    QUESTION
    WHENEVER IN THE HISTORY OF MEDICINE AND PUBLIC HEALTH HAS VACCINES BEEN THE CURE, AND WELL KNOWN AND CHEAP AND EFFECTIVE PHARMACEUTICALS ABANDONED AND EVEN BANNED LEAVING THE POOR TO SUFFER UNIVERSALLY?
    HOW COME NOBODY AINT BARKING AND AND BRAYING BOUT BIG PHARMA THESE DAYS?

  45. TRAINED MEDICAL DR LOL Avatar
    TRAINED MEDICAL DR LOL

    RE this is a next mutation of your covid theory. The treatment kills.
    IS IT NOT TRUE THAT “THE TREATMENT” WITH VACCINES IS DOING A LOT OF KILLING? WHY IS THIS?
    WHY ARE DEATH RATES GOING UP IN AREAS WHERE FOLK HAVE BEEN VACCINATED

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