COVID 19 Versus The Caribbean

The following analysis prepared by Amit @caribbeansignal.com

The last time I researched and wrote anything COVID-19 related was back in June, 2020. Back then, I wrote a series of weekly “Covid-19 vs. The Caribbean” articles. Every Friday night, I’d scour several data sources for reports of confirmed new cases across the Caribbean, compile the data into spreadsheets, and publish some basic analysis on this site. All in all, I analyzed 13 weeks of data.

Much has changed since then. People across the globe are still suffering, as are our economies. Our lives have changed, no matter who you are or what you have (or don’t). Life events are either pre-Covid or post-Covid. Such is the scale and scope of this deadly virus. Despite that, Science has offered solutions. Vaccines were quickly developed (some would argue to quickly?) and are now being deployed globally and across the Region. We Humans have also learned to adapt, as Humans often do. Of-course, the Virus has adapted (as they often do), and the impact of vaccines on mutations is neither clear, nor certain. Ironically, neither is Life in general, except for death and taxes, or so they say.

Read full article: COVID-19 vs The Caribbean: Deaths Per Capita

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  • You should look at the islands individually and compare their performances and try to explain any disparities.

    Why do some have zero deaths and very few cases?

    The most sensible explanation I can find is water supply.

    If that is the case then the world has a lot to learn from the Caribbean.

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  • Belize has problems with water.

    Tap water isn’t generally considered safe to drink, even in most cities and popular tourist towns. The water in Belize City and San Ignacio is relatively safe to drink, but travelers often get a touch of diarrhea whenever they hit a foreign country, so always play it safe.

    Bahamas has problems because of demand.

    Dominica has one of the purest sources in the Caribbean, if not the world.

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  • @ John March 2, 2021 8:13 AM
    “Dominica has one of the purest sources in the Caribbean, if not the world.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because of the gravamen of the water situation in Bim, why not, as a solution to the problem, try to impress upon the GoB the need to source its bottled water from that purest (and safest) place in the Caribbean instead of importing stale water in plastic bottles from places riddled with Covid and ‘his’ friends in their ground and sewage-treated water sources.

    One of your kind from the dirty ‘moneyed’ class (say Mal(m)oney or even Clifford C.) can set up a bottling plant in Dominica and export the water to Barbados to save the black population from extinction.

    How about that watertight case as clear as ‘mountain dew’ to solve the drinking water problem in Covid-infected Buhbadus?

    We don’t to hear any of your pettifogging pedantic ‘sterile’ responses.
    Remember that: ‘If you are not part of the solution you must be part of the problem’.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    The basic data across the Caribbean. Assuming that the data were collected and collated in the same manner,some countries appear to be doing better than others. The causal factors are still to be unearthed so that these can be implemented in other Caribbean countries. Containment has been the main success factor in Barbados. When the protocols are breached and borders are opened to arrivees from heavily infected countries the infection and death rates rise. The vaccines are supposed to build immunity. How effective each brand of vaccine is varies and the vaccines are not guaranteed.In any case the virus mutates. Its target is the destruction /compromisation of the body’s immune system. Yes the data is there. The analysis and strategies are absent.

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  • This is vary good link. Would suggest reading the whole article and keep I mind that what is being pumped through the pipes is not waster water, but water that is treated

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/05/03/can-covid-19-coronavirus-live-in-water-what-about-drinking-water-and-swimming/amp/

    “Neither study showed that you can actually get infected with the COVID-19 coronavirus from water under the conditions that you’d normally be exposed to water. That means via drinking (assuming that you aren’t drinking sewage or some other type of dirty water), showering, or swimming (assuming that you don’t swim in sewage.)

    In fact, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the COVID-19 coronavirus hasn’t even been found in drinking water. And the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has said that “the risk to water supplies is low. Americans can continue to use and drink water from their tap as usual.” Such a virus would have to get through all of the filtration and water treatments that drinking water typically goes through, and that can be harder than getting on to the red carpet at the Oscars.”

    Stop the big lie.

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  • @Vincent

    In other words our regional governments have been reactive and many of our citizens indisciplined?

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  • So what’s new!!

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  • DavidMarch 2, 2021 9:26 AM

    @Vincent

    In other words our regional governments have been reactive and many of our citizens indisciplined?

    Stuepse

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  • Gazzerts
    Of course you are slow
    Neither did science see or expected the many variants associated with the virus
    COVID is a horse of a different color cant rule nothing out

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  • MillerMarch 2, 2021 8:35 AM

    @ John March 2, 2021 8:13 AM
    “Dominica has one of the purest sources in the Caribbean, if not the world.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because of the gravamen of the water situation in Bim, why not, as a solution to the problem, try to impress upon the GoB the need to source its bottled water from that purest (and safest) place in the Caribbean instead of importing stale water in plastic bottles from places riddled with Covid and ‘his’ friends in their ground and sewage-treated water sources.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    One of the options discussed back in the 1990’s was to barge the water from Dominica here rather than build a desal plant..

    That might make a lot of sense if that water is then used as the source to the desal plant here as it will probably be virus free!!

    However, Singapore realized a long time ago that purchasing water from Malaysia impinges upon its sovereignty so like the proactive disciplined folks they are they found out how to recycle raw sewage, ensure the quality of the rainfall they catch and desalinate.

    Singapore is literally miles ahead of the world.

    It has a deal with Malaysia to buy the river water from it, treat it and sell back the treated water at a profit.

    Malaysia is locked in to the agreement till 2060!!

    It desperately wants to get out but when it does it will find Singapore has been proactive and can get by without them!!

    Proactive Government, disciplined people.

    Masters of their destiny, captain’s of their fate … for now anyway.

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  • MTA

    You are out of your league here trying to play this bowling!!

    You are going to get hurt!!

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  • NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXT!!

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  • @ John March 2, 2021 9:36 AM
    “So what’s new!!”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Johnny, you ass has turned to grass with that posting @ TheOGazerts March 2, 2021 9:25 AM.

    Do you really understand the ramifications of your assertion that the water pumped by the BWA is contaminated with Covid-19?

    Are you saying that, in addition to Covid-19, there is a multiplicity of dangerous viruses and bacteria like Cholera lurking in the poorly-treated water in Barbados?

    Are you implying that the GoB- through its ‘executing’ arm of the BWA- is slowly but effectively (even if inadvertently) exterminating the Bajan population similar to what Hitler did to the Jews in Nazi Germany?

    Do you understand that clean water is the source of a nation’s good health and the foundation of any civilization?

    BTW, the Trump administration from that real “shithole country” is not running things in Bim with the objective of killing off the black population.

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  • @ Vincent Codrington March 2, 2021 9:20 AM

    You’ve made a very interesting point.

    For example, I don’t know whether or not what I’ve read is true, but, apparently Grenada has not been including positive repatriated cases in its COVOD-19 statistics.

    However, I believe the number of deaths is perhaps the deciding factor. But, then again, to achieve a figure that’s as accurate as possible, we’ll probably have to determine and categorise the causes of deaths.

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  • Barbados is simply lucky and blessed.

    It has a low percentage of smokers, second lowest in the world.

    Our lungs are good.

    We got serious obesity problems which can lead to heart disease which can lead to impaired lung function but on the whole, our lungs are good.

    Thank God for Dr. Gale!!

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  • @ John March 2, 2021 9:46 AM
    “MTA
    You are out of your league here trying to play this bowling!!
    You are going to get hurt..”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What bowling ??? The diarrhoea of crap you continue to deliver in the most nauseatingly obnoxious way?

    The miller would continue to keep his ‘wooden’ plank for a bat up your derriere as long as you come to the blog trying to discredit the GoB by spreading a whole heap of bullshit propaganda with your gargantuan tissue of lies about the water distributed by the BWA is infected with Covid-19 and his army of friends.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 9 :26 AM

    I do expect governments in the Caribbean to be reactive. Is that not what we elected them to do? We elect governments to research problems that affect our lives and livelihoods and put in place viable solutions. I think they collectively have been doing a reasonably good job. I do not expect miracles to come from very human brains.

    No Our citizens are not indisciplined. They are very human . Yes the level of fear is high. But we should expect that. These are uncharted waters that we are navigating. This is where good leadership comes into play. Please do not ask me to evaluate that. The outcomes are the criteria from which you can make your own judgement.

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  • @Hants

    Good news, what is time to market re mass production? The world is moving super quickly to achieve a semblance of normalcy.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Artax at 10:03 AM

    I concur. For years in my area of work I have always had to interrogate numbers handed to me. Very often anecdotal information alerted me to the errors. I do not think Grenada is the only country that has done this. Our job is to hold up our area of the tent.

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    @TheOG there is a SMALL thing called SCIENCE that doesn’t support John Jacobs theory. John doesn’t even support the SIMPLE MATH that CHUMP LOST by millions of votes. John Boy is specifically fond of BIG LIES.
    Sars-Cov2 would have to be specifically unique to survive water & sewage treatment where other viruses & bacteria have failed. Traces of more rugged microbiological life forms can also be found in waste water. The chlorination process inactivates \ kills these these viruses by the time it gets to the drinking water supply. Viruses cannot survive for extended periods outside a host in the first place. Sars-Cov2 is a virus that INFECTS & MULTIPLIES in mammals.

    @John Boy, I watched this episode of Dr. Phil a few days ago and figured this is what MAY be happening to you. Make sure that there isn’t anyone poisoning you at home. Your mania is troubling to say the least!!!!!. I remember you posted that you were “trembling with laughter”, that trembling COULD be early onset Parkinson’s Disease. Heavy metal poisoning in water could also explain your symptoms!!!. So before you spouting any “theories” check your own water and environment!!!!!!

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  • Ever Heard of Flint Michigan
    How long did it take for authorities to detect lead in the water

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  • A TEENAGER with no underlying health conditions has died after testing positive for Covid.
    The 17-year-old was one of 279 people who died from coronavirus in the past 24 hours in England….(Quote)

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  • “Gazzerts
    Of course you are slow
    Neither did science see or expected the many variants associated with the virus
    COVID is a horse of a different color cant rule nothing out.”

    You rushed in for the kill and left your butt exposed.

    Science expected variants or mutations. That’s what viruses do; they mutate; I believe that’s why we have a different flu vaccine every year.

    If you said “Science did not expect to see many virulent mutations in such a short period”, then you would have been on more solid ground.

    I think you wanted my attention…

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TVMarch 2, 2021 11:14 AM

    Sars-Cov2 would have to be specifically unique to survive water & sewage treatment where other viruses & bacteria have failed.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Complete rubbish.

    The virus that causes polio is spread by drinking water.

    HIV on the other hand can’t.

    If the virus that causes COVID-19 is being routinely found in sewage and wastewater, sure bet it is in drinking water!!!

    All viruses are not created equal!!

    QED

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  • DUUUUUUUUUUUHH!!

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  • Interesting this article.

    Not a single flu case in Singapore since May last year!!

    They are obviously doing something right.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/no-flu-cases-at-spore-polyclinics-in-more-than-8-months

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    @John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt….Clearly your comprehension skills are COMPLETELY SHOT. Viruses in water is NOTHING NEW. Surviving for an extended period (over 3 days) in large bodies of flowing water is less likely. Cholera, Typhoid, Dysentery are BACTERIA which are FAR larger than viruses, hence their chances of surviving would be even higher in untreated water. Your assumption is based on the cross contamination of TREATED, DRINKING water with UNTREATED sewage \ water . If that was so then WHERE ARE THE OTHER CASES OF WATER BORNE DISEASES ORIGINATING FROM DRINKING WATER?? Your jokes are now clearly the rantings of a maniac.

    FYI the flu is spread the same way as the Sars-COV2 virus. Hence the basic hand hygiene and public health measures than have INCREASED since the COVID-19 PANDEMIC would dramatically reduce all other airborne virus cases. It is an indication of how contagious and how pervasive SARS-COV2 is. Another difference is that man has been exposed to the flu far long and has developed more of an immunity to the flu. But just like Sars-COV2 there are flu variants. Flu variants have hit mankind with varying degrees of severity since the 1918 Spanish flu. Even outside these pandemics, flu viruses still kills people worldwide yearly in ALMOST the same way Sars-COV2 is killing people.

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  • JohnMarch 1, 2021 8:18 PM

    Then look at polio.

    It can survive for a few weeks.

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/poliomyelitis/facts

    Transmission
    Humans are the only known reservoir of polio virus.
    The virus is transmitted via droplets or aerosols from the throat and by faecal contamination of hands, utensils, food and water. The majority of transmissions occur through person-to-person contact via the faeco-oral route, although the oro-oral route is also possible.
    The incubation period is approximately 7—10 days (range 4–35 days) and about 24% of infected individuals develop clinical symptoms including fever, headache and sore throat.
    Infected persons are most infectious from 7 to 10 days before and after the onset of symptoms. However, poliovirus is excreted in the stools for up to six weeks.
    Immunodeficient patients can, in rare cases, become asymptomatic chronic carriers of WPV and VDPV.
    Poliovirus can survive at room temperature for a few weeks. Soil, sewage and infected water have been shown to harbour the virus.
    All unimmunised persons are susceptible to the infection. Infants in the first six months may have some protection from passively transferred maternal immunity. Children younger than five years are at highest risk.
    Poliovirus is highly infectious, with sero-conversion rates of 90–100% among household contacts.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Poliovirus can survive at room temperature for a few weeks.

    Soil, sewage and infected water have been shown to harbour the virus.

    … LIKE THE VIRUS THAT CAUSES COVID!!!

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  • In fact the signature is present in sewage and wastewater coming from communities up to a week before members of the communities even exhibit symptoms.

    That is used as a tool to understand and address where it will arise next.

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  • And the tap drips
    And the tap drips
    Drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip
    Drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip
    John is unscientific working from a conclusion backwards in much same way GP claims Bible is the truth because it says it is. 2 x trolls = farting around + frigging in the rigging because there is fuck all else to do.
    Same ill illogic was used to ‘prove’ whites are superior and blacks are inferior by white people.
    ELECTRO (CLASSIC / DETROIT / MODERN)

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    Well then John Boy, do some tests of the DRINKING WATER from several different sources. Tell us if you find any pathogens in significant amounts known to cause disease in HUMANS including POLIO. IF YOU DO then you need to alert the authorities that the drinking water supply isn’t treated properly or has been contaminated post treatment stage.

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TVMarch 2, 2021 4:44 PM

    Well then John Boy, do some tests of the DRINKING WATER from several different sources. Tell us if you find any pathogens in significant amounts known to cause disease in HUMANS including POLIO. IF YOU DO then you need to alert the authorities that the drinking water supply isn’t treated properly or has been contaminated post treatment stage

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That the job of the authorities!!

    We pay them to do it and to get it right.

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  • “Same ill illogic was used to ‘prove’ whites are superior and blacks are inferior by white people.”

    Blacks like John and GP think if they copy them whites they can act like they are superior to the blacks on BU too

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  • @angela cox March 2, 2021 9:43 AM “Neither did science see or expected the many variants associated with the virus.”

    Every single scientist EXPECTED variants. Because that is how infectious diseases work.

    Why don’t you admit that you failed O’level, CXC, Grade 12 biology.

    Stupssseee!!!

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  • @John March 2, 2021 7:44 AM “Why do some have zero deaths and very few cases? The most sensible explanation I can find is water supply.”

    In the case of Dominica very few tourists. And those tourists who do come to Dominica tend to come by cruise ships, and the cruise ships were infected early in the pandemic, and ceased sailing shortly afterwards. Cleaner air for sure. Sweetest air in the world, heavenly air. Walking up those mountains must build stronger lungs. More agriculture, more ground provision and fruit and vegetable production. More eating of what you grow. No fast food chains, [no traffic lights either] so likely less hypertension and diabetes, on the whole I expect a more robust population. Of course clean water too. I’ve drank water directly from the streams in Dominica, I’ve done that in Barbados too, almost daily when I was a child, but not in the last 20 years or so. May NEVER do it again anywhere in the world.

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  • How come the UK Variant in Singapore has not spread since it arrived on December 23?

    Isn’t it supposed to be ultra contagious?

    What is Singapore doing to prevent its spread?

    Is the UK Variant in Dominica and from when?

    Whether it is there or not no spread of COVID period!!

    WHY?!!

    Obviously something peculiar to Singapore and Dominica is at play.

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  • What is it?

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  • Nobody expects the vaccines to prevent the spread or eradicate the virus.

    The best people seem to agree is that it will prevent bad illness.

    It is amazing anyone would accept this outcome.

    My goal is to eradicate the virus!!

    It should be everybody’s.

    One way I have shown is to prevent it getting out of water treatment plants.

    It will die naturally and lockdowns won’t be followed by reinfections and further spreads.

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  • Cuhdear BajanMarch 2, 2021 8:19 PM

    @John March 2, 2021 7:44 AM “Why do some have zero deaths and very few cases? The most sensible explanation I can find is water supply.”

    In the case of Dominica very few tourists. And those tourists who do come to Dominica tend to come by cruise ships, and the cruise ships were infected early in the pandemic, and ceased sailing shortly afterwards

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    Most days in Singapore ALL COVID new cases are imported, ie brought by business people, tourists and whatever visitors arrive.

    What separates us from Singapore is that those cases do not spread.

    Singapore has iron control over water.

    In Dominica too, there is no spread.

    Nature blesses it with a water supply that is difficult to infect.

    It would need a completely inept and utterly evil Government to screw it up.

    The simple truth is that visitors to any country do not want to be marooned with COVID.

    They will do everything in their power to avoid catching it.

    We could tell them, “DON’T DRINK THE WATER” but most don’t as they prefer bottled water!!

    This COVID thing needs a common sense approach to solution.

    Forget the old fake news and just look at the numbers worldwide.

    There is only one objective.

    To make the virus dead in the water.

    Then in all likelihood, we can join Singapore in their success.

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  • Keep deaths and spread separate in your thinking.

    Most of the deaths attributed to COVID have other contributing factors.

    The prime objective is to stop the spread via water.

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  • @ Quaker John

    Do we separate out those who die WITH CoVid and those who die FROM CoVid?

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  • Here is what the internet says about the polio virus.

    “The virus is found in saliva and feces of sick people. It can be spread by direct contact with sick persons or through the air when a sick person talks, coughs, or sneezes. It is also spread by food, water, or hands contaminated with infected feces.”

    I’m saying the spread of the virus that causes COVID must be similar, given observable facts.

    The fact of a spread not happening is just as important a fact to know as is the number of cases involved in the spread.

    Where in Barbados doesn’t it spread?

    That also is a key piece of knowledge.

    Where can I go in Barbados that there is NO COVID?

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  • The press in Barbados could help in the solution by reporting on COVID free and COVID compromised areas.

    The picture that is portrayed is that every square inch of Barbados is compromised by COVID.

    I know for a fact that is not true.

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  • @ Quaker John

    To your knowledge, does the government of Barbados separate out those who die FROM CoVid and those who die WITH CoVid?

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  • @ John March 3, 2021 8:23 AM
    “The press in Barbados could help in the solution by reporting on COVID free and COVID compromised areas.
    The picture that is portrayed is that every square inch of Barbados is compromised by COVID.
    I know for a fact that is not true..”
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    Isn’t “every square inch of Barbados” supplied with “potable” water from the BWA distribution network except where you live, Johnny?

    Or do you get your daily requirements of (pure) water direct from God?

    What you are effectively doing is simply denigrating the country Barbados with the aim of destroying its main forex generator called tourism when you claim that the entire water system is seriously compromised with virus-breeding fecal matter especially in the sea water along the west and south coasts of the island.

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  • MillerMarch 3, 2021 8:53 AM

    @ John March 3, 2021 8:23 AM
    “The press in Barbados could help in the solution by reporting on COVID free and COVID compromised areas.
    The picture that is portrayed is that every square inch of Barbados is compromised by COVID.
    I know for a fact that is not true..”
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    Isn’t “every square inch of Barbados” supplied with “potable” water from the BWA distribution network except where you live, Johnny?

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    NETWORKS!!!

    NOT NETWORK!!!!

    …. and each network is supplied from various wells according to their elevation

    Some will be also fed from the DESAL plant.

    … and each well has a ZONE 1 Restriction around it which is supposed to impose a travel time of 100 days or whatever on the water getting to it.

    … which means it is highly unlikely the virus will reach those well alive

    …EXCEPT THE DESAL PLANT WHICH HAS NO ZONE 1 RESTRICTION AROUND IT AND IS SITUATED IMMEDIATELY IN THE PATH BETWEEN AN EXTREMELY DENSE BUILT UP AREA AND THE SEA..

    Elementary my dear Watson!!

    … but clearly well above your head!!

    WHICH NETWORKS FEED COVID AFFECTED AREAS AND WHICH NETWORKS FEED NON COVID AFFECTED AREAS?

    This is not rocket science.

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  • Everything depends on how well the DESAL plant functions and whether or not it is equipped to prevent the live virus which arrives at it getting into the drinking water supplying whatever NETWORKS it supplies.

    We are just not a maintenance oriented society.

    It isn’t rocket science.

    If there is a single culprit it will in all likelihood be the desal plant!!

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  • Shut it down for a period and see what happens.

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  • @ John March 3, 2021 9:06 AM

    You could be as nitpicking and pedantic as much as you like in order to skirt around the gravamen of the faecal matter.

    But the point remains that all water on the island ends up in the sea (where it comes from in the first place); whether it is by way of the desal plant ‘network’, sewage water infected with viruses (based on your iron-clad claims) or from the BWA wells in the high elevation areas to service households; excluding yours, of course.

    How do people who go into the sea -including the naïve tourists- are able to expertly differentiate (like you are able to) which part of the water is infected with viruses, including your brand of polio and Covid, from the part discharged from your toilet called the ‘John’ from Highland plantation?

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  • It’s all about concentration!!

    If you accept the sea has sewage issues and it bothers you, you won’t go in.

    I haven’t been in the sea on the west coast since the late 80’s and stopped on the south coast in the 90’s.

    The sea on the west coast I won’t be crossing because like many Bajans, I frighten for it and it has no back door.

    I don’t do in the sea in Barbados and most places I go.

    However, if you do go in there is a good chance you won’t have a problem …. remember … the two ministers who went in the sea in St. Lawrence Gap to prove to the rest of us it was ok.

    I remember one was John Boyce but I can’t remember the other fellow’s name.

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  • Look at this zoning proposal.

    If I told you the red blobs are around the pumping stations and are to ensure that bacteria and viruses arrive dead, what would you say about the desal plant?

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  • You will see they want to put a Zone A around the desal plant.

    What do you think that will mean for the housing area?

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  • Guess what, the zoning does not work for chemical contamination.

    Chemicals in solution are already “dead”.

    The issue becomes will they cause cancers?

    Very different from COVID, but clearly of concern.

    A lot more cancer deaths than COVID deaths in Barbados.

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  • The sea on the west coast I won’t be crossing because like many Bajans, I frighten for it and it has no back door.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ooops, east

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  • Hal AustinMarch 3, 2021 8:28 AM

    @ Quaker John

    To your knowledge, does the government of Barbados separate out those who die FROM CoVid and those who die WITH CoVid?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Don’ know.

    You would have to ask God.

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  • An ENT specialist told me in the late 90’s that he could not count the number of tourists who he has seen with ear infections.

    He used to ask them a simple question!!

    Were you in the sea off the Esplanade?

    It doesn’t mean if you go in the sea there you will get an ear infection.

    Just that you probably will.

    I spoke to a tourist years ago who told me he puts brandy in his ears and swims with earplugs.

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  • Singapore does not fool around when it comes to water.

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  • Venezuela donates US$200,000 to Grenada for purchase of Covid-19 vaccines
    Foreign Affairs Minister Oliver Joseph has described Venezuela as a genuine friend to Grenada after disclosing that the South American Spanish-speaking nation is one of the countries that has presented the country with cash to help purchase Covid-19 vaccines

    March 3 2021

    Grenada Now

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  • NorthernObserver

    @ac
    1) it is NOW Grenada, versus Grenada Now. Your effort to quote your source is appreciated.
    2) Venezuela, via Conviasa, is also donating free airfares to Grenada from neighbouring Caribbean nations whom their Gov’t is unable to provide financial help.
    3) I have taken the liberty of booking you onto their March 08, 2021 flight using the name Angela Cox, dep BGI at 2pm, arr GND at 8pm. I am guessing it must stop elsewhere along the way. No ID is required.
    4) You will be staying at the Hotel California.

    cc Artax

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  • @ Angel

    Just ignore stupidity. Some people cannot help looking for cheap laughs. It replaces the need to think.

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  • So what do we call this one. Vaccination tourism.

    “Barbados Could Begin Vaccinating Visitors By End Of April
    by Matt Turner Mar 2, 2021 11:35am
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    Vaccine
    Photo by Getty / E+ / Geber86
    Good news for travelers to the Caribbean: Barbados has announced it is in the process of a mass COVID-19 vaccination program, following the donation of 100,000 doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine from India. It adds, with over 25,000 people—approximately 12.5 percent of the adult population—already receiving their first shots within just two weeks, the island leads the way as the most vaccinated country in the Caribbean.

    The first wave of vaccinations was distributed to frontline workers, including those in the tourism sector, as well as the vulnerable population, including the elderly and persons with comorbidities. Now, all citizens over 18 are coming forward to get their first dose of the vaccine.

    The interesting part is this: To ensure widespread protection, the Government of Barbados has signaled its intent to obtain more doses of the COVID-19 vaccine for persons on island, whether they are citizens or not, by the end of April or early May 2021. Barbados Tourism Marketing Inc. (BTMI) confirmed with Travel Agent that this means that travelers to the island who have not been vaccinated would be able to receive one or more doses.
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    BTMI added that no additional details on this are available yet, so it’s unknown whether the island would be testing for only long-term stays, will prioritize visitors by age or vulnerability, or if any who are interested will be able to receive one—or how.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) describes vaccination as a critical tool in reducing the impact of COVID-19 worldwide.”

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  • Looks like PLT gave up on the government, no more ideas.

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  • Looks like Grenada govt have an ace in the sleeve ( Venezuela) towards their financial in buying vaccine
    Unlike Mottley begging home grown wolves in sheep clothing for help

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  • Covid: Italy ‘blocks’ AstraZeneca vaccine shipment to Australia https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56279202

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  • 29,007 cases in 14,513,982 tests … .0.2%

    Australia is not rushing to vaccinate and following set priorities.

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/first-covid-19-vaccinations-in-australia

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  • Zero deaths in Australia yesterday and day before.

    Check the stats, Australia cool.

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  • Australia has over 900 deaths.

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  • New Zealand too and of course Singapore, Dominica, Greenland … if you need more proof I’ll find it if you want.

    It has to be the lack of control of sewage that is the chief spreader in a country.

    A country in good control of its sewage is a country that protects its citizens from COVID more effectively than a vaccination could ever do.

    Lock down the desal plant and see what happens.

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    Maniac John….the Joseph Goebbels of BU…the purveyor of Disgusting Lies and using it as Propaganda

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

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  • JohnMarch 4, 2021 3:47 PM

    New Zealand too and of course Singapore, Dominica, Greenland … if you need more proof I’ll find it if you want.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh yeah … and Bermuda and Australia

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  • This is why you don’t rush to take anything unless things settle down, too many frauds out there…the island already has reputation for hosting and allowing criminal Canadians to push fake pills across the earth …that harmed people, especially the elderly.

    “Interpol warns fake vaccines seized in China and South Africa are ‘tip of iceberg’
    Police in China and South Africa have seized thousands of fake doses of Covid-19 vaccine

    In China, police successfully identified a network selling counterfeit Covid vaccines in an investigation supported by Interpol. Photograph: Vito Corleone/SOPA Images/REX/Shutterstock
    Agence France-Presse
    Thu 4 Mar 2021 01.25 GMT

    370
    Police in China and South Africa have seized thousands of fake doses of the Covid-19 vaccine, the global police organisation Interpol said on Wednesday, warning this represented only the “tip of the iceberg” in vaccine-related crime.

    The Lyon-based agency Interpol said 400 vials – equivalent to around 2,400 doses – containing the fake vaccine were found at a warehouse in Germiston outside Johannesburg in South Africa, where officers also recovered fake masks and arrested three Chinese and a Zambian national.

    In China, police successfully identified a network selling counterfeit Covid-19 vaccines in an investigation supported by Interpol, which has 194 member countries, it said.

    They raided the manufacturing premises, resulting in the arrest of around 80 suspects and seized more than 3,000 fake vaccines on the scene, it said.

    Interpol earlier this year issued an “Orange Notice” warning authorities worldwide to prepare for organised crime networks targeting Covid-19 vaccines, both physically and online.

    “Whilst we welcome this result, this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Covid-19 vaccine related crime,” said Interpol secretary general Juergen Stock.

    Interpol said that in addition to the arrests in South Africa and China it was also receiving additional reports of fake vaccine distribution and scam attempts targeting health bodies such as nursing homes.

    It warned that no approved vaccines were available for sale online.

    “Any vaccine being advertised on websites or the dark web will not be legitimate, will not have been tested and may be dangerous.”

    Stock had warned in December in an interview with German weekly WirtschaftsWoche of a sharp rise in crime due to the vaccine rollout, with thefts and warehouse break-ins and attacks on vaccine shipments.”

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  • Yesterday

    Singapore New Cases = 19, New Deaths = 0, Total Deaths = 29, Total Cases = 59,998
    New Zealand New Cases = 5, New Deaths = 0, Total Deaths = 26, Total Cases = 2,389
    Australia New Cases = 11, New Deaths = 0, Total Deaths = 909, Total Cases = 29,007
    Dominica, New cases = 0, New Deaths = 0 , Total deaths = 0, Total Cases = 144
    Bermuda, New Cases = 5, New Deaths = 0, Total Deaths = 12, Total Cases = 718
    Greenland New Cases = 1, New Deaths = 0, Total Deaths = 0, Total Cases = 31
    Grenada New Cases = 0, New Deaths = 0, Total Deaths = 1, Total Cases = 148
    St. Vincent New Cases = 0 New Deaths = 0, Total Deaths = 8, Total Cases = 1,645
    Iceland
    etc.
    etc.
    etc.

    They all have one thing in common.

    NO SEWAGE IN DRINKING WATER!!

    They accomplish it in three ways.

    Technology – Singapore, New Zealand, Australia
    Nature – Dominica, Greenland, Grenada, St. Vincent
    Roof collection – Bermuda

    I can add others if you like.

    The desal plant is the obvious culprit here.

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  • Australia 909 deaths. You stated in another comment zero. Take a time out please!

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  • If you have a beef with the owners of the desal plant, why not take them to court?

    It is irresponsible to come here and claim they are pumping sewage through the pipes.

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  • 6 000 families hurting
    By Colville Mounsey
    colvillemounsey@nationnews.com
    Barbados’ welfare numbers are through the roof.
    The situation is so dire that even middle class Barbadians are feeling the pain and clamouring for assistance.
    Government is now trying to fast-track several mitigation programmes to help thousands of Barbadians disadvantaged by the fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic which hit the country hard last year.
    Minister of People Empowerment and Elder Affairs Cynthia Forde said the number of people requiring welfare assistance in Barbados had grown “exponentially” between 2020 and 2021, as thousands of workers were sent home and those already on the breadline continued to struggle.
    Forde told the Weekend Nation that while the overall tally was still to be tabulated, the Household Survival Programme, which was originally designed as a stipend of $600 to be paid to about 1 500 vulnerable households, had now grown to almost 6 000 families.
    In fact, she explained that with the request for assistance still coming in, were it solely up to her, the programme, which had already been extended past the original six-month timeline, would be allowed to continue even further.
    The minister further explained that even a few people from the lower middle-income brackets, such as hotel workers, had now fallen on hard times as a result of the pandemic and need the assistance of the state.
    “We really did have a large volume of persons largely because of the COVID-19 situation, particularly those that were into the tourism sector and then the small businesspeople who had to shut down. That is why the Prime Minister [Mia Amor Mottley] had come up with the notion of ensuring that we cushion those impacted persons, especially if they have children.
    “We came up with the debit card project where we gave $600 every month, which was supposed to be for the first six months but had to be extended to the end of this financial year. However, based on how we are seeing things happening it really is looking to me as though the extension is going to have to happen,” she said, noting that the programme had already paid out $40 million, which was buffered to some extent by corporate Barbados.
    Forde revealed that in the latter part of 2020, that programme had grown to just over 4 000 recipients, but the latest count showed that just around 6 000 families were now depending on those payments. She further disclosed that Government was hoping to expand upon the 60 000 care packages that were being distributed throughout last month’s lockdown, noting that the need for assistance was far-reaching.
    ‘Suffering’
    “This project is vital to keeping persons’ heads above water and in fact I believe that it is the only place in the Caribbean that is pursuing something as significant as this. We want to make sure that every household has something to eat during the lockdown time and after. Poor people are suffering, but I can tell you that we now have groups of persons who are living in the heights and other middle-income communities that are also in pain. This is generally in the tourism sector and many of them are now on the breadline as well,” she lamented Forde also noted that there has also been a rise in the number of people, especially single mothers, who have made request for assistance with housing, as evictions have been on the increase in recent months.
    “The numbers at the Welfare Department have grown significantly not only for the food vouchers, but also for housing. Many people were unable to pay the rent on time as a result of COVID and the Welfare Department has been able to step in and assist to bring down the arrears and ensure that people have shelter,” she stressed.
    Last March, Mottley announced a $20 million “survival” stimulus package even as the country braced for significant loss in revenue and increased expenditure during the beginning stages of the country’s experience with the pandemic.
    In the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure, Mottley announced the immediate establishment of a Household Survival Programme to help around 1 500 vulnerable families. Under this programme, Government provided up to $600 per month to each family through the Welfare Department.

    Source: Nation

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  • So let me get this right, when i posted that info regarding vaccination tourism, i really thought that Mia had already INFORMED THE TAXPAYERS IN BARBADOS WHO PAY HER SALARY about this and only just seconds ago came to learn THAT SHE DID NOT but sent the info to foreign press and magazines..

    ….oh really, while begging Black Bajans for money to fund vaccines for tourists….are you out of your GODDAMN MIND…

    but what do you expect from DISRESPECTFUL SELLOUT NIGAS..

    i really had no idea that the people didn’t know..

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  • “The situation is so dire that even middle class Barbadians are feeling the pain and clamouring for assistance.”

    when you tell the idiots on BU that, they want to pretend it’s not happening, let anyone die from starvation on the island and yall will see, ya already in my bad books for that nastiness and corruption at the supreme court against personal injury claimaints etc…..so keep it up…ah will be happy to BURY ALL OF YOU….planning to anyway..

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  • DavidMarch 5, 2021 5:35 AM

    Australia 909 deaths. You stated in another comment zero. Take a time out please!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I never said Australia had zero deaths.

    If you look at the graph I posted you would understand that Australia has overcome their challenge.

    I am glad you noticed because hopefully, you will go and check!!

    You will also see Australia and New Zealand are working together.

    Lock down the desal plant.

    It is the most likely source of the continued spread.

    Get help from Singapore and audit its processes.

    COVID can be defeated in the water.

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  • Have been hearing rumors for a while but this is something worth confirming.

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  • David / John;

    John (and BU as an unwitting conduit) is spreading unverified, dangerous, irresponsible fake opinions. eg “Lock down the desal plant. It is the most likely source of the continued spread (of Covid-19).”.

    Any further postings along that line by John should be banned as it seeks to undermine the use of the most basic resource for our survival on this Island. i,e Total access to clean water.

    John’s argument makes absolutely no sense especially since no information has been given that there is or was any abnormal incidence of Covid-19 in those communities which use desal water and no dangerous outflow of live covid-19 particles has been demonstrated anywhere from desalination of brackish water and that very regular testing is conducted of desalinated water afaik. The only basis that John gives for his false assertion is that desalination is the most likely source of the continued spread of Covid-19. But positivity rates for Covid 4 have actually been decreasing since mid February and are now at under 4% for the past 3 days.

    It is THE BIG LIE

    Some action needs to be taken to stop him spreading it immediately.

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  • Hotel industry gets 300million of taxpayers.money meanwhile 6000 bajans struggling to make ends meet and the welfare system and NIS cant find resources to aid barbadians Shame Shame Shame

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  • “Any further postings along that line by John should be banned as it seeks to undermine the use of the most basic resource for our survival on this Island. i,e Total access to clean water.”

    isn’t one of the tiefing, racist, covetous minorities who wanted to get the BWA for free…bizzy (gimme) the one controling the desal plant at a cost of 25 million a year or more to taxpayers and still nothing to show……negro John is the messenger….the danger lies in allowing thieves racists and frauds any control at all over the island’s water or food supply.

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  • Wura

    It should be in Bizzee’s interest to provide data on the testing of the desal plant’s water.

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  • @Lyall

    John is a Barbados scholar.

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  • Lyall …I thought all info in that regard would come directly from the desal plant ..or from the government who pick up taxpayer’s dollars by the tens of millions like if it’s theirs and pay to these crooks…..and not from some brain-damaged blogger.

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  • Govt ought to ashamed to put statements in the media in reference to the awful state of the NIS and Welfare Boatd
    Isnt this the same govt who has offered Tourist refunds
    Let the big Cruise Industry docked in barbados waters exempt of docking fees
    Waiver unpaid taxes for big. Corporations
    Now people mostly black are sufferingg and all gpvt has is long talk fot these poor people

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  • I think former DLP ministers like Chris Sinckler should fill up the NIS with their private wealth and their high pensions.

    Also, all former DLP ministers and all civil servants with DLP party papers should forgo a government-funded COVID19 vaccination and pay for it themselves – as reparations for 10 years of economic terror and racism against the black masses. We must by no means look only to Richard Drax for restitution, but also to his willing helpers.

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  • TheOGazertsMarch 5, 2021 5:49 AM

    If you have a beef with the owners of the desal plant, why not take them to court?

    It is irresponsible to come here and claim they are pumping sewage through the pipes.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The owners of the plant, or rather the GOB from whom I purchased water have not caused me any damage.

    I’ve not lost any loved ones in Barbados.

    I am also at an elevation at which it is unlikely that I get any water from the desal plant.

    However, with my knowledge and experience I know what can happen in a production process.

    I would be at fault if I did not apply what God has given me to the solution of the problem.

    The only pipes through which sewage/waste water would flow would be the input pipes to the plant.

    That’s just a fact of life because of the heavily built up area around it.

    No one could dispute that unless somehow a sewage system had miraculously appeared in the areas I know have to be affecting the input.

    The most likely source of virus in the drinking water if it were present would have to be the desal plant.

    In fact, if you look at the WHO standards it is acceptable to have up to a certain level of dissolved solids in drinking water,

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  • If on the other hand, families of loved ones lost could prove that their loved ones lived in an area which was supplied by the GOB with water and that could be proved to be the reason for the demise of their loved ones, those families might feel themselves aggrieved and seek redress against the GOB.

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  • I told you from the beginning that the GOB was going to break the NIS.

    It needs a solution and I believe I am giving it one.

    Lock down the desal plant and see what happens.

    Link the 11 or more hot spots to one or more reservoirs and see if the desal plant is the common denominator.

    Learn from the countries that have overcome it.

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  • JohnMarch 5, 2021 8:13 AM

    DavidMarch 5, 2021 5:35 AM

    Australia 909 deaths. You stated in another comment zero. Take a time out please!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I never said Australia had zero deaths.

    If you look at the graph I posted you would understand that Australia has overcome their challenge.

    I am glad you noticed because hopefully, you will go and check!!

    You will also see Australia and New Zealand are working together.

    Lock down the desal plant.

    It is the most likely source of the continued spread.

    Get help from Singapore and audit its processes.

    COVID can be defeated in the water.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The last reported death in Australia was on December 28th 2020 when one single person succumbed.

    The one before that was on November 30th when one person succumbed.

    Australia has got it, like New Zealand, Singapore, Dominica, Greenland, Bermuda Iceland etc etc etc.

    There has to be a second means of spreading it besides droplets.

    I say it has to be water.

    These countries obviously have their water in control and reap the benefits for their citizens.

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  • Here is the graph for Australia I posted.

    Notice they got their new cases to close to zero after their second “wave”.

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  • This is us.

    We now got problems.

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  • NorthernObserver

    @ac
    “Govt ought to ashamed to put statements in the media in reference to the awful state of the NIS and Welfare Boatd”
    Should they say nothing? They may well be ashamed, but are they speaking mistruths? Is the NIS in sound financial condition?
    The NIS is a spinning battle you will not win. Best to leave alone.

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  • @ John March 5, 2021 1:28 PM
    “I told you from the beginning that the GOB was going to break the NIS.
    It needs a solution and I believe I am giving it one.
    Lock down the desal plant and see what happens.
    Link the 11 or more hot spots to one or more reservoirs and see if the desal plant is the common denominator.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes indeed, the ‘locking down of the desal plant’ will definitely provide the GoB with ‘the final solution’ to the ‘broke’ NIS.

    Where would the people currently serviced by the same desal plant get their share of vital water whose curtailment will definitely lead to death. Hence, the elimination of liabilities both current and future since dead people can make NO claims on the cracked and fast leaking ‘fixed’ money pot.

    What you are postulating here is that the desal plant is the only ‘reservoir ‘ affected by the underground movement of the virus carrying human faecal-infected water.

    We have on more than one previous occasion posed this conundrum to you which you have evaded like how Covid-19 has avoided infecting your personal god-given share of water.

    But we will try one more time to get you to exit your pit toilet for a ‘john’ by filtering out the ‘solid shit’ from your watery and rather smelly discharges of verbal effluence of pure hot air.

    What about the thousands of suck wells sunk on the properties of the thousands of households right cross the tiny island of Barbados?

    Don’t these suck wells also supply Covid-infected sewage to underground conduits which lead to the very sources of water for the BWA’s other reservoirs like the Belle?

    Or are you stating in the most unequivocal manner that only the members in households served by the desal plant are covid-19 carriers in Barbados?

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