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Submitted by Grenville Phillips, Leader of Solutions Barbados

I listened to our Prime Minister give an interview on ABC Australia, part of which was carried on CBC-TV news on 17 Sep 2020.  In it, the Prime Minister explained that Barbadians will not be allowed a referendum, to decide on whether they support Barbados becoming a Republic.

Our Prime Minister must know that she cannot do that.  Our Attorney General, all the lawyers in the BLP and DLP, our Governor General, and all our judges should know that she cannot do that.  Yet, she noted that she will follow NIKE and “just do it”.

Our Prime Minister is not a dictator, so she must have a proverbial ‘Ace’ up her sleeve.  In the interview, she revealed it.  She justified her approach by explaining her belief that Barbadians elected her to do it.  Let me quote her.

“We certainly campaigned on it in the manifesto, that while we committed to referendum on other issues, we did not on this one, and we made it clear that this is where we believe the country must go.”

WAS IT CLEAR?

As the leader of the third largest political party in Barbados, and on behalf of the thousands of Barbadians who voted for Solutions Barbados in the last General Election, I had to investigate this claim.  Because either I was suffering from some sort of memory loss and had to resign, or our Prime Minister inadvertently misspoke.

I reread the BLP’s 2018 Manifesto.  There was no mention of any plan to make us a Republic.  On the matter of referenda, page 45 states:

“Introducing National Dialogues, National Referenda and consulting with Barbadians on major national issues, such as the decriminalisation of recreational marijuana.”

Is changing our system of government to a Republic, not more of a major national issue than decriminalising recreational marijuana?

I then read the BLP’s 2016 Covenant of Hope.  Again, there was no plan to make us a Republic.  On the mater of referenda, Page 22 states:

“We support the use of People’s Initiatives, as well as the mechanism of Referenda, to ensure that our citizens may influence the work of our Parliament and our Executive. This permits our people, and not only Parliamentarians, to have an appropriate role in decision-making on fundamental issues affecting the stability and cohesion of our nation. This must always follow an intensive public education programme.”

If fundamentally changing our system of government to a Republic, does not qualify as a fundamental issue affecting the stability and cohesion of our nation, then what does?

WHAT WENT WRONG?

So, where could our Prime Minister have gotten the idea, that a Republic plan was in their campaign manifesto?  I decided to investigate.  I read the BLP’s 2013 Manifesto, but there is no mention of a Republic plan.  So, I read the BLP’s 2008 Manifesto, and there it was, on page 77:

“Update the Constitution Review Commission recommendations on replacing the Crown with a Barbadian President and proceed to consult the public fully by way of a referendum”

Clearly the BLP’s stated intent was to measure the public’s support, of our politicians’ desire for a Barbadian Republic, by a national referendum.  So, what happened?’

One possible explanation is that a plan to make Barbados a republic without a national referendum, was in an early draft of the BLP’s 2018 Manifesto.  Since the BLP cannot force Barbados to become a republic, that plan was abandoned.  Whatever the explanation, the BLP does not have a mandate to make us a Republic.

Without a mandate from the people to make us a Republic, the BLP needs to go back to the drawing board.  To become a Republic, there must be support from both the Government and the Public.  The public’s support is normally measured by a national referendum.  No referendum, no republic.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer and President of Solutions Barbados. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-17/barbados-prime-minister-phil-williams-republic-mia-mottley/12675372?nw=0


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330 responses to “No Referendum, no Republic!”


  1. PachamamaSeptember 18, 2020 9:23 PM

    The demise of Ruth Bader Ginsburg has deep meanings for our world, empire’s nadir, in this time of Aquarius.

    Tectonic changes will continue to engulf us all.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For heaven’s sakes, she was 87 and ailing for ages.


  2. Cuhdear BajanSeptember 18, 2020 8:48 PM

    @John September 18, 2020 3:28 PM “Everything Trump said he would do he has done or in the process of doing.”

    How is that big, beautiful wall coming along?

    And has he collected the money to build it from those pesky Mexicans yet?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you mean the wall Mexico has constructed on its southern border, guards each day and pays for each day?


  3. @ Tron September 18, 2020 9:04pm

    Pull back the reins a bit. St. Vincent elections set for December 2020. Let’s see if the blossoms bloom. De natives said 19 years in office is it…For de RG’S Family.

    Don’t ask what does BDS has to do with St. Vincent….


  4. That’s why Trump is not a traditional politician, he delivers.


  5. @John

    You have made a point give the Trump nothingness a rest.


  6. I could not read past “third largest political party in Barbados”. The last time I read anything about the Solutions party, it stated “Grenville Phillips II has been unanimously re-elected as president, to lead Solutions Barbados for another one-year term.” Queries about the other elected members were never answered. I too, like Greene, am not a fan of governing by referenda–whether legalisation of cannabis, same-sex marriage or a republic. Imagine a referendum for independence?


  7. stop jumping out to impress before you know where an article came from, in this case I only took a portion of the article because it was long, I don’t have shit to prove to you…..you are the attacker, it’s incumbent on you to prove where that article come from….i don’t post to impress and attack, I post to INFORM.

    Xxxxxxxx

    PRAY TELL ME “MISS CUT AND PASTE” WHO ON THIS BLOG I WOULD BE TRYING TO IMPRESS ON BU WHERE MY SOURCE OF INCOME OR REVENUE IS NOT DERIVED FROM.

    YOU POST 6 TIMES MORE THAN ANYONE ON THE BLOG ON ALMOST EVERY TOPIC AND HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT BY MANY OTHERS.

    LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU POINT FINGERS.

    BEING IGNORANT AND PIG HEADED WHEN ONE IS CORRECTED AND ACTING LIKE A SPOILT CHILD SAYS MORE ABOUT YOU THAN ME.

    ENJOY YOUR NIGHT.


  8. MillerSeptember 18, 2020 5:25 PM

    Miller, Actually I totally agree with you. There is no need to take the matters of the legalisation of same sex unions and the legalisation of marijuana to referendum.

    This is pandering to the zealots in society who seek to control everything that any adult person with liberty is allowed to do, in a civilised society. Whether these zealots are individuals, or organisations, this is wrong in principle.

    I agree that sexual acts, of whatever kind or tendency, certain acts of consumption, such as smoking, whether tobacco or weed, in public can be criminalised, as these may be seen to ‘corrupt public morals’ i.e. children etc, in private and in the confines of ones property or personal space, there can be no such corruption.

    Further, what are these morals based on? On a Bible, written by men, amended by men, as taking greater precedence than the ancestral beliefs of the population majority?

    While the authorities ignored the same Bible for centuries, that ostensibly, by inference in use, allowed the enslavement of people, torture and mass torture of masses?

    Look, who wants to believe in the Bible, that is good for them, I may or may not be one. But to use it to support rules for a modern post slavery civilisation is absurd.

    People can use it to guide their own lives, but not as a bat to herd others into a mentality of subservience.

    Even moreso, because the archives of history are not even opened to the public. Ask the Vatican to allow journalists (understood that to have everyone running roughshod over the papers could destroy such old manuscripts) of all creeds and origins to have open access to all records.

    In short, I agree with you Miller, the referendum for these two matters is unnecessary and pandering to a lot of hocus pocus mentality.

    Time to move on and be courageous in spirit and bold in action. Unshackle the chains of mental slavery for all and remain resolute in aim.

    We would expect that this aim is for a just society, a progressive society, a society of compassion not bigotry, one of love, not hate, one of confidence, not fear of what retribution may spring, not from the heavens, but from the mental umbilical cords of the plantation era.

    Life truly unchained.

  9. Critical Analyzer Avatar

    @Grenville Philips II and Every Last Commenter Thus Far
    I am extremely disappointed in all of you wasting time with the Republic and Referendum BS talk. Not one person ask about cost or you all to frighten to ask. How many millions of dollars will going Republic cost us, the Taxpayers?

    Somebody please tell me, How is going Republic is going to benefit Bajans outside of foolish Bragging Rights.:
    1) Is it going to help the government stop bonding my nursing family and friends into slavery, going work everyday and crying every month when they get promise every month and not one red cent them ain’t get paid for months on end?
    2) Is it going to help the patients waiting for tests and treatment at the QEH get it before their conditions worsen and they dead?
    3) Is it going to make government work better?
    4) Is it going to get us to all row the SS Barbados in same direction and stop the political divisive debates we seem so content with and can ill afford at this time?


  10. John

    You have been consistently the little baccra boy you have always been.

    Is the numerical basis the only meaning of a life. How ignorant!

    In any case, we would prefer a dead Ginsburg to a living Trump on horse back.


  11. Baje…still waiting for you to prove the article did not come from the African Heritage Foundation…..
    🤣😂😂😂

    Oh, I enjoyed my night, it was super, did not attach anyone nor made an ass of myself on a blog seen by hundreds of thousands of people worldwide..

    ignorant is jumping out to attack and ya have no proof, and ya so brilliant, all ya had to do was ask me where I got the article, BEFORE making a fool of yaself, I rarely keep information from people unless I know that info could cause them problems……….the negro condition…trying to pull down another Black person and ending up looking stupid and too embarrassed to find and post the article…

    “How many millions of dollars will going Republic cost us, the Taxpayers?”

    no one asked because it’s in keeping with the knowledge that everything DBLP does and have done for 60 years is to ROB the taxpayers, pensioners and steal everything from the Black population keeping them in generational BONDAGE……so there is no need to ask..

    “2) Is it going to help the patients waiting for tests and treatment at the QEH get it before their conditions worsen and they dead?”

    They are trying their utmost best to KILL ALL OF YOU…they are well aware the medical marijuana can help alleviate a lot of the suffering of most chronic conditions, but she already gave the permission to her minority friends, NO BLACK ALLOWED, unless it’s family, friends and hangerson….yardfowls will have to beg…remember Patrick King..


  12. “Miller, Actually I totally agree with you. There is no need to take the matters of the legalisation of same sex unions and the legalisation of marijuana to referendum”

    we also see the slimy Mia strategy, take to referenda what would cause the people to gossip all year round, gays and marijuana, salacious rumor-mongering and malicious accusing……and argue amongst themselves…for years about those two topics….while they are distracted with that utter shit, they are being robbed of their most basic freedoms along with ALL THEIR MONEY…

    ….but NEVER GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY to participate in making decisions surrounding anything to do with their OWN FREEDOM………they are COLONIAL JAILERS…as they were trained by colonizers ……this government is ANTI-BLACK and very DANGEROUS and destructive to the people…but everyone already knows that…..the people have always known, but are socialized by both dirty sell-out governments over decades to be hypocrites and pretenders, not even caring about their future or that of their children and grandchildren….but me thinks with all the self-attention seeking exposure…they have finally bitten off a whole lot more than they can chew, eyes bigger than their stomachs….the months going forward will tell the tale…


  13. Another ego trip for Miss Mottley.
    This one is going to cost millions and be of no use whatsoever to the average Bajan.
    This decision like so many others she has made is going to reduce our tourist arrivals especially from the United Kingdom.
    Ask her newly appointed port chairman crooked Peter Odle how many cancellations he has had at ‘his’ hotels since this announcement..


  14. Trump and Johnson are representatives of a dysfunctional troll culture and the inherent racism of the white majority where the new and next manifestation of racism is abuse of power in politics, which is not a comeback it is reverting back to old ways of 30 years ago and past 400 years of global institutional racism.
    Idiots like John and Grenville embrace propagate and serve the psyops tropes and memes of white racists.
    Whenever Grenville speaks on BU, it becomes obvious why DLP got no seats, as he is mentally retarded and his thoughts are twisted by his manipulative mind. (And the same goes for John Knox daily and repeatedly)
    In UK 24,500 complained to OFCOM TV regulators about a #BLACKLIVESMATER artistic dance act enacting murder of George Floyd on “Britain’s Got Talent” semi-final’s episode, claiming it was racist against whites. When you check out the video on youtube it has 78K likes and 23K dislikes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzFNKFitHjw


  15. When all is said and done the following will be the result
    Barbados would have a President
    More crime and murder
    Sex unions and more people crawling out the closet
    Politicians included
    Lawlessness amongst the youth because of lack of jobs
    Weed smokers polluting the air
    And a truck load of more debt
    Cheers to the new and improved Republic called Barbados


  16. “Sex unions and more people crawling out the closet :: :: Weed smokers polluting the air”

    (a) You cannot knock something unless you have tried it and (b) You cannot tell others what they can or cannot do

    ▶ Nobody’s Business

    ▶ Nobody’s Business
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz6RcitCTYc


  17. EnuffSeptember 18, 2020 11:33 PM

    Imagine a referendum for independence?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What exactly triggers a referendum?

    Back in 1966, the Colonial Office decided to be rid of Barbados and it was so!!

    We can’t imagine a referendum for Independence because the Colonial Office would have had to call it and it might have gone against their wishes.


  18. PachamamaSeptember 19, 2020 3:54 AM

    John

    You have been consistently the little baccra boy you have always been.

    Is the numerical basis the only meaning of a life. How ignorant!

    In any case, we would prefer a dead Ginsburg to a living Trump on horse back.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Never seen or heard of Trump riding a horse.

    You got your wish!!


  19. ignorant is jumping out to attack and ya have no proof, and ya so brilliant, all ya had to do was ask me where I got the article, BEFORE making a fool of yaself, I rarely keep information from people unless I know that info could cause them problems……….the negro condition…trying to pull down another Black person and ending up looking stupid and too embarrassed to find and post the article…

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE STILL SEEING YOUR PERIOD WHICH HAVE YOU BLINDED BY ALL THE RED.

    YOU POSTED BULLSHIT AND NOT TRUE FACTS IRREGARDLESS WHERE YOUR PEA BRAIN CUT AND PASTE IT FROM.

    IF CORRECTING YOU ON THE FACTS IS PULLING DOWN A BLACK PERSON YOU ARE MORE SILLIER THAN I THOUGHT.


  20. Quaker John

    Is there any reference to referenda in our constitution? Is the outcome of a referendum binding on the government?


  21. Far be it for me to tell anyone how to live their lives
    However one should give thought to how ones way of living can impact a whole society in a negative or positive manner
    There is where the rubber meets the road and common sense must have the last and final word


  22. Maybe you’ve heard of a mixed metaphor and have an inkling into the American political saying concerning fools with power and the juxtaposition of actors.

    You Bajan baccra have always known toooo little about toooo much.


  23. Hal AustinSeptember 19, 2020 7:17 AM

    Quaker John

    Is there any reference to referenda in our constitution? Is the outcome of a referendum binding on the government?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Probably not. Probably not!!

    Will the change to a republic result in a new constitution?

    The closest thing I can think of to a country with a Westminster style of Government breaking ties with its former superiors is BREXIT.

    A referendum was called and it does seem to be binding on government.

    Maybe the precedent has been set at source and a referendum is required.


  24. … and it will be binding on government.


  25. Has Britain set the precedents?


  26. Baje…in all ya faux enlightenment…ya missing the point…I DID NOT WRITE THE ARTICLE…and I ALWAYS POST ARTICLES from the African Heritage Foundation…because it’s a CAUSE that Is worth taking up…..don’t blame me if you don’t know how to defend a cause….you were warned by me already that you can post without being contradictive or trying to one-up or impress and razzle-dazzle with bullshit, if you were on the blog solely to be an activist, you would not have exposed yaself to my ridicule..

    suck it up and grow up..


  27. JohnSeptember 19, 2020 7:59 AM Untrue on multiple counts. Are you being deliberately obtuse or merely misunderstand the facts?

    Many of the former colonies have gone Republic. Trinidad is one prime example. Those would be the precedents, if one were required.

    However, the Constitution of Barbados does not require such precedents to be considered.

    On Brexit, the referendum was not actually binding in law, however, the Tory government took it upon themselves to hold to the referendum, probably due to special interests, despite the referendum result barely scraping a simple majority, far from the international norm of a two thirds majority required for constitutional changes.


  28. The Throne Speech

    There is much in the recently delivered Throne Speech for Barbadians to think about. The Statement represents a fairly bold and thoughtful attempt to come to grips with the array of issues that confront us, even if some concerns raised in the narrative might justifiably be described as ‘misplaced priorities,’ though not altogether irrelevant.
    Historically speaking, perhaps the most significant change is the decision that by November 30, 2021, Barbados will become a Republic. This represents a major constitutional repositioning. It is an issue on which I have, to use President Obama’s term ‘evolved’. I don’t think there is likely to be much resistance on that particular matter.
    Although the personage of ‘The Queen’ still carries some respect, the sentimental appeal of the House of Windsor has dissipated particularly among a younger generation of Barbadians who never sang ‘God Save the Queen’ and were not educated or misseducated in ‘The Great School House of Empire.’ Today the young Royals of the Windsor Dynasty are seen more as celebrities than as representatives of revered ‘Majesty.’ A statement reportedly emanating from Buckingham Palace has already suggested that the Government and people of Barbados are free to do as they see fit. Ultimately what matters is what kind of Republic we fashion.
    Another issue is the sanctioning of same-sex civil unions with a proposed referendum on the legalisation of same-sex marriage. This has apparently become a priority because it is claimed that on this score, Barbados has a human rights problem.
    One is not sure that Barbados has or has ever had, a human right issue with regard to homosexuality. In fact unlike Jamaica, Barbadians as anyone growing up in the Eagle Hall area could testify had an amazing tolerance with gay and lesbian people. The most they were subjected to, was a ‘snigger’ to their faces and a ‘laugh’ behind their backs. One wonders how the proposed referendum on gay marriage will be worded.
    Bajans may agree to civil unions in a secular court, but they will not sanction same sex marriage with the benefits of clergy. That day may come, but it is not today or the day after.
    The march of the LGBTQ community is part of the globalisation of culture. Barbadians will be called upon to decide on their own collective moral identity. Some people are born gay, some adopt gaiety. Who did sin? This man or his fore-parents that he was born blind? Gay people should be protected by law and straight people must be protected from the aggressive unnatural affections of sexually inverted persons. Beyond that: ‘Live and let live.’ The Mottley administration was expected to be liberal on social policy issues. It now proposes to amend the Drug Abuse (Prevention and Control) Act whereby the possession of 14 grammes or half once or less of cannabis will no longer be a chargeable office tried in court. The changes allows for a ticket system by which an individual having half-ounce or less would have 30 days to pay a $200 fine. One wonders how workable the ticket system is likely to be and would it not require as much or more legal and police work than before the amendment. The real question is: Would not any level of decriminalisation not lead to greater drug, escapism and delusion among an already endangered youth? In the economic sphere the Throne Speech makes provision for two major strategies.
    One is for a one year $40 million COVID- 19 Relief program. The other is for a $300 million stimulus package under a Barbados Employment and Sustainable Transformation (BEST) program.
    The Tourism sector and other affiliated services are arguably the hardest hit by the pandemic. The August 22 edition of ‘The Economist’ notes that while the Caribbean has fared well in terms of limiting confirmed infections, the economic consequences of the pandemic have been more disastrous.
    Recently Neil Walters of the Caribbean Tourism Authority stated that there was a 50 percent decline in tourist arrivals up to June. Up to June the U.S market declined by 60.1 percent, the Canadian by 43.8 and Europe by 54.8 percent. The Barbados Central Bank regarded by The Economist as ‘an especially good reporter of data’ notes that Barbados economy contracted by 27 percent in the second quarter compared with the same period in 2019. More than a fifth of workers filed for unemployment benefit. The Caribbean tourism sector is too big to fail and the hundreds of laid-off employers in the sector cannot be allowed to fall into penury.
    The objective of recapitalising the operations of the hospitality sector is vital. Stimulus cannot continue indefinitely and ultimately the outcome will depend on the return of the visitors to our shores.
    The Speech contains the usual plans for reskilling and training of displaced workers. Then there are proposals for a digital bank, broader local ownership in the renewable energy sector and a junior stock exchange to enhance micro and small business. One is often sceptical of these promises, particularly when no timelines are given and the details are still to be fleshed out. Too often we never hear about the implementation and subsequent effectiveness of many of these schemes. They invariably remain ‘happy talk’, part of the rhetoric of a so-called ‘transformational culture’ aimed at producing what Owen Arthur called a new entrepreneurial culture and a new entrepreneurial class. Hopefully somewhere within the pages of the Throne speech there is something that will turn out to be truly ‘transformational.’

    Ralph Jemmott is a respected retired educator.

     

    Source: Barbados Today


  29. JohnSeptember 19, 2020 8:00 AM Has Britain set the precedents?

    The only precedent that the current Trump satellite government is setting, is the attempt to break international law, in the breaking of the Withdrawal Agreement.

    That, if it goes through, is going to cause significant international diplomatic issues for Britain going forward. Because any trade agreement that they agree thenceforth, will be subject to this precedent and therefore, virtually worthless.

    The UK Government’s Chief Legal Advisor has resigned over this, as he is obviously a man of principle and cannot abide nonsense.


  30. Boy oh boy!

    Wuhnuh frighten to stand on your own two feet like humans??????

    Wuhnuh crying because tourists who want to visit the country of black people on their knees serving the white queen do not want to see us standing upright?

    Any tourist who cancels for this reason why do you think that is?

    Wuhnuh like crawling on hands and knees like a prostitute in a sado-masochistic sex game?


  31. CrusoeSeptember 19, 2020 8:15 AM

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If a Government holds a referendum and then claims not be bound by the result there will be trouble.

    Britain is the source of the Westminster style of Government and the precedent it has set is there to be followed or not.


  32. Cuhdear Bajan,

    “Hater” is what Grenville the Clown used to call me for pointing out his deficiencies just as you have so “sweetly” done here.

    It wasn’t any truer in my case than in yours.

    Hence the quotation marks.


  33. David September 19, 2020 8:20 AM

    Mr.Jemmott made an important distinction in the same sex issue. The Government can and will implement changes to enable same sex civil unions.

    However, quite insightfully, he has noted that the task of having the churches agree to marriages being conducted within their jurisdiction may be an uphill battle, therefore, the Mottley administration has set that aside and focused on what is actually important. Mr.Jemmott has therefore clarified what some people have been asking.


  34. i am not a fan of MAM for all the reasons I have outlined in my many postings about her. She is intelligent and able but has no follow through, nevertheless she is not always wrong. Her Throne Speech and the objectives therein may have not been well thought out and may have been put together for deflection.

    That notwithstanding I have no real objection to them, on the face of it. Yeah the Throne Speech was long and laced with Bajanisms and there will be a lot of problems procedure wise. For instance, if the police stop a someone with some cannabis in St Joseph not near a police station, how would the police know it violates the legal amount or is indeed cannabis? how long is it going to take to get all the systems in place for ticketing? as an aside i have always believed that the use of abuse of drugs or what we refer to as illegal drus was never a legal problem but a medical one and we should have looked for a medical solution and not a legal one, although this does not strictly apply to cannabis. With regard to cannabis, it should be treated like cigarettes with all the attendant restrictions, warning and age limitations.

    Getting back to the Throne speech- single sex civil unions is a cop out by MAM. It is the same thing as common law marriage for heterosexual couples. Why not go all the way and legislate single sex marriage? That there should be a referendum for singe sex marriage with the civil union stop gap shows a lack of confidence in ability to get the measure agreed by the public. The stop gap is just there for cover. The public gets its say- a defeat for the measure and the satisfaction that there will be no single sex marriage, and the LGBTQRXP community gets their single sex unions. That way no one is totally satisfied but no one is totally disappointed either and MAM wins. Another thing- sodomy is still on the law books in Bim. MAM never spoke to this and given this administration not so recent legal faux pas it is likely that they overlooked this. An easy fix- repeal the Sodomy Act.

    Going republic is neither here nor there to me. Bim is independent with the Queen the nominal head of state via our own GG. Neither has any power to direct the affairs of Bim. So whether we go republic or not is no big deal legally, socially or economically. That depends though on how the republic is constructed. If we go the American style with an elected President well that changes things. If we go the TT route it is just a matter of a president or whatever name we choose replacing the GG and some other names changes here and there. In typical MAM style there was no details as to which one MAM will pick.

    This leads into cost and consequences- I cant begin to discuss those issues regarding the American style of republic. It is too involved with a lot of known unknowns and unknown unknowns. The TT style costs us very little except for some letter head, and legal changes via the law which is easy enough to do. Just copy and paste from the TT constitution.

    My view
    It is my view that instead of jumping into to this matter and going full bore for the stated date of Nov 2021, we take a time out and look at reforming the governance system. Is there a need for the senate? Should it be elected? Let me say that i am not a fan of a unicameral legislature neither i am a fan of an non-elected secondary legislature. I believe there should be a check and balance body made up of 12 persons from each parish and independent of politics or rather political parties. The details would occupy too much time and space to discuss in full here but i got the idea from listening to George Lamming’s views of the workings of Govt and reform thereof. Check YouTube for details

    Referenda
    i am no fan of leadership by referenda. It is a cop out- that word again. Does Govt consult the public for the majority of the things it does? When it raises taxes does it ask the public vote or opinion? So why when certain matters come up either the Govt wants to pass the decision to the public or the public agitate for a say? Nonsense i say. When Govt wants something it just does it. The public be damned. It is when it does not care about the outcome or wants to absolve itself of blame that it does the referendum thing. MAM does not care about the single sex marriage outcome- the stop gap single sex civil union is in place. She cares about going republic though as it will cement her and the BLP’s place in the history books on par with Independence, a long source of jealousy and envy for the BLP. That is why it will be done around Independence and if there isn’t given a special Republic Day it will be celebrated the same day as independence therefore fusing the two and forever linking MAM and the BLP with Barrow and the DLP. For that reason there was and will be no referendum for becoming republic.

    Elections have consequences
    For those wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth about republicanism and single sex marriage / civil unions not being included in the BLP manifesto and if they were, there were promises of referenda to decide, boohoo. Elections have consequences. You elected MAM. These are the consequences. “Gimme de vote and watch muh.” You did. Now watch


  35. @Crusoe

    Donna also clarified it in this forum.


  36. The UK government’s chief legal officer is the attorney general. She has not resigned. The permanent secretary in the ministry of justice has resigned, and so has the advocate general in Scotland.


  37. JohnSeptember 19, 2020 8:24 AM CrusoeSeptember 19, 2020 8:15 AM If a Government holds a referendum and then claims not be bound by the result there will be trouble. Britain is the source of the Westminster style of Government and the precedent it has set is there to be followed or not.

    +++++++++
    Irrelevant. The point is that legally the referendum was not binding, it was made clear that it was guidance and was a choice by the government of the day. Another government could choose not to at a later date.


  38. @Greene

    The distinction between same sex marriage and same sex unions was explained by Jemmott and others in this forum. One is a hurdle that can be leaped more easily than the other.

    Is it possible moving to a republic can be a forerunner to the deep reform you wish for?

    Political parties tend to shout referendum when confronted with wedge issues. It is a PR tactic.


  39. CrusoeSeptember 19, 2020 8:28 AM

    David September 19, 2020 8:20 AM

    Mr.Jemmott made an important distinction in the same sex issue. The Government can and will implement changes to enable same sex civil unions.

    However, quite insightfully, he has noted that the task of having the churches agree to marriages being conducted within their jurisdiction may be an uphill battle, therefore, the Mottley administration has set that aside and focused on what is actually important. Mr.Jemmott has therefore clarified what some people have been asking.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Amazed Ms. Mockley would be constrained by the church!!


  40. She is contrainted by optics and shoring up popularity with 2023 approaching.


  41. Getting back to the Throne speech- single sex civil unions is a cop out by MAM. It is the same thing as common law marriage for heterosexual couples. Why not go all the way and legislate single sex marriage? That there should be a referendum for singe sex marriage with the civil union stop gap shows a lack of confidence in ability to get the measure agreed by the public…(Quote)

    Wrong. You do not need legal permission to set up as a so-called common law couple. However, a civil union must have rights; what are they? Will the union be registered? Will the civil partner have inheritance rights? Be next of kin? If they are separating would they need legal permission, ie divorce? What about the age of consent? A right of adoption? Pension and property rights?


  42. CrusoeSeptember 19, 2020 8:31 AM

    JohnSeptember 19, 2020 8:24 AM CrusoeSeptember 19, 2020 8:15 AM If a Government holds a referendum and then claims not be bound by the result there will be trouble. Britain is the source of the Westminster style of Government and the precedent it has set is there to be followed or not.

    +++++++++
    Irrelevant. The point is that legally the referendum was not binding, it was made clear that it was guidance and was a choice by the government of the day. Another government could choose not to at a later date.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In politics, everything is relevant.

    There is the possibility that Ms. Mockley has cooked her goose!!

    The law is irrelevant.


  43. The distinction between same sex marriage and same sex unions was explained by Jemmott and others in this forum. One is a hurdle that can be leaped more easily than the other….(Quote)

    Is Jemmott parliament?


  44. @Hal,

    not in its legal intent but the optics thereof


  45. A happy and beautiful day to all of Barbados…
    —++++++xx——–

    You must forgive me as my 3-day attention/memory span kicked in.

    Wha we talking bout now? I forgot.

    For 10 points..
    What will improve when we become a Republic? What will suffer?

    🙂 Don’t mention the queen… With civil union/same sex marriages we will have a surplus of queens. 🤣


  46. @ Greene

    A civil union will have legal obligations and commitments; a common law marriage does not exist, apart from the perverse judgement of the CCJ.
    What are the civil union obligation and advantages? How would they differ from a same sex marriage?


  47. I am certain if one start at 2008 and work backwards toward 1966 one would find numerous discussions on the following topics:
    Same sex marriages/civil unions
    Becoming a Republic
    Nelson statue

    Why do we discuss the same shit over and over and act as if we are covering new ground.

    Groundhog day! Sisyphus! Amnesiacs


  48. And Cuhdear,

    If His Orange Majesty says it is “herd mentality” then “herd mentality” it shall be to his herd.

    Never mind Sleepy Senile Joe with his “herd immunity”.

    American dictionaries quake and change on the orders of the Orange King.
    😬


  49. Gazzerts
    Meking sure the rabbit hole stays clear of all other issues


  50. That was the equivalence of pissing in the pot of coffee.

    Tired of drinking from the same old pot. Start a fresh brew.

    Have a great day.

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