Leroy Parris Arrested

On the 22 June 2020 the Nation newspaper published a story with the headline $35m ICBL deal in works.

#donvilleinniss

On the 24 June the media reported that former Chairman of CLICO Holdings was being questioned by police.  He has since been charged with fraud and released on bail.

#corruption

While some people love to do crossword puzzles, the BU blogmaster enjoys connecting dots!

 

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  • The average person hanging around business knows that Parris did a lot of nonsense. The only reason he got away with it is because he had the politicians – local and regional – in his pocket.

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  • @ Enuff June 25, 2020 2:14 PM

    Neither Greene nor Artax is your band of MAM’s pooch-lickers.

    They are the ones who have been arguing, previously, that there were no legally convincing grounds for the charging of both Donville and Greenverbs given the weak legislation and lack of complainants.

    What has changed since then not to merit their ‘legal’ condemnation of recent events?

    Are you going to try to buy fair weather friends instead of sticking with those steadfast to the mast of Justice and good governance?

    “Time is longer than twine!”

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  • “has stuff in the red bag she promised to share dont forget.”

    and we are all waiting with bated breath, not holding it though and am sure so is EU…

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  • @Hal Austin June 25, 2020 5:16 AM “It is like driving a car at a traffic junction and both sets of lights are green at the same time. Any traffic accident cannot be the fault of either driver. Claims of speeding and awareness would be ridiculous.”

    Hal used this analogy, but i prefer this one “It is like driving a car at a traffic junction and both sets of lights are RED at the same time.”

    What does a wise driver do in this circumstance.

    Does she barrel through at 100 km per hour because the regulator [the traffic light/trafficcop] is not there? or does she like the wise person she is slow down, look all ways and ease through the junction very, very, carefully?

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  • @ WURA-War-on-U June 25, 2020 3:04 PM

    Little Barbados no longer has a nanny called Mother Britain to protect her from the regulatory tigers in the EU.

    She (Bim) is on her own in the EU sea of sharks protecting their own tax havens.

    The Donville gate affair was like throwing human blood in the sea.

    ‘Poor’ Parris just happens to be the local sacrificial lamb.

    Is this a mere attempt to smear the uppity dude and denude the ‘broken’ man of his immoral earnings by way of saddling him with large legal bills?

    Doesn’t the “moral principle” encrypted in statute of limitations also called ‘Forgive and Forget’ apply in this case?

    No wonder the Teacher called Jesus warned you honest Christians about lawyers, the devils advocates:

    “Woe to you lawyers also! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers.

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  • @Miller June 25, 2020 8:11 AM “…the ascendancy of the MAM administration of all angels and no demons?”

    How do you know that there are no demons?

    Does anybody on their honeymoon realize that their spouse is a demon?

    And yet divorce lawyers are never, never out of work, as sensible people seek to excise the demons from their lives.

    We are still on our political honeymoon. Lolll!!!

    Wait until the political horns, the political lies, the political dishonesty, the political drunkenness, the political lashes, starts.

    WATCH.

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  • @David June 25, 2020 7:29 AM “What about the 5 million dollars lodged with the Central Bank? The PM is in a position to have the matter clarified for the public.”

    I am kinda hoping that the Central Bank’s staff is not as honest as we pay them to be.

    I am kinda hoping that if 5 million dollars was indeed lodged at the Central Bank that some of the staff had the good sense to carry it way.

    You know the saying, an [alleged] thief,from an [alleged] thief makes God laugh.

    God deserves a laugh, seeing so how so many of his children down here suffering real-real bad from this COVID19 thingy.

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  • @David June 25, 2020 8:30 AM “By the way, is there a country in the world where the rich, the elite are not able to manipulate things to their benefit?”

    Sadly David.

    No.

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  • @Miller June 25, 2020 8:35 AM “If Greenverbs can be humiliated why not those two now that Donville might be ready any day for Sing Sing?”

    i don’t see Mr. Parris’ arrest as a humiliation. And I trust that he does not see it as such either.

    The man is presumed innocent…So he can take his presumably innocent backside home and play with his children or his grandchildren.

    Just like me.

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  • @Sargeant June 25, 2020 8:43 AM “How convenient the timing, isn’t this a welcome detour from Nelson?”

    We can walk and chew gum.

    We can Nelson AND Parris.

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  • @ Cuhdear Bajan June 25, 2020 3:36 PM
    “How do you know that there are no demons?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL!! Ask Dan Brown!

    Forget there is one now!

    According to the Koochie Kid and his godfathers Lorenzo and Enuff, the Bishop is now the demon hiding behind the chair of Loo with his elf Caswell steering the wheel of Opposition.

    Of course, we who have been in the balcony for the longest time- watching the political drama acted out by the duopoly in the Bajan political class- know full well that the pièce de résistance on the monopoly political board chessboard is the voting pawns like you.

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  • @William Skinner June 25, 2020 8:46 AM “BTW before he was a Member if Parliament and when he was head of the Barbados Economic Council , the current Minister in the Ministry of Finance , the Hon Ryan Straughn said he would not give the CLICO policy holders one penny.”

    The thing is, the truth is, the Honorable Mr. Straughn did not give the Clico policy holders one penny.

    It was we the taxpayers whose money went to the CLICO policy holders.

    And we still vex as hell ’bout dat.

    We will remember this action in 2023.

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  • https://barbadostoday.bb/2020/06/25/senator-franklyn-bus-fare-hike-invalid-under-law/

    So we can safely say that this government lives to do wicked, illegal, unfair things to the majimority population and have told themselves for over 50 years that the people gotta take it every generation.

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  • BTW…..for the government ministers lacking analytical skills….that evil shit of commiting multiple crimes against your own people for decades is CALLED A TREND…a Revolution is not a trend you would be lucky to get one every hundred years. now you know.

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  • @Enuff June 25, 2020 9:22 AM “Why was the invoice made out to the QC for legal services, which the QC denied ever doing?”

    Maybe somebody wanted to give the QC $3.3 million as a love offering.

    You know like how I give my church money every payday or pension day.

    Just as love ting.

    But it seems that the QC did not reciprocate the CLICO love, or its financial offering.

    Oh well.

    BU is real-real sport in truth.

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  • Miller….ya might smell some burning fowls or at least one.lol

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  • Miller
    Ignore!!

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  • @ Miller June 25, 2020 3:04 PM
    you said and i quote

    ” @ Enuff June 25, 2020 2:14 PM

    Neither Greene nor Artax is your band of MAM’s pooch-lickers.

    They are the ones who have been arguing, previously, that there were no legally convincing grounds for the charging of both Donville and Greenverbs given the weak legislation and lack of complainants. ”

    i made no such comments and i am sure Artax didnt.

    i said that there was no such ML in Bim with regard to the time line of Donville’s charges for which he was convicted in the US, since the BIM laws at that time spoke to drug offences as the predicate for ML. The present AG said as much and the laws were amended.

    i spoke about Parris to the extent that i averred that the report did not contend that he was not entitled to compensation from CLICO to the amount mentioned. i made no comment about his guilt or innocence since the topic of the thread was Thompson’s collusion in the matter.

    to that end i pointed out that the report never said that Thompson himself oked or endorsed any requisition for payment on Parris’s behalf only that such endorsement came from his former law firm from which he had resigned some years earlier.

    i know this will no doubt fall on deaf ears but please quote me accurately. i have no problems defending my positions, once they are mine

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  • Greene
    Why you don’t ignore the verbosed one? See my comment at 5:11..ignore!

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  • Mr Skinner you would have to done because you and Austin think bajans suffering from amnesia.There is nothing i said earlier that you or anyone of the naysayers can refute.You are a Dem spin bowler trying to implicate Mr Arthur in this shady dealing and omitting the number 1 person involved Mr Thompson why is that Skinner? Let me repeat MR THOMPSON WAS CLICO, S LAWYER FOR YEARS BEFORE BECOMING PM.Therefore would have known of it, s operations inside out.ON BECOMING PM MR THOMPSON TOOK UP 10 MILLION DOLLARS NOT HIS MONEY BUT THE TAXPAYERS AND PUMPED INTO CLICO.Question is why?On top of that we heard an invoice for 3.3 million was placed through Mr Thompson, s legal firm for Mr Parris.I leave persons to draw their own conclusions.On top of this Mr Parris was allowed to place his deposit on the central bank, unheard of before and you omit Mr Thompson in matters relating to Mr Parris..Skinner you are both disingenious and dishonest as far as this matter is concerned and i will not let you get away with your fancy footwork.

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  • @ Greene June 25, 2020 5:15 PM

    This is all that’s needed to put this matter in its right perspective.

    Are you suggesting that the CoP has made a huge mistake in charging Greenverbs for ML and that the prosecutors are relying on legislation which cannot stand the test of application in a properly convene court of law in Bim where the likes of Hal G will rule supreme for an easy payday ending in a massive law suit against the State?

    For there is nothing in the forensic report to link the poor Greenverbs fella with dealings in illegal drugs.

    On what grounds would a competent police force bring ML charges (on the advice of lawyers) against the guy and under which piece of legislation prevailing at the time of the alleged offence?

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  • This last post seems well above your standard. Do we now have several Lorenzos?
    I like your divining rod for sniffing out dems.
    Wait a minute, only WS on the enemies list today?
    Perhaps you need a new rod.

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  • @Lorenzo June 25, 2020 5:37 PM “….ON BECOMING PM MR THOMPSON TOOK UP 10 MILLION DOLLARS NOT HIS MONEY BUT THE TAXPAYERS AND PUMPED INTO CLICO.”

    Since all ‘o wunna here brighter than me. seeing as how I din go to Harsun, Cawmere nor nothing so.

    Can one ‘o wunna please tell me if the taxpayers ever got back the $10 million referenced above?

    And if not, why not?

    I remember that “letter of comfort” It was not clear to me, it still isn’t clear to me exactly what is a “letter of comfort”

    Can anybody explain to me exactly what is a “letter of comfort” since I had NEVER heard the term befor David Thompson used it.

    But my uncertainty is what led me NOT to vote for the DLP in 2008, and 2013.

    If I don’t understand the language I stay far from the big shots who are speaking with a “foreign”/forked? tongue.

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  • @ Enuff June 25, 2020 5:27 PM

    Seems that your second-hand man Lorenzo below is singing from a different hymn sheet from you in MAM’s choir?

    So what is it going to be, Enuff?

    Continue to try to score cheap vindictive points through futile retaliatory remarks or stick on the side of Justice like your real red brother in bottie licking.

    BTW, you ought to take a leaf out of Hal Austin’s book of consistent criticism.

    He, Hal, has always contended the Barbados is a failed state as far as its judicial system is concerned?

    What do you think is going to happen with this Parris No.2 case except the State being faced with a massively expensive lawsuit to put more money in the pockets of lawyers; if we are to rely upon the jurisprudential advice of the BU replacement of our learned but dead friend “Amused”.

    Poor Greenie must be envious he cannot be part of the bounty.

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  • NorthernObserver

    @Pacha
    How long you been waiting to bait that hook? Lol.
    A single sentence, the intent of which was to poohoo the current issue in light of larger looming issues.
    I know nothing about this case. Hence I do not comment.
    On the other matter, I would like to see it concluded. In court.
    And fyi…I don’t know CH he is your buddy. My connection is to Rogers, via a sibling.

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  • Gazzerts i know you try hard to be funny but trust me you are not.That is all you have to contribute to the topic? How about trying to refute what i have said funny guy?

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  • The average person hanging around business knows that Parris did a lot of nonsense. The only reason he got away with it is because he had the politicians – local and regional – in his pocket.

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    THIS SAME CAN BE SAID ABOUT MARK MALONEY AND CHARLES HERBERT

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  • @ Hal
    @ David

    Sorry for the delay In getting back to you.

    Yes the auditors reports will no doubt form part of the case, especially if they have in the notes their concerns. Normally if there was something they were uncomfortable with this should be stated in the notes to the audit.

    To a large extent though the auditors rely on the clients accountants to furnish them with the facts. As you know that is why the finish financials then usually come to the chairman and another officer of the company to sign off on.

    So in this mix we could have the auditors, the companies bankers, the company officers and the shareholders voicing their concerns. I was never a shareholder in this company so don’t know if or who documented their concerns in the notes, the minutes or any other format.

    My point is that if all involved allowed things to go on even if they were aware of malfices, then there is enough blame to go around. Now having said that the buck still stops at the chairman, CEO and financial controller in the end.

    What will be of interest after this case is to see if the policy holders will then bring a civil case against Paris for damages. That is where the real bassa bassa will come.

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  • @John A

    Why would the bank question the cheque if it was signed by Parris and Thornhill, authorized to approve the cheque?

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  • The recent arrest clearly shows that Barbados is a modern constitutional state. Many people also admire our health system. I estimate that it will be at most another term for our great CARICOM leader before we call ourselves a developed country and look down on Americans and British with pity.

    Who made this glorious turn possible? Right, our beloved leader. She rules our Royal Island with an iron fist, turning savages into human beings and leading globalization. Thank you so much, dear Mia!

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  • @Tron June 25, 2020 7:14 PM “look down on Americans and British with pity.”

    We won’t be looking down on anybody. That is not who we are.

    @Tron June 25, 2020 7:14 PM “turning savages into human beings.”

    And who ae the savages?

    Your people?

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  • Most of us on this blog were fully human long before Mia was conceived.

    Remember that.

    We were never savages.

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  • ▼Article III.
    Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination.
    By virtue of that right, they freely determine their political
    status and freely pursue their economic, social, and
    cultural development.”

    It says nothing about enriching minority crooks, Syrian Cartel or foreign thieves at the expense of the indigenous majority population….except for ya sell out selves, none of the above are indigenous to the Americans, ya know why because they were never enslaved, go check it out yourselves, you have a copy…. this document says nothing about enriching yaselves, the bar association, nor the crooks in the supreme court…..

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  • none of the above are indigenous to the AMERICAS..

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  • @Miller

    since i am up working on a project. havent been up this late in a long time. reminds me of my days of lucubration. to answer your questions i dont know.

    i would have to see the particulars of the charges to see what is being alleged. i dont the date of the fraud and whether it would have been outside the period the ML laws were changed.

    my guess would be the Tax Evasion charges since i assume no taxes were or have been paid on the income / compenstaion of 3 mil, that that is still ongoing and therefore would be captured by the change in the ML law. the ML charges can flow from that i believe but i dont enough of the Bim Tax Evasion laws to declare that is so

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  • @ David.

    No I didn’t mean the cheque in question, I was referring to when the company sends a copy of the audited financials to the bank, in the event they had bank facilities such as overdrafts or loans. At that point if the bank had concerns, they could of raised them with the company. For example if they had concerns that the assets were overstated and their security was questionable, they could of questioned the values then based on the audited financials.

    In other words many could of raised the alarm if they were uncomfortable with their exposure. From the banks to the policy holders all had a voice that should have been heard prior to the final implosion of the company. Not saying that Paris shouldn’t feel the law book, but it did not have to reach that point if others had stood up including the supervisor of insurance.

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  • Northern
    You should instead feel honoured. For you are one of the few this writer is motivated to read. Don’t always agree but you generally have something sensible to say.
    Can you blame this writer for having the memory of an elephant.

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  • So is it true what they are saying on another blog…that Leroy Leper has a Dominica diplomatic passport..

    Pacha…things just got real, real interesting….lawd

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  • Some a wunna want a mental examination! Wunna walk up and down all day shouting bout how nuhbody get arrest and Mia had all de information in de red bag. Now de first salvo get fire, yuh got unadulterated cunts like Pacha talking about persecuting political opponents and jackasses like Baje gone on to talk bout Mark Maloney. Wunna doan get tired? Mia cuh never do nuttin good fuh wunna because de goalposts always Rh shifting. A good ting she doan depend pun nun a wunna assholes because most Bajans got sort kinda sense. A real pity bout wunna doh. I does wondah if yuh cahn get a refund pun yuh birth if yuh born such foolish.

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  • @Silversleeves June 25, 2020 9:39 PM

    I believe this state of mind is called schizophrenia.

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  • TheO,

    That particular Lorenzo persona surfaces in matters such as these and contributes a little more than cockadoodledodos.

    That being said, I have nothing to say about this arrest. I await the outcome of the case.

    Who’s next?

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  • Correction – cockadoodledoodoos

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  • NorthernObserver

    @Pacha
    I would go back and check your memory, and what I wrote.
    I never claimed CH was ‘innocent as a virgin’ or similar. You will find I questioned, and gave info I had, on the sequence of events. I also supported the decision to charge all 3. And I had several exchanges on the role chairman, Board etc in light of CH stepping down as Chair of GEL. Don’t confuse me with @plt.
    Admittedly I did not convict CH as the court of public opinion had. And I had info which, if true, did free them of most charges. It cannot be denied they were on the vessel and it had drugs as part of its cargo.
    But it was you who has issue with CH? Specifically his hiring/promotion choices at BMLAS? Again I have no knowledge, so you could be correct.
    Bottom line is I would like to hear under oath from the various players what actually transpired on, and after, that fateful voyage.

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  • These charters should have been consistently and rigorously adherred to once ratified and the majority population granted full access to these rights as the indigenous, but black leaders decided that it was not important for their own people to be free or happy or wealthy with.their own land and money. Minorities should not have been enjoying these rights while the majority who fund the island oppressed, robbed and abused.

    WURA-War-on-UJune 26, 2020 3:09 AM

    ▼Article V.
    Full effect and observance of human rights
    Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right to the full
    enjoyment of all human rights and fundamental freedoms,
    as recognized in the Charter of the United Nations, the
    Charter of the Organization of American States, and
    international human rights law.

    Well I am yet to see any of the two governments whose colonial practices have been so destructive to the majority Black population.. observing or practicing any of these fundamental and international human rights as outlined in this documemt or in the UNs 30 Articles of Human Rights ratified since 1948 on their people.

    Both governments in their arrogance and absolute backwardness, pretend that these documents dont exist, the people were never made aware of them until recently and that can be attributed to social media; ministers continue to act as though these charters that they are all signatory to and love to be seen signing does not apply to the majority population who elected them; that they only apply to minorities who they make sure have access to and enjoy these fundamental rights along with enriching themselves at the expense of the same majority, these people whom they prefer to have a relationship with for corrupt reasons while cutting out generationally the very people these international laws were created and meant to PROTECT completely out of the equation.

    Some charters that once adherred to would help to alleviate poverty and oppression, they outright refuse to ratify so that the people remain helpless and vulnerable..

    They boldfacedly allow the practice of racism and apartheid to be practiced on the majority population in direct violation of international law and then insultingly and disrespectfully call themselves leaders and got the absolute nerve to return to the same victimized population begging for votes every election cycle.

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  • @ John A

    You are right. There are numerous checks and balances in the management of the finances of a public company – all over seen by the regulator. But, by now you have realised, that even sensible Barbadians want blood. They are uncomfortable discussing anything, ANYTHING, unless it is politicised and a working class guy from St John, who did not go to Harrison College and got a Barbados Scholarship, and, Heavens forbid, is not a lawyer, is a good would-be victim. Even if proved innocent in a court of law, in the court of public opinion, Barbadian opinion, he will always be guilty.
    They do not understand (even the regulator) that taking taking the process step by step is long and boring. By the way, I wonder if the accounts/auditors regulators are going to carry out an investigation in to the firm(s) that annual audited the accounts of Clico?

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  • Donna…they can crow until the cows come home, they cannot get out of any of this, all their crimes against the people are very well documented…let them sit on that.

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  • Miller….all of the lawyers in the parliament who used it as a revolving door to enrich themselves and minorities…… know about these Charters, every one of them, every minister who crawled into the parliament have known about them and despite knowing about the existence of these fundamental human rights their people are entilted to, everyone of them pretended they did not exist and violated all the Charters to which they were signatory….did not want to see their own people enjoy any of these freedoms and rights….with their disrespectful, distateful, sell out selves they reserved these rights and freedoms for minorities only….sell outs of the criminal class..

    … i can’t even remember Comissiong even one time mention any of these charters or tried in any way try to trigger their ENFORCEMENT……all in a bid to protect the criminal class

    But there is hope, i now have nearly 3 years to keep posting them over and over to every website across the earth and to every island, every Continent where the African descended can be found and make sure that EVERY BLACK BAJAN IS EDUCATED ABOUT THEIR FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS to freedom…….how bout that….am sure the sell outs will be happy to get that load off their shoulders….and am more than happy to assist.

    so how is the Leroy Leper case going now, i noticed that the Gollop god horse is already prancing around with excuses that he would have to contort himself to turn into reality, trying to get the case thrown out because CLICO had a name change…..which am sure was just another scam…

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  • Prime minister mugabe should lead by example by subjecting herself to an investigation around allegations made during the last election that she illegally reduced or eliminated taxes or other payments owed by her father or his interests to the central government. Immediately after she has charges of treason lodged against both Freundel Stuart and Christopher Sinckler for the crimes committed against barbados.

    Poor Leroy Parris is too much of a political lightweight to balance the scales of justice.

    This is our answer to those who believe that Parris could be a cipher for society”s ills.

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  • William Skinner

    @Northern Observer
    I would like to see the day when three black men were on yacht and it was discovered by law enforcement that there were millions of dollars if illegal drugs on the yacht and their assess were free to walk about Barbados and continue to be chairmen and ceos of corporations. I waiting to see dah day my friend.
    I waiting to see the day when police find millions of dollars of drugs in some little board house in any ordinary district or fishing boat with three black men and they ain’t get loss in jail.
    I waiting to see de day.
    You trying to tell me that three men on a yacht with illegal drugs and one just get off just so without a trial?
    And the one that get off just so was up and down Barbados calling for a change of government almost every day…………

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  • “And the one that get off just so was up and down Barbados calling for a change of government almost every day”

    just compounds and exposes the level of corruption on the island that favors only ministers, lawyers and the most corrupt of minorities.

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  • Sir William
    Again, you are right. Northern’s economic disposition informs his criminal justice thinking.

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  • WS

    So you saying that a DLP appointed DPP would side with the BLP and release Charles instead of blowing the whistle on the BLP?

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  • @ Hal

    Had our systems been working the Paris matter would never of gotten that far. The regulators and all involved turned a blind eye to Clico and hence we are here today.

    What the Clico matter showed me is how totally unprepared we are to deal with corporate oversight. Of course it is easy to deal with Paris than address the bigger issue. Not saying that if he broke the law he should not be dealt with mind you.

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  • What William is not saying is that once you have money and status to buy the best lawyers there is a favourable outcome potentially in the making.

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  • William Skinner

    @ John 2
    I said exactly what I wanted to say. This nonsense has been going on since the late 60s early 70s when some Asian Bajan musician brothers used to go before the courts for possessing illegal drugs and they used to get off every single time often represented by one of the top lawyers of the time who went on to be AG. Ironically one of those brothers became a MP and the late Barrow was a close family friend. The top lawyer was a BLP.
    So, the Law DLP and BLP tripartite is nothing new. In horse racing we call it a Trifecta.
    Like I said I say exactly what I mean . I was branded a communist and racist before I was fifteen years old. I don’t hide never did and don’t intend to now.
    I agree with @ Pacha . Parris did wrong and he should pay if convicted. But in the wider scheme of things he is a mere destruction.
    More to come- let the games begin.

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  • William Skinner

    Distraction not destruction.

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  • William Skinner

    @ David
    You said:
    “What William is not saying is that once you have money and status to buy the best lawyers there is a favourable outcome potentially in the making.“

    What a William is saying is that their black asses would be in jail. I talking color not money. Please don’t sugar coat anything I write. Nobody proscribes or prescribes what William Skinner writes!
    Thank you, Sir.

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  • William Skinner

    @ John A
    @ Hal
    It’s nice to be technocratic but what we have here is a fully emerging banana republic if we just sit by and allow this immorality to continue.
    This obsession with regulatory framework and so on is great arm chair stuff. And what do we have: @ Pacha boldly and correctly saying that the entire system globally is in a state of collapse and @ John @ Hal debating organizational political skulduggery.
    On this trajectory @ Pacha is the realist. All technocrats do is end up drinking the best scotch and reading books. Not a bad passtime if the playing field is leveled. In 1937 the masses did not wait on the technocrats and that is why we have so many today. Pick sense from dat.

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  • SAME OLD SAME OLD, saga continues, nothing achieved, crooks remain FREE.

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  • Don’t agree. It is about money, position which gives leverage in ant system.

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  • William Skinner

    @ Wily Coyote
    We talked a lot about taking a lemon and making lemonade. Now the pressure is easing we back to drinking the same old cool aid . Like you said : Same old pseudo intellectual BS.
    All the talk about a new deal after COVID going into Maxwell pond.
    We just too frighten of our own shadow.
    But those who have confidence in themselves must press on and on ……..

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  • WS

    You dont hide? Don’t seems so to me.
    Seem like you talking through the side of your mouth to try to make a point.

    That point is that CH got off because he is a supporter of the BLP – that is why you mentioned about him advocating for a change in the DLP government almost everyday.

    No need to hide, you can say it in plain english.

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  • @John A
    @William

    William you say that Mr Parris has done wrong. So, there is no need for a trial, according to this view. The case against Mr Parris are allegations. As to regulation, I am familiar with the argument about cutting corner and getting down to the meat, the realism, if it smells like coffee, then it must be coffee. Cheques passed between the Clico chairman and his lawyer and private company, so there must be guilt. Wish I had your foresight.
    @John A every annual audit of Clico should have included a check of its bank statements, along with random checks on its P&L, as you know better than I.
    As I said earlier, there should be different levels of sign off. Fort example, as an editor I had a sign off up to a certain level; my line manager had a higher one, etc up to the finance director; then there was a sign off at board level.
    The role of the regulator is to supervisor every major decision made by the company, capital adequacy to the hiring of key employees to business partners and products.
    Quite often companies claim for business reasons they cannot disclose information to regulators. The answer to that is simple: you had over the information or go out of business. In the final analysis, a regulator gets what s/he it has asked for.
    By the way, there is a clear class action (I do not believe in class actions) against the auditors by investors, policyholders and other stakeholders who made decision about the company based on the audited accounts and alleged performance as a going concern.

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  • William Skinner

    @ Hal
    ” William you say that Mr Parris has done wrong. So, there is no need for a trial, according to this view.” You conveniently forgot to say that I also said that if he is found guilty he shoud pay.
    I am no lawyer but I wrote on BU a long time ago that Parris and Duprey should not be allowed to go about their business as if they is no law. Now, I say he did wrong and that’s my opinon . I never said there is no need for a trial. And if you are anybody else think that I would side with a Black man getting away with corporate malfeance you dead wrong. I dont defend corporate malfeance on race -its a matter of integrity for me. So excuse me and my ignorance. People gone to their graves not getting a penny and then the taxpayers money had to be used to clean up CLICO/Parris/ Duprey corporate skullduggery. These are the hard facts.
    I am no frigging authority on the law and I have nothing against Parris but he will have his day in court.
    However when you say A you got to say B: Why the hell Parris was in handcuffs going into court and Not Charles Herbert ? How de hell Charles Herbert got to walk after being on a boat/yacht with millions of dolaars in illegal drugs. That is a bigger question for me. I rest my case.
    Peace.

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  • @William
    @Hal

    William don’t get me wrong I agree that if he is guilty he should pay the price. What Hal and My concerns are is what have we as a country put in place to ensure nothing like this happens again.

    In other words under the current system how much power does the insurance regulator really hold? What power do policy holders actually have over their investments once turned over to the companies? What liability do auditors face for not reporting malfices to the supervisor of insurance? What have we as a government done to strengthen our ability to protect investors, should another such event happen? Has inland revenue audited Mr Paris over this unusual income?

    I understand the anger towards Paris and were I a policy owner I too would be angry. My closing question still however remains. What have we done in terms of legislation to ensure it doesn’t happen again? Answer nothing.

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  • A.
    Do we need new legislation or is the problem the usual one of enforcement?

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  • William Skinner

    @ John A
    l’ll tell you what: All of the vagabonds and political psychopaths and sycophants like what you wrote above. They laugh when they have to play those long hops.
    There is legislation and if it were followed CLICO could have neve ripped off Barbadians. You could have all the checks and balances in the world, when the people you elect get in bed with the Herberts and Parrises ,the scapegoat civil servants have to keep their backsides quiet or find themselves on leave with pay or sent to some rural outpost.
    The place overflowing with rampant corruption in both the private sector and public sector well orchestrated by a decadent political class. That’s why it took eleven years to charge Parris and why Herbert gone free. Not one damn thing to do with inferior regulatory oversight as you and Hal think.

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  • @ William

    I can understand the anger, but angry justice is the way of the mob. Due process is the right of any man or woman. About the policyholders, the unethical behaviour of the provider is at fault, no one is denying that, but blame must also be put firmly and squarely on the shoulders of the regulators.
    And, as @John A rightly says, what lessons have we learned from the scandal? Have we learned from the Judicial Management inquiry? Have we learned anything from the other problems of insurance companies all over the world ( let us pretend the rest of the world is relevant)?
    If we have, what legislation has been put through parliament to right these alleged wrong? Only recently we had Sagicor being allowed to ‘invest’ in illiquid residential mortgages. Do you want to see again what can happen in the residential mortgage market? Google Bradley &Bingley; Google Northern Rock; Google Lehman Brothers for mortgage-backed securities.
    I just could not believe it when Barbados regulators allowed Sagicor to get away with its St George project. Not a word was said by the regulator; not a word by parliamentarians. We take ignorance to a new level.
    I have said on here before. Read the many reports and parliament debates on Equitable Life; further, a rather intelligent Jamaican woman wrote a PhD thesis on Equitable Lie, why not call her in as a consultant or do we prefer to muddle through and pretend we know what we are doing?
    The business models of banks and insurance models are different. Insurance companies have long-term liabilities; a person who takes out a life cover at age 25 does not expect to die in a couple years. A person who take out an annuity at ag 25 will not be calling on it for another 40 years. This is where the regulator comes in, to protect those consumers.
    Banks borrow short and lend long. A bank may borrow in the overnight markets, or anything up to three months, then lend for 25 to 30 years. In other words, this flawed, incompetent business model would not work for anyone but banks. Then these so-called executives have the guts to come in to small businesses and tell entrepreneurs how to run their businesses.

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  • @ William

    I agree with all you have said when it comes to our failure to enforce practically everything on this island. From the ZR lunacy to corporate enforcement the story is the same.

    Remember when the supervisor of insurance made a cease order on future policies being written, what happened when Clico continued writing them? Nothing.

    They are so many entities that failed to protect the policy holders it’s hard to name all. My concern is what will we do to make sure it doesn’t happen again?

    On the Herbert issue that involved $275,000 in Marijuana, do you recall a black Barbadian roughly 3 weeks later also had charges dropped because the police could not prove ownership? He also had one of the best lawyers on the island and his value was over $600,000. The point is if the DPP does not have a well tied up case, good lawyers will tear holes in it regardless of skin colour.

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  • @ GreeneJune 25, 2020 8:23 PM

    “@Miller
    since i am up working on a project. havent been up this late in a long time. reminds me of my days of lucubration. to answer your questions i dont know.
    i would have to see the particulars of the charges to see what is being alleged. i dont the date of the fraud and whether it would have been outside the period the ML laws were changed.
    my guess would be the Tax Evasion charges since i assume no taxes were or have been paid on the income / compenstaion of 3 mil, that that is still ongoing and therefore would be captured by the change in the ML law. the ML charges can flow from that i believe but i dont enough of the Bim Tax Evasion laws to declare that is so..”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We are pleased to welcome your attempt to soften your former jurisprudentially pigheaded position on this M/L and Parris affair.

    While you are ruminating on the matter we would suggest you take into serious consideration the position taken by your fellow Cawmerian on this entire CLICO debacle. Unlike the ‘verbose’ miller he is rather ‘dispassionate ‘about what ought to be done as outlined in his letter to the then DPP.

    A position the stupid TV cops and robbers watching miller has been supporting from day No.1.

    From: Walter Mc.M Blackman (American qualified actuary and political commentator). At least, we have been both lucky to live to see Walter’s wishes appear on the horizon of reality.

    Open Letter to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) about the CLICO (Barbados) Scandal Posted on July 1, 2014 by David 357 comments

    (Quote):

    Reality Check! | July 9, 2014 at 9:59 AM |
    Hi you people seem to lack basic understanding.

    Walter Blackman July 9, 2014 7:32 PM

    Reality check,

    Please advise me as to where I am lacking in my basic understanding.
    Here are the facts as I understand them:

    Almost 400 million dollars were diverted from CIL (an insurance company, which is a very special entity under the law) during a period stretching from the 1980’s to the end of the 1st decade of the 21st century.

    Evidence reaching the public domain suggests that money laundering, tax evasion, fraud, and other illegal acts have possibly occurred.

    Identifying the wrongdoers (be it politician or corporate executive), and prosecuting this case have nothing to do with whether David Thompson owned Thompson & Associates in 2008 or not.

    Justice demands that the wrongdoers be tried in a court of law, and where possible, an attempt should be made to collect all monies owed to the Government of Barbados in VAT and income taxes, along with all monies owed to CIL’s policyholders.
    Here is another situation for you to ponder.

    CIL was forced to pay for the leasing of a private jet. David Thompson, as Prime Minister of Barbados and Minister of Finance had no right whatsoever conducting government business on a jet paid for by CIL policyholders.
    However, If CIL had to pay jet leasing costs at the rate of over US$70,000 per month, and the Government of Barbados paid CIL commercial rates based on the PM’s use of the jet for government business, then CIL’s policyholders might not feel too aggrieved with that transaction.
    On the other hand, if the government paid no jet fees, then, by implication, David Thompson was enjoying the personal benefit of jet travel at CIL’s policyholders’ expense. That opens up David Thompson as PM and MOF to accusations of receiving jet travel services as a gift or kickback for political favors rendered.
    The value of the jet services, under those circumstances, would have to be viewed as imputed income which should have been reported on David Thompson’s income tax returns for each year he traveled on the jet. There are officers at the BRA who can calculate the tax liability, as of today, resulting from David Thompson’s implicit misdeed.
    Additionally, under those circumstances, David Thompson’s estate should be made to repay CIL policyholders, at commercial rates, for the use of that jet. (Unquote).

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  • @ John2

    From what I can see it’s about enforcement and the power given to those responsible. In other words what stopped the supervisor of insurance from enforcing the cease order and having Clico closed for breach of said order? Why for example does the Auditor General have no power to pursue parties when clear breaches have been documented?

    Our problem is we have guard dogs who then are muzzled and left to only bark and the offenders known this only too well.

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  • William Skinner

    @ Hal
    You said:
    @ William
    “I can understand the anger, but angry justice is the way of the mob. Due process is the right of any man or woman.“

    That’s the strategy the whites use to shut down black Americans. When blacks speak , they are called “ angry” and “emotional “
    You have written at least 75% more words on this issue than I have. I have not deemed you to be “angry” or engaged or supporting “ mob “rule.
    I am not angry , emotional or following any mob. Past all of that at least a half century ago.
    Appalled you would try that crap on me bro’.
    Peace

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  • @ William

    A view that wants to bypass due process is irrational. Anyone who does not want to give him a fair hearing is being irrational. The vast majority of people on BU already believes Mr Parris is guilty of some wrong, in particular that involving money.
    What I am saying is, if there is a prima facie case against him, and the prosecution authorities clearly believe there is, then bring him before a court.
    The only thing I question is after ten or more years why now? (Having two detectives holding him through the court yard was mere optics meant to humiliate him, but this is Barbados).
    On the other hand, what I am also saying is that any allegations against Mr Parris and Clico or any independent or subsidiary companies are equally the responsibility of the regulator. BU commentators seem to think this is irrelevant. I say no; the regulator is in it up to his/her/its neck. In case you do not get what I am saying, the insurance regulator failed.
    At some point there must be an inquiry in to the quality of financial regulation in Barbados. As I have said, Barbados justice is also in the dock. We cannot give the regulator (nor auditors) a free pass.

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  • @ William Skinner June 26, 2020 11:19 AM
    “That’s the strategy the whites use to shut down black Americans. When blacks speak , they are called “ angry” and “emotional “…”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The same strategy is employed wherever blacks seek to fight, figuratively speaking, for their rights even if Constitutionally-enshrined.

    When whites are fighting for their rights they go to war in no uncertain ways.

    Remember the American war of Independence, The French Revolution or the many civil wars fought all over Europe?

    Was the Irish republican army made up of “angry and emotional” black people?

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  • @John A,

    The breaches that the AG highlights are accounting, reporting and invoicing issues if they are not one and the same. altho these breaches may hint at criminality they dont necessarily lead there. there are internal audit departments in most governments to deal with the accounting issues and there are police departments to deal with the criminality. so the AG doesnt need to have enforcement powers altho it may be good but to what extent would be an issue.

    what govt needs is an investigative body made up of investigators, lawyers and accountants where, inter alia, these matters are dealt with. this should have been the case 30 years ago.

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  • @Miller

    who is Walter Blackman? was he around Grenville’s time at Waterford?

    anyhow i have said what i have to say about the Parris matter. it is sub judice now. i must congratulate those who worked assiduously to get it there given the nature of these cases and the public furor around the issue.

    it is not any easy case, from what i have seen, to prosecute.

    it could be seen also or mainly (depending on one’s point of view) as a regulatory failure but in Bim we put things in place but never work to enforce them. this matter is an all around failure from many angles.

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  • Miller…that’s the problem, Black people only have the mental acuity to war on each other, but they are cowards when it comes to waging all out war and a few stink minority racists…..until some time in the future when the youngster will do what is necessary if these tiefing racists, ministers, lawyers, the Leroy Leper types etc don’t get off the island and go tief somewhere else or stop robbing the people altogether…

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  • @ Greene

    Yes what you are proposing in an INDEPENDENT committee is also a workable option.

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  • William Skinner

    @ John A
    @ Hal
    @ David
    @ Miller
    @ Pacha
    And with all of this discussion, which is a good one, we have not mentioned one ingredient that is needed right away: A modern progressive Freedom of Information Act.
    Listening to Brasstacks today, every time a caller or moderator said “ Parris”, they were automatically silence . In Trinidad that would have never happened. Journalist in our country are so beaten down and citizens are so deprived of information that it makes a mockery of democracy.
    A caller said she was from Parris Hill and click … just a little poor attempt at comedy. Not so good at it lol

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  • @ William

    The matter is sub judice. I know BU is above the law, but it is nice that some media organisation is recognising the law.

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  • @John A

    The laws are n the books, the FSC has been given teeth in the insurance legislation. We must enforce the laws. We must act on the breaches.

    @William

    Your emotional position does not change the fact the court system is weighed down with cases of black respondents who are well off and take delight in burying cases. Money will always buy you an advantage any part of the world.

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  • If Parris, that blue brother, is convicted, we should storm the town centre and take the Barrow statue to the museum.

    RED LIVES MATTER!

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  • @ Tron
    What do you think about the arrest of the chief executive of Wirecard, the Germany technology company? It was constant scrutiny from financial advisers that first raised the alarm about its alleged dodgy accounting. EY, the auditor, warned that it could not verify its finances.
    This is the behaviour one would expect from the financial press, financial analysts, auditors and regulators. An ethical business environment, no matter how corrupt politicians are, would over-ride these problems.

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  • EY failed for more than three years to request crucial account information from a Singapore bank where Wirecard claimed it had up to €1bn in cash — a routine audit procedure that could have uncovered the vast fraud at the German payments group.

    The accountancy firm, which audited Wirecard for a decade, has come under fire after the once high-flying fintech company filed for insolvency this week, revealing that €1.9bn in cash probably did “not exist”. ..(Quote)

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  • @ Silversleeves June 25, 2020 9:39 PM
    “Some a wunna want a mental examination! Wunna walk up and down all day shouting bout how nuhbody get arrest and Mia had all de information in de red bag. Now de first salvo get fire, etc….”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You have really hit rock bottom when it comes to even a sliver of decency and self-respect.

    Why are you telling such bold-faced lies on your red Queen?

    How could your MAM be holding ‘secret’ information on Greenverbs in any “red bag” when all the evidence required for any prosecution was already contained in a very expensive multi-million dollar forensic audit report and lodged with the High court?

    Even our BU arch-archivist Artax can quote you chapter and verse from such report which was in plain sight long before that ‘fatefully historic electioneering’ day prior to May 24, 2018.

    We want to see action not only against the leper Leroi but also against those who turned the taxpayers’ money into their own money trees; the fruits of which are well detailed in that same red bag.

    You already have a ‘genuine’ forensically-written report containing all the evidence collected by the AG.

    Now ‘ACT’ before the EU regulators have to force you to do so, openly!

    Taxpayersmoneymatters, too!

    #TPMM

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  • William Skinner

    on the breaches.

    “@William

    Your emotional position does not change the fact the court system is weighed down with cases of black respondents who are well off and take delight in burying cases. Money will always buy you an advantage any part of the world.“

    I am going to tell you the same thing I told @ Hal: Whenever Black people speak, white people say they are “ emotional”. What the ass do I have to be emotional about. I write facts.
    Thank you, Sir.

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  • Hal AustinJune 26, 2020 3:32 PM

    Hal, you know very well that this is just another failure in a long string of such failures on the part of some firms. While auditors are not under a specific obligation to discover fraud, when a routine procedure that should have led to the exposure of issues is neglected, it does not bode well.

    Let us be real, audit firms are businesses first and foremost, not angels put amongst us to prevent malfeasance.

    As such, I have previously stated on these blogs, some years ago, that audit firms should not self regulate but should be reviewed by government regulators.

    How about the issue with the Dubai bank and gold that was so topical last year, where the audit personnel was fired for raising suspicions? Let us make this clear. Audit firms are a business, like any other. Their staff should functions within the parameters set by their professional bodies, but again, not everyone has the same integrity.

    Again, it is time that the practices within audit firms be reviewed by a governmental practice review group, under the auspices of the Ombudsman’s office, in the respective countries.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/17/ey-ordered-pay-whistleblower-11m-dubai-gold-audit-case

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  • TronJune 26, 2020 2:43 PM

    I am neither here nor there on the Parris issue, but raising a point of order with the blogmaster, that your comment is extremely distasteful, mocking the BLM movement.

    I have no doubt that you are knowledgeable, but you do need to learn some etiquette.

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  • Hal AustinJune 26, 2020 11:35 AM

    Agreed.

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  • @ Crusoe

    You are right and you are wrong. Auditors are businesses. I agree with you that they should be regulated by the state. I go further: separate the accountants from the auditors. I do not believe in Chinese walls.
    I think you are mistake in that auditors have a wider responsibility than reporting to the audit committee or the executive team. We have discussed this before, as I have said. Investors also depend on the ethical basis of auditors’ reports and the tax authorities also depend on them.
    The claim of dishonesty throughout the system is a groundless fear. Good governance depends on all of us doing our jobs well. I will give an example, I always queried any invoices presented to me to sign off. If I had any doubts I said no.
    I did that because I was aware of one thing: I was always conscious of my blackness in a white organisation. It was my natural caution.

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  • “We want to see action not only against the leper Leroi but also against those who turned the taxpayers’ money into their own money trees; the fruits of which are well detailed in that same red bag.”

    that’s the issue right there…..they all know about the corruption, the stealing of taxpayers and pensioners money, they all know about the human rights violations against the majority population for decades, but none of them can talk abouit that…

    …..Mia knows for Guyana like if she owns something there, then she put that joker Beale out there cause he knows all about Guyana like he owns something there too……but he dont know about Thompson’s 30 plus million dollar estate,….that no one can explain how he came by that and all those properties……yet he was the banker before Thompson made him ambassador to US……he knows for Guyana but he don’t know for Barbados…

    they have no shame…..that is why all their corrupt shit is out there for the world to see and laugh..

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  • @David
    “Don’t agree. It is about money, position which gives leverage in ant system. ”

    Sounds to me that you are AGREEING, SAME OLD SAME OLD, whose chief ANT pocketing the GREEN.

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  • William Skinner

    @ WURU-WAR-on-U

    These jokers want us to believe that all corruption started in 2010 and magically ended in 2018. I have maintained that any real war on corruption would find the prison full of an equal amount of BLPs and DLPs.
    They can’t stand independent thinkers. All they do is engage in infantile attempts to brand people.
    The place has a solid five decades of corruption and before that the city was corrupt ; the then Mayor was just as corrupt. This attempt to elevate some people and rewrite history will fail.
    All one has to do is check the estates they left behind and the same question we now ask of Thompson could be asked of them.
    Criminals most of them. The only damn difference is that because of technology the modern day pirates will get exposed from time to time.
    The former Attorney General, Sir David Simmons , went on Brasstacks about a year ago and said the private and public sector corrupt. Ask him how many corruption cases he fought as Attorney General or Chief Justice.
    Frauds.

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  • @ Tron June 26, 2020 2:43 PM

    Why paint the leper king as only a “blue brother”?

    The man was an equal opportunity chameleon in manipulating members from both sides of the imaginary dividing line in the political class of bribe-taking à la Donville.

    All it took was the unprotected policyholders’ currency to buy favours from his financially-controlled political servants.

    The Bajan viceroy- although the mere footstool for the real powerbroker for an emperor in Trinidad the Creole equivalent of (with the same ‘Lawrence’ name) Bernie Madoff- had three political kingpins for PMs in his ‘Colonial’ service.

    All during this royal escapade of financial plunder your now enthroned Queen was serving as a red princess regent behaving like a PM-in-waiting.

    Have you reached that point of political prostitution that you will sell your memory on the block of dementia and pretend to forget that $70,000.00; some like the blue-blooded “ac” the missing Mariposa would even add another zero to this figure to round it up for the sake of simple yard-fowl political hyperbole.

    Such an act of public confession to the blatant acceptance of political bribes by a primus inter pares can only be seen as de rigueur in a banana republic full of lowlife political primates.

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  • @William Skinner June 26, 2020 4:56 PM “The place has a solid five decades of corruption.”

    So Willie are you telling me that during the period 1627 to 1770 was a period of non-corruption?

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  • Correction: 1627 to 1970

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  • However when you say A you got to say B: Why the hell Parris was in handcuffs going into court and Not Charles Herbert ? How de hell Charles Herbert got to walk after being on a boat/yacht with millions of dolaars in illegal drugs. That is a bigger question for me. I rest my case.
    Peace.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    KICKBACKS TO POLICE BY CHARLES HERBERT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.

    HE WAS SO CONFIDENT THAT HE MADE A RECORDED SPEECH VIA THE MEDIA AFTER FIRST LEAVING CRIMINAL COURT.

    HE KNEW HE HAD ALREADY MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL AND WAS GOING TO BE GETTING OFF SCOTCH FREE.

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  • “These jokers want us to believe that all corruption started in 2010 and magically ended in 2018. I have maintained that any real war on corruption would find the prison full of an equal amount of BLPs and DLPs.”

    won’t miss that one for the world….

    “former Attorney General, Sir David Simmons , went on Brasstacks about a year ago and said the private and public sector corrupt. Ask him how many corruption cases he fought as Attorney General or Chief Justice”

    as for that one, all his fowls will come to roost right on that plantation before he closes his eyes….fraud is a kind word for all the crimes they have committed against the people on the island…..crimes they were all committing while they were still in school in UK, even before they passed the bar, before most of us were born…they were victimizing the elderly on the island and stealing their land and the futures of their beneficiaries, some of them are just as dead as those they stole from but some of them are still alive…

    the original colonial savages.

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  • William Skinner

    @ Cuhdear Bajan

    So Willie are you telling me that during the period 1627 to 1770 was a period of non-corruption? “

    Guess if it born in corruption we can’t help ourselves lol
    That’s a good one lol

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  • @ Crusoe June 26, 2020 4:09 PM

    My sincerest apologies to everyone here. Of course I support every civil rights movement that stands for freedom and justice.

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