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Submitted by Tee White (article submitted to the Nation newspaper)

Dear Editor

I was shocked to read your article in the Nation of 18 June, which reported that Minister of Culture, John King, is opposed to ‘dumping Nelson’.

Mr King is, of course, right that everybody can form their own personal opinions about any issue, including that of racism. However, the problem is that as Minister of Culture, he represents the people of Barbados. How would it reflect on our country if in international meetings he is defending the maintenance of statues glorifying racists and mass murderers even as countries all over the world are removing these offensive objects from the public space?

Mr King says that he has been reading the cabinet papers from previous discussions of this matter but demonstrates a shocking lack of understanding of the issue. I will pass without comment his preposterous statement that removing symbols that glorify racism, such as Nelson’s statue, amounts to visiting the horrors of chattel slavery on others. He appears to think that taking a stand against racism amounts to excluding non-Africans from the history of Barbados. According to this logic, every Bajan of non-African descent supports anti-African racism and the glorification of its architects. This is a terrible insult to those Bajans of non-African descent who strongly oppose racism and also demand the removal of statues and monuments that glorify it. Is John King not aware that the earliest rebellions in Barbados saw enslaved Africans and indentured Irish people fighting together against the oppressive powers of that time? Does he not see across the whole globe that millions of people of all nationalities and colours are taking a united stand against racism, and those who seek to glorify it?

The thing is that the foundation of racism, upon which modern Barbados was established, cannot be incorporated into any new Barbados in which we simply see each other as human beings because racism is opposed exactly to this concept and insists on categorising people into superior and inferior groups. That is why today, people are demanding that racism has no place in the modern world. You cannot defend racism and its symbols and at the same time claim to be against it. Would anyone take Germany seriously if it claimed to be against Nazism while maintaining statues and other monuments glorifying Hitler and the other leaders of the Nazi regime?

I wonder if Mr King’s comments about the parliament building, the wharf and elsewhere are serious comments. If they are, he really does have no understanding of this issue. Wasn’t Barbados itself around during slavery and playing a part in it? What are we to do with it? Throw it in the sea? The demand is very clear. Statues and monuments are some of the ways in which society honours individuals from the past. Those that glorify racists and people involved in the commission of crimes against humanity should be taken down from the public space because they are a statement that the society honours racism and crimes against humanity in the here and now.

There are, of course, many other issues in Barbados that need to be addressed in order to build a new and inclusive society that works for all Barbadians. However, we will make no headway with these if we are unable to confront and overcome the monster of racism that still disfigures our island. The taking down of Nelson is a small step in this effort.

On this issue, Minister King is quite simply wrong.

Read Minister John King’s article published in the Nation newspaper 18 June 2020


 

King not on board with dumping Nelson

MINISTER OF CULTURE John King is not in support of the wholesale removal of Lord Nelson’s statue in The City.

He told the media yesterday his opinions on Nelson and race on the whole were personal and he would stick by them, even if they cost him.

“There are a number of papers I am now studying, from about 2009, on discussions various Cabinets would have had on this issue, but on a personal note – and I know what I am about to say is going to upset a lot of people – I would agree that if you’re talking about Heroes Square,there are validations to the varied opinions. But I will not – and it could cost me everything – be a part or party of trying to do to others what we say has been done to us,” he said.

Calls for the removal of the statue were made again during last Saturday’s protest march through Bridgetown in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in the United Sates and across the world.

King said he did not believe in “stripping down everything and throwing it away”, saying there was a history before slavery and it was now time for a new mindset.

“If you are saying that during enslavement and the colonisation process, that our history, culture and way of life were wiped out and we came into places like the Americas as minorities, why would you now turn around and advocate to do the same thing to somebody else? The discussion we should be having is, if we want to remove this statue, where do we put it?

“How do we recognise the collective history of Barbados is not relegated solely to Barbadians of Afro descent? How do we also incorporate the history of the indigenous people who were here [first]? How do you incorporate

all of the groups that make up Barbados? Let us look at these things for what they are and use them to inspire ourselves to change our prejudices and look at each other as human beings,” he urged.

King said the Parliament Buildings

and the Wharf were around during slavery and played a part in it, asking if those too should be thrown away. He said the Nelson statue should be utilised to the advantage of Barbados while not disadvantaging anyone.

As for the Black Lives Matter movement, King, who as a calypsonian and Pic-O-De-Crop monarch performed social commentaries such as

Fool’s Paradise, How Many More? and I Want A Plantation, said he was accustomed to speaking out against social injustice on his own and would only join any group if and when he felt it necessary.

“I’ve always been advocating against racism, as an entertainer performing overseas and from growing up in England, so I know it well. What is going on in the Unites States has been going on for eons but it is now easier to see due to social media.

“[However] there are other issues right here I don’t hear people talking about, issues some people don’t want to protest, such as classism, which is also a knee on people’s necks. We need to talk about the violence in our own communities . . . and I don’t hear anyone talking about the history of the people we call ‘red legs’ in St John. I hope our future generations find themselves in a different place,” he said.

(CA)

 


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598 responses to “Minister John King is Wrong”

  1. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Serial posters are not the ones deceived 2 generations of the black population they have to beg for votes in less than 3 years…

    serial posters are not the LIARS OF PARLIAMENT…

    serial posters are not the SELL OUTS OF PARLIAMENT

    serial posters are not the ones seen as deceitful nor are the ones now have to deal with protestors….how bout that..

    serial posters are not the ones seen as going to get their evil, lying, sell out asses kicked out of the parliament….how bout that..

  2. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Miller…check this comment out, told yall the UK does nothing halfway, the mental damage is real, it’s like a disease in TOO MANY OF THE descendants of the enslaved…same crap is happening in Africa…it is certain people suffering this malady….check out some of the clowns on BU, same mental conditioning, check the other islands, you find the same mental destruction.

    “Tafita KingDave The first biggest challenge facing Africa is the mindset perpetuated by different imperial powers on the African child’s mind from different regions of Africa where some see or perceive themselves as better former slaves over the other, instead of seeing them as children of one African who all suffered the injustice of evil European empires until we can all understand that, our unity will forever remain just as a dream.”


  3. Some who will tell you that there is no value in destroying a statue are actually fighting tooth and nail to keep the same statue.

    Dare I ask ‘what is the value of keeping this statue’?

    What does it symbolize to you?

    Does it represent your Political power in the past and now you seek to hold on to it as if it is a security blanket? Is it your comforter?


  4. (Quote):
    From a purely historical perspective destroying statues serves no purpose as it achieves nothing in itself. It is pure symbolism. People all over the world are caught up in symbolism and being distracted from other goals that have PRIORITY. (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What about the national flag? Doesn’t it also represent “pure symbolism”?

    Why don’t you see the Union Jack on display alongside the Broken Trident since Her Majesty Elizabeth is still Queen of Barbados?

    Isn’t turning Barbados into a republic a top ‘priority’?
    Or are you waiting for it to be forced upon you (and very soon) even though both sides of the political class have promised, over the years, such ‘symbolic’ status of true political Independence involving the removal of all the ‘Sirs and Ladies’ from the names of those still so well entrenched in the local colonial-minded society and the ‘royal’ pips and crowns from the shoulders of the army of muttleys in the Police and Defence forces?

  5. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    They and their fowls are acting like they are entitled to be reelected, yall will not be elected if no one wants you there because yall have a nasty habit of ignoring the WILL OF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO ELECT YOU …WITH YOUR IGNORANT, ARROGANT SELVES….there are not enuff minority thieves to reelect you to the parliament…how bout that..

    the people are waking up faster than yall can tell them lies, deceive them and keep them in bondage for your own selfish reasons, they do not trust you and want you gone….how bout that


  6. Waru why don, t you give it a rest.Everyday all day with the same shite talk it is really tiresome and boring.The so call sell out negroes in parliament doing far more than the racist mouthas like Donna , Gazzerts and you.How the hell all this racist talk going to help a hungry mother and her children going to sleep hungry tonight.?All lives matter this bandwagon effect will solve nothing, many lives are lost in Barbados with blacks killing blacks how about addressing this problem no whites are involved.Let us focus on our many problems.

  7. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    The fowls should know if any of this is true and WHICH CONTEXT it should be taken in , until i hear more about this…ah will never stick my neck out though….lol…murder, Miller…fyah in ya wyah….hiding more information from the people, not telling them that their lives are about to get that much harder from all the thefts of their money over the decades…stolen by the liars in the parliament and the tiefing minorities.

    ah can’t even read it, got a headache, don’t need the sordid details right now…

    Theo….check this out. the gory details await..

    https://caribbeanempowerment.wordpress.com/2020/06/20/imf-demands-more-austerity-measures-against-the-people-of-barbados/?fbclid=IwAR26WUzJ6HG5JF9rxSJTyxPwDVyhvh4NI4BSNrqdyLICBLx9PBX1iOos-3g

    “IMF demands more austerity measures against the people of Barbados
    Caribbean Organisation for Peoples Empowerment”

  8. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Lorenza the Coward, i just posted something different…that should make ya quite happy…ya wanted something different right…that one should perk ya right up….lol

    until then ya are nowhere near my level, so sit ya useless fowl ass down..

    when ya find leaders at the level of the Rwanda president, then we can have a conversation, just remember he is not known to be corrupt like ya bottomfeeding pretend leaders…ya ignornat backward leaders cannot relate to any of this and maliciously keep slave laws on the statute books to keep their own people in bondage.

    Miller…imagine i was on my way to relax and the fowls decided they wanted something brand new, they did not even know about the IMF putting the screws to the people, apparently it was hidden, they love to boast when they meet IMF targets but this one they tried to hide, the Caribbean blog exposed their lying deceitful asses, how bout that for a new exposure…ha

    https://libertywritersafrica.com/the-rwandan-government-abolishes-more-than-1000-colonial-laws/?fbclid=IwAR3cyC1yCJS2YDfjMbqYshMdMgvLl2Zv2Kyn0eKfzVHZbCce8Cw6KVxt6Bk

    Rwanda in recent times has become a beaming light in Africa – a model of African ingenuity, pride, and self-awareness. In 2019 alone, Rwanda has launched two satellites into space and has started the manufacturing of mobile phones.

    To crown it all, they have commenced the offloading and abolishment of over 1,000 laws that were imposed on them by Germany and Belgium when they were colonized, from 1900 till their independence in 1962.

    The said laws provided grounds for the catholic church to own outrageous and large expanses of land. The law also enforced the separation of areas and neighborhoods where white people and Rwandans lived.

    One of the lesser laws insisted that alcoholic drinks must be paid for at the bar, instead of the buyer to wait and pay for them on a tab.

    The Minister of Justice, Jonson Busingye, in a statement, said that “Colonial laws were made for the colonial metropole, not for colonies. They were brought to the colonies to be the legal framework to service the colonial state.”


  9. WARU June 21, 2020 8:35 PM

    Very interesting article. Reminds us of the neo-colonial and destructive policies of the IMF. The Dullard is very surprised at the lack of comment on the erosion of the standard of living and increasing poverty in the island.

    But we are punchingaboveourweight. In the next 3-5 years Barbados will be a drastically different place.

    the representatives of the IMF admit that the problem that has caused the disarray in the Barbados government’s finances is not primarily due to the “incompetence of the previous government” but rather to the anti-people aim of the Barbadian economy. This economy, which was developed as the first slave economy within Britain’s global empire, has seen its aim unchanged, even as the country has gained formal political independence. The goal of the economy to serve local and foreign private interests at the expense of the working people has remained intact.

    Hence a situation obtains where the country is one of the most highly indebted in the world, while private interests hoard wealth equivalent to 50% of its annual GDP, refuse to deploy it for the all-round development of the economy because they can see no money making opportunities in doing so and the government fails in its social responsibility to take action to remedy the situation. In fact, it is in order to protect this anti-people aim that the government has delivered the country into the hands of the IMF. By doing so, it will gain access to loans totalling no more than 8% of the wealth currently sitting inactively in the local banking system. However, this engagement with the IMF comes at a high price.

  10. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Dullard…it is systemic destruction of the majority population and ya can’t even blame IMF, both dirty governments did this…both of them and they actually thought that they would get away with it, now their fowls are home roosting, just as they deserve…

    This curse in the lives of the population both lowlife black governments also caused, some of the whites on the island are fessing up…let the fowls and Mia squawk…some bajan whites know that the trajectory both corrupt governments continue to force the island into is not sustainable and they have future generations to be concerned about, of course the other minority thieves don’t care as long as it’s robbing Black people their sentiment is just the same as the no good leaders..

    we told them for years they were going to run into trouble with their limited tax base, but they are so nasty minded they refused to widen that base because they did not want the black majority to become autonomous and generate wealth for themselves or be successful, even IMF told them years ago the tax base needed widening, but the self-hating, anti-black negros in the parliament preferred to see the economy completely collapse rather than to see their own people prosper, they are happier seeing them as oppressed, abused slaves, they should be charged for treason….everytime i try to go to bed another article pops up exposing these scum…bonnee nuit.

    https://medium.com/@becomingantiracist/becoming-anti-racist-in-barbados-q-a-20eda8006676?fbclid=IwAR1Cp_NsQJOsxGjF9FPJYV6_Adv-Rf3ScHCiiChEncL255lAZCwo4dZlKxQ

    “This is a resource list for ALL white or ‘pass-fuh-white’ Bajans, and other white people living in Barbados.
    If you are not racist, if you’ve been having conversations about race recently, if you’ve felt uncomfortable talking about race, if you don’t think race is an issue, if “All Lives Matter”, or if you are interested in becoming Anti-Racist…
    This is for you!
    As white Bajans, we’ve heard racist remarks our entire lives. With the increased visibility of racial injustices in the US, Bajans of all colours are talking more about race. This is a good thing. We felt that other White and White-passing Bajans may benefit from having access to responses in a local context when we hear things that don’t seem correct.”

  11. Disgusting Lies and Propaganda TV Avatar
    Disgusting Lies and Propaganda TV

    Really, Nelsons Statue should have been moved when Trafalgar Square was renamed Heroes Square in 1998….22 YEARS AGO!!!. When Bajans couldn’t even move a statute of a rank white racist Admiral from a “Heroes Square” it was then I knew that Barbados has a bigger problem. When there was the discussion of removing the Queen as Head of State, arguments were made by certain people against going to a republic and the idea was dropped. It was then i knew Barbados still had a serious issue of identifying itself as a true nation. Barbados might have “de jure” independence but in our minds we were still a British Colony.
    But we will wait until NOW that we are challenged by COVID-19 and after 10 years of economic decline to PRIORITIZE moving a statute right NOW. I hope that when we move Nelson we can tell our government that we are ready to become a Republic. I hope the protests right now gives us a heighten consciousness as a people to help identify our self as a Nation and not just “follow pattern” to remove a statue. If we are not ready to have the discussion of being a republic..we wasting time talking about Nelson statue.


  12. @ Dullard June 21, 2020 9:05 PM

    The billions in the local accounts consist only of worthless Barrow dollars, not real money. The Barrow dollar is just a kind of game money for the masses to believe in the success of independence. No expat or investor would ever let himself be paid with such post-colonial glass beads.


  13. @ Lorenzo June 21, 2020 8:31 PM

    Thank you for your support. The raging opposition only wants to distract attention from the great successes of our government. There are plenty of examples, such as the BOSS program to cut civil servants’ salaries, the victory over the Wuhan plague, and much more.


  14. TheOGazertsJune 21, 2020 7:52 PM

    Some who will tell you that there is no value in destroying a statue are actually fighting tooth and nail to keep the same statue.

    Dare I ask ‘what is the value of keeping this statue’?

    What does it symbolize to you?

    Does it represent your Political power in the past and now you seek to hold on to it as if it is a security blanket? Is it your comforter?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Doesn’t matter what it symbolizes nor what political power it represents or represented.

    Go look at the Systems Caribbean poll from 1999.

    2/3 don’t want it moved.

    So long as we have a democracy that’s all that matters.

    The band of wandering minstrels who presented at Nelson’s memorial bring no science, no polling data no nothing.

    The GOB is presented with ranting and raving and no logic or data or anything to counter the simple fact that a scientifically conducted poll of the population of Barbados showed conclusively that 2/3 do not want the statue moved.

    If the minstrels were to bring some data to support their position, perhaps another poll to show the population’s position on moving the statue has changed, maybe the GOB might consider a referendum and the issue could be settled once and for all.

    Seem to remember from the debate of 20 odd years ago that there was an issue of ownership but no one has raised that this time around.


  15. 1999??????

    You are clutching at straws from 1999????

    How many people have died since 1999? How many have become enlightened? How many young people born since that time have a different opinion?

    What is wrong with you????


  16. Nobody would expect a bird brain like Lorenzo to make the connection between racism and poverty.

    The only comment I make that he agrees with is one that praises this government.

    That alone tells how limited he is. A bird brain in a coop. A coop full of bird poop.


  17. Nelson’s fate up to Bajans

    Mia says decision after public consultation

    THE CONTROVERSIAL STATUE of Lord Nelson may be moved to a maritime museum, but not before a public consultation on the matter.

    This was the indication from Prime Minister Mia Amor Mottley during an online Zoom discussion Saturday night targeting the Barbadian diaspora entitled: We Gatherin’ 2020 – The Online Edition.

    However, she stressed that

    National Heroes Square should be a place for Barbadian heroes.

    “I would strongly encourage Barbados to follow me on this issue when we have the conversation [because] I, like you, believe National Heroes Square should be the home of a national hero of Barbados.

    “I, like you, believe we will be in a better position . . . but the Government is not going to definitively state a position without a consultation,” she added.

    Discussed fate

    She recalled that a commission formed to discuss Nelson’s fate more than ten years ago, recommended the monument should be moved to an area by the nearby Blackwoods Screw Dock in Cavans Lane.

    She recalled that late clerk of Parliament George Brancker, director of the Barbados Museum Allisandra Cummins and current Ambassador to CARICOM David Comissiong were all a part of that group.

    “That looked also at the possibility of moving the statue to what was then by the Screw Dock by Fort Willoughby. The Screw Dock at the time was one of the last remaining functioning screw docks in the world. Therefore the notion of a naval museum, a maritime museum, was very much on the cards.

    “I think that is where we are likely to go back after consultation, but this is a Government that works with people and consults people. I’ve told you my personal position but my personal position is not foisted on people when it comes to wedge issues,” Mottley said.

    The Prime Minister said the costs to relocate the statue had to be examined, but she promised there would be more discussions.

    Nelson’s six-tonne statue was last “moved” on November 18, 1990, after he was shifted eight feet to the right of where he had previously stood for 177 years – this time backing Broad Street and facing the subsequently renamed National Heroes Square (formerly Trafalgar Square).

    One of those involved in Saturday’s discussion was Minister of Culture John King, who has been under fire over comments on the statue.

    Last Wednesday King told reporters he did not support the wholesale removal of Nelson and made it clear he was also not in support of treating others the way black people were. He added his opinions on Nelson and race on the whole were personal and he would stick by them, even if they cost him.

    King said then he did not believe in “stripping down everything and throwing it away”, saying there was a history and suggested the statue be utilised to the advantage of Barbados while not disadvantaging anyone.

    On Saturday during an anti-Nelson rally in Bridgetown, days after the words “Tek Me Down” were spray painted at the base of the statute, Minister of Environment Trevor Prescod asked Barbadians to forgive his collaegue for the comments, even as fellow Pan Africanist and social activist Reverend Buddy Larrier called for King’s resignation. An online petition to take down Nelson has so far generated more than 11 000 signatures.

    Misinterpreted

    King told Saturday’s online gathering he was misinterpreted.

    “I think people misunderstood a lot of what was said and took a lot of it out of context. There was no pushback from anyone about the idea of removing the statue fromHeroes Square.

    “Just like the Prime Minister, we understand fully well what Nelson would represent and how people feel about it, but really and truly as a mature society and mature people, there are certain ways we have behaved in the past and will continue to behave as responsible citizens.

    “But I couldn’t be a part of that because one, it is a part of our history. If we are going to put it in the water, it is going to be a water museum,” King said.

    (TG)

    Source: Nation Newspaper


  18. Noose found in Bubba Wallace’s garage. I guess that helps the naive to understand what the Confederate flag wavers espouse even today.

    Apparently we are soon to discover exactly how many Barbadians are ready to free themselves from mental slavery. Our PM had decided to lead from behind. But only on this issue. On the other matters like the shitehood for her father our opinion did not count.

    It would be interesting to know how the 8000 feel about Nelson. It would definitely speak volumes about their allegiance today.

  19. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    She is a damn joke, any respect some of the enlightened had for her evaporated once she got elected and decided that the dirty, corrupt minorities come first,

    ….when they found out she used and lied to black people to be elected to show off her backward ass,

    …..that corruption came before the people who elected her,

    , …that her crooked family came before the people who elected her,

    ..that she has nor respect for the people who elected her, she is anti-back

    …. that she would tell black people any lie to keep them in bondage,

    even the people across the Caribbean knows she is no damn good, she carried her nastiness to their island and the fraud for a former PM enabled her evil shite…

    a nasty piece of work in the black population’s lives, SHE MUST BE REMOVED and never returned to that parliament, she means DESTRUCTION FOR BLACK PEOPLE….and most people are seeing that very clear, she is a known liar only there to promote herself and those who enable and support government corruption…..and are willing to rob the people and island by the billions of dollars…

    what consultation to remove the racist statue what….

  20. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    It’s no secret. Everyone knows how dirty, deceitful, destructive and hateful of black people she is, everyone except the stupid slaveminded fowls and those black who are too dumbed down to know any better. Helping evil minorities rob the black popukation for decades and then she and them pretending the money is theirs and the Black population must be subservient to them. She has to go. Start packing ya bags demon there is nothing left to tuef but loans. Ticktock.

    “IS MIA INDEBTED TO BIZZY WILLIAMS AND COMPANY HENCE HER INACTION TO ADDRESS THE NELSON STATUE ISSUE ????

    Britain’s First leader Paul Golding is reportedly among those calling for Mandela Madiba’s statue to be torn down …
    The targeting of Mandela’s statue by far-right protesters, comes after a statue of slave owner Edward Colston was pulled down and thrown into a river during a Black Lives Matter protest in England …
    Why then is Mia’s government afraid to remove the statue of Nelson a known terrorist and mass murderer of Oppressed Black People ???
    Mia’s government is complicit with a small group of about 10 white bajans headed by Buzzy Williams … Back in 2012 I was privy to a conversation unbeknownst to this group which had a secret meeting at the catamarans repair yard up Bay Street ….
    From my hiding place I learned how the Erskine Sanford administration was sabotage by tampering with the Tourism sector, using propaganda and triggering a series of protest marches …. At the conclusion of that meeting I heard someone say, ” I would rather brek myself first, before these niggas spend another red-cent of mine ” …
    The Harbour Master did left Barbados for Trinidad, Patrick King was given false information to spread propaganda, the south coast sewage project was sabotage and a series of marches were triggered …
    This meeting was apparently triggered by the Redjet fiasco …
    This is a true account of what I have experience and Mia cannot deny being bankroll by Mr Copeland or Copelin … (Not sure of the correct spelling) … hence her silence on the call by Black Bajans to remove Nelson statue once and for all …”

  21. Freedom Crier Avatar

    THE PEOPLE OF THAT TIME WERE TERRIFIED OF THE FRENCH AND FRENCH RULE, BOTH WHITES AND BLACKS FELT THE SAME WAY.

    ‘The people of that era were terrified that the French would win and Barbados become a French colony. It was the Battle of Trafalgar that was the turning point and resulted in us being and English Colony without ever changing. The people showed their appreciation by building the statue. We now have no fears nor worries about becoming French and perhaps could not care less about Nelson, Trafalgar nor the French from our comfortable situation. However we should respect the wishes of our ancestors and hope that our children’s children would respect our choices.

    They felt so strongly that when Nelson won the Battle of Trafalgar they were so happy and relieved that they spent their own money to have the Stature commissioned and erected.

    You cannot ask for a greater indication and demonstration of their intent and support.
    Today we are here safe and relaxing and deciding to spit their faces and basically tell them that they were wrong and out of place to do that.

    WE WISH TO REWRITE HISTORY AND ERASE ANYTHING WHICH DOES NOT FIT IN WITH OUR MODERN DAY BETTER THAN THOUGH FEELINGS.

    …We have to understand the fear of a French Invasion the people, all of them, had. There was no wireless communication, telephones nor WhatsApp. That’s why there were signal stations all along the coast. That is why Gun Hill exists. A sail on the horizon could very well be the lead ship of an invasion fleet. Imagine living under that constant threat for over 100 years! Trafalgar was a pivotal battle in world history and changed the history of the Atlantic World. It was only after that, that some European countries, which had been sitting on the fence, started to side with England against Napoleon and made it possible for the Royal Navy to implement a blockade which eventually strangled him. The battle at Trafalgar was against the combined French and Spanish fleets and was devastating. There were other battles after Trafalgar, in which Rodney came into the picture. Fast forward the tape to the mid-twentieth century. The Battle of Stalingrad, also one of the most pivotal battles in world history, was not the last battle of WW 2, but after that, it was clear Germany couldn’t win. Note the parallel. The statue was erected to commemorate the VICTORY. And it was that victory which made it possible for Barbados to evolve and develop in the way it has. We have to acknowledge and come to terms with our history, as painful as much of it is. Trying to obliterate aspects of it will not achieve that.

    ……THE BLACKS WERE ALSO SUPPORTIVE ON THE DECISION TO CELEBRATE NELSON BECAUSE THEY KNEW HOW THE FRENCH TREATED THEIR SUBJECTS.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157843507704735&set=p.10157843507704735&type=3&theater

  22. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    People are even calling for the resignation of the COP, the claim is that once again he allowed the government to use him to lie to the Black electorate and the world about police brutality on the island, just as he was used it is claimed to cover up the murder of Natalie Critchlow…

    less than 3 years to election…ticktock.


  23. All Nelson and the Cenotaph symbolise is “Greater love hath no man ….”

    It is universal.

    John 15:13
    King James Version
    13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    The Cenotaph living Bajans can relate to, but as we too pass away, the historic dummies that we produce a dime a dozen will also be one day be unable to even relate to that.

  24. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    The origins of the Bajan yardfowl…..Sheman Lorenzo, Fowl Enuff etc, look how yall were captured….and can never get away…ha

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217207890574832&set=a.3925241974991&type=3&eid=ARDD7JcWjxC6lWlqMThYlhQXBBcSBbgxsE8hfIL6xR0rI9F6Y-tL3X3bAuQoXh0DWsy8BnGmd_xvoSI7

  25. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “Apparently we are soon to discover exactly how many Barbadians are ready to free themselves from mental slavery. ”

    oh we will see soon enuff, the anti-black, black face racist for PM is banking on black bajans WANTING to remain mentally ENSLAVED…so she would be free to carry out her evil plans against them of robbing them to enrich tiefing minorities, that is her only goal, that is why she told a red bag full of LIES TO BE ELECTED….that is why she set up the deceased Holder child’s mother and had her arrested, all to save one of her stinking thieves Maloney…that is why she believes she will leave the black population in economic bondage indefinitely..

    we will definitely see..


  26. We should be looking to honour the Bajans and other West Indians who fought the French at Trafalgar and other battles in the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars.

    There will be plenty who fought and died between 1794 and 1815 who are now forgotten and deserve recognition.

    The expedition against Guadeloupe in 1794 for example, had Barbadians of all colours present.

    The dead of the British Regiment are memorialised just outside the Museum.

    Add a plaque to the forgotten West Indians beside Nelson.

    Did you know that the crew of HMS Victory also included West Indians and Jamaicans?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-black-heroes-of-trafalgar-320576.html


  27. Mia says decision after public consultation
    +++++++++++
    Ahh the so called public consultation.. What form is this public consultation going to take? It is amazing that a Gov’t with a 30-0 majority can’t make a decision on some issues unless it has some sort of public “consultation”. It is adept at kicking the can down the road except when it comes to rewarding its friends or filling the pockets of its numerous Ministers. We are awaiting the public consultation on marijuana legislation; the consultation on Integrity legislation and when the Minister of Education made a bold statement on the fate of the eleven plus a Gov’t member suggested it should be subjected to a referendum.

    “Referendums” can’t done but decisions are not forthcoming, the PM is counting on the notorious “short memories” of Bajans and know it can promise and not deliver and as the issue slowly recedes from Bajan memories she has a grace period of approximately 20 years and her BLP successor will have to deal with the issue while Dame Mia counts the humming birds in her retirement garden.

    Don’t stop the Carnival


  28. (Quote):
    I think that is where we are likely to go back after consultation, but this is a Government that works with people and consults people. (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How will this “consultation” be conducted?

    By way of referendum as in the case of the ‘proposed’ referendum on recreational marijuana promised in the book of electioneering gimmicks?

    Why not achieve it the same way ‘consensus’ was reached on the medicinal marijuana matter?

    Aren’t the voices of those 30 members of Parliament representative of the will of people and, ipso facto, the conscience of your God who happens to be a Bajan?

    Why not be proactive and save the country a lot of the fast dwindling taxpayers’ dosh by having ONE referendum which would not only cover the fate of Nelson and Mary Jane but also that of the role of the British monarchy in the future governance of the island which likes to boast about punching above its weight but still wants to hold onto the monarch’s apron strings?


  29. None of the ten national heroes of Barbados laid down their lives for their friends, in fact, one is still alive.

    Not one of them merit inclusion in a space already occupied with memorials to those who actually did lay down their lives.


  30. Nelson statue should be placed next to the Stavronikita.


  31. 30 to nought is an absolute majority and creates a de facto dictatorship.

    This gives the PM the ability to act or don’t act on any issue.

    Next election you will hear ” I could have but I didn’t because ……


  32. In some civilized countries around the world which have lost sons and daughters in war and don’t know their identities a Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is built and the remains of one representative placed inside.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknown_Soldier

    For sure it will be difficult to track down those Bajans who gave their lives in the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars.

    The British West India Regiment was formed in this period.

    Perhaps This Regiment may have a list of casualties from this period.


  33. HantsJune 22, 2020 8:40 AM

    30 to nought is an absolute majority and creates a de facto dictatorship.

    This gives the PM the ability to act or don’t act on any issue.

    Next election you will hear ” I could have but I didn’t because ……

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is no need for a public consultation if the dead of the West India Regiment are added.


  34. (Quote):
    Not one of them merit inclusion in a space already occupied with memorials to those who actually did lay down their lives. (Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Did Winston Churchill lay down his life to save the ‘colonies’ from a Hitler invasion?

    Wouldn’t he qualify as a British hero suitable for pride of place in Bridgetown?

    Wasn’t the Cornwallis attacked twice and eventually sunk by German U-boats in Bajan coastal waters?

    Didn’t Churchill do more to save Bajans (and their sugar industry) from the Nazis than Nelson did to save Barbadoes from the French in a battle which took place just off the tip of Spain?

  35. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Perpetrating fraud on the people incessantly, generationally and that is only when these thieves in DBLP are not outright robbing them of every dime, just doing the basic to keep the island afloat from 1966…until they could not pretend anymore, TIEFIN TOO MUCH from their own people…..then the whole economy collapsed and they cannot explain why, every lie they tell sounds hollow and untrue, they have lied for far too long.


  36. @Miller June 22, 2020 8:58 AM

    I would see things the other way around. It was not Britain that liberated the world, but two World Wars that brought Great Britain to its knees and destroyed the colonial system of the British. Without the First and Second World Wars, Barbados would still be a poor crown colony.

  37. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Kudos@ Donna, perfectly well stated re ‘Our PM had decided to lead from behind. But only on this issue”.

    But is it mental slavery or a crass political calculus of an odious form of ‘peonage’: modern day Massa donations to their political parties/well being!

    I am totally perplexed that successive govts were unable to negotiate moving the monument to an alternative location (call it an ostentatious new home rather than museum or ‘screw-dock’) to allow all our local ‘white shadows’ to continue to bask in the Admiral’s brilliance and more importantly to get it OUT of our modern Heroes Square…

    That is no longer Trafalgar Sq., for goodness sake… and this is 2020 Barbados NOT 1920 or 1820 Lil England.

    Enough already.


  38. That looked also at the possibility of moving the statue to what was then by the Screw Dock by Fort Willoughby. The Screw Dock at the time was one of the last remaining functioning screw docks in the world. Therefore the notion of a naval museum, a maritime museum, was very much on the cards.

    “I think that is where we are likely to go back after consultation, but this is a Government that works with people and consults people. I’ve told you my personal position but my personal position is not foisted on people when it comes to wedge issues,” Mottley said.

    ##########

    This government is taking Bajans for fools. 22 years since a decision was taken to move that offensive statue and it’s still standing there and now you need more consultation? About what? What maritime museum? We don’t have a navy and don’t own ocean going vessels so why would we need a maritime museum? Is all of this just to keep honouring Nelson? In any event, under IMF/BERT austerity there’s no money to be building any new museum right now. If you don’t want the statue in the bottom of the careenage, you can put it in a room up at the museum and ask Trevor Marshall to write the display panels for it, explaining the historical context,eg why the planters put it up and the struggle to take it down. It doesn’t need no big set of consultation and no more money and time spending on this issue.

    Why you need consultation on this issue but there was no consultation on whether you put the country in the hands of the IMF, on the austerity measures the IMF imposed, on all the people who get send home even before Covid 19, on increasing the bus fares, increasing the cost of water and sanitation and many more things? By the way, since when is taking down a statue of a racist defender of slavery a ‘wedge issue’ in a society of over 95% African descendants? How comes BOSS isn’t a wedge issue or sending home public sector workers isn’t a wedge issue?

    The government needs to stop taking Bajans for fools and tell us the truth about why you so frightened to take down this Nelson statue.


  39. That should have been ” Our PM has decided to lead from behind.”


  40. Teewhite…..these two trash governments honestly tell themselves that the Black population are fools, have told themselves that for 50 years…won’t they be surprised to find out otherwise.


  41. And then got the NERVE to remove the earth from sacred burial ground where the ancestors of African descended lay and took it all the way to Ghana….without CONSULTING the majority Black population…too damn uppity and disrespectful of the majority population…did not need any consulation of the people, just be damn insulting…

    …. but a racist statute, a symbol of hatred for the Black majority, a symbol of enslavement of their ancestors and PRESENT DAY MENTAL ENSLAVEMENT….because of the lies both wicked governments perpetrated on the same population…needs a consultation…careful what you ask for…


  42. Was this same uppity government telling itself it had control over the cruise line industry…dont seem like it to me..

    “Major cruise lines have agreed to voluntarily extend a suspension of operations out of U.S. ports until Sept. 15, the Cruise Lines International Association announced Friday.

    “Due to the ongoing situation within the U.S. related to COVID-19, CLIA member cruise lines have decided to voluntarily extend the period of suspended passenger operations,” CLIA, which represents the largest cruise companies in the world, said in a statement. “It is increasingly clear that more time will be needed to resolve barriers to resumption in the United States.”


  43. MillerJune 22, 2020 8:58 AM

    (Quote):
    Not one of them merit inclusion in a space already occupied with memorials to those who actually did lay down their lives. (Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Did Winston Churchill lay down his life to save the ‘colonies’ from a Hitler invasion?

    Wouldn’t he qualify as a British hero suitable for pride of place in Bridgetown?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Course not, he did not lay down his life.

    He did save the world and by extension the colonies, but unlike Nelson he did not lay down his life.


  44. Name me one name inside that special place of memorials who did not lay down his life!!!


  45. Churchill does not merit inclusion, regardless of his feats.

  46. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    People are realizing it’s another evil scam to rob the treasury, to rob the people again, the sell out black governemnt that don’t know when to stop TIEFING …there was already a consultation….22 YEARS AGO….LIAR…

    “Olutoye Walrond
    2 hrs
    We’ve already had a national consultation on this matter: the Brancker Commission. We spent money on that exercise. Recommendations were made, but nothing done. I hope we’re not going to repeat that exercise with the cost involved. And why does something this simple require national consultation?

    Leadership is about leading. Governments make far more important decisions without public consultations than this one. Please, Mam, don’t waste our money on another meaningless exercise. If you think Nelson should move, move him.”


  47. @Sargeant

    No referendum required. In fact we are still waiting on the referendum on going to a Republican.

  48. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    The lying deceutful government is obviously trying to also buy time while wasting taxpayers money AGAIN..

    Waiting for the TREND to blow over to resume the small island racism against tge Black majority AGAIN.

    So who has not gone to the Museum of Natural History and seen this statue standing there….so who the hell is shitstained nobody nelson.

    “(CNN)A statue of President Theodore Roosevelt in front of the American Museum of Natural History in New York City will be removed, a statement from New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s office said Sunday.

    Following the museum’s request to remove the statue, which features the nation’s 26th President on a horse with a Native American man standing on one side and an African man standing on the other, the mayor’s office announced the approval.

    The announcement comes as several state’s grapple with how to handle removals of confederate monuments and other controversial statues.”


  49. @ John June 22, 2020 12:52 PM
    “He did save the world and by extension the colonies, but unlike Nelson he did not lay down his life.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So why is there a statue of W C in London, just like that of Nelson?

    Does Walter Tull who “laid down his life” qualify to be “inside that special place of memorials”?

    Of course, we already know that you will employ your modus operandi when such soul searching questions about real ‘black heroes’ are posed to you!

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