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Submitted by Tee White (article submitted to the Nation newspaper)

Dear Editor

I was shocked to read your article in the Nation of 18 June, which reported that Minister of Culture, John King, is opposed to ‘dumping Nelson’.

Mr King is, of course, right that everybody can form their own personal opinions about any issue, including that of racism. However, the problem is that as Minister of Culture, he represents the people of Barbados. How would it reflect on our country if in international meetings he is defending the maintenance of statues glorifying racists and mass murderers even as countries all over the world are removing these offensive objects from the public space?

Mr King says that he has been reading the cabinet papers from previous discussions of this matter but demonstrates a shocking lack of understanding of the issue. I will pass without comment his preposterous statement that removing symbols that glorify racism, such as Nelson’s statue, amounts to visiting the horrors of chattel slavery on others. He appears to think that taking a stand against racism amounts to excluding non-Africans from the history of Barbados. According to this logic, every Bajan of non-African descent supports anti-African racism and the glorification of its architects. This is a terrible insult to those Bajans of non-African descent who strongly oppose racism and also demand the removal of statues and monuments that glorify it. Is John King not aware that the earliest rebellions in Barbados saw enslaved Africans and indentured Irish people fighting together against the oppressive powers of that time? Does he not see across the whole globe that millions of people of all nationalities and colours are taking a united stand against racism, and those who seek to glorify it?

The thing is that the foundation of racism, upon which modern Barbados was established, cannot be incorporated into any new Barbados in which we simply see each other as human beings because racism is opposed exactly to this concept and insists on categorising people into superior and inferior groups. That is why today, people are demanding that racism has no place in the modern world. You cannot defend racism and its symbols and at the same time claim to be against it. Would anyone take Germany seriously if it claimed to be against Nazism while maintaining statues and other monuments glorifying Hitler and the other leaders of the Nazi regime?

I wonder if Mr King’s comments about the parliament building, the wharf and elsewhere are serious comments. If they are, he really does have no understanding of this issue. Wasn’t Barbados itself around during slavery and playing a part in it? What are we to do with it? Throw it in the sea? The demand is very clear. Statues and monuments are some of the ways in which society honours individuals from the past. Those that glorify racists and people involved in the commission of crimes against humanity should be taken down from the public space because they are a statement that the society honours racism and crimes against humanity in the here and now.

There are, of course, many other issues in Barbados that need to be addressed in order to build a new and inclusive society that works for all Barbadians. However, we will make no headway with these if we are unable to confront and overcome the monster of racism that still disfigures our island. The taking down of Nelson is a small step in this effort.

On this issue, Minister King is quite simply wrong.

Read Minister John King’s article published in the Nation newspaper 18 June 2020


 

King not on board with dumping Nelson

MINISTER OF CULTURE John King is not in support of the wholesale removal of Lord Nelson’s statue in The City.

He told the media yesterday his opinions on Nelson and race on the whole were personal and he would stick by them, even if they cost him.

“There are a number of papers I am now studying, from about 2009, on discussions various Cabinets would have had on this issue, but on a personal note – and I know what I am about to say is going to upset a lot of people – I would agree that if you’re talking about Heroes Square,there are validations to the varied opinions. But I will not – and it could cost me everything – be a part or party of trying to do to others what we say has been done to us,” he said.

Calls for the removal of the statue were made again during last Saturday’s protest march through Bridgetown in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in the United Sates and across the world.

King said he did not believe in “stripping down everything and throwing it away”, saying there was a history before slavery and it was now time for a new mindset.

“If you are saying that during enslavement and the colonisation process, that our history, culture and way of life were wiped out and we came into places like the Americas as minorities, why would you now turn around and advocate to do the same thing to somebody else? The discussion we should be having is, if we want to remove this statue, where do we put it?

“How do we recognise the collective history of Barbados is not relegated solely to Barbadians of Afro descent? How do we also incorporate the history of the indigenous people who were here [first]? How do you incorporate

all of the groups that make up Barbados? Let us look at these things for what they are and use them to inspire ourselves to change our prejudices and look at each other as human beings,” he urged.

King said the Parliament Buildings

and the Wharf were around during slavery and played a part in it, asking if those too should be thrown away. He said the Nelson statue should be utilised to the advantage of Barbados while not disadvantaging anyone.

As for the Black Lives Matter movement, King, who as a calypsonian and Pic-O-De-Crop monarch performed social commentaries such as

Fool’s Paradise, How Many More? and I Want A Plantation, said he was accustomed to speaking out against social injustice on his own and would only join any group if and when he felt it necessary.

“I’ve always been advocating against racism, as an entertainer performing overseas and from growing up in England, so I know it well. What is going on in the Unites States has been going on for eons but it is now easier to see due to social media.

“[However] there are other issues right here I don’t hear people talking about, issues some people don’t want to protest, such as classism, which is also a knee on people’s necks. We need to talk about the violence in our own communities . . . and I don’t hear anyone talking about the history of the people we call ‘red legs’ in St John. I hope our future generations find themselves in a different place,” he said.

(CA)

 


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598 responses to “Minister John King is Wrong”


  1. Donna jackass you and others like the two from Canada want Ms Mottley because she has an 29 go 1 majority to act like a dictator.This would give you all opportunity to prance up claiming she is a dictator but Ms Mottley got more sense than all of you naysayers put together. She is taking the correct approach of going to the people for a decision that is what democracy is about not jumping on bandwagons.Leave that to idiots like you.God forbid anything happen to us in the caribbean who do you think we have to turn to einstein? The same USA, therefore it is unwise for us to play powful foolish.


  2. He did save the world and by extension the colonies, but unlike Nelson he did not lay down his life….(Quote)

    Evidence, plse.

  3. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Right…thought the people had forgotten that there was already a consultation done on nelson 22 years ago, but that little trick didn’t work now did it, could have gotten some little tiefing lawyer a whole million dollars for doing nothing but someone remembered and blew that lie in order to rob the treasury…..mile high..ha..

  4. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    More of Comissiong and his blah, blah, blah…a national disgrace.

    http://www.afrikanheritage.com/ego-sabotages-the-peoples-business/?fbclid=IwAR28g79oB3NU2R1i8gfqciphAJu3JQiVBx5JQhiNiElyEq_VGDqNAvu-zjU

    “David Denny

    For me one of the more substantive contributions to the programme came from Dr. Murray who said that White Barbados needs to be more present in speaking on racial injustice, not only over and away, but right here at home. He asked why no White person was represented on the panel to which the host replied, that the producers of the show had tried to get one on with no success. However, David Denny spoke to the fact that white people were present during the protest along with other people from other ethnic backgrounds. I took it that Dr. Murray was speaking of White representation on the matter from members of the White elite community who live in the land of White Privilege. Dr. Murray also noted that it was this White elite grouping that directs or influences Government decision making on various topics that affected them. Topics such as economics, the law and of course the removal of Nelson to name a few.

    Ambassador Comissiong in my estimation, failed miserably in his attempt to defend the governments position, while wrestling with his Pan-African conscience. He responded to Dr. Murray’s comments on “White Privilege” influence on the government by saying that growth is needed in various areas of the government, but that the focus should be on the social development that the people of Barbados have made for themselves since 1966. I am not too clear on what he was actually saying here. I know that the physical brutality of slavery was directly correlated to forced labour. The fact that physical brutality is no longer needed to extract the labour they need from us, does not change the reality of the essence of our bondage, which is economic. Successive governments have failed miserably in addressing this. In fact it is said that the BLP is a White Mans government.

    Anyhow, the pain intensified as the Ambassador stated that a task force of sorts was assembled 21 years ago, to investigate Nelson, and the effects of his presence on the people of Barbados, due to his location. The Ambassador noted the finding concluded with the advice that Nelson should be moved. The resolution to move Nelson was presented and passed in parliament, yet Nelson still stands. When asked why, the Ambassador simply said some detractors hindered the process of taking Nelson down. It was obvious that, that was not a question he could honestly field due to his place in the government. The David Comissiong I knew before his Pan- African teeth were extracted, would have made it clear that it was the same “White Elites” that went into conference among themselves and pressured the government not to move him.

    More pain hit me when the battle of the two Davids began when one David said that the government only made a public response to the George Floyd lynching after protest had gone up and Dr. Murray’s article on the silence of Prime Minister Mottley was publish in the Barbados Today Online newspaper. Again Ambassador David had to go into defense mode to defend the governments position saying he was commissioned to draft a letter for CARICOM stating its position of solidarity with the fight against racial injustice in America. He said the letter was not accepted by all member states of CARICOM thus it could not go forward. The fact is no one knew about this, in fact the Prime Minister of St Vincent said that he among others were waiting for a response to the situation to be written by CARICOM’S head, and expressed disappointment that it was not forthcoming.”


  5. Hal AustinJune 22, 2020 2:47 PM

    He did save the world and by extension the colonies, but unlike Nelson he did not lay down his life….(Quote)

    Evidence, plse.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Poking some fun!!!!


  6. MillerJune 22, 2020 2:36 PM

    @ John June 22, 2020 12:52 PM
    “He did save the world and by extension the colonies, but unlike Nelson he did not lay down his life.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So why is there a statue of W C in London, just like that of Nelson?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There are all sorts of statues in London, Montgomery, Slim etc.

    https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01fh-YIqWKcFzqppjdEDFMExQlI2Q:1592854571462&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=statues+in+whitehall+london&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi8qaTXlZbqAhUKZzABHeOCAlcQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1366&bih=657


  7. MillerJune 22, 2020 2:36 PM

    @ John June 22, 2020 12:52 PM
    “He did save the world and by extension the colonies, but unlike Nelson he did not lay down his life.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Does Walter Tull who “laid down his life” qualify to be “inside that special place of memorials”?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You can find his grave at Arras where he fell.

    Commonwealth War Graves Commission.

    He was a citizen of Great Britain so his memorial can be found with the dead of WWI in Britain.

    You can google and see.

    Here is a list of memorials.

    Tull is commemorated on Bay 7 of the Arras Memorial[24] which commemorates 34,785 soldiers who have no known grave, who died in the Arras sector.

    His name was added to his parents’ gravestone in Cheriton Road Cemetery, Folkestone. His older brother William, of the Royal Engineers, died in 1920, aged 37, and is buried in the cemetery with a CWGC headstone[25] so his death was recognised as a result of his war service.

    Tull’s name appeared on the war memorial at North Board School, Folkestone, unveiled on 29 April 1921.[26] He is named on the Folkestone War Memorial, at the top of the Road of Remembrance in Folkestone, and in Dover his name is on the town war memorial outside Maison Dieu House, and on the parish memorial at River.[27]

    Walter Tull memorial at the Sixfields Stadium, Northampton

    On 11 July 1999, Northampton Town F.C. unveiled a memorial wall to Tull in a garden of remembrance at Sixfields Stadium.[28] The text, written by Tull’s biographer, Phil Vasili, reads:

    Through his actions, W. D. J. Tull ridiculed the barriers of ignorance that tried to deny people of colour equality with their contemporaries. His life stands testament to a determination to confront those people and those obstacles that sought to diminish him and the world in which he lived. It reveals a man, though rendered breathless in his prime, whose strong heart still beats loudly.[29]

    A road behind the North Stand (The Dave Bowen Stand) at Sixfields Stadium is named Walter Tull Way, and a public house, adjacent to the stadium, bears his name.[30]

    On 28 July 2004, Tottenham Hotspur and Rangers contested the “Walter Tull Memorial Cup”. Rangers won the Cup, defeating Spurs 2–0 with goals from Dado Pršo and Nacho Novo.[31]

    In 2010, a planning application to erect a bronze memorial statue of Tull in Geraldine Mary Harmsworth Park close to the Imperial War Museum in London, was refused by Southwark London Borough Council.[32]

    The Royal Mint included a £5 coin honouring Tull in the introductory First World War six-coin set, released in 2014.[33]

    On 21 October 2014, a blue plaque was unveiled at 77 Northumberland Park, London N17, on the site of the house where Tull lived before the war, close to the White Hart Lane ground. The plaque was provided by the Nubian Jak Community Trust and was unveiled by former Spurs striker Garth Crooks who described Tull as an “amazing man,” whose recognition had been “a long time coming”.[34]

    On 4 July 2017, five statues including one of Tull were unveiled in the courtyard of Northampton Guildhall. The bronze installations were commissioned by Northampton Borough Council from sculptor Richard Austin.[35]

    On 25 March 2018, to commemorate the centenary of his death, Rushden & District History Society unveiled a blue plaque at 26 Queen Street, Rushden where he lodged while playing at Northampton Town.[36]

    In September 2018, to mark the centenary of the end of the First World War, Royal Mail produced a set of stamps, one of which features Tull.[37]

    On Remembrance Sunday 2018, the people of Ayr, Scotland, came together to etch a large sand portrait of Tull into the town’s beach as part of ‘Pages of the Sea’, a nationwide public art project curated by Oscar-winning filmmaker Danny Boyle.[38]


  8. And right on cue the limited range fowl cock called Lorenzo comes out to contribute his cockadoodledoos.

    Ms. Mottley does not consult us individually on most of what she does, which is fine for the most part as she was elected to govern.

    What makes the removal of this statue different??????


  9. @ Lorenzo June 22, 2020 2:45 PM
    “She is taking the correct approach of going to the people for a decision that is what democracy is about not jumping on bandwagons.Leave that to idiots like you.God forbid anything happen to us in the caribbean who do you think we have to turn to einstein?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But aren’t the Americans and British themselves removing statues and other artefacts erected to idolize white supremacy and slavery?

    How come the same people were not consulted when the country was taken to the IMF or the consultancy services of White Oak taken on in a twinkling of an eye on the public purse?

    We are sure that the parlous state of the country’s finances were quite known to the ‘red’ Opposition prior to 2018 with even Owen Arthur making the IMF bailout recommendation long before the elections.

    You, Lorenzaccio, must learn to accept criticism and tolerate opposing views the same way you used to launch tirades of abuse against the previous administration when ac, Fractured BLP et al were your mortal enemies in defending their blue beloved leader(s) the same way you are now defending your red beleaguered teddy bear which has found itself in totally uncharted waters.

    Wasn’t that also democracy at work?

    The mantra of alibis for the previous blue-bloody DLP administration was one of the ‘International Recession’ while they boldly looted the Treasury via the SOEs.

    What will be the one for the Reds for not implementing ITAL & FOI?
    Time??


  10. @ John June 22, 2020 3:44 PM
    “He was a citizen of Great Britain so his memorial can be found with the dead of WWI in Britain.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You don’t have to tell us what we already know about Walter Tull.

    What we want you to tell us if Nelson was a Barbadian and NOT a citizen of “Great Britain” to deserve such a ‘commanding’ location in an Independent Barbadoes.

    PS: why not check your records of all the free black people and see if Walter’s Barbadian father was in any way connected to our own Louis Tull’s fore parents; a family of carpenters by trade?

    It might just confirm your thesis that blacks and whites always lived in perfect harmony like ivory and ebony on a piano keyboard for money and sex cannot be made on the plantation without each other.

  11. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    The evil shit against young Black people has started in UK and imagine your wicked PM tried to send 50 of the most vulnerable Black people on the island to that racist shithole to be brutalized.

    https://www.facebook.com/FayTheComedianOfficialPage/videos/2338011883166725/?t=46


  12. Perhaps Mia lacks the ambition to launch Lord Nelson’s statue into exile. Perhaps she is praying that a handful of stoic Bajans may topple Nelson in the “wee” small hours of the night thereby absolving her of any blame and saving us all another interminable “Barbados style” consultation.


  13. “The evil shit against young Black people has started in UK and imagine your wicked PM tried to send 50 of the most vulnerable Black people on the island to that racist shithole to be brutalized.”

    Stupse!


  14. @ WURA-War-on-U June 22, 2020 4:12 PM

    That young black man was lucky, thanks to social media.

    If it was the good ole days that black guy would have been lynched for even looking at a white woman far less walking with them.

    Up to now the likes of John and Lawson cannot tell us why white boys are so jealous of black men.

    Is it because of some ‘bigger’ thing they, the white boys, were born without?

    Now you know the real reason why the white man criminalized the use of marijuana with the stupid black governments aping their white masters.

    The white women would have lost their inhibitions under the influence of mary jane when in the presence of the black bulge.

    Is the constant harassment and brutalization of a black man by groups of white boys a clear Freudian manifestation of deep-seated phallic envy?


  15. .
    “The expedition against Guadeloupe in 1794 for example, had Barbadians of all colours present.”

    **** Note the date (1794) and you know some were there of their own free will fighting for queen and country and for others it was not a choice – die fighting to please your master or suffer the whippings, torture or even death from the master.


  16. TheeOgazertsJune 22, 2020 5:21 PM

    .
    “The expedition against Guadeloupe in 1794 for example, had Barbadians of all colours present.”

    **** Note the date (1794) and you know some were there of their own free will fighting for queen and country and for others it was not a choice – die fighting to please your master or suffer the whippings, torture or even death from the master.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The French had the guillotine in Guadeloupe!!!

    Good reason to fight them, regardless of colour.

    No brainer if you think about it … assuming you still had your head!!

    The French were much like the Nazis.

    Like the Nazis, ended with destruction.

    In fact, if you check Collymore’s Barbadian Dialect you will see “Go to France” is equivalent to “Go to Hell” and has its origins in the period leading up to and following Napoleon.

    You will also find Alsopp’s book claiming it was because of WWI but Collymore came and found it before WWI!!

    Never dawned on him that is it was WWI.

    The French threatened the whole of the Caribbean, Barbados included.


  17. Come on Grasshopper, I need a challenge!!


  18. For some it was fight or the guillotine.
    For others, it was slavery of one form or another.
    So I see we are establishing an order of cruelty Quakers >English >French.
    What about the others,… Spanish etc.
    The rivalry between the English and French is well documented.

  19. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Of course a yardfowl tied to a tree would see nothing wrong with that….a total waste of oxygen..


  20. Man, even I tuned in to the Trump rally. People are always drawn to a disaster.

    Poor you. You made a fool yourself over the attendance – TWICE and now you come with that weak riposte????

    PS. Did you hear that two more of his advance team tested positive for Covid? That will be yet another disaster. Maybe he’ll kill more than died in the white racist massacre.

    And…

    How about a “Meanwhile in Miami….” COVID EDITION?


  21. @ Quaker John,

    London Bourne once owned the 169-acre Grazettes estate; another black man, Thomas Ellis, once owned the 480-acre Clement Castle estate. Ellis also owned the 168-acre Cane Field plantation and the 57-acre Dalby. Haggatt Hall was owned by Robert Collymore, a black rights campaigner.
    Who were the other black men who owned vast amounts of property shortly after 1838?

  22. Freedom Crier Avatar

    Exert from the Black Heroes of Trafalgar…

    THE BLACK SAILORS WERE SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE ROYAL NAVY THAT A BLACK FIGURE IS GIVEN A KEY ROLE IN THE PAINTING OF THE DEATH OF NELSON…

    By Daniel Maclise which is in the Walker Art Gallery, Liverpool, with a copy on the wall of the Royal Gallery in the House of Lords. The sailor, flanked by two redcoats, is pictured in the centre of the canvas, standing over the dying Nelson, and he is pointing up at the rigging, probably at the sniper who fired the fatal ball that had penetrated Lord Nelson’s spine.

    An almost identical black figure was also carved later on the plinth on the south side of Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square. The man is unidentified, but may be one of the nine West Indians who were listed on board the Victory at the battle. They include Jonathan Hardy, 25, an ordinary seaman, John Thomas, 23, a Jamaican landsman, or John Francois, 32, an ordinary seaman. George Ryan, 24, also was listed as “African”.

    Colin White, director of Trafalgar 200 and curator of Nelson and Napoleon at the National Maritime Museum, said: “There were certainly ‘men of colour’ on the British side at Trafalgar. There were, for example, West Indians and an African on board the Victory, as well as Indians.”

    Nelson’s Navy may now be seen as being as English as boiled beef, but the Victory muster book listed only 441 English on board on the morning of the battle. The remainder were a seafaring United Nations: 64 Scots, 63 Irish, 18 Welsh, 3 Shetlanders, 2 Channel Islanders, one Manxman, 21 Americans, 7 Dutch, 6 Swedes, 4 Italians, 4 Maltese, 3 Norwegians, 3 Germans, 2 Swiss, 2 Portuguese, 2 Danes, 2 Indians, 1 Russian, 1 Brazilian, 1 African, 9 West Indians, and three French volunteers.

    https://albertdock.com/media/1848/black-salt-5050-img1.jpg

  23. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Another one bites the dust…

    The fight to remove Confederate monuments has only intensified over the last month of nationwide protests. Now, it’s not only protestors asking for these monuments to be removed but even the relatives of those who had monuments made in their memory.

    “AJC reports that 44 descendants of Confederate Gen. John B. Gordon have sent a letter to Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) requesting that the monument of Gordon at the state capitol building be removed. In calling for the removal of the statue the family wrote that the “primary purpose of the statue was to celebrate and mythologize the white supremacists of the Confederacy.” The letter went on to say “The continuing presence of this statue on public property serves to negate and undermine the past and ongoing struggle of Georgians to overcome and reverse the legacy of slavery and oppression of black Americans.”

    The bronze monument depicts Gordon on a horse in full Confederate attire. Gordon was not only a general in the Confederate army but is also widely believed to have been a leader in the Ku Klux Klan. Nothing says our government isn’t a vessel for white supremacy like having a monument to a literal white supremacist in front of a state capitol building.

    In the wake of George Floyd’s killing, protestors have consistently been seen at the capitol protesting the monument. The fight to remove the monument has one significant hurdle by way of a law Gov. Kemp passed in 2019. That law prohibits Confederate monuments from being completely removed and instead they must be relocated to a “site of similar prominence.”


  24. These statues are falling in the areas of white political power, but on a majority black nation with majority black rule the statue of Nelson has not moved an inch.

    That tells you where the real power is.


  25. I can’t help but marvel at how in our zeal to display our wokeness, we continue to trivialise BLM. SMFH


  26. Hal AustinJune 22, 2020 6:22 PM

    @ Quaker John,

    London Bourne once owned the 169-acre Grazettes estate; another black man, Thomas Ellis, once owned the 480-acre Clement Castle estate. Ellis also owned the 168-acre Cane Field plantation and the 57-acre Dalby. Haggatt Hall was owned by Robert Collymore, a black rights campaigner.
    Who were the other black men who owned vast amounts of property shortly after 1838?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Here are a few.

    Burkes and Brittons, 432 Acres

    Mary Ann Ashby formerly a slave, my ancestor and her 10 children of colour owned Burkes Plantation (310 Acres) and Brittons Plantation (121 Acres) from 1839 when Robert Cooper Ashby died.

    Vaucluse 582 Acres

    1843 Will 70/225
    Henry Peter Simmons, aged 67. Vaucluse pltn, bequeathed to friend Isabella Young for life. At her death the pltn bequeathed to testator’s 2 “natural coloured and reputed sons, Harry Simmons and John Alleyne Simmons” both baptized in St. Thomas on 5th March 1820 and both the children “of a woman on my pltn named Molly Harry now dec’d”. Executors Thomas Ellis of St. Thomas also a free coloured man born of a coloured woman and a pltn owner who bequeathed him his pltn – Canefield
    (John Alleyne Simmons died 31 May, 1860 in St. Leonard’s Parish, Sussex, England and bequeathed Vaucluse to his 2 children, Henry Ellis Gresham Simmons and Caroline Marie Simmons)
    1843? Shilstone xxxv – appr.: £56,664
    1842–49 Henry P. Simmons (’46 dec’d) (580 in ’42) 582
    1847–70 John A. Simmons [John H. died 1860 – BMHS 27:119] (575 in ’47, ’48, ’50) 582


  27. Kendal (784 acres) came close but during slavery. The will was challenged successfully but Joshua Steele’s slave children still benefitted.

    1736 Will 27/67
    Samuel Osborne of St. James (one of the biggest pltn owners in B’dos history), bequeaths Kendal pltn to eldest son, Robert Osborne (Robert Kendal Osborne? Bequeathed Kendal to his wife as life tenant and then to his daughter and her heirs. His daughter died and bequeathed Kendal to her mother who married an Irishman, Joshua Steele in England. On his stepdaughter’s? death, (Beckles letter says wife died and Elizabeth left her share to Steele) Joshua Steele came to B’dos to manage Kendal himself. He also leased Byde Mill adjoining Kendal and stated that his property was 1068 ac, i.e. including Byde Mill which was 320 ac, Kendal was therefore 748 ac. Steele was a remarkable man of wide cultural and scientific interests. He altered the status of his slaves to that of feudal serfs but the experiment died with him. (For system see BMHS x 62–67, Lucas Mss.)
    Beckles letter (Estate had to be sold in Chancery Court to pay debtors and Steele bought it)
    See Halletts – Steele inherited from step daughter? Advocate 82-03-07 (Nat. Tr.)
    BMHS 22:84 – inherited from wife, Sarah Osborne
    Francis Bell tried to continue Steele’s experiment and it was only after his death and 16 years of litigation that the estate was sold in Chancery

    1796 Will 38/283
    Joshua Steele. Bequeaths ½ Kendal to spinster sister, Mary Ann Steele of England and the other ½ to his 2 slave children, Edward and Katherine Steele
    (Edward & Katherine Steele were Joshua Steele’s children from a mulatto slave on Byde Mill named Anna Statia. By law Edward and Katherine Steele were not Joshua Steele’s property as he did not own their mother. As slaves, they could not inherit property. Joshua Steele’s executor Francis Bell bought the children and sent them to England where they were manumitted in an attempt to secure their legacy, probably for his own benefit as he was heavily in debt. The Osborne heirs headed by Sir Philip Gibbes, bart, contested Joshua Steele’s will in so far as it applied to Edward and Katherine successfully. However, their aunt, Mary Ann Steele compensated them for theire loss by a large cash bequest charged on Kendal in her will.

    1802 S. Ref. CS 261 B3 (BMHS Beclkes folder) (Handler, 60)
    Letter from Sir Philip Gibbes to Hon, John Beckles, Attorney General and Speaker of the House of Assembly, legal counsel for Francis Bell. Gibbes explains and defends his action re Joshua Steele’s will.


  28. Robert Cooper Ashby’s ancestors were all Quaker.

    Sounds from the language of his will he may have been one as well.


  29. BTW, he was second in command at Oistin’s Fort during the 1816 Slave uprising.

    Mary Ann was pregnant with my ancestor.

    Robert Cooper Ashby was interviewed by the Stipendiary Magistrates and the interview is described in Thome and Kimball.


  30. During slavery, the testator would use his will to give freedom to his slave or slaves and bequeath them land.

    From earliest Quaker times!!!


  31. DonnaJune 22, 2020 6:11 PM

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just wanted to warm your cockles!!


  32. DonnaJune 22, 2020 6:11 PM

    How about a “Meanwhile in Miami….” COVID EDITION?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Had you listened to Trump you would have got the explanation.

    More tests = more cases.


  33. Soooo….. more testing leads to more hospitalized patients??????
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    You and he are becoming more unhinged by the hour!

    Get some help!


  34. @David

    May I suggest that you provide “John” with his own section so he can blog about his version of Bajan Quaker history, about who begat whom, who was a Quaker, who was a good slave etc. so that all who care can head over there and he can continue his literary masturbatory efforts ad nauseam.


  35. (Quote):
    THE BLACK SAILORS WERE SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE ROYAL NAVY THAT A BLACK FIGURE IS GIVEN A KEY ROLE IN THE PAINTING OF THE DEATH OF NELSON…(Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You react as if the blacks who served on Admiral Nelson’s flag ship were the first Africans to play an obvious role in the affairs of the British state and featured prominently in paintings and tapestry depicting royal events of historic importance.

    Have you ever heard of John Blanke the celebrity of Tudor times?

    Do you and your ilk actually believe that the average intelligent Christian-minded black Bajan would object to the retention of the statue of Admiral Nelson if he were just a ‘professional’ naval commander working for his country and dying in the service of his mad King?

    The man was not only a naval officer born in England but also an open racist and a documented proponent of black chattel slavery in the West Indies.

    Without that eternal tag of being an admitted racist and anti-abolitionist the statue of the little rather sickly man called Lord Nelson would be as innocuous to the psyche of the average black Bajan as the lion at Gun Hill in Saint George is to their eyes.

    Why should a so-called modern “independent” country be the poster boy for a man who extolled all the values of a white supremacist in a country which is populated predominantly by the descendants of the same beings he considered to be sub-human and fit only (in the sight of his god) to be in subservience to the white planter class?

    Why not let the ghost of the man rest ad infinitum as a museum piece in the history books of Bim.


  36. DonnaJune 22, 2020 9:59 PM

    Soooo….. more testing leads to more hospitalized patients??????
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    You and he are becoming more unhinged by the hour!

    Get some help!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    12 deaths between yesterday and today.

    If you lived in Chicago and happened to be black the odds of you dying from a gunshot wound would be higher.

    So if you live in Chicago and are black you have two choices, move to Florida or vote the Democrats out.

    … assuming of course you did not have a death wish.


  37. Go look at the numbers.


  38. MillerJune 22, 2020 10:54 PM

    (Quote):
    THE BLACK SAILORS WERE SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE ROYAL NAVY THAT A BLACK FIGURE IS GIVEN A KEY ROLE IN THE PAINTING OF THE DEATH OF NELSON…(Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You react as if the blacks who served on Admiral Nelson’s flag ship were the first Africans to play an obvious role in the affairs of the British state and featured prominently in paintings and tapestry depicting royal events of historic importance.

    Have you ever heard of John Blanke the celebrity of Tudor times?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Could very well have been a member of one of the British West India Regiment (BWIR) which embarked with Nelson’s Fleet from Barbados on 4th June 1805.

    The 15th and 9th Regiments plus three to four hundred members of the 6th West India boarded at Barbados so Nelson had perhaps a couple of thousand black Barbadian soldiers distributed through the 18 ships that left Barbados looking for the French.

    I suspect many of them disembarked at Trinidad which had been captured from the Spanish in 1797/8.


  39. A memorial to the dead of BWIR is missing and would serve to complement the Cenotaph.

    To the best of my knowledge there is none in Barbados.

    Such a memorial would help balance the presence of the Nelson and assuage many who complain of his presence and seek a more balanced representation of the 21 year conflict.

    Black and white Barbadians also served and gave their lives in the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars and other conflicts.

    Who were they?

  40. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Comissiong is certainly earning his props and stripes on FB as a 5% mulatto, we know the sell outs do love their colonial labels and then a huge TRAITOR of Black people sign in red on his chest, he is becoming more and more despicable by the minute…

    it has been attributed to him about making it his business to include indian descendants of indentureship in his quest for Reparations….but someone need to tell him that indian indentureship is NONE OF HIS DAMN BUSINESS….indians have their own represenatives who HAVE MOUTHS and can READ and WRITE.

    ….and not only was AFRICAN ENSLAVEMENT,/slave trade OUT OF AFRICA nothing to do with INDIAN INDENTURESHIP OUT OF INDIA… but they were also TWO DIFFERENT ERAS…you disrespectful as*hole…..two different eras, two different experiences for two different people and the one HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER…..but as a sleazy ass sell out for a lawyer, any scam or opportunity to rob the African descended of their birthright would fit into his and his fellow lowlifes in parliament future plans….

    what a stinking thing posing as a man…they all think they are so special and smarter than everyone else and no one can see through their evil future plans for the African descended….

    he is a sell out and should be made a pariah and COMPLETELY shunned by the Black population in Barbados…he deserves no less…

  41. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Piece has been completely vindicated, all those who have for years voiced that Comissiong is no damn good and a liability on the Black majority population have also been vindicated…


  42. Whilst D.C. fights for the inclusion of Indians; F. C. appears to be fighting for the Irish diaspora. As for Minister King?
    I agree with you Waru.

  43. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Can’t for the life of me understand why the sell outs think that would make sense to people who can think for themselves. although they all spent decades making sure that never happened…..

    two different experiences…….brutal chattel enslavement for Africans……

    Indians were house servants, some were in the fields but not at the end of a slave whip

    two different eras….14th century to 18th century enslavement for Africans….

    ..18th century to 19th century INDENTURESHIP for indians brought to the Caribbean …ALL of the enslavement and genocide against them occured in INDIA in previous centuries, not in the Caribbean

    two different people…Contnient of Afirca…..Continent of India..

    and indians in the Caribbean are well aware that they have to unite and PUT IN THEIR OWN APPLICATION FOR REPARATIONS…they do not need sell out Comissiong..

    Comissiong can go fcuk off…..the sell out POS.

    when the house negros want to sell out their own people they come up with all types of dirty tricks and lies..

    the only leg the FC fraud has to stand on is that they have to apply directly to UK for whatever negative experience over the centuries they were exposed to when they were REJECTED and DEPORTED by UK to Barbados and other countries…is that UK IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, because Black people on the island OWE THEM NOTHING, it’s none of the Black population’s business and it’s about time they all stop feeding off the majority population as they have been allowed to for centuries like the parasites and generational thieves that they all are…..all of them have mouths, they always have lip for the black population…all of them can read and right and they all know where to find UK…including the indians..


  44. No, YOU go look at the numbers!

    Ron di Santos has already conceded. Hospitalizations up in Florida. That has NOTHING to do with testing. The deaths are down mainly because it is the younger people out and about who are getting it and surviving. We shall soon see if they are staying away from their older relatives. There is a lag time.

    You are fighting a losing battle here. Did you see what happened at Nascar today?

    THIS TIME IS FOR REAL! YOU GUYS ARE GOING THE WAY OF THE DINOSAUR.

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  45. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    TLSN…it is summed up in one comment….for the deceitful sell outs, liars and frauds like Comissiong..all who try to draw paralells bewteen African chattel enslavement and Indian indentureship CANNOT be trusted and should be shunned as pariahs at all times…

    “PachamamaJune 22, 2020 5:07 PM

    Miller
    Chattel slavery stands alone as the worst of all abomination.

    Those who seek to find parallels with serfdom, indentureship, other forms of deprivation will never be able to overcome the mountain of wickedness therein represented.”

  46. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Of course the black face sell outs in Barbados’ parliament would be aware of all of this, they took bribes to allow the tiny population of indians on the island to institutionalize this level of racism to be practiced against the black population for decades so that is what really attracts and is FUELING their latest scam now in the planning stages… against their own people….lead by fraud Comissiong.. they are all aware that indians are out and out racists, believe they are better than black people, hate anyone associating them with blackness, but only use black people so they can survive. Despicable Comissiong needs to read this…

    https://libya360.wordpress.com/2020/06/09/arundhati-royindian-racism-towards-black-people-is-almost-worse-than-white-peoples-racism/?fbclid=IwAR3peElOz5cfb_uXCX6qxe8fOwqGRUKq-JiDBC4S0KRGWujPpdbHLBfJ09g

    “DC: We see Indians trending #blacklivesmatter but in this very country we find continuous attacks on Blacks? How do Indians see Blacks or what stereotype do we Indians have of them?

    Look at the Indian obsession with fair skin. It is one of the most sickening things about us. If you watch Bollywood movies you’d imagine India was a country of white folks. Indian racism towards Black people is almost worse than white peoples’ racism. It’s unbelievable. I’ve seen it happen on the streets when I’ve been with Black friends. And sometimes it comes from people whose skin colour is really no different! Rarely have I been so enraged and ashamed. That racism has manifested in outright attacks. In 2014, soon after the Aam Aadmi Party won a massive mandate in the Delhi elections, the Law Minister Somnath Bharti led a group of people on a midnight raid, a group of Congolese and Ugandan women were physically attacked and humiliated in Khirki for being involved with “immoral and illegal activities”. In 2017 African students were attacked and beaten by a vigilante mob in Greater NOIDA, charged with selling drugs. But racism in India is vast and varied. Who can forget the BJP Member of Parliament Tarun Vijay’s defense of racism after the NOIDA attack—“If we were racist, why would the entire South–you know the Tamils, you know Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra–why do we live with them?” Why do they live with us? He should tell us black South Indian folks. I’d like to know his reasons.”

  47. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Miller….all the small time minority racists are being invited by the parliament sellouts to jump on the reparations bandwagon. It has become their TREND taking it upon themselves and without any CONSULTATION with the black population to plan this crime against the people.. Anything to sabotage what the majority population and descendants of the African enslaved are entitled to, our birthright. More the reason to kick Mia and her gang of taxyayer paid parasites out of the parliament permanently in 2023. They continue to show themselves as not fit for purpose and will never mean the majority Black population well. It was exposed on FB that they are known as the white man government. They have no shame.

    I told UK already i dont want any of these stinking half human colonial criminals in Barbados’ parliament representing me and mine.


  48. @ WURA-War-on-U June 23, 2020 4:55 AM

    Comissiong is trying to distort history for his own selfish agenda of pandering to the East Indian community for its continuing financial support of his ‘favourite’ political party.

    East Indians were never the ‘subjects’ of the dehumanizing aspects of chattel slavery in the West Indies.

    They arrived after the abolition of slavery to replace the plantation- fleeing black labour force in the emerging semi-mechanized sugarcane industries in places like the Guianas and Trinidad.

    Those East Indians brought with them their own culture and religion which- unlike the African slaves who were purposely denuded of theirs- are still intact today.

    So there is absolutely NO basis on which a case can be made for reparations on behalf of the East Indian Diaspora for the ‘black’ holocaust which resulted from chattel slavery in the West Indies.

    They were not included in the calculation of the large compensation packages awarded to the white slave owners by the British government at the time of the abolition of chattel slavery in the West Indies.

    Let those ‘West Indians’ of East Indian descent deal directly with their former colonial masters for any commercial exploitation they might have suffered from their ‘induced’ transportation to the British colonies in the West Indies.

    Let them see what it feels like to be victims of British white racism the same way the black West Indians of the Windrush generation had to endure.

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