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Highly reliable test kits are available from Germany at a cost of Bd$346 per hundred tests. We immediately need to acquire 1 million tests for under 4 million dollars (that includes chartering a private jet to bring them here).

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/asia/testing-coronavirus-science-intl-hnk/index.html

This is the most important way of dealing with the pandemic because without data about infection rates we are simply pissing into the wind with every other measure that we take.

We need mass testing now.

– Peter Lawrence Thompson

There has been a call by a BU commenter and philanthropist Peter Thompson for the Barbados government to initiate mass testing for the COVID-19 virus, NOW.

 

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327 responses to “Call for MASS COVID 19 Testing”


  1. what I meant was old bajans shouldn’t be touching young kids up


  2. Chinese New Year was celebrated in Madrid on February 13th.

    The first cases appeared in Spain on February 15th!!

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

    Italy also began reporting cases on 15th February.

    USA also had its first cases around the same time.

    Coincidence??


  3. Can we test the Barbadians for the DLP-Sinckler-Pornville virus? It would be nice to know where the true loyalty of the public servants lies.

    Or rather, we vaccinate the entire island against the DLP. We already have this vaccine: Its abbreviation is MAM 1965-1-10.

  4. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Mariposa March 25, 2020 12:02 PM
    “… why Trump did not take the test”
    ++++++++++
    Trump is a complete moron. But that is not why he is an embarrassment to humanity, he is an embarrassment because he is evil scum as well.


  5. @Peter

    Do you understand why the blogmaster labeled you a philanthropist?

    Perhaps an approach is for likeminded citizens to collaborate with a local laboratory to assist.

    https://njbiz.com/private-public-partnership-bring-covid-19-testing-5-nj-counties/

  6. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Mariposa March 25, 2020 11:59 AM
    I understand why you are “Kind of lery to the testing”
    It is because you do not understand the science behind the testing. There is nothing wrong with not understanding something. Just put your trust in those who do understand. I know you do not trust the BLP… that’s fine. I suggest that you trust the World Health Organization, and they say to test, test, test.


  7. @Hal Austin March 25, 2020 12:02 PM “There are certain things only the government can do. Individuals can do certain things like getting off the streets, and congregating to play dominoes or drinking rum. Such behaviour is not only stupid, but primitive.”

    Even while I agree that at present people should not be passing around objects, such as dominoes, playing cards, footballs, tennis balls, golf balls netballs etc. i am wondering why domino playing is stupid and primitive. And is bridge playing also stupid and primitive?

    Why is rum drinking primitive? Did Prince Charles play dominoes or fire a rum? I am enjoying a rum on the rocks at home right now. Will that turn me into a savage?

    Is wine drinking also primitive?


  8. @ lawson March 25, 2020 12:14 PM “what I meant was old bajans shouldn’t be touching young kids up.”

    Young children still have to be bathed, dressed, fed, by their own parents and their principled caregivers.

    I am old but still helping to look after my grandchildren.

    While the parents do essential work, what are we supposed to do with young children who cannot be left at home unsupervised?


  9. I turned that drink into corn and oil. Rum, falernum, ice, and I threw a li’l lime juice in to help with the vitamin C.


  10. Peter Lawernce
    The WHO also said that young people is less susceptible
    But the numbers are rising for them
    The problem with this virus is NOT Knowning


  11. @ Robert
    Glyne went to your alma mater at about the same time. More seriously, Barbadians have a collective behavioural, deeper cultural habits that are out of place in a modern world. People are gathering at Oistin’s playing dominoes. You just could not make it up.
    But we lack political leadership. A fish rots from the head down..(Quote)


  12. Mass testing is counter to a data driven approach, 1 million test is ridiculous
    The data from S Koreas “mass testing” reveals
    For a population of 50 million
    They did approximately 270,000 tests (5% of the population)
    There were 9137 positive cases, approximately 3% of those tested
    So they tested 5% of the population and only 3% of that 5% tested positive (0.15% of the entire population)

    S korea had a cluster, we do not. We do not need 1 million tests, That is a waste of resources. The data shows there is no need to test everyone. Order 30,000 tests. Prepare for 450 cases and 40 critical to serious. Ensure we have enough ICU beds, order ventilators and stockpile N95 and N99 respirators and surgical masks


  13. “not just Googling CDC and repeating it like a parrot.”

    they are parroting everyone trying to stretch out the inevitable.

    let them wait.


  14. According to the COVID Czar 100’ 000 test kits are on order.


  15. @Mariposa March 25, 2020 12:02 PM
    “… why Trump did not take the test”
    ++++++++++
    Trump is a complete moron. But that is not why he is an embarrassment to humanity, he is an embarrassment because he is evil scum as well

    Trump is not one of my favourite people but there is a saying which says
    Pick sense out of nonsense
    Trump is surrounded by some of the best medical expert
    It isnt what he said it is what he did not do previously before being forced in taking The test
    The question is why ?

    Just observing


  16. @ Redguard

    Mass testing and social distancing are opposites. If you mass test, then there is no need for social distance, since you will know who is free of the virus. It is one or the other.


  17. The corn and oil went down proper.

    No sign of savage, primitive bahaviour yet.

    But perhaps I learnt by rote and would not recognise primitive, savage behavior if it smacked me upside de head.

  18. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
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    Redguard March 25, 2020 1:21 PM

    Mass testing is to generate the data for a data driven approach. Right now we are testing a dozen people a day… that is pathetic.

    The 1 million test figure I pulled out of a hat to illustrate that access to testing kits is not a hurdle. The government already committed to spend $150 million to help the economy stay alive… it isn’t unreasonable to spend 3% of that figure to help people stay alive.

    One of the major difference between South Korea and Italy is that South Korea did mass testing. South Korea has arrested the progress of the pandemic, but in Italy there will soon be 1,000 people dying of this disease every day.

    It would be wonderful if we imitated South Korea and tested 5% of our population to begin with; that is about 14,500 people so we should be testing over 1,000 people per day to get that job done in two weeks.

  19. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Hal Austin March 25, 2020 2:05 PM
    “Mass testing and social distancing are opposites.”
    ++++++++++++
    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    Mass testing and social distancing are complementary strategies. Without mass testing social distancing is inadequate unless you have the power of a police state. Without social distancing you can never ramp up mass testing fast enough to slow the spread of the pandemic because you are always having to re-test people who tested negative just a few weeks ago.


  20. @ PLT

    Not my view, but that of a scientist. Do you know better. His argument seems fairly sensible to me. Restaurants are open in Singapore. Why, because of mass testing.


  21. Of course you will still have to practice social distancing. Unless we plan to mark the forheads of those tested negative?

  22. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Mariposa; your blog colleague @PLT is being exceedingly diplomatic and kind towards you … a feature you do not offer to others often, if at all!

    Your remarks above were so jumbled of reason and so impossible to understand at the most basic of levels that @PLT had to imagine that you were simply “ignorant” of basic medical protocols for testing when he diplomatically said “It is because you do not understand the science behind the testing.”

    But, I cant believe you are that “ignorant’ NOT to know that any handling of patient’s test must be managed under strict protocols to ensure no cross contamination either to the test samples or to anyone handling them… so you must be being provocative and ridiculous!

    “The stories of doctors and nurses becoming infected” is food for thought ONLY as it relates to poor practices or negligence by the health professional or most likely an accidental exposure due to a ripped PPE or other unexpected exposure to the infectious agent.

    It should have NOTHING to do with the validity of the testing process.

    That you would make these type of absurd, alarmist statements always centers my mind on the fact that people like yourself who refuse to use reason and commonsense should NEVER be involved in ANY political decision making.

    And how in the name of that jumbled mind of yours would the medical report [be] released for public to verify?

    Exactly how do we verify a person’s medical diagnosis …where have you seen an actual medical chart of a political leader exposed to the public!

    Which DLP dept were you in charge off… the ‘Finding Nemo’ brigade!


  23. The virus is not indiscriminate like Ebola.
    From the data

    Of those who became critical they had the following known or unknown issues:
    Weakened immune systems (cancer, post chemotherapy, HIV)
    Chronic lung disease (COPD, emphysema)

    These are the vulnerable population (?????? Diabetes and NCDs not enough data yet)

    The percentage of any country’s population that make up this vulnerable group will differ and depends on many factors. this is why mortality differs from country to country.

    We need to know what our vulnerable population is.

    Tell them to isolate. this approach of locking down the 99.5% to protect the 0.5% is not practical.
    Use the tests on healthcare workers, known contacts and household members of the vulnerable group

  24. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Redguard March 25, 2020 2:39 PM

    This is the flaw in your proposed strategy. A very significant proportion of those infected show no symptoms at all. Furthermore, although you have identified the most vulnerable there are many fatal cases outside of that category.

    You mentioned the strategy that South Korea has used with considerable success. Why are you opposed to using that strategy here in Barbados?


  25. Was going stir crazy from self isolation, so went for a drive this morning. Gas is 62, 63 and 64 cents per litre at three different stations. Hope the prices fall in Barbados as there is a surplus in the market thanks to the Saudis.

  26. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @PLT, I must come back at you again. First up, I completely agree with the assertion that “Mass testing and social distancing are complementary strategies.” I have stressed that from this morning and it based on reviews of the data presented from all the various sources.

    I would twist the moot around and say ‘without social distancing mass testing is inadequate’ because even those who are asymptomatic can still be carriers and more folks should self quarantine from that abundance of caution!

    You continue to cite South Korea as an example of mass testing and clearly they have done that BUT that was not the only variable to their success and in fact that nation has similiar spikes and spread due principally to the LACK of social distancing initially which they then aggressively addressed.

    You certainly know that they had a major spike due to one of their religious cults….who then apologized for their indifference. Then too had a geographic cluster in one town at a nursing home.

    They NOT only tested but aggressively practiced special forms of social distancing: 1.They had widespread phone alerts on known cases and created a dynamic type of geo-tagging to assist people who might have been associated or in contact…

    Consider if the same thing was done for that Bajan who came home to Bim and in a Covid19 state (maybe unknown to himself) went all over de place like Poonka. A similiar alert system and tagging would have a) improved testing possibilities, b) likely identified more cases – or clusters as you guys prefer – more readily and c) reduced panic.

    All of that was in South Korea’s toolkit!

    To quote one source, “since South Korea confirmed its first case of the virus on 20 January, health authorities have turned to technology, testing and social distancing in an attempt to contain the outbreak.

    They have been successful because mass testing IS NOT and HAS NOT been a panacea on its own… it has been a part of a comprehensive toolkit arrayed against this virus.

    To see it as its own justification outside that comprehensive array is a fool’s gold!


  27. In responding to the Covid-19 challenge, we should keep things in perspective. First of all, as at 25 March the number of confirmed global cases of infection with the coronavirus is being reported as 416,916. This represents 0.005% of the world’s population of 7.5 billion people. Global deaths attributed to Covid-19 are currently being reported as 18,565. This represents 0.00025% of the world’s population and 4.45% of confirmed infections.

    In any event, the statistics cannot be relied upon to give an accurate picture of the spread of the virus and the threat it presents to human health. Different countries are using different approaches to testing and so it’s very likely that the number of people infected by the coronavirus is significantly under-reported. Secondly, many of the people who die and whose death is attributed to Covid-19 have pre-existing health conditions and it’s not clear that people who are infected with Covid-19 but who have died as a result of some pre-existing condition are not being counted among the deaths caused by Covid-19.

    Being infected with this particular coronavirus is not in and of itself a problem. The vasty majority of people with infections will have no symptoms or will experence mild to severe flu. Some 15% of confirmed cases have needed hospitalisation and ventilators to help them recover from the infection. It is this group, which includes anyone with a compromised immune system, irregardless of age, who the virus poses a mortal threat to. Therefore the steps taken to protect the individuals in this group need to be properly balanced so as to avoid economic and social collapse.

    The grinding to a halt of the tourism industry and the sight of Kerrie Symonds explaining how he’s had to plead with foreign airlines to keep at least some flights coming into the country so we don’t become totally cut off from the outside world is a day of reckoning for those who have for the last 60 years pushed the island down the road of being a one-legged tourism economy. This has served the interests of the local and foreign elites but now leaves the majority of Bajans facing an uncertain future. We don’t have food security and under the government’s IMF approved BERT austerity programme, there is no clear way forward for how those who are losing their jobs are going to be supported. In addition, no one knows how long this situation is going to continue.

    Maybe the issue is to focus on protecting those in the at risk group by asking them to self isolate, setting up mechanisms to have their daily needs met and sensitising their families and neighbours in how to support and protect them. We also need to start thinking about how to reboot economic activity which is not tourism focused. If as a result of this coronavirus challenge, a recognition dawns on Bajans that we can’t continue on the same old path of prioritising the needs of the local and foreign elites, then that may be the silver lining of this dark cloud.


  28. Dribbler
    Have you ever heard of medicines which were given stamp of approval and then recalled for one reason or another
    Man is not perfect

    Go figure


  29. Yep…was just reading it, now that answers the questions many have been asking.

    “Millions of 15-minute home coronavirus tests are set to be available on the high street or for Amazon delivery to people self-isolating, according to Public Health England (PHE), in a move that could restore many people’s lives to a semblance of pre-lockdown normality.

    Prof Sharon Peacock, the director of the national infection service at PHE, told MPs on the science and technology committee that mass testing in the UK would be possible within days, saying evaluation of the fingerprick tests should be completed this week. The government later took a more cautious line, saying that the tests would not be available so quickly.

    The UK government has bought 3.5m tests – which reveal whether someone has had the virus and is therefore thought to have some immunity – and is ordering millions more, it has said.

    At the prime minister’s daily press conference on Wednesday, the government’s medical and scientific advisers said they needed to be certain the tests worked before they could be made available.”


  30. Dribbler

    U spoke if strict protocol

    This is a part of an article taken from the New Yorker which brings into focus as early as Jan when the kits were being made the need for strict protocol was not necessary because of a law

    The U.W. virology lab is subject to strict regulatory oversight, but, thanks to a peculiar feature of U.S. law, it did not initially require any special clearance from the federal government to produce its covid-19 test.

    Makes for wonder how many of those kits are still being used and how many were made

    Just observing


  31. @ WURA-War-on-U March 25, 2020 7:52 AM

    “Yeah…Rihanna is the best person to organize those kits and she has a real good reach…she organizes the PROCUREMENT ONLY and NOT THE PURCHASE do not try to use her up, you will need her again in the future..”

    I am curious: is this the same Rihanna who has been blasted on the call-in program as not being fit to be an ambassador for Barbados? That caller who is known as the Trinidad woman has little or no respect for Rihanna. I have heard her being referred to as a whore among other things by Barbadians. I have a lot of respect for WURA-War-on-U but I want him to reflect on ” NOT THE PURCHASE do not try to use her up, you will need her again in the future..” It comes across as being very pecuniary to say the least. One can conclude that the objective is the use of Rihanna as a cash cow. Rihanna has done more for this country than C.O Williams and the big-wigged lawyers who fleece Barbadians


  32. Of the 18 confirmed cases we have NONE have turned serious or critical.

    No need as yet for ICU beds.


  33. @ Silly Woman March 25, 2020 12:41 PM

    “Why is rum drinking primitive? Did Prince Charles play dominoes or fire a rum? I am enjoying a rum on the rocks at home right now. Will that turn me into a savage?”‘

    You have to be a connoisseur drinking rum on the rocks. I am glad to see some one else supporting the local industry. The rum you are sampling wouldn’t be EAS Fields white or Alleyne Arthur’s white I would wager.


  34. I think our risk factor is low.

    Time will tell how many if any ICU beds are needed and if there are any deaths.

    We do have high levels of cardiovascular disease and diabetes but they are not in our case caused by smoking but by diet and lack of exercise.

    By and large our lungs should be healthy as we have to second lowest smoking rate in the world, after Panama!!

    Panam has had 8 deaths out of 443 confirmed cases.

    There are at the moment 33 serious or critical cases.

    Panama has ships from all over the world passing through, day in day out.


  35. No new cases reported today. Good news, small sample size or poor contact tracing?

    #timewilltell


  36. @ Silly Woman March 25, 2020 12:49 PM

    “I turned that drink into corn and oil. Rum, falernum, ice, and I threw a li’l lime juice in to help with the vitamin C.”

    I misspoke.You are definitely not a connoisseur. Drinking the above concoction. indicates that you are an amateur. Drinking a lot of it is sure to give one a nasty hang-over.


  37. “One can conclude that the objective is the use of Rihanna as a cash cow. ”

    that is the reason she should not be used in that manner, both governments allowed all the crooks on the island to rob the treasury, pension fund and everything else, so why should she be used when she has already given to the island and never asked for anything in return….including NEVER ROBBING THE PEOPLE or ISLAND as those we mentioned and the trash in the parliament colluded to do for decades.

    She can fulfill her ambassador role by reaching out for certain things to benefit the island and the PEOPLE …you don’t want her being used to benefit the few.


  38. @ John

    By the weekend most people expect London to be in total lockdown; the length of stay on an ICU ventilator is 3 weeks; some expert s now estimate the government estimate of 250000 deaths is optimistic. Anyone over age 75 will not be saved.
    This virus is frightening. We are taking it lightly in Barbados. Either we know something or the Europeans are mental. I know which I believe.

  39. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
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    @Hal
    A glimmer of hope from a UK based friend. The UK was keeping 14-15 days behind Italy in terms of death toll until yesterday when it went to about 15 and a bit days, and today is 465 which is almost exactly 16 days behind Italy. Perhaps the death rate in the UK is thus decelerating slightly… or maybe it’s just a wobble in the trajectory.


  40. @ PLT

    I hope there is more than a glimmer of hope. But official planning is as outlined above. London, and then the rest of the UK, is going in to total lockdown, with military on the streets and hospitals ignoring anyone aged over 75 struck down with the virus. Officially the UK is planning for 250000 deaths (that from Imperial College modelling), but unofficially they expect a lot more. Already you are being stopped on the streets by police and asked to state where you are going. If not important, you are sent back.
    Some London hospitals (Northwick Park in Harrow, and Lewisham in South East London, are battling to cope. We still do not know how the virus is transmitted. We are still in the realm of speculation.

  41. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    I am hoping that the apparent slight slowdown in the growth of the death toll, coupled with the widespread testing technology written about in Today’s Guardian, in addition to going into a total lockdown, will give the UK a chance of avoiding the fates of Italy and Spain.


  42. With doctors playing God, deciding who will live and who will die, blacks come bottom of the list. When people talk of the wonderful NHS, it is not the general experience of black people.
    Read below

    London Black woman, 36, dies of suspected Covid-19 after being told she is ‘not priority’

    Kayla Williams, from Peckham, south London, died a day after calling 999

    (by Sandra Laville – Wed 25 Mar 2020 14.44 GMT Last modified on Wed 25 Mar 2020 14.49 GMT)

    A 36-year-old woman died at her flat in south London of suspected Covid-19 a day after calling 999 and being told to look after herself at home.

    Kayla Williams, a mother of three, died on Saturday 21 March, a day after paramedics were called to her home in Peckham.

    Her husband, Fabian Williams, a refuse collector, said his wife was suffering from a cough, high fever and had severe chest and stomach pains when he called 999 on Friday.

    Documents seen by the Guardian confirm paramedics were treating her as a suspected Covid-19 case.

    Williams said: “I called 999 because my wife was breathless, she was vomiting and she had pains in her stomach.

    As I was talking to them she was getting worse and they told me to put her on the floor and to make her body flat.”

    When the paramedic arrived at 8.32am she carried out some tests, Williams said.

    “She told me the hospital won’t take her, she is not a priority.

    She did not stay very long and she went outside to write her report and posted it through the door.”

    Williams said his wife’s condition deteriorated the next day.

    He ran her a bath in the morning and helped her to get dressed, before feeding her some soup.

    After taking a short rest himself, he went into the front room where she had been resting to find his wife slumped head down.

    “She was already dead,” he said.

    “I put her on the ground – because that is what they had told me to do before – and I rang 999 again and they told me to put my hand on her chest and pump her chest.”

    Three cars and an ambulance arrived at his home a short time later, he said.

    The crews tried to revive his wife, but were not successful.

    Williams, 49, said the police later visited his home, but would not enter his flat.

    “They stood on the doorstep and would not come in when I asked them to,” he said.

    They were followed an hour later by a funeral director.

    “They put on full forensic suits outside, with full masks, visors and gloves.

    They covered their feet as well.

    This is when I thought; ‘What’s going on?

    This is not right,’” he said.

    Williams said the undertaker wrapped sheeting around his wife’s face, before wrapping her body tightly and placing her in a body bag – all procedures required in an infectious disease death.

    “I have heard nothing since,” he said. “They have left me here and said I must isolate.

    They haven’t told me anything else.

    I am a diabetic.

    I take insulin. All I know is I am supposed to isolate.

    No one has mentioned her body being tested or anything.”

    Documents seen by the Guardian completed by the London Ambulance Service after their first visit show Kayla Williams was suffering from “?Cov 19”.

    Symptoms were listed as: “non productive cough … headache … chest pains all over”.

    The advice given was “self-care, use anti-pyretics, increase food/fluid.”

    Fabian Williams was advised to use “999 for emergency, use 111 online for advice. Family also advised to isolate”.

    A spokesperson for the London Ambulance Service said:

    “We were called at 8.32am on Friday 20 March to reports of a person unwell at an address in Peckham.

    Our clinicians treated a patient and advised them to call back if their condition changed.

    “We were called the following day at 3.24pm and sent a number of resources with our first medics arriving in under seven minutes.

    Sadly, the patient had died.

    Our sympathy is with the family at this time.

    “We are working incredibly hard in these unprecedented times to look after Londoners.”


  43. @PLT

    Ignore the Guardian. The experts are Public Health England and they you Prof Neil Ferguson’s mathematical epidemiological modelling. Take it from me, journalists are not experts on anything, especially Guardian journalists.
    We already have a cut and paste Guardian enthusiast on BU. By the way, do you know why journalists call the Guardian the Gruaniad? It is because they they cannot even get their own name right.


  44. use….


  45. Most likely all those kits that didnt get the required necessary oversight during the manufacturing process were probably sent to small island nations
    I Remember around late jan early Feb govt stating that the kits would reached barbados around the 15th feb
    Hi mr. Know it all Dribbler what says ye about all the necessary requirements to do with the making of the test
    Btw i left a comment for you to confirm that there was a time early in the crisis when necessary requirements were abandoned
    Bro this is a time of health crisis where action is necessary to saves lives and mistakes can be made
    Oh most of the time i dont understand some of the long winded comments u post so i gladly dribble by


  46. Most likely all those kits that didnt get the required necessary oversight during the manufacturing process were probably sent to small island nations
    I Remember around late jan early Feb govt stating that the kits would reached barbados around the 15th feb
    Hi mr. Know it all Dribbler what says ye about all the necessary requirements to do with the making of the test
    Btw i left a comment for you to confirm that there was a time early in the crisis when necessary requirements were abandoned
    Bro this is a time of health crisis where action is necessary to saves lives and mistakes can be made
    Oh most of the time i dont understand some of the long winded comments u post so i gladly dribble by


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