Readers will recall that a raging topic in the public domain before and during the campaign for the May 2018 general election was the legal entitlement of the then Honourable Leader of the Opposition, now the Honourable Prime Minister, Ms Mia Mottley, to practise law in Barbados, since she did not possess the Legal Education Certificate (sic) awarded by the regional Council of Legal Education. It took the explanatory intervention of her father, Mr Elliott D Mottley [as he then was] and, I suppose, the result of the election itself, to quell further discussion of this matter. I recall that I wrote then that the decision to admit Ms Mottley to the local Bar was a decision of the High Court of Barbados and could be overturned only if there were a timeous appeal of the matter on a point of law.
Indeed, a recent decision of the Judicial Committee of Her Majesty’s Privy Council [JCPC], on appeal from the Eastern Caribbean Court of Appeal[Grenada], confirms that admission to the Bar is not merely a ceremonial occasion but, rather, in substance a legal decision that may result in a decision that is adverse to the applicant. This decision is Layne v Attorney General of Grenada, delivered by the Board on March 18, 2019.
Despite serving a sentence of imprisonment for murder, Mr Joseph Ewart Layne dreamt of becoming a lawyer. His first step was to secure an LL.B, which he duly completed with honours by correspondence from London University, Clearly bitten by the studying bug, he next proceeded to read for his Master’s in Laws from the same university. At some time, he also secured a Bachelor of Science (Accounting) from Oxford Brookes University in the UK with First Class Honours. Having served 26 years of the 40-year term imposed on him, Mr Layne then enrolled at the Hugh Wooding Law School in Trinidad & Tobago to pursue his professional training, leading to the Legal Education Certificate, now a sine qua non of admission to most of the regional Bars. It is worthy of note that being an LL.B graduate of a university other than the University of the West Indies, Mr Layne would first have had to pass an entrance examination comprising a number of subjects in order to be admitted to Hugh Wooding. He was duly awarded the Certificate of Legal Education in September 2013.
Thereafter, Mr Layne applied to be admitted to the Grenada Bar. The central issue was whether Mr Layne possessed the good character required by section 17 (1) of the Legal Profession Act 2011 of Grenada. This provides, where relevant-
17(1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, a person who makes an application to the Supreme Court, and satisfies the Supreme Court that he-
(a) Is of good character; and either
(i) holds the qualifications prescribed by law;………………………………………………………………………shall be eligible to be admitted by the Court to practise as an attorney-at-law in Grenada.
So far as the judge before whom the application was made, Price Findlay J., was concerned, good character was “The aggregate of moral qualities which belong to and distinguish an individual person, the general result of one’s distinguishing attributes. That moral pre-disposition or habit, or aggregate of ethical qualities which is believed to attach to a person on the strength of common opinion and report concerning him.”
With regard to lawyers, the “guardians of our fundamental freedoms”, they had to command the personal confidence of not only lay and professional clients but [that of] other members of the Bar and of judges”; and while there was no rule automatically barring someone who had been convicted of an offence from practising the law,” an applicant with the background of the appellant had to make an extraordinary showing of rehabilitation…” In her view, the test was whether there was “a potential risk to the public, or, more importantly, whether there will be damage to the reputation of the profession” The court, she stated, was “concerned with the maintenance of public confidence in the members of the profession.”
After re-emphasizing that while rehabilitation was important, it may not be possible to make a “show of rehabilitation in the face of past serious misconduct”, the judge had regard to Mr Layne’s youth at the time of the murders (he was only 25 years of age) but held that his leadership responsibilities demonstrated his maturity at that age.
Ultimately, she concluded that although the applicant was a man who had accomplished much, nevertheless, having reviewed the evidence and taking into account all the relevant considerations, and the authorities in other jurisdictions, she was constrained to refuse this application for admission.”
Mr Layne’s appeal to the Eastern Caribbean Court of appeal was given short shrift, the judges there applying the principle that an appellate court should be reluctant to interfere with the judge’s exercise of discretion (sic), and therefore limiting its decision to the question whether the exercise by the judge of her discretion was susceptible to review in an appellate court. The Court of Appeal concluded that there was no basis on which it could properly set aside the judge’s exercise of discretion in this case, and dismissed the appeal.
On further appeal to the Judicial Committee, their Lordships dismissed the appeal by a four to one majority. For those interested in reading the details of the Board’s respective reasoning, the judgment may be found at http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKPC/2019/11.html
For the younger readers, the murder to whose commission Mr Layne was found to be a party was no ordinary murder in the history of Grenada. It was the summary execution of the then leader of the country, Mr Maurice Bishop, and nine others in the aftermath of the schism in the New Jewel Movement that had seized power in Grenada in 1979. Indeed, if memory serves me correctly, Mr Layne, then deputy Minister of Defence was alleged to have played a significant role in the deaths.
The question begs asking, given that the events happened nearly forty years ago, that the killings were of a political nature under the belief that they were necessary for the preservation of the state, and Mr Layne’s subsequent impeccable behaviour and academic achievement, is this a man who is liable to be deservedly denied the respect of the populace, the judiciary, and his fellow members of the Bar? Or is the dismissal of his application merely a reflection of the horror still felt by Grenadians at the entire sorry episode so may years ago?
While I view the judgment of Price Findlay J to be unimpeachable, (she must have been well trained!), I incline more to the reasoning of Lord Kerr, the lone dissentient in the JCPC, who argued cogently that “Reprehensible conduct in the past by a candidate for admission may provide an indicator as to her or his present character but it must not be allowed to operate as an automatic bar. In other words, simply because an individual has behaved badly in the past does not constitute an inevitable block on their admission to practice. Previous past conduct is material only to the extent that it bears on the evaluation of character made at the time of consideration of the application. And, however bad or shameful the past behaviour, the decision-maker must not approach his or her assessment on the basis that its effect can never be outweighed by the subsequent redemptive conduct of the applicant. Egregious behaviour in the past may present an applicant with a formidable hurdle; it should never be regarded as an automatically insuperable one”.
I am almost certain that some wag will contend that most lawyers are crooked or eventually become so anyway and, at least, Mr Layne’s misconduct is behind him.
@Sir Simple, it ain’t no body like you bajan black women now that you can go to the store and buy your own car and house. Here of late, you and your ilk have taken issue with us looking for a little pokey. Only not long ago when you had a bunch of children and was looking for some fools to take care of you and them, pokey was all you had to offer. I see many men bout here who don’t even have a pot to piss in, because they wasted their youth on you lot. Now you have the balls to talk shit. But it serves the men right, there is never a time that I’m not in the sun working on my property when the broiling sun says to me, thank god you don’t have to be now at the mercy of a bajan woman. These men spent all their lives in the hot sun and never listened to that voice. Damn fools dropped their women off at UWI, never thought to take a look inside now you simple simon and a pack of ungrateful rats making them smell hell.
Donna
April 2, 2019 9:57 AM
By contrast, the phrase “far-right” is used to describe those who favor an absolutist government, which uses the power of the state to support the dominant ethnic group or religion and often to criminalize other ethnic groups or religions.[38][39][40][41][42]
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Quite the opposite.
The further left you go the bigger the government you want … communism, fascism socialism.
The further right means you want less and less interference from government.
Trump seeks to shrink the Government and its regulations.
That’s what makes him right … correct too!!
The Democrats want to impose Government controlled healthcare for example and that’s what makes them leftist.
@ Whitehall
You is a next one who want banning!
Imagine! You here saying and I quote
“…Can you not imagined Mr. Cumberbatch along with some of his students operating a legal clinic, even going to the CCJ to right some of the injustice?…”
Now there is true anarchy!
The Luminary has pronounced here his academic interests
Surely what you are suggesting is a radical stance, one which I humbly suggest borders on sedition and beg that you be banned forthwith
Imagine that, UWI STUDENTS INVOLVED IN REAL NATION BUILDING!
That would bring such shame on the reputation of lawyers and possibly cause them to acquire morals
Thou art to be banned forthwith
One need only look at the Reformation to understand the difference between left and right.
The Roman Catholic Church controlled everything,
This is the extreme example of big government.
But once the Bible became available to more and more people, the fallacies of the RC Church became apparent.
Numerous dissenters and non conformists arose according to the individual understanding they received from the word.
The Puritans are an example.
The Quakers arise well after them.
The right favours individual freedom.
The left prefers absolute control by big government.
No Johnny ma Boy,
The far right is far more complicated than that. They are for individual rights and freedoms as long as they suit their agenda. Otherwise, not so much.
Steupse!
” Don’t watch what they say! Watch what they do!”
UWI lecturer says time to go after crime bosses
If the Royal Barbados Police Force wants to arrest crime it needs to “cut off the head of the snake”, a University of the West Indies academic has suggested.
But Dr Dwayne Devonish, a senior lecturer at the University of the West Indies at Cave Hill has suggested that these supposed crime lords that possibly included crooked police, lawyers and business owners run a underground criminal network.
He said it’s time police stop running behind small criminals and turn their interest toward those at the top.
He said if left untouched, those crime bosses would continue to influence young people to get involved in crime, as the gun and drug trades were proving to be very lucrative.
“In terms of the attractiveness of crime, I must say that if you look at the amount of money and investment in criminal activity, especially when you look at the gun trade and the drug trade, even for someone who is underemployed… that amount of money, that particular opportunity is going to snatch that young person away,” Devonish said.
The UWI lecturer appeared in a panel discussion on solutions to youth crime and violence in Barbados at the 3W’s Oval at Cave Hill last Friday.
He maintained that there was an organised underground criminal world in Barbados that needed to be infiltrated.
Devonish told the audience: “The only way we can deal with this crime situation is to not only attack from the bottom, but we have to look at the top.
“I’m not fearful to say this but we have to look at from businessmen, police officers, lawyers; this thing is a money-making enterprise, it is not conspiracy, it is a deep underground business environment that we have.”
“We can talk a lot about youth programming in communities and trying to get the youth to develop skills and so on, but until we address the head of the snake we will continue to have that problem where crime remains a lucrative and attractive opportunity for young people,” he said.
Devonish added that with guns being sold for $10 000 and rented for up to $700, it was evident that there were significant returns from crime.
Devonish praised Government for its efforts to pass legislation to confiscate the properties and monies from convicted criminals.
https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/04/02/uwi-lecturer-says-time-to-go-after-crime-bosses/
Is your name whitehill or shitehill?
You need to deal with your issues!
You may spew now.
Who cares about muddled technical terms? Far right, far left, fascism, communism, whateverism all lead to schisms.
Yup.
Only idiots harp on about these differences in nomenclature. In reality there are no discernible differences.
Ultimately, money controls everything in this world and all governments are beholden to the monied interests.
I find this mainly comes from the hypocritical white American bible belt types.
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 1 John 4:20 (ELT)
And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Matthew 25:40 (ELT)
On a different note,
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/239146/bail-restrictions-murder-firearm-offences-coming
Shall a snake cut off its own head?
In the addition to murder and serious firearm changes, the bail application change will be for people charged with treason and high treason
Treason?
@ Mr Cumberbatch
Out of curiosity, do you know when someone was last charged for treason in Bdos?
All the Bible says is what men will become. That does not deny that there are influences to which they succumb. I see no contradiction in saying that men will become something under certain influences. There is such a thing as influence. Good and bad. Some people succumb to bad influences (WHO shall remain nameless so you will not find bogus reasons to disagree).
We know this to be true.
And some surrender to good influences.
The heart of man may be evil…. but some of them surrender their heart to God. And what happens then, GP?
Do they not become God’s conduits?
Again just shedding the disposable snake skin. Appearing to do something while doing nothing.
Buzyness without getting down to business.
There may be a temporary lull to fool us that something has been accomplished. The crime bosses are not foolish.
Dullard,
So you picked up on the treason bit as well? What is the reason for this, I wonder.
@Donna, it matters not if white or shite…been called both. Take your pick, see if I care. It is ok for you nappy head fools to say all manner of evil about the bajan black man, now here is a bajan black man who don’t give a fuck. I know what I know.
@ Dullard,
The prime minister has already said criticism of the government threatens national security. So to say BERT will fail because it is ill thought out can be considered treason, in this form of corrupt logic. The prime minster is a seasoned politician and hardened lawyer, she knows what she is talking about. She has a plan.
Out of curiosity, do you know when someone was last charged for treason in Bdos?
@ Dullard, Would that not have been Sidney Burnett-Alleyne? I know from defamation law that Neville Maxwell had accused Sir Henry and Sir Bernard of treason for representing Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in the Codrington College matter. That eventually led to his bankruptcy but in the case it was held by Douglas CJ that no one would have reasonably understood him to be referring to the capital offence!
All the Bible says is what men will become.
AND MEN HAVE BECOME ALL THAT THE BIBLE PREDICTED THAT THEY WOULD BECOME
LOOK AT THE LIST BELOW
DONT BLAME INFLUENCES
EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN CHARACTER AND BEHAVIOUR AND DEEDS AND SINS
YOU CANT TELL GOD AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT THAT DONALD MADE ME DO IT
2 Timothy 3:1-5 TEACHES CLEARLY
1 But know this, that in the last days [a]perilous times will come:
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 unloving, [b]unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
All the Bible says is what men will become AND THEY HAVE BECOME ACCORDING .TO ALL THAT THE BIBLE PREDICTED
@Jeff
Cheers!
So in the entire post-independence history of Barbados one person has been charged with treason, right?
Jeff Cumberbatch
April 2, 2019 1:58 PM
Out of curiosity, do you know when someone was last charged for treason in Bdos?
@ Dullard, Would that not have been Sidney Burnett-Alleyne? I know from defamation law that Neville Maxwell had accused Sir Henry and Sir Bernard of treason for representing Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in the Codrington College matter. That eventually led to his bankruptcy but in the case it was held by Douglas CJ that no one would have reasonably understood him to be referring to the capital offence!
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Who was the guy who got terminated in New York?
Seem to remember it was a former speaker of the house … Maxwell was his surname.
He pulled some stunt dropping leaflets from a plane I believe.
Probably this Neville Maxwell.
I seem to recall the visionary talking of folks being accused of treason and if my failing memory serves me correctly someone scoffed at the idea…..
Add this to the 30-0 and we have to be impressed by the power of the foil.
“Devonish added that with guns being sold for $10 000 and rented for up to $700, it was evident that there were significant returns from crime.”
$10G…. Tempting….
I found that price to be fantastic. Could it be the popo are keeping guns off the island???
Dullard
April 2, 2019 3:18 PM
@Jeff
Cheers!
So in the entire post-independence history of Barbados one person has been charged with treason, right?
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We seem to agree Barbados has been destroyed in the post independence era.
Who committed whatever treasonous acts that were necessary to ensure its downfall?
@Whistleblower, I’m sure you’ve noticed that no one here is running with what this lecturer Devonish or what you’re presenting. Everyone wants to talk a pile of bullshit except what’s coming from the elephants in the room.
Donna
April 2, 2019 11:55 AM
No Johnny ma Boy,
The far right is far more complicated than that. They are for individual rights and freedoms as long as they suit their agenda
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It really is extremely simple.
WASPs founded America and Barbados.
Simple fact.
Both countries arise as a consequence of the religious persecution those early WASPs suffered.
White and Christian are the bugbears of the left!!
Their anger and invective always distills to these two factors.
They are like Dracula … they just can’t stand the Light!!
Ecco the Target of the Treason Talk
Indeed behold the very man who is now the target of this new law.
Sk leg me tell wunna what dem have done
Dey have gone to Go Fund Me and said all sorts oc spurious stuff about the Seditious Nature of the Fund
So Go Fund Me stopped the payments
Den dem reached out to the Department of Justicd to say de ole man is disrupting de stability of de cuntry.
Whu I is even a gun runner now
And dat I may be responsible for some of de killings too?
Wunna people living in kiddie goat heaven with Mugabe and her despots
This is why all of them coming here and talking nice and thing becausing de ole man ent to know de plans.
BUT WHEN WUNNA SCVUNT DID *** AND *** de ole man understood clearly what was being done.
So here be de deal.
You are a five year government Mugabe.
The day that i do not reset the date on my Outlooks “Do not deliver before check box..”. the excel file with your apportionment of the $236 million to Jose and Jose will be published
There are 2 machines THERE WERE ALWAYS TWO MACHINES AND YOU ONLY SEE ONE DONT YOU?
LET US SEE HOW WUNNA FVCKERS GOING DEAL WITH THAT SHY$E THEN.
ALL A MAN WANTED WAS WHAT WAS MINE, BUT IT SHALL NEITHER BE MINE NOR THINE EITHER.
TREASON DAT PRIMEWICKER!!!
You are not only a
You ARE ONLY A FIVE YEAR GOVERNMENT!!!
Piece said Mia Mugabe Muttley was drawing up a bill to charge Bajans with treason and sedition. Treason against whom, the Queen of England? Sedition against whom, incompetent government or the Queen? No gathering in 2020.
By the way, the Prime Minister of Barbados is going to be in Montreal on April 7th for a Town Hall Meeting at Buffet Il Gabbianno, 1550 rue Laperriere, Ville laSalle. She doan need nuh more food. She sure travellling a lot.
PIECE
RE re Ecco the Target of the Treason Talk
Indeed behold the very man who is now the target of this new law.
Sk leg me tell wunna what dem have done
Dey have gone to Go Fund Me and said all sorts oc spurious stuff about the Seditious Nature of the Fund
So Go Fund Me stopped the payments
Den dem reached out to the Department of Justicd to say de ole man is disrupting de stability of de cuntry.
Whu I is even a gun runner now
THEY DO THAT TO YOU PIECE AND YOU HAVE AN excel file with AN apportionment of the $236 million to Jose and Jose AND YOU TALKING BOUT PUBLISHING IT
IS WHAT YOU WAITING FOR SIR?
TIT FOR TAT
SO THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT TO BE OPPOSED?
YOU ARE TO LICK THEIR TAIL AND SUFFER AT THEIR HANDS AND BOW AT THEIR FEET?
it might better to be paranoid and safe than be out there stupid..
Dude, I hope you have enough sense not top go into an embassy. Khasoggi knew he was dealing with wicked men, but he had no real idea of how wicked they were. Was listening to a story that said many suffered the same fate as Khasoggi. He made the news.
I remember when SVeronica was blogging. I was hoping that she had enough sense not to go back to Barbados. I do not know if she can go now.
Ooops that was a post for another site, much like Watchman hit the send button on Facebook and his post came onto Barbados Underground, that post about the US$236 for EDUTECH was for a book site where I am writing a fictional novel about a next lead character called Mugabe
While on the topic of books WARU found an excellent one which I was intrigued about.
It features us black bajans and I wondered why an attempt to use it and post pertinent material about our struggles was not being used instead oc that crap by the Doctor with the watered down black stories
Thd book is called “…Chattel House Blues: Making a Democracy in Barbados: From Clement Payne to Owen Arthur
$22.95by Hilary Beckles
Chattel House Blues: Making a Democracy in Barbados:
From Clement Payne to Owen Arthur is a book by Hilary Beckles (Hilary McD Beckles, 248pgs) released 2003-10…”
There are no copies available in ghd Amazon store and Sir Hilary seems to be printing them jn Switzerland which, if that is true, seems at variance with home drums beat strongest…
Gentle folk, I am the Khalil Gibran of Barbados
I shall never go back there again.
Two governments have vowed to kill de ole man for what is mine.
I cannot & WILL NOT go back there else I die (though, like all flesh, I too am appointed to die ONCE, AND THEN THE JUDGEMENT)
Dr. GP my friend…there is a thing about evidence that Hollywood glamourizes
People use it to get favours and $$.
In my case I ent ask a feller for a ting, in fact, what I is saying is I have this thing copied and hash marked so keep you distance.
Dem got dem ssh specialists and ting but dem cant see machine number 2 so dat has had dem bothered for months.
But all the recent Third Party Movement talk has them disturbed
Especially a recent action that is going to discredit their pretended authorship of things.
Heheheh and dat got dem in a nettle cause dem telling people it is dem idea but de ole man showing otherwise
And dat got dem vex.
It is like this Dr. Dr. GP
You is a surgeon and you come to me with the best technique for brain transference.
I want to teif you idea so what I gine do.
I gine try to discredit you, and den I gine gry to bankrupt you, den I gine try to lock you up, and den fire bomb you, but since you left de jurisdiction the best way for me to get you back is to extradite you on charges of treason.
You understand me?
So dem changing dem strategy for de courses so that The Third Party Movement must die.
IT IS TOO POPULAR AND POWERFUL
“Devonish added that with guns being sold for $10 000 and rented for up to $700, it was evident that there were significant returns from crime.”
$10G…. Tempting….
I found that price to be fantastic. Could it be the popo are keeping guns off the island???
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For those of you still living in the DARK, the popo are also involved in the lucrative trade of selling guns locally among other criminal activity.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE BIBLE ILLITERATE GEORGIE PORGIE WOULD NOT SPEW FALSE TEACHING ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD IN PUBLIC
Piece, please check the GoFundMe again. By the way, Gibran did go back to Lebanon. He was buried there under his beloved cedars, after he died of TB in Boston/Cambridgte. I used to give The Prophet as Christmas and birthday gifts for years.
@whiteHill April 2, 2019 11:29 AM
Oh dear! What I do to deserve that stinking cursing.
I’ve always worked for myself, from my youth to my old age.
@SirSimple, is that all? Been looking for you all day.
1 John 4:20
“If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.”
Whitehill, you are hilarious. You like to taunt. Now that you eating white meat, you arrived and now the black ladies are natty headed and man abusers/users. So the tables turn pun all yuh. Women are now educated and independent, with dildos and other women out there to rub up with, men no longer feel entitled, neither black nor white. Boy o’boy.
@ Dame Bajans
I did.
I will clean up the “notices” and post them here tomorrow to show you how it was done.
Actually it was quite smart really but the thing about being smart and spiteful what ig does is that ig gives people evidence of your vindictiveness
And after a while ALL THE EVIDENCE BEING SHOWN TO READERS, becomes something that they cannot disprove
I am going to send a picture here as well just to let people see the nature of the beast
But all of this persecution and spiteful ness is par for the course.
I was thinking that it was going to happen Friday last week but it was paused because I was advised to ***
That confused them, they dont understand why ***, but they will.
What I want you to do is when *** happens I want you to confirm ig here for the readers.
I dont know you from Sam Poochie so when you say that I told the truth then others will start to fear the words I am saying
Dame Bajan, LOL
Love my nappy head. Wear it natural! Did your mother have a nappy head? Seems like something or someone has messed you up, Whiteshitehill.
Something or someone has indeed messed me up, but unlike you, I’m aware of Willie lynch’s experiment that is today setting you fools against your sons and brothers. Which other race of women harbors so much hatred for their sons and brothers except those with nappy heads. Wear it with pride.
Poor Johnnie! You really are locked in your schisms jail!
GP, I never said they can use Trump or anybody else as an excuse. I said they succumb to bad influences. THEY succumb. That does not mean that bad influences do not exist and have an effect. People can and have used their powers of persuasion for good as well as evil. Happens every day. We know this. Your tactic of arguing a point I never made is getting tired now.
What Devonish has said has been said here many times. My comment was, “Shall a snake cut off its own head?”
No need to elaborate.
Still waiting on Jeff to define treason for me.
@ Donna
Me fears that you have long to wait if you expect The Luminary Jeff Cumberbatch to touch that topic of Treason
This is toxic and Mr Cumberbatch is a wise tactician
He avoids entrapment through these things hypothetical and fantastical or is that fantasical?
Watch you will be unafraid of the Seat Perilous and step forward to the Grail!
@Jeff
An article about the trifling with the Bail Act?
Men and women have been having problems with each other for years!!
Here is a Quaker will from way way back!!
JENNINGS, John Gent.
St Philips Parish, 11 July 1670, RB6/8, p. 401
Wf Millisaint Jennings, a most unfortunate match, a more cruel, masculine, treacherous wf none can know save God alone; friend Henry Walrond Jr Esq & Deborah Walrond his wf; Henry Walrond – Overseer; friends Margaret Ashley now living on the Harmitage & Sarah Lovell my God dau; wf – Xtrx. signed John Jennings
Wit: John Paige Esq, Roger Lovell, Mary Paige
Proved 11 June 1672
An article about the trifling with the Bail Act?
On Sunday next, David…
Still waiting on Jeff to define treason for me.
Everyone commits treason who, in Barbados,
uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the Government of Barbados;
without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Barbados, military or scientific information, or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know can be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Barbados;
instigates any person who is not a citizen of Barbados to make an armed invasion into Barbados;
conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.
There is also High Treason-
Everyone commits high treason who, in Barbados,
kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, the Governor-General or any person performing the functions of Governor-General under the Constitution;
does any bodily harm to any person referred to in paragraph (a) tending to death or destruction;
levies war against Barbados or does any act preparatory thereto; or
assists an enemy at war with Barbados, or any armed forces against whom Her Majesty’s Forces raised in Barbados are engaged in hostilities whether or not a state of war exists between Barbados and the country whose forces they are.
Jeff,
Do paragraphs a and b correspond with the order of the paragraphs you have posted?
Whitehill,
Both sexes have work to do. Both sexes are to blame for the state we are in. When black women, according to you, were not able to afford to buy their own house and car, black men were busting their asses. My great aunt was beaten to death by her beloved husband. She loved him and made excuses for him until death. His well-connected uncle pulled strings and despite my quite adamant mother bearing witness albeit as a child, he never spent a day in jail. My aunt’s parents owned quite a few lots of land. Her brother seized almost ALL upon their death. Her sister, my grandmother left her husband, my grandfather before he was able to add to the physical damage her brother-in-law had done to her when she tried to intervene in her sister’s beating. She found menial work and supported her two daughters with minimal help from her estranged husband.
How many innocent men can you count in the above narrative?
Stop wallowing in it and get some help! Then proceed to enjoy life without bitterness.
@ the LUMINARY Jeff Cumberbatch
De ole man should ask you to further expand on the following
1.the rather archaic though not explicit “…that he knows or ought to know can be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety…”
Enter 2019 and the age of technology and electronic data
The enter WARU and your humble servant Piece of the Rock Yeah Right or as the most recent addition to the Mugabe Defence Force fondly calls me “Piece of Shite”
Let me ask you about “war” and the interpretation of “a purpose prejudicial to the safety of the state…”
Is it not reasonable given this law AND THE FORTHCOMING AMENDMENTS TO SAID HIGH TREASON LAWS, that parties such as WARU & MYSELF can be deemed to be used by a state, or organs of that state, e.g the IDB, the World Bank the European Delegation, in a manner that is “prejudicial” to the well being of Barbados?
What say you LUMINARY?
…that parties such as WARU & MYSELF, in promoting these electronic utterances, can be deemed to commiting high treason if, said transmissions are used or partially relied on, by a state, or organs of that state…
The above item should have read as appended Luminary
@ the LUMINARY Jeff Cumberbatch
Then there is this element of your remark
“…without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Barbados, military or scientific information, or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character…”
Recently, within the last 10 years of incompetency, and within this current administration, one has been hearing the use of “national security” and state secrets and “destabilization” quite regularly.
Could one assume, given of course the latitude of these various overzealous judges that, while it is not explicitly clear in the archaic laws of Barbados that a leap can now be made between “actions which in Mugabe’s opinion are destabilising the country “, national security matters and by extension, militaristic relations?
I am not sure if you recall this matter during the tenure known as “The Gelding of the Sheeple ” aka Ten Years of Fumbling.
This may jog your memory
http://imgur.com/gallery/30Vj1
When Verla Depeiza jumped up in Parliament and cried High Treason!
Do you remember when the letter of the then Prime Minister Fumbles was read in the HoA?
I guess I am seeking your opinion about how this law about High Treason works in a quasi banana Republic where a man gets a year for a $6.99 clippers by a justice and Ministers can call reading a letter treason.
Is anyone safe in such a system Luminary?
re How many innocent men can you count in the above narrative?
THE SAME NUMBER OF INNOCENT WOMEN
My great aunt loved her husband and made excuses for him until the day he killed her. She was innocent on that count, GP. My grandmother seeing his brutality and foreseeing its end was only trying to save her stupid sister’s life. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That is not the point. You are taking it out of context. My point to whitehill was made in relation to his comment about women taking advantage of men since they have become financially independent. I was reminding him of what was the norm before women were able to buy their own house and car as he said. He believes that women are to be blamed since they have now turned against their menfolk. My question to him is – how long have the men been in our corner???????? We, now having been enlightened, should be trying to heal and move forward with a new understanding.
My aunt and my grandmother did not deserve what happened to them at the hands of that monster of a man.
What about your dear mother and your darling wife? Are they innocent? How would you react if I so judged them without knowing them?
Oh sorry! We all know the answer to that!
q What about your dear mother and your darling wife? Are they innocent?
a THEY ARE BOTH INNOCENT OF taking advantage of men since they have become financially independent.
My great aunt took advantage of no-one. My grandmother took advantage of no-one. They were BOTH AS INNOCENT AS YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR WIFE.
But you are making my blood boil so I am finished with that. This was not the topic at hand but a diversion. Just trying to help out whitehill and his bitter disposition.
re But you are making my blood boil
YOU MUST NOT LET YOUR BLOOD BOIL YOU WILL DENATURE THE PROTEINS IN IT AND THE HAEMOGLOBIN WONT BE ABLE TO CARRY OXGEN
@Donna, thanks for helping me out. Now i know what’s wrong with me, I wouldn’t let it get the better of me as I watch the black race continue to be so divided along gender lines. Now I know why it boils my blood as well as we continue to be like so many Rass hole crabs in a barrel, kick the fucking ladder down as each individual believe they have arrived. I’m also saddened by your aunt’s demise like her unfortunate situation has any bearing on anything. I saw, experienced and witnessed shit. Whenever I come to BU, I come to speak to issues affecting us as a people. I’m never personal or RH emotional. Look here Miss, please, I don’t need to get into some fucking pissing match with you. Too much shit is going on between us, male/female that if addressed now would make us a people a power house. Goodnight! Regards to SirSimple if you see her.
@Donna…Bitter disposition my ass! Was Malcolm X bitter and angry too? I’m i to believe all those who had the balls to speak to the black people as apposed to blaming whites angry and fucking bitter? #kissmyass
What a load! Why do you men think that you alone are entitled to tell your stories but when we women illustrate our points we are told not to personalize things and make them about us? I could write a book about your life the amount of personal details you give on this site. Which white woman you had over, for how long, what you did with her and her best friend etc etc etc. Very distasteful!
My point was that historically and still today, women have suffered at the hands of men. Literally. Men are not totally innocent creatures being taken advantage of by wicked women.. So that berating women who have taken advantage of their financial independence to unfair men without telling the other side of the horror story will get us nowhere.
If you wish to heal a disease you must first correctly diagnose the problem.
And no I would not be caught dead kissing your ass or anywhere else on your person. You definitely don’t come from Sweet Bottom. Yuh too bitter! And not like mauby!