Minister Abrahams Evidence Please about the Swamp!

The Editor

Barbados Underground

Barbados,W.I

Dear Sir/Madam,

According to an article in Barbados Today of 2nd.February 2019, Minister of Energy and Water Resources Wilfred Abrahams had the following to say: “We have come in eight months….. Graeme Hall swamp which was receiving raw sewage for over three years is on the rebound, fish have come back, the water quality is great, smells have gone down, the mosquitoes have been controlled.” He added “that the water in the swamp has remained at acceptable levels since the outfall was commissioned and the Environmental Protection Department has reported that the water quality samples have “comfortably passed” international standards for health and safety. However, oceanographic studies of the beach will be continued to make sure that the 12-inch outfall does not impact the water quality of nearshore or offshore reefs.”

I have some comments to make on the above statements. It is noticeable that no testing seems to have been done on the following: sediments at the bottom of the swamp; the presence of protozoans and lastly the presence of bacteriophages.The protozoan parasites Giardia duodenalis and Cryptosporidium spp.,are pathogens that are resistant to a number of environmental factors and pose significant risks to public health worldwide. “Their environmental transmission is closely governed by the physio-chemical properties of their cysts (Giardia) and oocysts (Cryptosporidium)allowing their transport, retention, and survival for months in water,soil,vegetables (Dumetre and others (2012).“Interaction Forces Drive the Environmental Transmission of Pathogenic Protozoa.’ Applied and Environmental Microbiology.p905-912. Note ,cysts and oocysts are survival bodies that are extremely resistant to different methods of destruction. It really does not make sense to say because the water is less cloudy that microbial conditions have improved significantly. Since sedimentation occurs over time, there is obviously going to be a gradation from the surface to the bottom of the swamp in the concentration of effluents. At each sub-stratum level, there will be different numbers of viable micro-organisms. The numbers being dependent on the ability of the sunlight to penetrate the water. Obviously,if there is significant amount of sewerage entering the swamp and little exiting into the sea (as seems to be the case locally), penetration of sunlight is going to be restricted due to the high levels of effluent present. The most important factor for the removal of viral and bacterial pathogens is sunlight exposure, although other factors such as temperature, dissolved oxygen and pH are also important. Sedimentation is the most important factor for the removal of protozoan pathogens. Therefore, sampling of the of the different strata and sediment have to be done to reflect the true microbial condition of the swamp’s ecosystem. It is interesting to note that the water quality samples have “comfortably passed” international standards for health. I do not know what this is supposed to mean. For example “Guidelines for the microbiological quality of treated wastewater used in agriculture: recommendations for revising WHO guidelines (Blumenthal and others.2000.Bull.WHO 78:9:1104-1116) reported that The United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA) and the US Agency for International Development(USIAD) have recommended strict guidelines for wastewater use as being zero fecal coliform bacteria/100 ml for water used to irrigate crops that are eaten raw(compared with the1989 WHO guidelines of < 1000 fecal coliform bacteria/100 ml), and for irrigation of commercially processed and fodder crops. It would be useful if the results of local sampling were made available to the public.

Sediments may provide a stable index of the general quality of the overlying water, particularly where there is great variability in its bacteriological quality. It should be noted also, however, that if the sediments at the bottom of the swamp are disturbed due to excess surface run-off which causes turbulence at the interface of water and sediment,there is an up-welling of sediment which can cause co-mingle,thereby re-contaminating the water.

Viruses which infect bacteria, are known as bacteriophages or simply as phages. Normally,phages infect a specific strain of bacteria. Enteric micro-organisms associated with fecal contamination are E.coli, klebsiella spp.,Shigella etc. There is a direct relationship between the number of phages and the intensity of fecal contamination. It should be noted here that the bacteriophage hijacks the bacterium DNA to make copies of itself,resulting in the death of the host(bacterium). Therefore, the failure to detect pathogenic bacteria does not mean that the water quality is adequate

The outfall which is being used to pump partially treated effluent into the sea,is going to cause an algae bloom,resulting in eutrophication (depletion of dissolved oxygen).As a result,there is going to be what can be termed a desert being formed in the affected area of the sea in which there is an absence of biotic life.

Sincerely

Robert D. Lucas, PH.D and CFS

 

109 comments

  • What accreditation in the area of biology has Minister Abraham received
    These bold outlandish statements would be made by these govt spokepersons because the media role in being the voice of the people has been converted to the voice of govt.

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  • But what about the outflow that was bubbling in the streets could it be possible that there is a possibility that some leakage could have seeped underground and affect the quality of our drinking water

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  • Mariposa

    Top marks for your comments at 8:40 p.m.

    I have been saying this for the longest while and today I have to join my friend Hal Austin and with the greatest regret say – YES – IT WILL END IN TEARS – IF THE MEDIA DOES NOT CHANGE COURSE.

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  • So far the 30 lovers are at it like flies at the sight of a turnover.

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  • No one in the media grill these ministers.

    No one in the media has any inclination to do research on what is said by these ministers.

    No criticism of these ministers (when valid) can find its way either on print or the electronic medium.

    Now that there is no significant opposition party to point out any lies, any dangerous trend or actions – the people are searching in the dark for some one (s) to point them to the truth, and for honest,objective analysis – but every man brekking for heself boasie.

    Maybe one day persons in their numbers will realise the significance of this AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE.

    CHANGE IS COMING – BE ON GUARD FOR THIS CHANGE.

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  • Gabriel there is no turn over here .Facts are facts. This govt has gotten away with many untruths and so far no one had the intestinal fortitude to call them accountable
    Cannot forget the daily deluge of articles in as much as if govt broke a finger nail that would be highlited across media outlets including BU
    Now all of a sudden the eyes and ears of media has gone silent
    For one that is not a good thing for a democracy to flourish and maintain its real value in the best interest of the people.

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  • T. Innis
    Give us a break. You always impressed us as having more sense than average.

    But AC getting top marks just for political expediency. Give us a break.

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  • Pacha

    Mariposa last sentence in her post at 8:40 p.m. is the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    You can discuss with her all or some of her other positions.

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  • My real concern is and has been how much has the effluent leakage penetrated our under ground water system
    These kind of questions which goes and means to serve every human being quality of life should be asked by the Fourth estate
    Yet nothing seems to bother these media outlets that impact the daily lives of barbadians
    Barbadians have been left to hopelessy drift out to sea with out a life line.
    But ah. There is BU whose growing interest lies daily within the interest of the american people and Trump Wall
    Lawd hav merci

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  • How do we plant corn and reap okra?
    For forty or more years we have allowed public discourse to be hijacked by party lunatics from the intellectual class.
    Both the traditional and new media are guilty of this accommodation.

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  • T. Innis don’t pay Pachama any mind
    He is as mad as a bull in a China shop because Mariposa dare called out his hypocrisy in defence of the mad tyrant Maduro
    Dont let him use this blog to divert attention away from this inept govt who seems to be taking barbados down the same path as Maduro
    Hence this wave of silence being witnessed coming from the airwaves of local media

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  • But AC

    We have saved you on BU several times. Now you cussing us.

    No good deed goes unpunished. LoL

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Mariposa February 7, 2019 9:34 PM
    “My real concern is and has been how much has the effluent leakage penetrated our under ground water system…”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The same amount that was estimated to be absorbed by the extremely expensive injection wells drilled under your incompetent DLP administration.

    Isn’t that the precursor to a situation similar to pissing and shitting in the water you will be using for washing and cooking and bathing in your backyard?

    There is a saying that what goes around comes around.
    Don’t be surprised if Barbados finds itself challenged with a situation similar to what gave rise to the supply of ‘potable’ water to the City of Bridgetown.

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  • Bro water does not need injection wells to travelled underground
    The fact that effluent can penetrate outside the sewer system and make its way into our streets is evidence enough to say that much of that effluent has made a negative impact on our undeground water system
    Miller but being the political pimp you are you are too blind too see

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  • Pachaman go to sleep

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  • AC

    Are you a water engineer as well.

    How come you could not fix the sewage problem and win the election.

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  • Maybe chairman Jong long wrote that staement for Minister “parrot” Abraham because anyone who have witnessed the long years of the abuse of the swamp by which sewage was pumped could not have made such bold outlandish statements and have no scientific analysis as proof to statements being made
    Unfortunately for barbados and its people and the 30- 0 beating barbados has now been degraded to the Sound of silence

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  • What Dr. Lucas has offered here is of great concern. The blogmaster hopes the relevant people reading the blog will act!

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “My real concern is and has been how much has the effluent leakage penetrated our under ground water system”

    Boil your water, filter your water…as much as you can..

    DISTILL your water, for those who can afford..

    the water is filthy.

    Cause Bizzy got a RIVER of TYRE sludge seeping into ya water supply also anyway….tyres are made from lead…right?..lead is poisonous right? , especially to children and their underdeveloped brains….while Bizzy is greedily taking twenty four million dollars a year from taxpayers ..Mia says the amount has been reduced and claims it is a sacrifice… for pretending to cycle…given him by the clowns of parliament for doing no recycling..

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    And they dare not dispute any of that cause they have the evidence.

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    With the evidence Mia got……that contract should be taken away from Bizzy and she knows it…

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    This is a very good article by David Commissiong..I sincerely hope he is prompting Mia to practice what HE PREACHED…

    Yes…David..it is time to make sure that Mia ups her game…

    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/outrageous-corrupt-government-contracts-are-killing-barbados/

    “As we approach Barbados’ 50th year of Independence, I am calling on all patriotic Barbadians to join together and make a determined effort to uproot and eradicate the destructive remnants of the “Old Colonial System” that still exist in our supposedly independent nation.

    And one particularly odious remnant is that aspect of the “Old Colonial System” that traditionally permitted the social and business elite of Barbados to have compliant members of the political directorate grant them outrageously preferential business and commercial arrangements that allowed them to feed on the substance of the Barbadian State and on the mass of predominantly black labourers, consumers, and – in more recent times- taxpayers!”

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “Fellow Barbadians, this is not right! The “Old Colonial System” continues to choke us and to subvert the positive advances we have made as a nation over the past 49 years!”

    Ah must say though…despite me telling UK to come collect their colonial…oops..sorry…commonwealth slaves….it is the house negros in the parliament with their low level shitey colonial titles…who with their black ass skins believe themselves to be honorary whites when those titles are conferred on them ,,..BY BLACK PEOPLE… they are the illiterate jackasses keeping the “old colonial system” firmly in place to line their goddamn pockets with bribe money and maintain multiple offshore accounts, multiple houses and mansions and all the other shite they do…..to enrich themselves at the expense of their own people…

    .UK cannot be blamed for this….neither the old colonial system itself..but the descendants of slaves…aka house negroes of parliament who keep the system of destruction of their own people in place and firmly intact……OR… they would get rid of it…

    Maybe it is time Comissiong tells Mia to get rid of it…..and don’t think for one moment anyone wants her as any dictator either…or she will know what hell looks like…when it breaks loose..

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  • Mariposa
    Thé bees were in power fir 8 months, not years

    Where is ur concern for the « years » under the dlp that sewage was pumped into the swamp?

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  • Can’t run with the hare and hunt with the hound

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    interesting to note that the Four Seasons scam… Bjerkam, Cow, Bizzy, Pemberton’s raid on the NIS Pension Fund…thanks to dumbass David Thompson, Fruendel…and later we found out…Mia as the project’s lawyers…which robbed the NIS Pensioners of 60 million US…still unaccounted for.and never repaid….which happened years before Cahill…was never mentioned in Comissiong’s synopsis…ya would think that would be worth a mention…too..

    ….and later …the loss of the over 16 acres of the same property….which Bjerkham claimed he bought from Sinckler for 60 million US dollars …using a shadow company…with Tempro as the director…money that neither the audit general nor no one else can find.. ..once again, the taxpayers and pensioners got ripped off…

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  • John2
    Abraham words took an effect that all was well in the swamp in as much to say that the stream and flow of water in the swamp was of good quality
    I offer my comment to differ based on years of effluent being dumped into the swamp and which would have taken a massive and expensive clean up effort to produce the quality of which Abraham speaks

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  • What Abrahams is saying is that in the eight months the government has been in office they have improved the situation compared to what the inherited from an incompetent David Estwick. Unless one is ignorantly politically partisan you have to agree. The fix is short term, sensible Barbadians look forward to a long term plan for treating with waste in Barbados.

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    nor ANYONE ELSE one else can find

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  • Vincent Codrington

    Very good article by Dr Lucas as usual.
    It drew attention to certain micro biological risks to the use of the swamp water as well as the need to continue tests of the seawater in the vicinity of the outfalls.

    Geologically there should be no risks to the potable water supplied by BWA. That water comes from a different source.

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  • @Vincent

    Do you support posting the results of testing of potable water.

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  • When these ministers come on TV pontificating about these technical matters, they should be REQUIRED to present the technical experts who are willing to vouch for the statements that they make.
    Except for some low rate political yardfowl, you will be hard pressed to find such an ‘expert’ to spout such shiite – for fear of being embarrassed by peers.

    Abrahams do not know one shiite about geology or hydrology.
    In fact, one wonders how much he knows about Law – given the state of the Legal system AFTER his stint as president of the Bar association, so we are lucky that we have someone with balls like Dr Lucas who is willing to give a professional, knowledgeable comment on the nonsense that has been spouted…. otherwise everyone would go off repeating the political crap that we heard from the minister as if it made sense.

    He also makes bold statements about 100% renewable energy too… Where are the technical experts who are willing to support his commitments?

    What a place….!!!??

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  • If David or any one else has to interpret their version of what Abraham said all said by Abrhams without evidence of scientific facts and void of clear analytical testing of. the water
    Then barbados is in deep doo doo
    Al least past govt never made such asinine comments based on political promises
    This present govt hit the ground running telling lies now is forced to tell more lies because if promises made

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    The best way so far to see how contaminated and filthy the water is…buy a distiller and see all the various sediment, corral sediments…and filth at the bottom when it is done distilling..

    …..distilling also gets rid of bacteria and other waterborne diseases completely…much better than filters..

    don’t hold ya breath for the minions to tell ya anything, their job continues to be one of cover up.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 9:18 AM

    No. I do not think it is necessary to post those results . Most of the public will not know how to interpret them,especially with changing standards of acceptability.
    I trust technocrats to do their jobs. I pay my utility bills, levies and taxes. I expect competency and integrity in return. I do not believe in micromanagement.

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  • Wilys confusion is the result of our fearless BLOGMASTER dividing authors article into two separate blogs without telling the BU PACK. Now this is the kind of discussion Wily was expecting.

    Wilys confused, some will say what’s new, but I do not see one mention of the swamp in the article. Wily was reading with intusism as he was expecting to see that government minister or other has declared the swamp pure and clean, fish healthy(those that have survied turd-itis) etc etc.

    “Sewage problem solved” AH YES WHAT CRAP, pardon the pun. Effluent(raw) still being discharged out to sea via the bypass pipe etc, etc. SHIT not presently flowing in the street does not mean the problem is solved, just means a lot of political grandstanding. It’s time for some presentation and long-term study of the swamp, swamp flora and fauna, sewage effluent outflow causation, etc etc. And the biggy, what exactly was the sewage PROBLEM, CAUSATION AND LONG TERM CURE AND CORRECTIVE ACTION.

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  • Mariposa

    So u are accepting that the dlp is partly/mostly to blame for what u r terming for the « year » of contaminating the swamp?

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  • Got to clear out my brain and read the article before I comment or GP will come out of hiding with the “moron” banner.

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  • Swamp water is never of a high quality for any kind of use

    Swamps that has become contaminated with sewage will eventually return to natural water quality over a period of time by the natural occurring process

    Note I said water quality

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  • Yes for public Record all those results should be seen by the people
    Also for a clear and precise view to hold govt accountable especially when problems of such nature can be problematic to the enviroment and impact negatively healthwise to citizens

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  • @Vincent

    “I trust technocrats to do their jobs.”

    All I can say is BIG MISTAKE. Barbados technocrats, politicians etc are the biggest incompetent sillysorisis since the dinausors roamed the earth.

    Drinking Water quality in Barbados has always been under suspicion because of suck wells, pit toilets, poor agriculture practices and lack of standards begin ENFORCED. Remember the BLUE FLAG BEACH PROGRAM that was proposed numerous years ago, ask yourself what ever became of this grandous play. Wily can tell you, international procedures and beach water quality failed to remotely meet the acceptable standards so government quickly disbarred the program rather than comply and report the less than acceptable results. These are some of your TRUSTED TECHNOCRATS.

    Time to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES.

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  • Barbados Underground Whistleblower

    Wily can tell you, international procedures and beach water quality failed to remotely meet the acceptable standards so government quickly disbarred the program rather than comply and report the less than acceptable results. These are some of your TRUSTED TECHNOCRATS.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Need I say more.

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  • Looks like it is time to rename this blog “Barbados MariPinnis Ground”. Dem busy enough.

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  • Mariposa

    We’re u so concerned and held the previous goverment for testing and the results of those test?
    We had sewage leaking all over the place for over two years

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  • The sewage situation is a lot better in 8months than at any point in the last two years of the previous administration and never did u call for any test

    The only test we had was a or stunt of two minister taking a dip at writhing beach

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  • Worthing beach

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  • The Blogmaster repeats, there is no evidence that potable water is contaminated. Those spouting differently are speculating. If they are of a different view pull their pockets and request a test.

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  • Not to discount anything those who know better than I have said but I have been drinking our water for almost fifty years and I have always been as healthy as a horse. My grandmothers and grandfathers all lived to a ripe old age. The water did not kill them . My mother and father are still alive and not obviously at deaths’s door. We all ate and eat our local vegetables as well. I believe that the last thing that was removed from my supermarket shelf due to suspected contamination was romaine lettuce from the USA.

    I am not saying that we should not be concerned or vigilant or seek to improve our systems or water quality but maybe the situation is not as dire as some think. The situation with the swamp and the overflow must be properly monitored by the correct standards because “what en happen in a year can happen in a day” but it does not seem that we are dying by the droves due to our water quality. A permanent solution to the problem should still be sought to minimise the damage to our marine environment. We obviously have some work to do.

    But….that’s not what’s killing us yet.

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  • If they are of a different view pull their pockets and request a test.
    Q WHO WILL TAKE THE SAMPLE(S) FOR THE TEST?
    WHEREFROM?
    HOW MANY SAMPLES?TESTS?
    WHAT TEST(S)?

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  • I knew this would flush you out, G.P!

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  • YEAR AFTER YEAR, DAY IN DAY OUT, ARTICLES ARE POSTED ON BU.
    THE BARKERS AND BRAYERS AND BRIMBLERS ARE QUICK OUT OF THE GATE TO PONTIFICATE AND DEFAECATE! VERY VERY FEW BRING ANY SERIOUS SUBSTANCE.

    EG DR LUCAS OPINIED It is noticeable that no testing seems to have been done on the following: sediments at the bottom of the swamp; the presence of protozoans and lastly the presence of bacteriophages.

    FOR A START WHY HAS NOT ANYONE ASKED WHY DOES HE DEEM SUCH TESTS TO BE NECESSARY SEEING THAT NO ONE DRINKS SWAMP WATER OR SWIMS IN THE SWAMP OR FISH IN THE SWAMP?

    THE BARKERS AND BRAYERS AND BRIMBLERS MAY CONTINUE TO PONTIFICATE AND DEFAECATE WITHOUT BRINGING ANY SERIOUS SUBSTANCE TO THE DISCUSSION.

    YOU MAY ALSO CUSS ME .

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  • RE I knew this would flush you out, G.P!
    NOT REALLY
    APPARENTLY I AM NOT NOW BEING MODERATED.
    WHY SHOULD I SUBJECT MYSELF TO BE MODERATED BY SCUM ON BU?

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  • “Al least past govt never made such asinine comments based on political promises….”

    Come on……. they even did worse.

    Read the following excerpts from an article posted to Global Voices entitled: “Barbados’ Sewage ‘Crisis’ Causes a Flood of Problems.”

    The whole mess has been made worse by the fact that some experts saw it coming. In January 2017, anonymous BWA officials told Barbados Today that the country’s waste system was on the verge of collapse. These same BWA officials also confirmed allegations by Mia Mottley, the country’s opposition leader, that the government had turned down offers to finance the rehabilitation of faulty diffusers and the construction of a proper sewage system for the west coast.

    With regard to the south coast, which is the location of the current effluent leak, the source said, “How can you be building hotels on the south coast and in Bridgetown [the capital] when the entire Bridgetown and south coast sewage plants are outdated and dilapidated? These plants need urgent attention.”

    This lack of attention has turned the controversy into a political football, with Mottley promising that her government will solve the sewage crisis should it win this year’s upcoming general elections and Minister of Commerce, Industry and Small Business Development Donville Inniss defending his government as the poop literally hit the fan — or at least the pavement. He also denied that the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) government knew about the problem and ignored it.
    Barbadians did not mince words when it came to discussing the issue online. In a post titled, A Shitty South Coast, the popular Barbados Underground blog lamented the current situation:

    The South Coast of Barbados […] has been known at home and abroad as the place to wine, dine and party by locals and tourists alike. Regrettably in the last year the South Coast has been making the news because of sewage overflowing onto public spaces; roadways, residential and business premises. […]

    The reality is that the sewage system in Barbados has been poorly maintained through the years and the hodgepodge approach of the BWA has been significantly affected by a lack of funds and pertinent expertise.

    The site also posted videos showing the sewage leak and expressed exasperation with the government’s public relations spin:

    “Many of us were BEMUSED by the DECISON of ministers of government Richard Sealy and John Boyce to BATH in the SHITTY WATERS of the South Coast in order to CONVINCE a suspicious public that all was well.”

    “We await PR stunt number 2!”

    While sewage continued to flow along parts of Barbados’ south coast, Facebook users expressed their frustration over the government’s mismanagement of the situation:

    “I refuse to eat or even partake in any event on that side of the island this is a down right national shame the government of Barbados should take full responsibility for this national disaster! And this is the perfect example of how they have managed the affairs of Barbadians!”

    Some netizens thought the public health threat was serious enough to be called a national security issue and many more were concerned about the impact of the leak on the country’s tourism sector — a sector which makes up a large majority of Barbados’ gross domestic product (GDP). Others noted that there was “still not much substance [being] shared [with] the public”, despite the fact that they are the ones most adversely affected.

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  • BOTH DLP & BLP ADMINISTRATIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SOUTH COAST SEWAGE ‘CRISIS.”

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  • GP,

    Lighten up! What does it matter?

    It’s a lot less fun with you gone. Even if you call me a moron.

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  • GP,

    Articles such as these need to be read, reread and digested before we can delve into the real substance. I suspect that we move on before we do so. I have read it only once. Need to read again. Also I digest better with a printed article. I find it much easier.

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  • Note the comment about testing the potable water must be taken in context. A commenter mentioned that the South Coast sewage event had implications for the drinking water, words to that effect.

    You are right Donna, life is short and we must find ways to relieve ourselves of ‘toxicity’.

    Lol

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  • The blog masters has become worse than ac
    His commonsense has been blinded by his allegience towards the blp

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  • DONNA

    RE GP,

    Articles such as these need to be read, reread and digested before we can delve into the real substance. I suspect that we move on before we do so. I have read it only once. Need to read again. Also I digest better with a printed article. I find it much easier.

    IF ONE IS GOING TO DISCUSS AN ARTICLE PROPERLY, THE COMMON SENSE THING TO DO IS TO READ IT PROPERLY TO DETERMINE THE INTENT, CONTENT, AND EXTENT.

    IF PERSONS DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TOPIC THEY SHOULD HOLD OFF FROM PONTICATING, SPECULATING AND DEFAECATING, DONT YOU THINK?

    FOR EXAMPLE YOU WILL NOTICE THAT I STARTED BY ASKING A PERTINENT QUESTION ABOUT JUST THE FIRST ISSUE RAISED BY DR LUCAS.

    BUT LIFE IS SHORT SO I AM GONE AGAIN

    YOU KEEP SWEET

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  • @David

    “If they are of a different view pull their pockets and request a test.”

    David We’ve had this conversation on numerous previous occassions, you got dementia. Wily has on numerous occassions had the BWA water, that is being delivered to his Barbadian residence, tested by a Canadian government authorized agency, over a period of some 3 years and all water samples were returned as NON POTABLE by Canadian standards. Wily as a result only uses BWA delivered water for irrigation, car washing etc, drinking water comes from a reliable Barbados reverse osmois rum producer source which is governed by international human consumption standards. Every Bajan should ask themselves why is the country drinking water not checked at least weekly at All SOURCES, RESERVOIRS etc for QUALITY CONTROL and the RESULTS published immediately on the GIS.

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  • @Wily

    And mentioned above how were your tests conducted? Did you collect water in a container and send by Fedex?

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  • Wily
    Good that you canadianized

    Ask the plenty of centurions we got here what standard of water them drink for all their lives. I will bet you it is always 100% bwa standard

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  • “We have come in eight months….. Graeme Hall swamp which was receiving raw sewage for over three years is on the rebound, fish have come back, the water quality is great, smells have gone down, the mosquitoes have been controlled.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually sewage has been pumped into the swamp for more than a decade.

    In fact, it prompted the GHNS to commission an assessment of the water way back in 2010.

    https://barbadosunderground.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/graemehall-assessment.pdf

    “In February 2010, the Sanctuary authorized Environmental Engineering Consultants, Inc. (EEC) of Tampa, Florida, to perform the investigations at Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary, Inc. Field investigations included sediment sampling for benthic and chemical analysis; surface water sampling for chemical and bacteriological analysis; sampling of fish and crab for chemical and pathogen analysis; surveys of on-site biological indicators; and site reconnaissance for surrounding activities impacting the Sanctuary.”

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Wily Coyote February 8, 2019 3:44 PM “Wily has on numerous occassions had the BWA water, that is being delivered to his Barbadian residence, tested by a Canadian government authorized agency, over a period of some 3 years and all water samples were returned as NON POTABLE by Canadian standards.”

    Well isn’t it strange that the Canadian High Commission at Bridgetown has not notified Canadians resident or travelling in Barbados of this? Some of my relatives are Canadian, and have signed up for the travel alerts provided by the Canadian government, and they have NEVER been notified that Barbados’s drinking water is non potable. I would bet anything that those people who work at the Canadian High Commission drink BWA water, both at home and at work. In addition a friend who should know has told me that the folks at the U.S. Embassy are forbidden from using the U.S. taxpayers money to buy bottled water because Barbados’ water meets the WHO standard. People can buy bottled water for themselves, their families or their guests if they wish, but they are forbidden from using U.S. taxpayers money to do so.

    But you don’t have to believe me re; the Canadian situation. Check for yourself. Check everyday if you wish.

    https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/barbados

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  • JOHN
    yOUR RESPONSE REFLECTS AN ANSWER BY SOME ONE WHO HAS MASTERED THE BASIC TENETS OF ENGLISH COMPREHENSION–AN ABILITY WHICH IS NOT FREQUENTLY EXHIBITED BY THE STANDARD BU BRIMBLER, ONCE DESCRIBED AS HIGHLY CREDENTIALED COMMENTERS.

    WILY

    YOUR QUESTION SHOULD BE……….. Every Bajan should ask themselves WHEN DID THE COUNTRY STOP CHECKING drinking water at least weekly at SEVERAL SOURCES AS USED TO HAPPEN.

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  • i saw the other day this minister threatening to introduce laws to punish persons who put certain items into the sewage system. when the DLP complained that this was a part of the problem the DLP was ridiculed by the said minister and his cohorts.

    equally the civil servants advising this minister is the same civil servants who advised the former minister, yet the former minister’s plans were laughed away.

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  • Bim has been ruled more by the BLP than the DLP but somehow the BLP has managed to convince bajans that all of our problems began in 2008 and ended in 2018. it is like nothing prior to that matters. it never happened.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    How many times does a minister or civil servant have to tell people not to put grease, diapers, sanitary napkins, condoms, clothing, bed linen etc down the sewer?

    Do we need a Minister or senior civil servant to tell us to wash our hands before meals too?

    Do we need the government to tell us to go to bed at a decent hour so that we are alert and feel good tomorrow?

    Do we need a Cabinet level official to wipe our noses?

    Stupssseee!!!

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  • We have reached a place in Barbados where the average Bajan and business are unwilling to make contact with the big picture. Government can be blamed but there is a lot left to share around.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife February 8, 2019 4:28 PM
    “I would bet anything that those people who work at the Canadian High Commission drink BWA water, both at home and at work. In addition a friend who should know has told me that the folks at the U.S. Embassy are forbidden from using the U.S. taxpayers money to buy bottled water because Barbados’ water meets the WHO standard. People can buy bottled water for themselves, their families or their guests if they wish, but they are forbidden from using U.S. taxpayers money to do so.
    But you don’t have to believe me re; the Canadian situation. Check for yourself. Check everyday if you wish.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So why is the Barbados government allowing the importation of “bottled water” costing millions in foreign exchange which is now being borrowed from the IMF?

    Do you realize that the government- under both political parties- has been borrowing foreign money to pay for crap such as the importation of stale water in plastic bottles?

    If the Bajan pipe water supplied by the BWA is so reliably consumable and poses no threat to human health why is the government not deterring this obvious wastage of scarce foreign exchange which is making foreign water companies while the local BWA is about to undergo financial rigor mortis?

    We shall see if this wasteful habit continues when the current practice of single-use plastic is banned; as promised just like the commitment to transparency and accountability or even the return of the taxpayers’ own money in the form of tax refunds.

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  • the average bajan and businesses have always looked to govt as their saviour. bajans businesses seem to firmly believe that unless they get a govt contract they cant function. they are not innovators. they dont drive the production sector. they are blood suckers.

    on the other hand govt presents itself as the answer to every problem when in reality our govt borrows,gives away to the private sector, taxes its citizens and borrows again.

    it just depends on the world financial cycles whether one party appears to better manage the borrowing than the other.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog February 8, 2019 5:55 AM. “tyres are made from lead…right?”

    No.

    Rubber.

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  • “The protozoan parasites Giardia duodenalis and Cryptosporidium spp.,are pathogens that are resistant to a number of environmental factors and pose significant risks to public health worldwide. ”

    http://www.kdheks.gov/nps/resources/notes_ww/crypto.pdf

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Does rum ever kill anybody?

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Reminds me of a friend who always worried about the water quality, drank but nothing distilled/filtered but would eat a gallon of ice cream at a single sitting.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ James Greene February 8, 2019 4:49 PM
    “Bim has been ruled more by the BLP than the DLP but somehow the BLP has managed to convince bajans that all of our problems began in 2008 and ended in 2018. it is like nothing prior to that matters. it never happened.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Welcome to the club for scapegoats!

    You need to check the BU archives and you will see that the yard-fowl apologists for the former DLP administration (and even its highest political officials) used to blame the 14-year OSA administration for all the problems it faced from 2009 to 2018.

    This ad nauseam blame-game continued long after the former PM OSA accepted culpability for everything which occurred during his regime: “Mea Culpa”, said Owen, loudly!

    We shall not even mention the other extremely ‘tiring’ scapegoat of an international recession which started in 2008 but finally ended in May 2018.

    The DLP’s glory days of proactive and productive governance ended in 1974.

    The BLP’s ended in 2005.

    What has played out since is the rise and rule of the professional politician who can find no other job to get rich quick.

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  • Why should testing be done on these when we don’t drink or bathe in swamp water? I assumed it was because it can seep into our water supply. Isn’t that why the squatters at the Belle are considered a problem? Is there another reason I don’t know about? Then tell us.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Mr. Melville Williams will be 109 this month.

    Bet none of the miserable BU crew will get anywhere near that.

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  • John
    February 8, 2019 4:24 PM

    “We have come in eight months….. Graeme Hall swamp which was receiving raw sewage for over three years is on the rebound, fish have come back, the water quality is great, smells have gone down, the mosquitoes have been controlled.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I believe that for the water quality in the swamp to improve there has to be rain!!

    It needs to be flushed.

    In December 2018, here in Christ Church we had 2.52 inches of rain.

    In December 2017 we had 7.04 inches and in 2016, 5.93 inches!!!

    In January 2019 we had 61 parts, 0.61 inches.

    In January 2018 we had 3.83 inches and in January 2017, 1.11 inches.

    We face a serious drought.

    The swamp will probably be the least of our concerns as the year progresses if we don’t get rain!!

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    http://gerontology.wikia.com/wiki/Melville_Williams

    Melville Uriah Williams (born 21 February 1910) is a Barbadian centenarian who is, at the age of 108 years, 352 days, the oldest living man in Barbados.

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  • Did they really stop checking water samples from several areas weekly? I was unaware of that. That wouldn’t be smart. Ignoring a problem does not make it go away. If there is a problem with the water supply it will surely manifest itself in illness in particular areas that will be obvious to all. It is not something that can be hidden.

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  • Haven’t our rain patterns changed a bit? I remember having a lot of rain in a period when it is usually dry.

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  • So far for February, no rain has fallen where I live!!

    Full Moon the 19th so it isn’t hopeless!!

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    We had some rain on Monday night, but not a lot. None since.

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  • @John

    In your opinion it will rain Barbados at some point in the future?

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  • Donna
    February 8, 2019 5:29 PM

    Haven’t our rain patterns changed a bit? I remember having a lot of rain in a period when it is usually dry.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This report from 2010 has the rainfall data for Grantley Adams from 2000 to 2010 when the report was published.

    https://barbadosunderground.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/graemehall-assessment.pdf

    Check page 77.

    The numbers are in mm … 1 inch = 25.4 mm

    Looks like every January in this period was greater than 1 inch, 25.4 mm.

    The Barbados Sugar Technologists Association published the data from 1843 to 1983.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @David February 8, 2019 5:46 PM “In your opinion it will rain Barbados at some point in the future?”

    Yes it will rain. Likely after the first week of April.

    February and March are typically quite dry.

    Once I heard my father say that he had seen “the rain run ‘longside the road in February” At that point I had never seen that, but since then I have. My father grew yams, which were used to feed us (along with flying fish and tomatoes). None of us died before old age. Without the rain and the yams some of us would have surely died. I am nearly 70 now.

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  • @David

    Water samples were collected in Ontario Government provided sterilized WATER TEST SAMPLE BOTTLES which contain some kind of preserving solution, stored in the refrigerator at recommended temperature, packed on ice and couriered to Canada for testing including the chain of custody record. Canadian testing agency did not know the real source of the tested water. Report(s) in cases came back as NON POTABLE based on Ontario drinking water standards. In all cases nitrates exceeded allowances, heavy metals were borderline on some samples which could indicate trace amounts from lead solder from my residence and in one case benzene was detected at low levels suggesting petroleum products. The primary reason for the non potable classification came from the excessive nitrate levels, in one case being 900 times the exceptable limit. High nitrate levels point to or suggest agriculture fertilizers migrating(runoff) to the source of the water.

    @SirSIMPLE

    As Wily recalls there is still a BOIL WATER ADVISORY by both the Canadian and US for Barbados, has not been lifted to my knowledge since last year’s South coast sewage issues. Wilys tests results are specific to his St.Philip location, BWA SOURCES and resivors their water from/at various locations.

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  • David
    February 8, 2019 5:46 PM

    @John
    In your opinion it will rain Barbados at some point in the future?

    ++++++++++++++++

    February, March and April are the driest months on average.

    After that we are into the wet season from June.

    May usually sees an increase over those three months.

    If we don’t get rain, the West Coast water wells will probably be shut down to avoid salt water intrusion and Belle will potentially have some problems.

    If we don’t get rain we are in for a rough dry season … the folks in the higher elevations will be howling for blood!!

    Sewage problems will appear minimal!!

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  • Bowmanston which is on stream water will probably have to be shut down too.

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  • Once I heard my father say that he had seen “the rain run ‘longside the road in February” At that point I had never seen that, but since then I have.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In 1951 on average 14.5 inches of rain fell in February!!

    After that the wettest February was in 1976 when 5 inches fell.

    Between 1843 and 1983 February averaged 2,2 inches!!

    This February has started real bad!!

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  • @David

    There is no evidence that the drinking water is contaminated, likewise there is limited facts that it’s not, other than a few technocrats and politicians going for a swim to say it is, hummmmmm.

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  • A guy I know who cuts lawns predicted this in December from his observations … hope he is wrong!!

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  • @David

    Then there’s water quality testing numbers, oh yes the old adage comes to mind, LIARS FIGURE AND FIGURES LIE.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Wily Coyote February 8, 2019 6:02 PM “heavy metals were borderline on some samples which could indicate trace amounts from lead solder from my residence.”

    You should if you can replace the lead soldered pipes in your home.

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  • @Wily

    Why not share the results with BU? Relevant info can be redacted.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @John February 8, 2019 6:11 PM “In 1951 on average 14.5 inches of rain fell in February!!”

    My old man was middled aged in 1951. I almost didn’t believe him, but i had to because he was a straight up kind of fella. He talked about the severe flooding in Speightstown in the 1930’s too. I think 1938?

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  • Yup, 1938 was a wet year.

    In all on average 88.5 inches for the year … on average expect 60 with a low of 40 inches.

    November that year had 28 inches

    Scotland District slid big time.

    I have seen photos of what was left of the boiling house at Burnt House just below Cleland, opposite Breedy’s Millwall going down to Greenland and it was a moon scape.

    The land swallowed it up.

    The wettest year was 1901 when 4-500 acres at Boscobelle slid.

    Still can the cliff face separated up by Mount Stepney.

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  • David
    February 8, 2019 6:26 PM

    @Wily
    Why not share the results with BU? Relevant info can be redacted.

    +++++++++++++++++

    The 1978 Water Resources Study is available in the Public Library.

    Volume 5 deals with quality.

    My memory was that back then when samples were taken all drinking water wells were out of spec on occasions.

    It can only have become worse!!

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  • @John

    You are of a few results should be shared with the public?

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