The Chairman of the Mens’s Educational Support Association (MESA) responds to Minister Charles Griffith reference to men as ‘sperm donors’. The blogmaster understands the Nation Newspaper so fat has refused to print the submission.
President of MESA Attacks Minister Charles Griffith’s for ‘Sperm Donors’ Comment
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117 responses to “President of MESA Attacks Minister Charles Griffith’s for ‘Sperm Donors’ Comment”
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I am sure that Minister Griffith’s use of the term “sperm donor” is taken out of context. We who watched and heard his speech did not find it offensive, but colourful speech. Biologically speaking, is that not what we men donate towards the conception of a child ? What is wrong in advising men to take more seriously their other roles as a parent?
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MESA is a pathetic embarrassment to all thinking men.
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Sensible people understand that Minister Griffith was imploring recalcitrant fathers to “man-up” and to see to the emotional, spiritual, social, and financial needs of their off-spring.
I therefore join Minister Griffith in his call.
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Men who don’t wish to be fathers should ensure that their sperm goes directly into a condom, and from thence straight to Mangrove Landfill.
And when they are old and sick, don’t expect other men’s children to look out for them.
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Would not so gladly join hand in hand and call “men sperm donors”
My father using him as an example would not fit into such category
However on the topic of responsibility as to be dutiful and actively involved in the child/children’s lives there are those men who fit snuggly into the category of being called “sperm donors and not Fathers
In any case the Chairman of Mesa also have a right and a duty to defend the good name of Fathers whose live their life for their children
Most likely he being a Father felt insulted and being unfairly attacked by the minister cavalier sense of painting men with a broad brush and rightfully spoke out to defend the name of good fathers
In all reason and good taste the minister should offer an apology to Mesa in a context of not meaning to cause any harm to the name of good fathers
Yes most can rationalise what the Minister meant
However unintentional his words were not to meant to cause harm his words caused furor among some which should be nipped in the bud -
In his speech during debate on legislation to abolish the mandatory death sentence, Minister in the Ministry of Housing, Lands and Rural Development Charles Griffith said too many Barbadian youngsters were ending up in the law courts charged with murder and other criminal offences, because their fathers “donate sperm” but refuse to “man up” afterward.
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where is he painting all men with the same brush?
why should a real father feel offended by this comment? -
If a feller is a waste foop then he is a waste foop.
About 21 of chairman Maos 26 ministers are Waste foops
The remaining five should not be offended but they should afraid very afraid
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This matter raised by MESA the blogmaster sides with the view it is a small potato issue. There is the bigger issue of how the system continues to ignore the plight of men who are genuinely being effed by the system with women being the ‘winners’. Child custody and access are two where women routinely ignore court orders that guide this matter.
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Child custody and access are two where women routinely ignore court orders that guide this matter.
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Not men too…?
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@Bush Tea
Obviously men too. The issue here is for there to be justice for all. In the current setup honest fathers are being shortchanged and they have a right to advocate against it.
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Interesting analysis David so you are saying that women get the advantage and have control of the children. So the trouble and crime that is caused on the island by these children is the fault of the women since they are in charge Makes sense.
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Many homes do not have father figures. The blogmaster is not a sociologist but is willing to bet it does not help to nurture the ideal family unit.
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so Women having to leave the house to collect sperm have a better chance of raising problem children than ones that have there sperm delivered. Interesting
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Pages 48 and 49 makes for interesting reading. This part of the draft paper deals with Urban Design and Derelict and Vacant Buildings and Lands.
Several derelict buildings and vacant lots have been a perennial problem. Like the minibus culture!
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The responses to MESA are not surprising thanks to its inability to address the issues faced by compliant fathers. Uneccesassy diatribe which did not speak about the men who support their kids financially and providing education finance. Yet some mothers frustrate access orders and refuse to include fathers name on school/Kindergarten registration form. Thus no bonding of child in its formative years. Forbidden access to school sports and PTA participation.
MESA despite its inclusion on the Family Council have failed to address the arrogant disrespect and unprofessional conduct towards men in court by some Judicial Officers. How could justice be saved and men are reporting daily been told by some judicial officers “ I do not want to hear you.”
MESA has also failed to address the chronic Gynocentricism within the system where it would appear some persons in the system see all men as guilty and nuisances.
MESA has also refused to make representation to the Chief Justice and Attiorney General on Parental Alienation Syndrome which is now under consideration by the WHO as a disease.
MESA has also failed to engage with the DPP, COP, AG and CJ on the many cases of malicious prosecution and protection orders. Only recently a malicious prosecution of inappropriate touching by a man of his own girl child was thrown out after back and forth for over 7 years. Scarred father, destroyed relationships and emotional torture of child thanks to a spiteful mother.
Why is it ok to call men sperm donors, deadbeat and dogs? Our society is mean and becoming extremely ignorantly Gynocentric just to please the radical feminist who have infiltrated the feminist movement just as radical Muslims have embedded themselves into Islam.
Let’s us stand with the good men and be equally critical of women who are suffering children emotionally by depriving children of relationships with fathers. Perhaps a reading of Kim Ramsey’s Barbados Wanted would not surprise you all on reading that most males in prison had no father figures around.
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@Kammie
The word that eludes you is numb- we have morphed to a society that has become numb…
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Somethings cannot be made up. Recently I had reason to request the police assistance to deliver my daughter’s Xmas gift due to a failure of mother to facilitate delivery or communicate. The presiding judge on hearing this found it favorable to tell me “ I have to be sick”.” This said women maliciously said to the judge in the past she is afraid of me and the judge never once asked her why but went on to scold me. When I told the judge her brother threatened me she asked me if I think the brother would harm me and then have to support my daughter. Somethings just cannot be made up when you are dealing with manipulative bitter women or men.
Men must use their emotional intelligence for women will get a protection order in the wink of and eye without any clear antecedents. Police have been maliciously sent to my premises already. Now to stand up to these makes you a trouble maker. So the persons talking shite on here must remember it may not be a child issue but what ain’t pass you ain’t miss you.
I have chronicled journey with this court issue and will tell all very soon as I have also made the Chief Justice aware of my observations and those of other men who complain daily of not getting a fair hearing while women are treated as saints.
The emotional strength of a women is more deadly that the combine physical strength of two men.
I must also say I have spoken to magistrates and judges who are also concerned about what they are hearing. However, unless the norm is challenged and men speak out the gynocentric concerns will take longer to root out. -
@ john2 September 21, 2018 10:21 PM
“In his speech during debate on legislation to abolish the mandatory death sentence, Minister in the Ministry of Housing, Lands and Rural Development Charles Griffith said too many Barbadian youngsters were ending up in the law courts charged with murder and other criminal offences, because their fathers “donate sperm” but refuse to “man up” afterward.”++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Does Mr. Griffith’s ‘erudite’ explanation for “too many Barbadian youngsters committing murder and other criminal offences” apply to the very high murder rates and criminal offences found in Jamaica, T&T and St. Kitts?
If it is, then it just can’t be a Bajan thing or phenomenon.
He needs to look at the bigger picture.How does he explain the massively high incidence of lies, corruption and in some cases downright thievery (criminal offences) perpetrated by so-called honourable men in that so-called august chamber of lawmaking; most times in cahoots with those well-educated senior public sector managers brought up in so-called nuclear-church-going family environments?
Mr. Griffith would have been on more ‘even moral solid ground’ if he was admonishing with equal gusto the women (egg producers many educated to university level) not to have sex or lie down (in the most Biblical of injunctions) with men unless they are married; with all the legally contractual obligations involved.
Anything else ought to be considered rape, a real criminal offence; or to use another biblical set of sins- fornication, adultery.
Isn’t Mr. Griffith- who is now part and parcel of the political class (caste) – being a bit prematurely disingenuous by attacking an easy target of recalcitrant “sperm donors’ who only role is to make one-way deposits?
What ‘criminal offences’ would he consider to have been committed by members of the political class and their ‘pals’ over the last 10 years of abuse and deceit of the ordinary people and the financial raping of taxpayers?
Have the necessary deposits (tax payments) been made to the Bajan Treasury by those who received millions into their bank accounts posing as legal fees and consultancy charges, in return for discharging written bullshit and bogus services to the taxpayers’ owned or funded entities?
Why doesn’t he seek to find out if the relevant tax obligations have been met in respect of the millions siphoned off by the friends of members who have recently graduated from the political class and from which one of whom will soon be chirping like a canary from Sing Sin(g) in a foreign jurisdiction?
‘Those who are without sin, cast the first stone’.
“You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye,
and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye.” -
@David, numb and dumb to our rights for only when it visits us or a person close to us will we get support. Mothers, girlfriends, friends, brothers and even grandmothers call me since I went unashamedly public for MESA plays politics.
A. girlfriend called me recently to get Core Layne and I to speak to her boyfriend who was suicidal. He built a house and took out loan for a woman as they have a child together. He moved on and was placed in court for maintainence. On going to court with his receipts the magistrate made an ordered on the urging of a busy body clerk for $260 despite his net pay is $200 and went on to belittle the man who started to cry.
A very very SIMPLE guy who was then told the order has to remain in place for 1 year before it can be altered. I suggested he speak to the Chief Magistrate Mr Birch for he is in a mess due to debt commitments. The info can provided to the authorities to verify. These things are wrong and this is the sort of things MESA refuse to engage the Chief Magistrate on.
When these sort of things happen how can men with voices in Barbados remain quiet?
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@Miller, $15 Billion and too many politicians got offshore accounts while corruption is hidden. Politicians need to man up about their beneficial ownership in companies. Mr Griffith should apologies to his sperm donor voters who pays his salary.
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@ miller
Is the minister observation wrong?
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If men are “sperm donor” then are some women just “sperm collectors/recipients”?
There are good and bad players on either side of the sexual/reproductive act. Motives and intentions are not always on display before and after the clothing is removed.
I know for a fact some males(men) are merely “sperm donors” likewise some females(women) are merely sperm recipients. (period/full stop.
Just what i know and my thoughts.
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Our BASIC problems remain…
Shiite lawyers and a failed legal system.ALL societies have bad eggs of all sexes who are wont to do shiite.
The REQUIRED response is for a wise, efficient, fair and transparent set of GUIDELINES, along with a working LEGAL system to address these brass bowls.Our issue is not really about ‘bad men’ or ‘bad women’
… in one way or another, we all probably qualify for one of these categories…
The problem is with the countries BAD response systems…. Thanks to the shiite lawyers that led us for 40 years. -
Mr Holder, surely you can’t drop the remark “Perhaps a reading of Kim Ramsey’s Barbados Wanted would not surprise you all on reading that most males in prison had no father figures around….” and just be done with it just so.
Like the Blogmaster I am no sociologist but one can be quite exposed enough to cast viable opinions.
Your two posts taken together are instructive but as is wont in life if we tilt too far East we invariably decidedly get onwards a West ward track eventually.
Yes, women can be vicious in demanding concessions from the father of their children when family affairs have fallen into the despair of the courts but that state of affairs evolved from an often harrowing history of male privilege.
Yes, female court officers can be heavy handed towards men in custody issues now but for years past in BIM and beyond the incidence of men victimizing women in those circumstances was more prevasive.
So as you allude, today men (and women) have to be intelligent about how they present themselves before the courts…surely we know the nature – nasty and sweet – of our once beloved partner so it can NOT be a surprise to behold their actions to sic police on us or even the more serious ‘swatting’ as it is called in US.
Thus we must use all the devices (legally) we have available to us to record, video tape and memorialize our recent partner in their most deceitful bad behaviour to nullify the poor victimized persona they offer before the courts.
Life can indeed very harsh when relatinships dissolve and there are no shortage of ‘how to exploit my mate’ manuals available from reality TV, social media or old fashioned books so we all have to step up practically and sensible to be the best defenders of our character.
We can’t point fingers of how disadvantaged we are now because rightfully females can just as aptly point to how they were disadvantaged in the past…. that East to West travelouge!
…if we could all do some serious variation of what G. Gordan Liddy (of Watergate infamy) did as he decided on his mate then some of these life problems would likely be non existent… in his case, he scrupously checked the bonafides of his wife-to-be and ensured she was as good a compatible match for him! We try of course but then some of us go out there and do some crazy stuff which completely effs us the original cool compatibility!
It is never easy.
And incidentally as others have noted over time: several, several outstanding and upright Bajan men were raised by single mothers and received wonderful father figure roles from myriad of other sources…it a comprehensive indictment of the ENTIRE society to lament that NOW those mostly incarcerated are lacking that role.
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On a different note. It appears that commercial banks may be selling insurance. “revenue by any means necessary is revenue”, “The Malcom X of Bankers creed”
I wonder where is the toothless under (wo)maned FSC is on this. Regulatory Viagra? Only if such a think exist along with PUDR “Golden Liquid” .
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@de pedantic Dribbler, sorry the book is called Barbados Most Wanted. You are correct in your balanced response. The desire to ensure women equality has been overtaken by radicals who seem to think let’s destroy the male in our quest to ensure equality for women. You have correctly postulated that the lawyers are the problem for they are only the ones who benefit from these long drawn out contentious emotional access cases.
I was a product of a single parent home but I had many uncles and cousins as role models within the close-knit family unit. No longer can gynocenticism be ignored and its link to deviancy and broken homes.
its difficult for a woman who never had a father around to understand why her daughter father needs to be in her life.
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@ john2 September 22, 2018 8:46 AM
“Is the minister observation wrong?”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++An observation cannot be wrong. If that is the only prism through which he sees the phenomenon, so be it.
It is in the interpretation and application of techniques to solve what he considers to be problem that would be ‘wrongly’ appropriate?
What do you expect as the output from a society in which 70% of children are born outside of wedlock (in the Judeo Christian sense of that word)?
Isn’t he part of a government which is always encouraging young people to have babies aka to increase and multiply in order to enlarge the population for economic reasons and to support a graying population of the 1950’s baby boomers?
Did these baby-boomers come from nuclear households where daddy went to work and mummy stayed at home? Or are they the offspring of many village rams like in the good old plantation days?Where do you think those babies would come to be the worker bees to feed the old infertile queens and worthless drones?
As aphids from the same twisted mouth of the politicians who are preaching to the young people (many of them unemployed or underemployed to use condoms when having sex?
From the many of the 70% university-educated women whose biological clocks have been broken while they wait on the perfect sperm donor to join them in holy matrimony?
What do you think that ‘in excess of 70,000 voluntarily idle’- making-up the country’s employment statistics- do when the day (and night) comes? Go to work at Idle Hall and get pay at Work(up)mans?
Do you really expect unemployed young people to get tied (up) in a wholly expensive holy marriage while still living in sub-standard conditions with their extended family?
There is nothing new about the term ‘cock tax’.
Men today are doing a much better job at fatherhood than their forefathers.
Just look at the many dads (and granddads) taking their offspring to school, to the playgrounds at Chefette and around the eating tables at KFC. -
There is a market for sex, and the by-product of the sex is often – children. This no pornographic sex we see in the in the x-rated” movies etc it more like a nature/booty call thingy. But there is a market. Sometimes the market is disguised as a “relationship”. Unfortunately that give a bad name ot the word “relationship” so i suggesting a better word “TRANS-ACTION-SHIP”
Many a many males and female are in long/short/medium term “transactionships” where children are a by-product.
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Ok David the Minister spoke without thought or concern on what furor he might have created by using the term “sperm donor”which apply describes men who are irresponsible in their parental duties
Then you makes a comment as to the effect a storm in a tea cup
My question therefore to you is why (then) did you find it necessary to post the articleOn the other side of the political fence and what cannot be describe as a storm in a tea cup
The pensioners outrage of being suckered punch and having been asked to care a double weight of barbados debt making them receive the shi.tty end of the stick across the board
My question therefore to You why wasnt the pensioners concerns not given immediate attention onBu
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I agree with miller, a lot of bajan women wear panties to keep their ankles warm
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@ Miller.
You are blowing what the minister said way out of proportion .
I agree with him for the context he was speaking. Also he said he was speaking from experience, being brought up by a single mother. Also he was/is some kind of youth councilorI also agree with you that men are doing a lot better today etc,
The minister are not call out those dads that are doing a lot better. He is calling out the “sperm donors” and asking them to step up and become like the good/real fathers.It is human nature to call out something that you think is wrong/bad before you praise something that is good/right and something that is expected in everyday life.
Take a look in at other blogs and you will see, that because of what the minister said, other people instead of praising the roll mothers played in their children lives they go towards the negative about women as sperm collectors etc.
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A Good morning to all.
Thanks for that bit of information Mr Lawson. Can you tell us “Why do you wear panties?”
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@John2
Anyone who has been on BU for a period of time can tell you that post of this type usually end up in bashing women.
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lol i was waiting for you ya irish twat.,this is like fishing for rats at the dump, they give more of a fight than a four pound bass, although catch and release is a little trickier.
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Seems as if you got your panties knotted…. Untwist, breathe deeply and answer the question….
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Suspect taking them off is a part of your failed comedy routine..
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getting panties off has never been a problem for me
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But why put them on in the first place?
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John, because the Minister was brought up by a single mother the circumstances of his upbrings devoid of a father gives him the right to label all men as sperm donors. What about the women who use their children as devices to discourage those fathers who wish to have a productive relationship with their children? Listen! We to have examine both sides of the issue before we start throwing labels around unjustly regarding those men who continue to meet a stone wall when they endeavour establish a productice relationship with their children from these vindictive women.
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@ John2 September 22, 2018 10:29 AM
What is he saying about the women who sell their bodies nightly on the Bushy Hill?
Who is looking after the children while they are out working; if not their sperm-donor daddies and pimping uncles?
Do you know how hard it is for a boy child having to call many different men ‘Dad’?
Since Bajan women today are just as educated, or in most cases more educated than the men, why not plant the seed of change in the fertile female ground which should bear the most fruit?
Why not ‘encourage’ women to have children from ‘nice’ men like yourself instead of worthless vagabonds like the profligate well-endowed miller?
Isn’t that reason why the institution of marriage was designed for?
Why not preach marriage before sex (and not outside) instead of decrying the feamle products of such moral infelicities?
The future of the black race lies not only in the womb of the black woman but also in the mentality of the black woman and, by extension. male.
“The Hand That Rocks the Cradle Is the Hand That Rules the World”.
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I agree with miller fathers day in barbados is a very confusing time
o gaz I have found a simple mathematical algorithm to the removal of panties…. the higher the denomination I take out of my wallet is in direct proportion to the speed in which they come off. This happens 9 out of ten times with a 4 percent plus or minus chance.of error -
LOLOL @ Miller
….like the profligate well-endowed miller?
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Well endowed…..with shiite talk…
…and ‘profligate’ …like Scrooge…
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He did not say all men and he was not talking about the men who are trying. You need to go and read the article.
.Miller
again you are taking what he said out of context and making too much of it.
Is it wrong to ask the “sperm donor ” man to “step up” and become a dad?
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@ lawson
It was long evident that it is only via your wallet that you could achieve such disrobements….It certainly could NOT be via your wit…
…and we all know that you cannot be endowed in the manner of Miller’s vivid imagination….
So…
Thank God for those dollars…..
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Miller
“Why not ‘encourage’ women to have children from ‘nice’ men like yourself instead of worthless vagabonds like the profligate well-endowed miller?”
If you can make that statement
What is wrong with the minister asking the “sperm donors” to step up?
You don’t want him to do it, or to do it his way? He must do it in a way that pleases miller and the sundries ?
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@ Lawson at11:04 AM
It is putting them back on in a hurry that gets them into the twist . That is where the problem really is. LOL
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@ John2 September 22, 2018 11:48 AM
Jack, there can be No sperm donation without a willing recipient?
Do you really believe that sperm banks exist only for infertile married couples who are angry at their Christian god?
Check and see who are the preferred donors (depositors) and who are the ones making the most withdrawals from such banks.
Barbados just happen to be behind times by relying mainly on old (primitive) methods of genetic (s)electioneering.
Stop with the man-bashing thingie and ask yourself if a woman would want to have a real baby (not a jacket) from a midget man who is loving caring and provider of all things material but who cannot cut the mustard or bon in bed like a 6ft 3 ins. hunk and hung like a serpent.
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Miller
It doesn’t matter how or who she get the sperm from. A child come into the world if he donate the sperm then he should also man up.
Man up don’t only mean financially.
I have no more to say on this topic. You can continue you support for the sperm donor and keep beating up on women with someone else.
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True bushman it is only you and you alone on the blog that can make women laugh after disrobement.
The blogmaster invites you to join the discussion.