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Nelson statue on Broad Street defaced on the eve of Independence Day.

Some of my more literate readers will recognize that I have borrowed the title of todayโ€™s column from the BBC comedy show of the 1960โ€™s that satirized the weekโ€™s developments and news stories. I do not at all possess the satirical or comedic talents of the BBCโ€™s scriptwriters, but some events of last week do merit further exposition. Moreover, with the radio talk shows on a self-enforced break so as to take advantage of the lucrative pre-Christmas commercial offerings, I suppose that people will do a lot more reading of the newspapers and the blogs to keep themselves abreast of local current affairs.

One of the highlights of the week was the public anticipation of the decision of the Fair Trading Commission [FTC] on the legal validity of the SOL/BNTCL merger as proposed. Since I currently have the honour of chairing that institution, I paid especial attention to the populist public discourse on the matter. What struck me most about that phenomenon was the seeming consensus among those who aired their views publicly that the merger should not eventuate into approval by the FTC.

So much so that when one newspaper suggested, even before the decision was published, that the sale had been approved, it provoked comments that I consider defamatory of myself from one source, clearly without the slightest clue as to the law relating to fair competition, that โ€œintegrity needed to be returned to the Commissionโ€ while making mention of the last two years, the period that coincides precisely with my tenure as Chairman. I have accordingly referred the matter to my legal advisors and will say no more on that for now. His was clearly a purely partisan view, based wholly on the perceived sentiments of those to with which he may be politically aligned.

There seems for some reason to have been a general public anticipation that the sale would be approved or maybe it was the case that there had been some misleading leak of the Commissionโ€™s deliberations, since another section of the press, not the Barbados Advocate, also boldly suggested in its Tuesday edition that the โ€œFTC [was] set to okay the BNTCL sale.โ€ On the subsequent publication of the decision to the contrary, that section of the press, to my best recollection, did not even deign to concede the inaccuracy of its Tuesday item. Ah, well.

It is clear, and perhaps understandable, that some members of the public perceived the issue as a partisan political matter. If approved, a victory for the DLP, if not approved, a regrettable loss. This is indeed a pity, but par for the course in Barbados, especially at the current time when much is viewed through partisan lens. I am pleased to relate that both the technical staff involved and the members of the Board of the Commission dealt with the matter judiciously as one of applying the relevant law and economic theory of fair competition to the proposed agreement between the parties and took all relevant admissible evidence into account.

A work of art

Another divisive event that took place during the week was the re-decoration (I put it no higher or lower than that) on the eve of the observance of our 51st anniversary of Independence of the statue of Lord Nelson in Heroesโ€™ Square in the national colours. It seems clear that the occasion was chosen with some care, to highlight no doubt, the incongruity of the substance of the next dayโ€™s celebration with the prominence of the Nelson statue in the equivalent of the national pantheon.

In this context, public reaction again varied, though not necessarily on partisan political lines this time. Rather, it lay in the unstated but nearly palpable distinction among those who wondered how we would appear to others if we were to permit the destruction of national monuments with impunity and who therefore appealed for condign punishment for the culprit(s); those who view Nelson as some totem of the whitish Barbadian and for whom his removal would be anathema; those who consider the statue to be a blot on our current national ethos undeserving of such geographical prominence; and perhaps those who do not consider the current placement of the statue to be even worthy of contemporary discussion.

Officialdom, of course acutely sensitive to the majority public opinion at this time, came down safely on the side of law and order and cowered under the promise of a national conversation on the matter; as if these ever result in anything other than an intermittent resumption of the debate every six months or more. Whither, one may ask, the โ€œnational debateโ€ on formal constitutional republican status for Barbados? Whither the โ€œnational debateโ€ on the execution of the death penalty? Whither the national debate on corporal punishment in schools?โ€ All kicked down the road until the next time with a promise of an imminent national discourse. Given our cultural penchant for talking over doing however, [with of course the exception of the Nelson decorator(s)], it may be just as well.

Of course, the apt democratic mode of resolution would be to refer the matter to a plebiscite but, given the unpredictability of these and the natural fear of a governing administration to have any substantive indication of being out of step with its electorate, this seems most unlikely.

As if this were not sufficiently heady, a local historian managed to introduce another intriguing angle to the entire debate. According to Dr Karl Watson or, at least, the newspaper headline, โ€œNelson was not pro-slaveryโ€, a proposition not at all proven in the text of the published article that appears to suggest rather that the Admiral acted merely as a tax collector on the island for the British government and points to no utterance of his or other evidence that might support the assertion in the headline. More debate is expected.


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228 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – What was the week that was…”


  1. There are some things you will not understand but for some of us living is a 95% Black country and having a statue of Lord Nelson perched in National Heroes Square …


  2. John December 3, 2017 at 10:58 AM #

    You are a hero. Curricula tell us what society considers to be relevant for educating the next generation. It goes right to education by.rote and a critical education.


  3. Up to age 7 at Girls Foundation, the subjects were:

    Arithmetic, tables
    Needlework
    Reading
    Dictation
    Writing
    English, Copy and Poetry
    Drawing
    Physical Drill


  4. John December 3, 2017 at 11:16 AM #

    Any for the secondary years? School leaving age was 14 at the time.


  5. At 11

    New Testament
    Old Testament
    Grammar, Composition, Poem
    English History
    Geography
    French
    Arithmetic
    Dictation
    Reading
    Writing
    Catechism
    Physical Drill


  6. At 15, 7 subjects at Junior Cambridge

    English
    Religious Knowledge
    English History
    Geography
    French
    Art
    Hygiene and Physiology


  7. Violin with James A. Millington at 17

    She was working at 17


  8. London Bridge was sold to an American in 1968.It was taken to Arizona and re-assembled.There was a time not long ago when Barbados produced 200,000 ton of sugar.Today it can scarcely muster 10% of that tonnage.Sugar’s importance to the GDP of Barbados has declined so also might its replacement, at which time Nelson’s statute might be on the auction block.Until such time it should be museumed,appropriately.


  9. John December 3, 2017 at 11:21 AM #

    This is rather interesting. You continue to make important contributions to our social history. I remember J.A. “Jam” Millington.
    What was her job at age 17?.


  10. The 1831 Hurricane destroyed every parish church except St. George.

    See book by Professor Fraser.

    The last Parish Church was rebuilt in 1837, All Saints in the early 1840’s.

    I don’t buy the gallery theory, I think that was just extra seating.

    If you look at many of the numerous other smaller churches you will not see galleries.

    My theory is that the Anglican Church was not as important as it became after 1824 because most Christians were Quakers.

    The churches were thus pretty flimsy … as were the Quaker Meeting Houses of which there is no trace today.

    I see many fields in Barbados named “Room” Field and I think that’s where most worship happened in early days.

    The Meeting Rooms were flimsy affairs as well.

    Quakers did not go for physical buildings as churches, rather spiritual!!

    That’s why there is no physical trace of their Meeting Rooms.

    If you look at the statistics from 1824, you will see there were only 5,000 sittings in the Parish Churches.

    This was a third of the “white population”!!

    Parish Churches were built back big to accommodate the increasing numbers of Anglicans.

    It looks like early Christians in Barbados did not go to church!!

    That is I think a reflection of the Quaker influence.


  11. Tending animals on a plantation, keeping poultry for sale and cooking/keeping house for her brother who was first an overseer but became manager!!

    First plantation her father bought in 1939.

    Got it cheap because of the depressed times but benefitted from the increased sugar prices in WWII and paid off the mortgages he raised against it quickly.


  12. Minister of Tourism and International Transport Richard Sealy says sex tourism is a real aspect of the Barbados product. And while he neither condemned nor condoned this practice when he addressed an audience at an HIV/AIDS edu-drama presentation and cocktail reception…

    Here is the end of morality in Barbados. A minister not condemning or condoning prostitution as long as the money comes in. Further evidence .. that Barbados is a failed society.

    .

    ..


  13. This conversation has drifted off topic whether that’s by design or accident is anyone’s guess.In keeping with one direction if memory serves (since I am in Trump land and don’t have access to my files) didn’t Bobby Morris provide a different rationale and date for the origin of Foundation School?


  14. The failings of academicians include arguments for conservation while suppressing critical information that should be publicly known.

    No economist or politician in Barbados has ever told us that John Maynard Keyes was an eager eugenicist and we have followed his attempts to make capitalism more humane all that time.

    It was these prominent eugenicists who started the conservation movement as a vehicle for their hidden agenda.

    Karl Watson has told us previously that the Jewish Synagogue (of Satan) in Barbados was an important historical monument. But Watson has never articulated why and when this ‘den of demons’ was located in Barbados in the first place.

    Why it is the second oldest, the one in Brazil the oldest by a few years, in the western hemisphere.

    Now, in keeping with his Whites first policy, he adds his voice to those of his ilk who would want to have Nelson eternally dotting the landscape of Barbados.

    By extension, he could also be expected to suggest that all those named streets in Bush Hall, like Queen Mary Road, have some cultural value to the national psyche, economy of Barbados.

    These always represent the height of vicious attacks of Afrikan peoples for which there are never adequate responses.


  15. Sargeant

    I will check my sources for Foundation school.


  16. http://www.uwipress.com/sites/default/files/JCHVol39%231Final_with%20cover.pdf

    25 August 1671: Will of Captain John Williams of Balls plantation, Christ Church โ€œI give as a stock [capital gift] for the poor of the Parish of Ch. Ch. and towards a free school three hundred pounds to be paid within three years.โ€

    “Here, the evidence is clearer. What have to be identified are the physical structures and institutions (school and colleges, churches, almshouses, hospitals, roads and bridges, and so forth) and the services (poor relief, apprenticeship schemes, educational support, and so on) which were funded or created by specific charitable trusts. Hospitals, almshouses, roads and bridges cannot be identified, but four or five schools and one institution of higher learning were established by charitable trusts. The foundation of Codrington College and the Lodge School were direct consequences of Christopher Codringtonโ€™s bequest in 1710. Harrison College owed its foundation mainly to Thomas Harrisonโ€™s deed of gift in 1733. The Alleyne School was the result of endowments principally made by Sir John Gay Alleyne in 1785. Combermere School owed its foundation in part to the Drax bequest of 1682 (though the modern school was probably not established until 1819). The Boysโ€™ Foundation School came into existence after 1809 partly as a result of the 1671 bequest of Captain John Williams. Some churches, notably Providence, Bethel and Rices (Methodist), Mount Tabor (Moravian) and St Barnabas (Anglican), were built on land donated by church members, and some of those donations may have been expressed in terms of charitable trusts. There are several other examples of charitable trusts that supported poor relief, and many of these functioned into the twentieth century (for example, Carpenter, Lyder, Blades). Similarly, some charitable trusts provided financial support for the education and support of poor (white) children (Bryant, Butcher, Collymore), and some of these are still active.13”

    I just go one step further than Professor Marshall and say these bequests were of Quaker origins!!


  17. John December 3, 2017 at 12:50 PM #

    Great John.


  18. Murdah!!..
    De shiite birds of a feather really flocking today….
    Wonder where Vincent is…?


  19. Karl Watson has told us previously that the Jewish Synagogue (of Satan) in Barbados was an important historical monument. But Watson has never articulated why and when this โ€˜den of demonsโ€™ was located in Barbados in the first place

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ll tell you once you go and check it out for yourself!!

    The Bible is the root cause through the Puritans and then the Quakers!!

    Both wanted the Jews to be able to hear the Gospel … New Testament!!

    But, I think there is another reason.

    The Jews were expelled from England in 1290 and were not officially allowed back in until the era of the reformation when the Bible, translated for the first time into first German (Martin Luther) and then English became available.

    The translations were done from original Hebrew and Greek.

    Hebrew scholars provided the knowledge for the translation.

    Where would you find Hebrew Scholars in the era of the Reformation?

    Where else but among the Jews who by 1492 had been expelled from Spain and fled mostly to Holland.

    So, the Jews of Amsterdam became the origin of the Bible in languages other than Latin, the only permitted language at the time.

    You got burnt as a heretic for translation into other languages!!

    The Bible is the foundation document for fist America then Barbados.

    Most of the first Puritans to America in 1620 were separatists form the Church of England who found refuge in …. you guessed it … Holland!!

    Non conformists!!

    They then went to America on the Mayflower, along with others who were not separatists.

    Through the Bible and its translation, the Jews are thus in the story of the New World from well before the first settlers, or slaves, even arrived!!

    They are responsible for the Non Conformists.

    The Bible is the foundation document for the New World and that’s why atheists have such a problem!!

    Once you know this simple fact, their agenda becomes clear for even the dumbest person to see!!

    The Jews are God’s Chosen because they kept the Bible, His Word, and second they gave the world Jesus.

    You see why Barbados is fallen!!


  20. John December 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM #

    You have to be careful of the idiots in the blog; one claims Latin was the original language of the Bible, and another claims that Logic is .not core to philosophy.
    Tell me, John, apart from sugar manufacturing, what . skills/knowledge did the Jews bring to Barbados?
    \ .


  21. Hal Austin at 11:06 AM
    For a statue of a racist erected by other racists to be accorded a place of honour in Barbados in 2017 IS an injustice.

  22. William Skinner Avatar

    Failure to teach the history of the majority in schools; failure to dump the queen as head
    of state; failure to remove Nelson;
    failure to address land use policy; selling
    off our most precious resource land to
    foreigners; allowing one man to control almost a third of all arable land; failure
    to understand this is 2017 and not 1817.
    Imagine in 2017 we here looking back
    at which church gave us schools. Why not
    mention the racism; how in the same
    churches blacks could not enter or had to
    sit at the back; why not mention the
    starvation wages of that period; why not
    mention that Barbados would not employ
    a black agent or sell a black person insurance
    Why not mention Belleville and Strathlyde.
    All wunnuh here trying to make shite taste
    like cake. And finally ask wunnuh selves the
    burning question: Why after 63 years
    of the BLPDLP we still having this
    discussion in 2017.

  23. William Skinner Avatar

    That should be Barbados Mutual would
    not employ or sell a black person insurance


  24. John

    Have we ever struck you as askers of questions to which we know not the answers?

    In any event your bogus historical rendition could only be acceptable to people looking for things to believe in – not those of us who know. For if one knows there is no need for belief.


  25. A statue of Nelson is .not – cannot be – an injustice. It is a mirror reflecting back to us an image of ourselves.
    What the statue does address is our sense of an identity crisis, that 51 years after constitutional independence, we are still confused about the icons we celebrate. But in Barbados this is easy.
    What about class? We still have the five or six families that believe .. they are the aristocracy of the island, a fiction that clouds their minds. They dominate the political parties and high office and marginalise the gifted children of ordinary families. What about the daily abuse of ordinary .working class people in our courts, in particular … the magistrates courts, ., without any comment from politicians or lawyers?This is the real social injustice.
    .
    . Then we have the educated misfits, those with BAs, MAs, PhDs, diplomas, but no sense of reason. Qualifications, but no education.

    .


  26. Extracted from historian Richard Drayton’s Facebook wall.

    Richard Drayton added 5 new photos.

    8 hrs ยท

    Nelson, Slavery, Barbados, race and the politics of history: November 2017

    In the night on the eve of November 30, 2017, the 51st anniversary of the independence of Barbados, the statue of Horatio Nelson at the centre of Bridgetown was splashed in yellow and blue (the national colours of Barbados). A placard headed "Nelson Will Fall" placed in front the plinth declared: "This RACIST white supremacist who would rather die than see black people free stands proudly in our nation’s capital NELSON MUST GO!! Fear not Barbados the people have spoken. Politicians have failed us. HAPPY INDEPENCE [sic erat scriptum]".

    Less than a year after Nelson died at the Battle of Trafalgar in October 1805, the planters and merchants of Barbados subscribed funds to build a memorial to him. In March 1813, a bronze statue was unveiled in a space they called Trafalgar Square (both statue and square thus predate their London equivalents by 30 years). The statue was from its beginnings entangled with white planter politics. They sought to demonstrate their "patriotism", and their membership in the political classes of the British nation by building this statue right in the centre of their capital outside their House of Assembly (the planter legislature which dated from 1637, where the enfranchised 2% of the island’s population, all white propertied Anglican men, made its laws in the name of the King). It is not coincidental that the statue and square were built in decades in which the "West India interest" was fighting a rearguard battle against the abolition of the slave trade, and after they lost that battle against any further steps towards abolition, and always in defence of high tariffs against East Indian and other ‘foreign’ sugars. After slavery was abolished, really effectively from 1838 (although the act was passed in 1833), the Nelson statue became a place in which Barbados’s connection to Britain was celebrated. The colonial mindworld took pride that Barbados was "Little England". Amazingly, through the 19th century until the first government of Errol Barrow stopped it in 1962, wreaths were laid in public ceremonies in honour of Nelson each October 21st.

    In Barbados after 1966, most of the manners and culture of the colonial society continued their momentum. A small Black Power movement around the newspapers "Black Star" and "Manjak" in the 1960s, the Yoruba House movement in the 1970s led by BabaElombe Elton Mottley, and especially the eruption from below of the rastafarian movement began to tug from underneath and above at this world. As I recall it, questions about Nelson being in the centre of the new nation’s capital began to be asked in this moment of the 1970s. But it took a calypsonian, the Mighty Gabby to make this a national question in the 1980s with a calypso "Take down Nelson (and put up a Bajan man)". In the 1980s, instead of wreaths, garbage and manure was placed in front of the statue. In the 1990s, the government of Owen Arthur considered the matter, and in 1999 Trafalgar Square was renamed Heroes Square at the same time as ten national heroes were named. The statue of Nelson was turned in its aspect, but it was not removed.

    The new campaign to remove the statue of Nelson began in the last few years. One factor was the rise of the Reparations question, fuelled in particular after 2012 by the revelations of the Legacies of British Slave Ownership project which led to the CARICOM governments launching their 2013 claim. Rhodes Must Fall and the Confederate statues question in the United States, in addition, made the question of sites of public memory a new focus of attention. Sir Hilary Beckles, the most prominent national historian of Barbados, made Nelson a special object of attention.

    What began to emerge was an argument that Nelson was not only an odd English presence to keep outside the parliament of a now independent nation, but that he had been a conspicuous supporter of slavery and a particularly important opponent of abolition. A local historian Trevor Marshall in a letter to the newspaper in April 2017 made the rather extraordinary declaration that "all researchers today regard Horatio Nelson as one the main factors why the British slave trade was NOT abolished in 1790, but in 1807 after his death in 1805". Actually I know of not a single historian of the abolition of the trade who would argue that (except in the sense that the Royal Navy’s command of the sea meant that slavery was safe for those years in the late 1790s when France was an anti-slavery power): Nelson had zero practical personal involvement in anti-abolition politics.

    That is not to say that he was not politically pro-slavery, which in our translation would be that he certainly took white supremacy as a natural order to be defended. And posthumously he did play a part in anti-abolition politics: in 1807, at the climax of the debates in Britain about abolishing the trade, a private letter Nelson had sent to the Jamaican planter magnate Simon Taylor in June 1805 was republished by Cobbett in which Nelson had denounced "the damnable and cursed doctrine of Wilberforce and his hypocritical allies". Of course, an informed cynical reader might argue that the point of the letter was to suck up to Taylor in the hope of a nice fat cash gift from West Indian planters for Nelson having scared off the French navy, the question of slavery itself was not central to the document. But his views were clear, and it is quite reasonable to argue that it is absurd that 50 years after independence, a statue of Nelson stands in Heroes Square outside the House of Assembly and Senate of Barbados. As with Rhodes in Oxford, the case for moving Nelson to the museum is clear.

    However what exploded on social media in Barbados on November 30, 2017 was an extraordinary discussion about public history and race. To begin with there were the usual complaints that Nelson had been there for so long so why move him. The argument "What about the tourists, won’t they stop coming?" which is wheeled out in Barbados whenever people talk about the island becoming a republic (as it is in Britain, to defend the Royal Family), was rehearsed in denunciation of the "defacement" of Nelson. More surprising was the eruption of protests among a minority of the perhaps 8% of Barbados’s population which identifies as white which defended Nelson, in one extraordinary case by asking how black Barbadians would feel if Karl Broodhagen’s magnificent statue of Slave in Revolt [last image, commonly incorrectly called "Bussa’s statue" in Barbados, with people thinking it is an image of the 1816 slave rebellion leader] was splashed in paint! Others pleaded that the white Barbadian population’s origin in the indentured servants and political prisoners from Scotland and Ireland of the 17th and early 18th century, and the social exclusion of poor white Barbadians until the 20th century, were not remembered. This then produced a response from black Barbadians that this, as per some of the white United States conservative mobilisation of the idea of "Irish slaves", involved a denial of the history of white supremacy and its impact on unequal wealth and family experience into the 20th century.

    Where the conversation on race in post-independence Barbados will go is not clear. What is the case is that to a considerable extent in terms of social life, nuptuality, and to a certain extent residence and recreation, elements of self-segregation remain visible in the society. Things have improved massively from when I was a child. I remember how coming from Guyana at the age of 8, I found Barbados an impossible society to understand. It remains a very difficult society for outsiders, even those from elsewhere in the Caribbean, to penetrate. It is still true that the society meets at school and in the workplace, but disaggregates and re-aggregates into often quite clearly racialised clusters outside of it. That is not to say there are many who have come out of the white Barbadian social world who are not clearly and articulately anti-racist and I even know some who identify with the politics of socialism. There are class and status tensions between rich and unmoneyed white Barbadians which are rarely discussed or recognised. Most importantly, there is actually a clear identification for the vast majority of white Barbadians I have come across with the idea of Barbados as the nation with which they identify now and always — those who could not emigrated at independence to Australia etc. This involves for a growing number a recognition of their own cultural blackness (matched by a new post-independence remembering of people of colour who were ancestors, who two generations ago would have been energetically forgotten!). I think the room is open for a renegotiation of ‘whiteness’ in Barbados, and that here and there we can see the process is advancing. But Black Barbadians will have to participate in this process.

    George Lamming in a 1965 essay which was republished in the Barbados Independence issue of New World made the following aside about the ‘white West Indian’:

    "He is our own true minority-man. Instinctively we think of him as a man of privilege. This was, and still remains true. But it is a very dubious privilege; for he knows, no less than those from down below,

    that the dice are dangerously loaded against the role which history assigned him. He is like a man at the top of the ladder. He can climb no further, and he dare not descend without the emotional permission of those below"

    Who will lead the climb down the ladder, and who will welcome those who take the risk of descent to the nation dance where, in Nicolas Guillen’s words, "lo mรญo es tuyo, lo tuyo es mรญo; toda la sangre formando un rรญo", ‘what’s mine is yours, what’s yours is mine, all the blood forms a river’?

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  27. David

    Yuh try yuh best but we got some of the most profound idiots around BU

    Pray tell why can’t a statute represent a social injustice?

    Why does the word injustice have to be exclusively used in relationship to law

    And are bodies of law not part and parcel of a society, the social fabric

    Does anybody bothers to refer to etymology anymore

    Are we the only people with all these old dictionaries

    That is what is what literacy should be about, not merely calling words one after the other or spelling every one ‘correctly’.

    It has to be about the changing meanings of words over centuries.


  28. @Pacha

    It is not difficult to understand, it is why we need young minds to replace and complement old thinking. People like Hal cant be blamed for the linear thinking they exhibits. It is what he knows.


  29. My suggestion: Exchange Nelson with Sincklerยดs statute so that everybody gets revenge. At least the folks have than a reason to colour him white and to throw rotten eggs and salad.


  30. “You have to be careful of the idiots in the blog” …say Hal.

    Mind you (as Caswell is wont to say…)

    This is a man who came on the SAME blog to ‘innocently’ explain how he had handed hundreds of dollars over to a basic little scam artist in Barbados ..related to a time share scam… one that even ac would not fall for…

    This is a man who exchanges emails with an unknown person- going into extensive discussions about a company he knows NOTHING about, ..making stupid statements that he has no idea about …
    …and subsequently is crying foul and defamation…

    …and now he is coming on the SAME blog to warn us about “idiots on the loose”…
    Well at least he has quite extensive experience in the area…

    Step-father … kum fuh yuh whirl…. PLEASE!!!


  31. David December 3, 2017 at 2:47 PM #

    Pray tell what is linear thinking about what I . have said? T|hat an old colonial statue cannot be a social injustice? That it is more a .reflection of an identity crisis? That class in Barbados is more of a social injustice t.than an old statue? That it has taken 51 years after constitutional independence to still debate the relevance of an old colonial statue? Do tell.
    I will not dignify the nonsense about age.


  32. Oh lawdy, another historian!!


  33. John December 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM #

    Have you noticed how discussions go in BU? You put forward a reasonably argued position and the predators come out with personal attacks, which totally miss the point.
    @John, this is the evil of learning by rote.

    .


  34. Hal Austin December 3, 2017 at 1:31 PM #
    John December 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM #
    You have to be careful of the idiots in the blog; one claims Latin was the original language of the Bible, and another claims that Logic is .not core to philosophy.
    Tell me, John, apart from sugar manufacturing, what . skills/knowledge did the Jews bring to Barbados?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Finance and capital are often mooted.

    Trade, mercantilism.

    You don’t see many in the production of sugar, rather in its trade.

    There are however some who own land really early, example the de Acosta family … DaCosta!!

    Sure sign that sugar on its own was not as profitable as some believe.

    The profits were in the triangular trade and sugar was just a commodity traded.

    This alone calls into question another standard claim, that the Jews brought the technology to Barbados!!

    But, as I have said, their contribution to Barbados and the New World, goes far beyond these mundane activities and reaches back long before Barbados was even settled.

    This is the foundation of America …. and Barbados!!


  35. The “sine qua non” … dat dere so is latin for those Latin experts!!


  36. John December 3, 2017 at 3:20 PM #

    What I find interesting is that at the time the Renaissance was at its heights, Copernicus, Francis Bacon, Descartes, Galileo, Kepler, Locke, Newton and others were hard at work; the Spanish – having been ruled by the Moors for hundreds of years – had .. pushed maths throughout Northern and Western Europe, yet very little of this seemed to have been transferred to the .slave nations. Why?

    .


  37. Richard Drayton’s contribution to the debate over the statue of Nelson is a balanced and brilliant discourse. Totally devoid of polemic or cant, it summarizes the issues and uses a prominent thinker associated with Black liberation, George Lamming, to show empathy for the place of White people in an independent Barbados: a master stroke. I am begging the Nation to reprint it in its entirety because I think every Bajan should have the opportunity to read it.


  38. Hal: Master John, will you tell me about Barbados
    Master John: Yes Grasshopper. Sit at my feet and learn. Where is my other student
    Hal: Master John, he is away today. Please teach me.
    Master John: Yes Grasshopper


  39. @Peter

    Always make a point to visit his FB Wall, sure to learn something new.


  40. @John

    Should we deduce from your one liner that there isn’t a constructive critique you can offer to the well credentialed Drayton’s piece?


  41. The Bible is a history of the Hebrew people.
    What is now Combermere school was so named in 1819 and was a school in existence since 1695. The Drax colours remain the school’s colours and form part of the national colours of Barbados.
    ‘Fools in plenty we shall meet,Hearts courageous,scorn defeat’.


  42. Should we deduce from your one liner that there isnโ€™t a constructive critique you can offer to the well credentialed Draytonโ€™s piece?

    I have a huge degree of respect for Richard, but a post-colonial interpretation of history is simply another historiography, . one vision. There are more .interpretations. Some hysterical bloggers are .reacting as if it is the only .interpretation of history.
    This is proof, as if proof were needed, of the truth of the allegory of .the cave.

    .


  43. The Holder family of Holders Hill were Quakers.

    Sir Christopher Wren (St. Paul’s Cathedral) was the brother of Susanna, William Holder’s wife, Susanna according to this Holder family member studying the family’s genealogy.

    http://news.rootsweb.com/th/read/HOLDER/1999-09/0937418914

    Many Quakers were doctors and learned people.

    Just that they chose to follow Christ.

    They were mostly literate.

    They were not religious nuts!!

    Most of the Puritans leaving England for New England once it had been established were not paupers nor were they illiterate and unskilled.

    England actually had for a time to stop the migration because it was being impoverished. The ship carrying Cromwell was stopped in the Thames!! King Charles must have rued the day!!

    Don’t look at Barbados, look at America because like Barbados, its origins in the Bible are identical!!

    Barbados was settled as a consequence of America, by the same people because it was located ideally given the Tradewinds.

    Both are completely different from South and Central America.

    I remember doing the Renaissance and Reformation in History, Captain Hutt probably.

    I realized I could never nail down the Reformation but could call a lot of the names you call from the Renaissance.

    It was all about science and art.

    The Reformation is about something much deeper, way to deep for a young teenager to grasp easily.

    Now I realise the Renaissance was very much a Catholic experience, the Reformation was about as anti Catholic as it gets!!

    The Renaissance is recognized to have been 1300-1700, the Reformation is recognised to be 1517-1648.

    If you look at the list of names you will realise they are from two different areas, Catholic and Protestant.

    Spain was and remains Catholic.

    Our historians lump Europeans together without realizing there are two distinct groups each with different thinking.

    Historians will tell you that the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade resulted in the forced migration of about 12 million people from the 15th to the 18th centuries.

    Yet at emancipation, in 1833/4 England freed only 800,000 slaves, a very small fraction.

    Most slaves went to Catholic possessions yet the thinking that resulted in emancipation did not originate there!!

    It is entirely protestant in origin.

    Now back to America.

    Look at the inventions, science and technology coming out of America which was also, a slave nation!!

    The technology and creation of wealth that characterized the North ultimately supplanted the wealth of the south, based on slavery, not technology.

    Did you know that as a result of Cotton and slavery, the South was more prosperous and had more investment than the north?

    Cotton was the crop that was like gold, not sugar.

  44. Bernard Codrington Avatar
    Bernard Codrington

    Gabriel at 4:13 PM

    I agree that the Bible is a history of the Hebrew people. Like all good history large chunks of it may be myth. But it welded them together as a nation ,partially. Is this what we are doing in this Blog sorting the facts? Determining what posterity should read about us? But the Bible never succeeded. There are parts that are contradictions, depending on the authors location in time and space. That will happen as we write and rewrite history. A very interesting but tiring exercise. I should have done like Vincent and take a rest.

    I love the parting sentence above. Is it part of the Combermere School Song?

  45. Bernard Codrington Avatar
    Bernard Codrington

    Hal Austin at 4: 27 PM

    Wow ! It seems as if age brings with it wisdom. Another historiography indeed. Not to worry. We are catching up with the physical sciences. That is what real education is about.


  46. Hmmm, I notice the deafening silence from the defenders of Nelson to Richard Drayton’s very clearly articulated arguments. Is it because he is a Harrison College boy and got all the other folk gobsmacked by his eloquence? Is it because the only two globally recognised historians of Bajan origin agree with each other even though one is Black and the other White?


  47. John December 3, 2017 at 4:40 PM #

    American exceptionalism is a 20th century phenomenon. Most .of their outstanding scientists were Europeans escaping from the Nazis..

  48. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    The very same information I found, nelson was dead in 1805..but his letters were not…they were read in the british parliament…in 1807.

    Even more reason to remove that statue, the nation is not a colony nor is it owned by now dead slave traders amd white supremacists…get rid if it.

    “That is not to say that he was not politically pro-slavery, which in our translation would be that he certainly took white supremacy as a natural order to be defended. And posthumously he did play a part in anti-abolition politics: in 1807, at the climax of the debates in Britain about abolishing the trade, a private letter Nelson had sent to the Jamaican planter magnate Simon Taylor in June 1805 was republished by Cobbett in which Nelson had denounced “the damnable and cursed doctrine of Wilberforce and his hypocritical allies”. “

  49. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    I do not believe any history written by Karl Watson…he embellishes and he lies.

    I do not believe any history written by Henry Fraser…he embellishes and he lies..neither of them shoukd have any books in the nation’s schools.

    I take all history written by local historians with a pinch of salt and do my own research.

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