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What concerned me most during the run up to the election was the planned false reporting by the corporate media and some of the major internet sites. The election was always much closer than they were purposely misreporting, and only folks who had the opportunity to hear or read news from alternative sources that the election would be a dog fight and not a cake walk for Hillary – BU Commenter Bajan in NY

Against the the run of popular opinion Donald Trump was elected the 45th president of the United States of America. What is bodes for the world time will tell. What is reaffirms to the BU household is that the voice of the people is the voice of God.

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463 responses to “Trump Threads the Needle”


  1. “Millions who had no Heath Insurance were able to access this insurance, and benefit for the first time. Yet they wanted to get rid of it”

    Alvin why then did Mrs Clinton husband refer to Obamacare as crazy? Mind you I do not agree with him because there are positives in it but a lot of negatives too which recently attracted the wrath of a Democratic Governor who once supported Obamacare


  2. “There is no doubt that this is a reaction to the election of Barack Obama, the first Black person to occupy the White House, as President.”

    Hogwash- Mr Obama could not have been elected President without the majority of the white vote and in both instances whipped white contenders handsomely.


  3. Who said Trump was interested in the Caribbean ? well for sure he indicated that his purpose was to Take america back and certainly that would include dumping all nations that have signed treaties with americas interest


  4. “Yet, they returned, with increased numbers, the same members of the administration to their offices, they elected a Billionaire as their President; how much more elite can you get, and gave back control of the House and Senate to the same Republicans, who frustrated many of the attempts of Barack Obama to improve their conditions.”

    More Hogwash- do your homework and you would observe that Mr Obama’s legislative agenda has been thwarted as much as by his own members in Congress as from the Republicans but do you believe that Republicans are put in Congress by their constituents to rubber stamp Mr Obama’s policies and on the contrary has at times received support from Republicans as the below suggests

    “Obama, Republicans mount quick, bipartisan rescue on trade agenda
    Republican-controlled House expected to vote June 18 to give Obama enhanced negotiating authority on TPP deal.”


  5. “Simple Simon November 9, 2016 at 2:41 PM #

    But however there is doubt that he will ensure that the justice Department sends “home” those immigrants that have broken United States law.”

    This policy has long been in place under President Clinton-


  6. “Pachamama November 9, 2016 at 2:53 PM #

    The Prophet Mohammad says ‘ when powers come to unfit hands, then wait for the final hour sic.’”

    Who determines whose hands are fit or unfit?


  7. “ac November 9, 2016 at 7:22 PM #

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-tragedy-donald-trump

    We all have our views even the biased and disgruntled


  8. I think journalist Glenn Greenwald sums up what is being played out in today’s US politics quite succinctly:

    Democrats, Trump, and the Ongoing, Dangerous Refusal to Learn the Lesson of Brexit
    by Glenn Greenwald

    The indisputable fact is that prevailing institutions of authority in the West, for decades, have relentlessly and with complete indifference stomped on the economic welfare and social security of hundreds of millions of people. While elite circles gorged themselves on globalism, free trade, Wall Street casino gambling, and endless wars (wars that enriched the perpetrators and sent the poorest and most marginalized to bear all their burdens), they completely ignored the victims of their gluttony, except when those victims piped up a bit too much — when they caused a ruckus — and were then scornfully condemned as troglodytes who were the deserved losers in the glorious, global game of meritocracy.

    That message was heard loud and clear. The institutions and elite factions that have spent years mocking, maligning, and pillaging large portions of the population — all while compiling their own long record of failure and corruption and destruction — are now shocked that their dictates and decrees go unheeded. But human beings are not going to follow and obey the exact people they most blame for their suffering. They’re going to do exactly the opposite: purposely defy them and try to impose punishment in retaliation. Their instruments for retaliation are Brexit and Trump. Those are their agents, dispatched on a mission of destruction: aimed at a system and culture they regard — not without reason — as rife with corruption and, above all else, contempt for them and their welfare.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/


  9. Another author has a similar perspective to Greenwald’s (see above post at 7:44pm) re. the source of widespread discontent that prompted the swing to Trump.

    The Source of our Rage: The Ruling Elite Is Protected from the Consequences of its Dominance
    by Charles Hugh Smith

    There are many sources of rage: injustice, the destruction of truth, powerlessness. But if we had to identify the one key source of non-elite rage that cuts across all age, ethnicity, gender and regional boundaries, it is this: The Ruling Elite is protected from the destructive consequences of its predatory dominance.

    We see this reality across the entire political, social and economic landscape. If I had to pick one chart that illustrates the widening divide between the Ruling Elite and the non-elites, it is this chart of wages as a share of the nation’s output (GDP): 46 years of relentless decline, interrupted by gushing fountains of credit and asset bubbles that enriched the few while leaving the economic landscape of the many in ruins.

    snip

    ELECTION NOTE: As I write this Tuesday evening, it appears Donald Trump may win the presidency. For those who cannot understand how anyone could possibly vote for Trump, please read the above essay again and ponder what people were voting against by voting for Trump.

    They may well have been voting against the corrupt, self-serving status quo rather than voting for the individual Donald Trump.

    There are very few opportunities for powerless non-elites to register their disapproval of the nation’s Ruling Elite and the corrupt status quo. Voting for an outsider in a national election is one such rare opportunity.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/11/source-rage-ruling-elite-protected-consequences-dominance.html#more-63084


  10. AC and Alvin Cummings are nuts.

    Trump is not a Hitler or a hater. He is a victim of media propaganda. The analysis is not yet done, but it looks like Trump won for the following reasons:
    (1) His trade and immigration policies, plus his proposal for more domestic manufacturing was a winner with rural whites in the American Midwest.
    (2) Most Republicans “came home” to their party in the final week of the campaign be a use they could not bring themselves to vote for the only major candidate running against Trump — a lazy, entitled, corrupt political hack.

    Note that Trump’s trade policy is unremarkable because globalization has cost America so many jobs. His immigration policy is unremarkable because America has 20 million illegal immigrants.Too many for a slow-growing economy.

    One other thing: Trump has made generous promises to help African Americans. More promises than Hillary, who was mostly preoccupied with feminism, LGBT rights, and Middle Eastern wars..


  11. What may a Trump presidency mean for future US-Caribbean relations?

    by caribbeantradelaw

    Alicia Nicholls In what for many pollsters and poll watchers was an astounding turn of events reminiscent of the June 23rd Brexit vote decision in the United Kingdom (UK), the American people have chosen the Republican presidential nominee, Mr. Donald J. Trump, to become their 45th president. Mr. Trump, a billionaire real estate developer who […]

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  12. @chad99999

    Note that Trump’s trade policy is unremarkable because globalization has cost America so many jobs. His immigration policy is unremarkable because America has 20 million illegal immigrants.Too many for a slow-growing economy.

    How will Trump deal with cheap labour cost overseas compared to on the domestic?


  13. Hitler was a the classical Dictator, an ex Corporal , who had everyone deathly scared of him, including the top ranking Generals. This ex-corporal ,with a limited knowledge of military tactics, gave his Generals orders to be executed, which they thought were suicidal,but never-the-less, out of fear of the Fuhrer , executed those orders.
    Donald Trump, President and Commander -in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces, has no such power, or authority to unilaterally make similar decisions as Hitler.
    The powers to be in the United States, are designed to ensure that like Sampson, Donald Trump , in this case , remains always crew-cutted.

  14. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    One thing that practically everybody seems to have overlooked.

    The polls!

    The polls on election day, and a day or so before, projected fairly close races in the battleground states with Hillary being marginally ahead in all of them.

    However, strangely enough, practically all the battleground states fell to Trump.

    This appears to have been an unprecedented outturn. In such a situation the statistical expectation is that there would be a reasonable distribution of the states to each of the two combatants but last night Trump turned statistics on its head to win all or practically all of them.

    There are 2 reasonable explanations for such results if the polling yesterday by reputable and experienced pollsters was comparable in accuracy and professionalism to the polling they would have done earlier in the campaign and historically in other campaigns. These are:-

    1) Divine providence or;
    2) Divine Providence helped by ultramodern cybertechnology.

    Practically all the reputable pollsters have expressed some measure of shock that practically all their polls in the battleground states were so wrong.

    Might it be possible that the polls were indeed accurate and showed how the results should have been without some intervention by agencies unknown?

    Is it possible that technology could have been used to change the reporting on a small percentage of the votes towards Trump after the votes were cast?

    Does such technology actually exist?

    Does the Russians have the technology to effect such results?

    Have the Russians ever used such technology in cyberattacks on polling in neighboring European countries?

    Does Government agencies in the US have such technologies?

    Is there a Government agency in the US that has been touted as being biased against Clinton that might have had access to such technologies?

    Just a few politically incorrect questions?


  15. David

    Trump has said he will lobby manufacturers with foreign factories to bring those operations home. This is a variant of the “jawboning” strategy used successfully by Kennedy to force US Steel to reduce its prices.

    Trump also says he will provide tax incentives to companies who play ball, and he has threatened tariffs if necessary.


  16. Are we there
    the underdog pretends to be weaker than it really is

    https://youtu.be/IuMl31VCgwQ


  17. @ charles skeete

    You may determine whose hands are fit for power.

    Is that not what you do when you vote, or buy something or not

    And your determination will be as God’s.

    =======================

    Separately

    And unlike Hal Austin we have no particular hatred towards Muslims or their religion or their peoples, generally.

    We however understand the cheap, British, dirty look, people like Austin have learnt from their White masters towards Muslims. And we reject it.

    We do not carry that yoke, for no people.

  18. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @are-we-there-yet November 9, 2016 at 9:53 PM ….very wonderful questions and if the answer re the Russians’ use of such tech in the US was returned in the affirmative then we would have the genesis of a war. I like the developing thriller.

    But can there not be a very simple response to all this supposed angst by pollsters: data were perfectly accurate, the interpretations were wrong!

    The average of the various polls all were within the polling margin of error as you noted regardless of trending Clinton. A sensible and practical analysis of that data point based on the facts that-

    -** Trump reduced his poll difference in Michigan from 11 points or some such figure to low single digits in less that seven days.

    -** Trump polls numbers were trending closer to Clinton BEFORE the Comey faux pas.

    -** Trump always had a core support group many of whom had not voted previously and he had excited many in the ‘burgs and rural areas who had sat out previous elections…

    All that suggested that being as close as he was that he was going to WIN.

    In my view there was no deficiency in the polls data. The problem was with those who looked at the data and extrapolated to match their standard political ‘game theory’. Silver at fivethirtyeight tried to extrapolate with weighted factors but even he was unable to cover the non-scientific Trump conundrum effectively.

    There was nothing about this Trump campaign that was standard.

    That said there was one pundit who used his own 13 point analysis and NOT polls who called Trump as a winner since September!

    Trump himself was the shocker of this election; the polls were not.


  19. Trump’s promise to bring back manufacturing jobs is just empty rhetoric, the USA is a capitalist society and the jobs left because Corporations could get the job done cheaper in other countries, even Donald has outsourced much of his manufacturing, as usual the bottom line rules the day.


  20. Leading up to the vote Trump claimed that the system was rigged, it wasn’t the system it was the Constitution rigged in his favour as Clinton won the plurality of the votes but not the Electoral College

  21. are-we-there-yet Avatar

    DPD

    Well reasone,d but I think we will never know for sure.

    My sister called it for Trump since early this year. All the professional pollsters were wrong and had to invoke “within the standard statistical error” to explain the results. They also gave the typical explanation of why it is possible for a coin to land on heads 1000 times in 1000 throws to explain why all the battleground states went to Trump.

    But, as we speak, in at least 12 cities across the USA, people have spontaneously and peacefully taken to the streets in protest against the Trump victory. Sounds a bit like Brexit.

    Interesting times!


  22. This could be the start of violent unrest in the USA.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-idUSKBN1343CO


  23. Trump implied that his supporters would take the law into their own hands if he lost, it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that supporters of the other side may be so inclined.


  24. “Sargeant November 10, 2016 at 1:00 AM #

    Trump implied that his supporters would take the law into their own hands if he lost, it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that supporters of the other side may be so inclined.”


    Sarge my deepest condolence but hats off to the silly American voters who are at least trying to remove the shackles of the old established order manifested in the likes of the Clintons and the Bushes and the Ryans etc etc etc. Sorry it had to be led by a neophyte like Mr Trump but it had to begin somewhere and he with his ill-gotten gains was suitably placed. All hail President Trump.


  25. Just for clarification, I do not dislike Muslims or member of any other religious or ethnic group. It is a cheap shot to suggest this, but seeing where it is coming from I am not surprised. The inarticulate always resort to personal abuse – especially while hiding behind a veil of anonymity..


  26. 46.7% of the electorate did not vote. The vote for Democrats and Republican was split 50:50. Democracy in full bloom.


  27. Well the election is over the people have given Trump a mandate to bring back america in other words remove what positive gains made by Obama and replaced them with Trump promises he made during the campagain. Promises that are self serving and isolate and elimates others from being included at the table of relevancy. If Trump goes ahead and is able to deliver on his promises not only would americans be taken down a road far removed from reality but a world which have been globalised would find itself in deep an unchartered waters fighting for survival and trying to connect to a future one stymied with deep division and a fear of relutance and deepening sense of distrust

  28. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/11/10/businesses-nervous-about-trump/

    This one Abed thinks that is all he has to fear from a Trump presidency, butbthey will all find out in due course.

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/11/10/backward-step-2/

    This is what should be goung through the minds of those who think Trump has something to offer the Caribbean people or gives 2 hoots about them.

  29. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/11/10/forget-trump/

    Bajans need to switch their focus to getting rid of the parasites in and out of parliament who continue to stagnate the progress of the majority and the island…that should be the focus.

    http://ow.ly/lIIm3062gjf

    The leaders of the islands and the people are way out of their depth in this one playing out.in thd US…….just make absolutely sure that your leaders do not attempt to sell your asses to Trump, not that he is interested, but your leaders have bad track records.


  30. Let us hope Caribbean leaders and people approach the relationship Trump with an open mind and he ignores the brayers who would locate their expectation in disappointments past.


  31. Are we there yet:

    You seem to be just another ASSologist spewing a load of stupidity. If Hilary had won and that agument was made Trump and his supporters would have been laughed at. Livw with it; it is now President Trump!!


  32. Good point David!!!!


  33. @ Hants
    This could be the start of violent unrest in the USA.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Boss, it is all downhill from here. First it was 9/11, …now it is 11/9…
    ….and you KNOW that Bushie’s information does not come from polls…. 🙂

    You need to know, however, that it would have been no different had Hillary won. It was a clear case of heads they lose, tails their loss. This time around, America was guaranteed the president that they deserved.

    The anomaly that should be researched has been the Obamas.


  34. Trumps track record so far.

    New Documentary Alleges Trump Made Life in Scottish Town ‘Hell’
    people.com/…/filmmaker-defying-threats-to-air-documentary-alleging-donald-trump-…
    Nov 2, 2016 – With just a week before the election, British documentary filmmaker Anthony Baxter thinks it is important for Americans to see the Donald Trump …

  35. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    They actually hate Trump is Scotland, birth place of one of his grandparents, he screwed the people, as usual.


  36. “The anomaly that should be researched has been the Obamas.”
    Disappointment he was for abandoning his movement for change which catapulted him to the high office against the wishes of the establishment and which was capitalised on by Mr Sanders until pressure was brought to bear and by Mr Trump who refused to be corralled by the Republican establishment when he sensed their was a prize for the taking if anti- establishment rhetoric was preached.

  37. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/eAyN3062jNS

    Yep…that’s the animal Americans chose as president, that’s the animal they deserve…no sympathy from me whatever…..

    ……….and if Trump would do that to poor whites, Scotland is a poor country, just imagine what he is going to do to blacks and others in the US and other countries.

  38. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/gFOS3062kFz

    The system of electing a president created by dead men over 200 years ago, is deeply flawed, despite Clinton getting more votes….59 millio votes…. the popular votes to Trumps 55 million votes, his win of the electoral college, which he claimed was rigged, won him the election….he is not saying it is rigged anymore though.

    That is what happens when governments refuse to change archaic, antiquated systems….time shows them what can happen.


  39. Trump threads the needle, 138 comments and counting.

    Auditor general special audit of NHC the Grotto and Valerie, 72 comments

    what the problems in Barbados are again ? we forget

  40. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Oops, typo…

    “Some states were still counting votes, but as of Wednesday afternoon, Clinton had received 59.79 million votes compared to Trump’s 59.5 million, according to The Associated Press.”


  41. The world is not built around a consensus on political opportunism ,hence spouting and spewing political rhetoric to feed the masses where exploding buzz words take top center .
    What DT would quickly come to realize that the challenges of a global world is the root of all that is of importance for seeking resolution and his promises to deliver to his supporters would be met with heavy resistance by other world powers who sit at the bargaining table looking out for what is in the best interest and rightfully so for their people and their country. Therefore disappointed his followers would be as the world of isolation has long gone replaced with a new and stronger world of participation inclusiveness and acceptance guided and dictated by a New World Order

  42. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Watchman…bajans have 2 problems

    To get rid of the present parasites in parliament read Fruendel & Co, who keep secrets from them, do everything behind their backs, sell them out, give away their money and contracts to minorities and do not do anthing to create progress for the people and island, the bribetaking, kickbacks and finder’s fees the minister accept to stagnate their own people’s prigress….and which has already been exposed.

    Watch carefully the parasites in waiting to enter parliament as the next government, read Mia & Co that they dont continue the same trend that they too have done in the past of keeping secrets from bajans who elected them, do everything behind their backs, sell them out to a minority 5%, give away their money and contracts to the 5% minorities and do not do anything to create progress for the majority people on the island, the bribetaking, kickbacks and finder’s fees they will accept to stagnate their own people’s progress….to be exposed.

    There is nothing complex about a small island and it’s problems.


  43. @ charles skeete
    Disappointment he was for abandoning his movement for change which catapulted him to the high office against the wishes of the establishment…
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Boss…
    It is almost impossible to understand the nuances of world politics unless you are able to place it within the context of current spiritual REALITY.

    …Don’t you wonder why practically 100% of the very best global experts are always wrong?

    …Don’t you wonder why, with the absolute best resources, technology, research, intelligence and financial clout, EVERY SHIITE is getting worse….?

    ‘The Obamas’ was a freak occurrence that resulted from a number of factors – mainly the all-pervasive racism that drives the USA (the world); the chaos that had been wrought by George Bush; and the feeling at the time of impending doom in the USA.
    Barrack was elected to be the national fall guy.

    He turned out to be the worse nightmare of the racist white populace.
    Smooth, intelligent to a fault, patient, strong-willed, assertive without aggression, funny, witty, charming, and (considering the strident opposition in the house and senate) effective. Things actually TURNED AROUND. It is why ‘ObamaCare’ pisses them off so much…

    For you to even expect that he could POSSIBLY have achieved the ideals which he had espoused in his campaign says that you completely mis-understand the basis of his election.
    Much as you would like, you CAN’T make honey with shit.

    Obama’s actual (spiritual) role in the grand scheme of things, has solely been to delay the inevitable by eight years…. while establishing a characterisation of the Black man and woman that COMPLETELY dispels the perception of almost all misinformed Whites …and of the even greater number of misguided and lost Blacks, who have NO idea of their value, worth or our ROYAL predisposition.

    It is Hillary’s association with, and endorsement by, the Obamas – that has been her actual downfall …in the view of the racist majority.
    Take a close look at Barrack and Michelle’s final endorsement speeches and you will se why Hillary lost the election….

    The people voted…”Give us Barabbas….”

  44. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Knowing this law firm personally which happens to be one of the top legal firms worldwide, if they say there is a conflict of interest problem….there is. I fir one can see how they will work him…those countries he so believes he is smarter than.

    “Attorney Kenneth Gross, a political law and ethics expert at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom who has advised several presidential candidates and politicians on campaign law compliance, said, “There are a number of shades of gray here.”

    He suggested Trump disclose his foreign business interests and get free of them. “I would be looking first at his assets that are held in foreign countries that we don’t have the greatest relations with,” Gross said.

    “When it comes to countries like Azerbaijan, Russia or Turkey, these are situations that even if there isn’t a conflict of interest directly, many times his business dealings are hooked into the government there,” he said.

    “It seems to me he could be accused of acting in a way of favoring a business investment in a country even when his actual motivation had nothing to do with that……

    Potential conflicts of interest can be found closer to home.

    A New York Times report this year that looked into Trump’s myriad financial dealings showed one of the lenders to a Sixth Ave. office tower in which Trump has a 30% stake is the Bank of China — a commercial bank owned by a government he vilified during his campaign.”

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