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Does BU have to remind some of you many are following this blog for information and instead must rummage through so many rubbish comments?
99 Per Cent Of Sweden’s Garbage Is Now Recycled
There’s a “recycling revolution” happening in Sweden – one that has pushed the country closer to zero waste than ever before. In fact, less than one per cent of Sweden’s household garbage ends up in landfills today.
“When waste sits in landfills, leaking methane gas and other greenhouse gasses, it is obviously not good for the environment,” Gripwell said of traditional dump sites. So Sweden focused on developing alternatives to reduce the amount of toxins seeping into the ground.
At the core of Sweden’s program is its waste-management hierarchy designed to curb environmental harm: prevention (reduce), reuse, recycling, recycling alternatives (energy recovery via WTE plants), and lastly, disposal (landfill).
Recycling and incineration have evolved into efficient garbage-management processes to help the Scandinavian country dramatically cut down the amount of household waste that ends up in landfills. Their efforts are also helping to lower its dependency on fossil fuels.
“A good number to remember is that three tons of waste contains as much energy as one ton of fuel oil … so there is a lot of energy in waste,” said Göran Skoglund, spokesperson for Öresundskraft, one of the country’s leading energy companies.
a home made from recyclable materials
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/299551/slide_299551_2497846_free.jpg
AC, the net is an awesome ting as it can be all things to all people. Because of easy access to data available from the net lazy people can become almost paralytic just as bright people can become brilliant .
Did you even read the link you posted? What does it say about Plasma technology that Holder, Rasta R and other knowledgeable but strident critics have not already acknowledged about the technology.
Here is where your paralytic mental laziness dulls up the blog.
Th author said [my emphasis in caps]: “Utilizing this technology to convert municipal solid waste (MSW) to energy is STILL YOUNG”
“A municipality …should seek a positive cash flow year-after-year via revenues from tipping fees, recyclables and electricity sales, as well as sales of slag and sulphur. There is considerable range in the values for each of these variables, and any proposed development would REQUIRE EXTENSIVE DUE DILIGENCE to determine local prices for each line item. Tipping fees, electricity rates, commodity recyclables, as well as interest rates and taxes, all vary dramatically CREATING A MODEL WHICH NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY EVALUATED FOR ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
Can you please clarify which part of the referenced details from your link, which you have emailed to all your friends, is not EXACTLY what Holder at Future Center and many others have been saying here since day 1:
1) An Unproven technology for our small island; 2) The need for careful and extensive due diligence even well before we get to cost details; 3) The project needs to be thoroughly evaluated again.
Your effort is clearly the actions of a lazy party hack who can’t discern when to shut up and let matters play out.
No one dismisses the need for WTE/Waste Management but as your linked author said we seek to BE THOROUGHLY EVALUATED FOR ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT; your party has NOT done that.
Can you please ensure that they all ready your link also. Thanks
David you sound very frustrated! just remember the race is not for the swift but to those who endure to the end
OK i am dullard well i belong to a class of dullards who do not agree with your cockeyed logic all of which are scientist and professionals knowledgeable in waste and energy management, the article also discounts and dissolves one of the environmentalist arguments about landfills which they claim can be used as a reliable source for recycling/ and which the article specifically points out the dangers and the impact landfills have on the environment,
AC, when did Holder or any of the key protagonist ever suggest that landfills are not a problem? Good lawd fella can’t you get serious at least on one post.
Holder and his Future Center Trust have spelled out the need for recycle and Zero Waste Process behaviour. Do you not understand that is an entire effort to reduce landfill space.
This is not an either or argument. Some form of WTE facility or renewable energy source is needed but nothing can be constructed in the dead of night by four self appointed builders led by a clueless business opportunist.
There is too much of an impact on lives of every Bajan and we need every detail checked, cross checked and rechecked before any thing is final.
Your continued posting and recap of details already discussed suggests not that you are a dullard but rather than you are deceptive with an aversion to truth and reason.
In another time and place you would be prosecuted as a traitor to your country. Almost as if you are consorting with an enemy to destroy us you are willing to callously put the nation on a path of possible financial and environmental ruin with nothing more than ‘Trust Us’!
Enough of your demeaning, self-interested persona.
Is it me or are you guys noticing how dirty Barbados with litter these day? Passed Three Houses and KG5th parks today and was astounded at the little on over the place. Cajans have become pigs.
de Ingrunt Word August 3, 2015 at 10:50 PM #
“AC, when did Holder or any of the key protagonists ever suggest that landfills are not a problem? Good lawd fella can’t you get serious at least on one post.”
De Word, surely by now you must realize that the ACs main objective is to defend DLP policies.
They interpret the GENUINE CONCERNS of Barbadians as being opposed to the government. Hence, their use of terms such as “politically motivated,” “unpatriotic” and “BLP misfits.”
The DLP supporters assigned to BU seem not to be able to accept that Barbadians are no longer allowing the government force policies down their throats. I’m sure this stance won’t change if the BLP assumes the government in the near future.
Why must we always seek to create an environment where issues affecting Barbados are automatically transformed into a DLP versus BLP scenario?
If BU recalls, references were made to the proposed WTE plant to be built in Arecibo, Puerto Rico. That project was first introduced to the island in 2006, by Energy Answers International, trading as Energy Answers Arecibo.
Bear in mind that Puerto Rico is an island with an area of 3,515 square miles, and Puerto Ricans generate between 11,000 and 12,000 tons of waste, or about five pounds per person, per day.
The project had to undergo a number of environmental studies, as well as satisfy the environmental and regulatory requirements of PR and the U.S EPA, before the necessary permits and subsequent permission to commence construction of the plant were granted.
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In May 2007, Columbia University’s School of International land Public Affairs, prepared a working paper for the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Area 2, entitled “Waste to energy: A possibility for Puerto Rico.” The paper covered a number of topics, including public concerns and opposition to WTE plants; economics of siting a WTE plant and creating a public education campaign. If you are interested. you can read the paper by accessing the following link.
http://mpaenvironment.ei.columbia.edu/files/2014/06/PuertoRicoWastetoEnergyfinal.pdf
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In August 2012, the public comment period for the EPA’s proposed approval of an air permit to construct the WTE plant was extended. The agency said it was holding a series of public hearings where it would listen to public comments on the EAI WTE facility.
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On June 11, 2013, the US EPA gave its final approval for an air permit for a planned waste-to-energy plant in Arecibo, Puerto Rico.
According to an EAI press release dated June 11, 2013, “the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Region 2 issued the first Prevention of Significant Deterioration (PSD) Permit for a Resource Recovery / Waste-to-Energy Project in the U.S. Island territory of Puerto Rico.”
The permit was first proposed in May 2012, followed by a series of six public hearings in Arecibo.
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On Thursday, October 30, 2014, the Environmental Quality Board (EQB) of Puerto Rico granted the Air Quality Location and Construction Final Permit needed to move forward with the project, after almost two years of consideration.
Energy Answers vice-president and project manager, Mark J. Green, said the “EQB permit comes after a RIGOROUS AND THOROUGH SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS, which included EXTENSIVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION and EVALUATION BY THE AGENCY’S TECHNICAL STAFF and PERSONAL INSPECTION of other similar facilities in the United States.”
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The Louis Berber Group Inc. is “a diverse group of engineers, architects, planners, scientist and economist that specializes in improving the world’s physical, economic and social infrastructure.”
In April 2015, Louis Berger prepared an Arecibo Waste to Energy Project Summary Scoping Report for the United States Department of Agriculture, entitled “Arecibo Waste to Energy and Resource Recovery Project: Environmental Impact Statement”
http://www.rd.usda.gov/files/UWP_ScopingReport_English.pdf
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What a great pity we have sunk to the depths of the landfill
This is not about personal squabbles !!
We need to get back on topic
The situation in Barbados differs significantly from that of Puerto Rico. The Puerto Rican authorities did not get up one morning and forced the WTE technology down the throats of its citizens.
As you may have observed from my previous post, Energy Answers Arecibo had to undergo a number of environmental and regulatory challenges before the necessary permits and permission to commence construction of the WTE facility were granted.
Energy Answers International is a reputable New York, USA based company with over 25 years experience managing municipal solid waste.
http://www.energyanswers.com/pdf/Pioneer%20Valley%20RRF%20brochure.2008.pdf
http://www.energyanswers.com/pdf/Pittsfield%20RRF%20Brochure.2008.pdf
There seems to be a cloud of mystery surrounding Claire Cowan and CAHILL. Is there information relative to how many WTE facilities were either constructed or managed by CAHILL?
However, after her performance at the recent town hall meeting, I’m sure many of us will agree that Barbadians are justified in expressing their concerns about Ms Cowan and the project.
I’m not aware that the Barbados government has commissioned the UWI, any regional or international university, or international companies such as Louis Berger, to prepare working papers or environmental impact studies into the CAHILL project, similarly as was done in Puerto Rico.
So far, there have not been any public awareness programs, public hearings or “rigorous and thorough scientific analysis, which included extensive public participation.”
All we have is a few DLP yard-fowls, posting to BU, information relative to WTEs, which were regurgitated from various web-sites, in a biased attempt to prove the DLP is correct in trying to force the CAHILL WTE facility down our throats, and without taking into consideration the amount of studies that were undertaken before those facilities were eventually constructed.
With issues such as WTE facilities, it is always good to read as much information and alternative perspectives as is possible. For example, in September 2011, Eco.Cycle published a paper entitled “Waste-of-Energy: Why Incineration is Bad for our Economy, Environment and Community.”
I found it interesting that the paper revealed no new plants were built in the US since 1995. The following link gives access to the paper.
http://www.ecocycle.org/files/pdfs/WTE_wrong_for_environment_economy_community_by_Eco-Cycle.pdf
“In the framework of a LIFE – Environment project, a pilot plasma gasification / vitrification
system was designed, constructed and installed in Greece in order to examine the
efficiency of this innovative technology in treating industrial waste. The pilot plant, which
was designed to treat up to 50 kg waste per hour, has two main sections: (i) the furnace
and its related equipment and (ii) the off-gas treatment system, including the secondary
combustion chamber quench and scrubber.
In this work, detailed data concerning the construction and operation of the plasma unit is
presented. Waste is fed to the electric arc furnace from a feed hopper, through a rotary
air lock. In the furnace, the inorganic portion of the waste melts and is tapped periodically
in a slag mold, to produce solid slag blocks, or in water, to produce slag granules. The
organic portion of waste is converted to synthesis gas, by the addition of metered
amounts of air and steam. This synthesis gas is then fed to the secondary combustion
chamber, where it is combusted with air to form carbon dioxide and water.
The temperature in the SCC is maintained at 1100°C using propane burners. The combustion
gases leaving the SCC are cooled down rapidly in the quench vessel by atomized water.
The combustion gases are passed through a packed bed scrubber where the acid
components of gas (such as HCl and SO2) are neutralized by a caustic soda solution.
Part of the water being re-circulated in the scrubber is sent to drain after filtration through
a bag filter. The gases through the whole system are pulled through an induced draft
blower, which maintains all equipment under a negative pressure.
Key words: plasma technology, gasification / vitrification process, waste management,
hazardous waste, synthesis gas, slag. “
@Ac, can you or any anyone verify what was posted by Kenneth David Hallsworth on Facebook as I am hearing different figures also for the white lime ” Water will also be needed to clean the syn gas. Perhaps there’s a chemist in the group who can help me with this but I understand 9.4 tones of caustic soda per day , dissolved in fresh water, will be used to absorb chlorine from the gas , producing sodium hypochlorite solution ( = bleach ). What else will also be in this effluent ? Is it safe? Where will it go?”
The use of a wet electrostatic percipitator or WESP will be required at the exit of the gasifier
This will essentially take our most of the heavy metals and toxins out of the syngas
The residue will be recycled as much as is practical but there will be in the region of 2000 tons of realy nasty sludge which the CEO of Cahill says Canada will accept
Not sure if she realises all this has to be done under permit by a specialty contractor the issue of onisland storage of this toxic mix has to addressed in the EIA and storage of such a toxic mix is governed by extreemly strict rules and regs
The Cahill engineer indicated at the Open House the plant as proposed will be able to deal with plastics and mentals if not sorted from the waste but ideally should be.
on the topic of land fills does any one know how much it cost govt and taxpayers to fund and maintain landfills .
The limitation to what the gasifer can handle will be the diameter of the inlet nozzle of the gasifer
There will have to be presorting and crushing pre the gasifer most certainly .
It the gasifer get blocked with a lump of concrete for example the system will shut down
Coke and flus will also be added to the gasifer through separate nozzles .
Who in Barbados is responsible for QA?
On 4 August 2015 at 10:34, Barbados Underground wrote:
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At a minimum a trommel screen will have to be used to screen the feedstock to ensure oversized chunks don’t block the inlet nozzle on the gasifer
What is scary is that when we had the tyre burn at B’s a couple years ago there was panic and it took very long for the environment/health department to address the public’s concerns. In many places where plasma gasififers have been built these are developed countries with better equipped monitoring systems etc. This is our fear.
The negative aspects of the Plasma gasification process have been thoroughly ventilated on BU and suggest that there can be no overarching justification for Barbados adopting this technology now. However by entering an agreement with Cahill to build and run such a plant here the Government is saying implicitly that such an overarching justification exists.
The ac’s of this world attempted and continues to put a most paipsy justification to the BU family, i.e. that the value of the project to barbados, with all its numerous warts, is that it can significantly reduce landfill size and therefore costs in Barbados.
That justification is not an overarching one. Perhaps another one could be that one or more of the Cabinet Ministers who signed the project did so because of unpublicized reasons that transcended all the negatives that we have seen so far listed on BU.
Can someone out there (not the acs, they’ve tried valiantly without success) give us some idea of any overarching reason or reasons (technical, economic or political) that would tip the scales towards this project and would have caused the 4 Government signatories to apparently suspend judgement and sign on to this project without doing due diligence on the company or going through any of the safeguard measures that are absolutely mandatory for huge projects of this nature?
Indeed, could the Government itself bring the public into its confidence and defend itself and Barbados from the impression that anyone who looks carefully at this project must inexorably come to, i.e. that Barbados is now a certified Banana republic engaged in the normal activities of such states?
@ David
What fear what??!! ….OF WHAT?
As Bushie indicated from the beginning, NO DAMN GASIFIER is going to be built. Shiite man…those #$%@$% can’t even build four seasons! …gasifier shiite!!!
The plan is to rob the treasury…. FULL STOP
By the time that the the REAL crooks leave office, they had planned to have secreted millions in some overseas location (Guernsey? ..Canada too risky) and we would have been so skinned-out that CLICO would look like a beach party in comparison.
Even though the scam has been unearthed, the crooks are still looking to make a profit and if we INSIST on making the abandonment of the project our GOAL ,then we are shooting ourselves in the foot, …cause they will simply invoke some shiite clause in the fake contract and ‘end the project’ with a legal payment of X million dollars… laughing all the way to Guernsey….
PEOPLE WANT LOCKING UP!!!
ANY GOVERNMENT MONEY USED MUST BE PAID BACK!!!
What build what plant what?!?!?
Bushtea;
I see that you have (with record speed) preemptively answered the question in my 7:16 am post above (LOL)
@ Bush Tea August 4, 2015 at 7:17 AM #
Couldn’t have said it better.
Cahill is a financial and commercial creation of its political owners. Bushie is absolutely correct, when all is said and done millions maybe even tens of millions will be paid to Cahill/Cahill’s consultants either as fees or as compensation for termination. This should plainly obvious to anyone who follows these scams in Barbados.
Remember between the Pierhead Marina and New Cruise Pier, the Treasury/BTI/BPI has paid out Bds$40+ Million to the developers ‘consultants’.
Four Seasons, Pierhead Marina, New Cruise Pier, Sam Lord’s Castle? If we could find out how much money the GOB has been paid ‘out’ on these PHANTOM projects the Bajan people would be shocked and outraged and rightly so.
The overarching question are the benefits derived from the WTE in area of cost to the govt and taxpayer compare to what it is costing for the upkeep of a landfill .Only recently the taxpayers put up a stink when govt posed fees for waste management .so where do we go from here when in about the next ten or so years landfills would become obsolete as EPA continue to address the environmental hazards of landfill and govts are forced to use alternative methods one of which will be WTE
As usual some would continue to kick the proverbial political can up and down the street until Waste management standards and guidlnes are changed which affect landfills and usual cries would be heard for govt to do something
Well folks that something should happen sooner rather than later govt knows (it) and has put country on a sustainable path for energy and waste management
@ AC
The number one priority in waste management for Barbados would be to get rid of complete idiots like you. Unfortunately, when the CLICO and CAHILL fraudsters are finally land-filled at Dodds and put to compost, YOU may not be among the heap because as yet, there is no law against being a retarded jackass….. so you may be safe…
However people, even as stupid as you are, have been known to come around ..and to do the right thing in the end…..so perhaps you may yet check yourself into Jenkins where you will fit in to a ‘T”….
bb…
Why does the ‘gasifier’ remind me so much of the gas chambers that were used to murder six million Jewish people?
Aside from the obvious ‘issues’ surrounding the monies etc, the idea of the ‘Gasifier’ makes me uncomfortable.
Will it be used to murder 300 thousand bajans?
Bush shit alias deputy dawg every issue for uh is about Clico from pit toilets to stand pipes the same ole dog shit topped off with slander.
Deputy dawg people like you with a know it all mentality usually learn after the horse kick the barn door down.As day rans into night the time is fast approaching when that pit toilet of a land fill would be deemed an enviromental hazard.. and then and only then would your dead a.as understand the necessary actions for change .hopefully by then your ass might not have to foot the cost of the very project u opposed
Rome is Burning (Cahill Energy Barbados) and it’s CEO is off to the US on Vacation. How appropriate is that. Maybe she’s applying for Refugee Status.
Hants
Thanks for link.
Now everything is transparent
Not sure how this gets us transparency???
It’s a scoping document of possibilities???
Tendering and awarding each segment of the program still needed to go through the correct tendering process
DD;
What everything is transparent what?
A website like that should have been up at least a year ago.
Proper focused Townhall meetings should have been held at least about 1 year ago.
The WTE facility should either have been removed from the plans or its implementation postponed for at least 2 years while copious environmental and other studies are done re. its suitability for Barbados, including due diligence.
Sounds like a case of putting the cart well before the horse to me and now announcing that the cart is of a winning design while ignoring that the horse has already bolted..
The website looks professionally done though. Wonder how much of our scarce foreign exchange it costs and if Cahill footed the bill?
Mocking and awty
Sorry – that was meant to be sarcastic.
And the website. Must have been by Toronto PR firm Navigator Ltd – website:
http://www.navltd.com/index.php#Strategic-communications
Which says:
When you want to shape the story or change the point of view.
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” there’s always a way forward”
That’s an easy one M’s Cowan
Tell the truth come clean and return the contract to the government . pay the people you owe money to
And fade into oblivion
Leave the island of Barbados to sort its own waste elimination strategy
And find another “mark” to ply your trade on .
For details of the http://www.barbadosgec.com website go to:
Curious that name of the registrant is not disclosed but is WHOISGUARDPROTECTED by WHOISGUARD.INC of PANAMA.
The beneficial owner of the domain name has gone to great lengths to keep its name confidential.
Note also, the domain name was created 2013-01-21 and updated 2015-7-30.
Transparency? What Transparency?
Can anybody get the Low Down?
I think this green complex is a Burnside document
They did the EIA for the whole site
My money is on the government commissioning them for a master plan for the site
@DD,
all I did was a google search for “wte Barbados” and the site was the fifth listed site.
Was there a news conference by Min Lowe on this?
Was there some type of press release from BGIS?
Wouldn’t such lovely plans be a jewel in the eye of beleaguered gov’t who would want to announce this with some fanfare, at least?
Is this on the B’dos Gov’t websites? I saw nothing in Nation or Barbados Today this morn.
AWTY, ditto all that you said re a big splash one year or more ago to announce these exciting and forward thinking plans. Also, apart from your Open Houses which we presume are to be done soon where is the Cabinet Papers on this that would have helped the Min of Agriculture with his research? (rhetorical)
The more this progresses the more disappointed and truly dispirited it makes me feel of the the absolute lost of character and integrity by our leaders. This is even more evidence that this entire Plasma project is being foisted upon us by actors who are guided by self interest and deception.
Mr Lenny St. Hill would have a heart attack to see such and not one word muttered in Parliament re all the rules and reg he noted in the last Open House.
This is perhaps the most expansive and far reaching physical development initiative for Barbados in my frigging lifetime and I see it via a non- Barbados government website!
You gotta be mekking real sport!
Hants, curiouser and curiouser…..
Is this how the government defined ‘consultative process’?
Will there be a public consultation process?
There will be a public consultation process for the Barbados Green Energy Complex, where the public will be presented with graphics and information about the systems and how it might look once the technologies are installed. For further information on timeline and details please contact the Sanitation Service Authority and indicate you wish to learn more about the public consultation for the Barbados Green Energy Complex.
Didn’t Peter Williams indicate at a recent BCCI meeting he was not aware of any engagement between Cahill and BL&P.
How is Barbados Light & Power Company involved?
The Barbados Green Energy Complex systems, (the Solar Farm, Wind Farm, Landfill Gas to Energy and Waste to Energy) will supply power to the electrical grid. The Barbados Light and Power Company Ltd will purchase the power generated through a Power Purchase Agreement. The Power Purchase Agreement will state how much BL&P will pay for the power, and include other required details regarding market conditions and timelines for the Agreement.
Can the 300M quoted on the website be clarified?
The Barbados Green Energy Complex will reduce the environmental impact of energy generation by focusing on clean sources for power. This will make a positive difference in communities over the long term as well as helping to mitigate the cost of rising oil prices. The cost to construct all components of the Green Energy Complex (The Solar Farm, The Wind Farm, The Landfill Gas to Energy Facility & The Waste to Energy Facility) will be approximately $300 M.
David;
One logical answer to your query at 7:41 pm is that there might be at least two wte plants planned, one of which is the Cahill plasma gasification plant that is not included in the Barbados Green Energy Complex (Its cost is roughly the same as the total cost of the Barbados GEC projects) and the other being a smaller and cheaper one which is included in the GEC. This reminds me of the poster child of gross miscommunications in an earlier Barbados i.e. The running of 2 circuses at one time almost next door to each other.
Another answer may be that there is a total lack of coordination between the various Energy initiatives that we have been hearing about, all as done deals, but where the principal agencies do not appear to be communicating with each other.
Thus one could ask:
Is the biomass energy component of the Ministry of Agriculture CHIRP project included in the Barbados Green Energy Complex ( I think that BL&P were consulted on that one but I might be wrong) or is it a separate project?
Is the Ridley biomass project actually the same as the above biomass project?
Is the unveiling of the Barbados Green Energy Complex web site a message to Clare Cowan that the Government will not proceed with her wte Plasma incineration project?
Where do all the various energy generating projects fit into the overall Energy policy of the Government?
Which WtE plant or plants is/are BJerkhamm /Jada building?
Oops!
I miscalculated above.
If the total Cost of construction of the Barbados GEC complex is $300 million US. That total cost which includes a WTE plant along with a number of other facilities would be about $100 million Barbados less than the cost of the Cahill Plasma gasification facility alone not “roughly the same” as I said above. Thus the Cahill facility cannot be a part of the GEC complex.
The rest of my post above stands.
The Cahill facility is slated to be sited at Vaucluse also. Seems like the plans are to run all the people and businesses downwind from this facility away from St Thomas (lol)
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