Did Someone Get Away With Killing Luke Bjerkhamn And Wounding His Father?

Submitted by Caswell Franklyn
Funeral luke Bjerkham

Flashback to the burial of Luke Bjerkham

I have heard a lot of comments about the Director of Public Prosecutions giving Bjerkhamn a slap on the wrist for killing his son. Some have even called the DPP’s integrity into question. While I understand the sense of outrage that is being demonstrated throughout the country, I am not one of those that would jump on the bandwagon without a clear understanding of what transpired.

Persons who have been critical of the DPP’s actions in this case clearly do not know or do not understand the procedure in Barbados. It would appear that their understanding of the law is being influenced by American television programmes. The first problem for the DPP is that his office does not have an investigative arm. He has to rely on the Police to investigate cases and then they would forward their findings to him so that he can decide whether or not to file a charge. The public does not know what is in the police report, so the DPP could very well be taking some undeserved abuse for a situation over which he had no control. Before I can come down on either side, I would have to be privy to the police report.

This case clearly demonstrates that the evidence in matters like this should be made available to the public after the conclusion of the case, and after the time for the appeals process has expired.

Very few people know the truth of what transpired to cause the death of little Luke Bjerkhamn, and I daresay that I am one of those who find it extremely difficult to believe the version of events on which the DPP relied. But my belief is not evidence that could stand up in a court of law. My belief comes from my experience with weapons. When the Barbados Defence Force was first established I was a weapons instructor. That is why I am able to say that the accepted version of events is virtually impossible. The injuries to Bjerkhamn’s hand and the fatal one to his son’s chest are more consistent with a third party firing at the father, who got injured while taking evasive action to avoid being killed. I could be wrong but my scenario makes more sense than a trained gun dealer cleaning a loaded weapon and then contorting himself in such a way that he could manage to injure himself in the hand.

180 thoughts on “Did Someone Get Away With Killing Luke Bjerkhamn And Wounding His Father?


  1. @Caswell, well said and makes a lot of sense. Hope the investigation was not bundled due to the delay to question him while a alibi was found.


  2. mr franklyn i have read your informed and i stress informed comments which you addedd cannot stand up in a court of law but they offer much food for thought nonetheless and should be the subject by those who should know.


  3. @ Caswell

    Many, many years ago in Barbados a young Bjorn Bjerkham was shot in the stomach. Many, many years later a young Johan Bjerkham was shot in the hand while his son, Luke Bjerkham was shot and killed.

    Does anyone know what were the circumstances surrounding the shooting of Luke’s grandfather, Bjorn Bjerkham?


    • @MME

      Which brings us back to Caswell’s substantive point. What evidence did the DPP based his judgement on?

      Persons who have been critical of the DPP’s actions in this case clearly do not know or do not understand the procedure in Barbados. It would appear that their understanding of the law is being influenced by American television programmes. The first problem for the DPP is that his office does not have an investigative arm.


  4. One can remember a recent event where a trained experienced Firefighter inexplicably took up a live electric wire from a pole causing his death.


  5. Unguarded moment my foot! Look at the videos on youtube on cleaning a glock. When stripping the weapon two hands are occupied. In order to shoot yourself in the hand you would have to use your third hand.


  6. @ MME
    What about your experience with people?

    LOL did you mean like their propensity to having hidden agendas?
    Did you mean our experience with the historical quality of openness? Or the historical quality of police investigations?

    Wait No!! You’re probably asking about Caswell’s experience with public servants’ decision making when faced with wealthy persons, in situations where there is official secrecy; and NEVER any consequences to pay….

    Acccidents DO happen. So there is absolutely no reason not to be COMPLETELY transparent and open in such a case.

    Caswell is (as he is mostly) bang on in his visionary analysis.


    • @MME

      With some experience with guns it is difficult to fathom how this accident could have occurred, very difficult.

      What makes it unbelievable is the fact we are dealing with a very experience gun handler.


  7. David and BT,

    Caswell made several points.

    Paragraphs 1, 2 & 3 – substantiated
    Paragraph 4 – unsubstantiated… come on Bush Tea… why assume malice when stupidity would suffice?

    Are you telling me you also support his last sentence… “contorting himself in such a way that he could manage to injure himself in the hand.”…. what sort of contortions are required to shoot yourself in the hand? steupse


  8. @MME

    Have you disassociated two events?

    The shooting in the hand and the cleaning of a gun.

    When put together there is a legitimate basis to question the event as reported.

    There is nothing to prevent the citizenry from being curious is there?


  9. “With some experience with guns it is difficult to fathom how this accident could have occurred, very difficult.”

    David… did you look at the links I provided… how hard are those to fathom. Cud dear… I provided photograph and video examples which leave little to the imagination… the video shows a DEA agent accidentally discharging a Glock in a classroom full of students while teaching them about gun safety… was he a very experienced gun handler?


    • Micro Mock Engineer

      I am not saying that a weapon cannot go off while attempting to clean it. You could accidentally shoot someone or you could hit yourself in the head, leg, chest or some other part of the body, but it is virtually impossible to shoot yourself in the hand since both hands would be occupied away from the nozzle. You would need a third hand to achieve such a feat.


  10. Caswell Franklyn

    “Unguarded moment my foot!”

    I understand, unguarded moment pokes a big hole in your theory.


    • Carson

      This is really above your head. You need to stick to your political nonsense. You are quite comical and entertaining in that role. My next post would be more suited to your idiocy so hold on until then.


  11. MME
    Your three star rating is under review.

    1. You ask why assume malice? ….are you serious? This is the DUTY of the DPP until evidence clearly indicate otherwise. Can you imagine a situation where the DPP takes the word of witnesses and suspects based on assuming good intent? ….or on other considerations? …..oh wait- that is what we currently have here and what the CJ is supposed to fix isn’t it….?

    2. The traditionally dangerous point in unloading a glock occurs when the trigger is released on a supposedly empty chamber. It is VERY difficult to imagine ANYONE familiar with the power of a 9mm round who would place their hand in front of a barrel while doing this…. Or who would do it in the direction of a loved one……far less a (highly experienced?) dealer.

    3. The experience of the agent in the video may be a clear case of overconfidence, or of the stress of addressing a large group – which can happen to ANYONE. But then there is no need for long delays, secrect reports and hidden facts. Don’t you think that the Magistrate had more information that we do? …and thus the unusually harsh comments?

    This case represents yet another nail in the coffin of our justice system. Justice must not only be done ( and maybe it was) , BUT IT MUST ALSO BE SEEN TO HAVE BEEN DONE.

    Was it….?


  12. i agree with Caswell but i also know that time will tell what really happen. somehow or the other that man or who ever did it, will pay for killing that child. i so sorry for the mother. i wish she could have taken her child away from that filth when she left. sad miserable, money grabbing animals they are.


  13. Behind every dark cloud there is a silver lining.
    This decision should now focus the spotlight on any future decisions meted out to those found guilty of violating irrelevant laws such as smoking marijuana and petty ‘criminal acts’ such as stealing food items (except those involving organised activities for super profits e.g. praedial larceny).
    The next judicial officer who imposes a jail sentence on a shoplifter or ganja smoker or seller instead of a fine or hours of community service would appear rather “interesting” to legal-minded onlookers.


  14. @miller

    The justice you yearn for from our Courts in the future does not prevent sensible Barbadians from casting a critical eye on the matter at hand. Certainly we can do both.


  15. Caswell Franklyn

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    I will give you this, you a very fertile imagination.


  16. @ David | December 26, 2011 at 11:05 AM |

    And with every right so! But we need to speak out against a ‘potential’ similarity in regard to the CLICO affair. One suspects another set of “dirt” will be swept under the already filthy carpet.
    To twist a bit BushTea’s take on it: “Justice must not only be Seen to be done but Must be done” in this clear case of breach of statute law.
    PS: Thanks caswell! You would make a very good investigative journalist, even though your “stint” in this field would be the target of those with evil intent.


  17. Actually the British Army has drooped the term ‘Accidental Discharge’ in preference to ‘Premature Discharge’, because when trained people are dealing with weapons, nothing resulting could be deemed accidental. In my many years service, which included 4 Infantry battalions , and active service stints, never once were there a single incident of an ‘accidental / premature discharge. And as Caswell would confirm, we had to be able to strip and assembly any weapon blind folded.


  18. What remains the important point here is our judicial system, and I agree with Bush tea in that regard. By the next week, a young man was imprisoned for 18 months for stealing an item in Bridgetown. Errol Barrow once said that poor people should keep out of Coleridge Street. But does this development coupled with the Barrack non payment an indication of the type of justice being served up by our judiciary? Does it mean that poor people suing anyone for their rights are wasting their time? Does it mean that the police now have a golden opportunity to turn Barbados into a Police state? Does it mean that that whole charade with the integrity legislation was bare boo?


  19. It could simply have been an accidental shooting because of callous mishandling of the gun and the best “concocted” story they could come up with is he was cleaning the gun and it discharged.


    • @Hantsie

      You could be right but all some are doing is to ask questions about a situation which has a little stench coming from it.


    • @MME

      People shoot themselves with Glocks all the time because as you know it is one gun which does not have a safety catch.

      To blow off your hand while obviously holding the nozzle and pulling the trigger is a stretch for an experience gun dealer (from all reports he had been dealing for a few years).

      It is not impossible mind up but a stretch.

      The procedure for COP to issue a gun license whether individual or dealer is sketchy. It is one we dealt with before when BU questioned Alfred Sparman getting a gun license.


  20. “You ask why assume malice?”

    No BT… I asked why assume malice WHEN stupidity will suffice? Hanlon’s Razor.

    “It is VERY difficult to imagine ANYONE familiar with the power of a 9mm round who would place their hand in front of a barrel while doing this…. Or who would do it in the direction of a loved one……far less a (highly experienced?) dealer”

    I agree, very difficult to imagine… but search online BT. You will find other examples… I already provided one. By the way, how experienced do you have to be to get a gun dealer’s license in Barbados? Can either you, David or Caswell enlighten us on the firearm licensing process in Barbados… in particular the licensing process for dealers and required training.

    “Don’t you think that the Magistrate had more information that we do? …and thus the unusually harsh comments?”

    Unusually harsh? Steupse… listen to the magistrate “The loss of a child’s life in the manner herein accepted by all parties is serious enough to merit a custodial sentence, even if other relevant considerations lead the court to exercise its discretion not to order such,”… is that harsh? Didn’t the law under which he was charged allow for a custodial sentence (albeit very short)? Which of the Magistrate’s comments did you find unusually harsh BT?

    David,

    I agree with asking questions. I am trying to understand why you find the official explanation so implausible when others have shot themselves in the hand while cleaning glocks.

    Caswell,

    Both hands do not have to be occupied away from the nozzle… remove magazine from gun, check the chamber, point in a safe direction, pull the trigger… only one hand is required to pull the trigger, and if you are carelessly ignore the second two steps and place your free hand on the nozzle you will shoot yourself… as others have done.


  21. @ lemuel | December 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM |

    Hi lemuel,
    Your contribution is exceedingly worthy of my support!

    Radicalism or not going along with the tide of “engineered” public opinion is a talent only entrusted to free-born thinkers or an intellectual luxury reserved for those of inquisitive minds. Which category do you fall in? The price that must be paid to travel such dangerous and oft times lonely pathways is the shedding of any cloak of prejudices and fear. Material success must never be in the spiritual equation of life and the pursuit of justice and fair play. This moral instruction is evidently borne out in the parable or story of your master Jesus X when put to the test in the Mountains of Life. Truth and justice, my friend, are the ‘sign posts’ along the way to eternal salvation.


  22. Suppose the man was “prematurely” dreaming of a Hants styled White Christmas with the help of ESA Fields and other friends? (Engineer you always generate alotta interest here, people like day likes you, but my interest here is a lack of confidence in Franklyn’s pseudo intellect)

    …hic …


  23. Maybe Caswell using himself can demonstrate through video how the incident could not have happened as presented to the court.

    BTW wasn’t there supposed to be a man standing on the grassy knoll who fired the fatal shot that killed John F Kennedy. just asking! Fact or fiction?


  24. Why I always tekkin’ flack … I jes’ loss confidence in the man after he expose he homophobic backside and still expect to be taken seriously… Quoting chapter and verse about Civil Service and Human Resource procedure don’ mek you a meritorious intellect all of ah sudden …


  25. David, which of these is the most plausible and which sound like “stretches”?

    (a) He was not as experienced as either you, BT or Caswell make him out to be, and his actions on that day led to the accidental shooting of his son

    (b) He intentionally shot and killed his son, OR

    (c) as Caswell imputes, there was a ‘third party’ who was really trying to kill the father who got injured while taking evasive action, and the same father is now conspiring to protect the identity of his would-be assassin and son’s murderer.

    “The procedure for COP to issue a gun license whether individual or dealer is sketchy”… here is another question for you David… which do you think has a greater bearing on who gets a gun dealer license in Barbados, competence or influence?


    • @MME

      Let us agree that we are all hypothesizing here.

      The answer points to (a) or (c).

      Regarding the issuance of gun permits the overwhelming evidence points to influence rather than competence.


  26. MME

    d) De man may have been influenced, (or under the influence), wait he ain’ human too, and believe the human body can do remarkable t’ngs, even defy gravity, when the conditions right …


  27. @MME
    As usual very well articulated and extremely ‘intelligent sounding’ at 2.24pm, but the bushman remains skeptical of your foundation.

    Surely you can’t seriously ask us to accept that the DPP should assume stupidity over malice just because the story is plausible and precedents exists.
    The role of the police investigation and of the DPP is to ascertain the facts based on evidence and then to apply the law. NOT TO ASSUME ANYTHING – especially stupidity.
    Far more practical for a prosecutor to assume guilt until the evidence shows otherwise. Had that been done and stupidity indeed been the cause, then what would have been the problem with revealing the facts?
    In fact the normal process is to provide case studies in such cases as a safety feature to avoid similar stupidity in future.

    Transparency is the issue MME

    LOL you caught Caswell with that cleaning sequence for the glock. Bushie was trying to provide him with a hint by referencing the most critical phase of disassembly which only require one hand, but Caswell was hard ears for years now – probably was not paying attention during train-the-trainers classes for weapons instructors. LOLOLOLOL.

    Finally, was the Magestrate harsh? ….skipper, The fact that she even said ANYTHING is harsh…
    Have you ever sat in a court bout here….?


  28. @ David
    There are many steps

    One involves squeezing the trigger before taking the main body apart. Only one hand needed there, and this is the most common point of having an AD.


  29. My two cents worth…..If there were a third party to the shooting, why would he protect them when his son is dead? If it were my child I would mek sure dem hang!


  30. BAFBFP added the “impaired” factor to my theory that it was a case of monkey handling gun.

    It is unfortunate that the least plausible excuse for the gun discharging is the one the defence used.

    The “third” person theory is plausible but the question would be why leave the intended target alive.
    Then again the shooter could have been known to the target and was so traumatized by the shooting of the child that they “froze” but that would be a script for Law and Order SVU.

    The biggest issue we all have is if there is a level of complacency by some of the police,prosecutors,Judges and lawyers in Barbados that needs to be rooted out.


  31. … man David you want to “shoot my suggestion to bits”… LOL you very dread today… I definitely have to avoid you when you cleaning your gun. I wasn’t suggesting that he disassembled the gun with one hand… but that during the process it is possible to shoot yourself AND, more importantly, it has happened to others.

    BT… I agree that there should be no problem in revealing all of the facts of this case and that transparency is an issue.


  32. @islandgal246 wrote “If it were my child I would mek sure dem hang!”

    even if it was yuh husban? Man you real cruel doh.


    • Although the magazine may have been removed there is always the one which remains in the breech and which any novice gun handler is aware.


  33. David | December 26, 2011 at 4:33 PM | Although the magazine may have been removed there is always the one which remains in the breech and which any novice gun handler is aware.

    Is it possible/easy to remove that one before cleaning?


    • @Is it possible/easy to remove that one before cleaning?

      It is as easy as 123 but the trick is to remember which should not be a problem for an experienced gun handler.

      The question is why would he cover the wrong end of the gun with his hand.


    • @MME

      In the case of the 81 year old we have a gun dealer who has a history of mishandling guns and a sordid past. The other one you are correct accidents do happen.

      In the case of Bjerkhamn and we know accidents happen but it does not preclude the need to ask questions if there is a stench.

      The day we stop being curious is the day we are condemned to be sheeple.

      Caswell does not have the lay out the case chapter and verse, he simple has to provoke discussion and let us see where it leads.


  34. now my three sense worth to give any plausibilty to this contrive theory . would be the child would have to be the intended victim ,Now what would be the motive ?insurance, then the question would be answered as to why the father kept his mouth shut . but then again how did the father got shot in the hand ? maybe at a last minute attempt trying to save the child or cold feet . but how did the third party get the gun.? that answer is simple, These are the stories hollywood movies are made of.

    @Caswell when presenting a theory it is always a more believable story should have Motive ! reason! and Cause! Your theory lacks all ! and it only presents controversy


  35. David,

    Here is another experienced gun handler who shot himself in the hand (with a glock) this June…

    http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/easton/index.ssf/2011/06/johns_gun_tackle_shop_owner_sh.html

    … and earlier this month another gun dealer accidentally shooting someone else while unloading a gun (you guessed it… a glock)…

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Accidental-shot-wounds-man-next-door-2352651.php

    Two examples in one year, both gun dealers, both glocks… come on David, this ‘experienced gun handler’ argument not holding water.


  36. Many accidents are quirks of fate which are difficult to recreate in real time, the argument of the DPP is that the accused has been punished enough because he caused the death of his son. I have been struggling to understand that line of thought, what if he had caused the death of someone else? Would the charge be the same or would the charges be elevated if he didn’t “suffer” the same emotional torment?

    I don’t buy the suggestion of a third party being involved, who is the target? If we assume that the target is the father why would they not finish the job? Why leave a witness who would spill the beans?

    Lastly, would we be having this discussion if Bjerkhamm Sr. drank a bottle of rum and took his son on a joy ride which ended on the wrong side of a wall or Telephone pole?

    I don’t think so, it would be an “accident”


  37. Okay

    We have sufficient evidence to request a recall these of these glocks. (Mind you, fifteen years ago it seen like the in thing for young people to kill themseoves with Gromoxone and I wanted a recall then too)


  38. Micro Mock Engineer

    Neither of the two stories that you posted has even suggested that these persons were cleaning the weapons when they discharged. So what point are you making?

    AC

    I am not seeking to convict anyone. I am merely suggesting that it is virtually impossible for the accident to have happened the way that it was reported.


  39. look caswell i never suggest that you were trying to convict any body . however you duid prsent a story suggesting a third party who might have been the murderer?


    • @BAFBFP

      People express opinions all the time including you.

      BU will continue to encourage others to ask questions even if the answers are not always apparent.


    • @Hants

      Another good reason is that the powers that be including the impregnable DPP can understand the views/feedback of ordinary Bajans.


  40. @ David
    Maybe it is not just BAFBFP…
    Seems like many of the BU posse are currently BUI
    …Blogging Under the Influence.

    I thought that MME was finished with the rum and coconut water …maybevitbis the black cake…and AC like she spiking the sorrel…


  41. I know nothing of guns far less how to clean one safely, however I am a loving parent one thing I do know is that when ever I have to do anything that would endanger my child’s life I go the extra 3 miles in making sure that they are safe. From what I read in the papers the story given to the police seems concocted in other words it is a lie and our intelligent DPP believe it or was paid to believe it. But nothing surprises me in Barbados if Mr. Dottin could come and tell a lie to Barbados or was mis-informed by his boys in saying that the family of Curtis Callender was present at the autopsy then justice is not evident here i Barbados. For all you out there the family of Curtis Callender were prevented from viewing the autopsy however the policemen that were there at the station the day he died were present for viewing. I Mr.Dottin was informed that the family members were present, then he would be kind enough to name them. Why is he lying or why was he l lied to.


  42. The good thing about discussing issues like this is that it will make those of us who own guns a little more careful when we handle them…..I hope!.


  43. This is the first time I’ve heard about a person being murdered and the heading underwhich the person is charged only have a maximum of 3mths and/ or $24. There were many cases in this country where the person murdered in self-defence and this had to be proven in court. Bejerkham is above the law in this country, and what this man got cannot be described as a slap no the wrist, that would have been too hard. I guess the police apologised to Mr Bejerkham for causing him the embarrassment.


    • Maybe if the DPP was not so busy hobnobbing in high social circles not limited to Sandy Lane golf course he would be more sensitive some of these matters.

      @Hants

      Another good thing which could shake out of this matter is the need for the Commissioner of Police to establish clear protocols for issuing gun licenses and permits to gun dealers.


  44. Caswell,

    The first link I provided was a US Marshall cleaning his gun. The second two were in response to the “experienced gun handler” argument… in one of these a cop was attempting to unload the glock… which is where AD is most likely to happen and happens to be a necessary step in cleaning the gun.

    If you believe that you have to use both hands to pull the trigger of a glock (a prerequisite for removing the slide during cleaning), then you are not as knowledgeable about guns as you proclaim to be. To say that it is virtually impossible for the accident to happen as reported is intellectually dishonest. Still waiting to hear what contortions are required to shoot yourself in the hand while disassembling a gun.

    David,

    Who says to stop being curious? If you present an alternative theory you should be prepared to defend it.


    • @MME

      To ‘defend’ the theory is limited by the info available i.e. no witnesses that we are aware.

      One is left to make conclusions from less than a circumstantial position.

      Yes accidents occur but when they do they should have the suffer the rigour of legal and public scrutiny.


  45. Agreed David. Keep up the good work. Just sharing my view on the “impossible for the accident to occur as reported / third-party assasin” theory… black cake and spiked-sorrel time 🙂


  46. Micro Mock Engineer or rather Mock Man

    There in nothing intellectually dishonest about anything that I wrote. When stripping a weapon in order to clean it, there is a possibility that a shot can be discharged if you are careless. My contention is that you could injure someone or yourself. However, what makes me doubt the story is where Bjerkhamn got injured. It is more likely that he would have been injured anywhere else but not in the hand. When stripping a glock his hands would not be positioned in front of the nozzle.


  47. Bajans have always believed that money and connections buy privilage in Barbados.

    This is why we are “curious” when the big ups are involved or charged with a crime.


  48. Engineer

    “Caswell, … then you are not as knowledgeable about guns as you proclaim to be.” Now maybe there is someone else on this site who is seeing things a little more clearly…

    Granted, a man ain’ gun’ just up an shoot heself in he hand, even if by accident while cleaning a weapon, and more so ta kill he son in de process, but I would accept that point a view from anyone else but a Com’erian who feel he is a intellect of repute … all of a sudden … hic.

    Ac you spiking sorrel now … Man wah you spiking wid ..? hic…


  49. So Hants, exactly what do you mean by “those of us who own guns….”
    …why do you need a gun in the most peaceful country on Earth…? When you visiting home leave it there for the Bushman please!!


  50. @BAFBFP

    Why you don’t leave Sarge?

    Can you deal with the backlash?

    @ac

    Stop limiting your argument and just ask questions i.e be curious


  51. David I did present an argument that is more plausible than Caswell. However You did say that Caswell did not gave an eyewitness and i beg to differ as in his Submission. he presented the father as being the only eyewitness to the crime which Caswell said might have involved a “Third party” What does thou have to say to that? defend your above comment posted on dec 26 @ 7.52pm


  52. Instead of looking at the scenario being painted by the cawmere boy Franklyn to pick holes in the possibility of the story behind the death of the little boy, to those of us who are very familiar with the glock and who own some, the story is impossible.

    To BAFBFP:
    You need to get the Xmas spirits out of you and come back sober next year. I still value your contributions but these here leave a lot to be desired.


  53. Nobody cares because it a little white boy who died.

    If a rich white man shoots and kils a little white boy in Barbados nobody cares.


  54. @BAFBFP

    I could tolerate Sarge
    ********

    Hi BAFBFP or SFB -for shortness (a bit colloquial I must admit). Merry Xmas to you too, I hope that you had a good Xmas and will not be using the Season as an excuse to over imbibe. How about the ladies in your life? I hope you treated the Crop Over chick with the same generosity that you extended to the “Arm Candy” lady that you keep for those special occasions.

    I know you came to TO but missed the snow last year and it’s a year later and still no snow this Xmas, as a matter of fact a few hours ago I saw a rabbit munching on grass in my backyard ( when I grew up in Bim he would be Rabbit Stew toute suite.

    Despite the lack of snow you should return, the ecdysiasts miss you.

    As always your friend

    Sarge


  55. @David

    Thanks for the defense, but BAFBFP? Pleaseee!!! He is like the student who is learning to box and the trainer shouts “block your head” and he puts up his dukes to cover his face and the sparring partner administers a combination to the solar plexus.

    BAFBFP down for the count, always the runner up in a battle of wits.


  56. @BAFBFP

    “I could tolerate Sarge ********

    Hi BAFBFP or SFB -for shortness (a bit colloquial I must admit). Merry Xmas to you too, I hope that you had a good Xmas and will not be using the Season as an excuse to over imbibe. ”

    Thnx, but hell yea I am imbibing … hic .. because next year you, Amused and Moneybrain gun still be hey and I need the inspiration (big time), if only for a short time to believe that it is important for me to take on the likes of you … hic


  57. Sargeant wrote “Crop Over chick with the same generosity that you extended to the “Arm Candy” lady”

    The crop over chick is arm candy too. right BAFBFP?


  58. why couldn’t the goodly magistrate vwhen she had the opportunity just not given mr bjerkam 3 months in prison rather than moaning to the press about the dpp’s ill advised judgment.


  59. pretty strong comments on the integrity of the top cop pretty blue eyes. if your comments are indeed accurate then this matter needs to be fully ventilated on this forum till the family is vindicated. no wonder all and sundry is losing faith in the nation and advocate as reputable news organs. pretty blue eyes i hope your information is accurate and not a figment of your imagination.


  60. @MME

    According to Internet reports that DEA agent who shot himself in the leg sued the government for releasing the video which according to him damaged his career. One would think it reasonable for his career to have been adversely affected don’t you think?


  61. David | December 27, 2011 at 7:36 AM | @MME

    According to Internet reports that DEA agent who shot himself in the leg sued the government for releasing the video which according to him damaged his career. One would think it reasonable for his career to have been adversely affected don’t you think?

    David
    Thanks for the above information. It accords with what I have been saying: he shot himself in the LEG, not the hand. The shot in the hand would have been the second shot: the first going into poor Luke.


  62. David, he was careless and over-confident and made a mistake that endangered himself and others. I am not sure what procedures the DEA had in place for these demonstrations, but I would expect that he had a personal responsibility to ensure that the gun was unloaded before wielding it in front of the classroom. It does show how easy it is for experienced well-trained people to occasionally make bad mistakes.

    I feel sorry for him and the level of embarrassment it must have caused him and his family, but think how much worse it could have been had he shot one of those children. He should count his blessings, learn from the incident and move on… in a different job.

    Caswell, who said he was shot in the hand? That was not the purpose of posting the clip… it was to show how experienced and well trained gun handlers could easily put themselves and others in danger due to lapses in judgment…. the bullet barely missed his hand by the way, watch the video again. The first link I provided along with the video was a US Marshall shooting himself in the hand while cleaning his gun… it is NOT “virtually impossible”… it does NOT require any special contortions… there are SEVERAL examples online… Google is your friend, use it before sticking stubbornly to a nonsensical remark… LOL.


  63. White men in Barbados are still pretty powerful (primarily because black men who have the legal authority have no balls) If a white man beats his wife the black authorities will knock, then stand at the gate and wait.

    If a white boy is shot, he dun dead already so who cares. He is only a little boy, one of the non-powerful ones.

    And if a child has to die,be buried and quickly forgotten so that a rich white man can remain rich and free and powerful so be it.

    He was only a li’l boy after all, and therefore not important.

    However his mother and grandmother need to come out of their grevious slumber and fight for justice for their child.

    But will they????

    3 women won the Nobel Peace Prize this year, maybe the time has come for white Bajan women to step from behind thier men ‘s money, and to stand up for justice.

    But will they???


  64. “If a white man beats his wife the black authorities will knock, then stand at the gate and wait”

    I t’ink it did de other way around … Poor Bizzy did tekkin’ some good lashes … from a Black chick!


  65. Mock Man

    Before you choose to abuse me, it would have been good to check the meaning of the word, “virtually”


  66. Caswell,

    Check the meaning of the word “virtually”?… LOL… but look at my crosses doh… you have spent way too much time around lawyers…. Ieave out de pedantic courtroom semantics do…

    Let me break it down as simply as I can for you. You have dismissed the official account of what happened on the premise that it is “virtually impossible” to shoot oneself in the hand while cleaning a gun since some special contortion would be required. That is complete and utter rubbish… and intellectually dishonest from a weapons trainer. You only need to be careless…. like these folks…. (first few Google search results by the way)…

    December 2011… “Montcalm County man shoots himself in hand while cleaning gun” – http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/12/montcalm_county_man_shoots_him.html

    December 2011… “Accidental shooting investigated in Pocono Lake… Monroe County man shot in the hand last Friday accidentally shot himself while disassembling the pistol” – http://articles.mcall.com/2011-12-07/news/mc-poconos-accidental-shooting-20111207_1_accidental-shooting-gunshot-wound-police-investigation

    December 2011… “Danbury father and son injured in accidental shooting while cleaning handgun”… (son shot in hand, father in back) – http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Danbury-father-and-son-injured-in-accidental-943804.php

    November 2011… “Lexington man shoots himself in hand while cleaning gun” – http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/04/1946107/lexington-man-shoots-himself-in.html#storylink=cpy

    April 2011… “Off-duty cop shoots himself in the hand (while cleaning gun)” – http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/off-duty_cop_shoots_himself_in.html

    January 2011… “Man shoots himself in hand while cleaning gun” – http://www.newsherald.com/news/hand-89843-shoots-callaway.html

    December 2010… “Hernando man shoots himself (in hand) while cleaning gun” – http://springhill.wtsp.com/content/hernando-man-shoots-himself-while-cleaning-gun

    May 2010… “Spring Hill man accidentally shoots himself in hand, friend in foot while cleaning gun” – http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=132872

    February 2009… “Williamsport police officer shot in hand while cleaning gun” – http://dailyitem.com/0100_news/x691312538/Williamsport-police-officer-shot-in-hand-while-cleaning-gun/print


  67. “Before you choose to abuse me”

    Wait Caswell… you consider my responses to your ‘theory’ abuse? LOL… man I liked the first three paragraphs of your post… just giving you some constructive feedback on the last paragraph.


  68. Mock Man

    Don’t believe all those stories of people cleaning guns and being injured in the hand. In most cases, they might very well be cover stories. The DEA agent that shot himself in the leg was not cleaning: he was disassembling the weapon. Don’t you think that a gun dealer would know the difference between cleaning and disassembling a weapon. Novices attempt to clean weapons without disassembling and that is where an accident might occur. However, in the subject case, both hands are engaged away from the nozzle when stripping a glock. He would have to be shot in his third hand. If no one else were present then I am left to conclude that the secong shot went through the hand.


  69. I had a teacher who told me once that accidents do not “just” happen, they are caused.

    No matter how many accidental discharges we post, it still does not change the fact that these people were careless in their handling of the firearms, especially those involving a Glock (the safest handgun in the world today).

    Without incriminating myself….lol. had these people followed the rules for cleaning these weapons, chances are there would not be any injuries.

    Caswell’s comments ring true when you look at it from the point of view of the training rules. Any person following the rules rigidly (and you should always) would never end up with an injury or injuring anyone but people get careless over time.

    http://www.f-r-i.com/glock/FAQ/FAQ-cleanpics.htm

    If this procedure is followed always, step by step, there would not be any ADs and certainly no hand injuries or others being shot.

    The Bjerkhamn incident leaves a lot of questions unanswered, moreso as he is supposed to be a professional gun dealer/ handler.
    My question is why clean a gun in the presence of the son?


  70. @Techie

    We all agree that with all the rules in the world people get careless and accidents result.

    The point which Caswell is defending is that in the cleaning of a glock it means disassembly. There is the step of pulling the trigger which is necessary in this process. Any one who has pulled the long and weighty trigger of a glock knows it is a very deliberate act.

    More question than answer!


  71. @ Caswell
    Frankie, the bushman would humbly advise you to leave MME alone. You may get hurt…..
    The process of ‘cleaning’ a glock begins with making it safe, releasing the mechanism, and dissassembly. You are suggesting that ‘cleaning’ is a more limited exercise but you are incorrect. It is not worth tackling MME on this after he had had a few drinks…

    @ Tech
    If this procedure is followed step by step….
    …and if shit had wings….


  72. It is the duty of the DPP to prosecute, it is the duty of Juries to determine guilt, Magistrates or a Judge to decide on sentence taking account of the “Tariff” that relates to the specific charge.

    The Magistrate as I understand it, was annoyed with the DPP because the charge brought tied her hands as to what sentence she could impose; that does not mean she would have given a custodial sentence….perhaps not.

    But in this case it appears the DPP by bringing that specific charge to some degree dictated the outcome. The Magistrate felt she was rubber-stamping on a serious offence, one on which many questions would be asked later.
    ————————————————
    Accidents are just that “accidents” I do have some experience of using and cleaning guns, but in the military people are killed because they have acted contrary to good training, as can happen in civilian life.

    I think Caswell Franklyn has brought an interesting point for debate but something more “substantive” would have to be offered to the table, before I could personally take the view he has taken.


  73. “No matter how many accidental discharges we post, it still does not change the fact that these people were careless in their handling of the firearms”

    Techy… the purpose of the links was not to “change the fact” but to confirm it… carelessness is a very plausible explanation for this incident… we are on the same page.

    “My question is why clean a gun in the presence of the son?”

    Asked and answered… “but people get careless over time”.

    Caswell…. I admire your stubbornness… you trying to dethrone Bush Tea or wuh? LOL


  74. The point which Caswell is defending is that in the cleaning of a glock it means disassembly. There is the step of pulling the trigger which is necessary in this process. Any one who has pulled the long and weighty trigger of a glock knows it is a very deliberate act.

    Agree David, that is why you point it away from yourself and anyone and repeat the procedure (posted by me) twice. There are 3 safety features that engage and disengage when firing the Glock.
    So the clearing of the round in the chamber should be complete IF the rules are followed.
    Any gun dealer knows (OR SHOULD) to check this first.

    More questions than answers indeed !!


  75. We are assuming that because a person is a gun dealer or even an expert in the handling of one or more types of weapons that he/she should be competent handling other weapons. One of the reasons why there are fewer accidents in military and paramilitary organisations is that individuals must become quite conversant with each type of weapon assigned to them at any time.They must be qualified via Weapons Drill, ie stripping ,loading ,unloading, making safe, dealing with jams ,as well as on the live firing ranges.
    Even Armourers by trade ,have to undergo similar training on each individual weapon type issued to a unit.
    Guns are not a hazard, the persons behind them could be.


  76. “The Magistrate felt she was rubber-stamping on a serious offence, one on which many questions would be asked later.”

    Yardbroom… this was what the Magistrate is reported to have said at sentencing:

    “The loss of a child’s life in the manner herein accepted by all parties is serious enough to merit a custodial sentence, even if other relevant considerations lead the court to exercise its discretion not to order such,”

    This comment and her judgement (not applying the maximum custodial sentence allowed under the law) appear to contradict your assessment of her. She bemoaned the light penalties prescribed by the law but gave an even lighter sentence… what are your views on this?

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