Although The Music Is Playing The “Party” Cannot Start Until She Takes To The Floor: Mia Mottley

Submitted by Yardbroom

Mia Mottley, former leader of the Opposition

In making a political decision you “must” factor in what is the likely outcome and how you will respond to it, obviously to your advantage…..that is real politics.  We are where we are, therefore the present situation has got to be dealt with.  The euphoria – for some – in the recent successful change of leader in The Barbados Labour Party is almost a distant memory but the heat of the next general election has already started to warm the hands of a few; others can feel the chill of defeat.  In balancing the risk factors resulting from that change of leadership and how to turn them into a positive result, it will take the acumen of a keen actuarial brain coupled with tactical awareness; but so it should be for the prize is to be the next Prime Minister of Barbados.

Like him or loath him, Owen Arthur was able to persuade his parliamentary colleagues to support his bid for re-election as leader of the Party.  I will not concern myself here with the minutiae of that challenge germane as it is.  I am looking forward.

A section of the electorate – even here on BU – who are dedicated DLP supporters seek to praise Mia Mottley with a view to sow discord in the BLP ranks; not to be outdone a few BLP supporters are praising Chris Sinckler and even asking why he is not leader of the DLP, such activists – not always – seek to be mischievous and appeal to ego.

My track record in these things is fairly solid; so I will be up front once again.  The outcome of the next Barbados General Election will depend on decisions made in the BLP,  having made such a bold statement I must explain the reasoning which underpins it.

Owen Arthur has a difficult decision to make, the BLP will not win an outright victory – with a governing majority – unless Mia Mottley is on board.  Arthur has to decide how that feat will can be accomplished, politics is about practicalities and outcomes.  The best brains and ideas are useless unless you are in Government and in a position to implement policy…all politicians know that.

Mia Mottley has more power now to influence events than she did before, to compound that she is rock solid in her constituency, the bell is not tolling for Mia Motley.  Others might wish that were the case but it is not so.  In examining a political situation one must stand back from a stance based on personal likes or dislikes, a failure to do so ensures flawed thinking.

A political construct based on what has happened or is happening to a particular party in America, Canada, UK or other Caribbean islands does not take account of the peculiarities of Barbados politics, where positions are fashioned on a myriad of issues beguiling to an outsider.
The Barbados General Election campaign started some time ago, it is now the fine tuning which has to take place, for if the BLP fails to act – whatever the economy – the DLP will gallop away with a resounding victory.

You might have noticed there is no mention here of Prime Minister Freundel Stuart, neither have I sought to highlight the abilities or otherwise of Chris Sincker, my reasoning is that to do so at this juncture and in this submission would be to take my eye off the ball.  I have focused on where the “real action” is and the factor which will determine the outcome of the next general election in Barbados.  I have no wish list of any kind, just naked pragmatism.

Others might take  different views, those I will respect but they are theirs to give.

Can Owen Arthur offer anything to Mia Mottley and if he did would she accept his offer, or perhaps more pertinent should she accept, or are the wounds too fresh.  The clock is ticking and only they can decide but the words exchanged between them and the body language presented and perceived by the Barbados electorate will determine the future of Barbados for a decade or more.  Other issues are significant and will to some degree impact on the next Barbados general election, my omission of them does not mean they are trivial but I contend that the Mia Mottley Owen Arthur factor will determine the real prize…the next Prime Minister of Barbados.

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  1. yes yardroom. the BLP is indeed between a rock and a hard place and the DLP will certainly gaLlop away with a victory by default because from conversing with oNe of the gang of five it seems that they are either ignorant or naive of THE DAMAGE OF- NOT WHAT THEY DID BUT HOW THEY WENT ABOUT GETTING RID OF MISS MOTTLEY- would IMPACT ON THE CRUCIAL 13% INDEPENDENT VOTE and possibility the credibility of the party for some time to come. i am on record on this forum of praising mr arthur for his management of the economy for the past 14 years his mistakes in some areas notwithstanding but the fact is that most barbadians enjoyed for 14 years a reasonable and successful standard od living which was the envy of some of our caribbean neighbours. most of all, he restored confidence to a battered and discredited economy.but having sid all that his behaviour in recent times and his seemingly destruction of an organisation which made his name a household word has diminished his status as a leader in my books.


  2. I can’t speak for the 13% of independent voters only for myself. I would say that I worry more about the ECONOMY than about the way “the gang of five” got rid of Miss Mottley.
    I don’t see that much of a difference in ideaology between the DLP and the BLP; more a difference in personalities. Economy was better under BLP, however, can’t blame DLP for the global economic crisis.
    What I’m really interested in, is finding out how the 2 parties differ in measures they think need to be taken to turn the economy around. That is what will make me decide which party to vote for. I am not interested in their internal infighting.


  3. We may disagree about political decisions taken by parties when in power but decency is still one of the characteristics that most Barbadians hold fast to.

    I am not a supporter of Mia Mottley and certainly not Owen Arthur but when he used the University office to tell the world that Mia(opposition leader) must change her lifestyle and he did not say what she must change, to become a leader of Barbados then that would have hurt anyone to the core.

    Even if things said were rumours, he made people really start to believe what they were hearing.

    How would she feel when on this blog her party supporters who she may know support Owen says such nasty things about her and family. For example the person who goes by name of lemuel

    She may want her party to win but I do not feel she will support Owen in the next election.

    If Owen succeeds in getting Clyde Mascoll in a constituency that fits his profile (can someone explain that for me) there will be a lot of behind the scenes backstabbing.


  4. @ David
    What do you find interesting? That I don’t see that much difference between the Dems and the Bees (just look at the ease with which persons cross the floor for eg. personal grievances) or that economic measures will weigh heavily in my decision which party to vote for?
    Could you elaborate a little more on “This precedent setting”.


    • @Independent

      Nothing so indept. One would think your assertion that the economy should determine who wins the next election should be obvious.

      However the machinations taking place in the BLP with Arthur, Mottley, Payne and now the Eastmond matter threatens to subsume ever thing.

      How will this factor?


  5. I don’t think mia isthat mean and vindictive. i do believe she would ask herself what would be the risk to the country .if she really believes that Owen is the best person and far head and shoulders above Freundel in bringing the country out of the economic mess ,she would bit the bullet and back Owen. Inother words she would be willing to put the “best interest ” of the country above all else. I do believeher love of country supersedes her Love for herself and it shows. That is why the public totally support her. despite what others in the BLP would think. She holds the Keys as to wether or not the BLP wins .The public knows that as well as the party warriors.


  6. @ David
    I don’t know how it will factor in. Mind you the DLP only benefits from all this ( BLP infighting), even if only because it detracts from more pressing issues.
    I would hope that the electorate would not be easily duped, but insist on issues being discussed and on politicians taking a clear stand on economic matters and on eg FOI legislation.
    Having said that, I’m getting depressed because we only have to think about the DLP manifesto /promises in the last election and what they have
    achieved thus far. And the DLP can’t use the economic crisis as a blanket excuse for not achieving what they promised.

    Minister Estwick made comments about BWA, so …..what exactly is going on there? How much did he say government is going to spend on a sugar fac


    • @Independent

      It is unfortunate the government has had little wriggle room to engage in expansive and or developmental projects.

      We live in interesting times.


  7. People vote in their best interests. idont think that the DLP is in the best interests of the country.Whether Mia and Owen are on the best personal terms is not important to the way the country is governed. the DLP is hoping that their mistakes ,bleeps and blundeers are susdumed under the quarrels of Owen and Mia.. Let the Dems rule efficiently or go.this is a very poor government. The people wil judge them on their proformance and their proformance is poor pure and simple


  8. I have found it passing strange that Mia after her initial statement on the day she was removed has never said why she was removed. Mia never reads from prepared scripts, that day she read from a prepared script. I thought that was strange.

    Mia and Mia alone can bring an end to this feud by letting the public know why she was removed. She should say whether she intends to leave the BLP and they will then able to move on. But by not doing this, she has held the party to ransom, her DLP friends continue to spew lies on how bad she was treated. If she thinks this will harm the BLP, so that she could get back the leadership, I think she is sadly mistaken.

    Right now, people are hurting, they have slowly come to the conclusion that the Dems dont have a clue how to fix the economy. Just listen to the Central Bank Governor and you would see that he does not inspire any confidence. When the PM is ready to call elections, Bajans will remember how they had prosperity under the Bees, and vote for their survival.

    Mia by this time would have to join the Dems if she does not want to fall in line!

    As a foot note, I detect from the Big Interview with Mara that she does not seem at all happy with her decision to become the MP. That’s just my take on a comment half way in the interview!


    • Another test which has assumed public interest is the unfolding saga in St. James North.

      Rawle Eastmond is seen as one of those politicians who is ‘different’, to oust him to allow Hinkson to continue may make less of a wave than if Mascoll is foisted on the constituency.


  9. Right now Barbados needs strong leadership and persons that know what they are doing. Persons strong enough to stand up to the Super Powers, the IMF and our unions to ensure that we get the best for Barbados and the people of Barbados.

    I only hope that after the next elections regardless as to which party wins that we have a more balanced Parliament and more balanced views, so that when bills etc. is not a forgone conclusion that it’s going to be passed.

    In regards to Mia Mottley, I think she is doing a lot right now to boost her popularity and to try to enhance her image. Ms Mottley still has a lot to offer Barbados.


  10. Perlixin Pearlie
    Waitttttttttttttt, dah is you? wah becum a you soul? I miss you like I miss my late PM.
    I was hay readin de Nation n believ me, afta a year, I still sheddin a tear. I miss he rale bad.
    I in a rale sombra mood taday.
    stupseeeeeeeeeeeee.

    Hope ta hare ya soon again Perlixin. Miss ya jokes.


  11. Mia is aloyalist and she is not going to let the party mugufaee throw her out of the party that her father was a big part of making and shaping. Why should she. Remember he who laughs first always laugh last.

    The life of the late David Thompson even though was shortened had accomplished sufficient that those who remember him would be joyful that his life was not in vain. “Even though he is dead “Yet does he live”


  12. ac- as far as i am aware mr thompson was an extremely intelligent individual and a skilful and articulatedebater who used his debating skills to capture the imagination of the public from an early age.he joined the political party to which his mother was affiliated from an early age spoke tellingly on political platforms. he was a loyal party member who was in the vanguard of the party’s political battles.he inherited a safe DLP seat in st john on mr barrow’s desath and he is not known to be a brilliant lawyer. to his discredit, he was the attorney for clico and must share some responsibility for the suffering policy holders now endure.HOWEVER, HE EARNED AND DESERVED EVERY ACCOLADE OBTAINED FROM THE PARTY TO WHICH HE GAVE HIS ALL.BEFORE HIS DEATH. BUT MR THOMPSON TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY DID NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE OF BARBADOS THAT DESERVES NATIONAL ACCLAIM. AC, IF YOU CAN, PLEASE INFORM ME. SOME WILL SAY THAT HIS UNTIMELY DEATH DID NOT AFFORD HIM THAT OPPORTUNITY BUT THAT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN SPECULATIVE.BY THE WAY, AC, MISS MOTTLEY’S FATHER DID NOT PLAY ANY PART BIG OR SMALL IN SHAPING THE BLP. MISS MOTTLEY’S GRANDFATHER SUPPORTED THE DLP IN THE 1961 ELECTIONS WHICH GAVE THE DLP THE GOVERNMENT.MIS MOTTLEY’S FATHER WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE BLP IN THE CITY OF BRIDGETOWN. HE RELINQUISHED THE SEAT TO TAKE UP THE POST OF CONSUL-GENERAL IN NEW YORK AT MR BARROW’S URGING. I BELIEVE THAT MISS MOTTLEY AT ONE TIME WAS A MEMBER OF THE YOUNG DEMOCRATS.


  13. @ balance. You know Some of see things and say ” why” others see and say “WHY NOT” that summarise Mr. Thompson. It is not much of what he merited out but the quality and the lives that he touched and made a difference. is not always about Politics but also about the induvidual and a legacy of compassion and understand that one gives.A compliment he earned and well deseringly so.Take off your political hat for a moment. and reminesce for an individual who had hopes and dreams for our country but unfortunately was not able to fulfill them .

    As for Mr . Mottley not old enough to remember but i do remember hearing my granmother speak highly of him and his valuable contribution to the party. Thanks however for your input i would remeber what i have gatehered and learn from it.


  14. If the DLP had nominated Austin Husbands to run in St. James North and the BLP ousted Rawle Eastnond, then that seat would be won by the DLP. However without Rawle (BLP) or Austin(DLP), that seat would be up for grabs


  15. The dLP needs to stop focussing on the ills of the BLP, if they want to win the next elections. The party has to start easing the pressure on the voting public, because promises will not win an election this time. The BLP can do the promising because they are in opposition and the voting public knows they delivered when they ousted the DLP. However, the DLP has not done much of they promises in the manifesto and now they have just over one year to put their house in order. There are big problems within the BLP but the DLP had similar problems close to the last elections and won the government becuse the BLP was NOT performing, history can well repeat itself this next general elections.


  16. @Prodigal Son……..Since when is the burden of proof the defendant’s? Mia does not owe an explanation to anyone.To the contrary those who level the charge are yet to offer substantiation. Perhaps they can begin by explaining how the very criteria that qualified her as deputy now poses a challenge to her ascension to leadership. Lifestyle we are told precludes the above. Lets talk about Betty’s son(his name escapes me right now) who ran bout with all of us in the village.His dad was the Prime Minister,and we have never had a first lady by the name of Betty.Lets talk about the bedroom that was flooded with a garden hose pushed through the broken louvers all because the side woman was having a fling with another man.This dastardly deed was done by a sitting Prime Minister. Does the chief judge,Mr. opposition leader have offspring born outside of wedlock? Good for the goose,but not for the gander?Or should it be the other way around?


  17. Bonnnay,
    How you girl? I hope you still trussing in de Lord and you aint letting some a de vagabuns bout de place mek you sin yuh soul.
    I still hey, poor, peaceful and polite. I keepin a low profile cause de Lord give me some visions and den tell me tuh keep my big mout shut. I aint harty like one time, but I still hinging on. Wid de big lotta teefing and ting dese days I does keep my winda shut up tight tight tight


    • It would be insightful to read a poll to see how Mia, Owen and Fruendel stake up nationally. There is a sense that despite everything which has flowed under the bridge Mia’s national profile has been climbing. The challenges which she faces is that has Prodigal Son commented, she will need the support of the current lot of her parliamentary colleagues.


  18. Bonny I tought yuh frien Pearlie did get sick from skinning she behind at muh, ah tought she mighta catch a cold yuh knoe where. But ah glad tah see she pooping in hey evan dough she did buse muh lika fishwife. Pearlie ah hopes yuh doing fine.


  19. HH,

    You are not drawing me into people’s personal business. Suffice to say, Dems seem to know about everybody in the BLP bedroom business but overlook the children fathered by DLP MP’s outside of marriage, those who claim responsibility for the outside children to protect those in leadership positions, those who impregnate underage girls and those who lead a gay lifestyle.

    I disagree with you, Mia has to defend herself if she wants back the leadership. She has played her cards so badly (taking advice from Dems) that she has backed herself into a corner. To be leader again, she must have the support of the very same people whom she now refuses to be in their company. Pray tell me which of those MPs will vote for her to be leader over them. Was her dictatorial leadership style not the problem?

    I maintain that Mia believes that she has all the aces and can hold the BLP to ransom. I think she will find out that she has overplayed her hand. No one is bigger than the party.


  20. Sargeant
    mwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, smoochhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, smoochhhhhhhhhh. I owe ya one. Jess tell ma when ya want um. LOLL
    Since ya bin sa kine, ya kin pull up dis chune from me ta yaself; “Heaven says hello’ by Sonny James.
    Tanks man.

    Perlixin
    Lawdddddd, bless ma eyesite. Girl, as long as ya livin sumting gotta befall ya, so jess tek evva ting in stride n tank de Lord fa life. It coulda bin worsa. But ya kin still gih ma a shout-out evva now n den. Uh miss ya tu bad.

    ac
    LOLL. Perlixin is a hole comedy-fest in one. I tawt I did bad til I meet she. She mo badda dhan me any time bosey. Lord hah mercyyyyyyyyyy,


  21. there is no doubt about it. miss mottley is probably the only politician in parliament outside of mr arthur despite his shortcomings that has a national following. in the present system of governance,she has proven herself as competent as anyone to lead this country.much has been made of miss mottley’s purported lesbian lifestyle everybody has some sort of skeleton in their closet and we must be carreful how we condemn. mr artur should be made to explain his volte-face about miss mottlet after singing her praises and castigating others for maligning her character. miss mottley has proven to be a skilful politician fully in command of her constituency, just as articulate a debater as mr thompson and cannot be faulted for the management of the ministries she commanded.


    • It seems the Mia Mottley detractors are intimating there is ‘something’ which caused her to be ousted.

      If it is so bad why don’t they dropped the bomb and forget the insinuations?

      Wouldn’t it make Mottley go away and relieve the party of the distraction headed into a general election?


  22. ac nice try but a lot of the love garnered by mr thompson was to my mind as a result of the compassion and sympathy for a young brilliant individual and family man cut down in the prime of his life. it is not unusual to see such incidences here in this little island particularlt when a young person dies tragically far less a prime minister riding the crest of the wave. mr thompson was no more compassionate than anybody else, matter of fact he received more compassion than he gave. it would have been good if he had translated that ompassion to the poor suffering policy holders of clico like myself and not give all to mer parris. mr thompson lost three elections as leader of the dlp and ran from office notwithstanding his compassion adnd the lives you say he touched.as i indicated, any talk of what he might have done is only speculative because there were things he promised to do before his sickness that he did not do, so his track record in this regard would be somewhat skewed.


  23. Chaos in both parties!
    Peter Gilkes tell Tan Abed son to “f…off” a few days ago, because the young man refused to canvass with him and Harry Husbands
    Harry Husbands cuss carlton hinds in St John parish church immidiately after the service for the late PM, David Thompson…Seems like Carlton and Harry have a score to settle, since Carlton criticized the decision to replace his brother-in-law. Harry tek it “personal”.


  24. Dale Marshall you got to be a Prodigal Idiot if you really feel that Mia Mottley will have no influence over whether the BLP wins the next election. We ain’t buying what you selling.

    Face the facts man. The woman is popular right across the length and breadth of the country. She continues to espouse original ideas and solutions that people can understand and believe in. She is not on any witch hunt and she comes across as genuine and compassionate.

    I know you would probably not have attended Barney’s Branch Meeting so read what she said about the urgency of curbing spending on transfers and subsidies in today’s Nation. She is calling yet again for Parliament to look at this problem in a bi-partisan way because if the Government does not take immediate action to control spending we all going to Hell in a hand basket.

    If as her Deputy you had a problem with her leadership style did you raise it with her, or did you do what you do best – smile and say I backing you, till George pulled the strings. Remember one thing, your turn going come so don’t hold your breath waiting for Owen to live up to his part of the Prior Park deal. You going be out on your ass just like Mia. You can’t see he gone back to the old divide and rule tactics of praising up Mascoll. You think you going win that war? A promise is comfort to a fool, Dale. He going ditch you and George as soon as he no longer needs you.

    You back the wrong horse, ma boy. And remember this, if the BLP should win you going need at least 16 seats. You sure 8 possible winners going back Owen? Do you remember who became Prime Minister the morning after the 1961 Election? Was he the Party Leader on Election Day?

    You all so foolish you want your best asset to join the Dems, but then again maybe you feel that would clear the way for you. Ain’t gonna happen. You better try and win your seat and hope that George wins his too, or it going be awfully lonely for you.

    If I was Mia Mottley I wouldn’t want any of you around me and I don’t know why you craving her company now. You didn’t want it when you had it. You Dale, and the other three idiots going make my poor country have to suffer another five years of Fruendel and Chris. Lord help us all!


  25. I am very apprehensive about those politicians who apparently collaborate with and curry the favour of those persons alleged to be be gang leaders or drug barons. In Trinidad and Jamaica, much of the present problems those countries experience have their genesis in the misguided belief by politicians that the drug barons, dons and other ‘leaders’ of the informal and often illegal economy were acceptable (and controllable) conduits to the so called masses. This collaboration between the politicians and those who Patrick Manning in Trinidad termed “community leaders” has led to the havoc being experienced in Trinidad and Jamaica. At a time of economic depression when the formal economy and by extension the State is extremely vulnerable, it is unwise to amplify the economic and social influence of these ‘community leaders’. This will come back to haunt all of us in the future.


  26. Does anyone think that the legitimizing of Dudus Coke was not done in plain sight of ordinary Jamaicans? At his sentencing Coke used his record of philanthropy in the community as consideration for gaining reduced jail time.

    In a local football tournament which appears to be a big success, it is alleged by some that some questionable characters are involved. It is up to the citizens working in tandem with the authorities to expose wrongdoing if it exist.


  27. balance mr thompson term in office was short lived. unfortunately no one can say what he would have done to amend the policy holders. But i for one believes he would have done the right thing. As a matter of fact you are being speculutive yourself not knowing how thompson would have handled the Clico matter .May He Rest In Peace


  28. WE ALREADY KNOW. HE SAID CLICO WAS A WELL MANAGED COMPANY ALTHOUGH EVIDENCE NOW INDICATES IT WAS NOT AND IF HE WAS AS BRIGHT AS WE SAY HE IS, THEN HE SHOLULD HAVE KNOWN THAT.THEN HE PROCEEDED TO GIVE THEM 10 MILLION DOLLARS TO PROP THEM UP AND STIFLE CRITICISM. EVIDENCE INDICATES HE WAS ALSO SIGNATORY TO A CONTRACT WHICH WOULD ALLOW MR PARRIS TO BE THE BENEFICIARY OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR GRATUITY WHICH IS OR WAS THE SUBJECT OF A COURT BATTLE; AND MR PARRIS REFERRED CRITICISM OF HIS DECISION TO WRITE UNAUTHORISED INSURANCE BUSINESS TO THE OFFICE OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE. HISTORY WILL PROBABLY TELL YOU THAT TGHIS IRRESPONSIBLE STATEMENT IS WHST PROBABLY ADDED TO MR THOMPSON’S STRESS LEVELS AND PERHAPS HINDERED HIS RECOVERY. I AM NOT SPECULATING ABOUT ANYTHING. MR THOMPSON WAS IN OFFICE FOR TWO BEFORE HE DIED AND HE PROMISED WITHIN 100 HUNDRED DAYS IN OFFICE TO SEVERAL THINGS WHICH HE DID NOT THE FREEDOM OF INTEGRITY LEGISLATION NOTWITHSTANDING. HE SIAD ALL OVER BARBADOS AND HIS SUPPORTERS AS WELL THAT THE COST OF LIVING WAS HIGH BECAUSE THE BLP WAS IN BED WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE AND THAT HE WAS GOING TO BRING IT DOWN. IT HAS NOW GONE SKY HIGH. WHEN THE PRICE OF OIL WAS HIGHER ON THE WORLD MARKET, I PAID SIGNIFICANTLY LESS FOR GAS AND ELECTRICITY FUEL CHARGE THAN I AM PAYING NOW. SO I AM NOT SPECULATING THERE IS NOTHING TO ENCOURAGE ME TO BELIEVE THAT MY 30.000 DOLLARS INVESTED IN POLICIES IN CLICO NWOULD BE SAFEGUARDED. SORRY MY FRIENDIF YOU WANT TO BE CAUGHT UP IN THIS STAGEMANAGED PLITICAL SELFSERVING NONSENSE WHEN THEY ARE PERSONS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE DONE SO MUCH WITHOUT RECOGNITION. PERHAPS EVEN YOUR GRANDMOTHER DID MORE.


  29. I totally agree that until Owen Arthur and his gang stop marginalising Mia Mottlet that the BLP will not win the next election even though the DLP don’t seem capable of running an effiecient Government.
    All now the DLP is in their reelection mode trying to keep David Thompson’s name alive. A man that promised so much and delivered so little. All I remember him for is his ability to drop little comments about this person and that person and all of this will come to an end with his election. He fooled us into believing the BLP was tired and didn’t know what it was doing and that the BLP was blaming the world situations for it not delivering to the people of Barbados but he have a team that can deliver to Barbados and show the BLP what to do. But as soon as he got into power all his promises went out through the window. He had achieved his life long goal and that was it. Not one promised fulfilled. I wish he was here now cause he have a lot to answer to us policy holders at Clico


  30. Yardbroom:

    I agree, Mia must take the floor for this ‘Party” to start. The music will play but the dancing cannot start – so Owen can dance all around the issue of his supporting Mia during his tenure as PM and now in Opposition giving the impression that she is not ‘fit’ for leadership. With the recent rains in Barbados any wool over our eyes was washed away.

    I said in an earlier post BLP has to tell the public the reason Mia was removed from leadership within her Party. No-one cares about Owen’s 14 years as PM today since his grand performance during the ailing and afterward death of Thompson. This is what is before us and he has to deal with it. He cannot start a political meeting without addressing this. People want to hear why he did what he did in 2010 taking his full support from Mia the then leader of the Opposition. He will have to state her inability to manage the position, and, her alleged ‘lifestyle’ is not going to be an acceptable answer, because, it is not proven that it inhibited her from performing her duties when she was the Oppostion Leader, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister with portfolios with Owen’s blessings.

    We are not Owen’s little children that he can come and say this discussion is not for you at this time. The electorate may remain silent and appreciate and accept certain activities as ‘politics’ like overthrowing A in support of B. However, when you say that you are taking a break and come back to say you will lead because of a person’s ‘lifestyle’ you are insulting the electorate.

    Owen can shout, scream, shake, bend, turn … but, until he states the reason for the change of leadership within his party dancing will not happen. Owen said that David Thompson was not fit to lead Barbados. For years that was the music and the dance of the BLP – just imagery. He cannot do it with Mia without stating fact because he gave her his ‘full’ support. His usual comment ‘forgive me, I am only human’ will not suffice now either.


  31. Does anyone know when the next Cadres Poll will be whether sponsored by the Nation newspaper or privately sponsored?


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    I also think Mia Mottley needs to come clean and tell the people why she THINKS that she was removed. This would put Owen on the defensive and he would have to come with his reasoning. My feeling is that neither Mia nor Owen wants to talk about it. She needs to eat some humble pie and get her act together, she’s still on track to become Barbados’ first female P.M ; it’s now up to her.


  33. Logic 101 says that if something occurred which necessitated the removal of Mia by Arthur, Payne and cohorts and both sides are silent then it becomes obvious. The reason why has implications for the party and possibly others within the party.


  34. DEAR MR OSA

    Please find below a few pointers on integrity that should help you deal with the challenges that are eating away at your moral body fabric and bothering your conscience:

    Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. ~Buddha

    To speak ill of others is a dishonest way of praising ourselves. ~Will Durant

    As soon as you concern yourself with the “good” and “bad” of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. ~Morihei Ueshiba

    Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other “sins” are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not a sin – just stupid.) ~Robert A. Heinlein

    To know what is right and not do it is the worst cowardice. ~Confucius

    PLEASE TELL US WHAT IS WRONG WITH MAM THAT YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES FOUND TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

    Saying that I made a massive error in judgment is not beyond you. After all, you did take blame for everything that went “wrong” under your watch and, by deduction, asked the Barbadian public to accept your frailty as a human being. Being humble, remorseful and asking for forgiveness are not signs of weakness but those of greatness that would help you overcome the demons still inside of you. Unless you put an end to this festering scandalous affair by letting the voting public know the basis for your actions or by re-engaging with MAM in an openly contrite and genuine manner, the sweetness of power might attend you with an incurable dose of political diabetes.


  35. millertheanunnaki
    We are just speculating, maybe it is something neither one of them wants to expose to the voting public. While it may seem wrong to the administrative body of the party, Mia might see nothing wrong with it, yet neither is willing to talk. Since it seems bad enough to bring the party into disrepute, I think it is on Mia to declare her hand or just eat humble pie and fall in line; the party has to be very careful of their mouthings since without clear evidence, they can be sued, and one of the parties involved is famous for that. What is sure NO MAN/WOMAN IS BIGGER THAN EITHER OF THE PARTIES.


  36. tHE NEXT GENERAL ELECTIONS WILL BE A TOSS-UP BETWEEN THE TWO MAJOR PARTIES Either one is capable of winning, but at this moment the DLP has its nose in front. However, a day in politics is a long time and things can change overnight, once the BLP can regroup the DLP would have a stiff challenge. However, whichever party is succesful, it would be in the country’s best interest that a strong opposition be formed to keep the ruling government in check


  37. @ Scout:
    Do you accept that in our neck of the democratic woods a person is innocent until proven guilty? It is OSA and his brigade that brought charges of “questionable lifestyle and unsuitability for high office” against MAM in the public.
    It is disingenuous of you to expect a person to appear in the court of public opinion to admit to and confess to actions that are not laid out in the prosecutors’ charge sheets.

    I totally disagree that the onus lies with MAM to initiate the process of rapprochement. She is NOT the one that initiated the breakdown of the political marriage and created the hiatus than will lead to political dismissal at the soon coming general elections if not patched up by her accusers by dropping the unfounded, unsubstantiated charges.
    Read again the quotes on integrity of character and see if your position remains the same.


  38. Scout:

    I notice that Mia distance herself from commenting in every forum including Branch meetings. She has not once said that she will address or attempt to address the actions of Owen at her Branch meetings. And, i agree with you that she needs to state her opinion as to why her colleagues including the Deputy she would have trusted and supported, agreed to remove her from office.

    Miller:
    Owen can ask for forgiveness again and again, that does not state why he did what he did to someone he lead an entire country to believe was capable based on his integrity. Owen lead the people of Barbados to believe beyond a shadow of doubt that Mia was a capable successor after he announced that he would take a break. Many praise Owen for a ‘sterling’ performance as PM (I don’t) and then respected and approved his leave of absence from being leader of Opposition – Owen then came back and said he will lead the Opposition – why??? He does not say, did not say? but, will he say?To regain that respect and approval he has to state facts. Therefore I agree with you that OSA should tell the people waht is wrong that he and his colleagues found MAM unacceptable. And, was it unpardonable seeing that he may be asking too for pardon.

    David:
    Owen can try to protect the party and lose every possibility of regaining respect among the electorate of Barbados. When people hear his name they will stupse and consider him a ‘poor’ leader because of the way he removed Mia after praising her. That is what Owen is facing – I say again – it has nothing to do with 14 years of PM but what happened after – when he could have taken up leadership immediately but did not.


  39. Yuh know, if Mia could say something that we could judge, the ‘five’ could be looking for seating at general elections. If it was that she took a decision on integrity to benefit the island she would hardly be scoffed. She can give an insight as to her activities during the time – as she does so eloquently – and then let the public decide where Owen and his team can step off or stay on. She remains silent and so we await Owen to state his reason other than personal views on lifestyle. A lifestyle issue in Barbados can be brought to the public and we will deal with it accordingly. Barbadians uphold integrity even if not by legislation.


  40. @ Scout:
    However, whichever party is successful, it would be in the country’s best interest that a strong opposition be formed to keep the ruling government in check.”

    If the current management of this country’s financial and economic business continues on its present course both the lame duck Government and its monkey-teasing opposition would have very little say in the decisions that would be taken. A new set of managers will be in charge- hired by the country’s overseas creditors who have decided not to extend further credit (snatch back /eat the credit card) or to call in the loans. It might be more palatable to accept the presence of the international mangers of finance (imf) than to play “poor great” and be visited by the bailiffs just to be laughed at by our envious and watchful neighbours who are just anxious to see Bim fall from its socio-economic pinnacle so that they can have a good laugh at our alleged pomposity.


  41. To be provocative Mia has a vested interested to clarify the matter in the public eyes given her political aspiration. The St. Joseph Hospital Inquiry and Sir Branford comes to mind.


  42. @Prodigal Son……..It was never my intention to draw you or anyone into matters of the heart,for all I did was state a few facts that you seem unable to refute.Mia was the same Mia she is today when she was made deputy,proclivities and all.This episode is made easier if you and others recognize and admit the opportunistic dealings of the so called master tactician,who seems to think that it is a birth-right of his to be Barbados’s Ruler.Time will tell the tale that you and others now seek to deny…..Ps… lets not concern ourselves with who is gay and who is not. Ya might mek me rename the B L P.


  43. Mia Mottley does not need advice from the likes of me, but she should not speak on this matter. I say this without any self interest but only to be reasonable.

    It is for her accusers to bring the charge with evidence to substantiate the charge, and then she can defend herself. She cannot be expected to lay a charge against herself for others to say oh no! it was not that,it was something else.

    I am not taking sides here, but trying to have a balanced view in the interest of fairness to all parties.


  44. @ Yardbroom:
    So you are with me on this one! MAM is innocent until proven (or even assumed) guilty. It is only by the submission of evidence, albeit inconclusive and circumstantial, that we the jury can have a feel for the intricacies of the case brought before us. Unless the prosecutor and witnesses can offer a semblance or thread of evidence to support the charges before the court of public opinion, CASE DISMISSED!!
    Yardbroom, Sweep these accusers out of the Court yard! We have seen a similar ploy in the scene where Jesus was sent before Pilate. No evidence, just malice! (Please don’t jump to the conclusion that I am putting MAM on the same plane or cross as Jesus Christ). Far from, MAM has her shortcomings just like us all but deserves a fair hearing but only after charges understandable to the public are laid.


  45. Wasn’t Mia invited to a meeting at their Roebuck Street Headquarters the day before she was to be removed as leader to make her case and defend herself and she bluntly refused to do so citing that the invitation was shared with the media? She is a lawyer and one wonders why she did not want to defend herself as commonsense would tell you that something had to happen to cause her removal.

    As far as I can see, the BLP does not have to even invite her to the party if she thinks she is so damn important. Without the BLP, she would not be that important, do you really think the Dems want her? She needs the BLP!


  46. WHY cant I find Questions to ask on this particular thread ????

    IF Owen Arthur was so Bad, Howcum I did not hear that before ???
    WHY should I believe people talking nonsense about Owen Arthur ????
    WHA’ Owen do some o wunna ????
    YOU dont know that some people does mek yuh laugh with the mek -up stories about our public figures ????


  47. Home you bring christian understanding to the BLP yardfowls who make it seem like Owen will win elections on a canter after the trailer load of lashes he hold less than a year ago in St. John. What utter crap. The DLP is trying its utmost in the worst prolonged recession in modern times. They cant deliver on a few of their promises because there is no finance to do so and the reason this is so is because USA, Britain and the Euopean countries are catching their royal asses economically. They are our major trading partners for Gods sake. Owen can talk all the drunken economics he wants he dont have the magic bullet Obama, Cameron, Sarkozy etc cant find. He too will have to scrunt in power so bring him back to do what take cruel revenge on the people who he believe voted his ass out. No way I say the Dems are fighting the good fight for the people and society of Barbados.

    The educated and deep thinker who is Bdos’ PM is in no one’s pocket and thats a good yet rare thing. Cant say the same about Owen and his Prior Park rustlers who ambushed poor Mia. Their Waterloo is on its way dont fret what goes around comes around. No brief for Mia but on the ground the support and admiration for her surpasses that for the APM gang. My own survey reveals the Dems will retain the government to continue their honest hard work to earn foreign exchange for citizens and to house and progress the people of this great island state. Owen is the past . It is important we make him stay there.


  48. It is not in OSA’s DNA to reveal or explain why Mia was removed so wunnah could call till the cows come home and be none de wiser.

    The only offer that Owen could make to Mia to get her back on board would be to surrender his job to her, so unless OSA makes her an offer she can’t refuse the dance floor will be empty.

    Speaking of dancing I just remembered this oldie…. if that Mocking bird don’t sing he’s gonna buy me diamond ring…..that’s it he gonna buy her a diamond ring.


  49. Parliamentarians have the right to choose a leader, and to change their mind if they want. I been in town too long. I did not know that Arthur or Ms. Mottley could make themselves leader.I was in town when Branford and Barrow fall out; when Adams and Bree fall out. It ain’ do a thing to the election chances. Fail to see why the unseemly removal of Mascoll did not affect DLP chances, and the removal of Ms. Mottley will make a diference to BLP chances. Politicians used to gather in my father shop talk, quarrel and cuss one another. Some get some good blows, but took it in good part. And mind you I never see any of them carry on to endanger the party or country, but it might be a woman ting. To me Bajans right now concerned about the crisis in their pocket and want somebody to do something about it. While some feel for her I do not know that they will saddle themselves with this inept incompetent government for five more years because she is not leader. The Bajan public do not have confidence in her to deal with this situation, I think they would consider her down the road, but certainly not now. So what is the problem? For Bajans to put in the dems because Ms. Mottley get tek down, dey head would want examining. I still feel that she can lead. Some like her, just wait her chance, others will get past the lifestyle.


    • @Bajan Truth

      Your position is flawed. Mascoll was replaced by a leader who was vastly popular than he ws on the national front and to boot he succumb to the politics of inclusion so there was no perception of in house conflict after he went over, in fact it was removed.


  50. David, but if memory serves, there was discontent in a small section of DLP over the matter, as is the case in the BLP. After his dismissal Mascoll did not seek to exploit it and manipulate national emotions to play out an agenda. He left and went the other side. All the polls to date demonstrate that Arthur is more popular than Ms. Mottley, Stuart, or Sinkler. This is depsite the fact that Peter W. has tried to revise the published numbers of a poll to suggest ms. Mottley was two point sbehind Arthur. never published such a thing in 2010. Arthur is the most popular. So what is your point, David?


  51. @Bajan Truth

    The point is that it is Mia’s right to take the political path she wishes. If our read is correct Mascoll has suffered politically for his decision and many believe because of the decision to cross the floor he has been relegated to the political dustbin of history.

    To fast forward Arthur now finds himself having to wrestle the St. James constituency from a loyal BLP servant to sneak Mascoll into the lower house.


  52. the manner in which both mr mascoll and miss mottley was taken down was and is despicable in both cases. the situations are similar. mr thompson noting mr mascolls somewhat success in obtaining more seats under mr mascoll’s leadership and observing a growing discontent by the electorate and with his trump card clico cheque in hand sensed victory and aided and abetted by the black elite negrocrats masquerading as grassroots in the party clandestinely plotted to remove their only grassroots politician whom he undermined in parliament by his silence. the evidence is there for all to see. i see such satirical rubbish in the paper suggesting that had mr mascoll play loopy dog like mr kellman and mr estwick by now he and not mr stuart would have profited from mr thompson’s demise. utter rubbish. we might not like his decision which i considered hasty but in the overerall scheme of things i do no know how he could have remained in a party which progresses to be grassroots and treated him like that. now in miss mottley’s case, bajan truth, mr arthur too sensed victory realising the deficiencies in the party without mr thompson’s leadership and plotted to to regain the reins of power but again bajan truth it is the manner in which her removal was done and the vile comments made by mr arthur against a colleague whom he elevated. mr arthur needs to explain his actions as well as the circumstances surrounding the receipt of the cheque from clico. i understand that both parties receive campaign contributions but i want to know if the cheque remained in mr arthur’s personal bank account or was transferred to the account of the party. if not, no matter how well in my estimation he has managed the economy, he has been found to be a thief and is not fit to hold office.


  53. @balance

    By deliberate leaving the St. Joseph matter unresolved rumour was allowed to ferment which was a political death knell for Sir Brandford.

    Not that in the cases of Mascoll and Mottley is the right of the parliamentary group to support the leader of their choice. This is not the argument here.


  54. Fuh real, you could want to be leader you colleagues got to vote for you, they did not. You cannot grab it, the question should be put to Ms. Mottley’s colleagues, and it would seem she nor them relish verbalising the answers. I keep hearing talk about the way it was done. Whether Mascoll or Ms. Mottley like it or not people have to get together and vote. That is no crime.The only difference between Mascoll and Ms. Mottley’s story is that Mascoll asked for the opportunity to do it in a way to save face, let him resign and hand over, but according to him, Thompson chose to humiliate him by sending to the Gov. General behind his back, despite his offer. Thompson is a nasty scoundrel, very Machiavellian. In Ms. Mottley’s case according to them, they had a meeting invited her to provide a chance to put a united front but she refused. Instead held a demonstration, what childishness. People are not obligated to have a person as leader, you do not own the leadership. All the talk about democracy and she cannot respect people’s democratic vote. What was nasty was Arthur going on TV several months in front, to strike back at her unfortunate remarks that she was supposed to have made publicly to their national conference. Balance -The money you should be asking about is the millions given to DLP for the last election and millions for this one, that come from Clico, which got the resources 300m in assets missing. Robbing Bajans of what is their right that is what Bajans will be mad as hell about next election, silence aint contentment. You should ask if Thompson get back his money while telling Bajans to keep paying, the company is sound. If you had any balance or objectivity you would recognise that 300m that mek paupers out of honest hardworking Barbadians surely deserves more attention from you.


  55. The Mascoll and Mottley cases are different Mascoll was democratically voted out as leader of the DLP by the full party even as he abruptly left the leadership of the party and crossed the floor in one of the most disgraceful acts in local political history. Mascoll was plotting with Arthur long before that making his cross over much more distasteful.

    Mottley was double crossed and backstabbed in secrecy. Two completely different scenarios.


  56. David don mek muh laugh how he is on a dump heap. Simmons cross he not in a dump heap, Hammie cross and will win again, others cross but end on the heap. Unless you are clairvoyant, how is Mascoll on the political dump heap. I think he lost last time by 200 votes, in a major swing away from the Bees and piles of money spend in a hand to mout constituency. Check yuh crystal ball again, and it will tell you, its too early to call if he finds a constituency.


  57. Passing thru – you was dey because no such info came out. What was back stabbing,tell us more because the papers only stated they had a meeting to discuss voting again for a new leader, what is wrong, they called a meeting and invited her, what was wrong, They met and did the vote what is wrong. When they voted for her the first time were they backstabbing Arthur, when she called for a second vote when there was unrest and Arthur was making his move, they voted for her and decided to make it unanimous, did they back stab Arthur. When they voted next time they voted for Arthur, did they back stab her. That is politics, voting and democracy get over it. Making ten mountains out of a loss at a poll,like it is the last chance. Wheel she can still win their vote.


  58. @ Bajan Truth

    I think he lost last time by 200 votes, in a major swing away from the Bees and piles of money spend in a hand to mout constituency
    **************

    Heh Heh heh. Never thought I’d live to see the day when a political operative refers to a constituency as “hand to mout”. It has me wondering if there are affluent constituencies which may be more suitable for BLP candidates.

    The politician whom you are advising would be wise to ignore it, and I recommend a course in “How to Win Friends” before you comment on politics again.


  59. @Bajan Truth

    It is not that he may not win again more that his legacy has been forever tainted as a politician. Does not mean he can find a way to deliver some modicum of contribution.


  60. In Barbados many leaders have been changed overtime and without any fallout. Grantley Adams replaced Freddie Miller in the 1966 elections. Errol Barrow after he had resigned the leadership in 1976 came back. Sleepy Smith is reported to have said that once Barrow was there he was only subbing.Thompson replaced Mascoll in 2006.the Dems felt they had a better chance with Thompson and they chose him. Leaders cannot and do not choose themselves. they serve at the behest of their colleagues and must have the confidence of their backers to lead. Owen replaced Mia with the majority of members voting for Owen. He could not say he wanted the job and get it.Bear in mind a year perviously Mia had the qualified support of the team..the BLP must have believed that in the present circumstances that Owen Arthur was their best bet. The elections will prove whether this is right ofr wrong. but I detect a mortal fear of Owen Arthur from the Dems and they believe that trying to demonise Owen will make their case. I doubt it. The people of Barbados know Arthur. They know of his shortcomings and they know of his successes. Among this crowd Owen is a colossus. Owen Arthur has been the most successful and effective PM Barbados has ever had bar none. His record is living proof of work well done and a man who has served his people well. the Dems have floundered they have committed mistakes ,bleeps and blunders at an alarming rate. No on could do worse if they tried.. The Dems must defend their record. Arthur record is clear it is one of success and it is visible on the landscape of Barbados. Think on these things


  61. Hell bent on the destruction of the Democratic Labour Party Owen Seymour Arthur engaged in a campaign of torture, torment and intimidation against anyone that dared to make known their support for the Dems.That tactic was quickly followed by the dangling of enticements,a move that caught only the fickle and the opportunistic,of which one Clyde Mascoll heads the cast of characters.Prayer tell us all BAJAN TRUTH, how does one spend one’s entire life preaching from the old testament and at the drop of a hat comes denouncement of that very doctrine.Mind you this is not just a lay person of which we speak,this is the voice that wills the flock.Do you not see where integrity,loyalty and trust will certainly be questioned? Let me not get side tracked with the lack of political acumen of this Stepney( and i get dat from owen) lets focus on the root of the problem that now haunts the Labour party.Owen Arthur has to deliver on the promises that came in the package of enticement,and to do such he has to be the leader.We were told of his choice for the position of Co-Leader.Dare I say that this prospect is as fictional as The Republic Of Barbados,a thought that just happened to coincide with the campaign to destroy the Dems. Discount or discredit the female vote all you want Mr.Bajan Truth,”de women in bim”may well have a voice that some will not very soon forget.In the still of the night Mia Mottley fell victim to “de old boys club” all because Owen Arthur has to find a way to pay the piper.Karma suggests that the song the Piper played was entitled The Last Post.As Bajans can we be so lucky?As always time holds the answer.


  62. those headlines are misleading. in all it is only18% which gives a poor grade. The Barbadian people are not all that dumb anybody can read numbers that are skewed for sentimentalism. The real story is 82% of people gives a favourable grade to government .


  63. @ ac:
    “The Barbadian people are not all that dumb anybody can read numbers that are skewed for sentimentalism. The real story is 82% of people gives a favourable grade to government.”

    There are three types of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
    Which lie is that you just told?
    Would you say that from the recent IMF report that the Government scored is excess of 80% on performance?


  64. WHY is Freundel Stuart still Prime Minister of Barbados ????
    WHY is Chris Sinckler not taken over like how Holiness has taken over in Jamaica ??


  65. @ Just Asking:
    Because CS is still wet behind the ears and must first prove his mettle as a ‘competent’ Minister of Finance!


  66. WHY has -Chris Sinckler not taken over the Prime Minister ??
    IF Chris becomes PM , will Kellman still hold a ministry ??
    Will Arni Walters regain his prominence ?
    Will the DEMS win the next election even though they want to lose it ???
    WILL we get an election in 2012 May ???


  67. @ JUST ASKING:
    “DO we want Chris -YES or NO ?????”
    YES!! BUT ONLY AS MINISTER OF FINANCE & ECONOMIC AFFAIRS FOR THE DURATION OF THIS SESSION OF PARLIAMENT!!
    If the Dems were to be re-elected with FS as PM,CS will not be in charge of Finance. FS would be emboldened by his electoral victory and with this mandate appoint his deceased friend’s brother to the position of exchequer as promised in the “time longer than twine’ compromise.


  68. @miller
    it ain;t that tell the big Whopper of the Lie .,It is the daily rag

    20% Good
    40% Fair
    22% don’t know
    that is a total of 82% favorability

    18% Poor..
    Even if the 22% is removed that still gives the government a 60% favourable view in these harsh economic times. Now OSA must be saying to himself ” Barbadians must be real r..ss hole to be giving the country favourable ratings . Now MIA must be beginning to look like Xmas morning to OSA ‘all gift wrapped.


  69. ac you are bang on target the survey’s real story is only 18% Bajans voted government doing a poor job .Owen huffing and puffing still no traction for him and the co-leader. BarbadosToday like The Nation always on the look out to make governmentt look bad. Trinidad government is rated worse than Barbados according to the survey.


  70. and them 22% wishy washy . It all depends on the weather . Something like Scout i would put him in the 22% . But by election time them 22% would be split most of them independent. So the DLP must do all they can to court them. Them de kind that love to save they money.


  71. Now we all know that the management of our public affairs by this Government has been less than stellar, but the attempt to canonize Owen Arthur by BLP operatives is nothing short of a sick joke. Yes he was successful, but he also failed to restructure and retool our economy when he had the chance. In fact, we would not now be in such a poor rakey condition had he done so. There is absolutely no doubt about this.

    To all those who feel that Miss Mottley has no support and refuse to accept that the public needs to be assured that the Party in Government is settled and united you have to look no further than the 14 years the BLP was in office and the Dems were in Opposition. It don’t take an Einstein to see that as soon as the Dems finally settled down and chose their most popular leader, coupled with the unanswered questions about corruption by Arthur that the electorate was prepared to give them a chance.

    What many people here overlook is the part that George Payne has played in the overthrow of Miss Mottley. Where was the meeting held? At his house. What we should be asking is what is the deal that was struck between him and Owen Arthur and who will outfox whom if they regain the seat of power. Bajans would be well advised to keep these two men as far away from any position of power as they can.

    I have heard enough stories from his victims to know that Owen Arthur is the most vindictive PM ever to rule this country. People used to say that Tom Adams was vindictive, but Arthur makes him look like Mother Teresa.

    The fact remains that the public feels that these men un-faired Mia Mottley. WIll it influence how they vote? It is a possibility among some BLP supporters who I have heard say they will not be voting next election. The fact that there is disunity in the party is likely to have far greater resonance among the wider public.

    As far as the Government’s performance goes, does anybody remember how Bajans marched against Sandiford and then gave him another chance. Has anything changed to make them act any differently this time around? I doubt it, since unemployment at even 12% does not compare to the 24% percent that decimated so many families back in 1994 when they finally had enough of Sandiford. Not to say that our economy is not precariously perched, but it seems that the public does not yet realize this.

    So we will see who going be dancing come the morning after elections.


  72. DAVID I THINK IT WAS DELIBERATELY LEFT UNRESOLVED BECAUSE THE SYSTEM ACROSS THE DIVIDE DID NOT WASNT TO TARNISH THE REPUTATION AND GOOD NAME OF ONE OF ITS OWN. WHY HASN’T THE DLP RELEASE THE REPORT AS PROMISED? REMEMBER TOO IN THE HEIGHT OF ALL THE RUMOR AS YOU CALL IT, MR TAITT WAS ACCOMPANYING MISS MILLAR ALL AROUND THE GLOBE TRYING TO INFLUENCE COUNTRIES TO SUPPORT THE NOMINATION OF SIR GEORGE ALLEYNE TO ONE OF THESE IN MY VIEW DON’T DO ANYTHING PRESTIGIOUS BODIES. NOTICE HOW THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE HAS BEEN FINE TUNED TO THE ART OF PLAYING US FOR SUCKERS.


  73. BAJAN TRUTH DO NOT GET HOT. I AGREE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU SAY SHOULD BE ASKED SHOULD BE ASKED AND I ASK ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE NEWS.MR THOMPSON ACCUSED MR ARTHUR OF RECEIVING A PERSONAL CHEQUE FROM CLICO WHICH MR ARTHUR PLACED IN HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AND MR THOMPSON SUPPORTED THE ACCUSATION BY EXPOSING THE EVIDENCE FOR ALL TO SEE..MR ARTHUR HAS NEVER TO MY SATISFACTION AND OTHERS EXPLAINED THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE RECEIPT OF THE CHEQUE. ALL I ASK BAJAN TRUTH IS IF THE CHEQUE WAS TO HELP THE PARTY WITH CAMPAIGN FUNDING, DID IT FIND IT’S WAY INTO THE PARTY,S COFFERS, IF NOT WHY NOT? PURE AND SIMPLE. SINCE THE EXPOSITION, MR ARTHUR WAS NEVR HIS FORMER SELF AND ONLY REGAINED A LITTLE STING SINCE THE SICKNESS AND DEATH OF HIS NEMESIS; AFTER MR THOMPSON EXPOSED THE INFELICITY, HIS BITE LEFT HIM AND THE USUAL BITING REPLY TO THE OPPOSITION LEADER’S REPLY WAS NOT TO BE. ON THE OTHER HAND, MR ARTHUR HAS NOT SO ASED OR EXPOSED MR THOMPSON NOR IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE COMMENT THAT HE OR THE PARTY RECEIVED 300MILLION OR WHATEVER YOU SAY IT IS FROM CLICO. I HAVE NO BRIEF FOR MR ARTHUR. I AM ON RECORD ON THIS FORUM OF PRISING MR ARTHUR FOR HIS ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT OVER THE LAST 14 FOR MANAGING TWO BIT ECONOMIES LIKE BARBADOS WHERE FREENESSES ABOUND IS NO EASY TASK AS THE DLP IS NOW FINDING OUT , BUT LEADERS MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE MORESO THAN OTHERS AND MR THOMPSON MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS IN RELATION TO CLICO.


  74. @j for jerome
    no one has to canonise Arthur. he is as human as any one of us. The facts are that he has been successful experienced and gave account of his srtewardship. you just call a spade a spade. This economy was retooled under Arthur, check out tourism, the sugar industry , the cultual lindustries , the tax system, .the offshore banking sector and manufacturing. You will see changes , diversification but we can get back to that.Tthe problem is that the DEMS must take the baton and move on in these areas.

    If you think Mia is the best leader then invite her to lead the Dems. you would have the besat of both worlds. you would be able to praise her and she would lead a party you like , but I doubt it I thiink you live in morrtal fear of Owen. You are afraid that as Owen is the leader you will have little chance of winning. The second eleven which the Demis have is no match for Owen who has experience success and capabality. the Dems are piss poor and their mistakes are many.

    TIhe problem with this group is not only the level of unemployment . It is also the cost of living. The government has shown no ability in this area . It was a hoax to pretend they could do something about it. i know you are disappointed, but hope is on the way. Keep your chin up.Owen is not your problem . He is your solution Think on these things


    • The BLP annual conference to be held this weekend none of the post will be contested.

      Jerome Walcott – Chairman
      Dale Marshall – 1st VP
      Maria Agard – 2nd VP
      Treasurer – Doug Skeete


  75. Think on what true to form the stinking conspiracy to topple Rawle Eastmond and insert Clyde Mascoll or the sinister dipsy doodling to shift Cynthia Forde for Mascoll and Arthur to cherry pick her seat. Bajans not foolish they are thinking on these things.
    The gulf between Mia and Owen is so wide the $65 million the BLP saddled taxpayers with in payment to shoddy contractor Barrack could not fill it. We are thinking a party with such a deep rift is a recipe for disaster if they get a sniff of politcal power.


  76. @ enuff;
    With a rating so high it would be political advantageous to call election just after the party’s 4th year in office. There is no need to carry on with mandate given to the David Thompson Administration. FS should go the electorate and seek his own mandate thereby securing an additional 5 year term where he can be his own man, wear his own shoes and silence his internal enemies.

    What doeth thou, FS?


    • If Stuart did not call elections one year ago after Thompson’s death when he would have been a shooin, why would he now?

      Stuart has no choice but to go the tern now.


  77. @David: “Stuart has no choice but to go the tern (sic) now.

    Well, duhhh….

    The real question now is, what will the electorate do when they are allowed to express their opinion.

    Will they simply switch the Government?

    Or will they hold their elected officials to account?


  78. @ David:
    “Stuart has no choice but to go the tern now”
    Stuart has more chances of winning the elections if called within the 1st half of 2012 than later. If things continue as they are, the economy will be in such a bind Stuart will be forced to call elections because of the unpopular measures that must be taken. The sooner the better.


  79. @enuff
    With all the internal theatrics that has befallen the BLP. Stuart isn;t in any hurry to call election as in the meantime the BLP implodes from within.called elections for what. The BLP has already given him an easy win.


  80. @true to form.

    Your form, like Owen’s, is clearly only temporary.

    Pray tell us how he retooled the sugar industry. Three years after he was dumped, the sugar industry is on the verge of collapse. I know the BLP had plans, most of which the Dems are finally bringing on stream, (perhaps too late) but Owen dilly dallied on sugar agriculture for far too long.

    Same thing with International Business. Much more could have been done to keep Barbados on the cutting edge and cut out some of the bureaucratic red tape. Again we have fallen behind the curve here and the Dems have not helped the situation. Did you hear Connie Smith’s comments?

    Tourism was only slightly better off, but still not in a position to withstand the current recession and several properties have in fact closed. Or are you talking about GEMS?

    Restructured manufacturing? You got to be living someplace else.

    I agree that he reformed the personal tax system and I give him full marks for this.

    Restructuring means diversification and new economic activity. New and more efficient ways of doing old things. Where are the examples of this? In may ways we are worse off than we were in the 70’s and 80’s. I agree that the BLP encouraged micro business through grant funding, but how many of these people are still in business today?

    Honest, impartial economists will tell you that his last five years in office were unimaginative and regressive as far as economic progress is concerned.

    The man did a good job for almost two terms before arrogance, greed and sloth took over. You have not convinced me that he still has the energy or the interest to take us beyond where he ended and without Mia Mottley as a back up he will continue to be nothing more than a good memory – a piece of nostalgia.

    And before you decry my judgement of Mottley as his back up, I heard a former BLP Senator publicly recall that for the final term she chaired not only most of the Cabinet Meetings, but the Parliamentary Party meetings as well. We ordinary folk would not have known this, but we do know that his attendance at Parliament was spotty to put the best complexion on it.

    SImply put I do not want an old man with questionable health looking after my future, no matter how much experience he has. How is his experience going to help me when he can’t even make it into the office.

    The problem with the present administration is that they have taken far too long to get up to speed. So we Bajans are really between a rock and a hard place. Who will be the lesser of two evils? That is one of the reasons why people who can think for themselves feel betrayed by Payne and Arthur’s ouster of Miss Mottley. She proved, and continues to do so, that she had her finger on the pulse with the deficit and CLICO. Her speech to the Chamber of Commerce is the only example to date of fresh ideas and new ways of doing old things better.

    You may be able to fool some of the people with your talk of experience, but I been in town too long to believe that you can teach an old dog new tricks. All of Arthur’s recent pronouncements have been down the same old line, when we live in a very different world from 1994.

    I pray every night that my children will be alright, but the future of our country does not look rosy given either of our present choices of Prime Minister.


  81. @jfor jerome
    It is clear that there are somethings on which we can agree. But i wish to go back to the question of restructuring annd re-tooling the economy. A government can only do so much . A government is not an investor ,it is simply there to provide the enabling environment for the investors and then for these investors should run with the ideas . Let me state up front it is impossible to expect that in an economy the size of Barbados,and with a tootal value of only about 10 billion dollars to radically change our export base . We are in competition with a host of countries which can do every thing we do at a greater comparative advantage so we have to be selective in our re-structuring. I think that the word re structuring is to strong a word. We have to tinker, change , modify in small bits to make any real change We simply do not have the finances to make a full restructing work. The Arthur government in its limited way tried to make some changes and you MUIST give him credit for it.
    One of tthe biggest contoversial decisions was the decision on Gems. The state of the hotel plants on the South Coast was run down , room stock was depressed while tourism on the West Coast was moving up, .The government took a decision to refurbish hotels and guest houses by governmnet injecting new investment on the South Coast. This did not work wiell but I want you to understand it caused many hotel owmners to retool and bring their properties up to date, That is the work of government, to facilitate and bring to parties to a place where more investment is coming,. the govbernment knocked down the old Hiliton as a means of ensuring that it remains current and attratctive to the type of visitor. That move paid dividends. so that small changes have been made. We had begun to attract brand name hotel chains but it seems that the recession has put a hold on that .

    I think that if George Hutson has any decency ,he would have tendered his resignation already. The international Business Sector was the fast area of international growth in this economy. The last govbernment negotiatiated the European Partnership Agreement EPA and with it come some important strictures. This governemnt had a great advantage over the rest of the Caribbean but the advantage was going to be short lived so we had to move quickly. The minister has been able to do nothing so far. This is horendous and the blame has to laid fully at the feet of the minister .This was building out the exconomy when the last government was so aggressive on this front Credit must be given here and we must not pooh pooh this . I accept that in Agriculture and in the Cultural Iindusties Barbados was only iin the crawling steps of the change and some would say we did not even get tthat far .you will have to say that these would have been controversial areas given the capital to be expanded and the possble returns on these investments bearing iin mind we we going to a one factory option. It will take a brave man to give a Governmnent over 200 million dollars to sustain moves in a cane industry when it is not even breaking even. In the present economic climate many of these plan must be put on hold. even in good times some of the plans would have been risky. .

    On the question of leadership I repeat you cannot lead yourself and when callled upon by your colleagues you have a duty to answer the call. .Mr Arthur is competent capable and has a record second to none in the area of economic policy and success , You cannot bring ihealth into this. PM Stuart fel ill in St John in the Byelection. You may feel concern but if you are a not a doctor then it is a non point. Wish them well in ther endeavpours I will return to the other points in another post. Think on these things


  82. @jfor jerome
    It is clear that there are somethings on which we can agree. But i wish to go back to the question of restructuring and re-tooling the economy. A government can only do so much . A government is not an investor ,it is simply there to provide the enabling environment for the investors and then for these investors should run with the ideas . Let me state up front it is impossible to expect that in an economy the size of Barbados,and with a tootal value of only about 10 billion dollars to radically change our export base . We are in competition with a host of countries which can do every thing we do at a greater comparative advantage so we have to be selective in our re-structuring. I think that the word re structuring is to strong a word. We have to tinker, change , modify in small bits to make any real change We simply do not have the finances to make a full restructing work. The Arthur government in its limited way tried to make some changes and you MUIST give him credit for it.
    One of tthe biggest contoversial decisions was the decision on Gems. The state of the hotel plants on the South Coast was run down , room stock was depressed while tourism on the West Coast was moving up, .The government took a decision to refurbish hotels and guest houses by governmnet injecting new investment on the South Coast. This did not work wiell but I want you to understand it caused many hotel owmners to retool and bring their properties up to date, That is the work of government, to facilitate and bring to parties to a place where more investment is coming,. the govbernment knocked down the old Hiliton as a means of ensuring that it remains current and attratctive to the type of visitor. That move paid dividends. so that small changes have been made. We had begun to attract brand name hotel chains but it seems that the recession has put a hold on that .

    I think that if George Hutson has any decency ,he would have tendered his resignation already. The international Business Sector was the fast area of international growth in this economy. The last govbernment negotiatiated the European Partnership Agreement EPA and with it come some important strictures. This governemnt had a great advantage over the rest of the Caribbean but the advantage was going to be short lived so we had to move quickly. The minister has been able to do nothing so far. This is horendous and the blame has to laid fully at the feet of the minister .This was building out the exconomy when the last government was so aggressive on this front Credit must be given here and we must not pooh pooh this . I accept that in Agriculture and in the Cultural Iindusties Barbados was only iin the crawling steps of the change and some would say we did not even get tthat far .you will have to say that these would have been controversial areas given the capital to be expanded and the possble returns on these investments bearing iin mind we we going to a one factory option. It will take a brave man to give a Governmnent over 200 million dollars to sustain moves in a cane industry when it is not even breaking even. In the present economic climate many of these plan must be put on hold. even in good times some of the plans would have been risky. .

    On the question of leadership I repeat you cannot lead yourself and when callled upon by your colleagues you have a duty to answer the call. .Mr Arthur is competent capable and has a record second to none in the area of economic policy and success , You cannot bring ihealth into this. PM Stuart fel ill in St John in the Byelection. You may feel concern but if you are a not a doctor then it is a non point. Wish them well in ther endeavpours I will return to the other points in another post. Think on these things


  83. David, I promised not to enter this Owen/Mia merry go round, and with good reason too.On the one hand we have an old washed up esx or practicising egomaniac and a woman clearly very poor as a street fighter who did not see what was about to hit her; they are fighting over the inheritance as to who should have the lion share. While I have always been a secret admirer of Mia; she has always been poor as a tactician and it pains me to see her once again on the outside looking in. I predict that she will one day become PM of this little rock before long. Besides her lifestyle is her own and what the hell it has to do with anybody what she does when her bedroom door is closed. So long as she can lead the country effectively , what is the problem?
    Owen’s ego is such that he will not go away and quite frankly wanting to supplant Mia with grasshopper Mascoll as his successor will not wash . As I keep telling Mia, when the time is right , just before Owen lead the fools over the cliff, they will come and ask Mia to lead them to the promised land on her terms.
    HD

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