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muslim_mafiaIt is no secret to BU the 911 event which occurred in New York on the 11 September 2001 has added to tensions between the Muslim and Christian worlds. The reported terrorist acts which resulted in the demolition of the Twin Towers, damaged to the Pentagon and tragically resulted in the loss of many lifes has scared world history. The act was tracked to the Al Qaeda network by the US authorities and predictably the fallout has reverberated across the world. During the last US Presidential Election Campaign the foreign policy the candidates would adopt if elected was placed under heavy scrutiny especially concerning the current conflicts in Muslim  Iraq, Afghanistan and for other reasons Iran. To President Barack Obama’s credit he fulfilled a campaign promise when he delivered a speech targeting his message at the Muslim world back in May designed to ease tension. He demonstrated courage and imagination by travelling to Egypt to do so.

Eight years later BU is not sure there has been any deflation of tensions even though President Obama has been able to benefit by being awarded a Nobel Peace prize significantly attributed to his efforts at enabling a climate which encourages peace.

It must concern President Obama now that he carries the weight of being a Nobel Laureate; the unravelling revelation in a book just released that the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has been fingered in a memo obtained through Paul Sperry’s newest book Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America, CAIR lays out plans to place interns in the Committees on the Judiciary, Intelligence, and Homeland Security for the purpose of influencing policy.

Interesting indeed, so what does the future hold?

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‘Now we have proof’ jihadis infiltrating D.C.

Congress seizes on explosive new book based on daring undercover CAIR probe

In the wake of the sensational ACORN video sting operation by two young investigators, an even more daring, dangerous and devastating undercover investigation – this one infiltrating the nation’s most aggressive Muslim “civil rights” organization for six months – has resulted in stunning revelations about the supposedly “moderate” group, backed up by 12,000 pages of documents and 300 hours of covert video obtained during the secret op.

As revealed in a new book detailing the operation and its findings, the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is not the beneficent Muslim civil-rights group it claims to be. Rather, as indisputable evidence now shows, CAIR and other “mainstream” Islamic groups are acting as fronts for a well-funded conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood – the parent of al-Qaida and Hamas – to infiltrate and destroy the American system.

Until now, CAIR has remained a powerful force in the nation’s capitol and across the country, from demanding the Obama administration stop FBI counter-terrorism tactics to compelling a school district to apologize to Muslims.

That influence, many believe, may be coming to an end, as a result of the stunning undercover investigation — which included the son of a veteran counter-terrorism investigator, who grew a beard and converted to Islam, as well as two veiled female interns.

CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad shakes hands with intern Chris Gaubatz, aka David Marshall, at CAIR’s national headquarters in Washington, D.C., in 2008

“Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America,” a WND Books publication by counter-terrorism investigator Dave Gaubatz and “Infiltration” author Paul Sperry, documents CAIR’s ultimate purpose to transform the United States into an Islamic nation under the authority of the Quran.

The book already has prompted action on Capitol Hill.

With evidence from “Muslim Mafia” in hand, U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., co-founder of the Congressional Anti-Terror Caucus, and other members of Congress – including Reps. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., and Paul Broun, R-Ga. – plan to hold a press conference today in Washington calling for an investigation and an end to political lobbying by front groups such as CAIR.

“Now we have proof – from the secret documents that this investigative team has uncovered, coupled with the ones recently declassified by the FBI – that [radical Islamists] agents living among us have a plan in place, and they are successfully carrying out that subversive plan,” Myrick writes in the foreword to “Muslim Mafia.”

Noting that CAIR has tried to hide its strategy, finances, membership, internal disputes and much more from public view since its founding in 1994, Islam expert Daniel Pipes lauded “Muslim Mafia” for definitively exposing the “tawdry and often illegal inner workings of radical Islam’s most aggressive organization in North America.”

“The revelations in this book should both put CAIR out of business and permanently discredit the Islamist cause,” Pipes said.

Undercover

The book begins as a real-life, heart-pounding thriller, with Chris Gaubatz, the son of co-author David Gaubatz, preparing to go underground as an intern for CAIR at its Herndon, Va., office.

Astoundingly, the younger Gaubatz, posing as a bearded Muslim convert, ends up with a position at CAIR’s national office in Washington, just three blocks from the U.S. Capitol building, working alongside top leaders Ibrahim Hooper, Nihad Awad and Corey Saylor.

Along with declassified government documents, the book unveils thousands of e-mails, faxes and internal memos that were never meant for public viewing.

Chris Gaubatz and CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper working the CAIR booth at the 45th annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America in Columbus, Ohio, in 2008

The new evidence shows that CAIR – already designated an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terror-financing case in U.S. history – is part of an organized crime network in America made up of more than 100 other Muslim front groups that collectively comprise the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood.

“Muslim Mafia” also exposes the inner workings of the mob-like Brotherhood and explains its broader conspiracy of infiltrating the American government and “destroying Western civilization from within.”

“The evidence found in the investigation is incontrovertible,” said co-author Sperry, noting that the book has more than 40 pages of footnotes and an appendix with more than 50 pages of exclusive confidential documents.

The Brotherhood is known within Islamist circles as the “Ikhwan mafia” because of its highly organized structure, centralized control and covert operations. CAIR, reveals “Muslim Mafia,” is one part of the network of front groups, cut-outs and shell companies that shield the Brotherhood’s criminal activities from authorities.

“These guys talk about jihad and murdering Jews like the mob talked about killing – totally casual, like they were ordering pizza,” said one FBI official in Washington quoted in the book.

Some key smoking-gun revelations detailed in “Muslim Mafia” include:

  • New evidence that CAIR was launched to support the Hamas terrorist group, and has transferred tens of thousands of dollars to a group recently convicted as Hamas’ top fundraising arm in the U.S. – money that ended up aiding terrorist attacks on Israelis and Americans;
  • Internal documents showing CAIR, despite claims of cooperating with law enforcement, actively works behind the scenes to mislead and deceive the FBI on behalf of terrorism suspects – and has even cultivated Muslim moles inside law enforcement who have tipped off FBI terror targets;
  • CAIR is more closely tied to al-Qaida than previously reported;
  • CAIR claims to represent all Muslim Americans, however, it has victimized some 100 indigent Muslims in a massive fraud and threatened them when they tried to go to the media; and internally, personnel complaints reveal CAIR discriminates against Shiite Muslims and Muslim women within its own headquarters;
  • CAIR and its sister fronts are funded by foreign Muslim Brotherhood sources;
  • CAIR leaders share the Muslim Brotherhood’s ultimate goal to replace the U.S. Constitution with Shariah law;
  • The Muslim Brotherhood investment in corporate America will be used to pressure U.S. companies into compliance with Islamic principles.

The book also shows radical Muslims in the U.S. are working to support Palestinian terrorists, destroy Israel, gut U.S. anti-terrorism laws, loosen U.S. Muslim immigration policies and convert Americans to Islam.

The authors explain they targeted CAIR because it helps control the “religious crime syndicate from its power base in Washington, the capitol of the same government it wishes to overthrow.”

While the FBI has cut formal ties to CAIR in the wake of its designation as an unindicted co-conspirator in a plot to fund the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, the group has virtually unfettered access to Capitol Hill and continues to wield influence in the White House.

Certificate signed by Nihad Awad and awarded to Chris Gaubatz for completing his internship

CAIR, the book reveals, regularly reserves meeting rooms and prays Fridays alongside Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., and a growing number of Muslim staffers.

The first Muslim elected to Congress and a de facto CAIR board member, Ellison predicted in one CAIR power breakfast he soon would be flanked by 15 other Muslim congressmen, “Muslim Mafia” notes.

Chris Gaubatz, in fact, once found himself praying elbow-to-elbow with Ellison during a Friday prayer gathering attended by CAIR inside the U.S. Capitol.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the book says, is totally in the dark about the threat, and so is the White House.

In fact, reveals “Muslim Mafia,” in the White House President Obama is hiring Muslims – including an adviser who advocates compliance with Shariah law – based on resumes solicited from Muslim Brotherhood fronts.

Meanwhile, the FBI is in conflict internally about how to deal with the Brotherhood, with some top officials in favor of maintaining outreach, while counter-terror case agents in the field strongly object, pointing to evidence the network is a factory for homegrown terror and is secretly carrying out activities hostile to the U.S.

“They’ve achieved outrageous penetration at senior levels of our government,” veteran FBI special agent John Guandolo warns in the book.

Until recently, the FBI engaged in outreach activities with CAIR, including forcing rookie agents to take cultural field trips to area mosques.

The “Muslim Mafia” authors obtained notes revealing the FBI even has offered to sponsor Muslim youth camps with the Boys Clubs of America.

A shortage of Arab linguists and dozens of discrimination suits by Arab and Muslim employees has prompted the FBI to recruit from Brotherhood-related groups, such as the Islamic Society of North America

A Muslim agent who drew national attention when he refused to tape-record a fellow Muslim during a terrorism investigation was promoted and now recruits other Muslims to become agents and linguists.

‘Hit sheets’

The book also presents evidence CAIR has prepared “hit sheets” on its critics in the news media in an effort to intimidate them into silence.

Internal memos show, for example, top officials privately met with CNN executives in Atlanta to press them to cancel Glenn Beck’s program on its Headline News network. Beck now has a highly rated afternoon show on the Fox News Channel.

CAIR’s campaign to boycott leading nationally syndicated radio talk-show host Michael Savage’s advertisers cost more than $160,000, the book reveals. The authors recount how CAIR ran out of money before it could crack Savage’s most loyal sponsors.

The book also includes new revelations about CAIR’s role in the “flying imams” case in 2006 in which six Muslim leaders were removed from an airline flight in Minneapolis after passengers and crew members reported what they believed to be suspicious behavior.

“Muslim Mafia” also exposes CAIR’s secret agenda to criminalize anti-terror profiling by police and private entities.

Gaubatz is a veteran federal investigator and counter-terrorism specialist who served for more than a decade as a special agent in the U.S. Air Force’s elite Office of Special Investigations. He held the U.S. government’s highest security clearances, including Top Secret/SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information), and was briefed in many so-called black projects.

Gaubatz also is a State Department-trained Arabic linguist with more than two decades of experience in the Middle East, including tours in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan and Iraq. In 2003, he led a 15-man team to rescue the family members of the Iraqi lawyer credited with saving Army Private First Class Jessica Lynch.

Sperry, a media fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, is former Washington bureau chief for Investor’s Business Daily and former Washington bureau chief of WorldNetDaily.com.

His bestseller “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington,” is being used by the U.S. military and top law enforcement departments nationwide. Many of the numerous stories he has broken on national security and counter-terrorism have been cited by the Washington Post, USA Today, UPI and the Associated Press, among others. His columns have appeared in publications such as the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Houston Chronicle, American Spectator and Reason.

One FBI official quoted in “Muslim Mafia” says CAIR and the other Muslim Brotherhood front groups differ from al-Qaida in that, while all share the same goals, they use different methods to achieve them.

“The only difference between the guys in the suits and the guys with the AK-47s is timing and tactics,” the official explained.


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603 responses to “Muslim Mafia In America: What Does The Future Bode?”


  1. Dictionary…

    why can all your links be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God??
    As I have said, it is another view!!

    You are so anti Muslim that you just cant see that some on your side are wrong in this whole episode also.
    People with your mindset are MORE dangerous than the terrorist you critisise. What make it worse is that you are ”supposed” to be a Christian…what a shame….what God-like behavior.
    Every problem comes from Islam by your words. Britian, the USA et al are innocent.
    Then you wonder why there can be no peace….not when there is no justice!!

    You are a deceitful, arrogant, pompous and very dangerous person. Wars and genocide have been started by men like you …but your God will certainly deal with you!!


  2. FYI….

    Posting an alternate view is not trying to justify anything.
    It is merely looking at all possibilities and having an open mind , not one that is biased by ones unwavering faith and beliefs.
    I am free to look at it openly without biases….can you say or do the same?


  3. Technician:

    You have repeatedly resorted to empty personal abuse and accusation in the face of evident facts and reasonable inferences from same; backed up by invitation to correct on the merits.

    That, sadly, tells us all we need to know; including that it would be wise for you to look in a mirror.

    Good day, again.

    D


  4. PS: FYI, I am not “anti-Muslim” [i.e. I am not a a hater of persons] — though I find myself in profound disagreement with certain core Islamic theological claims, on specific evidential grounds [cf also here, here and here as well as here] — but am openly and unabashedly anti Jihadism; or any other “-ism” that serves as a pretext for a global conquest or subjugation or subversion agenda. For reasons that are deeply roted in the history of such attempts, including the last two major ones: Communism and Fascism (Nazi form) that between them cost well over 100 million lives to turn back. Before nukes were in serious play.


  5. @Zoe…………..Did you know that your ‘Lord’s Prayer’ came out of Ancient Egypt as well?


  6. “but am openly and unabashedly anti Jihadism; or any other “-ism” that serves as a pretext for a global conquest or subjugation or subversion agenda.” that means you are DEFINITELY ANTI-JUADISM/ZIONISM AS WELL!


  7. Please….I do not need to look in a mirror guy…it is YOU who needs to!!

    You are not anti Muslim my ass!!
    Only the deceitful on this blog would even think about that statement.
    You find fault with anything that does not fit into your way of thinking but you think your subtle insults to others on this blog, are not as bad as me calling you a cunt.
    You think that your ‘superior’ education give you the right to look down your nose at others who don’t match up to your ‘Christian’ standards.
    I have watched you post 1500 words , yet still I watch in awe as 20 or less stumps you, being the conniving creature you are, you play with words and always think you have escaped.
    You see, I dont need to be a suppository like Zoe, nor do I see the need to stroke your already oversized ego.
    I merely ask questions from a different perspective but you, being the arrogant prick you are, quickly sees this as not to your liking and out comes the dismissive attitude.
    I have no problem with anyone spreading the word of god , however, it is the manner in which you do it that really pisses me off!!
    You leave a lot to be desired …..for a so called Christian.


  8. Chorus: Im too experienced to be taken for a stroll…….too
    experienced for someone to rock and roll, Im too experienced to be taken
    for a ride, and I know its not my foolish pride…….

    She hates the site……. of me
    because I turned her offer down
    She’s always saying we were meant to be
    somehow she thought Id be her clown
    And this is what I sing:

    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/too-experienced/


  9. @ Dictionary (websters or oxford)……

    ……but am openly and unabashedly anti Jihadism; or any other “-ism” that serves as a pretext for a global conqu’est or subjugation or subversion agenda.’

    What a load of bovine excrement…pure hog wash!!
    Now pray tell us on this blog in 50 words or less, what Zionism or Judaism, is currently doing to the Palestinian people!!
    Do you see why I call you deceitful?
    Aren’t the Palestinian people being collectively subjugated?
    Aren’t the Palestinian peoples future being subverted?
    You have spent all this time, painstakingly trying to connect the dots from Islam- Muslims-Jihad….now you do an about face with this nonsense that you are not anti-Muslim ?!?
    You do not hate people?!?
    That my friend is like an old saying….you can’t have the cow without the calf!!

  10. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “MME (some thoughts with sleep approaching), I am sure about having a life, my jury is still out on the existence of a soul however.

    I am not sure how I am going to “disobey civilly” with a suicide bomber!”
    ———————

    Anon,

    I cannot prove the existence of a soul… it is something I accept on faith.

    Regarding your second point, this is my interpretation of Christ’s message. Jesus lived and preached non-violence. He taught us that we should put our faith in God not weapons. He taught us the techniques of nonviolent civil disobedience in response to all oppressive and exploitative authorites… at home and abroad. He taught us that it is better to die in peaceful resistance than live in violent resistance.

    Christians today who suggest otherwise, are either dishonest or in denial… denial that began the moment Christians prostituted themselves in return for secular power granted by Constantine. Up until that time, Christians were strictly forbidden from taking up arms or joining any army.

    “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” – Eph 6:12

  11. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    There are bigger issues at stake than the suicide bomber Anon.

    Putting in a request for selector Kiki… ROTFL…

    Your best you try to harm I & I
    Aiming to kill but I love you still
    Cause you are here to make prophesy fulfill
    Its Jah will
    No weapon that, form against me
    Desire shall not be
    Divine protection shall set my soul free
    … If Jah is standing by my side
    … Then why should I be afraid
    … Of the pestilence that crawleth by night


  12. @Technician, Your inept capacity, intellectually, to assimulate warranted facts and evidence, as competently presented by Dictionary over and over again; is exceeded only by the depth of your *IGNORANCE* and the utter *SHALLOWNESS* of your *mind* displayed by the *fILTH** that proceeds
    from your *HEART*

    You are a classic example of a *foreman* selected from a jury whose intelligence appeared to be even lower than average. The trial lawyer concentrated on this man, throughout the case, the (foreman) who appeared superior in intelligence to the others.

    After due deliberation, and an unusually long wait, the jury filed in. “Gentleman,” said the judge, “have you reached a decision?”

    No, Your Honor,” answered the foreman, “we’ve come back to ask for some information. There are two words which have been used throughout this trial, which we don’t know the meaning of.”

    “What are they?” asked the judge. “One word,” answered the foreman, is, “Plantiff” and the other is “defendant.”

    Technician, your are just like this “foreman”.

    “Ignorance, when voluntary, IS criminal.”

    “There IS NO more terrible sight than *IGNORANCE* in action.”

    But, you then resort to vile “profanity” against Dictionary, even worst than “ignorance” but, as a man thinketh, SO DOES he speak. And this you have demonstrated to its depth of *FILTH*

    “Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord (Technician!) BUT, those who deal truthfully are His delight.” (Dictionary!) (Prov. 12: 22)

    “Understanding IS a wellspring of life (Dictionary!) BUT, the correction of FOOLS (Technician!) is folly.” (Prov. 16: 22).

    “The tongue of the wise (Dictionary!) uses knowledge rightly. BUT the mouth of FOOLS (Technician!) pours forth FOOLISHNESS.” (Prov. 15: 1b).

    The Lamp of the Body.

    To Technician, and those of your ilk, hear Jesus:

    “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of LIGHT.”

    “BUT, if your eye is BAD, your whole body will be FULL of *DARKNESS* If therefore the light that IS in you (Technician) IS *DARKNESS* how great IS that DARKNESS.” (Matt. 6: 22,23) emphasis added throughout.

    So it be!


  13. at Micro Mock Engineer

    If Jah
    Is by my side
    No I wont hide
    Boom boom boom dis yah tune yah
    boom boom boom dis yah tune yah
    boom boom boom dis yah tune yah
    boom


  14. Moderators (and onlookers):

    My attention was drawn to onward activities in this thread, by a private communication by a lurker.

    It seems I need to say a few final points, by way of record, and to help those who do not understand how the rhetorical — and at a certain level, propagandistic — tactics of distraction, distortion, demonising accusation and polarisation work; or why they are often resorted to by extremists.

    Had this thread remained on its principal issue, BU’s report ont eh ongoing expose of a fifth columnist movement; it may have served a point. Had it seriously taken up the question of defense of the civil peace on general ethical and specifically Christian views, it would have served a point.

    But instead, red herrings have been dragged to distract us from the track of truth, and the false trails have been led out to strawmen soaked in slanderous distortions, and set alight to choke, cloud, confuse ands poison the atmosphere.

    All in service to agendas that plainly cannot stand the light of truth.

    Sad.

    +++++++++

    Zoe:

    A note. While I appreciate your concern, please do not let the poisonous tone drag you down into contentiousness.

    For the record:

    1: Hopi, re: . . . you are DEFINITELY ANTI-JUADISM/ZIONISM AS WELL!

    All you have manged to do is show that the lies in the old Czarist agitprop piece, Protocols, have poisoned your mind. Judaism is not a global conquest or subversion agenda, but the predominant religion of an often misunderstood and maligned or persecuted people group who — despite the foibles and frailties and fallen-ness that dog us all — have proved a great blessing to humanity over many, many years; from time immemorial. And, Zionism, the somewhat related — many historic Zionists were secular socialists who among other things pioneered the only long term successful socialist experiment in the world, the Kibbutz — Jewish aspiration to resettle and redevelop their historic homeland (while acknowledging the rights of others in that land as can be seen starting with early documents e.g. the Zionist submission to the Versailles conference of 1919 and continuing through even the Declaration of Independence of Israel and on to today . . . ) is not a world conquest or subversion agenda either.

    Let me cite the relevant clauses from the Zionist DOI, May 1948; noting that 1/5 of Israel’s population are Arabs, who though they have faced challenges and discrimination have the clear backing of the law and have achieved outstanding successes e.g. Arab Israeli Supreme Court Justice and if memory serves at least one Cabinet Minister:

    >>. . . We appeal – in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months – to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

    We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East. >>

    As a first point of balance on the modern history of Israel, I invite you to read here; and this here may help balance many agit-prop points commonly made against Israel, Zionism and Jews.

    Jihadism — as opposed to the religious views of Muslims in general (many of whom reject and actually are currently fighting against Jihadism) — unfortunately is declaratively a global conquest ideology (as has been discussed above). That is why many concerned people across the globe, including a great many Muslims, object to and oppose it.

    2] re Technician:

    This commenter is plainly either a jihadist himself or a fellow traveller.

    You will observe that I took time to link very specific documents that address the issues he raised, but he chose to ignore the issues and the evidence on the merits, but to indulge in a wave of personalities laced with vulgar language.

    This is sad.

    3] Palestine issues

    The plight of the Arab people of the Holy Land is a truly sad one.

    However, unless we understand its roots and key challenges, we cannot properly assess it or address it, and the poisonous atmosphere in this thread and the wider context of discussion make that very hard to do. That is in part why I pointed to the discussion here in point 1. (Read the wider article as well, on one Christian view on the matter in light of the biblical teachings.)

    As a rule of thumb, I have found that if one cannot discuss in an informed way the significance of the year 1919, the names Chaim Weizmann and Feisal Hussein, and the location London [here a precursor to the Versailles process], then one simply does not know enough to have an informed and balanced opinion given the highly contentious, accusatory atmosphere.

    So, let us see if we can at least pass the Weismann-Feisal 1919 agreement test:

    >> His Royal Highness the Emir Feisal, representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of Hedjaz, and Dr. Chaim Weizmann, representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organization, mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realizing that the surest means of working out the consummation of their natural aspirations is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine [here being used of the prospective Jewish state!], and being desirous further of confirming the good understanding which exists between them, have agreed upon the following . . . >>

    Oh, that the parties would have fulfilled that hope!

    I will therefore only summarise briefly that BOTH Jews and Arabs (and populations of several minorities such as Circassians, Greeks . . . Dekapolis of the gentiles and all that . . . etc) have legitimate claims to being historically rooted in the Holy Land. In addition, there are various refugee settlements, including Baha’i [the world HQ of the Baha’i faith is in Israel, not Iran, which is intolerant] and even Vietnamese. Many compromises have been on the table ever since the Zionist resettlement from the 1870’s transformed a once ruinate and in significant parts depopulated wasteland into the high tech paradise we see today. Unfortunately, Jihadist agendas have consistently led to confrontation and violence rather than compromise, leading to wars of intended annihilation of the Jews in 1947 – 49 and again in 1967. As a result of these wars, Israel’s majority Jewish population are refugee oriental Jews from all over the Middle East, i.e. there are TWO ME refugee crises, not just one. The Jewish refugees actually match or exceed the number of Palestinan Arab refugees and were resettled — not without considerable difficulties and challenges with discrimination etc — in a state which is less than 1/2 of 1% of the ME region. By contrast the Arab refugees were deliberately maintained — by their fellow Arabs — in a state of confinement to cause a lingering bone of contention, in the context of that annihilationist ambition that led to the key wars.

    Every attempt to find a reasonable compromise — most recently in 2000 [97% of the W Bank in a contiguous zone with compensating land elsewhere, 100% of Gaza, control of the key areas in Jerusalem, a highway corridor connecting the two zones and a large financial development grant] — have foundered on Jihadist ambitions and related resort to violence — note not merely “force.”

    to understand some of that Jihadi mentality, let me cite from the Hamas Charter, the key Hadith that appears in its Clause 7, noting that HAMAS is an acronym that means “Islamic resistance”:

    >> . . . the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

    “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla [= slave of Allah], there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim). >>

    This declared intent of slaughter of a race is utterly unacceptable, and it shows the deep-set roots of the challenge facing Islamic moderates in the face of militant Jihadism.

    Again, I spoke for the record.

    Good day

    De Dictionary


  15. @ Technician
    Comment:
    “Geez Mr.Blackett…… See what I mean about all this pretty talk and fancy words…”

    I get paid well for my words…

    As you know talk is NOT* cheap (ask OPRAH*)…

    So maybe there is a lesson for you!!!


  16. OK……you got me Dictionary…….I am a Jihadist!!!…..NOT!!

    Sticks and stone make break my bones,but……..

    @ Zoe….

    Try some original thoughts next…..damn suppository!!

    @ Terrence…

    I am paid very well for my technical abilities….no words…my hands….ask Bill Gates.

  17. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    The value of a man’s words lies not in how much he is paid for them… Oprah is indeed a perfect example.

    Just as the value of a man should be seen in what he gives and not in what he is able to receive (Uncle Albert), so too is the value of his words.


  18. 50 words or less……..

    …Aren’t the Palestinian people being collectively subjugated?
    Aren’t the Palestinian peoples future being subverted?

  19. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    David… I am appointing myself Secretary General of the BWU (Bloggers Writers Union)… it is unconscionable that you expect valuable writers like Terence to work for free. ROTFL.

  20. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    … hold on. Maybe it is he that should pay you for free advertising.

    I henceforth withdraw my entreaties for fair compensation.


  21. LMAO……….ROTFL!!

    MME…ya bad!


  22. …..As a result of these wars, Israel’s majority Jewish population are refugee oriental Jews from all over the Middle East,

    You just love to see yourself type…what refugees what?!!?
    Any Tom, Dick or Harry from ANYWHERE in the world, who claimed to be Jewish went to Israel, hence the need for their continued expansion.
    You really do ‘Divide ‘ the word…..


  23. @TECHNICIAN
    “I am paid very well for my technical abilities….no words…my hands….ask Bill Gates.”

    TO EACH HIS OWN!!!


  24. Well…..at least we agree on something…lol.


  25. “He’s an impressive fellow, this guy. He really is. He’s obviously smart as hell…You’ll find him an interesting man. I expected more of a firebrand. I don’t think he has the slightest doubt about how he feels…about the American administration and the Zionist state. He comes across as more rational than I expected…He’s actually, in a strange way, he’s a rather attractive
    man, very smart, savvy, self-assured, good-looking in a strange way. He’s very, very short but he’s comfortable in his own skin.”

    -Mike Wallace about Iranian president Mahmoud Ah-MAD-dinejad, who has called for the annihilation of Israel.

    Hardly a day goes by when Islamic terrorism does not claim the lives of innocent civilians somewhere in the world. Doing nothing more than trying to earn a living, care for their families, and live in peace, these victims are by no means always situated in war zones; many are in regions that are ostensibly at peace. As anoynmous in death as they were in life, these innocent civilian victims face *savage* murder on a regular basis by a loosely knit army of remorseless, modern-day *barbarians* whose every waking thought IS devoted to *beheading* and otherwise *mutilating* impure ‘infidels’ across the globe, and to creating a worlwide Islamic *caliphate* subordinate only to the deity in whose name it *kills* and *oppresses*.

    Who remembers any longer the 42 peace council participants a teenaged *suicide* bomber killed in Peshawar on March 2, 2008? Or the same number a *fedayeen* bomber murdered two days earlier in Swat, Pakistan, while attending a funeral? Let alone the 56 worshippers killed on December 21, 2007, when a *terrorist* carrying a bomb packed with nails detonated himself in a Kanaan mosque? The memory of the 42 plus people, including children, who lost their lives to bombs placed at a food stall and an amusement park on Augusr 25, 2007, Hyderabad, India, has alse faded except among the grieving family members and friends left behind.

    These are but a few of the many hundreds of terrorist attacks that have been carried out across the world in the post 9/11 era. Other attacks, of course, are more familiar to Westerners. For instance, there were the July 2005 coordinated bombings of London’s public transport system, which killed 52 commuters and injured at least 700 hundred; the Madrid railway bombing of March 2004, which kliied 190 and wounded more than 1,800; the May 2003 Casablanca bombing of a Jewish community center and a Spanish social club, killing 41 people; and the October 2002 bombing on the Indonesian island of Bali, which took 202 lives.

    Through diligent hard work, intelligence operatives around the world have foiled other Islamic terrorist plots, seeking to cause even greater suffering, such as the infamous 1995 Operation Bonjinka plot, whose aim was to simultaneously blow up, in mid-flight, 12 commercial airliners traveling between Asia and the United States.

    It is difficult for most of us to imagine any American feeling the barest shred of affinity for the *nihilistic* monsters who plan to execute such deeds. Yet, the American *Left* has formed a tacit alliance with the radical *Islamists* responsible for those activities, and are supported by others of such devious thinking, around the world, and right here in our Caribbean basin, and Barbados not to be excluded, as seen on BU.

    The modern Left’s core consists of the ideological descendents of the communist/progressive Left, that wanted the West to lose the Cold War to the Soviet Union. Upon the foundation of their hatred for the United States, these dysfunctional human beings, had to find some other cause with which to aliegn their warped mentality, and so, have forged their alliance with radical *Islamists*

    In a word and deed, both of these allies make it plain that they consider everything about Western civilization to be evil and unworthy of preservation; that they wish to see freedom and individual rights crushed by any means necessary, including *violent* revolution.

    That deluded, silly man, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter’s pilgrimage in April 2008 to Cairo and Damasus to meet with and embrace, the diabolical leaders of the *terrorist* organization Hamas?

    Hamas, an self-declared terrorist entity, who have the blood of myriad Israelis, as well as Americans on their hand; yet this fool Jimmy Carter stands in solidarity, shakes hands with Khaled Meshal, a Hamas leader suspected by Israeli authorities of being the mastermind of several high-profile terror attacks. The June 2006 abduction of Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit, was reported carried out at Meshal’s behest. Meshal habitually made clear that Israel’s existence IS intolerable and that the *destruction* of the Jewish state must be achieved through a *relentless* campaign of genocide. And the very life ‘force’ for that campaign IS sealed in the Hamas charter, which states as its primary goal Israel’s extinction.

    How could that idiot Jimmy Carter, not remember, that since Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, and the end of the so-called “occupation” there, that Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, have launched over 6,000 rockets and mortars into Israel.

    Carter like the fool that he is, after his Hamas odyssey with Meshal and other Hamas figures, the ex-president emerged with the announcement that the *terrorist* organization was now ready to live in peace alongside Israel and would recognize the Jewish state. Of course, it didn’t take long for Hamas to issue a clarification. Shortly after Carter’s bizarre pronouncement, Hamas announced that its ‘raison d’etre’ remained intact; the commitment to liquidate the Jewish state.

    In Carter’s errie attempt to paint terrorists as ‘peacekeepers’ and to blur their true *genocidal* campaign in the public eye, Carter needed a smokescreen, some kind of temporary lie, to cloud the true and dark yearnings that had led him into the arms of America’s, Israel’s, and freedom’s deadly sworn enemies. Indeed, from the moment the terrorist organization scored its electoral victory in Gaza in January 2006, the exp-president became an avid supporter. He distinguish himself as one of the first figures to congratulate the terroris group for its victory, meeting with its leaders in Ramallah, where his Carter Center has an office.

    When Hamas began its expected and blood-soaked purge in Gaza and fueled relentless rocket attacks against innocent civilians in Israel, Carter remained silent! And instead of denouncing Hamas, he embarked on a passionate one-man lobbying campaign on behalf of the terrroist group, urging the international community to launder money to Hamas through United Nations and aid programs and then calling it “criminal” when the money for Hamas’ genocidal program did not arrive. All troughout, Carter has repeatedly declared Hamas to be an organization ready for peace. And in the process of uttering such *falsehoods* he has sprinkled numerous pleas for the release of thousands of Palestinian terrorists in Israeli prisons who have Israeli blood on their hands.

    Carter’s dalliance with Hamas crystallizes well the intentions that lurk in the heart of the Left.

    Another decieved and mislead intellectual, is former diplomat to the U.K, Peter Simmons, who in one of his recent articles in the Nation, highly praised Obama and Jimmy Carter, what utter nonsense and blinded perception!


  26. @Zoe………..I beseech you my brother to post the date, time and exact words that Ahmadinejad used when speaking about ‘wiping ‘israel’ off the earth.’ As a christian who should only speak according to the manner in which Christ taught you, kindly post his exact words.

    @Kiki…..Good stuff! Good stuff!


  27. @ Zoe……

    Are you a fair man?!?
    ……..NOT!!

    You are deceitful and wicked….what Christian what?!?

    You chose to demonize Jimmy Carter?

    You continue to harp on Hamas…what about the IDF..what about AIPAC?

    There is modern day APARTHEID existing in Israel as we speak.
    Carter chose a different approach…no war mongering so he must be bad.
    I guess you would call Nelson Mandela a terrorist too…Magaret Thatcher certainly did.
    How many innocents have the IDF killed?
    Was Timothy McVeigh Islamist?
    You are so biased and HELL bent in your agenda, that the truth can glare you in the face and you still wouldn’t see it.
    I maintain, that it is deceitful and wicked of you to insist on people, that Muslims are the core of all the wrong in the ME.
    As soon as anyone speaks out, there are branded as silly, ignorant etc…..
    You wouldn’t know the truth if it was stuck up your…..well….you are Dictionary’s suppository!!


  28. There is always the other side…

    Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel

    By SHULAMIT ALONI

    Jewish self-righteousness is taken for granted among ourselves to such an extent that we fail to see what’s right in front of our eyes. It’s simply inconceivable that the ultimate victims, the Jews, can carry out evil deeds. Nevertheless, the state of Israel practises its own, quite violent, form of Apartheid with the native Palestinian population.

    The US Jewish Establishment’s onslaught on former President Jimmy Carter is based on him daring to tell the truth which is known to all: through its army, the government of Israel practises a brutal form of Apartheid in the territory it occupies. Its army has turned every Palestinian village and town into a fenced-in, or blocked-in, detention camp. All this is done in order to keep an eye on the population’s movements and to make its life difficult. Israel even imposes a total curfew whenever the settlers, who have illegally usurped the Palestinians’ land, celebrate their holidays or conduct their parades.

    If that were not enough, the generals commanding the region frequently issue further orders, regulations, instructions and rules (let us not forget: they are the lords of the land). By now they have requisitioned further lands for the purpose of constructing “Jewish only” roads. Wonderful roads, wide roads, well-paved roads, brightly lit at night–all that on stolen land. When a Palestinian drives on such a road, his vehicle is confiscated and he is sent on his way.

    On one occasion I witnessed such an encounter between a driver and a soldier who was taking down the details before confiscating the vehicle and sending its owner away. “Why?” I asked the soldier. “It’s an order–this is a Jews-only road”, he replied. I inquired as to where was the sign indicating this fact and instructing [other] drivers not to use it. His answer was nothing short of amazing. “It is his responsibility to know it, and besides, what do you want us to do, put up a sign here and let some antisemitic reporter or journalist take a photo so he that can show the world that Apartheid exists here?”

    Indeed Apartheid does exist here. And our army is not “the most moral army in the world” as we are told by its commanders. Sufficient to mention that every town and every village has turned into a detention centre and that every entry and every exit has been closed, cutting it off from arterial traffic. If it were not enough that Palestinians are not allowed to travel on the roads paved ‘for Jews only’, on their land, the current GOC found it necessary to land an additional blow on the natives in their own land with an “ingenious proposal”.

    Humanitarian activists cannot transport Palestinians either.

    Major-General Naveh, renowned for his superior patriotism, has issued a new order. Coming into affect on 19 January, it prohibits the conveyance of Palestinians without a permit. The order determines that Israelis are not allowed to transport Palestinians in an Israeli vehicle (one registered in Israel regardless of what kind of numberplate it carries) unless they have received explicit permission to do so. The permit relates to both the driver and the Palestinian passenger. Of course none of this applies to those whose labour serves the settlers. They and their employers will naturally receive the required permits so they can continue to serve the lords of the land, the settlers.

    Did man of peace President Carter truly err in concluding that Israel is creating Apartheid? Did he exaggerate? Don’t the US Jewish community leaders recognise the International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination of 7 March 1966, to which Israel is a signatory? Are the US Jews who launched the loud and abusive campaign against Carter for supposedly maligning Israel’s character and its democratic and humanist nature unfamiliar with the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 30 November 1973? Apartheid is defined therein as an international crime that among other things includes using different legal instruments to rule over different racial groups, thus depriving people of their human rights. Isn’t freedom of travel one of these rights?

    In the past, the US Jewish community leaders were quite familiar with the meaning of those conventions. For some reason, however, they are convinced that Israel is allowed to contravene them. It’s OK to kill civilians, women and children, old people and parents with their children, deliberately or otherwise without accepting any responsibility. It’s permissible to rob people of their lands, destroy their crops, and cage them up like animals in the zoo. From now on, Israelis and International humanitarian organisations’ volunteers are prohibited from assisting a woman in labour by taking her to the hospital. [Israeli human rights group] Yesh Din volunteers cannot take a robbed and beaten-up Palestinian to the police station to lodge a complaint. (Police stations are located at the heart of the settlements.) Is there anyone who believes that this is not Apartheid?

    Jimmy Carter does not need me to defend his reputation that has been sullied by Israelophile community officials. The trouble is that their love of Israel distorts their judgment and blinds them from seeing what’s in front of them. Israel is an occupying power that for 40 years has been oppressing an indigenous people, which is entitled to a sovereign and independent existence while living in peace with us. We should remember that we too used very violent terror against foreign rule because we wanted our own state. And the list of victims of terror is quite long and extensive.

    We do limit ourselves to denying the [Palestinian] people human rights. We not only rob of them of their freedom, land and water. We apply collective punishment to millions of people and even, in revenge-driven frenzy, destroy the electricity supply for one and half million civilians. Let them “sit in the darkness” and “starve”.

    Employees cannot be paid their wages because Israel is holding 500 million shekels that belong to the Palestinians. And after all that we remain “pure as the driven snow”. There are no moral blemishes on our actions. There is no racial separation. There is no Apartheid. It’s an invention of the enemies of Israel. Hooray for our brothers and sisters in the US! Your devotion is very much appreciated. You have truly removed a nasty stain from us. Now there can be an extra spring in our step as we confidently abuse the Palestinian population, using the “most moral army in the world”.

    [Translated by Sol Salbe]

    Shulamit Aloni is the former Education Minister of Israel. She has been awarded both the Israel Prize and the Emil Grunzweig Human Rights Award by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.


  29. This is what Christians like Zoe and Dicktionary condones.


  30. @Hopi, Go and do your own research on Ah-MAD-dine-jad’s now infamous speech in Oct, 2005, “World Without Zionism” conference in Asia, and see what its all about!

    BTW, that ‘fool’ that keeps writing about suppositories, its because his asinine bewilderment, comes from his brain which resides in his rectum rectorum; that’s why he speaks so much bovine excrement!


  31. ….such Christian-like behavior…….my my Zoe….Whatever would you God say?


  32. If you have never had a jewish friend or you never had a muslim friend you are
    ignorant and small-mided


  33. whoops should be .. small minded


  34. heads of government

    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/heads-of-government/

    i’ve got more version
    but can’t find them


  35. @Zoe……….Oh No! You brought the charge. Now the burden of proof is on your shoulder. Zoe, where is the proof that he said those word? Come on Zoe, use your clean hands and your pure heart!

    You still haven’t answered my question about TRUTH needing support!


  36. “Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true.”

    -Demosthenes.

    A little knowledge on any given subject matter, IS dangerous, sometimes deadly; as is seen by a some of the commentors on BU!

    The Roots of Denial.

    The radical *Leftist* the story of their love affair and their psychological makeup , and their habitual attempts to distance itself from its own history, and to obfuscate any straightforward analysis of its political motives, goals and allegiances, is deliberatly and intentionally done, to blur its own complicity in one of the greatest crimes of the twentieth century.

    When David Horowitz launched his database, “DiscoverTheNetworks.org in February 2005, a Guide to the Political Left, the first Website to comprehensively define and map out the the Leftists, its networks of individuals, organizations, and financial supporters; within hours of the Web site’s first appearance on the Internet, before there had even been time to read a fraction of the site’s content, which includes thousands of files, leftists lashed out in fury!

    A typical assult came from author Kurt Nimmo, who called the new database a “smear portal” and alledged that it unjustifiably lumped together too many disparate people and forces, especially leftists and Islamist terrorist. Nimmo made this charge even though DiscoverThe Networks does not point to any organizational links between leftists and Islamist terrorists, but simply catalogues the support that leftists have given to terrorists, as exemplified by Michael Moore’s praising the insurgents in Fallujah, and promoting their victory over an imperialist United States.

    DiscoverTheNetworks makes it clear that it does not imply the existence of any formal “alliance” between radical Islam and the Left, BUT, simply demonstrates, in its profiles of individuals (Moore, Noam Chomsky, Ward Churchill, et al.) and organizations (National Lawyers Guild, International ANSWER, Code Pink, et al.) that the radical Left consistently takes the side of Islamist terrorists in their *Jihad* against the United States.

    The absurd irony in Nimmo condemning the implication of a leftist-Islamist alliance is that he himself is a leftist who supports and affiliates himself with Islamist terrorists, especially in Iraq’s Sunni triangle. Nimmo’s logic clearly exemplifies the Left’s traditional dismissal of any criticism aimed against it. Dedicating their lives to erasing individuality, including their own, and becoming part of a group from whose party line they cannot waver, these individuals nonetheless, react with moral indignation when they are classified as being members of that group.

    And, so typical, as seen here on BU, with such Leftist oriented mindsets, this tactic is part of the Left’s desperate attempt to avoid an honest dialogue about its own historical record. Rather than confront the *bloodbath* that its ideas have spawned, the Left finds it far safer to engage in historical *amnesia* and outright *Gulag* denial.

    Any attempt in dissecting the leftist pathology, it is necessary that we remain objective, in that, not all Leftist are identical, and so not every believer will share every characteristic .

    There is, after all, no mentally ill person whose ilness has been engendered by ‘exactly’ the same dynamics as have afflicted a similarly ailing person. BUT, there ARE indubitably mental illnesses that stem from common sources, and predispose their victums to similar dispositions and behaviours.

    However, the bottom line is that; while dynamics and extremes vary, every ‘Leftist’ will fit, to one degree or another, the ‘Leftist’ diagnosis. This is particularly true for those legions of ‘Leftist’ who today wish for victory of Isalimist terror over the United States, and Israel.


  37. Zoe is a weak, weak individual…..

    Zoe cannot even produce one line of original thought, original reason.

    It is either going to be cut and pasted from another source or the Bible.

    Look at how you are easily rattled by us non believers. Where is your strength, your dignity, your conviction?
    I guess you are only bold when you have a ‘dictionary’ to help back you.
    I feel sorry for you because it seems to me that you are the one who is lost. You can quote the Bible back to front, but I can see your struggles, your biases and your confusion.
    Seem to me , you are the one with the denial and self deceit…..get some help.


  38. @GEM,

    “……you appear to be ignorant of the historical testimony of Hitler’s surviving generals”

    +++

    It speaks volumes of you that you think that anyone who does not share your view must be ignorant of the facts.

    The first coup attempt against Hitler was not until 1938 and was to be trigged by the War over Czechoslovakia. The thinking was that the German people would not want war. Of course the war did not start then and so no coup took place.

    Since Hitler retained the overwhelming support of the German people until the Normandy invasion, your hypothesis is weak.

    Moreover, the period after Munich and the “phoney war” gave Britain valuable time to prepare for War with Germany.

    It is stunning the level of hypocrisy that you demonstrate coming to this blog to defend the Jewish people from even of the most trivial of slander. After centuries of christian anti semitism, look who is now your best friend who you are prepared to defend with a disturbing level of fanaticism.

    What of the role of christian anti semitism in world war II?

    “Without centuries of Christian antisemitism, Hitlers passionate hatred would never have been so fervently echoed…because for centuries Christians have held Jews collectively responsible for the death of Jesus. On Good Friday Jews, have in times past, cowered behind locked doors with fear of a Christian mob seeking ‘revenge’ for deicide. Without the poisoning of Christian minds through the centuries, the holocaust is unthinkable. The dissident Catholic priest Hans Küng has written that “Nazi anti-Judaism was the work of godless, anti-Christian criminals. But it would not have been possible without the almost two thousand years’ pre-history of ‘Christian’ anti-Judaism…”

    — Archbishop Robert Runcie.

    +++

    “If necessary and possible, limited strikes may be necessary to cripple the emerging nuclear weapon capacity, before we wake up one morning to hear of cities destroyed by suicide nuclear attacks. ”

    Can you explain how this constitutes “defense”?

    To launch a “strike” and kill innocent people based on an unsupported supposition is not ethical.

    Can the Iranians use this logic too?

    ++++

    This book is nothing but propaganda. The authors have no credibility. They have charged that Obama is a Muslim and a “vote for Obama is a vote for sharia law”.

    Do you agree?

    Four far right republican members of congress have requested an investigation based on the claims in the book. However, despite your claims for thousand of pages of evidence the four republicans produced a single page CAIR strategy document which shows CAIR to be nothing more than a typical lobbying group.

    Here is the document.

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM138_091014_cair.html

    +++++

    You launch insult after insult and deride anyone who challenges your viewpoints and yet complain when you receive an abusive rejoinder.

    By contrast, Zoe is more akin to parody, and one can only chuckle when he launches his verbal assaults wheras you are just simply offensive and invite the abuse you receive.

    No go on, cry ad hominem.

    Maybe someone will shed a tear for you.


  39. Thanks Technician for that article.

    It galls me to know that the US supports the Israelis actions to the tune of $5 billion dollars a year. Without that money, the country would have been overrun already.

    If Borack had any backbone he would tell Israel to shape up or he would cut the funding. But, as Hopi says, seems he has no balls and is just a puppet.

    Dont waste anymore time on Zoe. I have a friend from the MIddle East who speaks Persian. She heard the original speech by Ahmadinejad and said it was a mis translation by the US. Ahmadinejad said there was no country called Israel and there should be no country called Israel. Israel was a race of people. The land was Canaan and Palestine – NO ISRAEL!!!


  40. @Hopi, my dear, I have NO intention of doing your homework for you; it is patently a fact, where news networks, all over the world, carried the now infamous statement made by Ah-MAD-dine-jad sometime during the month of October, 2005, during his speech to “The World Without Zionism” conference in Asia.

    Use your own fingers, and visit ‘Wiki’ where it is all there, the convoluters who want to say that the Persian was not correctly rendered (translated) by the Western media, hence denying that this MAD-MAN said the words, “Wipe off” the map, etc.

    I know your ‘tricks’ Hops, but you can’t fool me, it is a waste of time!

    One such comment on Wiki, at least there are honest translators from within Iran.

    “But translators in Tehran who work for the President’s office and the foreign ministry disagree with them…Sohrab Mahdavi one of Iran’s most prominent translators, and Suiamak Namaze, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say “Wipe off” or “Wipe away” is more accurate than “vanish” because the Persian verb is active and transitive.”

    Also, ‘The Middle East Media Research (MEMRI) translates the phrase, as to “be eliminated from the pages of history.”
    (Wiki)

    The damage-control people who want to minimize what Ah-MAD-dine-jad said in Persian, that Israel should be “Wiped off” the earth, will NOT cut it; as it is out there; what he said in Persian, as confirmed by the two above mentioned Iranians, IS correct, one way or the other.

    That vicious, little, demonically activated, Satanically inspired Islamist, cannot take back his words, his arrogance and stupidity in making such an inference, will bring him down, and cause untold misery for Iranians, many of whom do NOT want him as their leader.

    If, any foolish Middle East country, should ever attempt such folly, in trying to “wipe” Israel of the map, their necks will be broken, as Israel, already for a long time, are on 24/7 standby, just waiting for any Arab country, Iran included, to just try it, it will be the beginning of World War III, and while Israel will be severly devasted, with millions killed, she will TAKE with her in destruction, ALL of the Arab capitals,
    beginning with Damascus, et al, as what she has used thus far, in military conflict, IS only a fraction, of a fraction of its true military might; and the Arabs and Ah-MAD-dine-jad KNOW this!

    Every time the Arabs sought to ‘Wipe’ Israel, off the map, beginning in 1948, literally hours after its declared statehood, then again in 1967, they, (Arabs) learned the hard way, DON’T MESS with Israel, as she will NOT be defeated, NOR wiped off the map, as that LAND is theirs, the true refugees, who had to leave a number of Arab and other Middle East nations, after been bonified citizens in the countries for there hundreds and hundeds of years, when their rightful ‘home’ land was given back to then in 1948.

    The disguisting Arabs states, that could easily have accomodated the Palestianians, who were told by their Arab brothers,’LEAVE’ Israel quickly, as we will destroy her finally, as IT was NOT the Israelis who asked them to leave, NO! NO! NO!, it was the devious Arab nations who PUT their Palestinian brother in Refugee camps, and HAVE continued to keep them in this mess, so as to have an ‘excuse’ to torment Israel as the “occupiers’ nonsense, you can’t ‘occupy’ what IS YOURS; but, Arab ‘Turnspeak’ used repeadly for the past 60 years, a cynical ‘inverting’ and ‘twisting’ of FACTS, to make the true victum, the Jews, state of Israel, appear as the ‘aggressor’ and the poor Palestinians, who are scape-goats for an Arab agenda, to remain under this terrible plight, brought upon them in the first place by their Arab brothers, WHO told them in 1948, GET OUT of Israel. WHY? WHY? WHY?

    Because, the issue HAS never being over land for the Palestinains, NO! NO!
    It IS the EXISTENCE of the state of Israel, the idea of LAND owned and rightfully controled by Jews, in the Middle East, is anthema to Islam, BUT, the LIES told continuously, ‘Turnspeak’ created by Musa Alami, in 1948, “The people are in need of a ‘MYTH” to fill their consciousness and imagination.”

    At least one Arab leader in that era, was honest enough to say it, as it WAS/IS,

    “Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner…They have USED the Palestinian people for their selfish political purposes, This is rediculous and, I could say, even criminal.” (King Hussein of Jordan, 1960).

    What exactly was Hussein referring to?
    The same point made above, which are historic facts; that the other Arab states, in 1948, shortly after the Jews cameback home, for the first time in over 2,000 years, vehemently consorted, to WIPE Israel off the map, telling their Palestinian brothers, to GET OUT of Israel, so they could DESTROY her; BUT, it did NOT work, the Palestinians who were then in refugee camps, were KEPT there by the Arab states who told them in the first place, GET OUT, there are millions of square miles of land throughout the Arab world, to have created hundreds of Palestinian states for these refugees, BUT, NO, keep them there suffering, so we can use them as a scapegoat, while we work on, and figure out how we can some day, ‘Wipe’ Israel off the map.

    That is precisely why Arafar turned down the offer of over 95% of the West Bank and others areas for an Palestinian state, he could NOT accept this extremely generous concesion by Israel, as he would NO longer have an legitimate excuse to continue tormenting Israel with suicide terrorist bombers!

    The vicious, nasty lies, cleverly used for 60 years, ‘Turnspeak’ invert the FACTS, twist the TRUTH, make the Jews look like the agressors, if repeated often enough through propaganda, the world will believe the LIE, we will gain the sympathy of the world, for our deceitful cause and agenda, and they will HATE the Jews, so said, so done!


  41. @GEM,

    “……and to help those who do not understand how the rhetorical — and at a certain level, propagandistic — tactics of distraction, distortion, demonising accusation and polarisation work; or why they are often resorted to by extremists.”

    ++++

    LOL

    And this describes “Muslim Mafia” perfectly.

    Hypocrite anyone?


  42. being christian is not a crime
    but
    hating people is called a hate crime


  43. @Zoe……….I think the best place we can start is with recorded history. Which came first human civilization or christianity? And does your christianity begin with ‘Adam & Eve.’

    You still haven’t posted the exact words of the Iranian leader!

    Oh, Zoe, the cussing from the depths of a christian is very VILE not unlike BILE, VILE ZOE, VILE. Were I to just scan this blog I’d swear that you were little Boyblue from down in de rumshop! its VILE!


  44. In the interests of true journalism the exact phrase translated from Farsi was
    ” erase Israel from the map of the Middle East”.
    Carry on


  45. @Straight Talk……….Is that what he really said?


  46. @GEM,

    “By way of comparison, had France and the UK acted decisively when Hitler sought to re-occupy and militarise the Rhineland, he would have been stopped at a far lower cost than the up to 40 millions”

    “For reasons that are deeply roted in the history of such attempts, including the last two major ones: Communism and Fascism ”

    +++

    Your constant need to invoke Hitler and fascism reflects the paucity of your arguments to justify aggression as “defense”.

    Rather than make the case on its merits, you simply resort to fear mongering analogies.

    Surely you can do better than that.


  47. Here is a little balance to the claims of this book,

    http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/200910150008


  48. Here is some info on David Gaubatz from the website of CAIR that bring some perspective on the mindset of the individuals behind this book.

    +++

    “CAIR noted that the blogger is a former employee of the racist group Society of Americans for National Existence (SANE). On its now members-only website, SANE offered a policy proposal that would make it illegal to be a Muslim: “Whereas, adherence to Islam as a Muslim is prima facie evidence of an act in support of the overthrow of the US. [sic] Government through the abrogation, destruction, or violation of the US Constitution and the imposition of Shari’a on the American People…It shall be a felony punishable by 20 years in prison to knowingly act in furtherance of, or to support the, adherence to Islam.”

    In explaining why he seeks to infiltrate mosques and Islamic institutions nationwide, the hate blogger who targeted CAIR wrote on the SANE web site: ‘…the real answer to Why is the fact that in this country, our government and its myriad of agencies and bureaucracies have determined that a priori Islam itself is NOT the evil ideology it in fact is.”

    SANE’s web site once contained the following white supremacist language as part of its mission statement: “America is a unique people bound together through a commitment to America’s Judeo-Christian moral foundation and to an enduring faith and trust in G-d and in His Providence…America was the handiwork of faithful Christians, mostly men, and almost entirely white, who ventured from Europe to create a nation in their image of a country existing as free men under G-d.”

    Other articles on the SANE website made other racist statements that questioned the right of African-Americans and women to vote: “There is a reason the founding fathers did not give women or black slaves the right to vote,’ and ‘Race matters and affects your intelligence. Jews are the smartest white people around. Orientals smarter than Whites. Latinos next. Then Blacks.”

    Another SANE article stated: “Is there something unique about the Black American (or, at least the Black New Yorker) that leads him to murder so disproportionately and to most often kill and victimize his own?”


  49. @GEM,

    Is Gaubatz a credible source?

    Is Gaubatz anti jihadist or anti muslim?

    Simple answers will suffice, thought it is unlikely you are capable of them.

The blogmaster invites you to join the discussion.

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