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Lincoln Lewis, General Secretary (on leave) Guyana Trades Union Congress.
Lincoln Lewis, General Secretary (on leave) Guyana Trades Union Congress

30/07/09

Dear Sir Shridath,

Fraternal Greetings,

This is an open letter with a copy forwarded to Barbadian and Guyanese media. I  have chosen to communicate with you both privately and publicly since the issue that prompted this engagement emanated from public statements attributed to you. I could not help but take notice about your references to “ethnic cleansing” first reported in Stabroek  News (Guyana) June 26, 2009 in relation to the case of Barbados exercising its sovereign right and legal means to regularize undocumented workers and illegal Guyanese immigrants.

One notes that without compelling evidence there was an almost indecent haste to publicly accuse and castigate a sovereign nation and label the regime of Mr. David Thompson as one guilty of intimations of the most heinous crime against humanity.

The denotation and connotations of “ethnic cleansing”, the gruesome images it conjures up, and the international concerns that such claims are capable of evoking are not made less impacting by the qualification of “ intimations”, particularly when made by a distinguished knight of the British throne for whom credibility comes with little question, particularly in our hemisphere and Third World. This makes your statement even more troublesome and dangerous for a developing nation like Barbados.  Based on your stature and intellect, recognized and respected throughout the world as shrewd, many would find it difficult to appreciate that such apparent thoughtless mis-speak was not driven by emotionally driven racial considerations.

Whereas you live in Barbados and are not affected by the conditions creating turmoil, anguish and desperation of your countrymen in Guyana, you would appreciate that the rising number of immigrants to Barbados and Guyanese fleeing their homeland to live in foreign countries is a sign of the nation’s failure to provide for its people, and to prevent them from migrating under any conditions.

As the human rights of Guyanese at home continues to be eroded under the Jagdeo/ PPP government, your voice Sir Shridath is not noted  as one seeking the relief and upholding of law and order, of justice,  and the respect for trade union rights and upholding the Constitution.  Under President Jagdeo there was/ is a death squad which was headed by US prisoner on trial Shaheed ‘Roger’ Khan and which government Ministers Ramsammy and Gajraj are implicated in. Taped conversations also implicate President Jagdeo , other top ranking government and police officers of being associated with drug kingpin Shaheed ‘Roger’ Khan . Hundreds of young black males were brutally murdered and went missing as the government used their murders and torture for political gains. The Guyanese landscape is stained with rampant government corruption  at all  levels, money laundering, narco trafficking, an unharnessed criminal underworld with government connections and support, mismanagement of the affairs of government, nepotism and racial strife promoted by a dictatorial megalomaniac and a government that is more an “ethnocracy”.  The Guyana Constitution is being violated with impunity and there is no regard for the separation of powers of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government. The right to freedom of expression, dissent and association is being eroded. All Guyanese are living in fear but remain divided by racial tensions fueled by a government supported by an Indian base who are kept in fear of their black brothers and sisters who the PPP constantly criminalize and deny the right to a court trial. Africans are being accused then murdered as in the case of Minister Satyadeow ‘Sash’ Sawh case which is now closed after the torturing and subsequent murder of accused David ‘Biscuit’ Leander even as he was in the police lock ups.

Torture is the mode supported by and tolerated by the Jagdeo government to get accused men to give statements implicating themselves. Torture is done by the death squad members as reported in the case of Axel Williams and Mark Thomas also known as Kerzorkee; by  PPP supporters identified as community police who are being armed by the state; by rogue elements of the Guyana Police Force and the Guyana Defence Force.

Guyanese no longer have peace nor a safe environment which they can feel comfortable to raise their families and participate in the development of this nation for all to be able to enjoy regardless of race, or political persuasion.  43 percent of our nation’s gross domestic product is remittances. It is the highest in the hemisphere. The PPP government needs this and is perhaps motivated to engage in a sophisticated form of trafficking in persons as part of it developmental strategy. It is recognized that in excess of 80 percent of our university graduates migrate. Nurses and teachers, among other professionals are also leaving in droves. In response to the exodus and the public concerns about the exodus, the government is on record saying people can leave and it will train more. This is indicative that they are not prepared to put systems in place to create decent jobs as a part of its developmental thrust.

As a young man I was engaged in struggles against previous administrations alongside Dr. Jagan, the PPP, Walter Rodney and others. Today, Freddie Kissoon, Senior Lecturer at the University of Guyana, and political analyst, compares the grievances under the PNC to “boy scout mischief” in comparison to the evil that we see unleashed on Guyana by the Jagdeo/PPP regime. The principles, I stood for are still held dear and sacred. They are built on the understanding and respect for human rights and dignity which fundamentals are being trampled on by President Jagdeo and the PPP regime. Today the PPP is committing crimes against humanity with impunity. There is no excuse for extrajudicial murders and there should be no tolerance for state associated death squads and narco militarism

Dr. Rupert Roopnarine in Stabroek News article published July ,26th 2009  compared his experiences of being locked up for arson under the PNC and noted that: “Apart from the discomfort of being handcuffed behind my back for a night, I suffered no physical abuse. The other comrades who were held at other police stations around the country experienced no physical abuse. Three days later, in response to writs of habeas corpus, we were placed before the Magistrate’s Court where Walter, Omawale and I were charged with arson and released on bail. Mr. Troy Small’s misfortune is that he came under suspicion of having committed the crime of arson not in the dark night of dictatorship but in the bright noon of democracy.”

Sir Shridath, African Guyanese need your distinguished voice raised to defend their rights which are being violated in Guyana under an Indian based government. All Guyanese need the support which you can bring to this nation by lending weight to our cries for true democracy , good governance , accountability , justice , the upholding of human rights for all,  an end  to the lawlessness and government death squad narco relationship .

We need your voice to be raised against the slow genocide that is occurring in Guyana, where the life of Africans, like the days of slavery is losing value, apart from being a useful tool for wealth production.

You are also encouraged to speak out on other aspects of political and worker discrimination, which I am sure you would be apprised of in the media and international reports.

I remind you of the words of US President Obama: “No country is going to create wealth if its leaders exploit the economy to enrich themselves, or police can be bought off by drug traffickers. No business wants to invest in a place where the government skims 20 percent off the top, or the head of the Port Authority is corrupt. No person wants to live in a society where the rule of law gives way to the rule of brutality and bribery. That is not democracy, that is tyranny, and now is the time for it to end”

Guyana needs your voice. I am willing to meet with you to discuss further ways in which you can be of service to all our people. I can be contacted at (info supplied)

Attached are some newspaper articles and other reports that you may find useful for preliminary enquiry.

Yours sincerely,

Lincoln Lewis

Concerned Guyanese Citizen

General Secretary (on leave) Guyana Trades Union Congress.

Sample links to articles regarding Government association with Death Squad and US Drug accused Shaheed ‘Roger’ Khan

July 31, 2009

Dr. Ramsammy purchased spy equipment

July 31, 2009

Roger Khan’s gang had plotted to abduct diplomat’s wife

July  29, 2009

Militarised security equals politicised justice-GHRA

July 29, 2009

Roger Khan ordered Waddell killing- informant tells Simels trial

October 5, 2008

Is the phantom squad still lurking in Guyana?

June 8, 2008

Roger Khan had govt permission to buy surveillance equipment-lawyer

November 14, 2007

The Persaud disclosures

Allegations of torture by Government Officials

December 9, 2008

GHRA condemns use of torture by disciplined services

November 11, 2008

Context of torture allegations needs to be understood-President

November 2, 2008

Torture allegations

September 26, 2008

Torture report will not urge sanctions if culpability established-Luncheon

July 23, 2008

Burnt and beaten prisoner laid to rest

October 13, 2007

GHRA unhappy that serious rights issues remain unresolved


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115 responses to “Open Letter To Sir Shridath Ramphal”


  1. BU edited the addresses from the document presented.

  2. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David and Lincoln Lewis
    May I humbly suggest that this be further edited, and correct “imitations” to what was said, which was “INTIMATIONS”. We have already seen discussion that have changed the actual word used into “practising”. Let’s hunt the man down for the right cause, and no add by a silly slip of the finger.


  3. Well said Lincoln. Trust you to stand up for what you believe in. You have been consistent all these years. Shridath must show that he is impartial with his concerns for Guyanese . Just how he was willing to pronounce on ethnic cleansing he must be bold and speak out against the slow genocide. All the evidence comming out in the US court yet the real criminals , masterminds , architects,, intellectual authors as per Rohee denying wht we ar e witnessing. over four hundred young black men dead and disappeared. many tortured and Jagdeo and his cabal attacking the credibility of the US courts, the Spy shop etc.
    Caricom need to do something


  4. @LIB

    …so corrected!

    Thanks

    Can we be optimistic any of the Caricom leaders will pressure Jagdeo to formally respond to the issues coming out of the US trial?


  5. We have been hashing out this issue for over a month and this person now appears with his “open letter”. I don’t blame Lewis he has his agenda and his agenda is to focus on Guyanese issues not Bajan sensibilities. I would have thought that this would have raised hackles in Barbados as soon as it was said, yet I have not heard one Barbadian Gov’t Representative question Ramphal’s statement. The Barbados Gov’t should have vigorously protested that statement coming as it was from a man of Ramphal’s “stature”

    Are these people like Rip Van Winkle in a deep sleep? The Nation apart from an article by Carl Moore has been silent until Tony Best interviewed Courtney Blackman in the USA but Bajans on the whole seem very blasé about the whole thing.

    People get the Government they deserve


  6. Happy emancipation to all.

    Guyanese you have to stand up and fight, fight, with all your might!!!!!!

    We bajans have to also help our brothers and sisters. The only thing that seperated us on the journey from Africa is land but we are still ONE.

    David, thanks for this post. Let’s wait and see if the Hon. Sir Ramphal will step down from his mighty throne and have talks with Lewis.


  7. @Sargeant

    Bajans are busy enjoying Crop Over but more importantly it is the if it aint affecting me personally why bother syndrome which prevails.


  8. Guyana is in crisis….heaven help us all

    @ David-Caricom leaders are too timid to tell Jagdeo what they think. This region is dominated by Africans yet these leaders continue to be silent to the suffering of African Guyanese under the racist Jagdeo government.

    @ Sargeant- I too am mystified the bajan representatives are allowing Ramphal to get away with the comment. This is powerful stuff. Probably, bajans will wake up when tourists start staying away because Sir Ramphal said the bajan govt is practicing ethnic cleansing.

    Guyana’s problem sound like what you read of happening in far away land or movie. Is this country truly a member of Caricom?


  9. Now it is “intimidations” which is even worse. I just knew that that word would be misconstrued.

    Just a typo!

    David


  10. And now Johnathan ignores it completely!


  11. Is quick to castigate the black leader of Barbados in defence of Indians like hinself, but choose to remain slient about the about the abuses against blacks by an Indian leader like himelf. This is the nature of the mindsets of some Indians, regardless of what political party they were in. They are incapable of seeing wrong when the victim is black and the perpetrator is Indian, and quick to conclude wrong doing when the complainer is Indian and the target of the complaint is black. That is what Guyana and Trinidad produce.

  12. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Lincoln lewis.

    Nuff respect Sir!

    I admire your tenacity,courage and patriotic fervour.

    Shridath ramphal – for I will not use the title ‘Sir’- since I believe he is not worthy of that appellation, has made it quite clear that he is only concerned about the fate of his people – his clan -his ethnic group;the indo guyanese people.

    Mr Lewis may I suggest that during your sojurn in Barbados – you seek out the main radio stations of CBC Radio and VOB and the lone t.v. station of CBC T.V. to put your case on behalf of your guyanese brothers and sisters.

    I hope you are aware that your compatriot roxanne gibbs who is the managing editor of the Nation newspaper although being of afro guyanese descent has not sought to highlight the plight of her fellow afro guyanese brothers and sisters,but has instead sought to align herself with the ruling indo guyanese elite here in Barbados,in the person of ronald saunders,shridath ramphal,ricky singh etc.

    She has given them newspaper space through columns to spread their propoganda and to berate Barbados immigration policy, while remaining silent about the crisis on going in Guyana.

    She has facilitated the orchestrated campaign by starbroek news with the complicity of the said ricky singh and others to try to brow beat Barbados into accepting the feeling refugees of the Republic of Guyana most of whom in recent times are of indian descent.

    You should also be aware that her brother Aubrey Armstrong is, like her safely esconced in Barbados, enjoying the best that Barbados can offer.

    Yes,I will like to confirm in case you are doubtful, that this is the said Aubrey Armstrong who is supposed to be seeking the leadership position of the opposition PNC.

    Not a word of criticisms of the ‘doings of the jagdeo administrtation’ ever crosses his lips.

    Barbados has welcomed them,fed them raised their family,provided them employment opportunities that are boundless,but like fellow guyanese Compton Bourne – when the crunch comes – they refuse to stand up and defend this Nation.

    There is a word that easily comes to mind to describe these persons – but I will leave that for another time.

    So my brother please continue the struggle and use your bully pulpit as head of the Caribbean Congress of Labour to spread the news throughout the region of the atrocities being committed in Guyana.


  13. Ruel, Thank You, and you Themis I hope you are seeing the broader picture of the racist Indian dominated PPP government of Guyana. Mr. Lewis, please call a genral strike so that we can bring down this inept, corupt, immoral, and racist PPP government of Guyana.


  14. I hear PM Jadeo is in Jamaica for a five day visit on an invitation by PM Bruce Golding to participate in the Jamica emancipation.This is fraud on the people of jamaica to have a man of Jadeo moulding in their midst on this special ocassion given the politics of Guyana.I think PM golding is in denial or he is lacking in judgement.


  15. General Secretary Lincoln Lewis expresses gratitude to BU for the support. Errors pointed out have been corrected and a revised copy will be sent to the goodly gentleman. On behalf of the BU household our hearts and prayers are with you brother.


  16. David, I do not mean to split hairs but how can a regime be “guilty of intimations”. I am aware of your views and those of most on this thread in this matter, but this statement creates an absurdity. It might be better merely to repeat what Sir Shridath said and then let people misinterpret it.


  17. I am of the opinion that Barbados is owed a full unequivocal public apology by this gentleman…and nothing less should be accepted.

    This matter will never go away and it should be addressed at the earliest opportunity. To besmirch the good name of Barbados, the Government of Barbados and Barbados citizens in this way is unforgivable.

    This remark will forever be etched on the consciousness of Barbadians.


  18. @Themis

    What are you trying to say?

    Here is Ramphal exact quote: “The knock on the door at night’ is not within our regional culture; still less are intimations of `ethnic cleansing’”.

    Themis, does this excuse Ramphal’s statement or makes his argument more appreciative?


  19. Themis, I understand your concerns for accuracy. Sir Shridath did not accuse Barbados of ethnic cleansing. What he did could be called “intimations” of an accusation.
    His darn eyes pass the Barbadian government and those are dangerous words to use to describe the Bajan action regardless of th use of the qualifying term “intimation” which is the argument that lewis has advanced.


  20. I tire of this, Johnathan. This is my final comment on this matter. Did Ramphal say that the intimations were coming from him?


  21. @Themis

    I pray you do not grow tired, because learning in itself, though as times tiring, can be very empowering.

    Ramphal in his speech was making reference to Caribbean integration, free movement and a country’s immigration policy. Given that and what he has said about “intimations of ‘ethnic cleansing’”, who can these words be attributed to?

    Further, even if he was quoting someone, the fact that the term was used in context of the above, and given the fact he used it to support his concerns and NOT that of disagreeing, who can the words be attributed to?

    The words I am using here are not mine, i.e., I did not create them, but they have become mine in the context of what I am saying. I am the author and therefore shoulder the responsibility for the thoughts, implications flowing therefrom.

    Semantics can’t absolve Ramphal for demeaning Barbados with such a strong term and its implications for B’dos as Lewis had pointed now.

    Ramphal is the author of that speech and he has to own it or clarify what he meant. Let’s see if Lewis’ open letter to him will be used to do just that. And if Ramphal did not say that why has he not come out and clarify his position?

    Learning, though as times tiresome is liberating….Let’s continue the disourse


  22. Themis: As an advocate (just a guess) you should know that the same principles that work in a law court don’t work in the court of public opinion. Intimations; Imitations; Intimidations etc. when coupled with “ethnic cleansing” is like striking a match in a cane field filled with “trash”. A bucket of water won’t work, it will take several fire trucks to put that fire out.

  23. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Sargeant, you’re right about no one caring about the qualifiers, as I have also said. But Sir ‘s position tells us something about accountability and I think we woefully lack it in the region. I will try to tackle this this weekend.


  24. Willy Lynch is credited with proclaiming that the lesson of self denigration and interdivision instilled in the black man will endure for 1000 years. Well he was right. All over the WEB Guyanese blogs frequented by Indian Guyanese attack and use racial slurs and stereotype to refer to blacks in general. But black run newspapers in Jamaica, the Observer to be exact, refuse to publish the anguish of black Guyanese protesting the invite of their oppressor to Jamaica during emancipation observances. Note that the Guyana President did not invite the leader of Jamaica to INdian Arrival day. I guess we still find it difficult to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery as Bob Marley implored.


  25. i called before and i calling again for sonny to leave barbados. he has insulted barbadians with his foolish talk about ethnic cleansing. he should be asked to leave barbados. if barbados is practising ethnic cleansing, why is he still drawing up his ass in barbados. he should be asked to leave.

  26. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @sylvan, one person with whom I discussed the words and later silence of Sir S agreed with that he could have ‘walked away’ from the words very quickly. What we don’t know but assume is that he has not made peace in private with the Barbados govt. SenM McLean’s comments suggest this had not been done yet when she was on CBC with Peter Wickham. My take on it like all others is personal and I am left to wonder if the silence is indeed a sort of assent to his own remarks or shows an unwillingness to lose face. That regional governments chose him to mediate between WICB and WIPA also speaks volumes. Are the politicians at one but citizens at odds?


  27. Lewis letter is very profound. Sounds liek a man with cajones and not afraid of taking on the untouchable Ramphal.

    Anyone one to bet if Ramphal will meet Lewis?

    David, did Lewis send his letter to the Nation and Adovcate? If he did not, can you advise him to do so please. I want to see if the mainstream media have the b#@lls to carry this tough talking letter.


  28. @Themis

    Understand your inclination to dwell on the technical but in our judgement Mr. Lewis has made his point, and well.

    @Mash up and Tom

    Mr. Lewis seems to be following the comments of support and feedback offered on BU, no doubt he will act as he thinks necessary to achieve his objectives.


  29. Quote from Lewis

    “One notes that without compelling evidence there was an almost indecent haste to publicly accuse and castigate a sovereign nation and label the regime of Mr. David Thompson as one guilty of intimations of the most heinous crime against humanity.”

    Barbadians, this is a crucial statement. Will Thompson and his people ask Ramphal to produce evidence of ethnic cleansing?


  30. Themis,
    Where are you? Please do not be frustrated. There is good will here. We can disagree on the issues, words etc and continue to argue to ensure that there is common understanding. Look how your alertness led to Mr. Lewis correcting his letter. He did appreciate the criticisms I am sure. If you believe what you are saying is right then just ensure that you put up good supporting arguments and be open to what others are saying even as you do. You may not always win outright.

  31. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    The regional government did not choose ramphal as mediator for the W.I. cricket impasse,bharat jagdeo who WIPA CEO R amnarine went to, is the person who as head of caricom selected ramphal as mediator.

    You think jagdeo called around the leaders to discuss this?

    Apanjaat all over again – indians look out for your own.


  32. Sas, Johnathan, David,

    I am not going anywhere, [I love an argument, but I had an afternoon engagement] but I realise that my defence of Ramphal will come to naught on this thread. Could it be that he reads this blog, and this is where he got his intimations of ethnic cleansing, but is ashamed to admit it?


  33. @ Themis,

    I love an argument that is elucidating and edifying. In this spirit I am enclosing Ramphal’s two statements as taken from the Guyana media.

    1. “He maintained that ‘The knock on the door at night’ is not within our regional culture; still less are intimations of ‘ethnic cleansing’”.
    Source: http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/news/local/06/27/sir-shridath-%E2%80%98we-forget-our-oneness-at-our-peril%E2%80%99/comment-page-2/

    2. “During an interview with members of the media, yesterday, at the International Conference Centre, Liliendaal, East Coast Demerara, Sir Shridath referred to ethnic cleansing as it relates to the Barbados issue, where that country’s Prime Minister, David Thompson, has implemented a new immigration policy.

    Sir Shridath quoted an editorial in a Barbados newspaper, “The Nation”, which noted that one of the problems with Guyanese immigrants, and immigrants in general is that Barbados must not allow its racial balances to be disturbed by immigration.

    ‘This says that we must not allow ethnic racial elements in the immigration process to upset the racial balance that was established in Barbados. What I am saying is that there have been intimations of ethnic cleansing,’ Sir Ramphal said.”

    Source: http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2009/07/04/free-movement-does-not-mean-illegal-residency-prime-minister-skeritt/

    Now, Themis, using the above sources as premise please elucidate and edify me

    1. What is Ramphal saying?
    2. Is it sufficient to source an editorial in the Nation to make the damning statemnet of ethnic cleansing in BIM?

    3. And is Lewis wrong in calling Ramphal’s aspersions and asking him to join him and correct the mess in Guyana ?


  34. Johnathan,

    1 He is saying exactly what I thought he meant all along, that some entity, other than himself, stated or INTIMATED that Barbados should not allow certain ethnicities in.

    2 The Nation, in spite of its lowbrow journalism, boasts the wider circulation by far of the two newspapers. It was indeed sloppy of Ramphal to use a single editorial as “intimationS”, but an intimation it was and there might have others, present company not excepted.

    3 For Mr Lewis to challenge Ramphal in my view, he must establish that there were no such “intimations”, as Ramphal intimated. Do you yourself, Johnathan, wish to deny that there were such INTIMATIONS?


  35. Themis, I disagree with your respone. Here’s why. A man of Ramphal’s stature knows that he can’t use the editorial of a newpaper, which is someone’s opinion, to source or draw inference.

    His assertion is even more questionable given the fact the Nation has consistently taken an anti-Thompson stand on the immigration issue.

    The fact-which Lewis points out- that Barbados is trying to enforce its right and laws by regularising illegals and un-documented workers, which Ramphal, a lawyer by training has sought to ignore makes his one wonder what is his “intimations”

    If I am to believe what you are saying, then Ramphal is over-rated or does not deserve his knighthood. The argument does not hold, Themis.

    On Lewis. I do not see his letter as a challenge. I see him as disagreeing with Ramphal and having the guts to publicly say so. Further, I see him as asking Ramphal, a fellow Guyanese, to join him to fix the mess in Guyana…

    What sayeth thou?


  36. Johnathan,

    No one denies Barbados the sovereign right to enforce its immigration laws, not even Ramphal. All he was saying is that it is not West Indian to isolate one ethnic group for exclusion.

    I don’t agree that the editorial is merely “someone’s” opinion. It is supposed to be the newspaper’s view.

    We are at one that the MESS in Guyana needs fixing…and soon…Thing is, Corbin seems such a poor option.


  37. Themis,

    Isn’t the Lady of Justice blind? How can immigration law “isolate one ethnic group for exclusion?” I think it would more isolate the wrong doers, which is what the law sets out to do in the first place.

    Given the frame work within which the law is being applied -regularising status- how relevant is the reference that it may negatively impact one group over the other?

    Jamaica, for instance, is predominantly African. Where is the the ethnic cleansing here? Or has Ramphal forgotten this? (Remember, Ramphal made it clear he is talking about racial isolation-based on a Nation’s editorial)

    There is a disconnect between the so-called Nation editorial Ramphal alluded to, which I am yet to see, and the anti-Thompson agenda of the papers.

    We agree about the mess in Guyana. Appreciate the use of capitals, which it is.

    Corbin may be a poor option- a view I share- but it does not give the PPP the right to do what they are doing. Here again is where Lewis seems to be trying to get Ramphal to focus on.

    If my memory serves me right, Jagan was not so good either. It was the WPA, African middle-class and some trade unions who really challenged the PNC.

    Until Corbin gets his act together, or go, men like Ramphal, Lewis, Witter and Benschop and others should be filling the vacumn.

    We too can do our part in condemning what is happening to our fellow caribbean brothers and sisters, regardless of their ethnicity. Rights are rights are rights are colour blind. I am sure you’ll agree.


  38. @Themis

    I don’t agree that the editorial is merely “someone’s” opinion. It is supposed to be the newspaper’s view.

    The newspaper’s view (Nation) is still an opinion.


  39. But don’t you see, Johnathan? Ramphal was not saying that ethnic cleansing was Government policy nor was the knock on the door. In fact, he was not criticising the Government at all. He was criticising first, the immigration and second, those who would exclude certain Guyanese based on their ethnicity.

    I agree that we can condemn Guyana and what seems to be happening there… regardless of ethnicity.


  40. Just saw your post, David. Yes, it is an opinion, but it is too an intimation. As I said in my last post, Ramphal did not say that the policy was official Government policy.


  41. Themis, you HIT the hammer on the nail!!!

    Here’s your decisive blow: “Ramphal was not saying that ethnic cleansing was Government policy nor was the knock on the door. ”

    FACT- Immigration policy and law enforcement are the govt’s responsibility.

    Given that you know this, I know this, and Ramphal MUST know this, then there was no need for his statement in the first place. Especially since the statement was in reaction to the Nation’s editorial and NOT that of a govt official!

    Given what we can all agree – policy and law enforcement are govt domain- then Ramphal was indeed dis-ingenious and we may need to revisit Lewis’ comments that “Based on [Ramphal] stature and intellect, recognized and respected throughout the world as shrewd, many would find it difficult to appreciate that such apparent thoughtless mis-speak was not driven by emotionally driven racial considerations.”

    If brings us back right to where we started. What prompted such a comment from Ramphal and shouldn’t he apologise?


  42. But don’t you see, Johnathan, that since Ramphal was not criticising Government policy, no offence should have been taken at that level?

    Negroman and Scout on this blog indulge themselves in intimations of ethnic cleansing but no one mistakes this for government policy. Is it to be considered a criticism of the Barbados government if someone says that Negroman and Scout’s behaviour is not West Indian?

    Or is it that we are accrediting this statement much more weight than it deserves because it was Ramphal who said it? I don’t think that he says much of any depth, anyway.


  43. Themis

    I have some difficulty with your argument. If Scout and Negroman go to the Nation;CBC or VOB and deliver their opinions do you think anyone would listen? The Police would be called to let them cool off their heels at Central Police Station.

    What do you think the response would be for Ramphal? They would be falling over every word, every statement. It would be front page headlines and would lead the Evening News.

    In light of your previous entries I expected a more coherent line of reasoning. You sure you ain’t drinking some see thru?


  44. Not yet, Sarge- LOL. But you make my point very well for me; this quote only gained legs because Ramphal said it. But it really was nothing much.


  45. Themis

    I disagree, it is precisely because of who said it that the statement has so much currency. This man was the Chief Mandarin of the Commonwealth and people will pay attention. They won’t consider him to be a rabble rouser seeking to stir up trouble


  46. Themis

    Ease up on the use of “West Indies/Indian. Some Guyanese don’t consider themselves West Indian, they think of themselves as South American.

    I prefer Caribbean at least we will be giving the original inhabitants some credit and not named after someone’s mistake


  47. Sargeant // August 1, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Themis

    Ease up on the use of “West Indies/Indian. Some Guyanese don’t consider themselves West Indian, they think of themselves as South American.
    ————————————————-

    Funny you should say that. I saw an article this morning and thought nothing of it until the subject of it’s contents stated where he was from.

    [US-based Guyanese Aubrey Boyce has won New York’s second-largest lottery jackpot, the US$133 million Mega Millions Lottery]

    [49-year-old wore sunglasses and would only reveal that he was married with no children and had been born “somewhere in South America”. ]

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/news/local/07/31/us-based-guyanese-wins-new-york-us133m-lotto/


  48. Is this the same man who in 1995, called for a one world government, stating that “A world government and world army are the ONLY way forward?” Is this the same Shridath who said that the UN should be empowered to ‘raise global revenue for global purposes?’ The same Shridath who said that ‘NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY” was outmoded? The same Ramphal who called for an APEX economic body within the UN i.e. an Economic Security Council?

    This man clearly does not give a damn about the sovereignty of Barbados. He works for the global cabal. That’s why he can sit in Barbados and “shit on Barbados” while none of the other long-whiskered billy goats will call him to task. He clearly does not answer to David Thompson furthermore the lilliputians.

    His masters are proud of him!

    These sort of beings are dangerous to sovereign nations. This integration that they are coercing upon the world thru economic collapse, bogus wars on terror, manufactured diseases…. is not for the better of the people.Their form of integration is for one PURPOSE only …..and that is for total global domination by this same global cabal. Just have that filthy corrupt nano few control and dominate every aspect of our lives.

    He does not have the interest of Sovereign Barbados at heart nor any other sovereignty for that matter.

    He is not of the people, by the people nor for the people.


  49. Ricky Singh on Dr. Gopeesingh invocation of “Ethnic Cleansing” in Trinidad.

    My guess is that Ricky sees a huge difference between Tim’s use of the phrase and Shridath’s “intimations” of the same. Or should I take note of the fact he sought to defend himself and not Shridath saying he (Shridath) can defend himself, against Carl Moore’s accusation of them both;… in Ricky’s case that he indirectly referred to ‘Apartheid” while characterizing some activity in Barbados.

    [Trinidad and Tobago, Opposition MP Dr Tim Gopeesingh was on the offensive with allegations of “ethnic cleansing” at the State-run Port of Spain General Hospital

    It is baffling to me as a Caribbean journalist who has lived and worked in Trinidad and Tobago and with resident family members in what remains the most cosmopolitan of Caricom societies, that a reputable doctor and experienced politician like Gopeesingh could have so trapped himself by his accusation of “ethnic cleansing”.

    know of a number of cases involving racist attitudes and racial discrimination within Caricom; and I have also been sensitised to deep-rooted racism in the Dominican Republic with Haitians as primary victims.

    But I am unaware of any official policy of “ethnic cleansing” anywhere in the region. For anyone to confuse racial discrimination, or a known example of racism, with the crime of “ethnic cleansing” is to invite public ridicule and endanger one’s standing in the national ]community.

    http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161510324


  50. @Adrian Hinds….Good Mawning!

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