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Sir Shridath Surendranath "Sonny" Ramphal, OE, OM, GCMG, ONZ, AC, QC, FRSA
Sir Shridath Surendranath "Sonny" Ramphal, OE, OM, GCMG, ONZ, AC, QC, FRSA

An article in the Nation News by Wade Gibbons published 6-29-2009 attributed the following comments to Mr Inniss: “Minister of Health Donvile Inniss disclosed that public health facilities were under mounting pressure as a result of having to deal with the high number of undocumented immigrants. However, he told the Daily Nation that Government would not change its policy of not seeking to know people’s immigrant status before providing them with health care”. The Prime Minister David Thompson had previously made the Government’s position, direction and focus abundantly clear in an interview.

In the many articles now prevalent in the Guyanese Press and other areas, it is unlikely that this report will be given “top billing”. The reason being it does not demonise the Barbados Government enough, and has not got the illegal immigrant being preyed upon component, to wet the appetites of some who denigrate us from abroad. However, facts accurately presented will always reduce the lies and deceit now pedalled into convulsions.

I was pleased with the measured tone used by Minister Donvile Inniss; no “vitriolic exhibitionism” as recently used by a “supposed West Indian heavyweight”, but those words he – the supposed heavyweight – used…will come back to haunt him. A knight errant – in days past – often wandered and sought deeds of courage and chivalry to perform; now we have the “wandering” but alas nothing else with which to engage. The knighted one tried to obfuscate on the ground reality by introducing terminology synonymous with people been burned out of their homes; children being wrenched apart from their mothers and taken away in the night, leaving behind the smouldering embers of their dwellings, and fathers never seen again, having been taken to secluded places.

Minister of Health Donville Inniss
Minister of Health Donville Inniss

It is so sad that in a moment of “injudicious mouthings” he allowed an emotional outburst to blemish his undoubted achievements…keep your composure when others lose theirs, it sets you apart from the pack, and justifies your position of eminence. I will not repeat the words he used here, as that would give them a new burst of life; neither will I defile this submission for it later to be “cleansed”…we are a tolerant people.

When the morning mist has been cleared from this illegal immigration debate and the vitriol spewed at us Barbadians has melted like snow flakes in a desert sun; Barbados will be stronger, more united and a cohesive society. For the brothers and sisters who misguidedly sought temporary succour outside our encampment, you are still our own. To the “legal Guyanese” who remain, you will still be our friends and be most welcome, but we have drawn a line in the sand to distinguish between common sense and folly.

Barbados is not a bandit country where the Laws can be disregarded. In all successful countries when a crisis looms a leader of worth steps forward to lead; throughout the ages that is what has separated the successful from the rest…the Caribbean is no different. When the question is asked why has Barbados been so successful in comparison with some of our Caribbean brothers…that is the reason. In due course other Caribbean leaders will also make a principled stand on illegal immigrants and the Prime Minister of Guyana Barat Jagdeo will be forced to remove the heavy carapace from the backs of “all” his people; instead of expecting member states of CARICOM to be heavily burdened because of his incompetence.


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  1. Enjoy your stay in Beantown. I hope the Bosox go on a losing run (sorry AH)

    No need for apologies. I don’t “follow” bat and ball games, but ever in the persuit of a sweat I will play.

    http://rumshoplime.shutterfly.com/51

  2. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Sargeant
    Wow! It’s amazing how a brief ‘holding reply’ can generate a treatise: the danger of following mere coutesies.

    However, as Beantown is bathed in sunshine, which locals attribute to our arrival, I will go with the sunny disposition and put off further comment till I get over the travel horrors.

    I am no Red Sox fan. I am a Baltimore Orioles fan, though, and I just found out that they play on Sunday afternoon. Now that shows that some cares for me. I think…

  3. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Sargeant
    I will look at the NZ matter, which I had not seen. (I was on the road most of the week, so far.)

    But read and think about how the years of enslavement and mistreatment of one group by another can be/has been absolved (or so the blossoming of tourism would suggest), so that their descendants are happy to be in each others’ company. Then think about the concerns that have been voiced. No reply needed…yet. Just thought.

    I will look for a nice bar.

    Where meeting is better is that this ‘thread talk’ is no substitute for real dialogue.

    I will think if it’s too late to try to get a place to study at the Kennedy School at Harvard. All this time bashing my brain in Bim should be put to some use.
    Have a wonderful evening.

  4. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @AH
    “No need for apologies. I don’t “follow” bat and ball games, but ever in the persuit of a sweat I will play.

    http://rumshoplime.shutterfly.com/51

    [Got to say that’s a great picture.]

  5. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Sargeant
    “Man you singing from the same song sheet…”
    [Cultural delinkage is an important aspect for us, who are descended from slaves, and (history tells us) had our culture ripped from us/suppressed, etc. as distinct from those who were say brought as indentured workers, and were closer to being free people.

    That some have their culture in tact should not be a cause of criticism. It’s what many hold onto when they have to move from home. This I am sure I will have reinforced by my friends here. What culture we as Caribbean peoples have/had, we took with us to places like the UK, and it caused strife for us, because ‘our ways’ were thought to be strange (music, food, lifestyle, you name it). Our ‘spicy’ food was called ‘smelly’ etc. That is the blight of the immigrant, moreso, if he/she seems easy to spot individually or collectively.

    Many of us gained Christianity, and it’s also an interesting history lesson to look back at the role of the Anglican Church is supporting slavery before abolition [Coddrington was a famous anti-abolitionist area], and say the Methodists for trying to overturn it. The belief in God that we developed is not the same as that now practised by those who gave it to us (the Caribbean is much more conservative, if I can simplify), and though it has served most of the Caribbean societies well, our strand is also setting us apart (look at the Caribbean Diocese positions at Synod). But, our sameness and separateness are givens.

    Many religions and cultures have bars/barriers, and if you look carefully I think you will find that they are often strong and act as chasms. Look at Anglicanism/Catholicism divide, and tell me if that just an easy matter to get past.

    Whether Sir S. and I think the same is unlikely to have anything to do with what we did for our work, but maybe because of the way we think we are more comfortable working across national lines. I cannot postulate if there is some sort of ‘self selection’. But, trust me, those who have wide international experience are not free from some shuddering bigotry.

  6. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Sargeant
    On the NZ stories, I don’t have much of a reaction. ‘Managed migration’ has that kind of result: it’s recently been flagged in Malaysia (jobs for Malays first, foreigners go home…), and long been practised in the Gulf States, where Indians have felt the brunt of this kind of ‘want you, don’t want you’ shift in attitude to migrant workers. But, that is part of the risk of going on such programs. I don’t know what kind of provisions for termination the PM will include in the policy due in a few weeks.

    Ironically, I met a British lady headed to NZ from Bim on my flight today; she’d just visited her father who is on contract here in the IT field. She said she is always heart broken to leave Bim after her 3-4 month visits. Take that whereever you want.


  7. Sargeant did you learn anything from those four responses????? wow!


  8. AH

    Perhaps LIB was suffering from “jet lag” after his 5 hour flight. He has to suffer through watching his team the Orioles play this weekend. They are now in last place behind the “Blew Jays”.

  9. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Sargeant/AH (we should not hijack this thread)
    “Jet lag” is easing due to the gorgeous sunshine in Beantown. A trip to Fenway alerted me that it’s Kansas on the docket this w/e.

    Thanks to Steve Jobs shop on Boylston St, I can see that waves of immigration (legal and illegal) have left a wonderful legacy in this city at least. This is mere casual observation, and wholly devoid of data.

    The way that the Puritans dealt with those who did not fit in is a scary reminder of what can happen. But, how ironic that the Puritans, having run away from various forms of religious intolerance found themselves overwhelmed by Irish and Italian Catholics.

    On CCJ, I spoke to a DPP from one of our islands, and he told me the story is complicated, but in a nutshell, CCJ was not the ‘easy route’ to hard decisions that some countries had hoped.

    Trust the rain has abated in Bim.


  10. We had a read of Rickey Singh’s latest column and it rasied some questions. Hope the BU family can help!

    OUR CARIBBEAN: Of sovereignty, immigrants and statistics

    Published on: 7/10/2009.

    by RICKEY SINGH

    NOW THAT the Caribbean Community’s 30th Heads of Government Conference in Guyana is over, it is relevant to note that the controversy that erupted over the issue of "sovereign right" by a member state to introduce its "domestic immigration policy" should not have been manifested as occurred as this right was NOT questioned by ANY government of CARICOM. In existence for 36 years, CARICOM is recognised as a "community of sovereign states" committed to regional economic integration and functional cooperation with the creation of a single market and single economy (CSME) under the Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas as its flagship project.

    The fury exhibited by officialdom, first in Barbados and later in Antigua and Barbuda, with a war of words involving governing and opposition parties, and later extended to sharp political criticisms in St Vincent and the Grenadines, Guyana and Jamaica, had to do with recurring claims of hostile and degrading treatment of CARICOM nationals, mostly Guyanese but with Vincentians and Jamaicans also being victims. In the case of Barbados, by the time Prime Minister David Thompson was ready to talk reassuringly in Georgetown of his Government’s intention to conduct an "independent review" of allegations made against immigration authorities, the victims of ill treatment – incidentally during the first month of a six-month amnesty – had already been "removed" and sent to their native land.

    Antigua and Barbuda, where both the governing United Progressive Party (UPP) of Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer and the previous government of Lester Bird’s Antigua Labour Party (ALP) had benefitted from a claimed "liberal immigration policy" towards CARICOM nationals – mainly from the Dominican Republic, Jamaica and Guyana – has now disclosed its intention to review its "liberal" approach, due to increasing social and economic pressures.

    While in Guyana, Prime Minister Spencer said that CARICOM nationals now account for one third of his country’s electorate. He offered no data in support of the cost to social services to accommodate the non-nationals. Nor has the Barbados Government, to date, offered statistics to show the extent to which the country’s social services are being taxed by the presence of CARICOM nationals.

    It appears that the Government, for all the agony it projects, is still not in a position to offer a realistic assessment of "illegal" CARICOM nationals. And compared to the very significant size of CARICOM nationals on Antigua and Barbuda’s electoral register, the situation in Barbaos is miniscule.

    If we analyze the above by Singh and juxtapose it to what Prime Minister Dean Barrow of Belize and Skerrit of Dominica who has responsibility for free movement in CSME, we think it exposes the above for what it is, journalistic dishonesty. We have Caricom Heads admitting that some members are having problems with immigration yet our leading Caribbean journalist writes the above?

     

    According to the "summary of electors by country of birth" for last year’s general election, "non-citizens of Barbados" on the electoral register totalled 6,246. Of these, Vincentians accounted for 1 838; Guyanese 1 013; and St Lucians 1 198 – altogether 4 039. For those now suggesting ulterior political motives for the presence of CARICOM nationals, it should be noted that even if ALL the Guyanese, Vincentians, St Lucians or Trinidadians (the latter numbered 1 345 electors) had voted FOR the then incumbent Democratic Labour Party, the Barbados Labour Party would still have scored its landslide parliamentary victory.

    Firs of all which party was the incumbent in the last general election, wasn’t it the Barbados Labour Party and wasn’t the general election in Barbados held in 2007 and not last year?  It is late at the time of posting this comment so forgive BU if we have misinterpreted Singh. Next, don’t we have a first past the post system so to make a statement that if all the Caricom nationals had voted for one party or the other it would have had an impact would depend on how those votes were distributed? In other words one would have to look at the individual constituencies and not the voter aggregate.

    To conclude, for now, while respecting the "sovereign right" claim without condoning the ill-treatment meted out to CARICOM nationals compelled to leave Barbados in humiliating circumstances, the promised "independent review" should begin. The statistics on what it may have cost Barbados’ social services, at least within the past three years, to accomodate CARICOM nationals should prove illuminating.

    Last week’s summit has already unanimously "reaffirmed migration as a human right" consistent with the CARICOM treaty and international law.

    * Rickey Singh is a noted Caribbean journalist.

    Didn’t Prime Minister Thompson and more recent Minister McClean identify that since the June Amnesty declaration single digit Guyanese have been deported and about 50 asked to leave with the opportunity to return? Do the numbers declared so far justify the braying from Singh, Brathwaite, Davis, Gonzalves, Jagdeo, Commision (who has gone strangely silent since being exposed) et al?


  11. David

    It appears that the Government, for all the agony it projects, is still not in a position to offer a realistic assessment of “illegal” CARICOM nationals. And compared to the very significant size of CARICOM nationals on Antigua and Barbuda’s electoral register, the situation in Barbaos is miniscule.
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    The above had me scratching my head, does he mean Barbados should wait until the non national vote reaches the proportion of Antigua’s before it declares that there is a problem? Also I didn’t get the point about the non nationals voting for the DLP or the BLP either but he is a “noted” Caribbean journalist so it must intelligible to someone. (As an aside does anyone at the Nation ever edit or proofread articles?).

    Earlier there was mention of Bajan fishermen being arrested for fishing off Tobago, yet when Barbados tries to enforce its Immigration laws there is a hue and cry from some regional leaders and “noted” journalists. BTW next time a Bajan fisherman is arrested for fishing illegally in Trinidad or St. Vincent waters he should get a lawyer to reclaim his catch since there is a school of thought that illegal aliens being deported have a right to their property.

    What the hell does “migration is a human right” mean? Can I just up and migrate to any country?

    The General Election was held in January 2008.

  12. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    This article reads mightily strangely, as if it were a draft that somehow got published without final checking. So, I will ignore most of its contents.

    Just for Sargeant, the issue of rights to property and illegal activity I have mentioned before. A person acting illegally in one sphere is not tarred with the brush of ‘all you do is illegal’. The illegal fisherman has no rights to his catch (illegal), but we may presume that he owns legally his boat and can therefore keep it.

    The illegal immigrant has to face sanctions in the area of legality of entry and length of stay, and it is to be proven if the person did other illegal things. Prima facie, his/her property cannot be assumed to have been acquired illegally and therefore liable for confiscation. There may be penalties to be faced regarding any income an illegal person earned (eg, unpaid taxes) and he or she may need to sell some possessions to deal with those sanctions, but there needs to be a process of assessment and levying.


  13. Sargeant,

    Although I disagree with some of your other statements, I too am having trouble with this migration as a human right assertion. They probably meant that it is a PRIVILEGE subject to the right of the host country to determine its extent, but a RIGHT involves a duty on the part of another, and I cannot see which country has a duty to facilitate migration!


  14. @Themis, Sargeant
    Migration as a human right makes little sense. Privilege can work. If I were to say to myself what is the man R. Singh talking about I could parse and suggest, each person is free to try to move from where he/she is: no one should be obliged to stay put. But, that’s as far as you can go. No one is under obligation to accept a visitor, therefore, the migrant has to accept that he/she may see the ‘unwelcome’ mat.

    I will amuse myself with seeing how much word play I can get from ‘R. Singh’. A verb, a noun, an adjective, a preposition, multiple usage?


  15. @ Brer Fox, how about GRINSH?


  16. I wanted to live in California my whole life. Since migration is a human right I in the US embassy next week to demand a green card.

  17. livinginbarbadob Avatar
    livinginbarbadob

    @Themis: See another thread on ethnic issues. Grinsh would be a good story for ‘199’ to read.
    :


  18. Could it be this human rights talk is being given currency in the context of what has been agreed by the Caricom Heads under the revised treaty of chaguramus ie we agree to proceed as a group therefore the individual country is bound to administer the agreement.


  19. Themis

    Although I disagree with some of your other statements
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    That’s fine, I’ve posted on a variety of topics and don’t want nor do I expect everyone to agree with me. Diversity of opinion is what makes the blog interesting.

    We can disagree without being disagreeable


  20. Yes, we can, Sarge. Well said!

  21. livinginbarbadob Avatar
    livinginbarbadob

    @Sargeant: Second that motion. New motto for this blog?


  22. @LIB

    What are you implying or saying?

    Based on the particular argument one side may become more strident that the other, it is the nature of the beast. Sunday School anyone?

    🙂

  23. livinginbarbadob Avatar
    livinginbarbadob

    @David: Sunday school? It’s where many learn good manners. You should know that I can ride the waves seriously, satirically, sardonically, sillily, and scornfully. But I try to draw the line at profanities in this space. Perhaps you will make a search or use your memory to tell me where the comments of those who write with a numbered handle fit the disagreement without being disagreeable mould.


  24. Meanwhile in other news, Canada announces Visa requirements for Czechs and Mexicans

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/665768

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