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israel-palestineAs the bombs rain down on the heads of women and children in Gaza…over 460 Palestinians have been killed, to be fair as well as Hamas fighters.  One is tempted to ask when will it all end, but before that question is answered we should ask ourselves when did it begin…I will not venture into Biblical history.  I am also aware of the Hamas rockets fired on the Israeli cities including Sderot and Ashkelon.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation –human beings are being killed – what cannot be denied is that after the Second World War the world disgusted with themselves for the treatment  the Jews suffered, sometimes with the acquiesce of some world powers and silence from others.  Sought to redress the wrongs suffered by the Jews, in so doing it was the Palestinians who had to pay… and they did with their land.  When the Israelis are asked how come you are entitled to these lands, they retort – God gave it to us, it is written in the Bible.  They are not many people today who can show title to land they hold by reference to the Bible in a court of Law…but that is bye the bye.

That Israeli is entitled to live in peace is so obvious that is is not worth stating but so are the Palestinians.

We have had so many Palestinian “bogey men”  who if they were killed or were out of the way all would be sweetness and light but they were killed or died…and there is no sweetness or light.

Do you remember Yasser Arafat, Ariel Sharon said he was an obstacle to peace and without his presence a settlement would ensue.  Arafat is long dead and new fighters and leaders have taken his position.  Do you remember Hamas Sheikh Ahmed Yassin the nearly blind paraplegic who was assassinated by an Israeli helicopter gunship in 2004 he was said to be an obstacle to peace he is gone and yet there is no peace.

The shrouds have been wrapped around babies and they entombed.  Mothers beat their breast and wail, the bombs rain down..there is no peace.

Conflicts have been settled and the world moves on, but I fear the Israeli Palestinian conflict will “grind” on for many a year.  There will be no peace for the price of that peace is an acceptance that the other side is entitled to live in peace and harmony; bold is he/her who will predict that they will see peace in their lifetime in the Holy Land…I fear I will not see it, however there are always surprises in war.

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384 responses to “Palestinians Continue To Pay A Penalty For The World's Misdeeds”

  1. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    BAFBFP
    I too shame man. I thought I was DAN i.e the MAN in the VAN

    seems i get BAN and throw in the FAN as an also RAN

  2. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ GP…

    Humble…..with a sense of humor……

    Impressive!!

  3. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    No…..I forgot to add….Christian, humble….with a sense of humor.

    Even more impressive !!

  4. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    At least not every one in this part of the world is silent…..

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/venezuela.israel/index.html

  5. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Our own editorial today….

    http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/314992631662005.php

  6. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    GP
    Lef’ I … right aye? Ha Ha

  7. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    no eyes the pain got me in tears lol

  8. Saved Avatar
    Saved

    GP

    Do you know this song.
    We used to sing it as youth in Sunday School and Youth Meetings in the late 60’s and 70’s

    What though wars may come,
    With marching feet and beat of the drum,
    For I have Christ in my heart;
    What though nations rage,
    As we approach the end of the age,
    For I have Christ in my heart.
    God is still on the throne, Almighty God is He;
    And He cares for His own through all eternity.
    So let come what may, whatever it is, I only say
    That I have Christ in my heart,
    I have Christ in my heart.

  9. JC Avatar
    JC

    ha ha ha ha ha lol! two of you crazeeeeeeeeeee

    RSPECT! lol lolLOLOLOL

  10. ROK - Banned BFP Avatar
    ROK – Banned BFP

    This is really something else:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7813762.stm

  11. 199 Avatar
    199

    Georgie Porgie // January 6, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    BAFBFP
    I too shame man. I thought I was DAN i.e the MAN in the VAN

    seems i get BAN and throw in the FAN as an also RAN

    *********************

    George, doan tell me dis site driving u crazy, too!!

    *****************

    Saved // January 6, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    *****************

    ‘Saved’!! Who save u!! an what from!!?

  12. 199 Avatar
    199

    Tech, what new sounds coming out of Bim and what can I listen-out for!! or, r u too, old to know!!

    Got a new, Rihanna?!!

  13. Green Monkey Avatar
    Green Monkey

    Former Israeli Air Force Captain, Yonotan Shapira, speaks out on the BBC against Israel’s attack on Gaza. Says Obama “acts like a slave” for not speaking out against it as well.

    I imagine Obama knows well enough he isn’t going to get much mileage with AIPAC by criticizing Israel, no matter how atrocious or inappropriate Israel’s military behaves.

  14. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    SS Hopi’s posts are so offensive as well as untrue I would have thought that even the BU might balk at printing them.

  15. ROK banned BFP Avatar
    ROK banned BFP

    GM

    I like this comment on the video:

    The best way to support Israel is to force them to negotiate a return to legal borders, to accept international law and obey the numerous legitimate UN resolutions against them and to do so with the legally elected and only legitimate government of the Palestinian people, that is Hamas. Then to put massive international pressure on Hamas to fully recognise Israel.

  16. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    I would tell you 199…..BUT…all the new singers who won awards at the BMA last weekend and have nice music have LOCKS.

  17. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    ru4real // January 7, 2009 at 9:14 am

    SS Hopi’s posts are so offensive as well as untrue I would have thought that even the BU might balk at printing them

    Why not prove that they are untrue then and let us all see…..until you prove him / her wrong, just saying so makes no sense…..refute it !!

  18. Green Monkey Avatar
    Green Monkey

    @ROK banned BFP

    You said after that after a return to international borders we could then
    “put massive international pressure on Hamas to fully recognise Israel.”

    Hamas already offered to take some significant steps towards that position, but Israel wanted nothing to do with it.

    Johann Hari: The true story behind this war is not the one Israel is telling

    “The Israeli government did indeed withdraw from the Gaza Strip in 2005 – in order to be able to intensify control of the West Bank. Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser, Dov Weisglass, was unequivocal about this, explaining: “The disengagement [from Gaza] is actually formaldehyde. It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so that there will not be a political process with the Palestinians… this whole package that is called the Palestinian state has been removed from our agenda indefinitely.”

    Ordinary Palestinians were horrified by this, and by the fetid corruption of their own Fatah leaders, so they voted for Hamas. It certainly wouldn’t have been my choice – an Islamist party is antithetical to all my convictions – but we have to be honest. It was a free and democratic election, and it was not a rejection of a two-state solution. The most detailed polling of Palestinians, by the University of Maryland, found that 72 per cent want a two-state solution on the 1967 borders, while fewer than 20 per cent want to reclaim the whole of historic Palestine. So, partly in response to this pressure, Hamas offered Israel a long, long ceasefire and a de facto acceptance of two states, if only Israel would return to its legal borders.

    Rather than seize this opportunity and test Hamas’s sincerity, the Israeli government reacted by punishing the entire civilian population. It announced that it was blockading the Gaza Strip in order to “pressure” its people to reverse the democratic process. The Israelis surrounded the Strip and refused to let anyone or anything out. They let in a small trickle of food, fuel and medicine – but not enough for survival. Weisglass quipped that the Gazans were being “put on a diet”. According to Oxfam, only 137 trucks of food were allowed into Gaza last month to feed 1.5 million people. The United Nations says poverty has reached an “unprecedented level.” When I was last in besieged Gaza, I saw hospitals turning away the sick because their machinery and medicine was running out. I met hungry children stumbling around the streets, scavenging for food.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-true-story-behind-this-war-is-not-the-one-israel-is-telling-1214981.html

    I think it is becoming more apparent that the hardcore Zionist never had any intention of limiting the State of Israel to what they would have considered artificially confining borders imposed by a UN mandate. They intended from the beginning to lay claim to “Eretz Israel”, i.e. all the land they believed God had promised to them as descendants of Abraham. To do this they have to either exterminate or drive away the existing Palestinian population. As history has shown time and again, when a people believe God is on their side and God wants what they want, and that they are only carrying out the “will of God”, atrocities become acceptable and almost inevitable.

    The History and “Morals” of Ethnic Cleansing

    By VICTORIA BUCH

    SNIP

    This long-standing outlook of the Israeli governing classes was summarized succinctly in a recent book `Palestine Inside Out` by Saree Makdisi, an American academic. His book “suggests that occupation is merely a feature of an ongoing Israeli policy of slow transfer of the native Palestinian population from their lands. This policy predates the founding of the state, and all of the various practices of the occupier: illegal settlement, land confiscation, home demolition and so on, serve this ultimate purpose.”[2]

    If you do not believe the above assessment, consider several statements by David Ben Gurion himself, from the time before the establishment of the State of Israel (Ben Gurion was the leader of the Zionist movement before 1948 and the first Israeli Prime Minister after 1948):

    “The compulsory transfer of the [Palestinian] Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own during the days of the first and second Temples…We are given an opportunity which we never dared to dream of in our wildest imaginings. This is more than a state, government and sovereignty, this is national consolidation in a free homeland.” [3]

    “With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement]…I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it.”[3]

    During the 1948 war, about two-thirds of the Palestinians who would become refugees were in fact expelled from their homes by the nascent Israeli army, and one-third became refugees while escaping the dangers of war. All these people, 0.75-1 million of them, were prevented from returning to Israel after the armistice agreement, while their homes and property were demolished or appropriated by the State of Israel.

    http://counterpunch.org/buch01062009.html

    3. ” [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs.” Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

    4. “The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

    11. “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

    13. “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

    21. “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

    22. “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

    23. “Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

    24. “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

    “We’ll make a pastrami sandwich of them, … we’ll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years’ time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart.”
    (Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 1973)

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.html?q=palestinians.html

    I posted a link earlier in this thread to a Youtube video of an Israeli settler threatening to kill the Palestinians because they were on “his land”; i.e. land that “God had promised to him”. If someone has an attitude like that, how do you negotiate with him?

  19. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Hopi
    What Isreal and the international media is doing to Gaza is the extreme version of what the West is doing to Zimbabwe. Agree?

  20. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Green Monkey……..

    It is so mind boggling that people like you, myself and others can see this plain as day but yet still, those in authority or who are in a position to act just dont seem ready to.

    Not even our regional leaders ( with the exception of Hugo Chavez ) have even voiced any sort of concern, however muted, on this isue.

  21. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Techy.
    President Bush, February 29, 2004: “President Aristide has resigned. He has left his country. The Constitution of Haiti is working. This Government believes it essential that Haiti have a hopeful future. This is the beginning of a new chapter in the country’s history.”

    When France and the US were targeting Jean Bertrand Aristide, the Caribbean leaders and the Caribbean media including Ricky Singh-along found it convenient to be silent. Two years ago after the elected president was relocated Owen Arthur’s administration declared that “We can engage Haiti AT THIS TIME”

    Déjà vu all over again…!

  22. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    True …..also sad.

  23. Knight of the Long Knives Avatar
    Knight of the Long Knives

    Technician first repudiation of Hopi who once again spends too much time reading conspiracy theories on the internet:
    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible’s God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery’s coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler’s most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler’s stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one’s own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican’s Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    Hitler was not a Jew!

  24. Knight of the Long Knives Avatar
    Knight of the Long Knives

    Regarding Alois Hitler:
    Alois ran in turn a small restaurant in Dale Street, a boarding house
    on Parliament Street and a hotel on Mount Pleasant, which went bust.
    Bankrupt, Alois left his wife and young child to fend for themselves
    and returned to Germany.

    He decided, therefore, to travel to Germany and make full use of the
    Hitler family connections. His father and uncle helped him find work
    but the young William Patrick thought that he deserved something
    better than the book-keeping jobs he was given. He eventually fell
    foul of his uncle when he suggested that if he wasn’t found something
    more befitting a member of the Fuhrer’s family, he would go public
    with rumours that the Nazi leader’s grandfather was an Austrian Jew.

    This prompted an ultimatum by Hitler: William Patrick was ordered to
    renounce his British citizenship and take a senior position in the
    Third Reich. The young man instead chose to flee from Germany. It was
    now 1939 and he received a cold welcome in London, so he left England
    with his mother for a lecture tour of America on the subject of “My
    Uncle Adolf”.

  25. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @ru4real? The truth is stranger than fiction and it baffles your mind. Maybe u should start your own blog and where you surely wouldn’t find me.

    @BAFBFP…..You can’t say that too loudly you might be firewalled. No way in hell should a Black man stand up to the White corrupt sewer. These jokers have to take their marching orders from others, not those who ‘elected’ them hence the deafening ‘SILENCE.’

    @KKK…..Hogwash.You just got converted? You are all over the place. You just made a link between christianity and insanity.Who is Alois? Look how you started out ‘Alois in turn ran……’ Aren’t leaving out something? Who was Alois’ mother?What was Alois’ surname before Hitler. Didn’t you just admit thru some rumor that his father was a JEW?

  26. Avatar
    Anonymous

    ha ha ha hopi I personally think that Hitler knew something that the world is now finding out!

    Tell them whatgoing on Hopi bunchj of asses! You believe that GOD gave them a brain and these jokers refuse to use it! Ha ha ha ha ha It is nice to see that my black people are waking up ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  27. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    @ Chris, since my last comments posted Jan 5, 11:44 pm, I’ve only just returned to this blog, and having just read your opinion, which says, in part:

    “Unquestioning faith. The true sign of the weak.”

    “God gave all humans a brain, capable of CRITICAL thought. Critical thought invloves always questioning if what you believe/have been taught/are been told is true is always true.”

    Yes, Chris, I could not agree with you more, especially regarding ‘critical’ thinking, therefore, I submit to you the following basis upon which my historic, Christian ‘World View’ is based.

    First, I believe that ‘Truth’ by definition is absolute, regardless of who denies it. No man creates ‘truth’ we all discover truth, which does NOT require any ones approval in order to remain valid.

    Secondly, a claim is made true or false in some way or other by ‘reality’ itself, totally independent of whether the truth claim is accepted by anyone.

    Moreover, an absolute truth conforms to three fundamental laws of logic, which are themselves ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

    We are now geting to the point at which different beliefs about the universe lead to different behaviour. Religion involves a series of statements about facts, which must either be TRUE or FALSE. If they are true, one set of conclusions will follow about the right sailing of the human fleet; if they are false, quite a different set. The Christian faith, as well as its rivals, essentially contain claims about reality, which are either TRUE or FALSE.

    This notion of truth was employed by C.S. Lewis, and is called the correspondence theory of truth, roughly, the idea that truth is a matter of a proposition (belief, thought, statement, representation) corresponding to reality; truth, therefore, obtains when reality is the way a proposition represents it to be.

    Now, the three fundamental principles in the laws of logic, are themselves ABSOLUTE truths, and are universally applicable to ALL men, every where, all of the time, regardless of culture, race, creed, or ethnicity.

    1) The Law of Identity
    2) The Law of Non-Contradiction
    3) The Law of Excluded Middle.

    Asessing ‘World Views’ bears out the utterly fundamental grounding of logic for thinking ‘critically’ about truth and world views. These logical laws point us toward truth.

    Therefore, Chris, ‘Reason is necessary for Revelation to be Coherent.’

    With out the ‘laws of logic’ no rational thought would be possible. To reject these basic laws of logic, one would have to utilize these very maws to reject them.

    As G.K. Chesterton said:

    “The man who begins to think without proper first principles goes mad; he begins to think at the wrong end.”

    Or, as Gordon Clark says: “Anyone who disparages or belittles logic must use logic in his attack, thus undercutting his own argument.”

    The Historic Judeo/Christian Worldview.

    This world view essentially contains truth claims about reality, which are either TRUE or FALSE.

    The ‘Law of Non-Contradiction’ in logic, states emphatically, that A cannot be -A in the same respect or same time, In other words, two competing ‘Truth Claims’ CANNOT be both right, in the same respect or the same time. They can be both wrong, BUT, they cannot both be right. Competing religious ‘World Views’ are all making truth claims, and the only sound, critical method of evaluting their respective ‘Truth Claims’ is by utilizing these unalterable, unchanging, laws of logic.

    Therefore, any world view, must be subjected to, and must sustain (3) test in order to be considered valid.

    1) Logical Consistency
    2) Empirical Adequacy
    3) Experiential Relevancy.

    The only Religious World View, that meet and sustain all three of these test, is Historic, Orthodox Christianity.

    Secondly, and intricately connected to the above criteria for validity, every system must also demonstrate and deal with the following questions:

    1) Origin
    2)Meaning
    3)Morality
    4) Destiny

    Again, the theistic Christian World view, is the ONLY one that convincingly demonstrate and sustain the above questions, unparalleled with any other religious world view.

    Chris, the above is just scratching the ‘critical’thinking aspect of approaching the only ‘logical’ objective, reasonable, method of why I ‘critically’ and logically, like multitudes of others, over the last two thousand years, ‘BELIEVE’ the Bible, to be God’s Word to mankind, which has passed the test, unlike any other document of antiquity, that its contents are entirely ‘TRUE’ confirmed by the utter reality, of the testimony of transformed lives, from every nation, culture, and ethnicity.

  28. Saved Avatar
    Saved

    Another relevant song

    Give light, O Lord, that we may learn
    The way that leads to Thee,
    That where our hearts true joy discern,
    Our life may be.

    Give light, O Lord, that we may know
    Thy one unchanging truth,
    And follow, all our days below,
    Our Guide in youth.

    Give light, O Lord, that we may see
    Where wisdom bids beware,
    And turn our doubting minds to Thee,
    In faithful prayer.

    Give light, O Lord, that we may look
    Beneath, around, above,
    And learn from nature’s living book
    Thy power and love.

    Give light, O Lord, that we may read
    All signs that Thou art near,
    And, while we live, in word and deed
    Thy Name revere.

    Give light, O Lord, that we may trace
    In trial, pain, and loss
    In poorest lot, and lowest place,
    A Savior’s cross.

    Give light, O Lord, that we may see
    A home beyond the sky,
    Where all who live in Christ with Thee
    Shall never die.

  29. Saved Avatar
    Saved

    @ Juris
    Some steps in interpreting the Bible

    The Bible must first be read and studied as a whole. This is generally achieved by having some sort of annual program which permits the serious student to read it though completely annually. Such a panoramic view is a must if one is to The Bible as a cohesive whole, instead of as a series of unrelated stories as most folk view this wonderful book.

    The Bible is the story of what God is doing in history. Like every good it has a beginning and an ending. It starts with the CREATION . Then conflict is introduced with the workings of Satan and the fall of man introducing the dilemma.

    The rest of the story is the solving of that grand dilemma by God and the final triumph of his purpose at the
    second coming of Christ. All the events in between fit into that story and contribute to the unfolding of the”plot”.

    The Bible has one main theme – REDEMPTION – and many sub-themes which run through the entire book. Redemption is hinted at in the beginning — Gen-3:15 and developed as the main subject, coming to a climax with the second advent of Christ.

    The sub themes , interwoven into the narrative and all dependent upon the main theme, redemption, are defined and illustrated in the events of the Bible.

    The Bible may be read right through using the following rules.

    1.Begin where God began with the book of Genesis.

    2.Read the Book (do not study it in the usual sense).

    3.Read it continuously in large portions at a time , without noticing, chapter or verse.

    4.Read it repeatedly, prayerfully and independently without commentaries, until you can sit down and in your own words tell someone the Bible story from Creation to Consummation.

    These suggestions are an overview of but one systematic method of Bible Study. What is important is that some systematic method be used . Whereas the haphazard reading of a few verses of Scripture is better than nothing , it is not really real Bible Study. It is simply nibbling at the truth and does not tend to build up strong Christians.

    Let us initially study the Bible as a scout on surveillance who seeks to obtain a thorough and experimental knowledge of a new country. Let us go over its vast fields of truth; descend into its valleys, climb its mountains of vision ; follow its streams of inspiration enter its halls of instructions and visit its wondrous portrait galleries. Then we can dwell and dig up nuggets from these same valleys, mountains, and streams.

    The Bible should then be studied book by book, then chapter by chapter, then verse by verse , and then special attention is made to words and topics, or types, or biographies etc..

    Book studies are effected to appreciate how the book fits into the general scheme of things. Chapter studies contribute an appreciation of the chapter’s contribution to the book’s contribution to the general plot of the Bible.

    Some individual chapters, however, are very outstanding for their individual appeal and are often called the great chapters of the Bible. Examples of such chapters are Psalm 23, Isaiah 53, John 3, Romans 8 and 12,1 Corinthians 13 and 15 to name a few.

    The Bible is then analyzed verse by verse and then studied by words. Word studies are of immense value especially when the etymology of the words are dug into properly. Jesus once said that every jot and tittle were important. This is seen most importantly in Galatians3:16 where one letter S makes the whole of difference to the teaching of the passage. In this verse Paul stresses that “ Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not , And to seedS , as many; but as of one, And to thy SEED, which is Christ. ”

    Similarly 1 Corinthians 1:26 teaches that not Many wise or noble are saved …he does not say not ANY![ Praise GOD!!] That gives many of the wise guy bible illiterates who come in this blog a chance!

  30. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Saved wrote

    This is seen most importantly in Galatians3:16 where one letter S makes the whole of difference to the teaching of the passage. In this verse Paul stresses that “ Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not , And to seedS , as many; but as of one, And to thy SEED,
    ———————————————-
    That is the most relevant Scripture verse to this whole dabate. That single solitary S is what people dont understand.

    The promises were made to Abraham’s “only” or “unique” son, Isaac who was a type of Christ the SEED, the Antitype. A type of the promised son, the offered son, the obedient son etc. The promises were not made to Abraham’s seedS such as Ishmael and/or the sons of Keturah.

    If the Arabs and the UN would accept this fact, there would be no war in Gaza today.

  31. Juris Avatar
    Juris

    I fail to see why “seed” must be restricted to one person. “Seed” is normally a collective noun, as in the seed of my loins, meaning ALL my children. The use of seeeds would change the meaning of the text entirely.

  32. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Saved, which version should I study?

  33. Rev Dr. Dick Hertz Avatar
    Rev Dr. Dick Hertz

    Juris

    since most (i.e nearly everyone) is too busy to follow “saved”‘s approach to bible study, it is advised to just simply accept the instructions of a friendly pastor or priest of your choice (Jim Jones anyone?). God in his infinite wisdom did not want his wishes to be easily understood (where is the fun in that?) so he had them written out in books over 1000 pages long, in a language that is not easily translated into currently popular languages and with even a few chapters left out (or fraudently put in) just to make it even more interesting. Not to take up any more time just take it from me that the slaughter and mistreatment of the Palestinians is justified according to the bible.

  34. Green Monkey Avatar
    Green Monkey

    Despite The Massacre,
    Israel Is Failing

    By Saree Makdisi

    SNIP

    All this to make Israelis feel secure? What security is this kind of barbarism ever likely to gain them?

    These are the scenes that every Palestinian and every Arab around the world sees every single day on the uncensored, unedited, unfiltered and relentlessly, brutally honest coverage broadcast on the Arabic Al-Jazeera channel. Unlike the US and UK networks, Al-Jazeera has correspondents and camera crews all over Gaza; they are Arabs, some of them are Palestinians, and they all live among the people whose suffering they record for the whole world to see; they can communicate with them in their own language and in the language of the audience as well. The coverage continues continuously 24 hours a day.

    Ordinary people around the rest of the world are seeing the version of events that gets filtered through the editing suites, the cutting rooms, the editorializing of foreign media, and that, in the case of the US, finally makes it to their living room largely (if not entirely) sanitized, and packaged to them in two-minute sound bites by correspondents posted safely outside of Gaza and inside Israel. The coverage broadcast from Israel is heavily monitored, controlled and censored. The Israeli army found in 2006 that its panicked soldiers in Lebanon were using cell phones to call home for help; this time it made sure to inspect all of its soldiers to make sure that none takes a phone with him into Gaza. The army imposes a smothering control over the flow of information; nothing that is reported from or datelined Israel can be read at face value or taken for granted.

    If you get your news from an American television network, no matter how horrible you think what’s happening in Gaza is, the reality that you are not seeing is much, much, much worse. (Perhaps that’s why the English-language Al-Jazeera channel, widely followed in the rest of the world, is unofficially banned here-not a single cable or satellite provider carries it).

    And yet even with this imperfect coverage it must be said that people all over the world, including in the US, are protesting what they are seeing. Huge, million-person demonstrations have been held, from Melbourne to Jakarta, from Calcutta to Istanbul, and from Vienna to London, not to mention the huge popular protests in Beirut, Cairo, Damascus, Amman, across the length and breadth of the West Bank, and in some of the largest protests ever held in Palestinian communities inside Israel. Across the US, too, people have been protesting, holding vigils, writing letters to the editors of the newspapers demanding more balance to the warped coverage of the events that we see here, especially in papers like the New York Times. And the internet has been a major source of information for all those millions who have figured out that they will never learn what they need to learn from the New York Times or the Washington Post or ABC or CNN. Sites like Counterpunch, Electronic Intifada, Alternet, Truthdig, Huffington Post, Salon and many others besides have carried extraordinarily intelligent and detailed pieces by a range of commentators whose sense of what is happening far exceeds what is made available by professional journalists in the mainstream press-including many superb pieces by Jewish Americans who give the lie, once and for all, to the absurd notion that their community is solidly behind Israel’s violence.

    http://www.rense.com/general84/despite.htm

  35. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    I wonder why all these people arent concerned about the genocide in Dardur where Islamist Sudanese arabs are systmatically wiping out the people?

    Or Sri Lanka where the authorities are bombing the shite out of the Tamil Tigers – who only want to live in their own state?

    Or in Pakistan where people are being murdered by Islamic fanatics everyday?

    The Isrealis wish to live in Peace but how can you live in peace with a neighbor whose very charter included the destruction of your land and people.

    Ask yourself why if all the Arab nations are protesting why they do not go t help their Arab brothers?

    They have the means and the Petro dollars?

    Ask yourself as they do would you like to live next door to people who are being used as pawns by the Iranian regime and have no problem sacrificing the lives of their peoples – their very children to succeed to this agenda.

    If Israel goes down the area will be taken over by Iran ( a regime that kills underaged children) girls for being raped and boys for bin gays.

    The Palestinians may well be victims but not of Israel aggression- Israel wants peace but of wicked men who will stop at nothing in their efforts to sow hatred of the West and its values.

  36. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    @ David

    It would not be a fair fight. Israel has nuclear weapons and all the support armoury.
    —————————-

    Isreal has never used its nuclear capabilities.
    If someone continually fired rockets at your civilian people how fair do you need to be.
    Israel is the only country in the world that treats free of charge in its hospitals the very people who seek its destruction.

    Hamas have provoked Isreal at the expense of their own people whom they use as human shields.
    How fair is that?

  37. David Avatar
    David

    Let us all pray that the rocket strikes fired from Lebanon in the last 24 hours does not push this conflict to the next level, if there is a next level.

  38. Saved Avatar
    Saved

    Juris

    If you look up the word seed in Strong’s concordance you will see that the word “seed” first occurs at Genesis 3:15 in the prote evangelium. Bible scholars will tell you that according to the law of first mention, that the context in which a word is used informs concerning its use elsewhere. If you follow the use of the word throughout the Word until the last time it is used in Galatians you will find that the woman’s seed mentioned in Gen 3:15 is indeed Christ as stated in Galatians.

    The fact that you fail to see why “seed” must be restricted to one person is irrelevant “Seed” is a technical term. “Seed” may normally be a collective noun, as you say, but in the context, and if you follow the argument in the chapter (and if you understood the story from the Genesis record) you will find that the use of seed instead of seedS is absolutely correct. The fact is that Abraham is considered to have had 7 or 8 sons, or 7-8 seeds or roots but Isaac was the seed or root to whom the promises were given, and through whom Christ would come, as shown in the genealogy in Matthew. If you read the Genesis record you see that the other seedS are not discussed after their generations are recounted, and only the record of the seed is carried on.

    All renowned theologians and Bible scholars interpret the word and the passage in this way. GP is correct and obviously well taught. Juris you are not a Bible scholar or a theologian. Stop , listen and learn!

  39. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @Saved… With (truly) the deepest of respect…

    What do the Islamic schollers have to say to this?

    The Buddhists? The Hindu?

    The Scientists? The Athiests? The Agnostics? (Et al…)

    As C. L. Beadon has said, we all find ourselves desperately searching for the Truth. A Truth which we are fundamentally not empowered to know.

    I would like to suggest that perhaps we all are actually on the same page. We simply haven’t realized it yet.

    But, then, that is our nature, isn’t it?

  40. Juris Avatar
    Juris

    @ Saved, don’t you understand anything except what you want to believe? I am saying that the word SEEDS means something completely different. In any case, English is only a translation of the original scriptures; what did the Hebrew say?

  41. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @ ru4real? What is going on in Sudan is called The Perpetual Scramble for Africa. In the Sudan like the whole of Africa our brothers and sisters are suffering and dying from ignorance because these western religions which they are practising have conquered their minds and divided them to their detriment. Unknowing to them they have one common ENEMY. ‘FOR A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE MY PEOPLE PERISH.’ These same zionists blood-letters acting thru their proxy the US desperately wants to control the OIL FIELDS in the Sudan which has one of Africa’s most unexploited oil resources. The same zionists are using their media in the west to exploits this conflict and call it genocide for military intervention BUT the hell that they are reigning down on the Palestinians day in and day out since 1948 can never be called genocide because the zionists are ‘god’s’ seed his untouchables.’ May the Almighty help us.

    Do you honestly care about the Tamil Tigers?

    Where in Pakistan are people being murdered by islamic fanatics daily? As far as I know the daily murder that’s going on in Pakistan is at the hands of the ‘big bad’ US military who’s bombing the lights out of these people.

    ‘israel wants to live in peace’ such poppycock drivel. The israeli zealots don’t even believe this. Why don’t you go and ask the Palestinians what kinds of weapons are impacting them before you puke your hogwash here.

    @David…..’By means of deception thou shalt do war.’ This is the MO of the zionist mossad. Who fired those 4 rockets? These beings are like the boy who cried wolf and one day a real WOLF is gonna fall on these LIARS.

  42. Saved Avatar
    Saved

    Rev Dr. Dick Hertz
    Why is every body too busy to follow a proper approach to Bible study?

    Many devoted Christians read through the Bible once a year. This is the basis for what is called the Survey Method of Bible study, and allows one to have a general idea of what is in the book. This can be done in less than half hour per day. After many years any idiot-even you- would have a good general knowledge of the book.

    Just like you studied Shakespeare or Animal Farm for O levels one next tries to study the individual books to ascertain what that book contributes to the story line. Book by book study is done in Barbados in many of the little Baptist churches and SDA churches in Sunday school and midweek meetings. Similarly many pastors and preachers will preach on what are called the great chapters of the Bible or other chapters that they found meaningful to them. Many busy lay persons in Barbados participate in such studies on a weekly basis.

    More serious Bible students buy study Bibles like the Schofield Reference Bible or Thompson’s Chain Reference Bible, and commentaries like Matthew Henry of Jamieson, Fawcett & Brown ( both of which can now be read free of cost online) and books like Strong’s Concordance, Vines Expository Word studies etc.

    Clearly the friendly advice of pastors or priest will not cut it. One must study the Bible for themselves also..
    God in his infinite wisdom wanted believers to diligently seek him and exhorted them to STUDY the word, to hide the Word in their hearts etc. We are taught in Joshua 1:8 that “This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

    In Deuteronomy 6:5-9 Isreal were commanded thus : And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

    God always intended folk to expend effort in reading the Bible. Don’t you have literature teachers to decipher what the poets mean? Why should Bible study not be a challenge. To those who actually study the Word seriously, it is actually great fun. We love to talk about it and do so for hours non stop. Just as you do with your interests and the things that you are so busy doing.

    With respect to translatians of the Bible, be it known to you that the Bible has been translated into more languages and dialects than any book, and workers continue to make such translations all over the world daily! The German Bible was translated by Martin Luther, and remains unchanged today. There are a number of English translations today- even though I still prefer the KJV.

  43. Saved Avatar
    Saved

    Juris

    I do understand what you are trying to say. But like all proper Bible expositors I have indeed checked the Hebrew, and the Greek for the NY passages, and I understand what the word means. I am not a novice at this Sir!

    Do you understand anything except what you want to believe? You may disagree with my opinion, but I have rightly divided the Word of truth and my conclusions are hermeneutically sound. Go check the Strong’s numbers for the word “seed” and look up the meanings of the word translated “seed” and its usages in something like Wuest, Hort, Vine or a good lexicon, and you will see that I am correct. I have followed all the accepted rules for Bible study.

    My interest here is in Bible exposition (and demonstrating the importance of Word studies) not on the conflict in Gaza. I already know how that will escalate and the final end of the saga, as declared in the prophetic scriptures.

    I repeat Abraham had only one son or one seed by his wife. This is the argument in Paul’s allegory in Galatians. The son of the bondwoman Hagar was cast out, and therefore could not inherit. Nor could the sons of Keturah. That is why they were given gifts and sent away. That is not hard to understand. In many countries still illegitimate children still cant inherit.

    Although Abraham had other seedS the promises of the unconditional Abrahamic covenant was to Isaac the SEED. You can follow the concept of the seed from Genesis 3 to Galatians 3 throughout the Bible.

  44. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    There is so much emotion being exhibited about the fact that the hated Jews are pummeling the hapless “Palestinians” who are yet firing rockets into Israel.

    One wonders what will happen when the tables are eventually turned mid way through the Tribulation period as prophesied.

    As a serious Bible student for over 40 years, it is expected that Israel will be hated by the other nations as the eschaton approaches. It is also expected that Israel will be at war with its neighbours as the eschaton approaches, and will continue to be at war until Christ appears at the battle of Armageddon and delivers them. So far everything is going as predicted. I therefore am not emotional about it, because I see things happening as they are expected to happen.

    For those who favor Israel now, don’t be surprised when you see them as the underdog after the middle of the Tribulation when the Antichrist commits the abomination of desolation, and all hell breaks out on the Jews.

    For those who hate to see the Arabs get pummeled now, note that they will get their turn at that time.

    For those who want peace, you will have to wait till the rise of the Antichrist- the superman who will broker a false peace in the middle East temporarily.

    For those who want lasting peace, you will have to wait till the Prince of Peace appears and wins the Battle of Armageddon personally. The Bible says that at this time “every eye shall see him.”

    Now you can disagree with me if you like, but that’s how the true Bible scholars and honest theologians interpret the scriptures about the eshaton.

  45. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    — the Sudan like the whole of Africa our brothers and sisters are suffering and dying from ignorance because these western religions which they are practising have conquered their minds and divided them to their detriment.
    ————————————–

    So its Ok for the Islamic regime to kill them is that what you are saying.
    Its ok for the citizens of Dardur to be murdered and raped by Islamist because they are practicing western religions?

    Which ones might they be?

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Juris

    Seed = sperma in the Greek. The word from which we get the word sperm.

    Isnt it one sperm to one seed usually, or one’s sperm is a collective thing only.

  47. Knight of the Long Knives Avatar
    Knight of the Long Knives

    @Hopi I showed you both the Hitler was not a Jew and that he was Austrian. You did not respond. I am neither Christian nor Jew but Israel has given up land more than once in efforts to stop the fighting and yet it continues. I do agree that Hamas was democratically elected and should have been left alone. There are zealots on both sides of the conflict and most will agree far more on the Arab side. I dislike fundamentalists both Christian and Muslim for the same reason they believe if you are not with them you are heathen or (infidel) and do not deserve to exist.

  48. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    ru4real:

    I don’t know how much you have researched the Darfur situation, but your analysis belies every known fact.

    China is the instigator for the genocide, to remove the infidel Christians from the oil rich province.

    Hopi is dead wrong on this, as the CIA are financing the SLA, to counter the PRC’s incursion and control of African Oil.

    The mad scramble for cheap oil reserves will bring about WW3.

  49. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @KLK…….You showed me no such thing. However, if you are BLACK like me we have too much in common so I will not fight with you. I reside in the belly of the beast among these demons that I write against. I KNOW them. They have as much claim to PALESTINE as you have to the Falklands. Take your head out of the sand. These zionists are of the SINagogue of Satan. Don’t be fooled by their media. Their media make you hate muslims and arabs and make you love and sympathize with them. Can you tell me who funded Hitler?

    @ru4real? How can u spin what I’ve written in such a dastardly way. They are all Africans, black like me and what has divided them is RE-LIGION. Take re-ligion away and you have a more level playing field. The whole issue here is the natural resource in Darfur. The white man does not in any way care about BLACKS in Africa. But my energy is for all Africans to awaken and see the unseen hands behind their destruction.

  50. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Straight Talk……Not so fast man! How is Hopi dead wrong on this?

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