Bet the English newspapers would have been screaming it out loud if a West Indian was doing that job and telling Englishman they weren’t eligible to play. Englishmen who had just won a World Cup! We should be riding this high now that cricket has recaptured the public’s imagination. We should harness the energy and use this momentum to start rebuilding cricket in the region. It is the perfect time to wipe the slate clean and start over but instead we will be returning to empty stands and a humiliated West Indies team. These guys seem determined to snuff every flicker of life out of our cricket. And for this news to be delivered to us by an ENGLISHMAN makes my blood boil!
Georgie Porgie April 20, 2016 at 9:52 PM #
[You must not tell the truth. You are supposed to be politically correct
Tino is a disgrace and a jackass!]
Porgie you being sarcastic? Why is Tino a disgrace and a jackass? Darren Sammy in IPL with a baby’s pacifier in his mouth was disgraceful and looked like a jackass and buffoon! A Stepin Sambo Fetchit moment!
Who cares about Tino anyway?
Hants got it right, it is all about selling a book. A mediocre player trying to gather a payload.
Interesting.
Concern over banks not lending to cricketers
BGIS,
Added 20 April 2016
Minister of Sports Youth and Culture Stephen Lashley. (FP)
CONCERN HAS BEEN raised over challenges faced by Barbadian cricketers who have applied to financial institutions for loans.
In a recent meeting with Minister of Sports, Stephen Lashley, at his office in Sky Mall, the Barbadian members of the Under-19, Men’s and Women’s West Indies teams who recently won the International Cricket Council (ICC) World T20 Championship tournament, said they were told by some banks “that they do not consider a professional cricketer as someone who has a job”.
Lashley expressed concern over the matter, and stated that if we as a people are serious about cricket, then “now is the time to concretise that in a way that makes sense”, and we must use “all of the avenues available” to bring some tangible benefit to our cricketers.
He continued: “I really believe that if we are serious about cricket, and we have spent quite a bit of time over the last couple of weeks celebrating our cricketers,…then our banks need to relook that approach and not only in relation to cricketers but to our athletes who are earning and who go out there and represent their countries.”
Emphasising that he was not encouraging banks to enter into loan arrangements knowing that applicants were unable to pay, the Sports Minister however stated that some type of “dispensation” must be carved out for the cricketers.
He noted that our cricketers of international repute are earning, and should not be discriminated against in our financial system purely because they happened to be cricketers or athletes.
“I would hope that our banks are sufficiently sophisticated enough to be able to devise ways and means to finding a suitable solution to that particular challenge,” he underscored.
Lashley further stated that he would be making representation to Government, as well as eliciting the support of the private sector, in identifying “in a tangible way” how the country felt about the outstanding achievements of the ICC Champions.
Acknowledging that the teams had worked exceedingly hard, the Minister assured them that they had his support, and that he would advance some of their recommendations through the efforts of Government and the private sector. (BGIS)
– See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/80333/concern-banks-lending-cricketers#sthash.uHZH4iIV.dpuf
Blush?? Seems like Gayle could use the services of this Company
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-19/you-can-now-pay-someone-to-name-your-baby
@ Sargeant,
“Blush” is a “celebrity name. Sounds better than “blanket” or ‘north west” lol
For all of us who ever heard a grandmum/granddad or oler relative reluctantly or with gusto (the dads generally lol) tell a story of their awesome exploits at secondary school sports we should be more accepting. This video will forever confirm for this ‘bonnie lass’ all her tales to her relatives 50 years from now. It is absolutely thrilling.
Spare a thought for the girl who was given that incredible lead by her relay teammates… how do you give that all back!
Tops Rio Olympics indeed….after all nothing started there yet!
@David, Best might have been a ‘mediocre’ Test cricketer but he certainly seemed to worked diligently at his craft at some points. Looking on from the outside he seems to have maximized the talent he had and reached the top by dint of effort. During his various stints at the very top level he definitely plumbed the depths of infamy and stupidity (his beamer barrage infamous & Lords ‘broken window’ issue at Test level) but he also soared. Scoring 95 in a Test match from number 11 is the stuff of legend akin to any of the wonderful performance by others.
So of course he is a cad, opportunist and prostitute in his role as a book huckster but certainly no worst that several others who have done the very same over the years to sell book or otherwise. Surely no worst than the pro athletes (Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain et al) who also publicized their extensive sexual prowess and those ( Viv Richards, Ian Botham et al) who did their thing as ‘quietly’ as Indian starlets or crashing beds would allow.
@ de pedantic Dribbler,
Tino just did what others before him were doing. The difference may just be numbers.
Tino marketing strategy working.
FORMER BARBADOS AND West Indies cricketer Tino Best does not regret having gone to bed with as many as 650 women. – See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/80410/-tino#sthash.E30kYT3b.dpuf
IT WAS MIGHTY CLOSE, but in the end Tornadoes edged out Cyclones by three runs to win the final of the sixth annual Barbados Indian Premier League. – See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/80404/tornadoes-win-bipl#sthash.fvXOGQuS.dpuf
Do we also have a Black Premier league and A White Premier league ?
@ David,
There is a “Guyana league” in Toronto. The bowl underarm (using a soft rubber ball ) and use 4 stumps instead of 3.
I watch them sometimes on the weekends in summer. They are mostly Indians but a few blacks are in some of the teams.
More free marketing for Tino.
“Books “haffi” sell! ”
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/80430/toni-thorne-tino-confession-bigger-strategy
@Hants
Amazing the company coverage about trivia read an average player.
Checkout this Tony Beca article that features Dave Cameron.
Tino gets a contract …… and more books gine sell. lol
http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1003249.html
ICC vex no ass that both WI men and women teams won their respective T20 finals in dramatic and nail biting fashion and celebrated in fine style.It was more with gay abandon.
Now the ICC is hitting back.
Whenever black man beat white man,black man wrong and white man will find black man to back white man in down pressing black man.West Indies men and women rub salt in the white man wounds of England and Australia and white man can’t take it like a man.He will find black man to help him in his foolishness.Cameron must be replaced at WICB now.
Cameron operates house nigga style! We who have emancipated ourselves from mental slavery see through the ICC, WICB and all the rest. Unfortunately we are in the minority and so they can continue trying to make us ashamed of ourselves and all protests against the status quo designed to keep us in our place.
During the days of Lloyd and Richards one had to be impressed with the toned physique of many of the WI players. Just as any one who appreciates sports and physical achievement would be with the gym work of the current players.
Strangely enough I personally can’t recall any instance of the older team’s public display of their physiques in a victory salute. The pics may be out there but I can’t recall seeing any in the manner of our recent players.
I also don’t recall any crass, insipid, vacuous, disrespectfully, ungracious etc etc display from any player as Mr Samuels did with his feet on de people dem table.
I could be very wrong but the average WI would never do that at another person’s house and likely not even at their own house if they had guests over.
None of the above has anything to do with Blackness…it is over exuberance (shirts off) and absolute lack of maturity in Samuels case…a little boy’s behaviour after a manly performance!
Cameron is an autocrat and surely a megalomaniac. But he strives completely to do the best for WI cricket. What has been achieved under his tenure reflects that.
Yet, at one and the same time he has run rough-shed over everything and everyone causing some of the greatest fractures – $42 Mil lawsuit – imaginable. But he has cleaned up his mess on that suit and one expects he will at least wipe away some grime with others even if he can’t clean completely.
History will actually record his tenure as overall good and surely whatever his associations with the establishment of cricket he is not some white toady.
The man has been as steeped in cricket in Jam and then regionally as someone like Deighton Smith or Conde Riley has been for years locally. But unlike them he is quite ‘rude’ and ‘in your face’…standard Jamaican (like Samuels or Gayle) traits one can argue!
If Cameron wanted to do the best for West Indies cricket he would resign. What he has achieved counts for less than nothing if he decimates every relationship he NEEDS in order to take cricket forward. Our cricket has declined drastically in all areas but T 20 under Cameron’s watch. The stands are ALL empty for every match but a T 20 match. You can put all kinds of things in place but one needs PEOPLE to play cricket and PEOPLE to watch. You don’t live here and so you cannot feel how disinterested and fed up we are with what passes for cricket in the region except for T20. By the way, we won the T20 world cups because of the players honed their skills in the domestic tournaments of OTHER COUNTRIES. It had virtually NOTHING to do with Cameron. Pro establishment and conventional to the max some people are. The status quo will always remain intact with such people.
Dwyane Smith 53 (30b 5×4 3×6) SR: 176.66
Another IPL T20 fifty for Smith.
West Indies discards still making a living and entertaining in India.
Heard David Ellis on Brasstacks a few minutes ago pounding his chest that he was the first to criticize Sammy for speaking out to the world on his issues with the WICB.Further that since Stuart has expressed a similar opinion,that he Ellis want to make it known that he didn’t have to wait on Stuart to pontificate,that he Ellis was first.What a simplistic view.
I am all for what Sammy did.He was nor disrespectful,did not use foul language or unsavory gestures,was quite fluent and articulate,so if the first world press were waiting for a Chanderpaul or Sarwan stumble or a show of poor language skills,they were disappointed.
The three crowns by themselves are worth their weight in gold.The almost miraculous event of the four 6’s by Holder deserve a place in the annals of WI cricket.The moment must be immortalized in a catchy calypso.We need the Trinis to do that.A Sparrow like tune and words to compliment the earth shattering coming together of the women,men and boys teams to rule the world of cricket for the next couple of years.Only the West Indies could add the icing like they did; dancing,jumping,singing,talking…..this is fairy tale stuff y’all.
LOLLL re the rhetoric ” You don’t live here and so you cannot feel how disinterested…”. Does anyone have any idea how often a person travels to or from ‘Mecca’. The world is one big village these days. And as far as I know test cricket did NOT start to have small crowds in 2014 when Cameron become head at the WICB. (smile)
Oh lawd, I appreciate a good piece of blogging as much as the next fella but can’t we at least try to be reasonably factual when we do our thing!
I completely agree the man’s style is not the best. But it’s also true that he has actually been at the helm when better payment arrangements were made for regional cricketers and when the various leagues were started and our inter-territorial cricket modified and expanded. The latter a repeat of previous such actions!
Of course one can argue that most of those things would have been done regardless of who was at the helm of the WICB…true dat. But one can also argue that before Cameron the WI players were in continuous dispute with the WICB.
I do not like his style and I make no case for Cameron’s management acumen as clearly he is a vindictive personality who does not take kindly any dissent but he is also not some idiot who is out to wreck the sport.
And for the sake of clarity it could be stated that the English are due much credit for developing the Richards, Roberts, Lloyds, Daniels and others of our hey-day and dismiss what the Raes, Shorts, Walcotts et al did as Board chieftains to improve WI cricket…who could argue with that if the English said so.
Anyhow, I far away so what de hell I know…one gots to be on the rock to overstand these tings!
IPL T20…..Awesome innings by Pollard
K A Pollard 51 (17b 2×4 6×6)
Yes Hants, some clean hitting, and no swiping.
Dave Cameron was vice-president for a number of years and has long been apart of the toxicity. (Smile)
Dave Cameron may not be some idiot who is out to wreck the sport but that only makes him guilty of manslaughter rather than murder. The result is that cricket, T20 excepting is dead. And now he is going to kill that too. Instead of riding the high given to us by the World Cup wins they are going to follow some rigid rules and disqualify many of the men’s team from playing our next T20 games. The outcome will be losses and a return to disinterest and hopelessness. But of course a conventional pro establishment bore will probably say something lie “Well, rules are rules. The Board didn’t disqualify them. They disqualified them selves.”
And yes you do have to be grounded on the rock to fully understand how we feel. One must be totally connected and not intermittently plugged in to feel the full force of emotion. That is if you have any. You do seem somewhat lukewarm about most things.
Apparently it wasn’t clean hitting or batting rather than slogging. It was ‘brute force’ said the commentator. Never heard it described that way when AB does it. Never heard Ian Bishop describe it that way. Hmm….
Pollard did his “job”. He played a match winning innings.
Narine also bowled for the opposing team.
A lot of the commentators are “idiots”.
@Hants
If you rewind to the inder-19 game when a WI player ran out a batsman for backing up to far and the hits Bishop had to deflect from the other commentators, it provides a lot of insight how we are viewed by the rest of the world.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Barbados Underground wrote:
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I am just another commentator at this point no longer an active member…so if I am lukewarm by being practical about the facts and rationale needed to improve then so be it.
I recall a bit of vocal militancy at meetings when the WICB was being incorporated…way, way back. But I don’t recall 1) a real ground swell of folks attending those meetings and 2) strident action to set things along the right path. You seem to be in militant mode now so I wish you well. I don’t think that’s a beneficial path at this time…surely, purposeful and better governance.
This is really not a time for war – from either side.
So for example this nonsense by the Caricom heads to disband the WICB is absolutely beyond common sense. That is an abjectly unnecessary war. And it is illegal.
The current set-up of the WICB is in effect a Caricom Congress. Not unlike as it would be if elections from each island were held towards a regional body. It’s not the process. For Caricom heads to demand dissolution is a repudiation of their stated Caribbean community.
Anyhow, as far as I am aware many top T20 guys got dropped from the ODI (rightly or not) since last year. Success @T20 was never a path to be restored to the ODI team so Pybus’ comments were really not news in that sense.
Is the team selection process flawed? Of course. Is it going to be fixed by name calling and ridiculous remarks. Of course not.
All the islands send representatives to the WICB who have decided these actions. Become a member of the BCA and move change there. Telling me that I need to be home to be properly plugged in does not fix anything…it is getting Joel Garner, Deighton Smith and their fellow executives to move the change with and among their other territory colleagues at the WICB …otherwise all the talk is cold…not even luke-warm!
And please consider that exiles whether forced or voluntary often can stay plugged in as well as or better than locals. Not to mention they often are the ones to help initiate change. Just an incidentally fact of world history.
I suspect we wouldn’t consider our activist friend from Europe unplugged or ungrounded on political issues now would we…#Bajanswantchange
It’s the T20 team selection of which I speak.
Never knew a lukewarm person who cannot come down on any side EVER to be a change agent of anything. I prefer to make a million “ridiculous” remarks than to waffle about here and there without coming to any conclusion. Is Cameron a good president? Well he did do this but maybe it could be argued than anybody else would have accomplished that. I don’t like his manner but after all he is a Jamaican. Blah blah blah ….. nothing! A la Sir Humphrey, Yes, Minister style.
As for protest we cannot all handle the Old Boy’s Club known as the BCA. Heck, I cannot even handle the Old Boy’s Club here on BU. How often do people attempt to “put us in our place” with talk about “ranting and raving” and “illogical women” and all other manner of stereotypical terms that test my patience beyond limits. I’m not about to let the BCA burst my blood vessels. I protest by speaking out and signing petitions and finally by boycotting cricket organized by the offenders.
SSS is a special case. She has the empathy necessary to feel our pain. Let us not go there!
Now, I dun wid dat!
Another 50 for Dwayne Smith.
@Donna, surely you are better than that. You “cannot handle…How often do people attempt to ‘put [you] in our place’ “ but you have no problem doing the same thing and attempting to put others (me) in their place.
The purpose of debate (generally anyhow) is to explore other views with some vigour and effective challenge not be dismissive of a different view!
If by your own admission you chose to no longer manage your sensibilities enough to deflect and dismiss inane comments on a blog or at an ‘old boys’ meeting how are you capable of implementing and motivating others about effective and lasting change.
Incidentally, the next meaningful T20 series is likely the 2020 world cup. Prior to the 2016 world cup the majority of the WI T20 player were on the field together in the India ODI tournament before that aborted Test series in 2014. By the time 2020 rolls around its likely Cameron will be gone as President and as part of the regular change of selectors so too likely the Chief selector.
The T20 team should really not be a concern at this time. We need to groom a few new fellows anyhow in any one-off matches.
@Dee Word
The T20 team should really not be a concern at this time. We need to groom a few new fellows anyhow in any one-off matches.
What does the quote mean? How does the WICB groom players for T20? Do we have a strong domestic competition like England, Australia and S Africa to encourage quality players to remain/comeback to represent national teams?
@David the quote stands on its own. As far as I know we have a developing CPL tournament but the simple fact is that between now and 2020 if there are any WI games scheduled then its ideal to give an opportunity to any new ‘talent’. I am not trying to establish any new process here. It’s very simple.
This situation is almost ‘identical’ to the WI country cricket era. Our players hone their skills in the IPL et al and return to the WI team to dominate others as the finished product. They also earn excellent wages.
Compromise and common-sense can make this an absolute fantastic process to further develop the financial base for the regional players not enjoying the IPL riches.
But everyone is pissed off rather than focusing on the realities. Deja vu, all over again is how some wags would frame it.
This is a concise response. There is a lot more than can be said based on the abundant details available.
Do you recall that during our heyday no one could find the formula for our success in producing great players. There was none. We had great athletes who played cricket got snatched up by an English county and fine tuned their game to become great.
There never was any fantastic infrastructure in the region…how much could Shell Shield really do. Those guys made absolutely no money and played but a few matches a year If not for county and league cricket we would have been no where.
One example David or rather two. Malcolm Marshall played one regional match. Showed much promise. Was picked to WI on that promise. Performed so so on his first outings. Went to Hampshire and over the years we got the ‘ninja’: the greatest fast bowler ever, some say.
Take a Richard Austin. I thought the guy was brilliant. But his batting skills didn’t develop and he certainly never made in to the country circuit. An also ran who was destitute.
My point Mr Blogmaster is that we did NOT have a structure to sustain our cricketers and to this day we really still don’t.
But as I said with commonsense and compromise we must sensibly ride this opportunity and allow the top players to benefit from the outside wealth as we develop what we can generate in the region to improve the base.
Nothing new, Nothing radical. Some call it commonsense.
@ David,
Bad luck Lewis starting 10th or lower. Car problems again. Nico on pole.
@Hants
What s happening? Why the level of inconsistency with the equipment?
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Barbados Underground wrote:
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Let us hope it is just bad luck and not “sabotage”.
@ David,
Real bad luck ? The “team” tells Lewis to slow down when he is gaining on Rosberg.
Then the “problem” goes away.
Lewis must be really looking forward to Bushy Park were he will be shown much love. lol
@Hants
Strange for sure.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-had-no-doubt-he-could-win-before-problem-732604/
@ David,
This says a lot…and adds to the conspiracy theories.
“The majority were on Nico’s car last year and Nico’s guys were with me for the last three years since i joined. The team all of a sudden swapped for no apparent reason”
De Dribbler,
I do not attempt to put you in any assigned place but rather deal with you comment by comment. That is different from dismissing you on the basis of your gender. That gender bias dismisses one’s comments as worthless even before they are read. It is as offensive to me as a racial bias. So, as a black woman I have the white racist pigs to suffer AND the male chauvinist pigs. Whereas you only have one of these to endure. If I get tired of dealing with it don’t judge as you are not in my shoes. I sometimes have to retreat and rest to come back with greater force.
Incidentally, when T20 is all that you stand a chance of winning, ALL T20 matches within bilateral series become significant in maintaining the interest of the public in cricket. To dial forward to the next World Cup as the next significant event shows your disconnect.
@Donna, you are missing my point (and the point generally) re the entire T20 process. But rather than repeat myself in different words let’s see if Ian Chappell can clarify it:
“Instead of T20 tournaments expanding at the expense of first-class competitions, their popularity needs to finance improvements in the longer game. This way, T20 won’t suffer from OVERKILL and players will have the chance to develop their all-round skills so that artistry isn’t lost to the game with a surge in power cricketers.” (my emphasis)
We can all agree that Test cricket will not have the broad appeal of T20 cricket but frankly we don’t need to practice T20 to be ‘good’. The reality is that a good athletic long-form cricketer will be an excellent T20 player whereas the opposite will not always be as true.
Let me again use the former Aussie captain who said “If a player backs away in T20, it is classed as him being innovative in order to make room to hit over the off side, while a batsman retreating in a Test match would be labelled scared.”
So I am not worried about the one-off T20 games in the least. We have very talented cricketers and if they continue to get exposure in the long-form game to enhance their skills and athleticism I have every confidence that the most athletic and aggressive among them will hold their own in any T20 game….(Yes yes of course we do need to practice T20 too)
I expect that you follow your cricket closely and know it well so put all that into context. The money is in the many T20 tournaments. The WICB should not be fighting with our players but rather continuing to allow them to do their thing. Let those leagues be a boon for us in the poor islands as county cricket was years ago.
I have absolutely no ‘disconnect’ with the cricket issues…different views but not disconnected one iota.
I was speaking about getting the interests of the public back. Sportsmen feed of the energy of the fans. last year when we went to Kensington for a test match we had a stand for ourselves almost. There was no atmosphere and no energy.
I am well aware of Ian Chapell’s comments on most things and usually agree with him. I think that unless we can rekindle the interests of the fans in the longer versions of the game we will never rise from the bottom. I think we need to keep winning the T20 for the present to rekindle that interest in cricket which we may then transfer to first ODI’s and if we are very lucky and do well at ODIs eventually test cricket. I think we have to take it in stages.
That should be “sportsmen feed off”
T20 , Baseball, Soccer. 3 hours of exciting entertainment.
Test match….5 days.
Therein lies the “problem” for cricket fans who are gainfully employed. lol
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