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The Government, private sector and unions have signalled their intention to move from the optional injection phase to the mandatory. They seem convinced that the injections can only benefit Barbadians, and do not understand why many Barbadians are hesitant.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons deserve an honest evidence-based discussion of COVID-19. To facilitate that discussion, the facts that are publicly known to-date are outlined in this article.

SARS-CoV PANDEMIC

In 2002, there was a pandemic called Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in China. It was caused by the SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

In 2004, the US and Chinese Governments funded research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China, where they identified bats as the source of the SARS coronavirus [1].

CREATING VIRUSES

In 2005, US researchers developed a method of creating a new SARS coronavirus from parts of other viruses. Their method made it impossible to know whether the new virus was developed in a lab or naturally [2]. The method was called “no-see-um”.

In 2007, the Governments of China, Australia and Europe funded research at WIV where new viruses were assembled, by using parts of the SARS-CoV virus. Their new virus was able to infect human cells [3].

CREATING DANGEROUS VIRUSES

In 2015, the US and Chinese governments funded research, where US researchers (who developed the “no-see-um” method) genetically modified virus samples from China. These new viruses efficiently replicated in the human respiratory system, and were resistant to antibodies and vaccines [4].

In 2016, Chinese and US governments funded research at WIV. They developed a method of genetically modifying the virus created by US researchers in 2015. They developed multiple versions of this dangerous coronavirus [5].

CREATING DEADLY VIRUSES

In 2017, Chinese researchers at WIV were developing new coronaviruses using the “no-see-um” method [6]. They also developed different coronaviruses that could better infect, and efficiently replicate in humans [7].

In 2018, the Government of China funded research at the WIV that included replicating and modifying some of the most deadly viruses known to man, including Ebola, and Marburg [8]. This unpublished work was ongoing at the lab during the COVID-19 outbreak.

LAB SECURITY

The purpose of all of this research appears to have been well-intentioned. Researchers assumed that the next pandemic would come from a variant of the bat virus. Therefore, they were trying to develop a variant that could easily infect, and rapidly replicate in humans, so that a vaccine could be developed for it.

The problem is that genetically developing deadly viruses should be done at the highest security level, to prevent their escape. Level 4 provides the highest level of laboratory security. For comparison, the security level in a dentist’s office is Level 2.

The Chinese were developing dangerous viruses in Level 2 conditions [3]. Chernobyl should have taught the world that international level disasters can happen, when people deliberately do not adhere to safety standards specifically designed to prevent such disasters.

THE GAMES

On 12 September 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology removed its public database of over 22,000 entries from the Internet. Between 18 to 27 October 2019, China hosted the once-in-four-years Military World Games. It was attended by 9,308 military persons from 109 countries. Barbados sent two persons and won one bronze medal [9]. The host city was Wuhan.

Visiting athletes reported having their temperature checked at the airport [10]. Many visiting athletes became sick with COVID-19 like symptoms in Wuhan, and/or soon after they left [11]. Some countries have confirmed that COVID-19 was present in their countries in November 2019 [12].

THE DESTRUCTION

On 1 January 2020, Chinese labs were ordered to destroy their virus samples. Two days later, Chinese institutions were ordered not to publish any information on the virus, and to destroy all virus samples or give them to authorised Government agencies [13].

ANALYSING THE EVIDENCE

The evidence points to an accidental leak of different genetically modified viruses from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, before the military games. It was then spread throughout the world by the soldier athletes, when they completed their deployments. This may explain the relatively rapid global spread, and the diverse (now 15) variants.

The latest research suggests that a variant like MERS (with a one-in-three fatality rate) is a realistic possibility. The possibility that a new variant would evade current vaccines, and become difficult to revaccinate against, is almost certain [14].

WHY THE HESITANCY?

Why is there such hesitancy in discussing the possibility that COVID-19 was created in a lab?

The mountain of credible publicly available scientific evidence, suggests that COVID-19 was created in a lab. There is no similar evidence that it developed naturally. Why are those on the side of the overwhelming supporting evidence labelled conspiracy theorists?

VACCINE DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTION

The development of the COVID-19 vaccines is founded on the unverified, and likely false assumption that COVID-19 developed naturally. Why is there hesitancy in critically examining the vaccines, given that the foundation on which they were developed is questionable?

Barbadians are not anti-vax. Barbadians normally take vaccinations to protect themselves against natural diseases. If COVID-19 is not a naturally occurring virus, Barbadians are justified in being hesitant. That hesitancy can be addressed with an honest evidence-based discussion – or by force.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

REFERENCES


[1] Li, W et al. Bats are natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses. Science, 2005.

[2] Baric R, Sims C. Development of Mouse Hepatitis Virus and SARS-CoV Infectious cDNA Constructs. Current Topics in Microbiology and Immunology, 2005.

[3] Ren, W. Difference in receptor usage between severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus and SARS-like coronavirus of bat origin. Journal of Virology. 2008.

[4] Menachery, V et al. A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence. Nature Medicine, 2015.

[5] Zeng, L et al. Bat Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Like Coronavirus WIV1 Encodes an Extra Accessory Protein, ORFX, Involved in Modulation of the Host Immune Response. Journal of Virology, 2016.

[6] Leiping, Z. Reverse Genetic System of Bat SARS-like Coronaviruses and Function of ORFX. The University of Chinese Academy of Sciences, 2017.

[7] Hu, B et al. Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus. PLOS Pathogens, 2017.

[8] Pathogen Host Adaptation and Immune Intervention. The Chinese Academy of Science (Implementation 2018-2022).

[9] 2019 Yearbook. 7th CISM World Summer Games. International Military Sports Council, 2020.

[10] Houston, M. “More athletes claim they contracted COVID-19 at Military World Games in Wuhan.” Inside the Games, 17 May 2020.

[11] Francis, D. “Canadian Forces Have Right to Know If They Got COVID at the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan.” Financial Post, 25 June 2021.

[12] Fongaro, G et al. The presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in human sewage in Santa Catarina, Brazil, November 2019. The Science of the Total Environment, July 2021.

[13] Pingui, Z. China confirms unauthorised labs were told to destroy early coronavirus samples. South China Morning Post, 15 May 2020.

[14] Long term evolution of SARS-CoV-2. Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE). 26 July 2021.


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888 responses to “Difficult Conversations – Addressing Vaccine Hesitancy”

  1. GP BU RETIRED "RESIDENT" DR Avatar
    GP BU RETIRED “RESIDENT” DR

    DEAREST DARLING DONNA

    THIS IS SPECIALLY FOR YOU
    THE EFFICACY OF A PHARMACEUTICAL IS A VERY SPECIFIC TERM WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PREVALENCE OF ITS USE.

    THE EFFICCACY OF A PHARMACEUTICAL IS NOT ITS EFFECT EITHER, AS A DRUG MAY HAVE SEVERAL EFFECTS SOME OF WHICH MAY BE USEFUL AND SOME ADVERSE
    THE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF SOME DRUGS ARE ACTUALLY USED AS AN EFFECT IN SOME INDICATIONS

    MANY BASIC PHARMACOLOGY TERMS WERE EXPLAINED HERE ON BU IN DETAIL IN A POWER POINT THAT WAS CREATED YEARS BEFORE GOOGLE EVER APPEARED LOL
    EFFICACY IS NOT POTENCY EITHER


  2. August ,3, 2021

    WASHINGTON.

    With a new surge of coronavirus infections ripping through much of the United States, the Food and Drug Administration has accelerated its timetable to fully approve Pfizer-BioNTech’s coronavirus vaccine, aiming to complete the process by the start of next month, people familiar with the effort said.

    President Biden said last week that he expected a fully approved vaccine in early fall. But the F.D.A.’s unofficial deadline is Labor Day or sooner, according to multiple people familiar with the plan. The agency said in a statement that its leaders recognized that approval might inspire more public confidence and had “taken an all-hands-on-deck approach” to the work.

    Giving final approval to the Pfizer vaccine — rather than relying on the emergency authorization granted late last year by the F.D.A. — could help increase inoculation rates at a moment when the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus is sharply driving up the number of new cases.

    A number of universities and hospitals, the Defense Department and at least one major city, San Francisco, are expected to mandate inoculation once a vaccine is fully approved. Final approval could also help mute misinformation about the safety of vaccines and clarify legal issues about mandates.


  3. @GP August 10, 2021 11:28 AM “ME TOO I ENJOY THAT MEN’S HEARTS ARE FAILING THEM FOR FEAR.”

    Wicked as shite, as usual. Taking comfort in other people’s pain as usual.

    Not a Christian at all, at all.


  4. I was reviewing a protocol for iberomide this morning.
    Pregnant or lactating females were excluded from the study. There were rules for both makes and females on preventing pregnancy, the use of condoms and contraceptives ..

    https://www.myelomacrowd.org/iberdomide-a-potent-new-drug-to-treat-revlimid-pomalyst-resistant-myeloma/

  5. GP BU RETIRED "RESIDENT" DR Avatar
    GP BU RETIRED “RESIDENT” DR

    RE The development of the COVID-19 vaccines is founded on the unverified, and likely false assumption that COVID-19 developed naturally.
    THERE IS NO NEED FOR BOOK CHAPTER AND VERSE HERE
    THAT INFORMATION WILL NOT IN ANYWAY ENLIGHTEN THE ILLITERATE CHALLENGER.

    BUT THIS STATEMENT SEEMS TO BE BORNE OUT BY THE VARIED EFFECTS, ADVERSE EFFECTS AND EFFICCACY OF THE VACCINES. JOHN HAS MADE INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS ABOUT BOTH THE “VIRUS” AND THE VACCINE ALSO.
    MANY OF WUNNAH LIKE TO PLAY THE MAN AND NOT THE BALL

    RE Actually credible sources suggest the opposite. Very interested in Grenville citing his sources.

    HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF SOMETHING IS CREDIBLE OR NOT IN PHARMACOLOGY? HOW ? ON WHAT BASIS OPINETH THOU?. HOW WILL GRENVILLES SOURCES HELP YOU? DO YOU KNOW THEM? OR ABOUT THEM? LOL
    YOU HAVE MISSED YOUR CALLING AS A NUMBER 11 BATSMAN SWIPING WITH NO IDEA IF THE BALL IS SWINGING, OR HOW OR FROM WHENCE.


  6. “ME TOO I ENJOY THAT MEN’S HEARTS ARE FAILING THEM FOR FEAR.”
    Wicked as shite, as usual. Taking comfort in other people’s pain as usual. Not a Christian at all, at all.

    NO DUMMY I REJOICE THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS COMING TO PASS JUST AS WAS PREDICTED
    WHAT EVER YOU MAY SAY OR THING MENS HEARTS ARE FAILING THEM FOR FEAR JUST AS PREDICTED
    AND THAT CAN NOT BE REFUTED. LOL LOL LOL

    ALL BELIEVERS SHOULD REJOICE WHEN GOD’S WILL IS DONE ON EARTH JUST AS IT IS IN HEAVEN

    UN KNOWN TO YOU I AM CURRENTLY DOING LOTS TO ADDRESS SUFFERING DUE TO COVID AMONG SOME WIDOWS IN ANOTHER PART OF THE GLOBE.


  7. @Tony

    What is the new variable that will be considered by the FDC to give a full approval as hinted in the article posted?


  8. Last time I checked, the WHO said there are 4 major variants and 4 variants of interest.

    So, simple math says there are at least 8 variants in existence … that the WHO can identify.

    When did these variants first appear?

    Let’s start with the Delta variant.

    “The World Health Organization said the delta variant is the most transmissible variant of the coronavirus that first emerged in China in late 2019.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/06/covid-charts-show-how-far-delta-variant-has-spread-around-the-world.html

    What can we theorise about the Delta variant given its appearance way back when?

    How many other variants were around from the get go?


  9. DavidAugust 10, 2021 5:07 PM

    @Tony

    What is the new variable that will be considered by the FDC to give a full approval as hinted in the article posted?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What was the variable that prevented the FDA from giving its approval to Thalidomide 40 years after it was first introduced in 1957?

    “Thalidomide was approved by the FDA in 1997 under tight restrictions to treat inflammation in leprosy patients. It has since been approved for other uses although it is not approved for use by pregnant women. Later this month, the FDA will consider authorizing emergency use of two vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna.”


  10. I am going to side with GP, but not as most would expect.

    Many of us are pontificating on topics of which we have very limited knowledge.


  11. Grenville is willing to believe any Trump advanced theory. Trumpists need no evidence.

    I am not sure what happened one way or the other. The jury is still out on that one.


  12. Two good posts rabbit.
    I happened to work at Celgene which discovered the use of thalidomide for multiple-myeloma.

    Celgene was acquired by Bristol Myers Squibb (BMS)


  13. I am referring to your statements about breakthrough infections and mortality rates wrt the push for vaccination.


  14. JOHN
    RE One woman made the difference. INDEED

    THIS CASE REVOLUTIONIZED THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING DRUGS C’F KATZUNG CHAPTER 3

    THE FACTS ARE THAT NONE OF THE VACCINES FOR COVID HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS
    THE PROCESS TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME- THIS WAS NOT AFHERED TO
    AND MARKED ADVERSE EFFECTS HAVE NOT BEEN PUBLICALLY DISCLOSED

    WHEN TRUMP THOUGHT AND WANTED TO HAVE A VACCINE IN A CERTAIN SHORT TIME FRAME HE WAS CRITICIZED
    NOW THAT HE IS GONE FOLK –BECAUSE OF THEIR FEAR- ARE SHOUTING FOR GLEE AND SAYING TAKE THE DAMN VACCINE . NOTHING HAS CHANGED. YOU DONT BRING A PHARMACEUTICAL TO MARKET IN SO SHORT A TIME. AND SENSIBLE PHYSICIANS OPT ALWAYS FOR KNOWN DRUGS, WITH A HIGH THERAPEUTIC INDEX, USED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, WITH VERY FEW IF ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS.


  15. “The World Health Organization said the delta variant is the most transmissible variant of the coronavirus that first emerged in China in late 2019.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That sentence is ambiguous.

    Does it mean that COVID appeared in late 2019 or the delta variant?


  16. Lord help us.


  17. Cuhdear Bajan,

    If you believe the prophecy you would be eager to see it fulfilled.

    Unfortunately, I could never swallow it.

    Must be nice.


  18. There is an official explanation why COVID 19 vaccine took a year to be developed and to receive emergency use authorization. Mainly there was a worldwide collaboration supported by a parallel process of testing and approvals.

    COVID-19 vaccine: How was it developed so fast?

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly


  19. Tee White August 10, 2021 11:55 AM “The term ‘vaccine hesitancy’ is a loaded term and it would be useful to find out who created the concept and put it into circulation.”

    It is not a loaded term at all. It is in fact a descriptive term. It describes the behaviour of people who hesitate to take vaccines. For example referring to me as “she” is not a loaded term. It is in fact a descriptive term truthfully applied to me and to about half of the people in the world.

    Vaccine hesitancy has existed long before covid. There are some people living and dead who hesitated to take the polio vaccine in the 1960’s when it was first made available. I expect that vaccine hesitancy also existed long before that as well.

    You may be hearing the term for the first time but it is not new.


  20. “EFFICACY IS NOT POTENCY EITHER”

    You have a limp dick and a lame brain why don’t you fuck off and watch some online medical conferences instead of being a stupid cunt on BU. Doctors should be more professional and shut up from speaking crap even mediocre ones and less than mediocre.


  21. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4935124/this-formerly-vaccine-hesitant-mom-has-a-message-for-canadian-doctors-1.4935126
    Here is a story for you from 2018, that is before covid, about parents whose 7 children all got whooping cough because the parents were vaccine hesitant.


  22. Google puts the advent of the Delta Variant at December 2020 … if that is to be believed.

    “The first Delta case was identified in December 2020, and the variant soon became the predominant strain of the virus in both India and then Great Britain. By the end of July, Delta was the cause of more than 80% of new U.S. COVID-19 cases, according to CDC estimates.”


  23. Google also recommends the following for the whooping cough vaccine.

    “The whooping cough vaccine is usually given to pregnant women at 28 weeks (can be given anytime between 20-32 weeks) of each pregnancy and should be given as early as possible (from 20 weeks) to women who have been identified as being at high risk of early delivery.”


  24. And it is not just hesitancy about vaccines, it is hesitancy about medical treatments in generally. My beloved Aunt D was advised by her son, a taxi driver not to take all of those tablets prescribed for her by her doctor for her hypertension and diabetes. She very much loved and trusted her son, rather than her doctors/nurses and she obeyed him rather than them. Shortly afterwards she died.

    My own brother was hesitant to follow his doctor’s instructions when diagnosed with cancer. He was impotent by his early 60’s and dead by 65. Our father with the same cancer died at 94 and was up and about doing for himself until a few months before his passing.

    You would be amazed at the numbers of people who are hesitant to take well researched, well tolerated medicines for their diabetes, hypertension, heart disease,cancer etc.

    So it is a generalised medical hesitancy. Not just vaccine hesitancy.


  25. Cuhdear BajanAugust 10, 2021 5:52 PM

    You would be amazed at the numbers of people who are hesitant to take well researched, well tolerated medicines for their diabetes, hypertension, heart disease,cancer etc.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    COVID too!!!

    … just look at the resistance to hydroxychloroquine which has been around forever?

    Just to wait on a “vaccine” with no track record.


  26. RE If you believe the prophecy you would be eager to see it fulfilled.

    HOWEVER, IT IS WELL KNOWN WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THE PROPHECY OR NOT THAT MEN’S HEART CAN AND DO FAIL FOR FEAR. THE VAGI CAN STOP WORKING FOR EXAMPLE

    HAPPENS IN BACK STREET ABORTIONS OFTEN
    THERE WAS ONE IN BELLEVILLE IN 1997 FOR EXAMPLE AND ON A BOARD CERTIFIED GYNAECOLOGISTS TABLE

    Unfortunately, I could never swallow it. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SWALLOW ANYTHING BUT FOOD AND DRINK

    RE There is an official explanation why COVID 19 took a year to receive emergency use authorization. Mainly there was a worldwide collaboration supported by a parallel process of testing and approvals.
    BULLSHIT ACCEPTED ONLY BY THE ILLITERATI

    WHY HAS NOT SUCH emergency use authorization. worldwide collaboration supported by a parallel process of testing and approvals NOT DONE BEFORE?

    WHY IS IT NOT DONE FOR CANCER OR OTHER DISEASES WHICH ARE MORE DEFINITIVE IN THIER PROGNOSIS?

    WHAT MAKES AN “OFFICIAL” EXPLANATION VALUABLE?.

    BECAUSE IT FITS THE VIEWS OF THE GULLIBLE OR WHO IS MAKING IT? NO PUN INTENDED

    MOST POLITICIANS ARE MAKING VERY ERRANT “OFFICIAL” EXPLANATIONS ….. AND SO DO PHYSICIANS PAID TO DO SO.

    IS THE MULTITUDE OF ADVERSE EFFECT CASES DUE TO THIS EMERGENCY authorization. AS A RESULT OF worldwide collaboration supported by a parallel process of testing and approvals?
    WHEN WILL WE REALLY KNOW THE RESULT OF SUCH MALFEASANCE?
    WE WOULD HAVE HEARD OF IT IF ALL THESE ADVERSE EFFECTS WERE HAPPENING UNDER TRUMP AND THERE WOULD BE MORE DISCLOSURE OF THE ADVERSE EFFECTS


  27. @Tee White August 10, 2021 12:11 PM “How could this possibly be justified?”

    One of my children has been required to take Covid19 tests twice per week for almost a year now. Employees who do not take the test are told not to come to work. However the employer, a corporation with seriously deep pockets, deeper pockets that any company in Barbados, deeper pockets than the Barbados government has been paying for the test. If my kid refused where would the money to support self have come from?

    Certainly not from me, an old age pensioner with very, very shallow pockets.

    So is my kid being “unfaired” by a big corparation? I don’t think so. Anybody who thinks otherwise can volunteer to replace the very, very nice paycheck which the corporation provides.

    So far there have been ZERO volunteers. Only big talkers.


  28. https://gisbarbados.gov.bb/blog/covid-19-update-5-new-cases-111-in-isolation/
    Barbados government Covid19 information site


  29. @Cuhdear Bajan
    Thanks for the explanations. I certainly wasn’t familiar with the term ‘vaccine-hesitant’ prior to Covid. My problem is that it implies that everyone who doesn’t take a vaccine is doing so because they are hesitant and need to be convinced to do so. There may well be some people in that category but there are also people who have investigated Covid 19 and made a conscious and informed decision not to be vaccinated. I don’t think such people should be described as ‘vaccine-hesitant’.

    With regard to your son, does the employer also require vaccinated individuals to be tested twice per week? If not, what is the scientific basis for their dstinction between the vaccinated and unvaccinated?


  30. I am checking mortality rates for diseases before vaccines were developed for them and how effective they are at preventing infection.
    SURELY MORTALITY RATE IS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE HERE
    MANY FOLK WITH POLIO DID NOT DIE
    ONE REMBERS WELL THE UNIT FOR POLIO SET UP BY PROF GOLDING AT MONA
    AND MR LEE WHO WORKED IN PHYSIOLOOGY LAB
    I AM SURE THIS CENTER IS NOT SEEING MANY NEW PATIENTS TO DAY

    RE I am trying to reconcile the info with what GP is saying and having some difficulty.
    THIS IS BECAUSE YOUR ATTEMPTS AT RECONCILIATIN OF WHAT I SAID ARE NOT FOR GOOD REASONS

    YOU HAVE A DESIRE NOT TO KNOW
    BUT TO PROVE THAT I DO NOT KNOW LOL LOL N

    IS NOT GOOGLE HELPING YOU TODAY


  31. @Lawson at 1:42 pm

    The FDA has approved the use of Thalidomide (Thalomid) for treating a leprosy-associated condition. However, Thalidomide can also be used for HIV-related conditions if a physician prescribes it for “off-label use”.


  32. JOHN
    THIS IS A MASTER STROKE
    COVID too!!!

    … just look at the resistance to hydroxychloroquine which has been around forever? Just to wait on a “vaccine” with no track record.


  33. Who is resisting using hydroxychloroquine? Thought it was a case of the majority of medically trained doctors not prescribing it based on inconclusive research studies published in respectable medical journals.


  34. @WURA-War-on-U August 10, 2021 3:15 PM “They were warned to WAIT and see how all this will play out.”

    Warned by whom?

    We know by looking at for example exactly how it would have played out. Dead bodies in the streets as in Ecuador, dead bodies including my cousin juicing in poorly refrigerated containers in New York City, 5,885 deaths per million as in Peru, in Barbados terms about 1,500 dead from Covid19 instead of 48, morr than 1,000 families in mourning.

    Did you really want more of the same for us?

    And why?


  35. As we have seen in other countries the covid 19 situation is a fluid one, decisions taken today may have to be revisited tomorrow.


  36. @GP August 10, 2021 3:57 PM “IF GIVEN TO A FEMALE WITH MULTIPLE MYELOMA. DO YOU THINK THAT IT WILL CAUSE THE SAME PROBLEMS IT DID IN 1961?”

    It only caused problems in embryos and fetuses, not in adults.

    And in any event most women spend most of their lives being NOT PREGNANT, even my mother who gave birth to many, many children only spend about 7% of her life being pregnant.


  37. @ GP BU RETIRED “RESIDENT” DR August 10, 2021 4:48 PM “MANY BASIC PHARMACOLOGY TERMS WERE EXPLAINED HERE ON BU IN DETAIL IN A POWER POINT THAT WAS CREATED YEARS BEFORE GOOGLE EVER APPEARED.”

    Google first appeared in September 4, 1998. I just googled Google. Lol!

    BU did NOT 23 years old so GP is mistaken, or more than likely lying again.


  38. “WE WOULD HAVE HEARD OF IT IF ALL THESE ADVERSE EFFECTS WERE HAPPENING UNDER TRUMP AND THERE WOULD BE MORE DISCLOSURE OF THE ADVERSE EFFECTS”

    You compared Trump to a King ordained by God

    But we was a Fu-King Fuck


  39. “But he was a Fu-King Fuck”


  40. Cuhdear BajanAugust 10, 2021 6:20 PM

    https://gisbarbados.gov.bb/blog/covid-19-update-5-new-cases-111-in-isolation/
    Barbados government Covid19 information site

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I note the CMO ent saying a word on how many of the 111 are vaccinated and how many are not.


  41. @Tee White August 10, 2021 6:21 PM “With regard to your son, does the employer also require vaccinated individuals to be tested twice per week? If not, what is the scientific basis for their dstinction between the vaccinated and unvaccinated?”

    All employees vaccinated or not are required to be Covid tested. A full time nurse on staff takes the samples and sends them out to a lab. The employer pays for the nurse, the tests kits and the processing.

    It is not compulsory. But the employees cannot come on the employers premises otherwise. Actually at my own home I do not permit unvaccinated people either. I am the one who paid the mortgage, so I get to make the rules. Lol1 You remember the old saying “she who pays the piper calls the tune”


  42. I think there are those who took the vaccine for no good reason, other than it appeared and was sold” as a life line …. and it was free.

    Of course, the fact that Trump recommended it helped.

    Some of these folks I am sure are suffering VACCINE-REMORSE, akin to buyers’ remorse except the vaccine was free.

    Relax.

    It probably won’t do you nothing so get up and move and celebrate the gift of life.

    Human kind has gone through far worser events and thrived.

    ….. Forget your troubles and learn to say, Tomorrow is another day..


  43. In Barbados and I expect in much of the world there is a general medical hesitancy.

    An in-law had a stroke while standing at the bus stop on her way to the polyclinic. When her adult children checked she had not taken her prescribed hypertension medication for many, many months, yet she was on her way to the clinic. Why? the nice socialisation perhaps?

    Human beings are complex and contradictory.I was in my mid-30’s before I heard a man admit that he was afraid. I was unemployed and hanging out at the home of my parents. I liked my parents real, real bad and enjoyed spending time with them. It was then I heard my mother and her baby brother, aged early 60’s having a deep conversation about his long standing need for heart surgery. He said “S, to tell the truth I would have gone before but I was frightened” He had decided that he would go that week, but he did not make it. Left behind a housewife widow and a couple of children who were not yet of working age. It was then I discovered that male bravado is sometimes, maybe oftentimes. perhaps always a cover for their fear.

    So when men play big in my presence i imagine them having an honest conversation with their big sisters.


  44. Surely my earlier comment then is valid. Covid has a 98% recovery rate. What about those who suffer permanent damage but do not die? I heard there were some such cases. Do we know how many?

    And you are very wrong about my motive. I actually thought you were correct about no vaccine being pushed for a disease with a 98% recovery rate and that there are no breakthrough infections for other vaccines. I was trying to figure out why the covid vaccine then would have been pushed. And I came across recovery rates for measles and mumps that appeared to be higher than that of covid. Yet it seems that vaccines were developed. Also, I saw where it was said that fully vaccinated persons may still get infected with mumps.

    If I had wanted to prove you wrong, I would have done a copy and paste of the sections and slammed them down like a domino. But I am assuming that you can explain away what at first glance may appear to be differences.


  45. Some of the boys of BY may put some lashes on me for using Wikipedia, but here is some of the good that has been done by vaccines.

    It is believed that it took about 12,000 years to eliminate smallpox. I suppose that WURA and other would like us to wait for 12,000 years to eliminate Covid19 too

    During the 18th century the disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans EACH year, including five reigning monarchs, and was responsible for a third of all blindness.Between 20 and 60% of all those infected—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease.

    During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 MILLION deaths. In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world EACH year. As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year. After successful vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the global eradication of smallpox in December 1979.
    Source: Wikipedia

    P.S. My own mother when she first travelled to North America in the early 70’s was required to take a small pox vaccine, and to show her smallpox immunization card at that country’s border, otherwise she could not have entered. So vaccine passports are nothing new. Less that 10 years ago I travelled to South America and I took a yellow fever vaccine, not because i had to, but because I did not wish to take the chance of being bitten by a yellow fever infected mosquito and bring yellow fever back to my BELOVED Bajan people. In the bad old days yellow fever used to sicken and kill thousands of Bajans every year. The vector or one of the vectors is the all too familiar Aedes Aegypti. Look around your house now and you will find one or more.


  46. DavidAugust 10, 2021 6:33 PM

    Who is resisting using hydroxychloroquine? Thought it was a case of the majority of medically trained doctors not prescribing it based on inconclusive research studies published in respectable medical journals.
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  47. One explanation could be that mortality rate is not the fĺip side of recovery rate since recovery means that one actually caught the decease whereas mortality rate seems to be related to population size rather than those who caught the disease.

    I was seeking clarification because I was too tired to compute.


  48. Cuhdear Bajan,

    I have not seen a mosquito in my house for a few years now.


  49. Love this one.

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