Submitted by Dr. Kumar Mahabir

Barbados is located in the Caribbean near Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and Martinique. It is 34 kilometres (21 miles) in length and up to 23 km (14 miles) in width covering an area of 432 km (167 square miles). The present population of Barbados is 287,000 persons (just more than a quarter-million people) based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.

Five things that have made Barbados world famous: Rihanna, the international singer, songwriter, actress and designer, was born in Barbados; so too is Sir Garfield Sobers, the greatest cricket all-rounder of all time. And the Honourable Mia Mottley is the first female Prime Minister of Barbados. Barbados has also produced the oldest rum in the world from its Mount Gay Distillery. There are also its pristine, peaceful beaches.

Barbados has the head office of the Caribbean Examinations Council (CXC) which is under attack these days for its grading system. Prime Minister Mottley is also the Chair of CARICOM (the Caribbean Community) which played a critical role in restoring democracy to Guyana during the recounting of votes following the March 2020 elections.

The following are HIGHLIGHTS of an ICC ZOOM public meeting held recently (25/10/20) on the topic “The Indian community in Barbados: business, religion and race-relations.”The Pan-Caribbean meeting was hosted by the Indo-Caribbean Cultural Centre (ICC). The meeting was chaired by Sharlene Maharaj of Trinidad and Tobago (T&T) and moderated by Sadhana Mohan of Surniname.

The speakers where HAJJI SULEIMAN BULBULIA, Secretary of the Barbados Muslim Association and the Muslim Chaplain of the UWI, Cave Hill Campus; and SABIR NAKHUDA, author of the book Bengal to Barbados: A 100-year history of East Indians in Barbados (2013) extracts of which are reproduced below.The discussant was DR KUMAR MAHABIR, an anthropologist from T&T and an Organization of American States (OAS) Former Fellow.

Affectionately called “coolie-man”

East Indians (Indians) have helped shape the social, religious, cultural and economic landscape of Barbados. To understand these impacts, the focus must be on the itinerant traders (affectionately called “coolie-man”).  

For the itinerant trader, the main driver of undertaking an economic enterprise is to generate income. But his business had several unintended consequences, many of which were positive for the Barbadian society for over 100 years.

The “coolie-man” became more than a friendly trader in the neighbourhood; he became a member of the family, a counsellor and an advisor at times. The “coolie-man” in Barbados has many anecdotal stories (positive and negative) which have entered into folklore of the island and have been immortalized in local songs.

The experiences of those who benefited from access to goods on extremely favorable credit terms, at a time when buying cash was the only available option for the poor, is noteworthy. Credit to the average Barbadian was unheard of, and many residents had to struggle on the meagre earnings they received to get along as best as they could.  

In the Foreword to the book Bengal to Barbados, former Prime Minister of Barbados, Freundel Stuart, wrote: “… for many years, I experienced directly, the impact this important group made on the village in which I grew up in the parish of St. Philip. I saw these men alleviate the financial distress of many people who lived in Marchfield, St. Philip.

“They took care of back-to-school requirements for parents who could not afford to buy school uniforms by extending generous credit terms to them. At Christmas, the poorest households benefited from credit terms no less generous.”

Unlike the early Indians in Guyana, Trinidad & Tobago, St. Vincent, Grenada and other Caribbean Islands who went to work in the sugar plantations in the 1800s, Indian indentured labourers were not brought to Barbados. Those who came never intended to come to Barbados, but eventually ended up in Barbados and made the country their home.

The early Indians came from three different parts of India. The first Indian came to Barbados circa around 1910 from the Hooghly District in West Bengal: Bashart Ali Dewan initially went to Trinidad from India where his father-in-law was residing. He stayed there for a short while and then – for some unknown reason – moved to Barbados. Other Bengalis followed, and Bashart Ali Dewan and these pioneers stayed in the Bridgetown area of Barbados.

From inception, members of the Indian community have continued to practice their culture and religion. The Sindhi-Hindu community made part of their homes into mandirs [temple] until the opening of the first Hindu temple in Welches, St. Michael on the 22nd of October 1995.

The Muslim community continues to practice their faith individually and collectively. In the early days, the Friday jummah [congregational prayers] were performed at private homes at Wellington Street and Cheapside in the city. In 1951, the first masjid [mosque] was built in Kensington New Road.

330 responses to “The Indian community in Barbados: business, religion and race-relations”


  1. Many BU readers have studied history, so they can quickly tell you where they have seen this dangerous type of thinking before: Germany in the early 1930’s.
    It eventually led to the scapegoating of the Jews, the Holocaust, and millions of lives lost…..(Quote)

    This is either a misunderstanding of history or a deliberate misinterpretation of that terrible Jewish experience in post-Weimar Germany. Either way it should be rejected by reasonable people.


  2. PachamamaDecember 22, 2020 11:20 AM

    “When we called for the use of la guillotine we were deemed as barbaric.
    Now we see that there is a fellow traveler from England.”

    Pachamamum,
    Your call for the use of violence as a solution to our problems has been viewed by 99.999% of BU readers for it is – utter and absolute rubbish.


  3. @ Donna

    Just because I was snidely diagnosed by the limey nincompoop pseudo-psychiatrist that my addiction to bullying means I must find a victim, does not mean I’m blaming anyone.

    I’m just another “block limer” who is expressing my personal observations and opinions, which to some observant fellow, means I’m “🏃 running (my) derriere.”

    Don’t worry, I won’t bully you into agreeing or disagreeing with me.


  4. “We either sell Indians our houses and lands or assist them in obtaining properties through underhand methods. and then in turn have to rent houses, apartments and commercial space from them.”

    Indians know the value of business, investing in property, higher education, professional careers, family ties etc.
    You can hate them for it or copy them as you wish. Forwards ever backwards never.


  5. @Walter

    Do we have to reverse the process if the Indians are Barbadians and contributors to GDP?

    Is multiculturalism and all that goes with it the way of the world these days?

    #askingforafriend


  6. @Artax

    A good indicator of maturity is the ability to disagree- vehemently sometimes and agree to disagree on good terms.

    #hint


  7. @ Walter
    Exactly where are you heading with this contribution? The opinions expressed here about Indians are mild and barely scratch the service of a long needed discussion about how their community functions within our island state.
    I have read where your submissions and well articulated positions were brutal against black politicians.
    Pray tell me what has @ Pacha @ Hal or anybody else written here that will lead to some cataclysmic event.
    But that’s always the problem with us. We are absolutely brilliant going after our own but barely say anything about other groups and intellectual cowardice becomes evident.
    The Indians were not and are not philanthropists looking out for Black people. They saw an opportunity and exploited it to the max. To pretend that they or any other group was looking out for black people is extremely insulting to me.
    @ Pacha and @ Hal cannot be seriously questioned for what are extremely poignant, truthful and accurate responses to this current discussion.
    On this occasion you seem to suggest that Indians did us a favor. The opposite is true : if not not for black people, Indians would not be as rich and powerful as they are today.
    I recall when Cave Shepherd burn down, it was said that customers went and paid their bills because they had reason to believe that the senior Mr. Cave had been a very humane person. Many black people got credit from Cave Shepherd without any serious problems. I know many people who had rotating accounts at Cave Shepherd and they only wore high quality stuff. No cheap stuff that fell apart immediately after purchase.
    We have built up everybody but look around and ask what have they done for us.
    I find your response perplexing.
    Peace


  8. Especially for Hal Austin: Because of the new variant(s) of the corona virus in the U.K. Guyana has again suspended mail service between the two countries.


  9. @ William

    Like you, I have spent years trying to understand my fellow Bajans, thus my conclusion of a form of predictable behaviour, often expressed in cultural statements such as: is that your money; oar I am my own man; etc. The Bajan Condition.
    Here we have a majority-based blog talking about the failure of black-owned businesses and we are blaming black consumers for the total failure of these businesses. As business history, most of it is popular rubbish. As lessons for the future, there is no direction.
    As I try to get people to do, the first question should always be: who benefits? Then we go on to deconstruct the entire process until we reach a conclusion that is feasible.
    Nothing about our post-slavery history is that simple, even the professions we crowd in to like rabbits. Take law. We have so-called attorneys because the public could not go direct to barristers and the old solicitors did not pass work on to many of the black barristers.
    Businesses such as the Five & Ten, Civic, N.E. Wilson, Atwell, James A. Tudor, Simmonds, etc, failed for all kinds of reasons, including their relationship with the banks etc and lack of business acumen. In the 1960s we had a wealth of welding shops and small engineers.
    One of the most successful was Acme Engineering, which in the 1960s made buses for the Transport Board. Last time I said this I was challenged and it took an elderly ex-employee of the TB to confirm this. It could have been done much easier by reading back issues of the Advocate or even an official history of the TB.
    Barbados was in at the beginning of containerism, with the Deep Water Harbour, now the only changes proposed are to fit in cruise nine-storey ships, sailing towns.
    Look at the old Ju-C factory. The Trinidadians moved in and were not just prepared to own the business, but they moved it lock, stock and barrel to Trinidad, then continued to sell us the products and make a profit on them. What lessons should we learn from that?
    The skills needed to move from a one-person, family-owned or even small limited liability business to the next level is not that easy. Just look at Banks, Shipping & Trading, the sugar industry, Mount Gay. Surely the failure of those businesses, or the change in ownership cannot be simply explained. To do so we will also need to explain the relative success of the Goddards.
    Or take the Mutual, what was wrong with the Mutual, as a mutual, that was so different to Sagicor? Ironically, the same thing will eventually happen to the self-employed lawyers, when big practices will force out these one-person practices.
    We abandoned the legacy business of the Mutual and its with-profits investments to argue about race and politics. Let us step back and have a serious discussion.
    If small shopkeepers and other business people use their relative success to provide their offspring with the best education they can afford, then the children turn away from the family business, there is clearly a problem. But what is that problem?
    By the way, the Oxford-educated Cameron Tudor, son of James A, ended his life getting food parcels. I have said this before and one person came on shouting she did not believe it. Funny thing history.


  10. @ Mr. Blackman

    I could go further. The younger Indians are even much smarter than their fore parents. Since many of them remain in retail, Black Barbadians are essentially their ‘target market’ to be exploited, through an improved, well devised marketing strategies of segmentation, targeting and positioning.


  11. @Artax

    Black consumers are exploited everywhere. We are takers for the most part in the markets we occupy.


  12. @Simple Simon

    The biggest joke everytime the blogmaster post a blog by this author is to read the predictable comments. Here is an opportunity to use this blog to discuss race and related issues, instead some feel to relieve themselves by saying the blogmaster should not post the article. Simply amazing.


  13. Some people are behind and some are ahead
    and some are coming from behind to lap those ahead


  14. @ Hal
    Our major problem in discussions such as these is that people personalize the deeper philosophical question.
    For example:
    A buddy of mine returns to Barbados yearly and he purchases jewelry from
    an outfit on Broad Street. I told him that he should try a very well established black jeweler’s establishment. He never even considered it. He told me he “ went to school “ with the folks who owned the Broad Street establishment who were Indian. Now I can bet with the same scenario an Indian would have bought from an Indian and school ties would not have been the determining factor.
    On BU if you say that there is flooding in your area somebody would come and counter that by the extremely brilliant argument , that there is no flooding in their area and we tend to complain too much.
    So, here this morning we are hearing about who went school with whom; who got Indian friends and what great business philanthropists they are and how they help poor black people.
    The essence of the discussion then gets personal and the rest is history.
    Example # 2
    About forty plus years ago, on a Sunday morning on the same Swan Street, we were gathered at a restaurant owned by a Guyanese brother. We will keep his company while he cleaned up the place. We were all black business people other than one Indian.
    The conversation came around to raising money. The Indian was asked how long it would take him to raise a 250 000 dollars . It was about 11:00 AM , and it was a Sunday, he said after thinking for about three minutes, that he could raise that cash by 2:00 PM. We were amazed because he seemed to know who had cash at home and the amounts.
    We looked at each other; it would have been difficult for us to raise $500.
    Pick cents , not sense, from that !
    Peace and guidance Comrade.


  15. William Skinner
    Thanks.
    We will shut up if anybody here can tell the blog where in India can Bajans mobilize an enclave, corrupt customs officers, regularize a foreign religion, displace a business culture on a main shopping street, penetrate the elite institutions, look down on the majority population, and on and on.

    This is what an extreme miseducation has done. And Walter Blackman is the quintessential of that vicious system. We are willing to bet that he has no rasssoul money and being a good slave boy is for him the only way of being.

  16. NorthernObserver Avatar

    @HA
    you appear to be assuming the children “turn away”, rather than being ‘turned away’? Recent research, and it is yet not broad enough to be conclusive, this latter IS a thing. But without consistent causes. For example, one maybe a parental fear of the ‘future of the island’ and hence encouragement to move away; versus where the patriarch(s) do not see their offspring filling their shoes, and divestiture becomes an option. This latter case, is especially true where multiple offspring have emigrated. Naturally, some children do turn away by themselves, for a wide variety of reasons.

  17. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    In Barbados there is equal opportunity for all. We can either seize the opportunities or sit back ,do nothing and blame and envy other people their successes. The choice is always ours. Do we examine what we tell ourselves every moment of the day?


  18. Old Bajans do love their boring old anecdotes,
    but they are fucking dummies.
    Hal is well backwards as he never went to a multi-culti school in UK.


  19. India has a caste system that influences that society to this day. We have to be careful how we compare, it is not an apple to apple comparison.


  20. Vincent Codrington is an asshole.
    Nothing about a capitalist country is equal.
    For a man who claims to be a trained economist from an offshoot of the LSE this should be a minimum requirement.


  21. @ Hal

    The truth is many of the businesses that you speak of were retail businesses. Retail is probably today one of the most over saturated and Lower margin businesses out there. Look at the massive amount of retail spaces locked up all over st Michael and Christ church and this is proof of the brick and mortar future. Also many of the shop keepers and family retail entities wanted their sons to be lawyers, hence bringing an end to the small family owned entities. Not the case however with the Indians. Also it’s all about structure and priority as i will explain below.

    The entire structure of the Indian business model is done on credit and support. So here on the island we have Mr A who is the importing entity. Mr A then gives his product to 12 as we say Cooley men, who take it on credit and go on a weekend to sell it to their customers on credit. Every Thursday these 12 self employed salesmen then take their earnings and pay head man A his percentage. Once that is done head man A then issues these 12 cooly men with more stock equal to a percentage of what he receives. This is an excellent system because head man A has no staff expenses or holiday with pay, nor Severance to worry about so his overheads are low. The 12 coolie men are independent sales people who now dont have to tie up capital up front for stock either, so they too can pass on that saving. Then as these 12 coolie men better themselves they move on to shops where they now buy from other Indians in India and Pakistan etc. Of course they are repLaced with more young Indian men starting out with vans and hence the wheel continues to turn. The head man A does not worry about any of his 12 coolie men not paying him either, as he knows if this got out the entire community will shun that salesman and he will never be able to progress or get further assistance from their community.

    So here is the question for all wunna out there with wunna racist views. How come no black business man has done the same for young black guys wanting to start out? Clearly it’s a tried and proven system built on credit and personal trust so why haven’t they copied it? Oh and before you say nor has any white business people, I suggest you analyse how the close brethren business community operate as it mirrors the Indian business model.

    If wunna shame to answer let me tell you why. Becuase the black importer if you put this plan to him will say ” who me tek my stock and give them next thing they don’t pay me and I out of pocket not me.” You see the trust the old country shopkeepers had built up with the drink truck and the biscuit truck sadly is a thing of the past. We are all suspicious of each other so we trust no one. Then you have the crab in the bucket syndrome too where no one wants to see their brother do better than them. Wunna stop looking for excuses and take a long look in the mirror do for God’s sake!


  22. DavidDecember 22, 2020 12:07 PM

    “@Walter
    Do we have to reverse the process if the Indians are Barbadians and contributors to GDP?
    Is multiculturalism and all that goes with it the way of the world these days?”

    David,
    The process I am referring to is the process by which ownership and control of assets by blacks pass to another group. That is not a desirable outcome for black Barbadians.
    A reversal of this process means ownership and control of assets by other groups legally passing to blacks, or blacks acquiring new assets.

    Generally speaking, the process seems to be one-directional and not in the favour of blacks.

    How do we bring some balance to the process or seek to reverse the trend? .

    PS: We have a new medicinal marijuana industry getting ready to be opened up. Let us keep our eyes opened and see who will emerge at the apex of this new industry.
    Let us fervently hope and pray that it will be black Barbadians since the courts and the prison show that black Barbadians are practically the group with 100% “hands-on experience” in dealing with the product.
    LOL


  23. @John A

    Note David Seale and MER Bourne have done same I.e. outsourced key activities to Blacks, relieving themselves of running cost.


  24. @ John A,

    Did Mr.A and the 12 coolie men pay taxes or did they operate as a tax evading money laundering enterprise ?


  25. William SkinnerDecember 22, 2020 12:13 PM

    “@ Walter
    Exactly where are you heading with this contribution?”

    William,
    Merely referring to “this contribution” is not good enough.

    Please quote or make reference to something I wrote. Once that is done, an intelligent discussion can commence.


  26. @ David.

    Also remeber Sir David would tell you that he lifted plenty sugar bags at his father’s roebuck street shop as well. He was not afraid of hard work.

    Having said that nor was old Mr Tudor. He had a large business but no one in the family wanted to take it over and that went by the wayside even though he had massive support from local shopkeepers island wide back in his day.


  27. Black people have not moved the needle.


  28. @ Hants

    I think most of the small business people were foreign to tax paying hence the reason VAT was introduced. Now though with the tax bracket at 5% greater compliance is occurring. Plus with Tamis the door had been closed on alot of the evasion.


  29. “Last time I said this I was challenged and it took an elderly ex-employee of the TB to confirm this. It could have been done much easier by reading back issues of the Advocate or even an official history of the TB.”

    Curiosity led me to read that particular contribution, because, somehow, I instinctively knew the author would make some snide reference to me.

    There is good reasons why I like to keep copies of contributions from certain contributors, especially those who are known to ‘stretch the truth’ so as to make themselves appear more so knowledgeable of ANY TOPIC than any other individual in this form. His account of history is always accurate and credible, while accuses others of Googling. How could anyone access “back issues of the Advocate” without either going into the Library or Googling them?

    I don’t want to divert from the substantive topic or bore the forum, but I believe I should be given the opportunity to set the record straight. My argument was ACME did not make buses for Transport Board……… but that the company made BUS BODIES, (which was confirmed by the ex ACME employee).

    To substantiate the point I was trying to make, I said that during 1957 to 1971, government imported omnibuses from the UK already FITTED with bodies. For example, the:
    1). 1957 Leyland Tiger Cub, 1960 Leyland Albion Victor and 1960 Leyland Tiger Cub PSUC1.4 came with Metro Cammell Weymann (MCW) bodies;
    2). 1958 Mercedes (Daimler) Benz O-321 buses came with Mercedes bodies.
    3). 1958 Bedford SB1, 1960 Bedford SB8 and the 1960 Leyland LAD Compet buses all came fitted with Mulliner bodies;
    4). 1960 AEC Reliance came fitted with Harrington bodies.
    5). 1971 Leyland Albion Viking EVK41 came with Sparshatts bodies.

    To further emphasize my point about ACME making bus bodies, ‘government’ imported chassis for the 1967 & 1968 Leyland Tiger Cub PSUC1.11; and the 1971 Leyland Albion Viking Leyland EVK41, for which ACME made the BODIES.

    I also mentioned the last bodies ACME made for TB, was in 2000 for the HINO Road Rangers, but continued to retrofit bus bodies, until its closure in 2003. After it’s closure, ACME’s operations were taken over by two employees, who renamed it L&N Workshop Inc. The company continues to retrofit TB buses, make bodies for mini buses and commercial vehicles.

    Ironically, the author also claimed that Rocklyn Motor Omnibus Co. Ltd. and Elite Bus Company were, according to him, among the five (5) private concessionaires government took over when it established the Tansport Board in 1955.

    However, when I ‘told’ him he was incorrect, in response, he Google some nonsense about TB that was totally irrelevant to the ‘discussion.’ Subsequently, whenever he is asked about the accuracy of his comments, he either remains silent or accuse people of playing ‘gotcha.’

    I can ‘say’ without fear of contradiction that the author does not know the official history of the Transport Board. Most of the information he posts to BU are usually his personal opinions, which could be debated and accepted or refuted.


  30. @ David.

    Also we should respect the achievement of businesses like Shamrock Trading. Back in the 70s that black owned business had one of the largest warehouses on the island. I believe the building is now a mega church.


  31. ArtaxDecember 22, 2020 12:21 PM

    “@ Mr. Blackman
    I could go further. The younger Indians are even much smarter than their fore parents. Since many of them remain in retail, Black Barbadians are essentially their ‘target market’ to be exploited, through an improved, well devised marketing strategies of segmentation, targeting and positioning.”

    Artax,
    I understand the point you are making.

    A distressing feature of black (other groups too) enterprise is that the spouses, sons, and daughters of developing black business owners show little or no interest in these businesses. They fail to recognize that these businesses have the potential to generate inter-generational wealth.

    Some business owners have no succession plan and reach a point where, rather than train others to keep the business going, they opt to sell and enjoy the comforts that the cash brings.

    These scenarios represent short-sighted thinking.

    As you said, some young Indians (blacks and other groups too) improve upon the strategies adopted and markets created by their parents and push the businesses further along the road of development. Congrats to them.

    However, it would be remiss of me if I don’t point out to you that, similar to other groups (blacks, whites etc), there are some young Indian rogues and rascals who are “thiefing” and highly unethical and untrustworthy. They succeed only in destroying the trust and goodwill that their fore-parents built up, and in being shunned by most villagers.


  32. @ Northern Observer,
    I am not sure why you always try to ‘assume’ what I am thinking. Try another tactic. Just ask me.

    @ John A

    Two things. Global capitalism is driven by credit. Why wait until tomorrow when you can get your dream today? Just think of credit cards, mortgages, etc. Further, consumer capitalism is about retail.
    Is there a deeper psychology? I am not going off topic, but will give an example. A few years ago I made a comment on BU about some topical economic issue. A regular came on and pointed out that a young English journalist, commenting on the same subject, had said the opposite.
    It happened that I knew the person, who was aged about 38 at the time. I then pointed out I had been a journalist before this guy was born, and an editor longer than he had been in journalism; I said we were both foreign born: I in the Caribbean and he in France, and were educated to the same level.
    I then asked, if presented with reports by two people with the above CVs, what would he do. I was not suggesting that I was right, only that he could not be as dismissive as he was.
    Apply the same thinking to a major retail business in Barbados, one owned by a black Barbadian and one by a Pakistani.or even a white Barbadian. Which one do you think the consumer will opt for?
    Or make that restaurants, even if the top chef and bar staff were black at the white-owned restaurant? As to passing a business from generation to generation, there is still a lot to discuss. Hotels are a fair example, where ownership is in one ethnic hand and the key employees are from other ethnic groups. What st ops black people from being hotel owners?
    In Europe and North America family investment houses are huge – many of the names are familiar – including property, benefiting generations down the ages.
    How many family-run black investment businesses do you know? Wealth in the black community – North America and Europe – is often one-generational. After the death of the wealth creator there is usually a fight over the inheritance.
    @ William
    You are right. The explanation is more than sons and daughters being turned off from the old family business. For someone to claim there is equal opportunity in Barbados is either being provocative, or they are demonstrating how little they know about their own society.


  33. “The conversation came around to raising money. The Indian was asked how long it would take him to raise a 250 000 dollars . It was about 11:00 AM , and it was a Sunday, he said after thinking for about three minutes, that he could raise that cash by 2:00 PM.”

    @ Mr. Skinner

    I’ve made similar comments on several occasions. However, some nincompoop would come out of the ‘wood works’ to agree with you, while disagreeing with me for making the same comment.

    I’ll stand by my opinion that on BU, the problem is not the comments, but rather WHO makes the comments.

    @ John A December 22, 2020 1:47 PM

    You are absolutely correct.

    I would like you to read my contributions on the topic to verify whether or not if I expressed similar sentiments. I’ll bet you $1,000 no one will ‘say’ you’re blaming customers for the failure of Black businesses.

    It’s a similar arrangement with the Arab traders, whether they are Muslims or Christians. Note you would find all the Arab stores selling similar items of clothing. They pool together their resources and import several containers of merchandise, which are equally distributed amongst themselves.

    A new trader is introduced to the brethren and is given merchandise on consignment to sell.


  34. Artax,

    I am actually agreeing with you that we black people can do better despite the odds. No disputing that our hurdles are more significant than the white people but with a little smarts and a whole lotta sweat, we can succeed in business.

    We should advocate for a leveling of the playing field while we jog around it. Some have made it all around many times without injury. So can others.

    Success for most black people was to become a doctor or lawyer.

    And that have achieved! Nuff nuff doctors. Nuff nuff lawyers.

    Now we want to be businessmen.

    So….we have awakened from our slumber!

    So we now have to come from way behind. Behind the white people AND the Indians.

    I say we can achieve.


  35. have achieved


  36. @ Hal

    I would agree with what you say but it is also unfortunate to see so many black owned well established enterprises go by the wayside. I remember a place on the East Coast in Bathsheba opposite the NCC park that did some good Bajan food upstairs. I believe it was called Bonito Bar. Downstairs was the bar and upstairs was Buffett. Place did well for years with visitors and locals till the lady that ran it got too old to deal with it. Last time I passed it was just closed up. That would of been an excellent business for someone to carry on.

    I remember too in the 70s you would hear black Bajans say about black bajan shopkeepers things like ” what he know he is a shopkeeper.” Like if being a shopkeeper was beneath them. That shopkeeper was self employed and probably made twice what they made yet they looked down on him as “serving behind a counter.” In other words it was better to be a goverment clerk working for $800 a month back then than a self employed shopkeeper earning twice that. We turned our back on such activities and left the doors wide open for others, now we sit here and bitch about it.


  37. Walter Blackman December 22, 2020 2:20 PM #: “However, it would be remiss of me if I don’t point out to you that, similar to other groups (blacks, whites etc), there are some young Indian rogues and rascals who are “thiefing” and highly unethical and untrustworthy. They succeed only in destroying the trust and goodwill that their fore-parents built up, and in being shunned by most villagers.”

    @ Mr. Blackman

    I agree with you 100%. I recognise you’ll find a ‘black sheep’ in almost every family.

    Perhaps you didn’t noticed I also mentioned many of them are ‘allegedly’ involved in the ‘underground economy.”


  38. William SkinnerDecember 22, 2020 12:13 PM

    “@ Walter
    On this occasion you seem to suggest that Indians did us a favor.”

    William,
    Please quote or refer to a sentence (even a phrase or a single word would do), which I wrote to remotely suggest that the “Indians did us a favor.”

    PS:
    Vincent Codrington, in three opening lines and sentences, set the stage for a reasonable and intelligent discussion of the subject at hand.

    So far, as is my wont, I brusquely “pulled Pacha’s tail” and enjoyed a little giggle and mirth at the annoyance he always displays after his tail has been “skinned up”.

    I assert that it is a dangerous way of thinking to view the Indians as a group responsible for anything (real or imagined) that black Barbadians lost or anything negative that caused black people to suffer. We should not hate or despise the Indians for any gains they legally or legitimately made. That type of thinking led to the scapegoating of the Jews with disastrous consequences.

    Nothing Hal wrote changed my assertion or view related to that matter.


  39. @ Walter

    I did not write anything about the subject, apart from pointing out you have either misunderstood that phase our our history, or are not fully aware of post-Weimar German history. I seek not to change your mind on anything.
    If it helps, I think the post-war, really post-1960s, multi-cultural experiment has been a total disaster, in Europe and North America..


  40. William SkinnerDecember 22, 2020 12:13 PM

    “@ Walter
    I have read where your submissions and well articulated positions were brutal against black politicians.”

    William,
    When it comes to retarding the growth and development of black Barbadians in some (not all) critical areas, please name one group whose policies succeeded magnificently in keeping us down, whilst building up other groups at the same time?

    The Indians?

    Nah.


  41. @ Donna

    BU is an interesting forum. When some contributors highlight local problems and you mention anything about other jurisdictions facing similar problems, followed by how we could go about solving our problems, you are often criticized.

    However, I hope you’ve noticed that, in response to this article, some of your same critics have essentially suggested that we should look at the activities of Indians in other countries as a benchmark to observe the activities of Indians living here………… which is something your critics seem to have purposely ignored.

    It is not about WHAT is contributed, it’s all about WHO makes the contribution.


  42. @Artax

    You must have heard the blogmaster make mention of commenters who play the man and not the ball? It shows a level of hypocrisy, immaturity and dishonesty in debating the issues. Who can recall when Barbados Free Press blog labelled BU a racist blog? Yet some of the codgers on the blog accuse BU of not dealing with race issues.

    #steuspe


  43. @ John A

    How do you explain the failure of the business? If the children are not interested in physically running the business, they are not interested.
    I think the problem lies elsewhere. It is a blind spot in our business culture, which should be discussed at some point. Don’t tell me about the business of keeping shop, with people ‘trusting’ (taking credit) all week until they got paid.


  44. John A December 22, 2020 2:08 PM #: “Also we should respect the achievement of businesses like Shamrock Trading.”

    @ John A

    Lloyd Alleyne’s Shamrock Trading is an excellent example. Here was a poor man who went from rearing animals and carpentry to opening what could be perhaps the first chain of small supermarkets in Barbados. I recall he had locations in Eagle Hall, Barbarees Hill, Baxter’s Road and Sweet Vale in St. George. BU’s older folk could probably remind the forum if there were other locations.

    Alleyne had several children, none of whom were interested in taking over his businesses. I know this for a fact. As he became older, he scaled down operations into a wholesale outlet at his Barbarees Hill property, part of which he sold to Bryden’s, before selling the entire property to New Dimensions Church.


  45. @Artax

    There was the Shamrock credit union.

    The children became involved in horse racing at the BTC?


  46. The following was also submitted at the same time by Kumar.

    The 45 th Independence Anniversary of Suriname
    By Dr Kumar Mahabir
    The 45th Independence Anniversary of Suriname was celebrated in grand style on November 25 th
    2020. The Independence Day (Onafhankelijkheidsdag) was marked by the annual public holiday
    On November 25 th 1975, Suriname gained its independence from the Kingdom of the
    Netherlands. In the months leading up to independence, nearly one-third of the population of
    Suriname emigrated to the Netherlands.
    The first President of the country was Johan Ferrier, the former governor, and Henck Arron was
    Prime Minister.
    The following are HIGHLIGHTS of a ZOOM public meeting held recently (22/11/2020) on the
    topic “The 45 th Independence Anniversary of Suriname.” The Pan-Caribbean meeting was hosted
    the Indo-Caribbean Cultural Centre (ICC). It was chaired by Varsha Ramrattan amd moderated
    by Dr. Kirtie Algoe, both women from Suriname.
    The speakers were ANGELIC ALIHUSAIN-DEL CASTILHO, Suriname’s former Ambassador
    to Indonesia and Chair of the Democratic Alternative91 (DA’91) party; DR. DEW SHARMAN,
    a medical doctor and the Deputy Chair of the National Assembly/Parliament of Suriname; and
    DR STEVEN DEBIPERSAD, also a medical doctor and and economics lecturer at the Anton de
    Kam University of Suriname.
    CASTILHO said:
    “Suriname’s main focus was, and still is, on the Netherlands, although Suriname joined
    CARICOM [the Caribbean Community] in 1995.
    For all the years of our independence, there have not been ethnic clashes. However, it remains
    something we have to actively guard against. To ethnically unite Suriname has to be our goal for
    the next 45 years.
    Over the past 45 years, there is only one institution – the judiciary – that has remained intact and
    withstood bad governance, and is still trusted and respected.
    Independence is a journey that never ends. After 45 years, we still have disputes to settle at our
    borders, but also within our borders with our indigenous population. This cannot and should not
    be the inheritance of the next generation. We have to place a solid foundation for good
    governance, democracy and the rule of law as well as sustainable economic development.”

    DR SHARMAN said:

    “In 1873, the first Indians arrived in the Lalla Rookh as indentured labourers. In total, about
    33.000 persons came to Suriname from which about 50% returned to India.
    The persons who decided to stay in Suriname were essentially treated as second-class citizens.
    Although they worked very hard to achieve a better life, they were not allowed to integrate into
    the society, for example, by being excluded for government jobs, etc.
    Since the declaration of the general voting-rights in 1949, an awareness came to Surinamese-
    Indians that to get ahead in society, politics and education must be two important vehicles.
    Due to their struggle for equal rights against mainly Afro-Surinamese, and available
    opportunities, the VHP political party was formed. This party became quite prominent and de-
    escalated the racial tensions by adopting brotherhood and fraternization policies.
    The political atmosphere in the run-up to Independence was tense and threatening for many
    Surinamese-Indians who feared ethnic escalations as had happened in Guyana a decade before.
    Due to the socio-political challenges, thousands of Surinamese – primarily of Indian origin –
    moved to the Netherlands for a better future and educational opportuities.
    However, some of the people stayed in Suriname to help develop the country. Persons of Indian
    descent now form an integral part of Suriname’s society, although situations could be better.
    Some of these persons have grown to an estimated 400,000 in number. Those who went to the
    Netherlands also helped develop that country as well.”

    DR DEBIPERSAD said:
    “Suriname is at an important crossroads. We are now in the midst of a steep crisis, with a
    negative growth prediction this year by 12.5%, and a Government debt exceeding 125% of GDP.
    Combine these results with a CC rating heading to a default and a high country risk, tapping into
    new funds and attracting investors have become a major challenge.
    Unsustainable debt combined with Covid-19 woes resulted in a steep decline of Government
    bonds, losing nearly 40% in value. October was the second time this year that the Government
    asked creditors for a deferral on interest payments.
    My closing remarks are on the road ahead: First and foremost, the Government should work on a
    comprehensive restructuring plan. This roadmap for stability and sustainable growth should be
    finalized ASAP.
    Just as important is a long-term debt management plan, especially since government’s debt
    exceeds 125% of GDP with the economy being in a deep recession and even more loans needed
    to trigger productivity.”

    With a homegrown plan, assistance from the IMF should be sought. This has become a necessity
    for restoring confidence with the creditors abroad; this is just on the monetary and fiscal side.
    Equally important is a collaboration with the US, NL, F, among others, to seek foreign investors.
    De-risking has kept investors away. With these initiatives, our comparative advantage will be
    enhanced.”


  47. @ David BU

    I cannot recall if any of Alleyne’s children became involved with horse racing and I believe the credit union was an entirely different entity.


  48. @ Artax

    Yes you are absolutely correct. Mr Alleyne had built a powerful base for distribution, which today had it been taken over and run properly, could of equalled Spring Garden Foods.

    I think it goes back to Bajans not understanding the difference between service and servitude. So selling behind a counter rice by the pound while being customer service, was also seen by some as servitude. From this came expressions like ” I ain’t raise you to stand behind no counter.” So while we were busy creating lawyers the other races created business people. It wasn’t just the Indians either, many poor whites went on to build sizeable businesses, like did many blacks like Tudor and Alleyne. The problem is the black businesses did not have the second generation follow through.

    That is why i say if you want to blame anyone look for a good mirror and blame yourself. But it was not just the blacks. I remember in the 80s when many of the white brethren boys started buying and driving trucks, other whites looked down on them too. In the meantime the brethren have quietly built their empire in everything from real estate development to manufacturing. It’s all about how bad you want it. As they say Bank balance trumps ego 7 days a week, or as the guyanese business people say ” crab don’t walk crab don’t eat.” If we think we are owed something, well sit there and carry on smartly while the world passes you by


  49. @Artax

    Why was the credit union named Shamrock?


  50. PachamamaDecember 22, 2020 1:08 PM

    “This is what an extreme miseducation has done. And Walter Blackman is the quintessential of that vicious system. We are willing to bet that he has no rasssoul money and being a good slave boy is for him the only way of being.”

    Pachamamum,
    You will win your bet easily. I have no money, and I have no respect for you. Your riches mean nothing to me.

    I do not pretend that I came from a rich family. My parents died and left neither insurance money nor property for me. That can be said for many, many Barbadians.

    From early, like hundreds of thousands of Barbadians, I realized that education was my only opportunity to escape the perennial ravages and clutches of poverty. That is why I laugh uncontrollably when “duncy” people like you who can’t even spell simple words try to make people who passed the 11+ exam feel ashamed and guilty for passing.

    I put many hours and years into under-graduate and post-graduate studies and went on to spend more years completing actuarial professional exams to achieve my professional designation. I am not telling you this as an act of bragging. I am saying it to advise every reader (young or old) to invest some time in their own personal development. The poorer you are, the more time you have to invest in yourself to break the cycle of poverty. Stealing and robbing are not recommended.

    After many years of study and hard work, and huge sums of money paid by Barbadian taxpayers for my education, I watched as a foreign company was paid $54 million by the government of Barbados to carry out bond calculations that I, and some other Barbadians, can do with our eyes shut. That gives me an idea of how much my knowledge is worth. Maybe, one day, a foreign government might give me a multi-million dollar contract, and I would not be an “11+ slave boy” any longer. At least I have prepared myself in the event the opportunity turns up.

    Be that as it may, I hold no envy or malice towards you and your rich cohorts around the world for having your millions of dollars. Enjoy your money for the time your life lasts, but always remember that you can’t take it to hell with you. We brought nothing into this world and we will take nothing out.

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