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Submitted by Ziggy Greene

I was listening to Senator Caswell Franklyn yesterday on Starting Point an Antiguan talk program. The host asked Franklyn about the recent political goings-on in Barbados and in his inimitable style answered forthrightly. The topic turned to the prospects of the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) now that it was unrepresented in parliament. Franklyn replied inter alia that the DLP and its founder leader Barrow were one and the same. And since Barrow’s death the party has been dying- a very interesting and insightful comment. I must say I agree with that assessment.

Senator Caswell Franklyn’s interview with Starting Point Talk Show

Thanks Caswell
I wanted to write about the link between founders and the continuation of what they started, especially political parties. In the case of the DLP, this is very crucial as it is facing what I believe is an existential crisis. We have seen the old faces of the party led by their front man George Pilgrim battling with the two year installed Verla De Peiza for leadership of the party.

What does this portend
If the DLP retrogresses to the leadership that led to a 30-0 drubbing at the 2018 polls will its prospect be any different in 2023? I think not. Their ineptitude will be forever associated with the disastrous economic plunge of Barbados whether or not they are solely to blame, whether they inherited a stacked deck or world events did them no favours. That they see it fit to challenge the new leadership of De Peiza is either a failure on her part to stamp her authority on the party or they think the recent kinks in the Barbados Labour Party (BLP) armour presents an opportunity for their resurgence. It is not lost on me that when the BLP were pushing investigations into alleged fraudulent activities under their stewardship they were silent but when Chris Sinckler , one of them, was given a pick in a Mottley Committee, they crept slowly out of the woodwork.

How will it play out with DLP party voters
So the choice is between Verla De Peiza and the old guard. Between a break from the past- if you can call De Peiza that but I will in this instance- and a continuation of a failed regime. How forthcoming will the old guard be when they address DLP party voters? Will the warning of Ulrich Beck in his book Risk Society: Towards a New Modernity in 1992, that we make decisions according to information derived from politicians and experts who in most cases are self-serving, ring true?

Really, what it is that the old guard can offer that they didn’t before? That brings us back to Franklyn’s comment Barrow and the DLP are incontrovertibly linked. I am not for one moment postulating that the old guard represents Barrow’s philosophy, far from it. I am positing however that at some point for a party to carry beyond its founders, it must reform and reinvent itself. We cannot do so with the old guard. And just as our society is transforming into a new modernity from the vestiges of the past or as Beck puts it, ” freeing itself from the contours of the classical industrial society” the DLP must pry itself from the shadow of Barrow and the stench of the old regime and transition into a new modernity.

In our first piece on this subject I submitted that DePeiza must articulate these changes clearly and with some alacrity. And with pressure from the old guard and a bye election in St George north on the horizon more than ever these changes are needed now.

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115 responses to “Reform or Die II”


  1. the unions have been a sell out for a long time now. they simply dont agitate for workers’ welfare in my view. they are all about what the leadership can get. the workers be damned. unions are not only there to get pay increases but to advise workers how to best utilise their skills for the benefit of the nation and in turn their own benefit. that means going to work on time and doing a fair day’s work for a fair day’s pay. in addition unions especially in the public sector should be constantly reinforcing to public sectors workers that they are there to serve the public and not the other way around. unions should be holding classes for workers to hone their public interface skills so that the bad attitude displayed by civil servants towards the public would be minimise if not eliminated.

    moreover and i cant emphasise this enough instead of always demanding pay increases unions should be agitating for an ownership share in the business in negotiating with the private sector and in the case of government demanding that they be the first to be offered government departments if they are to be privatised. that is how they can serve their members in this modernity. that is how you build and maintain wealth- business ownership, collective or otherwise.

    and to prepare for that they should teaching business ownership and attendant responsibilties to members


  2. Didn’t the BWU (under then General Secretary, Leroy Trotman) and the other trade unions, private sector, public sector employees and the then opposition marched against the Sandiford administration sometime before the 1994 general elections were announced?

    What I believe was a “game changer” was the fact 5 members of Sandiford’s Cabinet, including Trotman, became so disillusioned with his leadership that they voted in favour of the no confidence motion the BLP brought against ‘Sandy.’

    It is important to note Trotman contested the 1986 general elections as the DLP’s candidate for St. Michael Central and won the ‘seat.’
    Former BWU General Secretary Sir Frank Walcott was also a member of the DLP. And, so too were NUPW General Secretaries Joseph Goddard and Dennis Clarke.

    Caswell Franklyn, who has his own trade union and is a member of the Opposition PdP, is regarded as a ‘hero’ by several BU contributors.

    But, now they have a problem because Toni Moore is rumoured to be the BLP’s candidate for St. George North?

    Or is it a problem because it’s the BLP?


  3. David
    The DLP placed a person to be High Commissioner to London. The party was wipe out 30-0.The person showed an interest in leadership .That same old guard, seems from the mouthing’s at that time that no newbies cannot lead the party and supported Verla over the person. It made perfect sense to go with a new person because a rebuilding effort was required without any baggage. The old guard now feel that people forget but they are wrong. There is still a need for reform and they cannot do it. Too much baggage
    I am not a political strategist but the High Commissioner would have done better than Pilgrim in St.John.


  4. Agree Guy would have been a good choice even in a transitional role. It would have immediately gone a long way to identify with a different modus operandi. Added to the fact he is intelligent and respected across segments.


  5. Artax,

    i dont remember the unions and opposition and private sector in a staged coordinated march around that time. i remember the unions and the opposition but i may be wrong. could you please provide a link or a source?


  6. @ Hal
    @ Greene
    Occasionally, the BLPDLP set up such scenarios and we fall for the trickery. It’s just games for them and they know how to feed their followers red meat so that they can come on BU and embarrass themselves.
    Imagine a union calls for 23% and then accepts 5% and that is considered a great achievement by the government if you are a Bee. Now if you are a Dee you pretend that they should have gotten more. In the meantime while you were in office you offered them 2.5 %. That’s how the stupidness works. Shortly after you give them 5% you send home some other workers because there simply is no money to pay them. But hold on for a minute; you have no money but you increase the size of the previous cabinet by nearly 100%. And on and on it goes: BLPDLP trickery .
    The only thing I thank the BLPDLP for , is that I know they will never poison the kool aid. It’s a mercy for which I thank them daily.
    Peace


  7. @David,

    from what i heard Hewitt didnt seek to canvass support from party delegates or began too late. you know how these things go. you have to have some connection in the party. from what i heard he was / is a supporter of the party but not well known inside the party so to speak. i agree he would have been an interesting choice but with little inside support it was virtually impossible


  8. @Greene

    In a nutshell he was a rookie and the party machinery huffed him.


  9. DavidSeptember 22, 2020 2:20 PM Stupse. Bunch of jokers. No one is going to vote the same old crew back in. A bye election come and they suddenly appear like vultures.

    Best thing that Hewitt can do is join Grenville and try to strengthen that party.

    Remember, there is effectively NO OPPOSITION now. So DLP is at the same base level as any other!!!

    Grab the horns and run with it Hewitt / Grenville.

    Have to give Grenville kudos, he has consistently put out thoughts and been a regular opposition, clearly also pushing for Barbados.

    Give jack his jacket.


  10. I say again, if the DLP lose this seat, they can close those doors.

    If Grenville is smart, he will be up front and center from now until the day after the bye election. When they lose, be up front and confirm that they are finished and that his is now the only legitimate opposition.

    Never mind if he does not win it, he has to play the publicity game.


  11. @Crusoe

    The DLP has a residual loyalty/base that makes it easier to rebuild. The challenge for executive positions by the old guard as an affront to Verla only serves to deplete the support.


  12. Still cant figure out what all the marchibg business got to do with moore running for sgn. If she is a members of the b and is noninated and selected

    To me it seems that since the unions turned against the dem that They became a problem to the dlpites so They pick at anything

    If the story was reversed than all would have been Ok


  13. No member of the old DLP guard will run for the by-elections. Why should they do this to themselves, campaigning in front of the black masses and stuffing their hungry mouths with food packages for bribery? I suspect that many are now multimillionaires after their ministerial years and no longer need to deal with the black masses. The new home of the DLP grandees is with the whites in Canada, Florida or London.

    For DLP grandees, the black population of Barbados is nothing more than a doormat and a ladder step to ascend to the whites of the North.


  14. DavidSeptember 22, 2020 2:28 PM

    I actually wonder about that. That support was largely built on Barrow. Even the election in 1986, when he was 66 and clearly looked aged, when he should have been enjoying his later years, they needed him desperately and would not have won without him, which they knew.

    Far as I am concerned, that killed him. Those top jobs are tough and demanding jobs. While people can run a business or regular job into the late 70’s, those head jobs take a much greater toll.

    Much of his older supporters have passed on and the younger people, those in their thirties and younger, would not have that allegiance to the party.

    The same awe is not there for any of his successors. Therefore, the DLP is a shell of its former self, much because the last lot also disparaged its legacy.

    This is the prime moment for a third party to be the main opposition.

    Grenville needs to sit with Hewitt and come to an understanding. Pull in Hennis also as part of the leadership core. The three of them, if they work together, can lead a strong force into the next election, with significantly more capability than the present or recent past DLP.

    Now is their time.


  15. Why is Hewitt being talked about as a future leader of the DLP and, by assumption, a future prime minister? What are his distinguishing features?


  16. Crusoe
    You are so wrong matching Grenville with DLP support. There are hard core DLP supporters just like the BLP. Case in point, a constituency branch meeting voted for Denis Lowe to be a candidate. Maybe eight persons but still an organized group. Grenville party does not have any constituency branches


  17. Take DLP for Trinidad ….


  18. Ask the same question of Pilgrim.


  19. Lest we forgetSeptember 22, 2020 2:53 PM Crusoe a constituency branch meeting voted for Denis Lowe to be a candidate. Maybe eight persons but still an organized group.
    +++++++++++

    Eight people? Eight is a number to take seriously? That is seriously sad.


  20. Crusoe
    I do not know I was just joking about eight persons but outside of election time in opposition politics the constituency branch meetings for Bs and Ds are small. Only when in government the people come out because they want a pick or favour done.


  21. Lest We Forget;

    What you just wrote reaffirmed what David write a couple of days ago.

    People support political groups NOT because of principles and policy, but because of what they can individually get.

    Yet we ask for the best behaviour from the same politicians and the systems.

    It does not work like that. We all know that you cannot sow potato and reap carrots.

    I really wonder sometimes. Are we spitting in the wind?

    The sad thing is that we would be hard put to find it much different in any country across the globe and the idiot up north has taken it to a whole new level.


  22. Maybe the fowls from either side of the colonial divide can answer this, so what the hell does Mia have to trade with two Arab SLAVE COUNTRIES that i would not step foot in even if they were the very last countries on earth, both with evil reputations for kidnapping and enslaving African,s castrating them and raping them for thousands of years.. while bearing in mind that Barbados is 95% African…..the answer should be very interesting…

    “The proposed new missions are High Commissions in Kenya and Ghana, an Embassy in the United Arab Emirates and a Consulate at Casablanca, Morocco.”


  23. The arguments on this blog continue to baffle. Toni Moore is rumoured to be the candidate for the BLP according to Greene (only last week he said it was well-known that Lisa Cummins will be the candidate). But isn’t Toni Moore currently an independent Senator and can influence bills that make or break her union members as occurred with IL bill? Likewise, isn’t Caswell an opposition senator and head of the Unity union? Somebody help muh.


  24. Grenville is a Trump supporter. That alone should disqualify him. I don’t believe you guys are even taking that clownish schoolboy seriously.

    I cannot see Guy Hewitt putting up with his idiocy. One should not join up with someone just for expediency. Grenville would spoil Guy’s reputation as a serious man.


  25. Enuff, Quite simply, the Senate is irrelevant in its present form.


  26. this seat has been in BLP control since 1996. there has to be a large swing against the BLP in the worst of times to change fortunes. we are not there yet. so it is nonsense to say if the DLP doesnt win this they are done


  27. Should the DLP consider not fielding a candidate in the by election? What is the downside? It seems like a lose lose situation.

    The blogmaster has been hearing Kaye McConney is the one. She is no comyuh and she has some achievements to shout about.


  28. Kaye McConney? MAM must be real confident cos i cant remember when last people in St George elected an outsider? does she live in St George?


  29. @ Hal Austin September 22, 2020 2:49 PM

    Guy Hewitt was ambassador in London and is therefore used to white luxury. He is therefore the ideal tool for the puppeteers in Barbados (so-called white shadows) to continue to enslave and oppress the black masses. If I were the Williams brothers or Baron of Kyffin, I would sponsor Hewitt. He is the rational choice for our business class.


  30. John 2 do not take Greene, Skinner or Audtin seriously.Their agenda on here is to rabble rouse and to try to create strife.Greene who do not live about here earlier stated that he heard Ms Cummins is the candidate for SGN and i live here and have not heard this. I asked him who is running for the Dems his party and he cannot tell us.His aim is to stir up trouble but he will not succeed.Some time back he wanted to explain the lost decade to people who actually live through it where he blamed Mr Arthur and Mr Stuart but left out the star boy Mr Thompson.The same Tho.pson whose first budget sucked the life out of the economy as he had not a clue what he was doing only wanting to become PM.Greene now wishes to rehash history talking about marches but as someone reminded him the biggest march of my lifetime came against Mr Sandiford where all kinds of people marched against him bringing him down in the processTherefore Ms Moore as a bajan has the right like Sir Roy Troan, Mr Greaves Mr Morris and others to run for political office.


  31. Yes in a democracy any one has such a right
    Hopefully those govt workers who were tossed under the bus by Moore used their democratic right to return her the same favour


  32. Mari
    There u go
    They had that right all the time and in two years far they have not rebelled

    Greene failing to understand that the reAl power in the union are the workers not the leaders

    The leader have to fall inline with what the workers want or hit the road

    The workers did want the ds out
    Both gov and private sector workers
    Everyone want that group of dems out

    The worker wanted miA
    They got miA. Therefore they quiet (for) now

    Lorenzo

    I not as dump/bright as some may think


  33. Crusoe
    You missed the whole point.🤣🤣🤣🤣


  34. @ Tron September 22, 2020 5:22 PM “Guy Hewitt was ambassador in London and is therefore used to white luxury. ”

    He is kinda chubby int he?

    Maybe this white luxury thingy int so good?


  35. @Tron September 22, 2020 10:03 AM “We should therefore differentiate voting rights according to wealth or income.”

    This won’t work because Barbados practiced this from 1627 to 1951.

    Didn’t work too well.

    By 1937 Barbados was the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere.

    240 of every 1,000 children born died before the age of 5.

    One of the ones who nearly died was my brother. My uncle built the coffin and had it ready for him.

    It was hard on the toddler and real-real hard on my beloved parents.

    We won’t go there again.

    If pushed in that direction we will have to finish the job began in 1937.

    Except that this time around a lot more people have guns, and the gun owners are not all rich, white men.

    A word to the wise.


  36. @NorthernObserver September 22, 2020 8:32 AM ““only financial members will be allowed to vote”
    Control? When will one need a BRA certificate to vote in a general election?

    Are you mad Northern?

    How about a BRA certificate from those who currently hold elected office, and from those who have ever help elected office, and from those who aspire to hold elected office.


  37. @Donna September 22, 2020 9:26 AM “And nobody has written more crap on BU than Grenville Phillips the second in defence of a ghost party.”

    CORRECTION: duppy party.


  38. @Lorenzo September 22, 2020 5:30 PM “.Greene who do not live about here earlier stated that he heard Ms Cummins is the candidate for SGN and i live here and have not heard this.”

    I live here, and I heard this, and I am no DLP or other political partisan rabble rouser.

    You really need to get out more. Take an example from auntie and rub shoulders.


  39. If the BLP runs a bullfrog, the bullfrog will win. End of story.

    And Lisa is no bullfrog, but is a smart, good looking, hard working, young woman.

    I wish her well.


  40. Well, well, well! First only Barbadian born people should vote in a referendum and now only rich people or taxpapers (and I say “or ” because many rich people get off without paying taxes) should vote in an election?

    I ask again, “Wuh vibes wuhnuh pon?????


  41. so now the Cave Hill Campus is to be renamed Owen Arthur Campus at Cave Hill? what bollocks? what does Arthur have to do with the campus besides attending, coming up with crap about one graduate per household and gifting some land for expansion. name the economic depart after him if anything but the campus no way.

    in case MAM doesnt know its history- Cave Hill was established by the DLP in 1963 as part of its free education expansion for Barbadians. It started with 118 students at a temporary site near the Deep Water Harbour. It later moved to its present Cave Hill location and was designed for 500 student on its 47 acre site. It has since been expanded and now houses 7-9000 students on 98 acres.

    apart from what i mentioned above what does Arthur have to do with Cave Hill? “gimme de vote and watch muh?” what next …XMAS? on second that would be better or how about naming April 1st Owen Arthur day


  42. Bitter?


  43. She will name apr 1 after the sleeping giant


  44. Everybody n here knows that I LOVED the little short guy.

    I understand the wish to “honor” him, since he was not the sort to lust after Sir and such like titles.

    But I think that auntie and UWI should leave Cave Hill alone.

    If we wish to commemorate him, how about the most prestigious scholarship, Open to all Caricom people, because Owen was a hard core Caricom man. which every year funds a few young people from undergraduate to doctoral level. Pay for tuition, pay for books, pay for housing, pay for airfare, pay for busfare, pay for some recreational and cultural activities, pay for the youngsters to attend and participate in related conferences. The youngster would have to have very high grades in order to be eligible, the youngster would have to maintain very high grades, the youngster would have to commit to giving five years of hard intellectual labour to any Caricom state. The Owen Arthur scholarship. I like that name.

    And not having to worry about finances would be of great help to any young boy or girl from Rose Hill, ofrBush Hall, or Silver Hill. or Kingston or Port of Spain or St. John’s etc.


  45. I like living, ongoing memorials such as scholarships.

    Dead buildings, not so much.


  46. So how did they manage to SCREW UP both the CXC and CAPE results in 2020…..what were they doing, the only difference this year is that everyone is wearing masks…don’t tell parents SHITE ABOUT CALM DOWN…people are having hell feeding themselves and their children, you incompetent, arrogant assholes..


  47. @ss
    I know you does read nuff and post nuff. The first comment by David in this thread, was a newspaper article, which stated that at the upcoming DLP ‘convention’ only “financial members would be allowed to vote”. I took this to mean members of the DLP who had paid their dues? Hence my comments.


  48. @David
    The blogmaster has been hearing Kaye McConney is the one. She is no comyuh and she has some achievements to shout about.
    ++++++++++++++++

    Whaddya yuh mean? Didn’t the PM amend the Constitution for her because she was over and away?
    SGN about as good as winning a lottery…….


  49. Enuff. No I did not. What I said was part and parcel of your point.

    Which I think you would posit as being all a dem de same?

    Or Waru would call The Big Lie?


  50. Should overseas Barbadian citizens have a vote in the forthcoming referendum?

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