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Projection of Seats: Conservatives 368 Labour 191 SNP 55 LD 13 – Majority of 86
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@ Grenville Phillips aka Bedroom Policeman aka Iso TALIBAN
de ole man does watch people carefully.
I watched Jeremy Corbyn and recognised that he became the major “other choice” for the majority of the British Electorate.
who is the major “other choice” in America contra Donald Trump?
who have they been grooming? Joe Biden? someone who, with his son’s involvement in the Ukraine, is partially tarnished? and who, in not a few debates, seems to wander?
Grenville you tend to look through a lens narrowly.
I look, but I do a broadband recon BECAUSE ONE HAS TO SEE THE LAY OF THE LAND.
Ironically you and other men of limited vision would set my suggestions to the PdP as “throwing Joseph under the bus”
I had suggested the same thing to someone about you and No Solutions Barbados.
You Grenville Phillips, like Joseph Atherley and JEREMY Corbyn DO NOT HAVE CHARISMA.
People and voters are attracted to a candidate FIRST! Then, simply because
he is the representative of a party, with which they identify, they then concatenate the two, the guy they like WITH THE PARTY they think will deliver what
is best for them.This is why WALTER BLACKMAN FAILED!
People like Walter BUT HE CHOSE THE DLP! AND HAD TO BE STOPPED BECAUSE OF THAT!
So Grenville, Caswell is the charismatic leader THAT YOU ARE NOT and will be followed, not because of any marketing ploy, OR BECAUSE HE IS A REVEREND OR WANNABEE POLITICIAN LIKE YOU but because of the confidence Caswell inspires.
The fact is that supporters are enveloped by the charisma of the warrior, the star boy, the Bruce Lee by virtue of their personal, unique defining merits.
Merits which you Grenville, nor Atherley NOR Jeremy Corbyn have!!
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Caswell is the charismatic leader….
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Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Miller
Understand your point.
Answer if the Scottish people are bent on remaining- separation even- why did they deliver so many Conservative seats?
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What Corbyn leadership what! It is all about Brexit! Look at Putney in London for instance, former Tory seat flipped to Labour. The traditional Labour voters in the North and Midlands who think Brexit is the 2nd coming of Christ and voted Tory are in for a rude awakening.
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What are you saying enuff, you suggesting Boris will pivot?
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A few add-ons!
Most of the working class voters who decided this election by abandoning the Labour Party don’t pay much attention to social media….Yet middle class election commentators talk endlessly about the influence of social media.
The term social media is accepted as referring to the various forms of electronic data distribution/sharing and surely the average 60 year plus senior does not interface to social media often, readily and sometimes never….However, that does NOT mean that they are not heavily exposed to or readily consuming the political messaging .
I cannot speak to the UK but based on the dynamics of the US that average conservative senior drinks in the political rhetoric via the other powerful social platforms: their religious leadership, the dominant conservative TV shows and the uber-powerful conservative radio hosts.
When we speak of political social media and seniors let’s clear our heads of limiting semantics.
@Miller…”Now that the majority of the “English” people, especially the northerners, have gotten their wish of Brexit (at any cost) as expressed in the 2016 referendum would you be as vehemently supportive of their more northerly neighbours in their call for another referendum to decide their future as part of the Union?”
I agree wid dat. Let those who want no part of the supposed hanger-ons now give the Scots and Irish the same ability to ride free.
It’s absolutely amazing to read punditry that accords a nation which for centuries rode its dominance over other ‘independent’ countries in its empire this absolution to cut off ‘hangers ons…as if these folks now accused of hanging on (their ancestors) did not help build England’s supremacy.
Immigration and multiculturalism does NOT have easy remedies in this heightened terrorism fueled world and to attempt to squeeze it into tweet size catch phrases is not my intent; similarly its ridiculous that Brits perceive that they can get it EASY with a divorce from Europe.
You are on to something with an India – England nexus (much more vast market than US with oodles of potential development tech power)….not sure bout the Pakistan addon tho!
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The racists are all gleeful about the Boris election: Trump is gleeful, Farage is gleeful, John is gleeful…
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@ John December 13, 2019 9:56 AM
Come the end January 2020, you will also see if his darkened days of hypocrisy have also come to an abrupt and deserving end when he is removed like an excessively greedy pig from the trough of freeness in Strasbourg.
We shall see if he would do like any decent ‘English’ man and give up his political life of Riley by submitting his immediate resignation as an MEP having been abusing his tenure of deceit since 1999.
Or will he, in true Brexit style, hang on until the very last minute to be exposed and thrown out head first for the abuse of parliamentary privileges and expenses account.
His hands are dirty to the racist bone and its time he is thrown into the dustbin of history.
“A man has to live with himself, and he should see to it that he always has good company.” ~Charles Evans Hughes
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@ David December 13, 2019 11:01 AM
“Answer if the Scottish people are bent on remaining- separation even- why did they deliver so many Conservative seats?”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Maybe to spite Labour via Corbyn for dithering and sitting on the Brexit fence.
Its call cutting off your Scottish labour nose to spite your British Labour face.Corbyn knows full well that Brexit is bad for British workers and depressed working class communities.
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@ SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife December 13, 2019 7:48 AM
Maurice Mounsdon: One of final living Battle Of Britain pilots dies aged 101
Flight Lieutenant Maurice Mounsdon was one of 3,000 men who defended the country from the Luftwaffe.
Monday 9 December 2019 19:30, UK Daily Mail onlineYou have made sweeping statements. There are others still a live in the UK You would never make a good research scientist.
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This is American democracy and those of you who are familiar with it know that in America, democracy is hypocrisy. Now if I’m wrong, put me in jail, but if you can’t prove that democracy is not hypocrisy then don’t put your hands on me. Democracy is hypocrisy. If democracy means freedom why aren’t our people free? If democracy means justice why don’t we have justice? If democracy means equality then why don’t we have equality?
Malcolm X – Democracy is Hypocrisy
I really wish we would stop calling the Westminster system, and its various versions, democracy. It’s not. Even if you take the rough definition of the term to mean government of the people, by the people and for the people, can anyone really claim that the Westminster system operates in this way? Are the governments in this system made up of ordinary working people or millionaires and other money bags? Can the people govern by controlling the actions taken in their name by these said governments or is their only decision making power during the election and doesn’t that power disappear until the next election, once that x is marked? Bear in mind that working people have, at great sacrifice, imposed universal sugffrage on this system. Does this system really work for the people, ensuring that their basic needs such as a job, a house, health care, transport, pension and education are met for all? Please call this system by another name but leave democracy out of it.
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@White, LIFE itself is a hypocrisy of actions so whatever name you give it or its governing processes what difference does it make!
Malcolm is also credited with the axiom ” By any means necessary” although the concept was long famous before he became a ‘viral sensation’ on T’shirts moons ago.
If life is not OUR self perpetuated hypocrisy then why do we enslave ourselves as we do to the self serving politicians, ridiculous entertainment figures and worst! … And don’t we yoke ourselves into inequality by poking at each other based on class and shade of our skin!
There is nothing wrong with so called American democracy or the Westminster style of governance…money and a strong collective force always equates to power and politics is all about harnessing power thus those with the most money and strongest coalitions will invarabily dominate those power levers.
Those without the wealth must gain the collective force to enable their power. So yes many governments still are made up of average working people.
And as far as I see, in the main, the systems do work to provide jobs, housing, health care etc…. nothing in life is perfect!
Understanding all this …in life and in politics is easy…. Achieving it is hard but that certainly can never make the entire exercise null and void!
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“Does this system really work for the people, ensuring that their basic needs such as a job, a house, health care, transport, pension and education are met for all?”
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Why not add to the mix that even in a communist system the power and wealth is controlled by those at the pinnacle of the demographic. A system mind you that was designed to spread the wealth. What is said about man made contructs you know well.
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peterlawrencethompson
December 13, 2019 11:12 AMThe racists are all gleeful about the Boris election: Trump is gleeful, Farage is gleeful, John is gleeful…
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Oh poor baby!!!
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PLT
has the same explanation for all election results in the UK and USA that he disagrees with.
“They’re racists”.
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@Ewart Archer
Nope, just Donald and Boris. All the serious academic research has proven me correct about Donald in 2016… we will wait on serious social scientists to gather the data and analyse the Boris 2019 results.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/14/trump-and-racism-what-do-the-data-say/ -
The social science data suggests you are WRONG about The Donald.
In 2016, some key swing states were lost to the Democrats because Obama voters in the Midwest switched to Trump. Many of these voters were angry over de-industrialization caused primarily by free trade agreements. (NOTE: CAUSED PRIMARILY BY FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, NOT PRIMARILY BY AUTOMATION. THE LATEST ACADEMIC PAPERS IN THE ECONOMICS LITERATURE SHOULD BE REVIEWED)
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David you made the point earlier that “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
That says it as well as anything else. There is nothing that has happened since my teenage years when as 5th n 6th formers we debated governance and the same bogey man arguments were made re socialism, democracy, communism etc.
Back then I was perplexed that the same self serving meism of communist rulers was deeply rooted in the thing we called democracy…and just as with communism or socialism, democracy fooled us into believing that the voice of the people actually was paramount.
These 40 plus years on the game is much more transparent to me to see how thy all fool us about that people power…so yes I can more readily appreciate that Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.
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@PLT
What about your old home? Quebec’s Bill 21? Not ONE of the federal party leaders would publicly challenge it. The endorser, the BLOC leader, was the winner. His newly earned 30 seats, ensured a minority government. And has spurred Wexit. -
Never heard of WEXIT!!
Is it a racist too?
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Seems as though people are convinced Labour leader Corbyn is a racist!!
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@John
Wexit is the threatened separation by the Western provinces of Alberta/Sask. -
@ John
Are you Quaker John?
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@NO
Yours @2.58 pm
Isn’t Quebec following the lead of its spiritual and ancestral home France?
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@ fellow CanBajans,
Quebec always threaten to leave so as to get bigger transfer payments from the Federal government.
The Westerners will use the same tactic to get what they want.
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@Sarge
I have never figured out exactly whose lead, if any, they follow. As @Hants points out, they certainly understand how to gain monetary benefit. If one told a foreigner the largest recipient of federal to province equalization payments, to a “have not” province is Quebec, they wouldn’t believe you. Does France have an equal to 21? -
What frustrates me is our lack of vision and originality. We are hobbling along with a decrepit political system that Englishmen came up with in the 17th century in England to solve the problems of political power in that country at that time. There was nothing universal about that system and it only spread around the world as a result of Brtain’s colonial enslavement of most of the human race. Yet even though we can see it doesn’t work in our country, we try to justify it with nonsensical statements from racist colonialists like Winston Churchill. How do you know it’s the least worst system of governance if you’ve never taken the time to research other types?
Recently, I have spent a lot of time researching traditional African democratic systems of governance. For clarity, I’m not suggesting that all African societies used such systems nor am I presenting them as a panacea. What I’m sayng is that adopting and modernising the principles that underpinned these inclusive political systems can open the door to creating something new that works for us. For example, at the heart of the Westminster system is the idea of conflict – government vs opppostion and the winner takes all (the first past the post voting system). At the heart of many of the African democratic systems is the concept of compromise and consensus building. They recognise that people having the same interests can often have different perceptions of these interests but they consider that rational discussion can be the key to making people aware of these common interests. The main thing about these systems is that their focus was on the well being of all the members of society. Today, in the Westminster system, politicians are marketed like any other commodity and people understand that most of their promises are nothing but lies, to be broken as soon as they get their hands on power.
The Englishmen who created the Westminster system in 17th century England each had one brain. We also have a brain each and there’s no reason why we can’t use it to create a more just and democratic society. We just need to be able to think outside the Eurocentric colonial box and visualise a different future.
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Hal Austin
December 13, 2019 3:25 PM@ John
Are you Quaker John?++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have only met two Quakers in Barbados years ago and did not even know they were Quaker!!
Husband and wife, “black” and “white”.
I have heard of a third who worked at the British High Commission but heard he had left.
These are the only 3 I knew of and that was a while ago, before I discovered the Quaker connection to Barbados in the 17th century.
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@NO
France has a law banning the use of religious symbols in the country’s public spaces e.g. schools and Gov’t offices, Quebec has followed in its footsteps.
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s/b the wearing of religious symbols
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Tee White
went through his entire childhood and somehow grew up to be a functioning adult without realizing that “democracy”, “equality”, “social justice”, etc. are utopian fantasies.
The human animal is a predator. Think carefully about what that means. Then read a book on biological psychology.
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@Tee White
Have a watch of this presentation.
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@ Ewart Archer December 13, 2019 5:02 PM
“The human animal is a predator. Think carefully about what that means. Then read a book on biological psychology.”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=You are ‘climbing up’ the right tree of life.
There is little if any (say 3 % at the most) ‘bio-psychological’ difference between the “human animal” and our closest evolutionary relative the ape.
What little difference there is between the human ‘naked’ apes and their hairy cousins the bonobo is one of Art which offers the human animal the option to be imaginatively creative in changing their physical environment.
Why couldn’t you recommend Desmond Morris for a good read or even Jane Goodall who documented the only difference between a male chimpanzee and a human male is one of penile size which really matters among humans.
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Boris is a Russian stooge!!!
So says Hilary Clinton.
Must be the name!!
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Piece aka Judas, aka Traitor.
Was not John Major one of the most boring, uninspiring, and uncharismatic UK politicians? Yet, he led the Conservatives to a historic win.
Who was more charismatic, O. Arthur or F. Stuart? Who won the 2013 general election? Was it not the less charismatic Stuart?
Do you not see how your analysis is flawed?
Who voters choose can be as unpredictable as a falling leaf. A mature electorate should value competence over charisma. However, even that cannot predict an election result.
Candidates should simply do their best and let the voters decide. Your decision to turn on Atherley is certainly not doing your best. Your decision to betray him so soon after going cap-in-hand to join him, is pathetic.
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@ Miller December 13, 2019 9:17 AM
Don’t write off the British. Some of the greatest scientific inventions and discoveries have been made by the British even after the collapse of the empire: eg. the structure of DNA For example Fred Sanger:In 1958, was awarded a Nobel Prize in Chemistry “for his work on the structure of proteins, especially that of insulin”. In 1980, Walter Gilbert and Sanger shared half of the chemistry prize “for their contributions concerning the determination of base sequences in nucleic acids”. The other half was awarded to Paul Berg “for his fundamental studies of the biochemistry of nucleic acids, with particular regard to recombinant DNA”.Sir Alec John Jeffreys British geneticist, who developed techniques for genetic fingerprinting and DNA profiling which are now used worldwide in forensic science to assist police detective work and to resolve paternity and immigration disputes . British scientists are world renown so don’t write them off.. Blacks should try to emulate their examples.
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@ robert lucas December 13, 2019 6:01 PM
Dr. Lucas you are speaking about a bygone era which saw the halcyon days of great ‘British’ scientific inventions and advancements.
How about mentioning Charles Darwin too? What about the great Scottish engineering investors?
The modern major challenge to science in Britain is that is restrained by a world of political correctness instead of being facilitated by a regime of serendipitous experimentation.
The “Little Britain” of the future will be fashioned by the dictates of Islam, the fastest growing cultural influence in the UK.
Modern-day Islam does not make provisions for experimentation and challenge.
What we are dealing with, in such a religion-driven environment is no different from what the likes of Galileo encountered.
As for blacks and science, well, there will always that great divide never to be bridged as long as those naïve fools, generally speaking, continue to take the Adam & Eve fable as the ‘scientific’ gospel.
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@Ewart Archer December 13, 2019 5:02 PM “The human animal is a predator.”
Says our Ewart, as though he knows and speaks absolute truth.
Even predators typically do not prey on their own kind [lions prey on gazelles] so why should humans prey on other humans?
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@Sarge
then I guess Que has copied the motherland…Vive la France, Vive le Québec libre!! -
@ SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife December 13, 2019 6:34 PM
“Even predators typically do not prey on their own kind [lions prey on gazelles] so why should humans prey on other humans?”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++So why would you want to promote the castration young human males (boy children) to reduce the potential predatory aggression in them?
Don’t aggressively perverted human males sexually prey on females aka rape?
Are you recommending that these highly strung human males, from an early age, turn to the female of other species (especially those ‘birds’ of the backyard variety) to prey on?
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@ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for The Bedroom Policeman
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@Miller December 13, 2019 7:49 PM “So why would you want to promote the castration young human males (boy children) to reduce the potential predatory aggression in them?”
Why don’t you stop telling lies on me?
Stupse!!!
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@Miller December 13, 2019 7:49 PM “Don’t aggressively perverted human males sexually prey on females aka rape?”
Do most men rape? NO.
Rape is widely regarded as aberrant behaviour is it not?
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@ SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife December 13, 2019 8:16 PM
Are you Simple Simone(e) denying that you have promoted on the BU forum the castration of young males in order to cut in the bud their predisposition towards violence including that against the human female?
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@ the People’s Party for Democracy and Development
Here is anx excerpt for your review and assimilation
“…Speaking outside No 10, Mr Johnson thanked lifelong Labour supporters who deserted Jeremy Corbyn’s party and turned to the Conservatives, saying he would fulfil his pledge to take the UK out of the EU on 31 January.
“I say thank you for the trust you have placed in us and in me and we will work round the clock to repay your trust and to deliver on your priorities with a Parliament that works for you”.
Boris, even though a man pilloried for his looks and non connectedness with the common man, was able to convert his external appearance to votes.
Observe the subtle images that the Minister of Disinformation ALWAYS POSTS HERE FOR MUGABE and juxtapose them against those for Grenville Phillips aka Bedroom Policeman aka Iso TALIBAN!!
De chosen pictures got Grenville Phillips looking like Snuffleuffagus!
Granted no one is responsible for their looks but…
Continuing on with my PdP message.
The key messages for you in the PdP has to be those that resonate with Bajans.
You have to identify AND FOCUS ON bajan priorities.
Work, not underemployment, but paying work.
So you have to create job opportunities for the common man WHILE YOU SATISFY THE LECHEROUS CORPORATE SECTOR.
Cost of living.
You have to create the environment that makes it possible for places like Popular supermarket to ply their business AND FLOURISH!
How come Betram Hall can keep his food prices at 1/3 of the rest of these highway robbery supermarkets.
So wunna gots to incentivise The Bertram Hall’s in all sectors.
This translates into savings, improvements in the Cost of Living AND VOTES!
Wunna understanding de ole man?
And all did got to be printed in wunna new AND ENHANCED manifesto
Learn from this Boris Johnson exercise AND DO WHAT DE OLE MAN TELLING WUNNAH TO DO!!!
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I was did post this for the Bedroom Policeman Grenville Phillips earlier but…
@ Grenville Phillips aka Bedroom Policeman aka Iso TALIBAN
Your comprehension skills are minimal AS WE HAVE ALL NOTED WITH YOUR WEBSITE THAT HAS NOT CHANGED ONCE IN 4 YEARS!
Piece the Legend GOES TO NO MAN, OF WOMAN BORN, OR UNTIMELY RIPPED FROM WOMAN’S WOMB, cap in hand!
I and instructed to show people what I “see” and if you follow it you will win.
John Q says and I quote
“…Seems as though people are convinced Labour leader Corbyn is a racist!!…”
Let me explain this to your simpleton self because you have a serious learning impairment problem
The issues that Corbyn faced are myriad BUT THE POINT I’M TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOUR IGNORANT SELF is that you are NOT JOHN MAJORS or anyone who operates in a country such as those you mentioned.
YOU HAVE THE ENGAGEMENT PERSONALITY OF A BADLY STUFFED AND MOUNTED SKUNK!
Now, please dont get me wrong Grenville, no one makes themselves but, this is just the luck of the draw.
I have made these pronouncements to the PdP
1.The Reverend Joseph Atherley, a man whose personality excites no fervour at the ballot box, is perceived to be a Mugabe Mottley plant BECAUSE OF THE WELL KNOWN 30-0 BEATING THE DLP GOT
2.In the eyes of most bajans who will be voting THEY DO NOT WANT A PLANT
3.If Joseph Artherley wishes to give the PdP a fighting chance HE WOULD ORCHESTRATE HIS EXIT FROM THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PdP exactly as Piece the Legend is saying this
4.There is no shame to follow my pronouncements JUST GAIN.
My sole objective here is the promotion of a different ethos here
COMPETENCIES AS THE PREREQUISITES FOR APPOINTMENT IN THE HoA.
You have neither of these! CHARISMA NOR COMPETENCY! and have permanently become the barb of political jokes AS THE WANNABEE POLITICIAN WHO WANTS TO SEND POLICEMEN IN BAJANS’ BEDROOMS TO SEE WHAT SEX POSITIONS THEY ARE BORROWING FROM THE INTERNET!
Why you doan lef de ole man, and ole fart, and aluminium foil wearer and myope and apostate and Judas alone nuh?
You ent notice I doan read nuffin you write heah pun BU? Ask de Blogmaster effin I lying.
Looka how de Blogmaster does publish you pretend sermons and BS blogs, but does stifle mine heheheheh
CHARISMA and Competence have you none …
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@ Miller December 13, 2019 6:25 PM
I am not speaking of a bygone era. Some of the best scientists in the world come from the UK. You seem to have forgotten Dolly the sheep and test-tube babies. There is also the case of the catapult on aircraft carriers, the hover craft. The vertical take off Harrier jet, The jet engine. The ATM machine. Radar, the worldwide web. The discovery of pulsars and the big bang theory as well as radio astronomy and antibiotics. Ph.D in the sciences from Britain are snapped up by the USA. Lots of American Nobel prize winners have British connection. The point being made here is that they can do it again.
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@Blogmaster
what an interesting TED video. Thx -
Sir Simple Simon
Re: “even predators do not prey on their own kind”I have previously made the point on this blog that most West Indians are narrowly educated (a terrible fault of the British system we inherited). I’ve been particularly criticized for saying that lawyers with three years of post-secondary education are ill-suited to the roles in government that so many of them occupy, because they lack familiarity with the basic subject matter of economics, management, finance, sociology, psychology, information technology, engineering, etc, etc,. In fact, their “general knowledge” is so limited in so many cases that they must be bewildered by the complexity of the modern world.
I bring up this issue again because Sir Simple Simon (I am not saying she is a lawyer, but…) just informed me that animal predators do not attack their own kind. A North American child of six would know better.
The blogmaster invites you to join the discussion.