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  • If the exit poll rings true this will be a sound rejection of Jeremy Corbyn as a leader.

    If Conservatives brings home the votes predicted yes Brexit looms large.

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  • Thank heavens for the common sense of those who voted! Every time I see a picture of Corbyn I see horns growing out of his head. Free this and free that he promised, well the only thing free in this world is the rain, snow and the sun that comes up and goes down every day. SOME HAS TO PAY FOR THE FREENESSES,

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  • Let’s see the results first!!

    Exit Polls predicted Hilary would win.

    I don’t trust any poll!

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  • Would be of interest to hear Pachamma views

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    I am thoroughly disgusted with the English electorate. I hereby renounce my British passport and citizenship.

    The only upside is the prospect of Scottish independence and a unified Ireland.

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  • PLT:

    Hal had his finger on the pulse of the British electorate, and confidently predicted otherwise. Therefore, you need to wait for the formal result.

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  • @ David December 12, 2019 6:39 PM

    I have tuned into the BBC. It looks as though Boris may or may not win his seat ,

    @ Hal
    The Tories seem to have won.

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  • @peterlawrencethompson December 12, 2019 8:00 PM

    The only upside is the prospect of Scottish independence and a unified Ireland.

    I am not sure what the Irish will do, but a move for independence by the SNP is guaranteed.

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  • The SNP can try but depending on the size of the majority of the Conservatives it will be a challenge.

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  • UXBRIDGE

    B. Johnson – 25,351
    A. Milani – 18,141
    J. Humphreys – 3,026
    M. Keir – 1,096

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @PLT why such a comment ?

    I have only haphazardly follow the election campaign but generally it seemed tough for Corbyn to pull this out…moreso a decision HAS to be made re Brexit and for all practical purposes it seemed incredlous to perceive that a new referendum to overturn was viable or practical.

    Based on the early results one can look past any exit polling projections and extrapolate from actual results…where some Labor strongholds have been decimated.

    I await the local pundits like Hal n Miller to really dissect this lambasting.

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  • Looks like Boris but we still have to wait and see.

    I am no pundit but predicting this was as easy as predicting Trump would win!!

    Trump vs Hilary

    Boris vs Corbin or is it Corbyn

    A no brainer, two lunatics in the Bajan sense vs two complete jokers in the universal sense.

    But, still a ways to go.

    I could be wrong but I doubt it.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    The issue was BREXIT. Did Corbyn give any clear indication where he stood on the issue? If he did ,I missed it. And so did the rest of the Brittish Electorate.

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  • Vincent Codrington
    December 13, 2019 12:15 AM

    The issue was BREXIT. Did Corbyn give any clear indication where he stood on the issue? If he did ,I missed it. And so did the rest of the Brittish Electorate.

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    Boris sure did.

    Corbyn the joker went about changing the law to thwart Boris … the lunatic!!

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  • Corbyn, apart from being a joker was also a spoiler!!

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  • Trump would say, loser.

    I have no knowledge of the political situation in the UK but the likely result telegraphed itself months ago.

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  • Corbyn had some good ideas, unfortunately he never decided whether or not he wanted Brexit.

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster

    You said AND I QUOTE

    “…If the exit poll rings true this will be a sound rejection of Jeremy Corbyn as a leader….”

    Sometimes, even in the midst of your blind loyalty to Mugabe, you speak a truth.

    As an example for ALL TO SEE, SPECIFICALLY THE PEOPLE’s DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR DEMOCRACY AND DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU DO NOT CHAMPION A LEADER THAT THE PEOPLE CAN IDENTIFY WITH, you will lose.

    Corbyn WAS NOT LIKED and his non likeability IN ADDITION TO HIS UNKNOWN STANCE ON BREXIT complexioned why he lost

    But then again we need to look towards Daniel 7 and “the 10 toes of the EU”

    De ole man, because Barbados Underground has refused to publish my recent submissions

    1.the one about Pornville
    2.and 2 others for the PdP

    will use this non consequential article where the Honourable Blogmaster CAN EXPECT TO DISTRACT & OBSCURATE bajans with the UK issues TO HIGHLIGHT the similarities in the Failed Corbyn campaign WITH THAT OF THE PdP at 2019.

    I know I can expect the BU BORG to keep de ole man submissions in suspense cause…..dat is his job AS MINISTER OF DISINFORMATION

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  • And, if only to prove what I have said about DISTRACTION, what the Honourable Blogmaster is promoting is NON NAVEL GAZING heheheheh, look at the voting responses of Scotland!

    The Scots who are now a displaced country, see Brexit as a Death Knoll for them!

    De ole man compares the Scots as those bajans who see that Mugabe Mottley is carving up Barbados INTO LITTLE PIECES, socially, politically and economically

    They see Mugabe as forcing a Bajan Brexit down their throats where

    1.the country has left its ethics behind and nepotism rules AND THE CONSTITUTION IS CHANGED ON A WHIM

    2.the social fabric of Barbados has been and continues to be destroyed as Mugabe brings her drug dealer friends to Parliament WHILE CREATING COCAINE ENCLAVES WHERE THEY CAN STORE COCAINE under the guise of growing Medical Marijuana

    3.recreating segregation zones WHILE PROMOTING THIS BRIDGETOWN REGENERATION MADNESS where all bajans, like those in Nelson Street and Baxters Road will be ultimately displaced by THE MUGABE REGIME VERSION OF “NO-GO” ZONES

    4.where DEATH AS A CONSEQUENCE OF HER IGNORING HER DRUG DEALER FRIENDS has Barbados in this 53 death purgatory

    But, there is hope for these quiet sojourners

    AND THST HOPE COMES WHEN THE PDP GETS IT ACT TOGETHER and replaces its leader from the perceived MUGABE PLANT, Reverend Joseph Atherley TO SENATOR CASWELL FRANKLYN!

    In the similar way that LABOUR IS NOW REMOVING JEREMY CORBYN!!!

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  • To those who view the election result as finally resolving the Brexit issue it is early days yet. The UK is still a country split down the centre. Brexit was a wedge issue commingled with Corbyn’s lack of leadership. Boris understands communication and he used public appearances, cliches etc to send his messages. Even on this blog some of the older folk underestimate the power of social media and crafting pertinent concise messages that resonate with the targets.

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  • The democratic will of the people has now been met. The ruling elite forgot you can lead if no one wants to follow. The elite felt that the people were idiots. These same idiots fought and gave their lives in WW2.. The situation is similar with Trump. The elite figure Trump has no right to be president. The farce of an impeachment tells it all.

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster

    You point about crafting a pertinent message for one’s audience is spot on.

    And while the substantive topic is Brexit de ole man is going to focus on what it means in Barbados more than the UK.

    So my articles will alternate between the PdP and what WILL HAPPEN TO OIR TOURISM ARRIVALS post Brexit

    de ole man recognizes de PdP has an uphill battle AND HOPES THEY USE THE EXPERIENCE OF JEREMY CORBYN to pick sense from common sense.

    it IS NOT GOING to be sufficient for the PdP to have good points.

    in fact, the mere fact that their existence IS BEING PARODIED BY MUGABE underscores the fact that she recognizes that she HAS TO do everything in her power to discredit the PdP before they get a foothold in the minds of Bajans.

    The PdP cannot rest its strategy on just agitation AND BEING SEEN AS A PROTEST VOTE like Jeremy Corbyn IT HAS TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE PRINCIPLES AND A PATHWAY to social and economic recovery THAT INCLUDES ALL BAJANS!

    We understand how part of their strategy will be to highlight the plethora of faults of the BLP, they dont need to mention the dead DLP.

    But it is critical that they set themselves apart from all other parties that continue apace to betray the trust of the Bajan people.

    Already, their existence AND SUPPORT FOR THIS EXISTENCE, is being notices and the BLP and No Solutions Barbados has started a joint campaign against their new competitors calling their leader a political Judas and have join forces to discredit them.

    It is partially for this reason de ole man I’d telling Reverend Joseph Atherley to step down but it also is based on the X factor that people call charisma, WHICH CASWELL FRANKLYN HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF, AND JOE HAS NONE!

    Now please, I am asking the PdP leadership, do not get de ole man wrong!

    These comments ARE NOT PERSONAL, de ole man is being pragmatic

    You need to find A Point of Affinity with the Voting & Non Voting Populace if you are to win.

    now, do not tek de ole man’s words as gospel, conduct some test sessions and determine if what de ole man is saying is true!

    Gauge my insights with the actuality of voter surveys where you conduct sessions and evaluate WHETHER PEOPLE IDENTIFY WITH JOE OR CASWELL!

    And wunna going see that de ole man is right AND BECAUSE I AM RIGHT, JEREMY CORBYN LOST, and the PdP IF YOU PUT JOSEPH ATHERLEY OUT FRONT, will lose too!

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  • Who is credited with the following?

    Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

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  • @ Robert Lucas

    I have replied to your post to me, but some bone-headed idiot has removed it (and yours) from the Open for Business blog. I do not want to prolong any discussion about Boris Johnson and Brexit, as I have stated.

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  • We are already hearing the familiar nonsense that BoJo won because his social media messaging was better than that of the Labour Party.

    This result had very little to do with social media messaging. The Conservative vote hardly increased.

    The Labour Party vote, on the other hand, collapsed by more than 10% in many constituencies, particularly those in the north of England where blue collar Brits who voted for Brexit in the referendum were ignored by many of their foolish Labour MPs, who continue to affirm their allegiance to the EU and globalism.

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  • SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife

    @robert lucas December 13, 2019 6:25 AM “The democratic will of the people has now been met. The ruling elite forgot you can lead if no one wants to follow. The elite felt that the people were idiots. These same idiots fought and gave their lives in WW2.”

    People who died in the Second European War did NOT vote in yesterday’s British election, because those idiots have been dead for more than 70 years and so many died so young that they did not leave any children nor grand children behind.

    The people who voted against their own best interest in yesterday’s British election ARE IDIOTS. Just now the conservative party will squeeze their testes…which is exactly what they deserve.

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  • SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife

    @Piece at 6:43 a.m. “the X factor that people call charismaCASWELL FRANKLYN HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF…”

    Maybe this is so for ole menses. But have you asked the rest ‘o we?

    ,@Piece at 6:43 a.m. “AND JOE HAS NONE!”

    True. Much too religious for my taste. I don’t like religious men, that’s the truth.

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  • Sir Simple Simon

    “The people who voted against their own best interest …”

    How arrogant can you be? You take it upon yourself to decide what the best interests of “these people” are?

    “These people” are British nationalists. YOU don’t like nationalism. So all you can reasonably say is that “these people” voted against YOUR interests.

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  • Piece:

    Why are you trying to bring Solutions Barbados into your nonsense?

    Atherley is not a Judas. He promised the public of Barbados that his aim as Opposition leader was to support the BLP’s policies. Both he, and his senators, consistently vote for the BLP’s worst legislative agenda. That is easily verifiable.

    The Integrity in Public Life bill is a joke. Solutions Barbados appeared at the joint select committee to publicly identify the worst parts of it, where it essentially legalized bribery. Only one senator opposed us.

    Guess who that was Piece? None other than Caswell – a man of high integrity, but you seem to be having a very very bad effect on him.

    It certainly did not take you very long to start a mutiny and turn on Atherley. Would not that make you the Judas of the pdp?

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  • SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife

    I am not at all arrogant. I don’t have any interest in British politics. .Nothing to win, nothing to lose. I’ve never lived in the U.K. I rarely visit. The British did their thing. It is their country, not mine. They, not me, will live with the results.

    I have a sister who has long lived in the U.K. I love her very, very much. so much that she can have one of my kidneys at any time if she needs it. She voted Brexit too. I still love her. We will still dine together when she visits. But ‘yes” she voted against her own best interest.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Blogmaster, of necessity you should discuss properly your much too summarized remarks above. What do mean when you say:

    To those who view the election result as finally resolving the Brexit issue it is early days yet.
    Early days of what? To see the nation revert to another round of inter-citizen fighting…a US style civil war even!

    *** The UK is still a country split down the centre.*** ….. Of course it is but wasn’t the US also effectively similarly split with 48% and 46% of the popular vote count. That’s what elections invarabily send up: a divided country.

    Brexit was a wedge issue commingled with Corbyn’s lack of leadership. ….. Brexit is the most consequential issue (bluntly and obtusely stated it’s the disavowal of and final acquiescence that “the sun has set on the once vast empire and her boundaries are quite narrowly to be ascertained.’

    What exactly does Corbyn’s supposed lack of leadership (whatever that actually means) has to do with this defeat considering his party could NOT defeat May either and he retained his top role?

    *** Boris understands communication and he used public appearances, cliches etc to send his messages.***
    And what then did he do so differently to May that saw him to the victory at which she failed just a few years back!… Is his Brexit plan more complete; are his Irish protocols so much better…

    Clearly we all realize this is a monster election for Brits (and us) but as in US it’s impossible to slot it into cliched slots (like the ruling elite trope).

    ****Even on this blog some of the older folk underestimate the power of social media and crafting pertinent concise messages that resonate with the targets.*** … This is a general item but pertinent too for deeper debate…one day entire blogs even.

    What do we ever mean by the power of concise social media messaging that resonates!

    It has ALWAYS been the case that catchy, concise messaging carried the day…Churchill and his booming oratory with apt ‘sound bites’ carried that day…on the flip sides so to Goebbles crafty disinformation; Kennedy’s messaging was sharp, so too Reagan’s; political fans remember pre social media “read my lips, no new taxes’…that was catchy, concise and powerful, in victory and then when it bit sharply in defeat !

    And then folks like Clinton, Bush 43 and supremely so Obama all messaged well…

    Oh and BTW circa 64 BC pre, pre, pre, pre …this overpowering electronic age a Cicero is reported to have counselled his brother politician to: “Be sure to put on a good show” and “You must always think of publicity, it is vital that you use all of your assets to spread the word about your campaign to the widest possible audience”. … Timeless political advice…. yes!

    Now thanks to social media the sharp, targetted messaging is a dangerously direct one-to-one appeal that magnifies DISINFORMATION to unsustainable levels of gravest danger. Political social messaging will be the bane of democracies… no wonder the Putin and Erdoğan types of politics control it so agressively!

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  • Most of the working class voters who decided this election by abandoning the Labour Party don’t pay much attention to social media.

    Yet middle class election commentators talk endlessly about the influence of social media.

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  • @Dee Word

    Time does not always allow to read and spell. Corbyn was not able to lead his team to victory because he waffled in the issue of Brexit. We live in time where the leader who communicates effectively and appears as charismatic will win over the dour boring sort. Look at the USA Trump vs Biden and see what happens.

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  • Don’t worry, the pendulum will swing back left once there is money to be wasted/spent.

    Boris will lose his appeal and some charismatic labour leader will appear with policies that make ever so much sense, for the time!!.

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  • @Dee Word

    The blogmaster is offering an opinion like all others here. Let us agree BREXIT was at the heart of Labour problems with third party factor, demographics, youth vote, lack of leadership etc.

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  • BREXIT promises Britons the unknown, the possibility of hitting it big on their own without having to finance a whole set of parasites and hangers on in Brussels… dam foreigners, frogs, boche if you like.

    People like the unknown and the leaders who show they can “chart a path” will be followed.

    Doesn’t mean they will be successful.

    If they aren’t the people will look elsewhere because besides liking the unknown, people are by nature, fickle.

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  • @ Angela Simpson
    As I’m sure you know in life nothing is free, maybe apart from the air we breathe. Social programs to meet the needs of working people are not free. The cost of them comes out of the wealth created by workers. This is exactly the same place that the profits of the capitalists come from and the interest paid to the moneylenders. Do you think of shareholder dividends as freeness? The issue here is what happens to society’s wealth which is created by workers. Do the working people get first claim on it to meet their needs or do the capitalists? Depending on how you answer that question, you will know whose side you’re on.

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  • @ Ewart Archer December 13, 2019 7:57 AM
    “These people” are British nationalists. YOU don’t like nationalism. So all you can reasonably say is that “these people” voted against YOUR interests.
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    Now that the majority of the “English” people, especially the northerners, have gotten their wish of Brexit (at any cost) as expressed in the 2016 referendum would you be as vehemently supportive of their more northerly neighbours in their call for another referendum to decide their future as part of the Union?

    Would you be prepared to support any Scottish nationalist call for a vote on Scotland’s independence since the ‘majority’ of Scots are also “non-Brexiteers”?

    Just remember what is good for the English nationalist ‘brexit-flying’ geese is just as good for the ‘independently-swimming’ Scottish sturgeon or even a pervert for a salmon(d).

    Why not be a Bonny Prince Charlie Ewart Archer and vote “Yes” before undermining the Treaty of Rome?

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  • @Ewart Archer

    you are spot on.

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  • Hal Austin
    December 13, 2019 4:30 AM

    @ John A
    That Boris victory makes me feel sick in the stomach. But it is not surprising. All those working class northerners, including ex miners, are so driven by the idea of foreigners telling them what they do they prefer to elect a charlatan, a snake oil charmer, as prime minister.
    Boris has been so successful he has wiped out the Brexit party and put paid to Farage. Tells you something.

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    Never found Farage appealing.

    He isn’t in the league with Trump or Boris.

    Could never understand your (and others) fascination with him.

    Seem to remember you being sure Farage would win in past discussions.

    He just never came across to me as possessing that special factor Trump and Boris have.

    Boris and Trump are alleged to have had plenty women.

    Up to yesterday Boris is supposed to have hidden in a fridge to avoid the press.

    I didn’t even read the story I just laughed, Boris went up in my estimation!!

    Corbyn and Farage are just plain downright boring.

    Trump and Boris naturally appeal to the working class even although they would be described as being upper class given their upbringing.

    They just connect with people … for now.

    People who despise the working class despise Trump and Boris for being able to move so comfortably in working class circles.

    More importantly, the press despises them and working people despise the press.

    The more they are attacked the better they are liked by the majority.

    They are viewed by the working class as having taken their licks and have earned the respect of that class who is always on the receiving end.

    Unless something weird happens, Trump will be reelected by a landslide and more than likely, given the performance of the young Republicans in the house during the recent hearings, the Democrats will lose their majority.

    They made it through the rain and found themselves respected by others who got rained on too!!.

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  • There are more people who get rained on than not.

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  • @ John December 13, 2019 8:38 AM
    BREXIT promises Britons the unknown, the possibility of hitting it big on their own without having to finance a whole set of parasites and hangers on in Brussels… dam foreigners, frogs, boche if you like.
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    The once ‘great’ Britain is, today, a Nobody on her own.

    The ‘cheap’ resources and ready-made markets of her former colonies in her former ‘formidable’ empire are no longer available to her long dead industrial czars.

    Like previous powerful European nation states (Rome, Spain, Austria, France), Britain will follow a similar path of impotence and oblivion except for her “English” language- even if most of it has been borrowed from other languages, especially Latin- to become the No.1 lingua franca of the modern age.

    Even little poor-great Barbados which has never severed its navel string is about to leave the British broken-down palace.

    The pretend United Kingdom ought to make use of a bastardized anagram and change its name to “Enginstan” (England, India and Pakistan).

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  • @Miller

    The support SNO received supports their call for separation. The Tories heals steady and will support their argument that the call is not a slam dunk. The conversation will continue.

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  • @ John,
    You do realise that Nigel Farage single-handedly ran a campaign over a number of years to get the UK out of the EU; and that he is the poster boy for a large number of Europeans who are anti-EU.

    To this day he remains a much hated figure amongst the European political elite. And least we forget his presence meant that the Conservative party had to adapt their policies to accommodate this renegade figure.

    I personally do not like the man. But I respect him for his unfailing loyalty to a cause. He stands for something unlike Boris, who will always remain a figure of fun.

    I know that you live in Barbados. It is too far away to understand the nuances of Farage and British politics.

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  • The great UK voted for a figure of fun!

    The phrase of the day.

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  • TLSN
    December 13, 2019 9:34 AM

    @ John,
    You do realise that Nigel Farage single-handedly ran a campaign over a number of years to get the UK out of the EU; and that he is the poster boy for a large number of Europeans who are anti-EU.
    To this day he remains a much hated figure amongst the European political elite. And least we forget his presence meant that the Conservative party had to adapt their policies to accommodate this renegade figure.
    I personally do not like the man. But I respect him for his unfailing loyalty to a cause. He stands for something unlike Boris, who will always remain a figure of fun.
    I know that you live in Barbados. It is too far away to understand the nuances of Farage and British politics.

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    Farage had his day in the sun is what you are saying.

    Always heard he made Brexit happen and was much hated.

    But he is boring!!

    I tried the other day to watch him but just could not do it for more than 5 minutes.

    Rush Limbaugh has me spoilt!!

    I never followed the Brexit vote, I kind of knew Britain’s EU membership would terminate.

    Could never understand why they went in.

    Too much history which I enjoy!!

    I studied in England in the late 70’s and simply loved it.

    Went back in ’85 to an agricultural exhibition at Stoneleigh.

    Loved it.

    It was unrecognizable in 2013 when I next returned and in 2015 I refused an offer of an all expenses paid trip there.

    Hope Boris gets it right.

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  • David
    December 13, 2019 9:41 AM

    The great UK voted for a figure of fun!
    The phrase of the day.

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    The working class loves fun.

    He will just get stronger.

    … thanks no doubt to the press.

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  • Like Trump!!

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  • @ David December 13, 2019 9:32 AM

    Neither was Brexit a slam dunk case. Yet Boris persevered and gave the people living south of the Boarder the opportunity to state their position in the most unequivocally slam dunk way.

    BoJo might have Scottish ancestral blood flowing though his political veins but he does not speak for the ‘large’ majority of the Scottish people when he (in true Bajan style),“pompasettingly” claims that:
    “This election means that getting Brexit done is now the irrefutable, irresistible, unarguable decision of the British people. With this election I think we’ve put an end to all those miserable threats of a second referendum.”

    The people of Scotland do not want a second referendum on Brexit since they have already made it clear where the Conservative Party can take Brexit and stuff it, if not up the rear end of the traitor Cameron.

    What they want is the opportunity to demonstrate, democratically, their electoral true feelings on a matter on which there is a perceived stark agreement.

    The vast majority of Scots want to remain in the EU. The only way to maintain this beneficial relationship is by becoming a separate state outside the ‘British’ Union.

    Why not a vote on Independence the same way Boris gave the southerners another chance to express their wish for Brexit?

    The same way Boris J took the chance and will be ‘trusting’ in the ‘Will’ of his Brexit people, why not trust the intelligence of the ‘fellow’ Scots in the Union?

    Why would Boris J not wish to emulate his idol of a Churchill-like statesman by adhering to the axiomatic proviso that:
    “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others”.

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  • If the writing for Brexit wasn’t on the wall before, it is now. With an increased majority Boris will claim that his path is supported by the electorate the only fly(ies) in the ointment are Scotland and Ireland. Is Nicola a present day Robert the Bruce?

    Britain has always been reluctant about joining the European Common Market (predecessor to the EU) it could be rooted in the years of enmity between France and England and Britain was relegated to a junior partner to France in an EU that it was late coming to the party. Britain famously refused to adopt the Euro and kept Sterling as its official currency. Britain wasn’t exactly thrilled about the open Borders which allowed entry into its country as long as one was cleared to enter a European partner as it felt it infringed on its sovereignty

    So, Britain opts to go the solo route as it has done in the past

    Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves (as in one upon a time)

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  • @ Grenville Phillips aka Bedroom Policeman aka Iso TALIBAN

    de ole man does watch people carefully.

    I watched Jeremy Corbyn and recognised that he became the major “other choice” for the majority of the British Electorate.

    who is the major “other choice” in America contra Donald Trump?

    who have they been grooming? Joe Biden? someone who, with his son’s involvement in the Ukraine, is partially tarnished? and who, in not a few debates, seems to wander?

    Grenville you tend to look through a lens narrowly.

    I look, but I do a broadband recon BECAUSE ONE HAS TO SEE THE LAY OF THE LAND.

    Ironically you and other men of limited vision would set my suggestions to the PdP as “throwing Joseph under the bus”

    I had suggested the same thing to someone about you and No Solutions Barbados.

    You Grenville Phillips, like Joseph Atherley and JEREMY Corbyn DO NOT HAVE CHARISMA.

    People and voters are attracted to a candidate FIRST! Then, simply because
    he is the representative of a party, with which they identify, they then concatenate the two, the guy they like WITH THE PARTY they think will deliver what
    is best for them.

    This is why WALTER BLACKMAN FAILED!

    People like Walter BUT HE CHOSE THE DLP! AND HAD TO BE STOPPED BECAUSE OF THAT!

    So Grenville, Caswell is the charismatic leader THAT YOU ARE NOT and will be followed, not because of any marketing ploy, OR BECAUSE HE IS A REVEREND OR WANNABEE POLITICIAN LIKE YOU but because of the confidence Caswell inspires.

    The fact is that supporters are enveloped by the charisma of the warrior, the star boy, the Bruce Lee by virtue of their personal, unique defining merits.

    Merits which you Grenville, nor Atherley NOR Jeremy Corbyn have!!

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  • Caswell is the charismatic leader….

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    Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • @Miller

    Understand your point.

    Answer if the Scottish people are bent on remaining- separation even- why did they deliver so many Conservative seats?

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  • What Corbyn leadership what! It is all about Brexit! Look at Putney in London for instance, former Tory seat flipped to Labour. The traditional Labour voters in the North and Midlands who think Brexit is the 2nd coming of Christ and voted Tory are in for a rude awakening.

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  • What are you saying enuff, you suggesting Boris will pivot?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    A few add-ons!

    Most of the working class voters who decided this election by abandoning the Labour Party don’t pay much attention to social media….Yet middle class election commentators talk endlessly about the influence of social media.

    The term social media is accepted as referring to the various forms of electronic data distribution/sharing and surely the average 60 year plus senior does not interface to social media often, readily and sometimes never….However, that does NOT mean that they are not heavily exposed to or readily consuming the political messaging .

    I cannot speak to the UK but based on the dynamics of the US that average conservative senior drinks in the political rhetoric via the other powerful social platforms: their religious leadership, the dominant conservative TV shows and the uber-powerful conservative radio hosts.

    When we speak of political social media and seniors let’s clear our heads of limiting semantics.

    @Miller…”Now that the majority of the “English” people, especially the northerners, have gotten their wish of Brexit (at any cost) as expressed in the 2016 referendum would you be as vehemently supportive of their more northerly neighbours in their call for another referendum to decide their future as part of the Union?”

    I agree wid dat. Let those who want no part of the supposed hanger-ons now give the Scots and Irish the same ability to ride free.

    It’s absolutely amazing to read punditry that accords a nation which for centuries rode its dominance over other ‘independent’ countries in its empire this absolution to cut off ‘hangers ons…as if these folks now accused of hanging on (their ancestors) did not help build England’s supremacy.

    Immigration and multiculturalism does NOT have easy remedies in this heightened terrorism fueled world and to attempt to squeeze it into tweet size catch phrases is not my intent; similarly its ridiculous that Brits perceive that they can get it EASY with a divorce from Europe.

    You are on to something with an India – England nexus (much more vast market than US with oodles of potential development tech power)….not sure bout the Pakistan addon tho!

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    The racists are all gleeful about the Boris election: Trump is gleeful, Farage is gleeful, John is gleeful…

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  • @ John December 13, 2019 9:56 AM

    Come the end January 2020, you will also see if his darkened days of hypocrisy have also come to an abrupt and deserving end when he is removed like an excessively greedy pig from the trough of freeness in Strasbourg.

    We shall see if he would do like any decent ‘English’ man and give up his political life of Riley by submitting his immediate resignation as an MEP having been abusing his tenure of deceit since 1999.

    Or will he, in true Brexit style, hang on until the very last minute to be exposed and thrown out head first for the abuse of parliamentary privileges and expenses account.

    His hands are dirty to the racist bone and its time he is thrown into the dustbin of history.

    “A man has to live with himself, and he should see to it that he always has good company.” ~Charles Evans Hughes

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  • @ David December 13, 2019 11:01 AM
    “Answer if the Scottish people are bent on remaining- separation even- why did they deliver so many Conservative seats?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe to spite Labour via Corbyn for dithering and sitting on the Brexit fence.
    Its call cutting off your Scottish labour nose to spite your British Labour face.

    Corbyn knows full well that Brexit is bad for British workers and depressed working class communities.

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  • @ SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife December 13, 2019 7:48 AM

    Maurice Mounsdon: One of final living Battle Of Britain pilots dies aged 101
    Flight Lieutenant Maurice Mounsdon was one of 3,000 men who defended the country from the Luftwaffe.
    Monday 9 December 2019 19:30, UK Daily Mail online

    You have made sweeping statements. There are others still a live in the UK You would never make a good research scientist.

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  • This is American democracy and those of you who are familiar with it know that in America, democracy is hypocrisy. Now if I’m wrong, put me in jail, but if you can’t prove that democracy is not hypocrisy then don’t put your hands on me. Democracy is hypocrisy. If democracy means freedom why aren’t our people free? If democracy means justice why don’t we have justice? If democracy means equality then why don’t we have equality?

    Malcolm X – Democracy is Hypocrisy

    I really wish we would stop calling the Westminster system, and its various versions, democracy. It’s not. Even if you take the rough definition of the term to mean government of the people, by the people and for the people, can anyone really claim that the Westminster system operates in this way? Are the governments in this system made up of ordinary working people or millionaires and other money bags? Can the people govern by controlling the actions taken in their name by these said governments or is their only decision making power during the election and doesn’t that power disappear until the next election, once that x is marked? Bear in mind that working people have, at great sacrifice, imposed universal sugffrage on this system. Does this system really work for the people, ensuring that their basic needs such as a job, a house, health care, transport, pension and education are met for all? Please call this system by another name but leave democracy out of it.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @White, LIFE itself is a hypocrisy of actions so whatever name you give it or its governing processes what difference does it make!

    Malcolm is also credited with the axiom ” By any means necessary” although the concept was long famous before he became a ‘viral sensation’ on T’shirts moons ago.

    If life is not OUR self perpetuated hypocrisy then why do we enslave ourselves as we do to the self serving politicians, ridiculous entertainment figures and worst! … And don’t we yoke ourselves into inequality by poking at each other based on class and shade of our skin!

    There is nothing wrong with so called American democracy or the Westminster style of governance…money and a strong collective force always equates to power and politics is all about harnessing power thus those with the most money and strongest coalitions will invarabily dominate those power levers.

    Those without the wealth must gain the collective force to enable their power. So yes many governments still are made up of average working people.

    And as far as I see, in the main, the systems do work to provide jobs, housing, health care etc…. nothing in life is perfect!

    Understanding all this …in life and in politics is easy…. Achieving it is hard but that certainly can never make the entire exercise null and void!

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  • “Does this system really work for the people, ensuring that their basic needs such as a job, a house, health care, transport, pension and education are met for all?”
    You forgot food, water, power and clothing.

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  • Why not add to the mix that even in a communist system the power and wealth is controlled by those at the pinnacle of the demographic. A system mind you that was designed to spread the wealth. What is said about man made contructs you know well.

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  • peterlawrencethompson
    December 13, 2019 11:12 AM

    The racists are all gleeful about the Boris election: Trump is gleeful, Farage is gleeful, John is gleeful…

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Oh poor baby!!!

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  • PLT

    has the same explanation for all election results in the UK and USA that he disagrees with.

    “They’re racists”.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Ewart Archer
    Nope, just Donald and Boris. All the serious academic research has proven me correct about Donald in 2016… we will wait on serious social scientists to gather the data and analyse the Boris 2019 results.
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/14/trump-and-racism-what-do-the-data-say/

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  • The social science data suggests you are WRONG about The Donald.

    In 2016, some key swing states were lost to the Democrats because Obama voters in the Midwest switched to Trump. Many of these voters were angry over de-industrialization caused primarily by free trade agreements. (NOTE: CAUSED PRIMARILY BY FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, NOT PRIMARILY BY AUTOMATION. THE LATEST ACADEMIC PAPERS IN THE ECONOMICS LITERATURE SHOULD BE REVIEWED)

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    David you made the point earlier that “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

    That says it as well as anything else. There is nothing that has happened since my teenage years when as 5th n 6th formers we debated governance and the same bogey man arguments were made re socialism, democracy, communism etc.

    Back then I was perplexed that the same self serving meism of communist rulers was deeply rooted in the thing we called democracy…and just as with communism or socialism, democracy fooled us into believing that the voice of the people actually was paramount.

    These 40 plus years on the game is much more transparent to me to see how thy all fool us about that people power…so yes I can more readily appreciate that Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

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  • @PLT
    What about your old home? Quebec’s Bill 21? Not ONE of the federal party leaders would publicly challenge it. The endorser, the BLOC leader, was the winner. His newly earned 30 seats, ensured a minority government. And has spurred Wexit.

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  • Never heard of WEXIT!!

    Is it a racist too?

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  • Seems as though people are convinced Labour leader Corbyn is a racist!!

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  • @John
    Wexit is the threatened separation by the Western provinces of Alberta/Sask.

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  • @ John

    Are you Quaker John?

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  • @NO

    Yours @2.58 pm

    Isn’t Quebec following the lead of its spiritual and ancestral home France?

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  • @ fellow CanBajans,

    Quebec always threaten to leave so as to get bigger transfer payments from the Federal government.

    The Westerners will use the same tactic to get what they want.

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  • @Sarge
    I have never figured out exactly whose lead, if any, they follow. As @Hants points out, they certainly understand how to gain monetary benefit. If one told a foreigner the largest recipient of federal to province equalization payments, to a “have not” province is Quebec, they wouldn’t believe you. Does France have an equal to 21?

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  • What frustrates me is our lack of vision and originality. We are hobbling along with a decrepit political system that Englishmen came up with in the 17th century in England to solve the problems of political power in that country at that time. There was nothing universal about that system and it only spread around the world as a result of Brtain’s colonial enslavement of most of the human race. Yet even though we can see it doesn’t work in our country, we try to justify it with nonsensical statements from racist colonialists like Winston Churchill. How do you know it’s the least worst system of governance if you’ve never taken the time to research other types?

    Recently, I have spent a lot of time researching traditional African democratic systems of governance. For clarity, I’m not suggesting that all African societies used such systems nor am I presenting them as a panacea. What I’m sayng is that adopting and modernising the principles that underpinned these inclusive political systems can open the door to creating something new that works for us. For example, at the heart of the Westminster system is the idea of conflict – government vs opppostion and the winner takes all (the first past the post voting system). At the heart of many of the African democratic systems is the concept of compromise and consensus building. They recognise that people having the same interests can often have different perceptions of these interests but they consider that rational discussion can be the key to making people aware of these common interests. The main thing about these systems is that their focus was on the well being of all the members of society. Today, in the Westminster system, politicians are marketed like any other commodity and people understand that most of their promises are nothing but lies, to be broken as soon as they get their hands on power.

    The Englishmen who created the Westminster system in 17th century England each had one brain. We also have a brain each and there’s no reason why we can’t use it to create a more just and democratic society. We just need to be able to think outside the Eurocentric colonial box and visualise a different future.

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  • Hal Austin
    December 13, 2019 3:25 PM

    @ John
    Are you Quaker John?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have only met two Quakers in Barbados years ago and did not even know they were Quaker!!

    Husband and wife, “black” and “white”.

    I have heard of a third who worked at the British High Commission but heard he had left.

    These are the only 3 I knew of and that was a while ago, before I discovered the Quaker connection to Barbados in the 17th century.

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  • @NO

    France has a law banning the use of religious symbols in the country’s public spaces e.g. schools and Gov’t offices, Quebec has followed in its footsteps.

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  • s/b the wearing of religious symbols

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  • Tee White

    went through his entire childhood and somehow grew up to be a functioning adult without realizing that “democracy”, “equality”, “social justice”, etc. are utopian fantasies.

    The human animal is a predator. Think carefully about what that means. Then read a book on biological psychology.

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  • @Tee White

    Have a watch of this presentation.

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  • @ Ewart Archer December 13, 2019 5:02 PM
    “The human animal is a predator. Think carefully about what that means. Then read a book on biological psychology.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

    You are ‘climbing up’ the right tree of life.

    There is little if any (say 3 % at the most) ‘bio-psychological’ difference between the “human animal” and our closest evolutionary relative the ape.

    What little difference there is between the human ‘naked’ apes and their hairy cousins the bonobo is one of Art which offers the human animal the option to be imaginatively creative in changing their physical environment.

    Why couldn’t you recommend Desmond Morris for a good read or even Jane Goodall who documented the only difference between a male chimpanzee and a human male is one of penile size which really matters among humans.

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  • Piece aka Judas, aka Traitor.

    Was not John Major one of the most boring, uninspiring, and uncharismatic UK politicians? Yet, he led the Conservatives to a historic win.

    Who was more charismatic, O. Arthur or F. Stuart? Who won the 2013 general election? Was it not the less charismatic Stuart?

    Do you not see how your analysis is flawed?

    Who voters choose can be as unpredictable as a falling leaf. A mature electorate should value competence over charisma. However, even that cannot predict an election result.

    Candidates should simply do their best and let the voters decide. Your decision to turn on Atherley is certainly not doing your best. Your decision to betray him so soon after going cap-in-hand to join him, is pathetic.

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  • @ Miller December 13, 2019 9:17 AM

    Don’t write off the British. Some of the greatest scientific inventions and discoveries have been made by the British even after the collapse of the empire: eg. the structure of DNA For example Fred Sanger:In 1958, was awarded a Nobel Prize in Chemistry “for his work on the structure of proteins, especially that of insulin”. In 1980, Walter Gilbert and Sanger shared half of the chemistry prize “for their contributions concerning the determination of base sequences in nucleic acids”. The other half was awarded to Paul Berg “for his fundamental studies of the biochemistry of nucleic acids, with particular regard to recombinant DNA”.Sir Alec John Jeffreys British geneticist, who developed techniques for genetic fingerprinting and DNA profiling which are now used worldwide in forensic science to assist police detective work and to resolve paternity and immigration disputes . British scientists are world renown so don’t write them off.. Blacks should try to emulate their examples.

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  • @ robert lucas December 13, 2019 6:01 PM

    Dr. Lucas you are speaking about a bygone era which saw the halcyon days of great ‘British’ scientific inventions and advancements.

    How about mentioning Charles Darwin too? What about the great Scottish engineering investors?

    The modern major challenge to science in Britain is that is restrained by a world of political correctness instead of being facilitated by a regime of serendipitous experimentation.

    The “Little Britain” of the future will be fashioned by the dictates of Islam, the fastest growing cultural influence in the UK.

    Modern-day Islam does not make provisions for experimentation and challenge.

    What we are dealing with, in such a religion-driven environment is no different from what the likes of Galileo encountered.

    As for blacks and science, well, there will always that great divide never to be bridged as long as those naïve fools, generally speaking, continue to take the Adam & Eve fable as the ‘scientific’ gospel.

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  • SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife

    @Ewart Archer December 13, 2019 5:02 PM “The human animal is a predator.”

    Says our Ewart, as though he knows and speaks absolute truth.

    Even predators typically do not prey on their own kind [lions prey on gazelles] so why should humans prey on other humans?

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  • @Sarge
    then I guess Que has copied the motherland…Vive la France, Vive le Québec libre!!

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  • @ SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife December 13, 2019 6:34 PM
    “Even predators typically do not prey on their own kind [lions prey on gazelles] so why should humans prey on other humans?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So why would you want to promote the castration young human males (boy children) to reduce the potential predatory aggression in them?

    Don’t aggressively perverted human males sexually prey on females aka rape?

    Are you recommending that these highly strung human males, from an early age, turn to the female of other species (especially those ‘birds’ of the backyard variety) to prey on?

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for The Bedroom Policeman

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  • SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife

    @Miller December 13, 2019 7:49 PM “So why would you want to promote the castration young human males (boy children) to reduce the potential predatory aggression in them?”

    Why don’t you stop telling lies on me?

    Stupse!!!

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  • SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife

    @Miller December 13, 2019 7:49 PM “Don’t aggressively perverted human males sexually prey on females aka rape?”

    Do most men rape? NO.

    Rape is widely regarded as aberrant behaviour is it not?

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  • @ SirSimple SimonPresidentForLife December 13, 2019 8:16 PM

    Are you Simple Simone(e) denying that you have promoted on the BU forum the castration of young males in order to cut in the bud their predisposition towards violence including that against the human female?

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  • @ the People’s Party for Democracy and Development

    Here is anx excerpt for your review and assimilation

    “…Speaking outside No 10, Mr Johnson thanked lifelong Labour supporters who deserted Jeremy Corbyn’s party and turned to the Conservatives, saying he would fulfil his pledge to take the UK out of the EU on 31 January.

    “I say thank you for the trust you have placed in us and in me and we will work round the clock to repay your trust and to deliver on your priorities with a Parliament that works for you”.

    Boris, even though a man pilloried for his looks and non connectedness with the common man, was able to convert his external appearance to votes.

    Observe the subtle images that the Minister of Disinformation ALWAYS POSTS HERE FOR MUGABE and juxtapose them against those for Grenville Phillips aka Bedroom Policeman aka Iso TALIBAN!!

    De chosen pictures got Grenville Phillips looking like Snuffleuffagus!

    Granted no one is responsible for their looks but…

    Continuing on with my PdP message.

    The key messages for you in the PdP has to be those that resonate with Bajans.

    You have to identify AND FOCUS ON bajan priorities.

    Work, not underemployment, but paying work.

    So you have to create job opportunities for the common man WHILE YOU SATISFY THE LECHEROUS CORPORATE SECTOR.

    Cost of living.

    You have to create the environment that makes it possible for places like Popular supermarket to ply their business AND FLOURISH!

    How come Betram Hall can keep his food prices at 1/3 of the rest of these highway robbery supermarkets.

    So wunna gots to incentivise The Bertram Hall’s in all sectors.

    This translates into savings, improvements in the Cost of Living AND VOTES!

    Wunna understanding de ole man?

    And all did got to be printed in wunna new AND ENHANCED manifesto

    Learn from this Boris Johnson exercise AND DO WHAT DE OLE MAN TELLING WUNNAH TO DO!!!

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  • I was did post this for the Bedroom Policeman Grenville Phillips earlier but…

    @ Grenville Phillips aka Bedroom Policeman aka Iso TALIBAN

    Your comprehension skills are minimal AS WE HAVE ALL NOTED WITH YOUR WEBSITE THAT HAS NOT CHANGED ONCE IN 4 YEARS!

    Piece the Legend GOES TO NO MAN, OF WOMAN BORN, OR UNTIMELY RIPPED FROM WOMAN’S WOMB, cap in hand!

    I and instructed to show people what I “see” and if you follow it you will win.

    John Q says and I quote

    “…Seems as though people are convinced Labour leader Corbyn is a racist!!…”

    Let me explain this to your simpleton self because you have a serious learning impairment problem

    The issues that Corbyn faced are myriad BUT THE POINT I’M TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOUR IGNORANT SELF is that you are NOT JOHN MAJORS or anyone who operates in a country such as those you mentioned.

    YOU HAVE THE ENGAGEMENT PERSONALITY OF A BADLY STUFFED AND MOUNTED SKUNK!

    Now, please dont get me wrong Grenville, no one makes themselves but, this is just the luck of the draw.

    I have made these pronouncements to the PdP

    1.The Reverend Joseph Atherley, a man whose personality excites no fervour at the ballot box, is perceived to be a Mugabe Mottley plant BECAUSE OF THE WELL KNOWN 30-0 BEATING THE DLP GOT

    2.In the eyes of most bajans who will be voting THEY DO NOT WANT A PLANT

    3.If Joseph Artherley wishes to give the PdP a fighting chance HE WOULD ORCHESTRATE HIS EXIT FROM THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PdP exactly as Piece the Legend is saying this

    4.There is no shame to follow my pronouncements JUST GAIN.

    My sole objective here is the promotion of a different ethos here

    COMPETENCIES AS THE PREREQUISITES FOR APPOINTMENT IN THE HoA.

    You have neither of these! CHARISMA NOR COMPETENCY! and have permanently become the barb of political jokes AS THE WANNABEE POLITICIAN WHO WANTS TO SEND POLICEMEN IN BAJANS’ BEDROOMS TO SEE WHAT SEX POSITIONS THEY ARE BORROWING FROM THE INTERNET!

    Why you doan lef de ole man, and ole fart, and aluminium foil wearer and myope and apostate and Judas alone nuh?

    You ent notice I doan read nuffin you write heah pun BU? Ask de Blogmaster effin I lying.

    Looka how de Blogmaster does publish you pretend sermons and BS blogs, but does stifle mine heheheheh

    CHARISMA and Competence have you none …

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  • @ Miller December 13, 2019 6:25 PM

    I am not speaking of a bygone era. Some of the best scientists in the world come from the UK. You seem to have forgotten Dolly the sheep and test-tube babies. There is also the case of the catapult on aircraft carriers, the hover craft. The vertical take off Harrier jet, The jet engine. The ATM machine. Radar, the worldwide web. The discovery of pulsars and the big bang theory as well as radio astronomy and antibiotics. Ph.D in the sciences from Britain are snapped up by the USA. Lots of American Nobel prize winners have British connection. The point being made here is that they can do it again.

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  • @Blogmaster
    what an interesting TED video. Thx

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  • Sir Simple Simon
    Re: “even predators do not prey on their own kind”

    I have previously made the point on this blog that most West Indians are narrowly educated (a terrible fault of the British system we inherited). I’ve been particularly criticized for saying that lawyers with three years of post-secondary education are ill-suited to the roles in government that so many of them occupy, because they lack familiarity with the basic subject matter of economics, management, finance, sociology, psychology, information technology, engineering, etc, etc,. In fact, their “general knowledge” is so limited in so many cases that they must be bewildered by the complexity of the modern world.

    I bring up this issue again because Sir Simple Simon (I am not saying she is a lawyer, but…) just informed me that animal predators do not attack their own kind. A North American child of six would know better.

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