The Phartford Files: Agenda for a Third Party – Part 3

Submitted by Ironside

I ended part 2 of this series with the following:

Whether it is one third party or a coalition of third parties fighting the 2023 election is irrelevant. The important thing is to break the two-party system domination. Therefore, there are three things we have to do from here on: 1. Focus! 2. Focus! 3.Focus!

As I also pointed out in then, it would be foolhardy of any third party to count out the DLP. In point of fact, as long ago as October 2018, the DLP has started to get is political machinery in gear. Furthermore, Mr. Mayers, General Secretary of the party, had hinted at possible by-elections given that “a Member of Parliament…is very ill” and alleged that the head of one of the St. Philip candidates was “on the cutting board”.
Source: ‘Snap goes the Poll’, Barbados Today 10/29/18

Against the background of the above, I wish to raise the following two issues in relation to the agenda for a third party:

1. If Guyson Mayers is correct, should the PdP also prepare for and contest a by-election if and when it occurs?
2. Should the PdP fight the next election as a coalition?

Issue #1
On balance, I would answer in the affirmative with respect to this issue. The main advantage of such a move would be to test the waters for the new configuration that is called the PdP, birthed and bathed as it is, in controversy.

Of course, the question is whether the party has the resources to do so. I would argue that given the localization of the contest, the party should be able to drum up the resources. The real practical issue, however, is whether the party has such an election in its strategic focus and more importantly, the political machinery to tackle it.

Issue #2:
The issue of whether the PdP should fight the next election as a coalition is definitely a point open for debate. Peter Wickham does not think that the current opposition led by Joseph Atherley has a chance. Addressing the question of how Barbadian would vote if an election were called today he opines:

I don’t see him [Atherley] making it because…once parliament is dissolved Atherley ceases to be relevant ‘cause he has no political party to speak of, they don’t have any branches, they don’t have any branch movement…no branch chairman”
Daily Nation, Thursday 28 November, 2019

Is Mr Wickham’s opinion based on current/ recent research? The fact that he does not state so suggests the negative. The context in which Mr. Wickham spoke, a Rotary event, is also very interesting. Did he believe that he was speaking to a predominantly BLP oriented audience?

Those matters aside, if the deficiencies possessed by the PdP are as posited by Mr. Wickham, there is cause for concern for its status as a viable third party. Ergo, a coalition of some sort to fight the election will be necessary. But that raises the question of the readiness of the PdP and the “other third parties”.

I have always been very concerned about the issue of the readiness of “alternative parties” to fight elections in Barbados. It is quite clear that there is dearth of strategic (=medium to long term) thinking among the newer parties. Consequently, their appearance on the scene is almost without exception, ad hoc, i.e. for the current election only.

Such a non-strategic approach will not get a third party much traction – or respect for that matter – from the majority of the electorate. For this reason, the approach taken by Solutions Barbados re the 2018 election: that is engaging the Barbadian electorate some three years in advance, has to be commended. Where the party fell down is another matter.

The modus operandi has got to be that as soon as possible after the last election, party strategists get down to doing the hard research and planning to define the contours of a strategy going forward to the next election and even beyond. In the intervening years, that strategy has to be fleshed out and refined.

This is the same basic message that business students all over the world hear in any strategy management class. I am not sure, therefore, why any political party would think that its management is an exception to these strategic principles.

So the question is: Are the third parties, PdP in particular, listening to Mr. Wickham and to the strategic principles being enunciated here?

I wish to reiterate that there is mental space out there for a third party. However, as I have explained in previous instalments, capturing it will not come without a sustained battle.

Barbadians are by nature short-term thinkers. We are very much unlike many eastern peoples, the Chinese in particular, who are long-term thinkers. Speaking generally, that explains why we wait until a hurricane is upon us to buy emergency supplies, why we do not save and why we are always late! It is ingrained in our DNA. In the social psychology of Barbados, it is a major theme!

Now is the time for those who are committed to the development of a third party to get on board. Now is the time for such a party /parties to define their philosophy and goals and seek to attract quality membership. Three months before the election will definitely not do it. It’s all about three things: 1. Preparation, 2. Preparation, 3. Preparation!

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  • Don’t count out the DLP supporter some who might have stayed
    The operative word going into the next election is “the economy fool”
    I suspect Mia would be once again opening a treasure 📦 of more promises this time highlighted with more musical fanfares and under the table undetectable motions

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster

    Orange font on Grey background is invisible……in your 7.13 am submission

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  • Ok…so in being fair, what? i am fair too you know, one would think the government has no choice at this cashless point in time to contract anyone from the majority population to build electric buses, fine. So it is essential to buy electric buses from China..fine. so they cannot have local entrepreneurs through the government contracts they love to give away freely to non majority members of the population start to replace their raggedy almost depleted fleet..

    But going forward should it be not only prudent but MANDATORY that all buses replaced in the future must be designed and produced in Barbados…using the skills of those in the majority population…it’s beyond UGLY and human rights violating that the majority population has always been DELIBERATLEY STOPPED by both ugly governments from utilizing their skills, innovation and creativity to manufacture, produce and get wealthly from THEIR OWN inventions… without being robbed.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/11/30/electric-buses-from-china-as-bajan-model-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0ZYtJAeMgpSbK60hqOK1iFQncf24KyhhMQkSWnH8OAEhILGx59UAJSfnA

    “The deal has been sealed for Barbados to buy electric buses from China, the Prime Minister announced today, even as she hopped about a Transport Board bus that a St Michael firm has converted into an electric vehicle.

    The prototype could also prove to be the model for turning some of the public bus company’s engine-less fleet into running EV buses, she hinted.

    Mottley made the comments as she visited Endless Electric Limited at Lears, where Wayne Clarke and Dan Johnson had restored and retrofitted an old Transport Board diesel engine bus with an electric motor.”

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster

    A rare occurrence indeed when you said and I quote

    “…but it is the perceived strength of the political party at the national level by the public that must create the impetus to penetrate the psyche of the electorate…”

    Now many get vex when I, Piece the Legend, convey the concept by which the PdP will “penetrate the psyche of the electorate….” to use your words.

    At comment 99, 1 day after “my prolific submissions” which your friend Ironside disliked because “I kidnapped his GRADUAL DEBATE” you finally understand WHAT DE OLE MAN IS SAYING!

    No de ole man expect 10 topics to be posted here on BU to “kill” this topic BUT, AT LEAST FOR YESTERDAY AND TODAY, it has brought all of the PdP big boys to the fight!

    Again here is what you said

    “…penetrate the psyche of the electorate….”

    THE REVEREND JOSEPH ATHERLEY MUST NOT BE THE ONE TO LEAD THE PEOPLE’S PARTY FOR DEMOCRACY AND DEVELOPMENT INTO THE 2021 GENERAL ELECTION!

    By making the 3 moves de ole man suggests

    1.shift from SMNW TO MUGABE MOTTLEY ‘s St Michael North East

    2.Announce this move immediately

    3.Post their meeting, and confirmation, announce the agreement to have Caswell Franklyn run as Leader of the PdP!

    It seems like you are finally understanding what de ole man is proposing as the ONLY MECHANISM TO IMMEDIATELY “…penetrate the psyche of the electorate…” @ 2019

    15 months before the next General Election

    Now here is where we the Electorate see if Reverend Atherley is doing this for the people of Barbados OR IF HE IS A MIA PLANT!

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  • David BU when will you rid us of this in my view madman Piece who is now talking like some demi god .In addition you also have the corruption queen Waru who spends all day on BU repeating the same boring rubbish all day on every topic.David BU do the majority of us a favour and rid us of these two jackasses it is becoming pitiful now in my view.Let them form their own blog to see how popular they actually are.

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  • Enter the second of the 2 Rented Jackasses Hee Haw

    And upon what basis would you suggest that de Honourable Blogmaster expel me now?

    Disrespect did not work!

    Madness heheheheh if dat was a crime Mugabe de despot would have been committed for ***

    Oh um is posting on one specific Blog dat is de excuse?

    Leh de ole man see how dat one goes!

    No BU blogger shall post on one blog BECAUSE HIS FREQUENCY WILL STOP RENTED JACKASSES FROM POSTING RIGHT?

    Heheheheh

    Wunna really hate the fact dat Ironside blogged this item.

    I blogged an item earlier but…

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  • De new feller pun duty so dem holding any comment that shows the PdP HOW THEY WILL WIN.

    @ Ironside

    You said and I quote

    “…Unfortunately in Barbados, we have the Law of Slow Learning and the Law of Fast Forgetting (not to mention Newton’s Law of inertia) in simultaneous operation!…”

    De ole man does call dem Sheeple and People

    How come nobody, including President for Life Simpleton Simon ent open she mouf to say nuffing to you?

    You like you got she frighten LIKE MUGABE GOT BAJANS SCARED SHY$ELESS

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here which gave 3 Simple Steps to the PdP for their victory.

    Why you hiding it?

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  • @David November 30, 2019 7:13 AM

    Re: @Ironside

    ++Do not agree with you. As stated abouve , these are fringe votes that will never count enough to win seats+++

    David, you missed my caveat:

    +++if that segment is substantial. This calls for serious research upfront.++++

    I have NOT defined the term “religious vote” so as a strategic practitioner I cannot prejudge the size of this vote. It is an empirical question. However, consider the ALLEGED influence of this vote in the 2016 USA election re. Donald Trump. [ N.B.: “religious vote” in Bim not necessarily equal – definitionally I mean – to US vote!?]

    On the road shortly… Will check back hour or two.

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  • @Ironside

    Unsure of the applicability to the US voting pattern. Is the Barbados vote so stratified? Empirical evidence you are right will have to confirm but anecdotal evidence says our voter behaviour cannot be coded along the same behaviour.

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  • Nation news

    Unconfirmed reports reaching Nation News indicate three people were killed by a man with a cutlass in Walkers, St Andrew, this morning.

    Police are said to be on the scene

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  • Loop market
    BREAKING NEWS |

    Police PRO: Three dead in Walkers incidentLOOP NEWS CREATED : 30 NOVEMBER 2019BARBADOS NEWS

    Three persons have lost their lives at Walkers in St Andrew.

    Independence Day 2019 has been marred by a fatal incident in rural Barbados.

    Police Public Relations Officer, Acting Inspector Rodney Inniss told Loop News at 10.20 am today, that police officers on the scene confirmed that three persons were killed at Walkers. “Yes, I can confirm that.”

    He said that is all the information he could disclose at this time

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  • @ Piece the Legend November 30, 2019 7:26 AM
    “@ the Reverend Joseph Atherley

    No matter which agent of the Barbados Labour Party WHO HAS PLAYED OFF THE RELIGIOUS NAME OF IRONSIDE SMARTLY (see the entry of that name on this blospace), no matter what you are told about that hairbrained idea of YOUR FINDING A DEPUTY , do not entertain it!
    If you do, IT WILL KILL THE PDP!
    You are being lured NOT ONLY TO YOUR POLITICAL DEATH, but, if you follow the reincarnated Ironside down this rabbit hole, IT WILL TRANSFORM YOU, AND THE PDP, INTO FEMALE RABBITS and CHVUNTS!
    Ok, don’t take what Piece the Legend is saying to you as the Truth!
    But go to your constituency AND WALK THROUGH IT and observe the way how people react to you @ 2019!
    Test de ole man’s assessment of your political currency Joe, prove me wrong yourself.
    You are on your way out, comfortably so too, but this is your swansong..”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Of course old Rev. Joe knows he has committed electoral hari-kari when he sold his soul to the Constitutional devil in order to make the Mottley administration a ‘legitimate’ dictatorship.

    Like the prototype Judas he has sold his previous loyalty for a mess of silver-haired pottage in the form of a handsome parliamentary pension in the capacity of the LoO and supported by the expected savings from 4 to 5 years salary to rival that of a minister of the Crown.

    Rev. Joe has no ‘future’ political leadership stocks to invest in. And he is quite aware of this despite his ‘Federal’ schooldays dream of rising from head boy to PM.

    The Herculean challenge for the retiring one-man sitting on that single bench pretending to be opposing the one-party regime is how long he can put up with the prearranged charade.

    Is he going to call it quits and let another fellow- but younger turk who fancies himself to be another ‘pretend’ red turncoat- perform an act of chameleon distinction by transforming into a ‘pinkish’ yellow or blue one-man politically ‘green’ band?

    There is only person to be held responsible for the current political stalemate in Parliament. That is, the checkmated King Stuart the naked emperor of self-induced political impotence.

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  • In a very close contest all votes count. I think we once had an election where somebody was beaten by less than five votes. We have thirty constituencies so it’s folly to suggest that “fringe “ votes or voters can’t impact an election results. If a third party candidate gets twenty five or thirty votes in a close election , it impacts the outcome and if that is repeated in six close contests, those votes could actually determine who wins and which party could form the government.
    In an election like the last one such votes would have perhaps been insignificant but in a close contest , it’s a completely different story.
    Quite frankly it’s not very accurate to judge the impact of the third parties’ contribution by the outcome of the last election.

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  • Let me start my BU day by wishing a “Happy Independence Day” to all.

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  • @ Miller

    Mottley did not need Atherley to make her government legitimate because the government was never illegitimate and certainly it cannot be seriously deemed a dictatorship. The government won the election and that’s all there is to it.

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  • @WS
    Your message of 11:29 a.m is even more profound than you think it is..
    You could be our John the Baptist crying in the wilderness of BU.

    Let me approach your numbers but from a completely different tangent.

    In the last election, approximately 1500,000 votes were cast. With 30 constituencies, that is an average of 5,000 voters in each constituency. In our quest for 1 million citizens, a new ethnic group with 50,000 voters located in the competive constituencies could transform the face of our government by winning at least ten seats on their own, or by tipping the scales to the party which promises the most.

    Look at the number of votes the winner in different constituencies got in the 30-0 victory of 2018. It was around 3 to 4 thousand.

    http://www.caribbeanelections.com/bb/elections/bb_results_2018.asp

    The 5 votes that you speak of would no longer matters as the voting pattern/demographics has been transformed with the influx of 50, 000 new voters seeking their own interests.

    Also complicating that matter is that if these 50,000 voters felt beholden to those who brought them in, the voice of the old majority population could be somewhat muted and the ruling party could be in power for a long time.

    Say No to the 1 million population. Say No to the half-million population. They will make you second class citizens in the land of your birth.

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  • @ William Skinner November 30, 2019 11:36 AM

    How can the machinery of ‘Governance’ (the executive arm of the Crown) function within the four walls of the Bajan Constitution without an ‘appointed’ Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition?

    If not the willing “Atherley”, who then would have filled that Constitutionally-mandate role?

    If no one else is prepared to play the ‘acting’ role of Judas would there have been a need to return to the polls (electorate) until a person opposed to the policies of the BLP is elected like playing a game of knockout cricket or football?

    Let us qualify that noun of “dictatorship” by using that practically apt word “de facto”.

    We would not go that far as to describe it as an ‘elected’ dictatorship; albeit benign.

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  • @ Hants

    Barbados is an angry place. Yet, despite all this, there is nothing being done or said about reform to the criminal justice system, or even law and order policy nor is there a tenable criminological explanation. Why?

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  • I love typos. They take a simple sentence and turn it to sheer nonsense.
    Correction”: In the last election, approximately 150,000 (150K) votes were cast

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  • @ Hal,

    My layman’s opinion is that these are some of the causes of crime in Barbados.

    Mental illness, Anger, indiscipline and a drugs and gangs culture.

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  • @David
    No Independence message? Happy Independence day!

    Irving Burgie timed his exit well, farewell to this vale of tears…

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/11/30/irving-burgie-dies/

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  • @ Hants

    I think you are right, along with economic pressures. The problem is that we do not keep proper official statistics on crime. In Barbados, crime is officially mainly a black, working class issue. Do you remember the man who shot his son by ‘accident’? The man and his son who beat up a black man for being in the wrong area at the wrong time? The thugs who walked in to the woman’s boutique in Speightstown and down rubbish? The teenage arsonist? The drug smuggler? I can go on.
    Sometime ago I suggested to Amit that he could improve his records by making some additions to his list. So far no luck.
    Again you may remember @PLT raising the issue of crime being a public health issue and joining the long list of those talking about the so-called Glasgow model; that is nonsense. Others are looking at the cognitive developments of young men, mainly aged under 25.
    Whatever the answer, we need to look seriously at crime causation and stop our brutish magistrate(s) from just warehousing young men.
    Two good books to read on the subject: The New Jim Crow, by Michelle Alexander, and Stony the Road, by Henry Louis ‘Skip’ Gates. Another good book is that by Stuart Hall, Policing the Crisis.

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  • @TheOGazerts

    Your point is well taken We keep forming social policy like a chicken with its head cut off. Here we have a population under 400 000. About a million people come in as tourists and we have to develop an infrastructure to accommodate them.
    Yet, we have trained economists talking about importing Labour in large numbers; in the meantime we are educating people that cannot find jobs and telling them to go overseas to find work. Never mind the recent retrenchment of both parties.
    So you are absolutely correct. Those who come in can find themselves as potent political players and with strategic placement could actually influence if not determine the outcome of an election.
    A simple point to ponder: Imagine a squatter development with three hundred people in a constituency who believe that a particular party is favorable to them. Imagine that if able to vote how they can actually sink the candidate of the other party. Now multiply other similar factors in other constituencies and the picture you painted is very clear to those who still have heads on their necks.

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  • @ Hal
    We seem to be constantly pushing our hand into thorns and all we are getting is blood. Yet we push them anyway and call the blood milk.
    Who are these trained social scientists? What really is their role? What were they taught at university?
    Are we really getting even minimum returns for the taxpayers investment?
    These are the questions that ordinary citizens ask everyday on brass tacks.
    We keep believing that the masses who built this country are ignorant or unaware . It’s just they are benevolent and have an abundance of patience.

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  • @ William

    I try not to get angry, but it is disappointing that our rulers are so incompetent. I try to compare them with work being done by black social scientists in the US and UK, and every time they are found wanting. It is the culture.
    Sometime ago the late Trevor ‘Job’ Clarke introduced me to a young man with a PhD (he called himself doctor) from UWI. I was embarrassed for the young man. In my time, young men at St Giles had more interesting conversations. But these are the young men and women (mainly men) that we celebrate.

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  • @Sargeant

    No contrived message this year.

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  • @William

    Fringe vote has nothing to do with a close outcome. It is about winning a seat by a third party candidate will have to win core support from BDLP plus organic. If you do not get it Ironside, Artax or one of the bright ones will explain.

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  • @Hal AustinNovember 30, 2019 12:04 PM

    @ Hants

    Barbados is an angry place. Yet, despite all this, there is nothing being done or said about reform to the criminal justice system, or even law and order policy nor is there a tenable criminological explanation. Why?

    There you go again with your bullshit…I didn’t see that type of post from you when when Khan went on a stabbing spree on the bridge in the UK earlier this week.

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  • @ Lorenzo November 30, 2019 8:06 AM

    No such luck; its freedom of speech, amigo.

    Do you think that the problem might be that the Waru-Piece-GP trio may actually be alter egos of each other? It seems that there is a lot of schizophrenia on this blog. Perhaps stocks of medication may be running low?

    In the meantime, I suggest you try sipping Daphne’s Old-Fashioned Ice Cold Ignore Tea. One cup per day should do the trick!

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  • @David November 30, 2019 2:06 PM
    Re: @William

    Fringe vote has nothing to do with a close outcome.
    AGREED!
    It has to do with an outcome, period!

    ….third party candidate will have to win core support from BDLP plus organic.
    Basically TRUE!

    The task before the third party is a typical entrepreneurial/ market entry problem encountered every day in Marketing. In this case a TPP needs to build organic franchise from among the so-called uncommitted vote (an easier task) AWA seek to switch BDLP voters (not so easy; more long term).

    At this time, any serious TPP ought to be studying the last election results for starters because, like it or not, the 2018 election was a water shed moment for TPPs. There has to be data in those results that can help it distinguish between/ estimate, even if crudely, core support for the duopoly vis-à-vis the “uncommitted vote” AKA swing vote (even these terms need rigorous definition) and from there, help a serious TPP find a starting place for its first constituency branches.

    That is, of course, after it gets better organized with the service of a cadre of individuals with an unswerving, long-term commitment to its success; a capacity building exercise.

    In summary, gentlemen, this is an entrepreneurial/marketing problem not unlike any other in the world of business.

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  • Let de ole man try to ketch up with the comments of the 10? outspoken bloggers on this site of the self proclaimed strategist Ironside with the bedside manner of ***

    And his signature ++++ delimiters before and after quoted speech.

    Never included in the text BUT ALWAYS BEFORE THE TEXT!

    Commander Theophillus Gazerts de ole man unfortunately CANNOT WISH YOU HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY because, in the presence of the impending dilution of citizenship, that state becomes a moot point.

    Couple that with the inequity that exists in Bim and well, it, EQUITY, is a fallacy where one law obtains for thieves like Pornville and poor MEN WHO GET 12 MONTHS FOR A $6.99 fingernail clippers and Clico robbers getting knighthoods

    But here is what you said of Mugabe’s immigration plan

    “…Also complicating that matter is that if these 50,000 voters felt beholden to those who brought them in, the voice of the old majority population could be somewhat muted and the ruling party could be in power for a long time…”

    Xenophobia has its logic when a people see their ultimate decimation in numbers and are reminded daily of their slow extinction by hajibs and accents of the Invader!

    What is the correct mix Commander would be the question that I ask you, a man living in a “strange land” yourself like Joseph did in Egypt?

    Mugabe and Edmund Hinkson do not have any intention of flooding the country with 750,000 people BECAUSE OF THAT SELF EXTINCTION “GENE MARKER” but AS YOU HAVE RIGHTLY DISCERNED, this is a political ploy.

    And it will be accomplished in 2020 WHERE A GHOST IMMIGRATION POLICY AND PRACTICE WILL EXPAND THE POPULATION COUNT!

    I got to go and address another matter here on Barbados Underground

    De ole man has killed another 3 people in Walkers in St Andrew so excuse me…

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  • RE Do you think that the problem might be that the Waru-Piece-GP trio may actually be alter egos of each other?
    I THOUGHT YOU HAD A PhD IN PSYCHOLOGY?

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  • @ Blogmaster

    Perhaps we can delete one of these copies?

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please

    @ Ironside

    More waffle and shy$e talk from you with the Entrepreneurial marketing plan or whatever you want to call it.

    The only option dat the Reverend has in this battle IS TO ATTACK MUGABE MOTTLEY

    IN HER CONSTITUENCY!

    47 down and 3 to go!

    Prediction or Prophecy?

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  • @ GP November 30, 2019 3:17 PM

    Peter Drucker, (1909-2005) management guru, held a J.D (Doctor of Jurisprudence).

    Some of us have wide intellectual interests! does it matter?

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  • @ Dr GP my fellow myope,

    You noticed his waffling credentials too?

    PhD in psychology.

    You note how he gets to post duplicates freely AND RECEIVES NO MESSAGE SAYING A DUPLICATE EXISTS ON BU, but the Honourable Blogmaster does block yours and mine?

    Dem hate Waru, you and me bad doah (I notice dat dem ease off My Commander Theophillus Gazerts a little though heheheheh)

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  • @ Ironside

    I’ll be yah Huckleberry heheheheh

    Back to your waffle!

    You, in your poor effort to sway the PdP said and I quote

    “…For this reason, the approach taken by Solutions Barbados re the 2018 election: that is engaging the Barbadian electorate some three years in advance, has to be commended…”

    Ironside, you mekking mock sport right?

    This one man party who sought to hide 30 candidates in Wentworth College where he was giving imaginary courses in Entrepreneurial Education?

    What you say he did again?

    According to the Honourable Blogmaster

    STEUPSEEE (heheheheh)

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  • PIECE

    THIS IRONSIDE FELLOW COME HERE A FEW DAYS AGO AND SAID

    ” I am not a clinical psychologist but my doctoral thesis was grounded in social psychology. The rest I have gathered by interest and wide reading.piece”

    BUT HE DONT SEEM TO KNOW ANYTHING BOUT DE SUBJECT AT ALL
    HE SOUND LIKE HUCKLEBERRY HOUND FUH TRUTE

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  • @ Ironside

    You said and I quote

    “…So the question is: Are the third parties, PdP in particular, listening to Mr. Wickham and to the strategic principles being enunciated here?…”

    What is your fixation with Peter Wickham?

    Every second word out your mouth is what Peter Wickham or Guyston Mayers said!

    Where is your opinion?

    Do you have any opinion?

    Up to now you have said nothing to tell the RH PdP what to do as you Glover trot from american polls to Chinese DNA.

    Not one FVUCK!!!

    Even the Honourable Blogmaster has taken you to task on the Peter Wickham issue of credibility and the audience he Wickham is playing to

    I am sorry to be exposing you and your trademark style like this but de ole man NO LONGER SEES WITH THE PHYSICAL EYES ALONE, Ironside, I discern all that you say.

    You are holding back your customary responses with great mental strain because my antipodean dialogue is showing you up.

    So, in characteristic style you slip in you best insult WITHOUT SLIPPING INTO YOUR CHARACTERISTIC BEHAVIOURS heheheheh

    My rebuttal over the last 36 hours is like a (BIG) Iron (in your back) side AND YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST TO CONTAIN YOURSELF, but you cast the first stone, bid you not?

    So, either you suffer under this persona, for the next 15 months, OR YOU EXPOSE YOURSELF AND BE SEEN TO BE WHO YOU ARE!

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  • @Ironside

    For a moment had to review the comment posted to establish it was not in hieroglyphics. Thanks for explaining to William.

    The data will show that the level of voter apathy reached a rock bottom level caused by the worst government Barbados has had since Independence. How the electorate will respond post 2018 general election in the opinion of this blogmaster is an unknown variable. What is known is that there is opportunity for a third party(ies) to rake root. How they do it, the script is a work in progress.

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  • Well, they certainly gotta watch how they running around in the Caribbean thinking they can murder dissidents who oppose their criminality, or even people they have targeted TO ROB to pretend they are suddenly these big African descendants rushing off to Africa every second…..when they never even wanted to be called Black let alone African before..lol..as in Barbados’ case….this is a different era..

    where are the fowls, is this not Mia’s good friend..

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-50611555?fbclid=IwAR3Zl95G9YIYEqJtuUK5itfPLM8RS0r8vtN7ea_0dmUYEWpW-rc3QqDtlAA

    “Suriname’s President Desi Bouterse has been sentenced to 20 years in prison over the execution of 15 political opponents in 1982.

    Bouterse, 74, is currently on an official visit in China and will have two weeks to appeal against the conviction.

    He was found guilty of planning and ordering the extrajudicial execution of 15 political prisoners.

    The president has previously denied the allegations.

    He claimed the victims, who included lawyers, union leaders and journalists, were shot while trying to escape a colonial-era fortress in Paramaribo, the capital of the South American country.

    Bourtese led Suriname during the 1980s as head of a military government and de facto leader.

    He took office as president in 2010, following a democratic election and was elected for another term in 2015.”

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  • @Ironside

    An important consideration that third parties have to consider is the type of leadership. Barbadians appear to like assertive political leaders. In the landscape we have Mia walks tall whether we like it or not.

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  • Define “walking tall”

    “Unconfirmed reports reaching Nation News indicate three people were killed by a man with a cutlass in Walkers, St Andrew, this morning.”

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  • Piece..no matter how they try to suppress the murder numbers, for some reason they just keep rising..

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  • This is akin to predicting the winner of next year’s Gold Cup, on which, we actually have more information. A date and a distance. A ‘star’ candidate for any party, will upset all speculation.

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  • @ Ironside

    Your final statement in ALL YOUR WAFFLE……heheheheh

    “…Now is the time for those who are committed to the development of a third party to get on board. Now is the time for such a party /parties to define their philosophy and goals and seek to attract quality membership….”

    Do you realise that, in ALL OF YOUR JOB APPLICATION ATTEMPT to become a Political Strategist for the People’s Party for Democracy and Development, in all of your submissions here, YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ONE SINGLE SUGGESTION TO THE PDP that it can implement???

    Not even one!

    You realise that you have said a. WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING ABOUT IT? b. WHAT PEOPLE IN CHINA ARE LIKE? c. WHAT THE NO SOLUTIONS BARBADOS PARTY THAT LOST THEIR DEPOSIT DID? and a whole set of jobby?

    You understand how disappointed the Honourable Blogmaster must be for allowing you to post here?

    You recognize how happy he is dat de ole man come and mash up your waffle with some good “iron” in your back “side”? Figuratively speaking!

    Hold it, hold it! This persona cannot do what the other fellow does heheheheh (I know, i does GOAD wunna too bad, I musee got a PhD in Psychology too)

    All that is left for you now is to wait till tomorrow when the Honourable Blogmaster posts the article on the 47 deaths officially and 53 UNOFFICIALLY when you will be released from championing this topic WHICH YOU FAILED IN!

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  • It’s been weeks people have been telling me about the ELEVATED STRESS LEVELS on the island, lack of money, lack of food, lack of water… in people with mental issues it will be magnified by multiples….keep on ignoring the social crisis on the island and see what happens..

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  • @ WARU

    Watch youself girl cause, AS SOON AS YOU MENTION MENTAL ISSUES AND HARDSHIP AND MURDERS, the Rented Jackasses Hee Hee and Hee Haw does jump out de Woodwork and blame you, Dr GP and de ole man for all de rioting in de land!

    Right now de Royal Baygon Police Force has a warrant to arrest de ole man for all de social unrest in Barbados

    In particular the most recent addition is for incensing people about de duppy bones Mugabe Mottley dig up and carry the Africa AND WHICH HAVE CAUSE DE IBO SPIRITS TO DESCEND PUN DE ISLAND.

    3 dead at one time!

    So all three uh we pun de warrant!

    I know it will seem irreverent BUT IT WILL BECOME EVIDENT THAT MUGABE MOTTLEY AND HER IMPS are lost

    And the majority of the social unrest is as a result of economic instability and her inability to deliver.

    THIS MUST CONTINUE UNTIL ALL BAJANS WAKE UP and Vote out Mugabe BEFORE 2023!

    DO NOT TOUCH THE ACCURSED THING! or pestilence will visit The Entire Nation

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  • “In particular the most recent addition is for incensing people about de duppy bones Mugabe Mottley dig up and carry the Africa AND WHICH HAVE CAUSE DE IBO SPIRITS TO DESCEND PUN DE ISLAND.”

    That is the result of they not EDUCATING THE PEOPLE AND THEMSELVES about their AFRICAN HERITAGE..for decades although they have had MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES…

    .ah don’t think the Ghanaians had the time to explain things to them, they would not have believed them anyway, they are not white enuff…..ah hope they paid attention to the ceremony and were not too busy dancing up a storm instead….they better start replaying it in their minds..

    now they are being BITTEN…

    it is madness to blame BU bloggers since we did not know about their DISTURBING SPIRITS until they were in Ghana burying the things live and direct in secret…….right along with Barbados’ FLAG AND ALL…

    man Piece…we are really scapegoats, not to be mistaken with Billie The Goat..

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  • PIECE AND WARU
    I WATCH DE PARADE
    MAN STANDARDS REALLY DOWN IN EVERY RESPECT
    MAN EVEN THE HORSES IN DO NOTHING MUCH

    I DIDNT WATCH MIA LONG TALK DOH SHE LIKE SHE TINK SHE WAS HAVING A TRUMP RALLY MURDAH

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  • Piece and ya may or may not know that if those disturbed spirits are Yoruba mixed with demon slave masters…all hell will break loose…the Yoruba tribes are extremely spiritually powerful….but again…ya colonized WANNABE WHITE BLACK LEADERS …always SUCCESSFULLY SUPPRESSED SUCH TEACHINGS…and will now pay the price..

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  • “I DIDNT WATCH MIA LONG TALK DOH SHE LIKE SHE TINK SHE WAS HAVING A TRUMP RALLY MURDAH.”

    lol…

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  • @ GP

    I ent see it yet but we can be assured that the Honourable Blogmaster going post a video wid it tomorrow.

    Was she staring at the camera when making her hand flailing speech or staring at the audience as if suffering from hypothyroidism?

    I too can’t tek watching she too long heheheheh

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  • See..that is where the blogs would have been useful to Mia, if she had not been so secretive about running off to Ghana with bones and/or soil..we would have told her DO NOT DISTURB CENTURIES OLD SPIRITS…..it comes with consequences, not that she would have listened since she has always hated the blogs and bloggers, she spent so much time an dmoney trying to get rid of the blogs from Barbados…..lol

    i was reading up on Simon Bolivar recently, then a Cubana (female Cuban) told me that Chavez of Venezuela had removed Bolivar’s centuries old remains from one location to another, i had even forgotten about that….well, no one has to say what has happened since then in Venezuela…..the world is still mesmerized…

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  • @ David November 30, 2019 4:35 PM

    Re; @Ironside

    An important consideration that third parties have to consider is the type of leadership. Barbadians appear to like assertive political leaders. In the landscape we have Mia walks tall whether we like it or not.
    ++++++++++
    That would seem to be the case. However, “liking assertive political leaders” and “worshipping” them are two different things. I am on record on this blog as saying that hero worship is a problem in this country.

    Moreover, we have to move from voting for people on the basis of so-called “charisma” to voting for parties on the basis of of policies and principles. The former approach has not served us well in recent (post-Barrow) times because of the new breed of politician around.

    It should also be noted that under PR it is easier to vote for parties on the basis of of policies and principles because the allocation of seats to individuals occurs AFTER the party vote is decided and not before.

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  • DavidNovember 29, 2019 11:46 AM

    @William

    A third party is not born because some people jump on a bandwagon. It will have to be anchored in a philosophy then there must be leadership to ensure a message is crafted that resonates with the masses. Other plans will have to line up as well. What you are witnessing in Barbados are attempts to fire a movement which is part of a process. None of the so-called third parties meet the criteria to win the minds and gain the support necessary.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is precisely what I have been trying to tell Grenville but he wants to speak of khus khus planting by the roadside.

    Even the name Solutions Barbados is uninspiring. A name is supposed to conjure up an image. These are the days of branding.

    But Grenville is “immune” to teaching and will therefore fail.

    Piece is correct in thinking that Caswell could start a movement. He is the only one I can see as connecting with the people. But this will take grassroots activism that has not been seen in Barbados for decades.

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  • WURA-WAR-on-UNovember 30, 2019 5:22 PM

    It’s been weeks people have been telling me about the ELEVATED STRESS LEVELS on the island, lack of money, lack of food, lack of water… in people with mental issues it will be magnified by multiples….keep on ignoring the social crisis on the island and see what happens..

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Girl you don’t know the half of it!

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  • @Ironside

    Agree with some of your comment, however, you should tell us how charisma should be ignored if it defines the ability of any leader to capture his or or audience. Charisma is a characteristic of a leader that separates from the others.

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  • The likes of Barrow, the house negro worked hard to KILL Black NATIONALISM in Barbados and they worked even harder the house negros of parliament to kill Rasta, they hated anything Black and African and would bend themselves in half to destroy it…..while looking striaght at ya with their black ass faces and pretending to be white and british too…they had no shame..

    ……now here they are…

    If anyone tries that Donna…the default reaction in the house slave is to …DESTROY IT…even today…

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  • “Girl you don’t know the half of it!”

    am trying hard to understand what others are feeling and going through, it’s not easy if you are not in their shoes staring at poverty and ruination thanks to 2 dirty corrupt governemnts…

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  • @David November 30, 2019 4:32 PM
    @Ironside

    For a moment had to review the comment posted to establish it was not in hieroglyphics.
    ++++++
    LOL!

    Apologies for the many abbreviations. Time pressure!

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 1:16 PM

    You are flogging a concept the time for which has passed. Educated and literate citizens are not persuaded by emotion but by reason. Please do not think that education ends at the school door. Education is channeled in multifaceted ways.

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  • @Vincent

    Do not agree. We have many examples of citizens guided by emotional and narrow interest arguments. Yours is a utopian perspective.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu
    I think you need to review your understanding of Charismatic Leadership and compare your understanding with what is actually happening on the ground. But you are quite free to hold your views.

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  • Charismatic leadership is basically the method of encouraging particular behaviors in others by way of eloquent communication, persuasion and force of personality. Charismatic leaders motivate followers to get things done or improve the way certain things are done. … This leadership style is almost of divine origin.

    http://teamworkdefinition.com/charismaticleadership/

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    Do we have many of these in the world today? Do we have any in Barbados? All good things emanate from God. Is charisma a good thing in the sense you have defined it ?

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  • @Vincent

    Charismatic leadership is a good thing if supported by action plans.

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  • @William Skinner November 30, 2019 11:29 AM

    RE:
    +++Quite frankly it’s not very accurate to judge the impact of the third parties’ contribution by the outcome of the last election.+++

    Couldn’t DISAGREE more!

    The last election was a water shed moment for the TPs. They DID have an impact! So some analysis has to be made about exactly what impact was .

    Figures produced by Doc Martin here [ https://barbadosunderground.net/2018/06/03/parliamentary-democracy-under-the-microscope-agenda-for-change/ ] show that TPs gained a total of 5.1% of the vote.

    That is a relatively small figure but interestingly, DM argued that had a system PR been in place, SB would have gained one seat.

    In any case, it can be reasonably hypothesized that that 5.1% vote consists of a mix of people who were (a) NOT apathetic to voting (b) rejected the two main parties AND (c) “warmed” to the idea of a third party.

    However, it is not only the percentage that fits the definition but the specific reasons that they made that choice. Those reasons can only be uncovered by a separate research effort.

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  • It would be interesting to list a few names and ask if any of these are charismatic. Evidently, some do not fit the limited definition given above but they have/had their share of followers.
    Putin
    Trump
    Duterte
    Maduro
    Chavez
    Obama
    Boris Johnson
    Trudeau
    Hitler
    ..
    ..
    Perhaps two or three??? For one of them, I question if there was anything divine

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  • Vincent,

    Emotion has its part to play in firing up the masses with the energy to do the hard work. The message that resonates should be based on reason but the delivery must have punch.

    Reason and logic do not move most people to act. Their brains acknowledge the reason and logic and they carry on as usual.

    Emotion is the fuel that lights a fire under their butts.

    How many people in Barbados appreciate a good lecture? Few and getting fewer every day!

    PS. About delivery of message. Years ago a reasonable and logical person like myself was taught budgeting and all that highfalutin’ stuff by well qualified lecturers. Nevertheless I continued to spend without a thought until a lowly accounts clerk colourful character hit the bull’s eye with characteristic wit.

    The magic words?

    “Wunnuh Bajans would take the last hundred dollars out yah purse to buy a new purse!”

    And he proceeded on proudly with the battered brief case that had provoked my criticism .

    I pictured myself with a beautiful new purse devoid of the very money it was meant to hold and the image never left me.

    My carefree spendthrift days were over! I would spend but I couldn’t enjoy it if it was ludicrous. Buyer’s remorse was a powerful emotion. I felt foolish!

    I felt and so I acted.

    A change came.

    The emotional was the catalyst that enabled the reaction to occur between logic and reason and habit to produce a new desired outcome.

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  • @ Donna : December 1, 2019 12:59 PM

    Re: Even the name Solutions Barbados is uninspiring. A name is supposed to conjure up an image. These are the days of branding.
    ++++++
    Couldn’t agree with you more! That is what came to mind the first time I heard it. Your commonsense deduction is what any professional marketer could have told SB long ago.

    Everybody thinks he or she is a Marketing expert nowadays even though that is a field that requires considerable study. Everybody thinks Marketing is about advertising/ social media.

    Some are just waking up to branding which has been a principle of professional marketing for more than six decades!

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  • As much as I despise Trump he is charismatic. I hate what he is saying but I can appreciate his way of connecting with his audience. Sometimes he makes me laugh despite myself.

    Obama is definitely charismatic. He’d make an excellent comedian.

    Trudeau has an image – a physical appearance that people especially women would fall for.

    Boris Johnson’s hair is not an accident. He is a character. One cannot ignore Boris Johnson.

    And Hitler? He too had something. Sinister is often charismatic.

    Don’t know enough about the others to comment.

    But from what I have seen in life boring is for the background support. They are the ones who get the job done behind the scenes before and after the “leader” starts the movement. They are invaluable,

    But to use a beautiful Bajan saying –

    “Dem en got nuh front seat face!”

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  • Ironside,

    Marketing requires the study of people and hence though I am not a professional I do have some insight. I find human beings very interesting and so i study them daily.

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  • @ David @ Vincent

    Re: Charisma / Charismatic leadership

    Don’t let’s get confused between “what is” and “what we would like it to be”.

    David is right…Bajans like charisma… to the exclusion of logic, reason, policies, principles. It’s a deep seated socio-psychological problem.

    The election of Mia Mottley and the BLP is a case in point. Take away the ejection of the DLP and you are left essentially with that individual’s charisma. She know it and she played it well.

    However, having charisma and being a charismatic leadership are not necessarily the same.

    Vincent, you are calling for a more mature Bajan. Sorry, not here yet in significant numbers . Blame it on the retardatory educational system if you must.

    @ David: BTW, what is the source of your definition?

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  • @ Donna December 1, 2019 2:32 PM

    That I can appreciate! Makes sense!

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  • Retardatory educational system? We have 98 per cent literacy and punch globally above our weight.

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  • @Ironside

    Link updated to the original comment, apology for the omission.

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  • (Quote):
    All good things emanate from God. Is charisma a good thing in the sense you have defined it? (unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In that case it seems “He” is running a very ‘far-behind’ second place to His opposite number in the arena of politics.

    Is that ‘divine’ source responsible for producing charismatic leaders also the birthplace of the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot; or even Papa Doc and Mugabe?

    If God did not have an enemy of equal power to play the zero sum game of manipulating mankind what would the world look like today other than a hellhole of boredom.

    There is only one way to achieve happiness on this terrestrial ball.
    And that is to have either a clear conscience or none at all. ~Ogden Nash.

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  • Miller,

    You remind me of a very good friend I made on campus who likened God to a bored man playing chess with real human beings as the pieces. His opponent, of course, was Satan.

    I was so relieved that somebody was asking the same questions that I was.

    My son has also come to the conclusion that without something to fight against and overcome life would be quite boring. I have often wondered if Heaven wouldn’t be boring.

    PS. That Ogden Nash statement is one for my list.

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  • @ Donna December 1, 2019 2:32 PM
    “I find human beings very interesting and so i study them daily.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What about zoology? To get a more informatively objective insight into ‘people’s’ behaviour is through the study of the bonobo ape.

    But that might be a bridge too far for you to cross over from Judean genesis to Xtian revelation.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    Max Weber back in 1922 ,a political sociologist, first used the term in describing leadership. The key ingredient was personal magnetism. A person to whom people gravitate because of his brilliance and who inspires people to follow him. He is able to articulate the aspirations of the people and shows signs of being able to achieve them.

    @ Ironside
    The Bajan is much more mature and savvy than you or David are giving them credit for. Feelings do not count. Data does.

    .

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  • @Vincent

    We have outcomes to evaluate the savviness of Barbadians to which you refer- we continue to avoid holding our politicians accountable. Ask William who has duopoly stuck in his craw. The blogmaster will add a decade of a moribund Public Accounts Commitee. You get the drift?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    No . I do not get the drift. But I do see an attempt at shifting the goal posts.

    The Public is quite aware of the smoke screens and mirrors and the failures of those put in positions of responsibilities . And they are not amused nor charmed.

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  • @Vincent

    Why do you think both the DLP and BLP have a hardcore support base of 30 to 40%. Most of the time except for the aberration of 2018 this is guaranteed support for the duopoly. In other words a significant percent of the electorate vote based on blind loyalty.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu at 3:29 PM

    I am not too sure of the point you are trying to make. A third party will just create a Triopoly and a fourth party a Quadopoly. Will that create the kind of Society or Polity you imagine. Are you sure that Vincent is the only one striving after Utopia.?

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  • @Vincent

    No!

    Did you read the comments about a third party needing a philosophy that will resonate with citizens supported with good leadership etc?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    Did not the Duopoly have these great aims in their manifestos? You think Bajans foolish? It is the same khaki pants.

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  • @Vincent

    Do not be so cynical!

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  • @Hal Austin December 1, 2019 2:39 PM

    We have been here many times before. The ability to read and write – even to do basic ‘rithmetic” – is not the same thing as the higher order skills required to function at a critical level in a democracy.

    People who cannot read and write can still vote – thumb print etc. But how does one choose WHOM TO VOTE FOR, how does the voter critically assess a parties’ policies etc?

    This requires higher order skills such as analysis, evaluation and synthesis/creation if I may use Bloom’s taxonomy, a foundation of educational psychology.

    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayefSTAnCR8

    The majority of the population, though certificated, do not possess these skills. In the absence of these skills, a majority of people will use surrogate, non-rational decision criteria such as personality, charisma, if the person is friendly, gives them money, use catch phrases e.g. “Mia Cares” etc.

    So literacy – conceptualized as ability to read and write – is a moot idea. In other words, if the educated population of Barbados were tested on the higher order skills as outlined in Bloom’s taxonomy, I surmise that a majority would score very far below 98%!

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  • @ Ironside

    Wow! We need more people like you. More power to BU.

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  • @Hal
    I am surprised at you…

    Unwrapped some of the old talk and it is the same racist bull craps use against African Americans at earlier times

    “But the most formidable voting barrier put into the state constitution was the literacy test. It required a person seeking to register to vote to read a section of the state constitution and explain it to the county clerk who processed voter registrations. This clerk, who was always white, decided whether a citizen was literate or not.”

    We are not there yet, but I suspect literacy tests would come down the pipe sooner or later.

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  • @ Theo

    Plse explain

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  • @Vincent Codrington December 1, 2019 4:24 PM

    Re: @ David Bu at 3:29 PM

    I am not too sure of the point you are trying to make. A third party will just create a Triopoly and a fourth party a Quadopoly. Will that create the kind of Society or Polity you imagine. Are you sure that Vincent is the only one striving after Utopia.?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    Vincent, you are over-simplifying the argument using labelling. There is also some cynicism here as David suggests.

    By fencing with such terms as Triopoly and Quadopoly, you are short-circuiting and shutting down the thinking/discussion process. Are you also suggesting that you have no hope at all for your fellow country men either?

    But I get the point: there is need for TP with an articulated, distinctive, workable philosophy backed by policies and plans to execute them. That is going to take time and pressure from the electorate. That is, if the electorate wants a third party! We here on this blog are part of that pressure group.

    But it is not fast food we are talking about! Companies sometimes take years to hammer out a strategy, even a mission statement every body can agree on!

    So far, the new TP is fire-fighting. Understandably so. But this must only be a temporary stage.

    A agree that any serious TP must develop a clear cut long-term strategy that all party members AWA Bajans can understand, commit to, be enthusiastic about and follow. So let’s set aside the cynicism and roll up our sleeves and start being a part of the solution (no pun intended).

    If we are serious about a third party we need to help it along.

    So I ask you and the blogmaster or anyone else: what mission statement, vision, values, philosophy should this TP have?

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  • @Hal, – Last exchange on this matter
    We have the voters that we have.

    Phrases like those below cause me to shudder as they are some of the same arguments one heard in the past and even today when it comes to black voting. Only in the US a more complete package is offered and not the lite version..given here.

    “The ability to read and write – even to do basic ‘rithmetic” – is not the same thing as the higher order skills required to function at a critical level in a democracy.

    People who cannot read and write can still vote – thumb print etc. But how does one choose WHOM TO VOTE FOR, how does the voter critically assess a parties’ policies etc?

    This requires higher order skills such as analysis, evaluation and synthesis/creation if I may use Bloom’s taxonomy, a foundation of educational psychology.”

    Excerpts from the document now provided
    https://www.albanylaw.edu/centers/government-law-center/Documents/The-Quest-for-Black-Voting-Rights-Liebman.pdf
    Delegate John Ross, who voiced numerous arguments in support of disenfranchising black voters, stated
    “they are a peculiar people, incapable, in my judgment, of exercising that privilege with any sort of discretion, prudence, or
    independence. He added that black people were, like aliens or minors, denied the right to vote because “they are deemed incapable of exercising it discreetly, and therefore not safely, for the good of the whole community.”

    Date Samuel Young said, “The minds of the blacks are not competent to vote. They are too much degraded to estimate the value or exercise with fidelity and discretion that important right.

    Delegate Peter Livingston added, “Ask yourselves honestly, whether they have intelligence to discern, or purity of principle to exercise, with safety, that important right?”

    Chief Justice Ambrose Spencer: [H]ad no hesitation to say, that with regard to the blacks, whatever we have to accuse ourselves of,
    from our own fault, or the fault of our ancestors, we have the unquestionable right, if we think the exercise of this privilege by them will contravene the public good; we have a right to say they shall not
    enjoy it.

    —————————————-xxx—————————————
    Quite often, I see phrases on BU that if expressed by a white person would be considered as racist. I make a mental note and move on

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  • TheO:

    An excellent contribution. There is nothing new under the sun.

    We are our own worst enemy. Some of our biggest failures have learnt the worst of what kept us down, repackaged it, and then try to perpetuate the practise.

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  • Wuhloss
    According to BT

    “Cabinet has announced that the former Attorney General of the United States of America, Eric Himpton Holder, has been awarded the Honorary Award of the Order of the Freedom of Barbados”.

    I remembered a blog post a few years ago when the DLP named a centre after him and was roundly criticized as opportunists by some on these pages. Once again time is proving to be longer than twine and “Boychild” is still waiting.

    BTW who or what is Noel Maddocks?

    https://barbadosunderground.net/2011/10/22/eric-holder-gate-at-tamarind-hall/

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/12/01/eric-holder-to-receive-honorary-award/

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