Submitted by Charles Knighton
“Jesus was the first gene-spliced man. Human mother, divine Father.” Shekinah Medical Centre advertisement, “Gene Therapy“, April 14 Sunday Sun
The idea of divine beings producing children with human mothers is as ancient as mankind itself. Zeus was so prodigious in the siring of offspring with human mothers that an entire cadre of Immortals, such as Hercules, came to permeate much of Greek mythology. That such beliefs are scoffed at today by many of the same individuals who believe their God impregnated Mary simply demonstrates the grip superstition continues to hold on minds that should have evolved more fully over the millennia.
The action of a man who volunteers to die for his fellow men is universally regarded as noble. The extra claim not to have “really” died makes the whole sacrifice tricky and meretricious. (Thus, those who say “Christ died for my sins,” when he did not really “die” at all, are making a statement that is false in its own terms.)
Having no reliable or consistent witnesses, in anything like the time period needed to certify such an extraordinary claim, we are finally entitled to say that we have a right, if not an obligation, to respect ourselves enough to disbelieve the entire claim of Jesus’ Resurrection.
Hercules was not the son of Zeus. Jesus is not the Son of God. Can we not believe this and yet still find his precepts for living with Earth’s fellow inhabitants worthy of emulation? Or are Jesus’ prescriptions and proscriptions only valid if tinged with the Divine?
Take this cup away from me, not my will BUT THY WILL BE DONE… BUT THY WILL BE DONE…
Jesus the acclaimed Son of God in a realistic show of human characteristics pray to his Father to remove the death sentence that hangs over his head
How often has we human walk a road of desperation and asked God to remove the thorns that are standing in our way
Jesus also has said that He and the Father are one
However in this most extraordinary time of his life when he faces death he removes himself from being the Heavenly Father and accepts Gods will to be done
What is also revealing that Jesus knows that his final moments on the earth was approaching
A moment and/ with a finality of physical death
You see what I mean about people who read and have no understanding?
“…There are also passages in the Bible where God is acknowledge as HIM
In all possibility the HIM reinforces the Father Son and Holy Ghost relationship all which would apply to the male gender…”
Matthew 22
“…For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven…”
A finite and foolish mind seeking to ascribe to Omnipotent Deity a gender.
And the Sand Devil, a true Bible Illiterate, Of the Grandmaster Degree of Illiteracy, chiding the Honourable Blogmaster for not allowing her illiterate self to put up her idiocy about the Bible here on BU
But she is writing a book, like Buddy Larrier also wrote a book, so that gives the dufus licence
STEUPSEEE
Once more
The Reality of this article is that, no matter how you slice it, “God is a personal experience”
And, unless you have that experience, no proxy, no voice of Brother, or Sister, or pastor, priest or apostle, or illiterate, will make His Existence true for anyone other than yourself.
When the scientist in me first sought to prove My God, i was carried down a strange road.
Again, this is my own experience and WILL NOT BE YOUR OWN.
Mine started variously but finally I encountered THE TETRAGRAMATON יהוה
Few of you here barring Dr GP and
Pachamama
(I have obeyed you both regarding the sentence thing)
Few of you understand TETRAGRAMATON יהוה because your search WAS NOT LIKE MY SEARCH
AND THEREFORE, what I needed, and still need to be shown, is the empirical evidence that GOD exists and that Jesus the Christ who rose today, and every day, forever, is the Son of God.
Again I say very loudly, this Belief in GOD is a personal thing, so while it has been indelibly written in my soul, it will roll off many of your individual backs, like water off a duck.
If you read, sparingly, AND CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT WHICH YOU READ, (which is the case of many people her, and the wider population) you will have great difficulty understanding GOD, and Jesus the Christ of the Order of Melchizidek.
And the Bible…
But I will not ramble you too much today with this mystery because I know that, few of you will understand the Mystery, and Mastery, that is GOD.
I will not speak of “… and a golden leaf was wrought like a crown, having engraved on it the four [letters] of the name which only those whose ears and tongues are purified unto wisdom may hear or speak in the holy place, and by no one else at all in any place whatever…”
Does this sound like something employed in the Talmud? Or Quran where it is forbidden to…?
NOR will I speak of what is pye… and why this mathematical symbol, the diameter of The Circle can never be resolved
“…π is an irrational number, which means that it cannot be expressed exactly as a ratio of two integers; consequently, its decimal representation never ends and never repeats.
Moreover, π is a transcendental number – a number that is not the root of any nonzero polynomial having rational coefficients.
The transcendence of π implies that it is impossible to solve the ancient challenge of squaring the circle with a compass and straight-edge…”
Nor will de ole man speak of pi and its relationship with Ouroboros…
Nor will I speak of What is ” I am He…”
( Nor will I explain the password your ssh spy found, nor why those of you who seek me can not take me…)
But i will give the 2 of you who do understand the TETRAGRAMATON this incontrovertible proof
“…3. Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.
4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he (or π extracted from the Greek characters/letters πιπι) And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, (π) they went backward, and fell to the ground.
7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: (pi or pye, go and check the original writings which were not in Latin dufus) if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
And had Jesus the Christ said “I am He” three times that night, they would not have Taken him but you would have to read much more to find that…heheheheh (are you a travelling man?)
“…That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none…”
There is nothing wrong with the Incontrovertible Word of My God, but it is just that, as Dr. GP constantly tells us, that there are many of wunna “brimlers”, who seek to dabble in the Mystery of GOD
and you have not ever read enough to understand the etymology far less the Mystery of the Word
Then you come here and babble and put up internet pictures to substantiate your poor understandings.
But babble on
Thank you Dr GP, Happy Easter and may your spirit continue to be renewed in the Knowledge of Our Saviour who has risen and is risen today!
Your assistance please with an item here Honourable Blogmaster
Mr. Theolgeon PDYR
Jesus knew of his impending death
Yet he prays to have the death sentence removed
Why would he pray to removed a death sentence which is now revered by the church as a “saving of mankind”
Why would Jesus not pay the price willingly as a sacrifical lamb knowning that his body /himself would return to this earth in human form three days later?
My Beef is not with Jesus .God or the Ressurection
But with the teachers and those who interpret the bible in ways that seem uncommon and illogical to the human understanding
Experiencing or beliving in The Word negates a full understanding of spirituality which starts with unlocking the moral code that is within or mind and steadfastly seeking to have a closer walk with God in the manner and way Jesus did
This hocus pocus religious dogma of untruths which is continually taught by the church does nothing for the spiritual life but keeps both the spirtual and physical life locked into a dormant and unsatisfying life like a walking dead.
@ Mariposa…We Can Know Him in a Personal Way and Understand What the Word Plainly Teaches …
The God of the scriptures is a holy being. Man is commanded to be holy because God is holy (Lev. 11:44–45; 19:2). God can be known only by revelation. He must be revealed or remain forever unknown. God first revealed Himself to Adam and has repeatedly made Himself known by revelation to chosen patriarchs and prophets since that time. God the Father and His Son have been manifested by voice, sight, or otherwise at various times, as at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16–17), the Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1–8), to Stephen (Acts 7:55–56.
Heb 1-3…1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
He Wants To Reveal Himself To His Children … By This We May Know The Truth Of All Things…
It is Written
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PIECE
WHEN I WAS 22 YEARS OLD I WENT TO MEDICAL SCHOOL
I PRACTICED MEDICINE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND LEARNED MUCH MORE
THEN I BASICALLY WENT TO MEDICAL SCHOOL AGAIN WHILE TEACHING
IN FACT I STUDIED HARDER AS A TEACHER THAN WHEN I WAS A STUDENT
THE POINT I AM MAKING TO BE ABLE TO TEACH MEDICINE I HAD TO STUDY AND LEARN THE COMPONENT SUBJECTS IN MEDICINE
I HAVE STUDIED THE BIBLE FOR 50 YEARS, AND HAVE READ THE COMMENTARIES OF SOME OF THE MOST LEARNED AND RENOWNED BIBLE EXPOSITORS
BUT FOR TEN YEARS I HAVE ENDURED THE MOST ASSININE AND IGNORANT THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD I HAVE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE ON BU BY MORONS WHO CAN NEITHER BACK UP THEIR FOLLY WITH RELEVANT TEXTS, OR RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH………..BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED
THEY DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED…AND WILL NOT LEARN
AND THEY THINK THAT THEIR NONSENCE AND MORONIC MOUTHINGS WILL STAND UP AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT
Mariposa
My personal experience with Christ validated His existence to me … one summer morning God took me from my car and into the sky and showed me a glimpse of Heaven, and this experience in of itself confirmed to me His existence more so than the Holy Spirit He gave me some four decades earlier or my knowledge of Scripture…
Spotlight on “Doubting Thomas”
Have you ever been at a point where you felt that you couldn’t go on unless God stepped directly into your life and made His presence known in no uncertain terms? Maybe you’re there now. The disciple Thomas was there when he declared:
John 20:25b – Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it. (NIV)
Thomas is unfairly remembered as “Doubting Thomas” because he wouldn’t accept second-hand information about the risen Christ. Thomas hadn’t been present when Jesus revealed Himself to the other disciples after His crucifixion. He wanted more than their reports. Remember that he, too, had recently endured the utter devastation of everything that mattered. His Master was gone, and the Jesus Way was at a screeching halt, fallen apart, blown to smithereens. No wonder Thomas insisted that Jesus step into his life and reveal His identity.
I ask: Was that a sign of weak faith? Is it ever a virtue to ignore the heart cry and settle for second-hand knowledge of the risen Christ?
In our former years, we may have been content with what others taught about Christ. We comfortably rested our faith in their faith. But we didn’t know what to trust Christ for because we didn’t know Him for who He truly is. Our faith was yet to be forged through our own encounter with the revelation of the risen Christ.
Jesus didn’t chastise Thomas for wishing to see evidence. Instead, Jesus paid Thomas a visit and personally revealed His nail-printed hands and pierced side. Jesus added, “Do not continue in your unbelief, but believe.” (John 20:27b NET) I put it this way: “Thomas, stop suspending belief and believe for yourself. Furthermore, Thomas, thus far you’ve trusted Me as your earthly Master. Now you must trust in Me as I truly am: God!”
That day, Thomas saw more than nail prints. Thomas saw Jesus as God! That’s not seen through natural eyesight, but through spiritual sight. Thomas responded with a profound declaration of belief: “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28b NIV) Thus, this disciple more truthfully should be remembered as “Believing Thomas”!
You and I cannot step back in time and see those nail prints. In any event, our faith doesn’t rest on natural senses, nor does it depend on revelations of His deity to others. That’s shallow faith which washes out during trials and temptations. It can’t sustain us through challenges. However, challenges can make us cry out for revelations of Christ as Lord. That’s when we proclaim our own declaration of faith, and utter, “My Lord and My God!”
Jesus gave Thomas a delightful promise for all who come to such full-fledged belief: “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (John 20:29b NIV) May that be said of each of us! May each of us continue to seek His presence —
WHEN EVER YOU READ ABOUT THOMAS YOU SHOULD GO IMMEDIATELY TO I PETER 1:8 BECAUSE THIS VERSE SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THOSE OF WHOM JESUS SPOKE IN John 20:29b
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
What does 1 Peter 1:8 mean?
1 Peter 1:3–12 is one of the most loved passages in all of Scripture. It begins as a blessing to God, but also describes how incredibly He has blessed us in Christ. Because Jesus has risen from the dead, our hope is not a wish—it is as alive as He is. Our inheritance as God’s children is eternal, full of glory, and secured forever. Even in our suffering, we have every reason to rejoice. The mystery of God’s plan has been revealed to us in Christ. We are being saved!
Christianity—our faith in Christ, the Son of God—is not about a process or a system or a philosophy. It’s not a way of looking at the world or improving ourselves as human beings. It’s about a person. It’s about trusting and loving a person.
Peter had seen Jesus, and had been personally trained by Him. Peter knew and loved Christ as a man, and as God, based on three years of personal, face-to-face experience. Peter saw Jesus alive after seeing Him dead. The vast majority of the believers reading Peter’s words had never seen the Messiah with their own eyes. Peter seems to marvel at their believing and loving Christ without seeing Him. Maybe Peter was remembering what he heard Jesus say to Thomas, who believed in the resurrection only after personally seeing Jesus’ wounds: “…Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29).
As in verse 6, Peter assumes that faith and love this concrete, this real, results in real rejoicing. Saving faith in Christ brings with it a joy which can’t be expressed. Words can’t contain it. It’s a joy full of glory, reflecting our future with Christ in the moment in front of us. Again we see that the choice to rejoice, even the middle of our trials, is an act of faith. It doesn’t require soaring emotions, but it certainly can contribute to them. Joy flows from our growing confidence in the Christ we love.
Mariopas
Yes Jesus did prayed to His Father to have His death sentence removed …but you also have to remember that the Jesus was both human and Divine at the same time …so the question them becomes: did Jesus suffered in His humanity or in His divinity?
WHY IS I PETER 1:8 SO IMPORTANT TODAY?
“Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:”
Whom having not seen you love:
Peter knew that though he had seen Jesus, both before and after the resurrection, most every Christian in the early church had not seen Jesus. Yet they loved Him. Jesus was no less real simply because they had not seen Him.
Christians in the contemporary church have not not seen Jesus either but there is an equality between the believers in the present time, and those who lived in the time of the incarnation; for Christ, to a believing soul, is the same to-day that he was yesterday and will be for ever.”
The word translated “joy inexpressible” “occurs only here in the New Testament, and describes a joy so profound as to be beyond the power of words to express.”
Our joy is no ordinary, earth-born joy.
AMEN and praise be to God
Thomas was not a stupid man
Thomas was not doubting
Thomas was being obedient
Thomas remebered what Jesus told him that there would be a time when people would say ” look he is here and there” and not to belive them
Thomas acted on those words in obedience to what Jesus had told the disciples before his death
Now here we have another revealation where Jesus speaks to his disciples of his physical death where he indicates that his apperance in flesh after his death would not be made known to them
The Resurrection in the Book of Job
One of my favorite places about resurrection of the old testament is actually in the oldest book in the Bible: Job. When Job was at the very end of himself, having lost everything and having been ridiculed and question by his closest friends, he turned to God and the hope of the resurrection as he declares:
“Oh that with an iron pen and lead they were engraved in the rock forever! For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. My heart faints within me” (Job 19:24-27 ESV)!
The teaching of the resurrection begins in the Old Testament. It is not a novel conspiratorial concept concocted in the minds of desperate disciples after the crucifixion of Jesus. Resurrection has been prophesied, taught, and anticipated, just as Jesus said.
I want to pause here lest doctrinal teaching is not applied personally. Perhaps, you feel as Job felt when all the world came crashing down upon him and death was a dark specter that haunted him day by day. But those dark clouds of despair had to be dispersed when Almighty God implanted the truth of the resurrection in Job. The sunlight bursts through the stormy skies of that great man’s soul and he could not help but proclaim: “I know that my Redeemer lives and that I shall see him with my own eyes.“ This Faith, a gift of God, will bring you the same hope: a “living hope” that dispatches golden beams of hope through the claustrophobic fog of despair.
What a glorious Resurrection truth in the Old Testament. What a wonderful Savior in our hearts. What a solid rock in the storm. But we could go to many other places in the Old Testament. Consider Daniel as he testified in the courts of the Persian empire. Even exile and the humiliation of servitude could not suppress the glorious doctrine of new life that bubbles up throughout all of the Bible:
“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt” (Dan. 12:2).
The Resurrection Was Realized in the New Testament (the Gospels and Acts)
“But,” perhaps, a cynic replies, “these citations are isolated scriptures and could have alternative meanings.” Then let us go to the New Testament. Let us not merely go to the first-hand accounts of the women in the graveyard, crying out, “He is risen!” Those eye-witness accounts may be too obvious. Rather, let us drop in anonymously with the diverse congregation, people from all over the Roman empire, who are listening to Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost in Jerusalem. Read this and tell me what is the centerpiece of Peter’s preaching?
“This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. For David says concerning him, “ ‘I saw the Lord always before me, for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken; therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; my flesh also will dwell in hope. For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption. You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence’” (Acts 2:23-28 ESV).
“Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. [my emphasis]” (Acts 2:30-32 ESV).
Let us turn to one other significant passage.
The Resurrection Is the Hope of Humankind (1 Corinthians 15)
The Apostle Paul taught that the resurrection is the glorious centerpiece to all the banqueting table of redemptive history. The resurrection is of necessity the gravitational force of divine Truth that holds eternity-past and eternity-future together as one single plan of God. How important is the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah?
“But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins” (1 Corinthians 15:13-17ESV).
But Paul answers the question and in doing so demonstrates that the resurrection of Jesus the Christ is the truth that transforms everything:
“But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:20-21 ESV).
The Resurrection Overtook Death. The Message Is Unstoppable.
Just years after the resurrected Christ ascended into heaven—again, with witnesses observing—the light of God’s truth that Isaiah had prophesied was going to the ends of the earth. The light of the gospel of Jesus Christ, his crucifixion and resurrection, not only illuminated the plight of human beings but magnified the power of God. Hope replaced resignation. Life could be lived with the assurance of sins forgiven and a new way of living established: with the certainty that “whoever believes in me, though he die, yet he shall live. And whoever believes in me shall never die” (John 11:25-26).
The entire known world was turned upside down with the message of the resurrection of Jesus the Messiah. And every time I have entered a sanctuary where a casket housed a dead body and mourners, I have entered with a loud voice, “I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE . . .” For the resurrection, like a dazzling diamond, never shines so brilliantly as when it is placed in front of the dark pall of death. The resurrection ushers in hope and assures us that what is hoped for is true and lasting.
But there are some who say that the Bible never really taught the doctrine of the resurrection. That whole matter of resurrection was something that was invented by Paul or by Peter or by one of the others. Nothing could be further from the truth. Consider three— only three of so many—biblical categorical affirmations of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Let’s begin with the old testament.
The Resurrection Was Prophesied in the Old Testament (Job, the Psalms and Daniel)
Misguided students and unscrupulous scholars of Scripture have sometimes erroneously claimed that the concept of the resurrection is absent in Judaism; and, therefore, an unknown idea in the Old Testament. Such false teaching (or to be more charitable: “ignorance”) not only denies the very words of the Old Testament but also defies the very teaching of Jesus. For our resurrected Redeemer revealed to the disciples on the road to Emmaus the truth of the Old Testament and His resurrection:
“Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” He asked them. Then, “beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.” (Luke 24:13-27).
If that theory is true then somebody should have told King David that “resurrection of the deceased human body by God was alien to the ancient Hebrew Faith.” For David in the Psalms speaks with spectacular specificity about the resurrection of the One to come:
“Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest secure, because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your faithful one see decay” (Psalm 16:9-10).
Simply reading what Jesus told his disciples about his death and warning them of what to expect during and after his death is sufficient and enough to understand that Jesus being in human form experienced life and death as all mankind
His life was one to teach mankind how to live a selfish life manifested and demonstrated by him while he walked this earth even to becoming the ultimate sacrficial lamb in order that mankind can experience a spirtual and natural walk with His Heavenly Father
All the other supernatural religiuos dogma imposed on the sheep does not matter to me
Much of which will be handed to the christian sheep and handed to them in a Easter basket across many Churches today
people all!
listen to the unlearned illiterate moron
Thomas was not doubting
Thomas was being obedient
Thomas remebered what Jesus told him that there would be a time when people would say ” look he is here and there” and not to belive them
NOW IF THE MORON COULD RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH THE OLD DEVILISH BIBLE ILLITERATE THAT HER QUOTE ABOVE COMES FROM THE OLIVET DISCOURSE AND REFERS SPECIFICALLY TO THE MATTER OF CHRIST’S SECOND COMING
Thomas acted on those words in obedience to what Jesus had told the disciples before his death
WHY DID THOMAS ONLY ACT “on those words in obedience to what Jesus had told the disciples before his death” AS CITED BY BU’S TOP BIBLE ILLITERATE? DID NOT THE OTHER TEN DISCIPLES HEAR THE SAME TEACHINGS OF CHRIST? SO ONLY THOMS WAS OBEDIENT AND NOT THE OTHERS?
Now here we have another revealation where Jesus speaks to his disciples of his physical death where he indicates that his apperance in flesh after his death would not be made known to them
THE SENTENCE ABOVE MAKES SENSE ONLY TO AN IDIOT OR A DEVIL AND CONSUMATE BIBLE ILLITERATE!
IT HAS BEEN WELL SAID “DOGS AMONGST DOCTORS” AND WE HAVE A CASE OF A VERY COMMON CUR TRYING TO TEACH HAVING NOT LEARNED
THE BIBLE ILLITERATE AND DEVIL WAFFLES ON
His life was one to teach mankind how to live a selfish life manifested and demonstrated by him while he walked this earth even to becoming the ultimate sacrficial lamb in order that mankind can experience a spirtual and natural walk with His Heavenly Father
WE ARE NOW TAUGHT THAT JESUS’ life was one to teach mankind how to live a selfish life
SURELY THIS POSITION CONTRADICTS THE CLEAR TEACHING OF PHILIIPIAN 2:5 et secq
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
To answer the Question Directly… the Atonement Started in the Garden of Gethsemane and Finished on the Cross of Calvary because he had to die.
He did Cry Out in the Garden not because he was afraid to Die He Cried out because the Sins of the world was so Heavy to bear that it made even God Cry Out and Bleed from Every Pore and to ask if it were possible that the Bitter Cup be removed saying Not My Will but Thy Will be done.
If anything then,… this possibly becomes a more thorough and comprehensive understanding of the nature of the Lord’s Sacrifice.
Understanding all of this should humbly bring us to our knees in repentance. For who among us would wish to bring injustice to another because of our own actions? Indeed, what manner of men are we that would willingly subject another, which now includes the Purity of His Presence within us, to any form of injustice because of our own willful unrighteousness? Just as we may cry out today in sadness and personal disdain because of the injustices we observe around us treacherously committed by the professional ruling class of the media, politicians, judges, lawyers — so does the Lord cry out to us in the conduct of our own personal lives as He witnesses and patiently endures our own sins of omission and commission.
But the Lord knew of the possibilities of all our happenstance from the very beginning. He knew of the sacrifice He was to make if mankind would be saved. He knew even that portion of His Spirit so gifted to us in the beginning would nevertheless be patiently made to bear the shame and pain of being subordinately “present” to “serve” with our sins — for again, “God so loved the world.” (See: John 3:16-18; 1Peter 1:18-20)
And too, He knew from the beginning that even though he was not guilty for our sins, it was only His Eternal Sacrifice that could ‘pay’ for our sins and wipe away our transgressions by the shedding of His Blood. For the activities of the Creation were executed by Him, even the Word, commanded of Him by His Heavenly Father. (See: John 1:1-5) Moreover, the Creation itself was literally made from and commanded by His Eternal Substance. Thus, His Eternal Substance is the foundation of everything within the Creation, both physically and spiritually, which by default makes Him literally the “Alpha and the Omega,” the beginning and the end of all Creation.
Thus, under the purview of His Heavenly Father, the entirety of the Creation was literally spun from the “stuff” of His Very Eternal Flesh and Spirit. And being solely of Him, the creation could only have arose and come to be from His Sole Command. Because of His indivisible, inextricable and inseparable connection to the Creation itself, He alone is solely capable and hence solely responsible for “curing” and “saving” all that was created by His Personal Eternal Sacrifice. (See: John 1:1-5, John 3:49-63) What He created was from Him, and of Him, having been in Him and was executed through Him. This is why Christ was the only One who could have provided the atonement. Nobody else could even remotely qualify.
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I rightly divide reading and taking Jesus words and commands to his disciples as the truthfulness of what he meant
People who want to sit and egotized themselves into beliving that there words are the only truth are living in a world of grand delusions
Jesus words are the measuring stick by which i stand
His last Supper
His pray to his Father the night before he died
And his commandments to his disciples during his physical walk on this earth
Was the Resurrection Real or Just a Story to Push Forward an Agenda?
There is no question about whether this resurrection of the Nazarene is metaphorical or physical. Over five hundred people saw Him, many of whom would live to the twilight of the first century. These witnesses could have unmasked Paul, Peter, James, and the others as mad-men had they another story to tell. There would have been profit in doing so, for the message of the resurrected and living Jesus was wrecking entire economies built on archaic, sensual religions of mythology and mirth.
Instead, “the Way” grew by leaps and bounds. Imprison the Apostles and their cells became chapels. Bind them with chains and shackles and their prisons became parishes. Dispatch the most highly-trained and loyal palace guards, and the captors became Christians.
To the utter dismay of violent antagonists, lengthy imprisonments following kangaroo court trials were but leisurely catechetical periods resulting in faith in Jesus by the highest officials in the realm. The resurrection changed everything. Nothing would be the same again.
Religion was supposed to be a cultus of rituals based upon folktales, mythological heroes and heroines, representations of the metaphysical and untamed powers, local and national deities designed to explain the mysteries of life and death with sticks and stones. But Jesus was history. You could speak of time, place, his birth, his life, miracles, death, changed lives and new life. In Jesus Christ and his resurrection God entered time. Mankind was no longer alone to create stories to make sense of the inexplicable, but God’s story had intersected with their stories—our stories, to bring Grace and Truth. Everything had changed nothing could ever be the same. You want to know the Gospel in its simplest affirmation? “Christ has died. Christ has risen. Christ will come again.”
The Resurrection Was and Is a Cause to Die For
All of the Apostles would die for the message of the resurrection except for John, who would suffer for it, and die as an old man in the parish of Ephesus. Thomas would go to India and be martyred at modern-day Chennai. Mark went to Egypt and died while preaching eternal life in Christ. Other extra biblical literature of the day would say that Joseph of Arimathea went to Britain. Celtic traditions tell of a Welsh king who was captured by Román soldiers and brought to Rome. While under house arrest, he heard the gospel and brought the Christian faith and its beautiful message of the resurrection back to the British Isles. The Roman empire had built its fortunes on the cult of the Roman emperor, but within years, despite unprecedented persecution, the amphitheaters constructed to kill Christians for bloodthirsty sport became magnificent stadiums—veritable giant pulpits and sanctuaries— to proclaim the risen Christ.
When u can rightly divide the word and explain what Jesus words at his last supper Do This in remeberence of Me indicates or correlates to His physical appearance in three days after his death
Then i would be opened to listen to u
Until then u can go ahead and spew preach to the choir
hear the bible illiterat waffleing on
I rightly divide reading and taking Jesus words and commands to his disciples as the truthfulness of what he meant
Jesus words are the measuring stick by which i stand
And his commandments to his disciples during his physical walk on this earth
THEN SHE TEACHES US AT April 21, 2019 8:36 AM THAT
His life was one to teach mankind how to live a selfish life manifested and demonstrated by him while he walked this earth even to becoming the ultimate sacrficial lamb in order that mankind can experience a spirtual and natural walk with His Heavenly Father
JUST DISSECT WHAT THIS DEVIL HAS SAID
1 His life was one to teach mankind how to live a selfish life A SELFISH LIFE?
2 manifested and demonstrated by him while he walked this earth JESUS MANIFESTED AND DEMONSTRATESD A SELFISH LIFE AS HE WALKED THE EARTH? REAALY ?
3 even to becoming the ultimate sacrficial lamb JESUS BECAME A SACRIFICIAL LAMB BY LIVING MANIFESTING AND DEMONSTRATING A SELFISH LIFE? REALLY?
4 in order that mankind can experience a spirtual and natural walk with His Heavenly Father REALLY/ HOW EXACTLY DOES ONE LIVE ” a spirtual and natural walk with His Heavenly Father ” DOES NOT THE BIBLE CLEARLY TEACH THAT A SPIRITUAL AND NATURAL WALK ARE UNCOMPLIMENTARY?
ARE WE NOT READING THE WORDS OF A MORON OF THE HIGHEST ORDER OF ASSTINESQUE PROPORTIONS
HAS THIS IDIOTS BRAIN ALSO UNDERGONE DYSPLASTIC CHANGE TO SMOTTH MUSCLE TISSUE?
DOES SHE ALSO HAVE A UK APHASIA AS CITED BY THE PEDANTIC DRIBBLER
The oldest book in the Bible addresses the greatest existential questions of every age: “If a person dies, will they live again” (Job 14:14)?
The holy Scriptures not only raise the question that is embedded in the heart of humankind, the Bible also answers that question and does so with astonishing and unambiguous directness.
The resurrection of Jesus Christ is the undeniable centering point of Christianity, the defining doctrine of our faith, and the most audacious claim in the history of the world: a God-Man, sent from heaven, crucified in the most public way, dead and buried in a rich man’s tomb, which sepulcher was sealed with inscrutable security by the mighty military powers of the Roman Empire, and then—a dead man who called Himself Almighty God—lives.
The corporal person of Jesus of Nazareth exists today. He is not buried. He lives in a resurrected physique. And even more astounding: because He lives, all who die with faith in Him will also rise body joined to soul.
Five hundred people saw Him
Then Jesus would have told a lie when he specfically warned his disciples “not to belive those who said they had saw him after his death”
Jesus words not mine
I rather belived Jesus words where there is nothing to divide or interpret
Look at u a beliver spitting and cussing on this Easter Morning
I a devil advocate as u have stated remains calm as a cucumber
DONT LET US LIVE SELFISH LIVES AS THE BU MINDLESS FALSE TEACHER SPEWS
INSTEAD CONSIDER THESE THOUGHTS
How can we learn to die to self? With 1 Corinthians 15:56-58 as our guide, we can learn to live out every day in light of Resurrection Day. Here are seven ways to get started …
Recognize your sin for what it is. When you closely examine your own sinfulness, that’s when you realize what’s really going on in your heart. It’s very easy to think “I’m a good person.” But are you? Really? If others knew your thoughts and motives, would they think the same? When the Holy Spirit goes to work in our lives, he exposes and convicts us so that we will change.
Keep a proper perspective of your state. He is God. And we are not. In your day-to-day decisions, how often do you consult your heavenly Father? Is it just a weekly occurrence in prayer time at Bible study or in your Sunday School class? Or an infrequent, arrow prayer whenever you’re in a jam and need some speedy heavenly help? What would your life look like if you submitted everything to God at all times?
Give thanks where it is due … to God! Do you begin each day with thanksgiving? When you wake up, do you immediately count your blessings? When you grumble and complain, do you try to counteract that by focusing on the good in your life? Will you choose to count everything joy because God is God, and he is Jehovah Jireh?
Worship the One who saved you. What are your current debts? A mortgage? A car note? School loans? If someone paid off your costliest obligation, how would you feel? What about the One who has paid the biggest amount of all—your spiritual debt? You could never pay for it yourself. So give your worship, adoration and praise to the risen Lord who has. He died in your place, and his blood has covered your sins.
Keep your focus and don’t waiver. What gets you off course in your life? Certain friendships? Entertainment choices? Emotional issues? Bad habits? What obstacles are getting in your way and preventing you from living a life that responds to the Resurrection? Remember that in Christ, you are a new creation. You are no longer dead in your transgressions. Leave the past behind, throw off whatever hinders you and live for Christ!
Put God first and give him your all. God put us first. He gave us his firstfruits, his son Jesus Christ, who died for our sins. What are your firstfruits to God? What are you giving him as a sign that your life belongs to him? Do your priorities, your schedule and your checkbook reflect your desire to put him first in your life? Do they show that he is Lord of your life?
Be heavenly minded while on earth. “You’re so heavenly minded, and you’re no earthly good.” Yes, it takes effort to not get lost in the clouds and to put hands and feet to our faith. What we do here on earth does matter, so do pursue the eternal while doing some earthly good. What is your part in reaching others with the Good News? Are you following Christ’s example of devotion to you (on the cross) as you serve others?
‘I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!’ (Gal. 2:20-21)
This jesus is no more real than Santa Claus!
We are surprised that a normally sensible person like PIECE would have drank the cool aide of his titular biblical master. A man who, himself, is as ignorant as a rock.
In both cases, we hear and read their dogma. For example, they talk about accounts supposedly written hundreds of years after the purported incident, but these pseudo-scholars cannot allow readers to know such.
The best historical evidence suggests that none of the characters mentioned ever existed. That all the fake records cited were concocted by the Piso family of Popes, in a number of Councils, over a many centuries, including up to the early 1970’s.
And everything these dominantly White people have pretended to know was a lie.
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Look at u a beliver spitting and cussing on this Easter Morning
NOT AT ALL I AM TEARING YOUR RUBBISH TO THREADS JUST LIKE HOW JESUS DENOUNCED THE PHARISEES AND SADUCEES AND THE PRIESTS AND SCRIBES
I a devil advocate as u have stated remains calm as a cucumber
AND I AM HERE QUIETLY AND CALMLY SHOWING THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE A SEMI ILLTERATE WHO CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORDS YOU ARE USING AND SHOWING THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE A TOTAL BIBLE ILLTERATE
YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT AFTER TEN YEARS YOU WOULD HAVE LEARNED THAT YOU ARE NOT LIKE JESUS IN TEMPLE AS A CHILD ARGUING WITH THE DOCTORS OF THE LAW
YOU ARE A BUMBLING FOOL AND A COMMON CUR. KEEP BARKING AND BRAYING AND BRIMBLING
YOU ARE A SOURCE OF GREAT MIRTH AND HILARITY JUST LIKE THE DEVILS SONS WHO APPEAR HERE ON BU
Still u cannot explain (away) the meaning of the Last Supper as a memorial to Christ physical death and His physical ressurection three days later
Furthermore u cannot explain (away) why Jesus told his disciples not to answer the calls of those who said they had seen him after his death
See what i mean
By their words and deeds the bible warned
You should know them
Physician heal thyself
Carry on smartly
Pressure busts pipes( not found in the bible) but true
@PACCHYMAMA ANOTHER INFIDEL AND SON OF SATAN
HERE HE COMES WITH SCUM ASCENDING
FROM HIS LAIR IN THE ABYS OF HELL
ANOTHER DEVIL HIS JUNK A SPOUTING
FROM HIS MASTER HE HAS LEARNED VERY WELL
Religion is like politics, it seems. We all go to our predetermined corners and only come out to trade punches. There is no real attempt to understand.
SMH.
@ MARIPOSA THE MORON
Still u cannot explain (away) the meaning of the Last Supper as a memorial to Christ physical death and His physical ressurection three days later
WHAT IS THERE TO EXPLAIN?
AT THE PASSOVER SUPPER RECORDED IN JOHN 13- WHICH WAS A MEMORIAL THAT FORETOLD WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THIS PARTICULAR PASSOVER TIME WHEN THE REAL PASSOVER WOULD OCCUR JESUS INSTITUTED A MEMORIAL THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE TWO ORDINANCES OF THE CHURCH
HIS FOLLOWERS WERE TO BREAK BREAD AND DRINK OF THE FRUIT OF THE VINE AS A REMINDER OF HIS DEATH. THEY WERE TO DO THIS UNTIL HE RETURNS
IN ACTS 2 WE SEE THE EARLY CHURCH CARRYING OUT THESE INSTRUCTIONS
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
IN 1 CORINTHIANS 11 WE READ PAUL DISCCUSSING THIS ISSUE
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.TO THE
Furthermore u cannot explain (away) why Jesus told his disciples not to answer the calls of those who said they had seen him after his death
I REALLY CANT DO THIS….SIMPLY BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT GIVE ANY SUCH INSTRUCTION TO ANY OF HIS DISCIPLES AS IS CLEARLY EVIDENT BY PETER’S SERMON ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST
Today we see in the news that Pope Francis has condemned the bombing of a church in Sri Lanka.
While we have some respect for the titular decency of this Francis, there has never been an accounting for the crimes committed by the Christian church against all of mankind.
Indeed, nothing less than the preparation of a ‘big fire’. A fire as hot as the “Sun’, is therefore necessary to extinguish this Christian wickedness from the earth. A fire to be brought on the face of the Great Mother.
Pachamama is making ready such a fire for the purveyors of this nonsense throughout the earth.
Religion is like politics, it seems. We all go to our predetermined corners and only come out to trade punches. There is no real attempt to understand.
MAYBE RELIGION AND POLITICS
BUT TEACHING THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR
THE GREEK IN WHICH THE NT WAS WRITTEN IS A VERY EXACT LANGUAGE
AND THE HEBREW IN WHICH THE OT WAS WRITTEN IS AMAZING ALSO
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE CLEAR INSTRUCTION OF 2 TIM 2:15
2 Timothy 2:15, KJV: “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15, NASB: “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.”
What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean?
After commenting about false teachers in the previous verse, Paul urges Timothy to view himself as a worker seeking to please God. Any worker or servant should desire to satisfy the expectations of his or her boss. Timothy was to view his work for God in the same way. He was not serving to please other people, but to please the Lord. Paul knew well the many ways the world can distract a Christian’s focus. These worldly forces would seek to draw Timothy’s attention to making people happy, rather than viewing the Lord as the one to please.
Timothy’s challenge is not only to be approved, but to be a worker “who has no need to be ashamed.” Paul had already spoken of not being ashamed on three occasions in the previous chapter (2 Timothy 1:8, 12, 16). During times of suffering, Paul felt the need to emphasize boldness in faith to those tempted to avoid hardship and persecution. His boldness also involved “rightly handling the word of truth.” In contrast with the false teachers who argued over words, Timothy had learned the Scriptures from his youth and was to handle it accurately.
The distinction presented here is important. In the prior verse, Paul condemned pointless bickering. Here, he commends deeper study. Putting these two ideas together gives us an accurate picture of what Christian discernment is meant to look like. There are some issues which involve the “soundness” of the gospel message, and others which do not. We need to study diligently, not only to defend the faith, but to know the difference between something worth battling over, and something which is just a distracting argument.
THOSE WHO SEEK TO TEACH AND PONTIFICATE ON THE WORD MUST STUDY IT AND BE ABLE TO SUBSTANTIATE THEIR TEACHING BY THE WORD
@ Dr. GP
Forgive her the 2nd of the illiterates
She, being devoid of adequate education, meant to say selfless not selfish
That is the thing fellow myope because she does not understand the basic English language, she cant even recant and say she was wrong.
Just like the other illiterate when challenged about her incorrect statements about Gethsemane and Golgotha could not come back and say “I was wrong” the debt WAS NOT PAID IN GETHSEMANE BUT ON CALVARY.
Yet, even in this small thing, even here, this person who would speak and say she worships Christ, cannot say I was wrong.
She has to say something about speaking directly…
But she is a Christian and wants thd Honourable Blogmaster to give her a blog
This is why I have such disdain for her, because of what she and her Sand Dwellers did to “my sister Angela…”
I cannot forget them AND I WILL NOT…
PACHYMAMA RESIDENT BU SON OF SATAN AND BIBLE ILLITERATE SAYS A fire to be brought on the face of the Great Mother. AND OTHER RUBBISH
DOES THE IDIOT NOT KNOW THAT SUCH A FIRE HAS ALREADY BEEN PREPARED BY GOD AS DESCRIBED IN REVELATION 17
CERTAINLY HIS DADDY HAS INSTRUCTED ABOUT THIS IN THEIR LAIR IN THE ABYSS
HAS HE NEVER READ , OR HAS HE ALSO MISINTERPRETED JAMES 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Georgie Porgie
Question Mr. Bible Scholar: I am not sure but in John 10:30 Jesus said I and the father are one … meaning that He was equal to God … But in Acts 7:55 it is said that Stephen full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. How do you explain the latter scripture as compared to what Jesus said above?
PIECE
RE She, being devoid of adequate education, meant to say selfless not selfish
I DISAGREE WITH YOU HERE SIR
HER DADDY, THE DEVIL GOT HER TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT SHE MEANT
IF YOU READ MY DISSECTION OF HER ERROR YOU WILL SEE THAT HER NONSENSE COMES FROM A DEVILISH HEART AND MIND SPAWNED DIRECTLY IN THE BOSOM OF THE DEVIL IN THE ABYS
Calling disbelievers by well-worn epithets will not win this argument. Neither will the use of forgeries from THE book of lies.
The most ignorant Christian here, as writer, claims to know the rules of evidence, from academia.
Well, in those circles independently verifiable sources are what must be brought to the bar. Not from the very book of lies which is being challenged.
And this foolishness about resorting to mysteries to hide Christian wickedness will no longer provide sucker.
Or the oft repeated claim that those who are the adversaries of the Christian cabal of wickedness are somehow ignorant, can no longer pass muster.
Certainly, the ad nausium repeating of the same old lies from a much discredited text is at least a violation of the academic standard to which there is a sometimes pretension.
In short, one cannot with a straight face, both claim to be a serious academician and a believer of proven lies or unproven phenomena, at the same time.
JESUS AND THE FATHER AND THE SPIRIT ARE ONE IS THE CLEAR TEACHING OF SCRIPTURE
THEY ARE ONE IN ESSENCE
THREE PERSONS –ONE GOD
THIS IS UNDOUBTEDLY ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT CONCEPTS IN THE SCRIPTURE TO UNDERSTAND
I BELIEVE IT JUST LIKE I BELIEVE ALL THE DIFFICULT CONCEPTS I LEARNED IN PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY AS I EXPOUNDED ON EARLIER IN THIS BLOG………… AND I DONT APOLOGIZE FOR MY FAITH IN BIBLE OR SCIENCE
I speak of warnings specifically coming from Jesus mouth which needs no interpreters but are specifically used as indicators or warnings to his disciples as to what to expect and what not to belive in reference to those who said they saw him after his death
Thomas was a beliver and follower of Christ and most likely latched on to Jesus words in his time of obedience to Christ
@ Pachamama the Sojourner
I have travelled far in my search.
Really far.
I have “seen” much, things that many WILL NEVER SEE NOR KNOW IN THEIR LIFETIMES.
And like I said in my opening statement above, it is here that I stand now.
These are my beliefs
I believe in One God, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, Indivisible…
When the student is ready, the teacher comes
When God is birthed in you, you can try to turn His Presence off, but as for me, I will strive to keep Him on in my life.
Call Him the Opiate of the people or whatever, when I get high on Him, I feel good.
I was not able to go to church today for various reasons but
I am home alone here sharing with Dr. GP AND MY SPIRIT IS SOARING.
And if you knew what I was dealing with, and you understood that, because of his words about The Word has my spirit soaring, then you could understand This Coolaid
I will leave you here to discourse a little and go see what is going on elsewhere
Certainly, the ad nausium repeating of the same old lies from a much discredited text is at least a violation of the academic standard to which there is a sometimes pretension.
In short, one cannot with a straight face, both claim to be a serious academician and a believer of proven lies or unproven phenomena, at the same time.
THE TEXT IS DISCREDITED BY THOSE WHO HAVE NOT PROPERLY STUDIED IT AND BY THOSE ON WHOSE LIVES IT HAS NO IMPACT
I HAVE PROVEN THE BIBLE IN MY LIFE AND MANY PERSONS HAVE
I HAVE NOT PROVEN A LOT OF THE PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY AND OTHER THE SCIENCE I LEARNED
THE BIBLE PREDICTED THE RISE OF THE MEDO PERSIAN EMPIRE AND THE GREEKS THE ROMANS AND THESE THINGS CAN BE SHOWN TO HAVE OCCURED JUST AS THEY WERE PREDICTED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL IN SOME COMPLICATED DETAIL
THE BIBLE ALSO PREDICTED
THE RISE OF THE ANTICHRIST
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FALSE CHURCH
THE REIGN OF CHRIST IN THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM
AND HIS COMING IN GLORY TOO
THE BIBLE ALSO PREDICTED THE JUDGEMENT OF MORONIC INFIDELS AND DEVILS AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT TOO UH LIE
The bible discredits itself. We’ve never had any real interest and never will. We know well the purpose for which it was concocted. However, our interests in this issue relates the forces around such ignorance. Its defenders must come to such a knowing, not believing
John 14: 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
In the old world, the Savior, when appearing to the apostles, beckoned them to feel of the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet, saying “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” (Luke 24:39)
The Only Personage of the Godhead that is a Spirit is The Holy Ghost.
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We’ve never had any real interest and never will.
SO THEN HOW CAN YOU DISCUSS IT YA DEVIL?
YOU HAVE NO INTEREST AND YOU HAVE NOT STUDIED BUT YOU SPEW YOUR MORONIC MOUTHINGS THAT YOU GOT FROM YOUR DADDY THE DEVIL
RE Its defenders must come to such a knowing, not believing
YA BIBLE ILLITERATE I JOHN 5 EXPRESSLY TEACHES THAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE TO KNOW
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
ALL THAT I KNOW EVEN IN SCIENCE IS WHAT I BELIEVE
I KNOW ALSO THAT YOU CAN NOT REFUTE THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLE PREDICTED THE RISE OF THE MEDO PERSIAN EMPIRE AND THE GREEKS THE ROMANS AND THAT THESE THINGS CAN BE SHOWN TO HAVE OCCURED JUST AS THEY WERE PREDICTED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL IN SOME COMPLICATED DETAIL UH LIE?
@ Maraposa… Each of us are at different levels in our Spiritual Development those who think they are the Teachers of the Gospel and revert to name calling and condemnation should rethink their positions because frankly when they do that they think themselves better than others. All I can say is May God have mercy on me who am a sinner. We Should Live and Let live, Learn and allow others the benefit to progress at their own pace. The Spirit that resides with man and influences his conscience is the Greatest Teacher of all…hence it is written that the Truth is inscribed on our hearts it only needs to be revealed.
The Bible declares that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10-11 ; Isaiah 44:8 ) and that he has eternally existed. The psalmist declared “from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” (Psalm 90:2 ) The Christian God has always existed as God and has never been less than He is today.
How Do Become Like Our Father In Heaven…
The word of God is the fundamental dynamic of spiritual growth.
“…the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thess.2:13)
“And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up…” (Acts 20:32)
“The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” (Ps.119:130).
Jesus and the word
The scriptures refer to the Lord Jesus as the “The Word of God.” “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1). “And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.” (Rev.19:13).
Therefore, everything that Jesus is, the word must be; God’s attributes and character must be perfectly reflected in His word. If God is absolute, the same must be true of His word, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”(John 17:17). Contrary to the opinion of the darkened mind of man, Truth is never relative…it is absolute!
Examples of comparisons between the Lord Jesus Christ and the word of God:
Salvation
Salvation is found in Christ, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12).
The word of God also contains the power to save, “For by grace are ye saved through faith…” (Eph.2:8) and “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Rom. 10:17).
The word of God, operating in conjunction with the Holy Spirit, has the supernatural ability to cut to the heart and soul, convince and convict of sin. (John 14:26, 8:7-9) “…the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Eph.6:17). “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul.” (Ps.19:7).
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23).
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.” (James 1:21).
Everlasting life is revealed in a Book…believing and trusting God’s word imparts eternal life, “…thou hast the words of eternal life” (John 6:68). “Holding forth the word of life…” (Phil.2:16).
By His word of Truth which is His Spirit He is able to Mould us like he is…After all He is our Eternal Father… Matthew 5:48 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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Georgie porgie
Kiss yuh mudder’s cunt
You have never had any interest that spirituality was invented by afrikans. Indeed, everything about you is eurocentric. Is there not a contradiction.
No consideration that that book has been deployed to enslave afrikan peoples. Indeed, your first slave ship was called jesus.
Anybody who is black and still holds on to western chritianity is a fucking idiot. And you georgie porgie represents the epitome of such idiocy.
Pachamama
April 21, 2019 9:41 AM
Today we see in the news that Pope Francis has condemned the bombing of a church in Sri Lanka.
While we have some respect for the titular decency of this Francis, there has never been an accounting for the crimes committed by the Christian church against all of mankind
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Why don’t you itemize the major crimes of which you speak and I will try and see if I can put them into a historical context!!
List say four or five of the ones which offend you most and lets go from there.
BUT I BELIEVE AND KNOW THAT YOU CAN NOT REFUTE THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLE PREDICTED THE RISE OF THE MEDO PERSIAN EMPIRE AND THE GREEKS THE ROMANS AND THAT THESE THINGS CAN BE SHOWN TO HAVE OCCURED JUST AS THEY WERE PREDICTED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL IN SOME COMPLICATED DETAIL UH LIE?
I BELIEVE AND KNOW THAT THIS CAN NOT BE REFUTED
For East is East and West is West and never shall the twain ere meet…
POOR LIKKLE PACCHY BOY YA CUSSING LIKE A PIRATE MAN
RE You have never had any interest that spirituality was invented by afrikans.
WHY SHOULD I? IT AINT TRUE JOHN 4 TEACHES THUS IN VERSES 23-24
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Indeed, everything about you is eurocentric. Is there not a contradiction.
HOW IS THERE A CONTRADICTION? I AM BAJAN AND NIETHER AFRICAN OR EUROPEAN AND I DONT CARE TO BE EITHER
No consideration that that book has been deployed to enslave afrikan peoples.
SO WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ME SUH?
Indeed, your first slave ship was called jesus.
NICE NAME FOR ANY SHIP NOT SO?
Anybody who is black and still holds on to western chritianity is a fucking idiot. WHY IS THIS SO SUH?
And you georgie porgie represents the epitome of such idiocy. YES I CONFESS THAT I HAVE A GOOD GRASP OF THE WORD OF GOD…AND I LOVE TEACHING IT. LOL
NewsX Explained: Who was behind the Sri Lanka bomb attacks? Everything we know so far about Easter Sunday explosions
The attacks on Sunday recalled the worst days of Sri Lanka’s 26-year civil war, which claimed up to 100,000 lives. Serial blasts in Sri Lanka update: At least 207 people were killed and more than 450 critically injured after eight explosions took place in Sri Lanka during Easter congregation on Sunday, April 21, 2019.
Meanwhile, seven people have been arrested over the attack. While two explosions were reported in St. Anthony’s Church in Kochchikade and Negombo Katuwapitiya Church, another explosion took place in Kingsbury Hotel and 3rd floor Shangri-La hotel in Colombo.
Reports said another explosion was reported in Zion Church in Batticaloa. The death toll is likely to go up since many people are critically injured. Another blast occurred near capital’s Zoo which claimed two more lives as the multiple blasts in Sri Lanka have claimed hundreds of lives so far.
BBC News
Published on 21 Apr 2019
At least 137 people have been killed and hundreds more injured in explosions at churches and hotels in Sri Lanka, police and hospital sources say. At least seven blasts were reported. Three churches in Negombo, Batticaloa and Colombo’s Kochchikade district were targeted during Easter services. The Shangri-La, Kingsbury, Cinnamon Grand and a fourth hotel, all in Colombo, were also hit. A curfew has been imposed from 18:00 to 06:00 local time (12:30-00:30 GMT). The government also said there would a temporary block on the use of major social media networks. No group has yet said it was responsible for the attacks.
.. who would vandalise 800 + Catholic Churches in France in 2018.
Who burnt Notre Dame?
Maybe the same White clansmen, the kkk, who for centuries burnt black churhes.
Video of Unidentified Man on Notre Dame’s Bell Towers 30 Minutes After Fire Starts
Posted on April 16, 2019 by Kevin Whiteman
http://kevinwhiteman.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/iuBO90VY5M.jpg
Towering yellow smoke, a sure sign of large amounts of sulfur burning.
In a live television broadcast from RTVE.es of Spain, a sharp-eyed individual with a cellphone camera caught five seconds worth of the Notre Dame Cathedral that raise more questions than answered.
With no restoration workers reportedly on-scene in the early evening hours, a certain individual was seen scurrying across the bell towers attired in what appeared to be flowing robes and some kind of white covering wrapped around his head.
But view it for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1117938596952993793
Couldn’t care less who vandalize those catholic churches
But what i do care about are the many impoverished hands from foreign and poverty stricken lands that help to build those churches
The Bible states
Be not be deceived for whatever mankind sows that mankind would also reap
Most revealing and aptly applies to the doom and gloom that is reigning terror on the catholic church
For many will be called and few shall be chosen
Mariposa
April 21, 2019 3:32 PM
But what i do care about are the many impoverished hands from foreign and poverty stricken lands that help to build those churches
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Name some of these foreign and poverty stricken lands from which the impoverished hands originated!!
… and about which you so deeply care!!
Lets start with Haiti
While we have some respect for the titular decency of this Francis, there has never been an accounting for the crimes committed by the Christian church against all of mankind. – a la Pachamama
Most revealing and aptly applies to the doom and gloom that is reigning terror on the catholic church – a la Mariposa
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What is the difference between the catholic church and the Cristian church?
Could the two of you emerge from your fog of ignorance for a moment and address this simple question!!
Mariposa
April 21, 2019 3:45 PM
Lets start with Haiti
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Oh Lord, muh belly.
Haiti came into existence in 1804.
Notre Dame was built centuries earlier … as were most of the Catholic Churches in France!!
Where did i make mention of Notre Dame Cathedral
Or any of the churches by age period
I asked a question of you and Pachamama … you answered!!
The Cathedral in Koln is just as impressive but Notre Dame is in the City of Lights and Koln is City on the Rhine whose most famous product is …well… Cologne.
Interestingly there was an unspoken agreement between the warring nations that the Cathedral be spared the aerial bombing that took part over Germany during WW11.
There is some surviving video of a tank battle that took place in the shadow of the Cathedral in Koln during WW11
q What is the difference between the catholic church and the Cristian church?
a NO DIFFERENCE — THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS CATHOLIC OR UNIVERSAL
BUT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH STARTED AROUND AD 300 AND THE TRUE CHURCH STARTED AROUND 33 AD AT PENTECOST
THE TRUE CHURCH WILL BE RAPTURED SOON
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL BE DESTROYED AS DESCRIBED IN REVELATION 17
John do u know the difference between Independent and existence
Wuh loss muh belly
1804???
There you go again…
Mariposa
April 21, 2019 4:13 PM
John do u know the difference between Independent and existence
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Mariposa, can you answer the simple question?
All I want you and Pachamama to do is to say exactly what you mean!!
If you take the time to analyse what GP is saying and investigate its precision, you may learn a thing or three!!
Haiti is a corruption of Ayti which the Taino name of the land the Spanish caused Hispaniola!!
The French called their half Saint Domingue, the Spanish their half Santo Domingo!!
The word Haiti thus came into existence in 1804 and refers to only half of the original Ayti!!.
Just trying to get you to be more precise in your exposition.
When I was 11 going through confirmation classes at the Cathedral with Dean Hazelwood I was given the following to learn:
Q. What is the Holy Catholic Church?
A. The Holy Catholic Church is the Union of All faithful Christians under one Head.
She is the mystical body of Christ (1 Cor. 10)
She is the Bride of Christ (Eph 5 vs 22-end, Hymn 747)
She is Christ’s Kingdom on earth (Hymn 675)
She is the household of God (Collect for Trinity)
She is a Divine Institution not a human invention. (Mat. 16, 13-20)
Q. What are the marks of the Church?
The marks of the Church are four:
She is One
She is Holy
She is Catholic
She is Apostolic
Q. Why is the church one?
The Church is one because she has one Lord, one faith and one baptism. (Eph 4, 1-6)
Q. Why is the Church Holy?
A. The Church is Holy because she offers to all the means of Holiness and because the Holy Ghost dwells within Her.
Q. Why is the Church Catholic?
The Church is Catholic because She teaches all the faith to all the people at all times and in all places.
Q. Why is the Church Apostolic?
A. The Church is Apostolic because she gets her ministry from Christ through the Apostles. (Hymn 352)
I can’t remember it all but I can remember where in my nots to find it and know how to use the references in the Bible, Hymn Book and Prayer Book to confirm my understanding.
The point is that there is always an element of precision which materially assists with understanding … eg Haiti … but you need to take the time to search for it.
At 11 I was shown how to do it although I admit I am not a very good example of its application!!
https://youtu.be/Z8XVILm-sn8
The Dominican Republic … not Santo Domingo.
It was Santo Domingo before it became the Dominican Republic … or was it the Spanish Republic of Haiti.
“After more than three hundred years of Spanish rule the Dominican people declared independence in November 1821. The leader of the independence movement José Núñez de Cáceres, intended the Dominican nation to unite with the country of Gran Colombia, but no longer under Spain’s custody the newly independent Dominicans were forcefully annexed by Haiti in February 1822. Independence came 22 years later after victory in the Dominican War of Independence in 1844.”
This precision thing is a hassle!!
“The Dominican Republic is a Caribbean nation that shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti to the west.”
It looks like the Dominican Republic came into existence in 1844!!
The Haitians who came into existence in 1804, invaded and annexed the lands of the folks in Dominican Nation in 1822 until the folks in the Dominican Nation rose up 22 years later and fought a war to gain their independence from Haiti.
Imagine that, Haiti could fight wars!!!
I always thought it was a poor backward country, taken advantage of by France and due reparations … or atleast that’s what our historians tell us!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic
https://youtu.be/xYQv5q8gQNw
So where did bankrupt Haiti get the 60 million francs it paid France as reparations?
It levied high taxes on the Republic of Spanish Haiti which it annexed.
Haiti was thus a colonial power in its own rights.
Any reparations France might misguidedly pay Haiti in the future should it seems go to the Dominican Republic!!
I wonder if the Ambassador to CARICOM knows he is quite happily dealing with an erstwhile Colonial power.
History can be funny!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Hispaniola
So Grasshopper, thanks again, twice in a day, this time for sending me to look at the simple facts of History.
I think this about made my day!!
Yesterday I discovered this link.
It is amazing how much the world owes Winston Spencer Churchill!!
Charles the Hammer Martel
Charlemange his grandson.
Where are their statues?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/us/louisiana-black-church-fires.html
They are still at it!
David
Missing a comment
@Pacha
Hit the backspace on your browser see if that helps and copy and paste. Failing you can ask GP if he commanded a divine intervention.
That is what I’ve always done, but for some reason it didn’t work this time. No worries.
We do not attach such powers to minions.
@Lexicon
April 21, 2019 10:01 AM
“I am not sure but in John 10:30 Jesus said I and the father are one … meaning that He was equal to God … But in Acts 7:55 it is said that Stephen full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. How do you explain the latter scripture as compared to what Jesus said above?”
In John 5:17-47 (KJV) shows the Relationship between The Father & The Son.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise…
The link provided to John 5:17-4 allows you to read and gain a fuller understanding…
Read More @
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+5%3A17-47&version=KJV
https://biblepic.com/53/26250.jpg
Some Louisiana History is clearly in need!!!!
Part I
Through the Louisiana Purchase of 1804 from France the newly independent Nation of America (USA) procured not only some of the actual state of Louisiana but lands up to and into Canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase#/media/File:Louisiana_Purchase.png
Besides some of the actual state of Louisiana, America gained lands that would ultimately add much of the states of Montana, North and South Dakota, Wyoming, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, New Mexico, Texas, Oaklahma and Arkansas.
Louisiana comprised lands controlled by the French west of the mighty Mississipi.
No prizes for guessing Louisiana got its name from a former French king.
Historically, up to 1804, this land was controlled by France and Spain.
Up to 1795, Indigo was the main crop of Louisiana.
Once the economy of Haiti, sorry, St. Domingue, Haiti had not yet come into existence, had been destroyed by the slave revolt of 1791, sugar prices soared and ways were sought by the French to replace the sugar output of what had been their most profitable colony.
One way was to find methods of growing sugar cane in the shorter growing season of southern part of the French controlled territory of Louisiana.
The other was to produce sugar from beet in Europe and to this end Napoleon offered incentives to scientists to come up with a manufacturing process.
Clearly, this would take time but would remove the need to ship the commodity from the New World to Europe where its ultimate market was situated.
The manufacture of Sugar in the state of Louisiana is credited to Jean Etienne de Boré, the son of French colonists, born in Kaskaskia, Illinois Country, then under French control as part of La Louisiane
Magic year, 1795, I reckon forced by the economic reality of the collapse of the Saint Domingue economy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Étienne_de_Boré
There is of course, another crop associated with Louisiana.
Grown for hundreds of years, cotton has been a vital part of the state’s economy.
In the early 1700s, cotton cultivated in the state was used mainly for home spinning and weaving.
It wasn’t until the invention of the cotton gin later that century (magic year 1795) that cotton became a cash crop in Louisiana.
The economy of the southern part of the Louisiana Territory thus came alive in the 1790’s as those displaced from Haiti … sorry, Saint Domingue, Haiti was not yet in existence, …. sought an outlet for their energies. capital … and slaves.
Down in the British West Indies, the pressure for more land to profit from the “windfall” of the demise of Saint Domingue was great.
Unlike Louisiana, climate in these nether regions was perfect for sugar cane, just needed more land and Barbados was tiny!!
Trinidad was taken from the Spanish in 1797 and Demerara added to British Guiana in 1815!
Did you know that Guyana produces not one but two sugar crops?
Part II – Louisiana History – Understanding the origins of the black population in Louisiana
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-u-s-states-had-the-most-slaves-at-the-start-of-the-civil-war.html
State, Slaves in 1860
Virginia, 490,865
Georgia, 462,198
Mississippi, 436,631
Alabama, 435,080
South Carolina, 402,406
Louisiana, 331,726
North Carolina, 331,059
Tennessee, 275,719
Kentucky, 225,483
Texas, 182,566
Missouri, 114,931
Arkansas, 111,115
Maryland, 87,189
Florida, 61,745
Delaware, 1,798
New Jersey, 18
Nebraska, 15
Kansas, 2
Here is how the slave population grew in the US, 1790 to 1860.
https://www.google.com/search?q=slavery+statistics+1700s&biw=1366&bih=606&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=rcI3doa_jZqQkM%253A%252CQJmgrFNNmLAqyM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTrkd5RuKlf0fs697q3b1VLf96oqQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9zd37puThAhUFW60KHQF1BqkQ9QEwDnoECAkQCA#imgrc=8l87IXBXukICaM:&vet=1
.. in pictorial form by state
https://www.google.com/search?q=slavery+statistics+1700s&biw=1366&bih=606&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=rcI3doa_jZqQkM%253A%252CQJmgrFNNmLAqyM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTrkd5RuKlf0fs697q3b1VLf96oqQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9zd37puThAhUFW60KHQF1BqkQ9QEwDnoECAkQCA#imgrc=jAXuigbt_l6bPM:&vet=1
@ John,
In the 1850s a large number of poor whites (Redlegs) left Barbados to settle in other Caribbean islands. Do you know anything about this?
By the way, you do a better job about Barbados history than our professionals with their PhDs.
Here are some more statistics on attacks against African American churches in the US.
By year from the 1800’s to present.
The data set may or may not be complete.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_African-American_churches
If you were to look at the data set as it stands, what differences if any over the years do you see?
Hal
This article might help … haven’t read it but it looks like what you want.
Not sure if you can get to read it for free or if University association is required but you can judge from the preview if the $10.00 us is worth it.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/27851027?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
When you read this rubbish from the current leader of the Anglican church below, you understand the level of knowledge of the Word of God in the country…
Instead of teaching them he is handing out Easter eggs
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/239411/christians-chided
CHRISTIANS ARE GETTING a rebuke from one of their leaders for not doing enough to spread the true meaning of Easter.
Anglican Bishop of Barbados Michael Maxwell scolded them yesterday after observing that people knew more about Christmas than this season of sacrifice, which was the pillar on which the Christian church was built.
Delivering the sermon at the St Michael’s Cathedral on Resurrection Sunday, Maxwell, who once taught religious education at The Lodge School and Christ Church Foundation, said students could recite the meaning of Christmas with authority, but often came up short when asked about Easter.
“They would tell me they eat Easter eggs, they fly kites, but they never tell me they go to church to celebrate the basis of the faith. When I asked them about Christmas, they know the story because they get gifts at Christmas.
“That’s because we as Christians have not been doing very well in passing on the foundation of our faith, because if the little ones don’t understand what Easter is all about . . . , then something is wrong,” he declared.
HOW MORONIC AND ASSTIN-ESQUE
@Hal
“In the 1850s a large number of poor whites (Redlegs) left Barbados to settle in other Caribbean islands. Do you know anything about this?”
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Jill Shepherds article in Caribbean Studies “A Historical Sketch of the Poor Whites of Barbados: From Indentured Servants to ‘Redlegs'” talks about this.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25612631
@PLT,
Thanks. I have seen that. I am looking for a more detailed discussion. In 1850 they went to St Vincent, others move to Grenada – and eft in the 1970s for Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. I am looking for more than just a Google or speculation.
@Hal
It’s the Institute of Caribbean Studies, neither Google nor speculation.
@ PLT
Thanks. I am familiar with that article. My curiosity goes beyond that. But thanks again.
@Hal
You’re welcome.
There is also Karl Watson’s 2000 article in The Journal of Caribbean History “Walk and Nyam Buckras”: Poor-White Emigration from Barbados, 1834–1900.
There is Jill Shepherd’s 1974 article that I pointed out in Caribbean Studies.
There is Thomas Keagy’s 1972 article in Revista de Historia de América which John pointed out.
There is G. W. Roberts’ 1955 article in Social and Economic Studies. This deals extensively with emigration, but does not dis-aggregate White Barbadians from Black Barbadians.
Jill Shepherd also published a book “The “Redlegs” of Barbados: their Origins and History” which I read several years ago but do not own. My recollection is that it does not go into much more depth about emigration than her 1974 article.
Beyond these you will probably need to rely on primary sources like the records of the Barbados Superintendent of Emigration.
I think what you will find is that the Bajans (regardless of colour) who had the get up and go, got up and went.
What’s left is all there is!!
Not much get up and go left!!
I once hiked overland to Kaieteur Falls in Guyana with some friends, first overseas hike.
In the middle of nowhere, … Kangaruma Landing … there were a few shacks and a shop which was owned by a fellow called Baje.
He got the nickname because he “looked like a Bajan”.
Turns out the shop had been owned by a Bajan!!
No electricity, no running water, just basics.
All along the Potaro River which we travelled mostly by boat were dredging camps, diamonds and gold.
Clive Lloyd’s ancestors emigrated from Barbados.
I came across a possible family member whose ancestors emigrated to Brazil … actually two, one from the 1800’s and the other in the 1900’s.
My mother’s Grandfather went to New York in 1903 and took his two eldest sons … no work or opportunities in Barbados.
Similar thing with Father’s side from Trinidad.
His father moved his entire family in 1915.
I remember finding a Bajan Boat Builder who went to “the small islands” ,,, think his name was Rock.
Left his mark in the style of schooners and yachts built down there.
Think he was from the era in which you are interested.
Just got to find the links and once I get the name I reckon I can figure out his genealogy.
Below is a list of the last four African American Churches burnt and vandalised.
Two men are responsible, one was the son of a deputy, the other a black man, Andrew McClinton, who was a member of the congregation of the burnt church.
Mc or Mac are both derived from Irish or Scottish Gaelic. Both forms are popular in Scotland and Ireland. It comes from the Gaelic/Irish word mac which when placed before a name means “son of”. Mc is the same as Mac, these are just a spelling variations when rendering the names in English.
It is not known however if the black man in Bill’s outside child.
All jokes aside, notice the 2016 arson was committed 7 days before the election which Trump won.
Let’s say that McClinton’s motive was to make Trump’s campaign out to be anti black on the eve of the election.
Let’s say he was a Democrat.
That could suggest that McClinton was supporting the Democrats and wanted to see Trump lose at any cost.
Take the logic forward to Holden Matthews.
Let’s say Holden Matthews is a Democrat.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/holden-matthews/
2016 November 1 The 111-year-old Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in Greenville, Mississippi, was burned and vandalized with the words “Vote Trump” spray-painted onto the building. The arsonist, a black man who was a member of the church, pled guilty in March 2019.[22][23]
2019 March 26 St. Mary Baptist Church in Port Barre, Louisiana. This was the first in a series of three historically black churches over 100 years old, burned within a span of 10 days. Holden Matthews, 21, the son of a St. Landry Parish sheriff’s deputy, has been charged with the arson attack.[24][25][26]
2019 April 2 Greater Union Baptist Church in Opelousas, Louisiana. Holden Matthews has been charged with the arson attack.[24][25][26]
2019 April 4 Mount Pleasant Baptist Church in Opelousas, Louisiana. Holden Matthews has been charged with the arson attack.[24][25][26]
Is it possible that these two men simply hate Christianity?