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temporary experiences of one generation could influence the behaviour of future generations
…temporary experiences of one generation could influence the behaviour of future generations…

It has been a mystery up to now how things experienced during the lifetime of an animal (and that includes humans) can affect their descendants. Traditional biological theory says that lifetime events  cannot have an impact on future generations as genetic inheritance relies only on the mixing of genes from the parents – and those genes are fixed and unaffected by events.

There have been clues from scientific studies in the past which show that the frequency of some illnesses such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and obesity are affected by the experiences of previous generations. For example, the children of women who were starving during pregnancy in the Second World War grew up with an increased risk of developing cancer and diabetes. In animal studies, the effects of stress persist for three generations. Until now there has been no mechanism identified by which the effects of lifetime events can affect subsequent generations.

Work by Isabelle Mansuy of the University of Zurich has now identified a mechanism in mice which appears to do just that. She has shown that fragments of miRNA are produced and passed on in sperm in response to stress or long-standing lifestyle factors such as overeating or lack of exercise.

Mansuy’s team looked at the sperm of adult mice that had gone through significant stress – being separated from their mothers at birth – and they found an increase in miRNA molecules. The behaviour of the stressed mice was altered – more daring behaviour than normal, less resilience in situations where endurance was needed. She found the same unusual molecules in the sperm of pups and grandpups of the stressed mice and broadly, the same behaviours.

Effectively, the study shows that the temporary experiences of one generation could influence the behaviour of future generations that were never exposed to the same experience.

So what does this mean for the slavery debate? There has been much said about the psychological and emotional stresses which have been placed on Black people who have been negatively impacted by slavery. Is this scientific confirmation that Black people could still be suffering from the after-effects of slavery?


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29 responses to “Has Science Uncovered the Continuing Negative Impact of Slavery?”


  1. Genetic memory is real.


  2. By estimates there are over 20 million people living as slaves today, so this is what dumfounds me instead of standing up and saying put more money and military into ending this blatant disregard for human rights. Stop this injustice by anyway possible. Some people are wondering how any new snippet of information or mouse test can benefit them because there great .great. great .great .grand father was a slave
    We are all brothers …..till money comes in to play ….as long as I get some thing people currently living as slaves be damned.


  3. genetically if we can looked like our ancestor,,,,there is an increase probability that we can be the recipients of their psychological make up….


  4. Wonder what answers the above has to these two scenarios,which by the the way are factual….

    Slave owner has child by slave,manumits and raises child in his home,child inherits home&property on death of owner,marries one of the owners poor relations and progeny lives on comfortably to this day.

    Slave has child by slave,child is brought up by the slaves,child works hard,purchases himself out of slavery and creates an empire,progeny exists to this day around the world


  5. This article is nonsense!
    Why not post more stuff about how the BBs can really hurt the WBs i.e economically and effect positive change?

    Beyond a certain point all the negative “affirmation” actually achieves the opposite of the intended effect and only reinforces the undesired stereotypes.


  6. The question raised is a fair one. If it is the case that you inherit the parents’ disposition to coronary heart disease or cancer who not also psychological effects? On the other hand, how far back do you go (Lawson’s point)? And is it too like carried over sin for comfort?


  7. Vincent

    Your point is a strong one – but then in science maybe we’re talking about probabilities (induction) rather than universals.


  8. There is a concept in biology called the: Inheritance of Acquired Characteristics. And it falls right in line with what we’re talking about here. Check it out!


  9. Dompey it sounds like you are saying that there will never be a cure for aids
    unless they can get the test mice to screw each other up the ass.What nonsense.


  10. Bushie has to agree with … (Three dots) and Vincent.
    This is nonsense….as Vincent succinctly points out.

    In answer to three dot’s question about empowering BB’s….
    How do you empower a brass bowl?

    Our problems stem from a kind of blindness that is not physical…
    Very often, the children of slaves have used that experience to become slave masters…and the children of the wealthy have become lazy, spoiled and useless….ending up as slaves to drugs, crime, or to other slave masters…

    Right now, our most common form of “blindness” is where we have BBs looking for any easy way to accumulate money…
    Begging, bribery, prostitution, stealing, ….any shiite except by being PRODUCTIVE, CREATIVE and FOCUSED…..
    It would take wise and astute LEADERSHIP to get us out of the rut, but alas, our leaders are the blindest of us all….
    …so we are just digging an even bigger hole for ourselves…..its not one shiite to do with our ancestors experience.


  11. Beyond a certain point all the negative “affirmation” actually achieves the opposite of the intended effect and only reinforces the undesired stereotypes.
    ………………………………………………………………………………….

    I enjoy wondering….another question based on the above comment to which I subscribe

    Suppose a statue of Joseph Rachel or London Bourne two of our first melanin rich entrepreneurs were placed in a prominent location in Bridgetown with their full history at the time of independence…..where would we be today?


  12. Lawson

    Perhaps, there some lithium someway of the shelve for you sir? But I hope I am wrong though because you’re surely, acting like you’re off your rockers to night. Where and when did I mention anything about a cure for AIDS?


  13. @ Vincent
    Suppose a statue of Joseph Rachel or London Bourne ……….. with their full history at the time of independence…..where would we be today?
    ++++++++++++++++
    You looking to make Bushie cuss you now to Vincie?

    WE WOULD BE THE SAME DAMN PLACE…..

    We would have ‘relocated’ those statues long ago to make way for roundabouts – and found some ‘fatal faults’ with Rachel and Bourne that would have branded them as “black traitors and infidels”.
    Don’t you get it?

    Rachel and Bourne shiite!!
    We had shopkeepers around here who were growing to be legends in their own time….
    We had furniture men like Husbands just the other day who looked set for success
    We had Rayside who should have been like an ‘elephant’ compared to COW by now….

    All these and more were SOLD OUT by black politicians looking for favors from NON BLACK supermarkets, …..by IMPORTED furniture sold by NON BLACK retailers …and other “deals and arrangements” in exchange for “campaign contributions”, fancy cars, shopping trips and hard cash provided as BRIBES ….all to facilitate other demographics….

    So forget the psychology, genetics and other shiite talk….the problem is the JUDASES who sold out blacks for various pieces of silver… ..and who continue to do so as we speak – by way of deals like CAHILL, Barrack, and the many other SCAMS that devalue blacks, sell off our hard-earned assets,…..and now take away the little manual labour jobs that barely keep them alive…..

    Lotta shiite!!!,


  14. BT…..Chuckle…Uh fellah cyant wonder …..thanks for the fast forward and yes your scenario may have been the right one,as evidenced by the erection and attempted misnomer of the Emancipation statue(did we really need it?)….boy we up the constitution river without a paddle…


  15. Bushie:

    For this non sense to be possible, genes would have to identified. Having done much work, scientist can not locate the genes even for diabetes. The most they can say is that environmental factors play a large part. They even searched for the genes for alcoholism; that too fizzled out.

    But going with the thought here, I would say that it is then possible that all of Britain have the genes for bulling as bulling it has been practiced by the British for centuries!!


  16. the article is not nonsense,,,, our physical;and psychological makeup are all connected ,,,,,in human form we appear as single or individual ,,however we are all physical and psychological receptors of genetic markings from our past ancestors, most of us would have at some time heard people tell us that we remind them of a relative who we might have never seen or met,,,,in different ways ,,maybe the way we speak,,our mannerism,,our expressions,,,, which can be connected to a past relative deceased or maybe alive and most likely one which u might not have ever seen or known…,,therefore it can;t be all that far fetched that experiences which our ancestors have lived have psychological genetic markings in many ways which are tranformed or transmitted within our memories as cautious reminders,,not necessarily to inflamed but to teach and to guide,,,however what we choose to do with such information is another story in itself,,,,,,

    vincent haynes in his effort to convince brought to table two different scenarios one which a person with plenty squanders ,,and the others with nothing progress,,,,,,,,interesting as they might be,,,,,,one has to take into account that the need for survival might be the driving force which would compel,,all,, which is the last scenario,,the first sceanrio..the opposite is true,,,,the need for survival was not a hindrance,,,,having born with a gold spoon in the mouth,,,,he knew no other way,,,in this case his environment formed his decisions,,,,,however with the after effects of slave,,one cannot discount that blacks need for survvival has been a compelling and driving force to survive,,,nevertheless on the other hand the reality of psychological damage is an extensions of pain left over from the effects of slavery their ancestors endure,,,,not unlike death where the deceased is remember for generations even though grieving becomes less painful the psychological markings remained alive within each generation for years,


  17. Lemuel

    Are you saying that gayness is to be associated (a) with the British, or (b) with white people and that otherwise it is wholly unknown to the black race? Or are you now going to say that so far as practiced by the black race it was a colonial legacy?


  18. @Bush Tea

    The Doctor’s findings punches a big hole in your theory that the crucible of life in this phase is a design component by BBE for everyone of us to pass or fail….lol.

    Imagine the cheek if:

    T

    heir work suggests that the process relies on tiny fragments of RNA in sperm that can pass “echoes” of environmental experience down to future generations.


  19. Ross;
    If you want to come here and accuse the good white people of being congenital “bullers”, do not use my good name in your escapade!!


  20. @ David
    Surely you can recognize bullshit when you see it….

    …all the “Doctor’s findings” do is reinforce Bushie’s theory that a disproportionately high percentage of people with titles are even bigger brass bowls than the ordinary man-in-the-street variety…
    Doctor shiite….
    …you know how easy it is to get such a title?….just follow instructions for a few years…..


  21. David:
    Did you review what James V. Kohl wrote; he is saying that his research is indicating that these changes are nutrition related and not behavioral. He is in the comments section. Why he may have a point is that the research indicated that there was evidence of “altered glucose metabolism”.


  22. David:
    Yale has done a lot of work with miRNa.


  23. Lemuel

    What good name?……smiley face


  24. How to explain that the Jewish peoples, persecuted for millennia, survive so well in the US? Why do these refugees from generations of pogroms in Europe, flourish in Hollywood where they virtually run the film industry? What about ALL women, repressed until relatively recently in the West and continuing to be treated like secondary citizens to be bullied and abused and owned in many parts of the world today? Does this mean that men who were born into a misogynistic culture grow up into bullies and that their sisters develop into compliant victims? What has turned the tide here? Why, today, do we now espouse and enshrine in law, equality of sex, race etc? How did that happen, given the genetic proclivity to repeat the past as proposed?


  25. Homosexual” Animals Do Not Exist
    Victor:

    Here is my scientific proof; where is yours?
    In 1996, homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admitted that the evidence pointed to isolated acts, not to homosexuality:

    Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.[11]
    Despite the “homosexual” appearances of some animal behavior, this behavior does not stem from a “homosexual” instinct that is part of animal nature. Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain, explains:

    Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals…. For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.[12]


  26. Ross:

    I have been warned by Bushie that you now have a knight in shining armor. one Amused!!


  27. @Lemuel

    BU pointed to the rigour of the research in an earlier comment. It makes for interesting debate – the line between the emperical and supposition will always be drawn.


  28. Lemuel

    Amused? Well yeeeeeeeeeess. I love him, every little incarnate bit of him, not so much as my knight but as my exalted shadow in the wide open stage of the world. Besides BT, the surface thug but substratum softee, simply feels the pains of a broken heart. First Island, now me. I guess he’ll make out. I hope so anyway.

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