Stepping Stones for the Understanding of the CHRIST and the Return of CHRIST

Submitted by NineofNine

It matters not what what the atheist thinks THE CARNAL MAN CANNOT comprehend THE THINGS OF SPIRIT.

The FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST / true Christians HOLD THE KEYS to the philosophers stone, the Holy Grail, the Fountain of youth and by that, it is meant to convey that once the Christian purports to follow divine instructions delivered by the man Jesus himself, then at the opportune time we will reap all the glory that is found in being an individualize SPARK of Divine Source found in each one of us.

Though many expect to see the glorious return in the heavens of the Deity known as Jesus, (as this too is possible), may you at this time peer at a different perspective relating to “Jesus Return” or rather the return of the Christ/THE RAPTURE.

Adam the first man (CREATED from the dust of the earth) fell from grace, and by covenant, the Messiah was promised, was fulfilled and was/is referred to as the New Man (by BIRTH) of Jesus (the Christ) who in turn promise to send the Holy Spirit to teach and guide into all things.

Who or What is “the Christ”?

Jesus himself (being the first BORN of the new man, observing his attributes and characteristics) admonished his followers to “let this mind be in you”, … “greater things ye shall do…” His life was filled with works/acts of the supernatural, of miracles but obvious natural to him. THEREFORE it is befitting to conclude that it is the consciousness that permeated his ability to function as he did, doing it all in LOVE, admonishing us to ..”love thy neighbour as thyself, .. to love even the enemy. To LOVE is greater than charity, it is the fruit of full consciousness, of CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS ANY OTHER IS THE ANTICHRIST AT WORK.

CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS is yours to have, and you also have free will to choose, it is also linked to the rapture (a word not found in the Bible) but the phrase ..”caught up” …denotes such… “in the twinkling of the eye” …full consciousness/Christ consciousness/the return to the original blueprint of man/SPIRIT MAN will be restored to those who have prepared themselves and followed the directives given by JESUS, only then we will have the power over death and inherit the eternal life (JOHN 3:16) in the flesh as(SPIRIT MAN), here on earth.. for Jesus himself prayed that .. “…heaven be on earth..”, THAT NEW JERUSALEM for it is the level of consciousness that determines your heaven or hell experience ETERNALLY.

The choice is yours.

In remembrance of Jesus and the fulfilment of FULL CONSCIOUSNESS / CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS in all of us. Have a blessed and peaceful CHRISTMAS DAY everyone

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  • Bernard Codrington

    @ Bush Tea

    Do you see what you caused? Be careful what you ask for from Georgie. You have about four PhD theses to read. I am not going to assist you.

    @ ac at 9 :19 AM

    The message of Xmas is very simple . God loves us. We are God’s creatures ,made of the same substance. When we love each other ,regardless of our pigmentation ,our social and economic status we reflect that love. God is within us and among us. Always was and always will be. Even when we pretend not to acknowledge it.

    The stories /mythologies are the vehicles . Just accept and respect them. Do you not find it strange that most religions have this same basic principle?

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  • Bernard Codrington December 27, 2017 at 10:49 AM #

    RE Be careful what you ask for from Georgie. hE ASKED THE GREAT TEACHER TO TELL HIM ABOUT THE RAPTURE………..I DID
    You have about four PhD theses to read. NOT A PhDd thesis….just part of a term paper for a course in Eschatology.

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  • The message is simple but the concept behind the message is deceitful.
    The mind cannot process the illogical and make it logical. No matter how much faith is included or introduce.
    A woman having a baby without sexual intercourse is far fetched from reality and mind boggling
    The church’s teaching of the virgin birth is the indoctrination of deceitfulness and border line insanity

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  • @ Gabriel December 27, 2017 at 8:37 AM #
    “The question to be answered is….these Hebrews or as they are now known,Jews,along with some others called christians espouse the belief that they,Jews, are god’s chosen people and nobody else going to inherit a kingdom.By their own teaching,god do loved the WORLD etc,so what of those 2 billion chinamen and the near 2 billion Hindus and Muslims and the near 1 billion African, souls.Are these human beings consigned to nothingness?”

    Now that is the 7 billion dollar question the religious rightwing zealots on BU have to answer.

    For if the Jews are god’s chosen people then all of the rest (including Christians) must belong to his opposite number.

    According to good old Christian fundamentalist values the Jews cannot inherit the kingdom of the Christian god because they (the Jews) still refuse to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.
    As a matter of fact they don’t even recognize him as an ordinary prophet in the same way Muslims do.

    So here we have a quandary of conflicting paths to Paradise promised to the seed of ‘Ibrahim’.

    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”.

    Maybe the return of the Jesus of GP and Zoe via the long-awaited rapture would settle this ‘messianic’ predicament once and for all as long as he acts as Santa Claus to his Jewish children.

    Belated Chanukah (Hanukkah) to my Judeo-Christian friends who are both fish and fowl six is half dozen and not able to tell the difference between a shekel and a shilling.

    PS: When was Eid again? Very, very Belated Eid al-Fitr to our Muslim brethren!

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  • Imagine there’s no heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today… Aha-ah…

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion, too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace… You…

    You may say I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world… You…

    You may say I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

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  • ac December 27, 2017 at 9:19 AM #

    Fake news all conceptualized by deceitfulness. The birth of Jesus ( which is not his real name) was not a literal transformation of divine intervention of a conception wherby a Virgin teenage girl called Mary had a baby but a spiritual symbol of a conception to a renewness and transition of the soul and body that mankind with all their weakness and sinful nature can be transformed into the likeness of God in the flesh just as jesus was

    ac December 27, 2017 at 12:25 PM #

    …..”The message is simple but the concept behind the message is deceitful.
    The mind cannot process the illogical and make it logical. No matter how much faith is included or introduce.
    A woman having a baby without sexual intercourse is far fetched from reality and mind boggling
    The church’s teaching of the virgin birth is the indoctrination of deceitfulness and border line insanity”….

    The birth though actual was also an astrological configuration of the stars, ….on earth, his name was Jesus and after ascension is known as Sananda. You are on target about the transformation and it will be that as the end goal.

    You have been prepared to receive the Blue Ray.

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  • @NorthernObserver

    You are fan of John Lennon?

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  • Boy, I want to contribute real bad.
    But I don’t know what to say
    I saw the word eschatology
    An I thought it was a big word for sewage on the south coast.
    Looked it up and it has nothing to do with shit.

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  • Trumpers and thumpers
    Just one letter different but equally boring

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  • Wuh happen bush tea ran GP

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  • WHY HAS HE NOT RESPONDED TO MY STELLAR NOTES ON THE RAPTURE?

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ nineofnine December 27, 2017 at 1:54 PM #
    “The birth though actual was also an astrological configuration of the stars, ….on earth, his name was Jesus and after ascension is known as Sananda. You are on target about the transformation and it will be that as the end goal.
    You have been prepared to receive the Blue Ray.”

    Nine of 9, please tell us more about this astrological thing.

    All along Bajans have been under the distinct impression that sweet baby white Jesus was born to a heavenly father and a virgin earth girl in a stable with the jacket father looking on just like in the Egyptian story on the birth of Horus or even Dionysius.

    What a revelation it would be if the astrological truth can be told!

    The millions of billions of life-forms that exist in the orbit of the three very bright stars making up belt of the constellation of Orion (those famous three wise men) and that bright star in the East called Sirius would shout with joy of hallelujah that a simple fella like you from a place no bigger than a grain of sand in the grand scheme of things in the Milky Way can decipher the birth of a star from Mary’s womb.

    You are getting there. The Blue Rays of Ra are shining on you to make you an avatar of the Heavenly Truth.

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  • @Blogmaster
    Not a fan of JL. Thought his words, or were they Ono’s?, were apt. And 50 years on, the several concepts of division still ring true, as maybe they also did 50 years before that.

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  • millertheanunnaki December 27, 2017 at 5:11 PM #

    Being mindful of the initial responses of this submission, one must be weary of the obstacles
    purposely put to either divert or subdue the wonderful insights of WHAT IS.

    As another questioned.. “Are we there yet?”

    The time has pass that those who are at point A will remain at point A, and those who have labored will move from glory to glory.

    For those who would want verification of these awesome events that occurred 2000+ years ago, I suggest you use the software STALLARIUM (its a free download, it gives detail information of planet movements, constellations etc.).
    From a viewpoint of Israel, take the timeline back to -3 BC and follow the movement of planets, constellations for the next 3 years.
    All the evidence is there, ….In the Bible and the Torah.

    Basically, it was a RARE TRIPLE RESTROGRDE OF JUPITER in conjunction with VENUS and REGULUS in the constellation of LEO over a period of 3 years it appeared to be a stationery throughout that timeline .

    It is recorded in the PHYSICAL LAYOUT of ISRAEL.

    The “Dog Star” SIRIUS in it location is representative of the birthplace Bethlehem and important implications with the Space Center in this timeline.

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  • @ GP
    WHY HAS HE NOT RESPONDED TO MY STELLAR NOTES ON THE RAPTURE?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Was busy…
    Well written….
    But to Bushie, …a lotta shiite.

    Boss, … any ‘rapture’ that you and other Bible scholars may wish to speculate about is of no interest to Bushie…

    That is equivalent to a second form student spending time and effort speculating about the format of his graduation ceremony….. Will gowns be worn? will it be at the Gymnasium? Will the GG be present? Will they call out my name?….. That is why the Bible does not dwell on it.

    Who gives a shit…?
    Far better to discuss the REAL school work that is needed in order to graduate successfully.

    So can we get back to the REAL CRITICAL question… for graduation points…?

    What the hell is this ‘Trinity’ shiite ….that seeks to put the lie to what Jesus says OVER and OVER about him being the “first born of many other similar sons of a FAMILY called ‘God’ /Yahweh /Jehovah …. or otherwise know to BU as the Big Boss Engineers of the universe?”

    OBVIOUSLY you know that if you fail to grasp as FUNDAMENTAL a promise as this … or (to use his own words,) you REFUSE TO BELIEVE HIS OWN WORDS (as outlined in John 3:16) that the consequences will be no graduation for you…. ?

    A close-shop-God is the ABSOLUTE antithesis of the Gospel.

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  • This is another chapter out of the musical bible
    Christmas is a rich mans treat
    While it is a poor mans dream

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Truth and Light..

    Religion is the Black man’s burden, now is the time to shed it once and for all; says Philmore Carter,informing Black people (Africans) about the existence of mental religious slavery while calling for liberation.

    Religion is what Keeps the BLACKMAN from seeing who the real “DEVILS” are, even when those “DEVILS” are standing right in front of him.

    It is Religion that makes the poor BLACKMAN gives his last penny to the pastors and so called holy-men so they can get richer while the poor BLACKMAN continues to live in the mucky gutters all over the world.

    It is Religion that makes the BLACKMAN sacrifice everything that he has in this REAL life for everything in an imagined after life when he dies.

    It is Religion that makes the BLACKMAN sees a devil when he looks at his own reflection in the mirror, but sees an angle when he looks at the reflection of the other races.

    It is Religion that tells the BLACKMAN that if he ever tries to think for himself his loving and merciful god will burn him in hell forever.

    It is Religion why the BLACKMAN will never unite as one people, how can they when they have so many different foreign gods to divide them.

    It is Religion that makes the BLACKMAN worship a dead Jew as his god.

    It is Religion that makes the BLACKMAN pray to a black-rock five times a day.

    In short it is religion that is holding the BLACKMAN back, as long as the BLACKMAN keeps clinging to these foreign Religions he will forever “BURN” in HELL here on earth, he will forever be a mental slave for the other races to rule.

    BLACKMAN ANSWER ME THIS; HOW CAN THE GODS OF YOUR OPPRESSORS BE YOUR GOD? ONLY A TOTAL IDIOT WOULD WORSHIP SUCH A GOD. HOW CAN YOU WORSHIP THE SAME GODS WHO SAY IN ALL THEIR HOLY BOOKS THAT IT WAS OK FOR OTHER RACES TO ENSLAVE YOU? ….

    This is the age of enlightenment; BLACKMAN I beg you to please wake-up from your sleepless slumber, the future generation of BLACKMEN AND WOMEN are crying out to you from the womb and beyond ,begging you to please break the cycle of self hate , and being subservient to other people before they get here to represent the future BLACKMAN.

    http://www.reunionblackfamily.com/apps/blog/show/35419800-religion-is-the-black-man-s-burden-now-is-the-time-to-shed-it-once-and-for-all
    We must related to our history/the invent of the past in other to fashion the future. – Prof.James Smalls.

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  • All serious Bible students know that………The importance of the doctrine of the second coming is demonstrated by its prominence in Scriptures. 1 out of every 30 verses in the Bible mentions this doctrine. In the New Testament this truth is mentioned 300 times, or once in every 25 verses. For every 1 mention of the first coming there are 8 mentions of the second coming. 318 mentions of this subject are made in 216 chapters Whole chapters are devoted to it e.g Matthew 24 & 25, Mark 13, Like 21, 2 Peter 3 and some books are practically given over to it; like 1 & 2 Thessalonians and Revelation.

    Jesus spoke about it in John 14:1-3, the Apostles taught it, Moses and the prophets and the Psalmist all preached it. The angels who bore such faithful testimony to his first advent, informed us at his departure that he would come again [Acts 1:1]. Such faithful testimony by Jesus, the angels and the apostles force us to conclude and believe that THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST IS IMPORTANT.

    but on BU we read ………

    ” But to Bushie, …a lotta shiite.

    Boss, … any ‘rapture’ that you and other Bible scholars may wish to speculate about is of no interest to Bushie…

    That is equivalent to a second form student spending time and effort speculating about the format of his graduation ceremony….. Will gowns be worn? will it be at the Gymnasium? Will the GG be present? Will they call out my name?….. That is why the Bible does not dwell on it.

    Who gives a shit…?
    Far better to discuss the REAL school work that is needed in order to graduate successfully.”

    AMAZING! SIMPLY AMAZING!

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  • RE Even Jesus himself was ordinary …until that momentous anointment signified by the dove….

    SINCE JESUS WAS ALWAYS GOD AS IS CLEARLY TAUGHT IN JOHN 1 AND MICAH 5 AND PHILIPPIANS 2…….WHEN EXACTLY WAS HE EVER ORDINARY?

    RE and yet you continue with this nonsense about ‘study to show themselves approved’….

    I MUST continue with ‘study to show themselves approved BECAUSE THE BIBLE TEACHES CLEARLY AT 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 .

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

    DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT………READ IT FOR YOURSELF

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  • Stop being silly GP

    You started with….
    The WHAT, WHO, WHERE, and HOW of THE RAPTURE?
    The Rapture of The Church [the first phase of the second coming]..
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Make up your mind what you want to talk about….

    Bushie wanted to discuss the TRINITY…
    YOU introduced the Rapture (because you had a paper handy to post…?)
    Bushie dismiss this as pure CONJECTURE…. and now you jump to the ‘Second coming…”

    Stop being so slippery Boss…
    One fight at a time …. Obviously you don’t want to discuss the Trinity …or the Rapture anymore ….so is it the Second coming then…?

    …or would you like to revisit “parables”? LOL
    Presumably you have now re-evalusted the false position that these are ‘heavenly stories with earthly meanings’ and have adjusted your philosophical position accordingly…?

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  • THE RAPTURE IS PART OF THE SECOND COMING !
    THE SECOND COMING STARTS WITH THE RAPTURE………..DIDNT YOU KNOW THAT?
    THE THREAD IS ABOUT STEPPING STONES FOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHRIST AND THE RETURN OF CHRIST ISNT IT?
    I AM CERTAINLY ON TOPIC
    VERY MUCH ON TOPIC
    AND I AM NOT FINISHED YET

    SOME ONE SOME WHERE SOME HOW MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING

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  • WHEN WILL THE RAPTURE ANDTHE SCECOND COMING OCCUR?

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 is one of the primary scriptures that describe the mechanics of the rapture of the church. The church at Thessalonica had been taught by Paul in his three week stay with them that the Lords coming was at hand. They had mistaken him to mean that it would have been soon or immediate. In the interim, some of the believers in the Thessalonican church had died and yet the Lord had not come. What would be the fate of these believers who had already passed on, was a burning question that the church at Thessalonica had. Paul’s revelation on the parousia was the answer to their question. He assured them first in verse 15 that the living saints would not prevent (Latin.prae + venio) or precede the living believers on the journey to the abiding places of John 14:3. In verse 16-17, Paul tells us where the rapture will occur –IN THE AIR, how it will occur, but he does not tell us WHEN it will occur, because he did not know.

    Jesus told us in the Olivet course that no one knows except the Heavenly Father when the exact day and hour of the rapture will occur. However from an understanding of Daniel’s prophecy and Jesus’ statements in the Olivet discourse, we can deduce that the rapture will occur about seven years prior to the tribulation period. Consequently, as we note the fulfillment of signs or indicators come to pass that herald the onset of the tribulation we can have an idea that the rapture is close at hand, even though we will not ever be able to accurately predict it’s actual occurrence.

    WHEN the rapture will occur is an important consideration. It is clear from the teaching of
    scriptures that there is nothing to prevent the coming of Christ for his saints at any moment. The
    rapture is impending The early church believed in the imminency of the Lord’s return and there is
    a consistency in the early church on imminency which is essential to the position that the rapture
    will occur prior to the tribulation and not after as some have been opining since the beginning of
    this century. Nothing at all is standing in the way of his appearing. Whether the scriptures are
    referring to the coming of Christ for the church or his coming to earth to set up his kingdom,
    reference to his return always has attached to it an urgent exhortation to be ready because his
    coming spells doom for the unprepared . In Luke 17:34-36 , Mark 13:35-37, Matt 25: 10-13
    we are told to watch, wait, and work .

    At this point in time there are no prophetic scriptures to be fulfilled which would prevent the second coming of Christ. He can come at any time now, because the “fig tree budded “since 1948 [Matt24 :36, Luke 21:28] co-incidently and simultaneously with the fulfillment of the prophecy of Ezekiel 37.The return of Christ might at any time interrupt the activity of the day. Before the day is over we could here the shout of His voice and the trump of God and we who trust Christ as Saviour and who are looking for his return [IThess 4:16-18 & Heb 9:28], would be caught up immediately into His presence. We believe that the Lord can come at any time at the rapture. It was of this event that the Lord spoke when he said in Matt 24:42- 44 “ watch therefore for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come: therefore be ye also ready for in such hour as ye think not the son of man cometh.”

    The rapture can occur at any moment now. Jesus could come today. It is clear from the teaching of scriptures that there is nothing to prevent the coming of Christ for his saints at any moment, to be followed by the second coming of Christ to earth seven years later. No prophetic event or events await fulfillment prior to the coming of Christ. In fact from the time of the early church until now believers have been looking for and expecting Jesus return. Paul spoke of it as a definite possibility within his own lifetime for on two occasions he reminded believers of the likelihood that they would be changed without experiencing physical death. Significantly he included himself as one of those who might be transformed without dying [1Thes 4:17& 1Cor 15: 51 &52]. The rapture is certainly imminent.

    Although it is true that no one knows the day or the hour of Christ’s coming, we may know when it is at hand (Matt. 24:36-42; 1 Thes. 5:15). A proper study of the Olivet discourse, indicates that one can predict the onset of the Tribulation and great Tribulation periods. Since scripture clearly teaches that the rapture precedes the tribulation by 7 years, the more evident the signs of the tribulation appear the more obvious is it that the rapture is most imminent.

    Sound exegesis and right division of the Olivet discourse reveals that at Matthew 24: 36-51 there comes a definite break as the Lord completes his outline of the events which constitute the end of the age. He had revealed truths about his presence or parousia during the entire period of the last days and also the spectacular outshining of his presence to occur at the end at his ephiphany or appearing . But he had said very little about its beginning. Now, in verses 36-41, He set out that remarkable event before the disciples as the dominant point of emphasis. He commented briefly about the event which set in train the events of the end of the age -the Rapture! The first thing that Jesus said about this event is given in verse 36 thus: ..

    But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of heaven , but my Father only.

    Jesus indicated that no one can pinpoint the day and hour that these things will be fulfilled. As the day approaches, undoubtedly some will try to determine even the hour, but know this for sure, no person will know the time beforehand. No scheme of setting dates is possible by men. Only the
    Father knows the time.

    Many have confused this coming with the glorious manifestation of his presence (the glorious appearing of Titus 2:13) described in verse 30.However, Jesus is very clear that this coming will be completely unpredictable in contrast to the signs of his coming at the end of the tribulation, which are very predictable

    Once a person misses out on the rapture, and the events start to occur, one can predict the onset of the second advent from the signs of the time given and from scripture- which makes it very clear that seven years will elapse between the blessed hope and the glorious appearing – between the rapture and the second advent. One can predict this coming accurately. But with respect to the exact time of the occurrence of the rapture only the Father knows. The total unpredictability of the rapture is emphasized by the Lord’s warning to watch in verses 42-44. Jesus would be most illogical to give this warning about his coming in power and glory when he explicitly said that preceeding that phase of the second coming that “”the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” Who could miss that? Who, knowing the Scriptures, would not expect the return of Jesus after such dramatic events?

    To his disciples in their role as representatives as members of the church soon to be begun , Jesus said “The Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Jesus is here speaking to you and I and all contemporary Christendom in the remainder of the Olivet discourse to warn us to be watching, waiting, and working in anticipation of the rapture. Whereas verses 15-27 are for the Jews at the end of the age to know when His coming is imminent, verses 36-51 are for us in the contemporary church age. We must therefore understand this warning and prepare. To be forewarned is to be prepared! This passage therefore indicates that one can very accurately predict the onset of the ephiphany because all the signs are clear. For after a period of the greatest period of tribulation known to man there will still appear the sign of the Son of Man from heaven. However, the closest one can even come to predicting the onset of the rapture, is to reccognise that all signs which indicate that antichrist will soon come will alert us to be even more alert for the secret coming of Christ for the Church. Only God knows when the rapture will occur.

    Let us then be quite clear that Jesus is here in this portion of the Olivet discourse, speaking about the Rapture which Paul elaborates on in I Thes 4: 13-18 and I Cor 15:51-58. This coming refers to when he comes in the blessed hope (Titus 2 13a), and as a thief in the night ( I Thes 5:1-3; 2 Pet: 3:10a ) when he comes for his jewels and catches the church in the air, this refers to when he comes for His own (John 14:3), when at this secret coming for the saints, only His own will see Him when He comes in the air for His Bride (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:16, 17; Rev. 19:7).2 Thes 2;1 (I Thess. 4:17) and the living saints will be translated after being reunited with resurrected .saved ones before being transported to Heaven. Christ will come then as the bright and morning star (Rev. 22:16), in fulfillment of promise made before crucifixion [ John 14:3 ]and Christians will be delivered from wrath (1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9).. (I Thess. 4:17).At this coming , he will appear BEFORE the great tribulation to remove the salt from society so that evil can be loosed. Satan will not be bound yet and so the world will continue in sin. This is an important fact to grasp for those with a postmillennial bent! For those who believe that we are now in the millennial age, it is noteworthy that at this coming Jesus comes for the church, the unsuspected treasure of earth. He will come to take it to himself, and the world will have no inkling that it is about to occur.

    We can know that the time is drawing near as we observe the predicted pattern taking shape in the affairs of men. We can see the attitudes that he says will prevail in that day beginning to emerge as the dominant philosophy of the day. But we can never know the day nor the hour. Even the angels do not know, nor did the Son in the time of his earthly limitation, but only the Father. The Rapture clearly has no signs preceding it. Jesus comes without warning or previous sign.

    ” Men seem to display an urgent passion to set dates for the coming of Christ. Several times in history it has been announced that Jesus Christ would return on such and such a date. Some fanatics who believed these reports have even sold their property, donned white robes, and gone out on some hilltop to wait for him to appear. The whole subject of the return of Christ his been cast into disrepute by such foolish actions. God has maintained an inscrutable silence about certain matters and this is one of them. The day and the hour is clearly marked, “Top Secret,” just as Jesus told the disciples after the resurrection, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority” (Acts 1:7). The activity Jesus wants to encourage is not date-setting but readiness.”

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  • We note also from a study of the Olivet discourse that the totally unexpected character of this coming is likened to the flood which came at a time when life was going on as usual.

    But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be (Mt. 24:37-39).

    The Lord uses the illustration of Noah who lived in days of gross immorality. The Lord describes the time of Noah as days when every thought and imagination of man’s heart was evil continually. (Genesis 6:5). These people ate and drank and married. These things were not wrong in themselves but the attitude of the people toward God was wrong because they lived like God did not exist at all. They left God out of their lives and did not believe Him.

    Paul admonishes us in I Cor. 10:31, “Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.” Their attitudes and actions were not to the glory of God at all.

    Some have interpreted ” eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage ” to indicate evil things in the affairs of men. “Eating” has been taken to mean an increase of gluttony throughout the earth, “drinking” has been interpreted as an increase in alcoholism and drunkenness, while “marrying and giving in marriage” has been interpreted to relate to the universal rocketing of the divorce rate. It can not be denied that these indicators are all problematic in nations and are all on the increase in our times.

    However, what Jesus is stressing is that just as in the ante-deluvian period people were caught unawares, eating, drinking, and giving in marriage and living just as if God did not exist at all, similarly just prior to his parousia the populace of the world at that time will be surprised by his
    unexpected return. Prior to the flood, life was going on in ordinary fashion. Moral conditions
    were bad, there was violence and corruption throughout the earth, but they were no worse than they bad been for quite, some time despite the preaching of Noah for one hundred and twenty years during which he faithfully warned his generation that God would judge the world of that day. Life went on as usual and the first sign of any disaster was the quiet, almost unnoticed
    removal of a select from the world of that day as God called them into the ark and shut them in.

    Then a full week went by and nothing happened. Noah, his family, and all the animals were in the ark for a week and during that time the skies were blue, the sun shone, men went to work in the morning and came home in the evening. Lovers strolled hand in hand as they had done from time
    immemorial, men ate and drank and rose up to play, life went on as usual. Until suddenly rain clouds began to form in the skies for the first time and the skies darkened, and perhaps and great tidal waves came crashing across the earth, as the skies poured down untold gallons of water for forty continuous days and nights as ” the flood came and took them all away.”

    In similar fashion the Lord says, will be the “Parousia,” the coming as a thief in the night. Jesus Christ will come suddenly, surely, stealthily, secretly , without warning, and a select company will be removed from the earth as plainly described in verses 40-41 thus..
    “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left (Mt. 24:40,41).”

    It is to be noted here that in this parallel to the Flood, that at the flood those who are taken away were removed in judgment and those that were left in Noah’s day were the ones who escaped judgment. However, at the Rapture of the Church those who are taken away will escape the judgment of the Tribulation period, whereas those who are left behind will be judged in the
    Tribulation period.

    This event will not only be highly selective, distinguishing even between two people working side by side but will also be universal because while men work in their fields on one side of the earth, others will be asleep in their beds on the other side. But simultaneously, both in the day and in the night, the great removal will occur. Thus will the Lord accomplish a silent resurrection, transfiguration and translation which will take the true church out of the judgment of the tribulation, just as Noah and his family were taken out of the judgment of the flood and just as Enoch was translated to heaven prior to the judgment of the flood.

    Whereas we can have an idea concerning the onset of the second coming from the signs that Jesus gave us as discussed below, we again stress that we have no idea at all as the time when the rapture will occur.

    Since nothing at all is standing in the way of the process that will culminate with His appearing
    THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST IS IMPENDING. Whether the scriptures are referring to
    the coming of Christ for the church or his coming to earth to set up his kingdom, reference to his
    return always has attached to it an urgent exhortation to be ready because his coming spells
    doom for the unprepared . In Luke 17:34-36, Mark 13:35-37, Matt 25: 10-13 we are told to
    watch, wait, and work

    In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus also predicted the onset of the great tribulation. Matthew 24:2 reads “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”

    In this verse Matthew goes on to report that from the time that the idol goes up in the Temple till the end of the Tribulation, there will be great, great tribulation or adversity, such as has not occurred from the beginning of history, until this time; nor ever will occur.” Here, then, our Lord states that the Tribulation will be a time of complete and total lawlessness, violence, crime, rape, murder, pillage, plunder; mankind will be animalistic. This is now very easy to picture from the current behavior of the peoples of the world.

    The literal translation is, “Then shall be the TRIBULATION, the great one. ” This tribulation is unique; there has been nothing like it in the history of the world and there will never again be anything like it. The Lord labels the end of the age as the Great Tribulation period. No such period has yet transpired.

    And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened (Mt. 24:22).

    There are some people who talk about the Church going through the Great Tribulation, and some even opine that we are in this period of time right now; not realizing how severe this time will be. Things are bad today, but they certainly can not compare to the description the Lord gives of the Great Tribulation.

    Verse 22 covers only a brief period of time. It is the last half of Daniel’s 70th week. The Book of Revelation tells us that on one occasion during this period of time, a third of the population of the world will be destroyed. On another occasion during this period of time, a fourth of the world’s population will be destroyed. The Red Horse of war, the Black Horse of famine, and the Pale Horse of death will ride during this period of tribulation. The Lord says that He will not let mankind commit suicide. That is the reason that this will be a brief period. The Lord will cut short this period because of the excellent ones (the tribulational believers) or no flesh would have been delivered.

    We must note that when the man of lawlessness makes his stand in the temple of God he will only be expressing the attitude of heart that has long been dormant in human hearts. The philosophy of man’s self deification and the deification of other men ( e.g. sports heroes and pop singers and movie stars) is rampant around us today. Such behavior will make it very easy for the people of the world to idolize and worship Antichrist.

    However Antichrist’s supreme act of man’s self deification can not occur yet, because there are forces currently at work which restrain its full manifestation so that it cannot take over as the dominant philosophy of the race. (2 Thess 2). When, however, the Church with the indwelling Holy Spirit is removed Antichrist will be free to act. Until then, the wheat and tares must grow together (Matt 13:30) until the harvest at the end of the age.
    Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not (Mt. 24:23-26).

    There will be many false Christs as well as the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. They will have forerunners announcing their presence in different places. They will be miracle workers. John the Baptist was not a miracle worker (Jn. 10:41 tells us that John did not work miracles). No miracle worker or forerunner will precede the coming of Christ. His coming will not be localized to one place as it was 1900 years ago when He came to Bethlehem, but it will be truly world wide, “every eye shall see Him.” It is easier to be sensational than study the Word as ordered in 2 Tim 2:15.

    That Jesus gave us very accurate information concerning the events that will occur prior to his coming is well demonstrated in the abundance of miracle doers and healers. There are around many preachers who instead of being pre-occupied with the giving of the gospel message and strengthening and encouraging the saints are ” doing miracles.” In the process, they seem to be leading astray many born again believers as well.

    For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:27).

    This verse, down through verse 31, gives the sign of the coming of the Son of man. When He comes, the whole world will know and it will be as public as lightning. We all know that a lightning storm is a public affair. When it comes, everybody knows about it. The Lord’s second coming to the earth will be like that. No one will need to announce that the Lord is coming to
    establish His Kingdom. It should also be noted that lightning indicates judgment in connection with the coming of Christ.

    Just as lightning can be seen by all during a storm, so will be the Second Coming of our Lord, Rev. 1:7. And just as lightning travels at great speeds, so the Second Advent will come rapidly, Rev. 22:7,12. Just as lightning can alarm the uneducated, so Christ’s return alarms unbelievers, Rev. 6:15-16. Just as the lightning that precedes a storm warns of what is to come; so also will lightning warn of coming judgment and death at our Lord’s return.

    The title ‘Son of Man,’ of course, is the title of our Lord in His hypostatic union, which is the essence of true God and the essence of true man united in one Being.

    For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together (Mt. 24:28).

    This verse is a reference to the battle of Armageddon and the slaughter connected with it. Revelation 19:17-19 tells us about an invitation that went out to the birds to come together for a great banquet, “And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army”. The birds that feed on carrion seem to be agents of divine judgment. When the Lord comes again, He will come in judgment.

    The most dramatic event in all history will be the visible appearing of Jesus Christ. This event is also the most prophesied event in the Bible. It has been estimated that in the New Testament that one verse out of ten refers to this coming of Christ and that if all the references to this event were to be removed from the New Testament it would be unintelligible in many parts. When it occurs no one can possibly miss it because of all the references that identifies it Jesus himself speaks of it thus:-

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken (Mt. 24:29).

    The words ” immediately after” indicates that Lord will visibly return to the whole world after the Great Tribulation. This is the moment Paul describes in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 when ” The Lord Jesus will slay him (the Lawless One) with the breath of his mouth and destroy him with breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming.” The last phrase “by his appearing and his coming ” is literally, ” the ephiphany of his parousia.” Since ephiphany means unveiling, or outshining, Paul is calling this dramatic appearance of Christ ” the unveiling of his presence.” This is the end of the whole period which Jesus calls the ” close of the age or aeon.”

    This flaming advent is part of the parousia and marks the end of his secret presence. What he has been in secret to His own during the dark days of the tribulation he now openly reveals before the whole world. This advent or ephiphany is the outshining of his presence before the eyes of the whole world. The last phrase in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 and the meaning of parousia suggests that the presence of Jesus has been ongoing since the Church was taken out of the world before the end of the age began at the onset of the tribulation period, but now His presence is finally known and felt.

    Jesus thus finally gives the final precursor to the sign of his coming :-1]the sun will be darkened, 2] the moon shall not give her light, 3] the stars shall fall from heaven, and 4] the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. This is the response of the universe to the coming of Christ to lift the curse. It is imperative to note that Jesus distinctly separates this event from the great tribulation . The great tribulation, (presented in detail especially in the judgments of the seals and the trumpets in Revelation, was described previously by Him as a day of unprecedented human evil and of terrible and human suffering, and ” the manifestation of the naked brutality of man, the exhibition of the cruelty and unbelievable violence of the human heart unrestrained by grace.”

    All of these events will occur at Christ’s second coming.

    It is useful to understand that passages like Joel:30-31; Isaiah 13:9-10; Revelation 6:12-14 are a few scriptures which confirm Jesus predictions ( and the unity of the verbal inspiration of scripture) that God will introduce the final act in the drama of civilization as we know it in the
    manner Jesus reveals.
    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory Matthew 24: 30 The violent upheaval in nature described in the last verse is followed by the sign of the Son of man in heaven and the visible and glorious appearing of Jesus Christ to all the earth. This outshining of his glory and sudden unveiling of his presence is the second time the world sees Jesus Christ and is often called ” the second coming “, however, this term correctly covers the period beginning with the rapture of the church.

    The Lord has finally answered the question the disciples asked about the sign of His coming . That sign Jesus now says will appear in the sky just before he is made visible. Jesus it must be noted, linked the sign of his coming with the phrase ” all the tribes of the earth mourn .” It
    appears that this means the tribes of Israel, since this sign is linked with Israel, we can safely speculate that the sign of the Son of man might be the reappearance of the Shekinah glory which hovered over the tabernacle, and which accompanied the nation of Israel during their wanderings in the wilderness for forty years . Later at the dedication of Solomon’s temple, the Shekinah glory ( which was the sign of God’s presence with his people) came down and rested in the holy of holies upon the ark of the covenant as the sign that God was dwellling with his people. No nation but Israel has ever had the Shekinah glory.

    Paul tells us in Romans 9:4, “Who are the Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises.” The Church does not have this glory either!

    Back in the Old Testament the Shekinah glory left Israel. When the Lord Jesus came to earth the first time, He laid aside His glory and walked as a perfect man. There were times, however, when His glory broke through and men beheld it. When He comes to earth the second time, the sign will be the appearance of the Shekinah glory.

    Since the Shekinah glory is the sign of God’s presence with man it is appropriate that it should reappear as the sign that explains and clarifies the meaning of Christ’s coming (which as is declared in Matthew 1:23 is Immanuel – God with us. Jesus’ coming will not only mark the close of the age, but it will also be the opening event of a new age; the major characteristic of which is that God dwells with his people( Rev 21:3). This fellowship was broken by the fall. The Bible is of course the story of God’s quest (not our’s) to renew and restore this fellowship.

    That the Son of man would come in the clouds of heavens was predicted in Daniel, the parallel
    scriptures in Mark and Luke and also in Revelation 1: 7.

    In the last reference and in this verse, we see that all the tribes of the earth will mourn and wail on account of him. This refers to the tribes of Israel and is a direct fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10-11.Israel will mourn because of the realization that the one who now appears in power and glory
    is the same one whom they had set at naught and pierced at his crucifixion, and they will cry out in sadness and heartache over the long years of rejection that has followed the crucifixion.

    Next, referring to Himself and to the myriad of Old Testament passages that speak of this event Jesus says,”And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather
    together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Mt. 24:31).”

    The elect spoken of in this verse is still the nation Israel. The prophets in the Old Testament foretold of a miracle that would bring the Jews back into their land. This is not the Church as some falsely teach. We know this because the church would previously have been caught up out of this world to meet the Lord in the air, as discussed in verses 37 ff below. Angels are not connected with the Rapture. The Lord will come in Person to receive the Church with the sound of a trumpet and His voice will be like that of an archangel. He will not need any help to gather His Church together. He died for the Church and He will bring it together. (See I Thess. 4:13-18.)
    See Matthew 13:49 and Revelation 1:7 as parallel passages. The “elect” refers to Israel (Jer. 16:14; chap 31; Isa 11:11-12 ).

    When Jesus says that the ” angels. shall gather together his elect from the four winds , from one end of heaven to the other,” he is referring to the third stage of Ezekiel’s vision in 37:9-12. We can thus be sure that Jesus is talking about the nation Israel- because ministering angels have always been connected with Israel.

    It seems also that the “elect” will include the 144,000, and those Gentiles who believe in Jesus because of the testimony of the remnant of Israel. In the parables of the kingdom in Matthew 13, which are obvious parallel passages describing this event, Jesus himself suggests that others will be included.( c f 13: 40-43; 47-50). This gathering by the angels is often confused with the gathering of the church at the rapture in 1Thessalonians 4. However, the elect gathered at this time are gathered into an earthly kingdom. They don’t go up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and there is no resurrection of the dead mentioned here.

    In contrast, at the rapture this is the primary emphasis since the Thessalonian passage was occasioned by a question as to what would become of the dead saints who died before Christ came. In addition, when the church is removed, evil men are not judged for the resurrection at the rapture is an “out resurrection from the dead” ( Philippians 3). At the ephiphany, however, Jesus made it abundantly clear that ” all causes of sin and evil doers ” will be removed and thus debarred entry from his kingdom at the time of the gathering of the elect. At this time too, the beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into lake of fire as described by John in Rev 19:19-21.

    This is the time spoken of by the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah and others, when by an act of sovereign grace, without any merit on their part, God will bring them (Israel ) back again to the land. This time it will be an hour of mourning and repentance when they will understand at last what God has been wanting to do with them. They will then enter into a time of national health and wholeness and will become the instrument of blessing to all the earth.

    The exciting thing about all of this is that it may just be seven years from now— and we as believers will get to share in this wonderful, literal, glorious reign of Christ on earth for one thousand years with out the devil around to offer any one any temptations or spoil things . This is the time that Paul writes about in 2 Thes 1:7-8 and John in Rev 11:15.

    This is the glorious appearing of Titus 2:13b, when Jesus comes with ten thousands of his saints (Jude 14). when every eye shall see him (Rev 1;7). This is the time when Christ will come with His own- with His Bride (I Thess. 3:13, Rev. 19:7-14) to the earth to the mount of olives (Zech. 14:4; Acts 1: 1 1, 12). He comes as the son of righteousness ( Matt 4 1-2 ) to receive repentant Israel (Zech 11;10 ).No saints will be translated here. The unsaved will remain on the earth and
    experience the wrath of God (Rev. 6:12-17). Satan will be bound and cast into the bottomless pit (Rev. 20:1, 2) and Christ will judge the world for sin (Isa. 13:9-1 1; 2 Thess. 1:7-9). Christ will come as the Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4:2). Again we repeat definite signs will precede the
    Second Coming (Luke 21:11, 25). Jesus’ coming will be preceded by terrible sights in the heavens with the sun being darkened and the moon failing to give its light. At this coming the Bible specifically says that his coming will be ” immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days. This coming is heralded by so much previous announcement that..all the tribes of the earth ….will see the Son of Man coming. He will return to overthrow antichrist, judge the nations and establish his righteous rule on earth.

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  • Prior to the start of the last century every one believed in a pre tribulation (pre-trib) rapture, but at this time there was much debate and some said there is no rapture at all, whereas others opined that the rapture occurred after the tribulation. Below is a list of facts that indicate that the rapture must be a pre tribulational occurrence.

    1). The Pre-trib position is the ONLY one which truly teaches imminency.
    2). The exhortation to be comforted by the “coming of the Lord” (1Thes 4:18) is valid only in the context of the pre-trib view. It could even be a fearsome thing in a post-trib view.
    3). We are exhorted to look for the “Glorious Appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (Titus 2:13) If there are any prophetic events (ie: tribulation) to come first, then this passage is nonsensical.
    4). The church is “not appointed to wrath” (Rom 5:9; 1 Thes 1:9-10) The church cannot enter into the “great day of their wrath.”
    5). The Church will not be “overtaken by the Day of the Lord.” (1 Thes 5:1-9) (Day of the Lord is another term for the great tribulation.)
    6). The church will be “kept from the hour of testing that shall come upon all the world.” (Rev. 3:10)
    7). The believer will escape the tribulation (Luke 21:36).
    8). It is in the character of God to deliver His own from the greatest times of trial. (Lot, Rahab. Israel, Noah,etc)
    9) It is clear that there is a time interval between the translation of the church and the Return of Christ. (John 14:3)
    10). The translation of the church is never mentioned in any context dealing with the second coming of Christ at the end of the Tribulation.
    11). Only the pre-trib position does not divide the Body of Christ on a works principle as does partial rapture does so clearly and others to a lesser extent. It becomes a climatic finale to the grand plan of salvation by grace alone.
    12). The Scriptures are adamant that the church is undivided. In this age the church is divided by the continuing old nature in the believers. When we are glorified at the coming of Christ, the church is no more divided
    13). The godly remnant of the tribulation has the attributes seen in OT Israel and not the church. The church is not present in the prophecies of Revelation.
    14). The pre-trib view, unlike the post-trib view does not confuse terms like elect and saints which apply to believers of all ages , as opposed to terms like church and in Christ, which apply only to those who are the body of Christ in this age.
    15). The Holy Spirit is the Restrainer of evil in the world. He cannot be taken out as prophesied unless the church which is indwelt by the Holy Spirit is taken out.
    16). The Holy Spirit will be taken out before the “lawless one” is revealed. That lawless one will certainly be revealed in the tribulation. In fact, the tribulation begins with the signing of the covenant between that lawless one and Israel. That act will reveal him.
    17). The “falling away” in 2 Thes 2:3 would better be understood in its context as “the departure.” This is a reference to the departure of the Holy Spirit as He indwells the church.
    18). The work of the Holy Spirit making the church like Christ where they submit to death and persecution, whereas the OT saints (see many of the Psalms) and the tribulations saints cry out for vengeance (Rev 6:10)
    19). Only the pre-trib view allows for a truely literal interpretation in all of the OT & NT passages regarding the great tribulation.
    20) Only the pre-trib position clearly distinguishes the church and Israel and God’s dealing with each. The Necessity of an Interval of Time between the Rapture and the Second Coming
    21). All believers must appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10). This event is never mentioned in the account of events surrounding the second coming.
    22). The “four and twenty elders” in rev 4:1-5:14 are representative of the church. Therefore it is necessary that the church, undivided, be brought to glory before those events of the tribulation.
    23). There is clearly a coming of Christ for his bride before the second coming to earth. Rev 19:7-10.
    24). Tribulation saints are not translated at the second coming of Christ but carry on ordinary activities. These specifically include farming, construction, and giving birth. (Is 65:20-25).
    25). The Judgment of the Gentile nations following the second coming (Mat 25:31-46) indicates that both the saved and the lost are in a natural body which would be impossible if the translation had taken place at the second coming.
    26). If the translation took place at the same time as the second coming, there would be no need to separating the sheep from the goats at the subsequent judgment. The act of the translation would be the separation.
    27). The Judgment of Israel (Ez 20:34-38) occurs after the second coming and requires a regathered Israel. Again, the separation of the saved and the lost would be unnecessary if all the saved had previously been separated by a translation at the second coming.

    NEXT
    CHAPTER FOUR

    THE ONSET OF THE SECOND COMING AND CONTEMPORARY TIMES

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  • This is bare RH by GP the most dangerous person is an Evilangelical like him!

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Lost in the fantasy of religion.

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  • Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service December 29, 2017 at 3:19 AM #
    Lost in the fantasy of religion.

    islandgal December 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM #
    This is bare RH by GP the most dangerous person is an Evilangelical like him!

    Bush Tea December 27, 2017 at 11:25 PM #
    Well written….
    But to Bushie, …a lotta shiite.

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    Whatever is written in the Bible, somehow its interpretation by many, many, people before us from our origins in England, Africa or wherever created in the New World America, Barbados, Canada, St. Kitts/Nevis,Tortola etc.

    Its interpretation led to the abolition of slavery which had existed for millennia, in fact the very first gentile conversion was in all probability of an African slave.

    It conquered the Roman Empire with no violence and spread throughout the then known world along the network of roads the Romans had for generations been building.

    More than 1000 years later it also spread along the sea routes from England as it became the largest Empire the world has known.

    Its message reached all mankind as God intended and is written.

    That would be enough for any individual to want to see what it is that is written that could get such things to happen if only for the selfish reason to see what it might contain for him/her.

    That on its own is amazing.

    But there is more.

    Actual history and written prophesy can be matched.

    Nowhere else can this be found.

    The Bible is astonishing.

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  • All the comments he quote above are about long posts written by GP….

    John then goes on to talk about how people respond to ‘whatever is written in the bible’, how it spread, and how amazing the Bible is….

    How disjointed and illogical can you be…?

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  • What second coming what rapture all symbolic language used by Jesus Terminology as indicator to a new spirtual awakening brought about by the ushering of the Holy Ghost which Jesus specifically told his disciples he would send them as a Comforter
    The churches teaching about rapture and second coming is flaw as the church refuses to belives that Jesus second coming has already happened in the spirtual realm by the ushering of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost

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  • Any one who have a spirtual desire to understand the teachings if Jesus would first have to undrrstand why Jesus uses symbolic terminology to get his message across to his disciples
    Many teachers of the bible omit the times and political upheaveal during Jesus times on this earth and try to draw incoherent parallels and provide their intrepretation as literal translations of Jesus words

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  • AC

    Not even JC can prevent the political licks the people got for you and yours.

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  • Pacha spoken like a true non believer.With God all things are possible

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  • MAWNING FOLKS

    IS ANYONE ABLE TO YET DISCUSS THE TOPIC “STEPPING STONES FOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHRIST AND THE RETURN OF CHRIST”?

    JOHN IS 100% CORRECT

    Actual history and written prophesy can be matched.

    Nowhere else can this be found.

    The Bible is astonishing.

    THE BU BUNCH CAN GO ON AD NAUSEAM ET AD INFINITUM ON POLITICS……..BUT THERE ARE BIBLE ILLITERATES

    BUSHTEA LOVES TO TALK ABOUT “PARABLES”
    I WONDER IF HE CAN TEACH US ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THE LORD JESUS GAVE THE PARABLE OF JOHN 10………OR EXPLAIN THE THREE “DOORS” MENTIONED THEREAT OR HOW JESUS COULD SAY THAT HE AND THE FATHER WAS ONE.

    I HAVE POSITIONED SEVERAL CUSHIONS ON THE FLOOR IN ANTICIPATION WHEN I FALL TO THE FLOOR HOLDING MY BELLY LAUGHING JUST AS I DID WHEN HE SAID THAT

    “Even Jesus himself was ordinary …until that momentous anointment signified by the dove….”

    YOU SEE AS AN ARIAN, HE DOES NOT BELIEVE OR UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS GOD AS CLEARLY TAUGHT IN JOHN CHAPTER I THUS

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

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  • @ GP
    Here is the bottom line..
    Bushie will not waste time arguing SERIOUSLY with someone about integral calculus – when it is clear that that person does NOT grasp the fundamentals of decimals…

    What is the chance that Stinkliar will contribute meaningfully in a discussion on ‘Balancing National budgets in a complex and fast-changing world’? … when he don’t know .7 from 0.07?
    ZERO … as we have seen.

    Similarly, what is the chance of your arguing meaningfully with Bushie on complex biblical matters when BASIC fundamentals continue to elude you …BECAUSE YOU INSIST ON SLAVISHLY FOLLOWING RELIGIOUS DOGMA – instead of simply believing in what Jesus said and represented.

    Parables are a case in point….
    Why should Bushie explain the parable in John 10, when Jesus HIMSELF SAID that the VERY REASON that he spoke in parables was to ENSURE that brass bowls COULD NOT UNDERSTAND them?

    You insist that ‘Jesus was God’ and therefore was never ‘ordinary’….
    The Bible says that “the word BECAME flesh”….. he lived as flesh, died as flesh, ..BUT THEN rose again as the FIRST-BORN SON of God….as a PROMISE of what other ‘begotten sons’ can come to expect.
    …while you are mumbling on and on with stupid, senseless dogma…
    Boss…If Jesus was ALWAYS God, then what was the whole point? …what was the sacrifice? …steupsss.

    You persist with the ‘Trinity’ shiite – even though Bushie pointed out that you either have to agree that there is NO TRINITY …. OR try to argue that Jesus NEVER DIED….. Your choice, …although you are smart enough to know the Bible’s take on those who deny that Christ died and was raised in glory…. LOL

    Unless you are prepared to recognise that your ‘decimals are weak’ and that you need to sort out your basic FOUNDATIONAL concepts, you are really in no position to argue with a Bushman who (having been adopted) simply have to ask a question at the very source…. 🙂

    LOL
    Shiite man GP
    Bushie don’t even have to ask nowadays….
    He does get tell…
    LOL
    ha ha ha
    Whaloss!!

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  • Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again.
    No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. I received this command from My Father.”
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    Thanks for the reference…

    When Jesus said this, he was actually speaking of the sacrifice made by ‘The Word’ (- spoken of in John 3:16 – ) where a member of the BBE family – indeed, the VERY ONE who designed and conceived this experience that we call ‘life on earth’, CHOSE to give up his LIFE (and this refers to REAL SPIRITUAL LIFE) …..to become a mere mortal man …. and then be resurrected to REAL SPIRITUAL LIFE – to symbolise and demonstrate the GOSPEL that he preached of mankind being able to join him in his fathers house ….WHERE THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS.
    (Why would three individual need so many mansions GP?)

    Bottom line….
    Jesus was an ORDINARY man, ….who USED to be a BBE member called ‘The Word’, and who lived and died AS A MAN, and was then resurrected as the FIRST BORN son of BBE … as will many more to follow.

    After his baptism by John the Baptist however, the impact of the holy spirit (the sense needed to fully appreciate the things of God) radically changed him – as it did the disciples after pentecost ….and as it would any brass bowl …even nowadays…
    LOL
    ha ha ha

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  • WHAT A LOAD!

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  • Why is it that the Anglican church does not baptize its members?

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  • Whay u called Baptism is an indoctrination process by water which is done at the early childhood or infancy by the Anglican Church. The soul body and mind is supposed to be free of carnal knoweldge and is ripe for the acceptance of the Holy Spirit to dwell therein.

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  • 9 0F 9 YA DEVIL

    DEFINE BAPTISM
    HELP BUSHTEA- THE ARIAN- TO EXPLAIN HOW JESUS’ BAPTISM CONVERTED HIM FROM AN ORDINARY MAN TO A MIRACLE WORKER

    WHY DO SO MANY BAPTISED PERSONS THROUGH THE AGES HAVE NOT SIMILARLY CONVERTED FROM ORDINARY PERSONS TO MIRACLE WORKERS

    HELP HIM TO UNDERSTAND THE KENOSIS AND EPISTATIC UNION DESCRIBED IN PHILIPPIANS CHAPTER 2

    HE LIKES TO TALK ABOUT PARABLES
    HELP HIM TO WAFFLE ABOUT THE PARABLE IN JOHN 10, THE THREE TIMES THE WORD “DOOR” IS USED AND HOW JESUS COULD SAY THAT HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

    BU…….A PLACE FOR GRAND ENTERTAINMENT

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  • CAN WUNNAH HELP BUSHIE WID THIS QUESTION?
    If Jesus was ALWAYS God, then what was the whole point? …what was the sacrifice?

    CAN YOU HELP HIM TO INTERPRET THIS PASSAGE FROM HEBREWS 2 AND RELATE IT TO THE CONCEPT OF THE KINSMAN REDEEMER PRESENTED IN LEVITICUS 25 AND ILLUSTRATED IN THE BOOK OF RUTH?

    14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

    17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

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  • The church teaches that baptism is an outward sign towards a spiritual path through the Holy Spirit.
    Since Jesus was therefore of human Flesh John the Baptist thought it necessary and a divine right for Jesus be fully covered by righteousness through the Holy spirit by baptism
    This symbolic form of spirituality by water immersion should put to rest that Jesus was indeed God because if Jesus was indeed God John the Baptist would have said so on his word and there would have been no needvyo have Jesus baptiszed.
    The word became flesh simply means that which was prophesied was manifested in the human flesh through Jesus

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  • Bush Tea December 29, 2017 at 12:27 PM #
    @ GP
    Here is the bottom line..
    Bushie will not waste time arguing SERIOUSLY with someone about integral calculus – when it is clear that that person does NOT grasp the fundamentals of decimals…

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    Bronte

    You sure you mean integral calculus?

    Have you considered the possibility that it might be differential calculus?

    Stick to what you know and let your message stand on its own.

    What you don’t know and want to know, ask!!

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  • @…Georgie Porgie December 29, 2017 at 1:54 PM #

    9 0F 9 YA DEVIL

    DEFINE BAPTISM…..

    I shall refrain from stooping to your level of conduct for someone who boast of having 4 degrees in theology, seem not to have done anything for you. … “ya devil”…As the saying goes…” it takes one to know one ” … your perception is certainly distorted.

    let us KEEP STEPPING.

    What connotes these phases ON BAPTISM

    …REPENT and be baptized….
    … for the REMISSION of sins…
    …I baptize you with WATER …
    … one cometh that baptizes with the HOLY GHOST/Spirit….. and FIRE…
    …this is this the SON of GOD…JOHN 1:34
    …for by ONE SPIRIT are we all Baptized into ONE body…..
    …DRINK into ONE Spirit…
    …many members but one BODY…..
    …that GOD be may BE ALL in ALL….

    and this cap-stone

    GALATIONS 3:27

    FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST ..HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.

    ONE LORD…Jesus
    ONE FAITH… John 3:16
    ONE BAPTISM…
    ONE GOD and FATHER of ALL

    EPHESIANS CHAPTER 4, 1-16 absolute

    what is ASCENSION?

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  • …this is this the SON of GOD…JOHN 1:34
    CORRECTION…SHOUD READ

    …THAT THIS IS THE SON OF GOD…

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  • nine of nine you are a waste of time and all over the place as always
    you have not defined baptism
    you have quoted two unrelated verses on baptism ya seed picker
    hilarious!
    typical BU BRIMBLER

    John
    you are correct about Bush Tea when you posit “Stick to what you know and let your message stand on its own. What you don’t know and want to know, ask!!”

    Tell him why Jesus- the second member of the God head emptied himself of his glory –not his deity and took on the form of a man as clearly taught in Philippians 2

    • The Law of the Kinsman Redeemer required that

    • a. Kinsman-Redeemer be a male blood relative who, according to the laws noted above, had the privilege or responsibility to act for a relative who was in trouble, danger, or need of vindication. Jesus fulfilled this requirement fully.

    • b. The kinsman-redeemer must be a divinely appointed redeemer. Only one who is appointed by God has the right to redeem. (John 10:16-18; Hebrews 10:5-14).

    • c. The one that has right to redeem, must be a near kinsman (Hebrews 2:10-13). The Scriptures are very explicit that this redeemer must be related to the one whom he is going to buy back out of slavery, and that he must be a Kinsman or blood relative.
    • Since the ones who were to become children were flesh and blood – that is, they were mortal men, so also Christ took on flesh and blood and became a mortal man. Jesus took on flesh and became a Kinsman to the human race in order that He might redeem men from sin. Essentially, Jesus is able to redeem, because he is himself both God and man. The Son of God became our kinsman by his incarnation.
    • Jesus satisfied this requirement because God sent Jesus into the world’s slave market of sin to purchase men from their bondage of sin. He became a Kinsman by taking on flesh and becoming a man.
    • Christ by His incarnation became our blood relative so that he might redeem lost humanity. Jesus took on flesh and became a Kinsman to the human race in order that He might redeem men from sin. It was impossible for God to save us apart from the incarnation of Christ. God could not die for us because God cannot die. He is eternal life and He is the source of all life. Only by being born as a man and taking on human flesh could He experience death for us.
    • Since the ones who were to become children were flesh and blood – that is, they were mortal men so also Christ took on flesh and blood and became a mortal man. Hebrews 2:11-12 thus teaches “ For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying, “I will proclaim Thy name to My brethren, in the midst of the congregation I will sing Thy praise, And again, “I will put My trust in Him” And again, “Behold, I and the children whom God has given Me.”

    • The Old Testament prophets promised that One would come who would be the Kinsman Redeemer of all men. He would set right those things that had been made wrong by sin. He would set free those who were in bondage to sin. He would purify those who were unclean. He would sanctify His people. The work of Christ did much more than merely provide a fire insurance policy to protect us from hell. Jesus set us apart or sanctified us and made us a part of a special people, known as the family of God. This is in keeping with the promises made to the patriarchs to the effect that he would be our God, that we would be his people, and his inheritance. God kept His promise in Christ – the Kinsman Redeemer.

    • Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook in the same (Hebrews 2:14).

    • Although the doctrine of redemption from sin is taught extensively in the New Testament, it is not connected closely with the Old Testament concept of kinsman-redeemer. Christ can, however, be regarded as an example of a kinsman-redeemer since he identified himself with us and redeemed us because of our need. Hebrews 2:16-18 and 4:14-16 point out that besides being our redeemer from sin, Jesus is also a kinsman to us and understands our struggles. Thus he is able to help us in our times of need.
    • Christ assumed our nature, so that he could be our near kinsman and our kinsman-redeemer.
    • John 1:14a teaches that “The Word was made flesh,” and Hebrews 2:14-17 makes it clear that the Son of God became a flesh and blood human being so that as the God-Man he could defeat our great enemy and liberate us from the terrors of hell.
    • God the Son did not become an angel, but a human being. He wanted to be like His brothers and sisters “in all things.” Thus he became our perfect kinsman-redeemer. The Lord Jesus became flesh and blood so that He could be our Redeemer.
    • d. The kinsman-redeemer must be himself entirely free of the debt and of the bondage which had fallen on the one who was to be redeemed (Hebrews 7:26).

    • A slave was unable to purchase another slave.
    • From the day that Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden to this day, all have been under that bondage.
    • Since Jesus Christ was the only man who has ever been free from sin, and the bondage of sin, only Christ was qualified to set us free.

    it is a waste of time talking about the Bible on BU…only Dictionary and Zoe seems to have understood what they read and that Isaiah 28:10-13 says
    10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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  • I wish I had such knowledge of the Bible.

    If I had to summarise what I understand I would say Jesus had to be made flesh because He had to be like us to redeem us and had to be free of sin for his sacrifice to be acceptable to God.

    There was nothing ordinary about Him.

    I was unfamiliar with the law of the kinsman redeemer but it makes perfect sense.

    God was following His laws which he expected His Chosen (the Jews) to do.

    I was baptized as an infant in the Anglican Church, had two God Fathers and one God Mother.

    Of course, I have absolutely no memory of the event.

    My God Parents made various promises on my behalf until I became old enough to be Confirmed.

    When I was prepared for Confirmation, Dean Hazelwood explained to us that there were other denominations, like the Baptists, who did not believe in infant Baptism.

    That makes sense, how can an infant know what Baptism means?

    I did nothing to merit the Baptism.

    The Baptists like the Quakers, were one more non-conformist sect that arose out of the Protestant Reformation.

    They interpreted what they read in the Bible differently from the Church of England and became dissenters/non-conformists.

    “Historians trace the earliest church labeled “Baptist” back to 1609 in Amsterdam, Dutch Republic with English Separatist John Smyth as its pastor.[3] In accordance with his reading of the New Testament, he rejected baptism of infants and instituted baptism only of believing adults.[4] Baptist practice spread to England, where the General Baptists considered Christ’s atonement to extend to all people, while the Particular Baptists believed that it extended only to the elect.[5] Thomas Helwys formulated a distinctively Baptist request that the church and the state be kept separate in matters of law, so that individuals might have freedom of religion. Helwys died in prison as a consequence of the religious persecution of English dissenters under King James I. In 1638, Roger Williams established the first Baptist congregation in the North American colonies. In the 18th and 19th centuries, the First and Second Great Awakening increased church membership in the US. [6] Baptist missionaries have spread their faith to every continent.[4]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists

    “Freedom of Religion”, “Separation of Church and State” these were concepts coming straight out of the Protestant Reformation.

    Separatists were people who believed the Church of England could not be changed from within and chose to separate themselves.

    Most of the very first Puritans who came to America were Separatists who went first to Amsterdam and then America to practice their beliefs.

    Subsequently, Puritans who came to America were members of the Church of England who believed they could change the Church from within.

    Puritans won the Civil War in 1648 and they became the Church of England.

    They then begun to persecute the dissenters/non-conformists!!

    Puritans, Baptists, Quakers etc. all Christian but divided by the interpretation of God’s Word.

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  • JOHN
    YOUR UNDERSTANDING THUS IS 100% CORRECT
    If I had to summarise what I understand I would say Jesus had to be made flesh because He had to be like us to redeem us and had to be free of sin for his sacrifice to be acceptable to God. There was nothing ordinary about Him.
    NOTICE I BRING RELEVANT VERSES TO SUPPORT WHAT I BELIEVE.

    RE THE bAPTISTS
    TWO GOOD BOOKS FOR BAPTIST HISTORY ARE
    1- THE FAITHFUL BAPTIST WITNESS and
    2 THE TRAIL OF BLOOD

    THE BAPTIST WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE NOT PROTESTANTS AS THEY DID NOT COME OUT OF THE RC CHURCH
    THEY TEACH THAT WHEN CONSTANTINE MESSED UP THE CHURCH TO FORM THE ROMAN CHURCH THAT THE BIBLE BELIEVERS WENT UNDERGROUND.
    THEY WILL TRACE THEIR ROOTS VIA THE LOLARDS, THE PETROBUCIANS, THE WALDENSES THE ALBIGENSES AND EVENTUALLY THE GERMAN BAPTISTS WHO WERE CALLED”ANA BAPTISTS” BECAUSE THEY RE-BAPTIZED THIER MEMBERS BY IMMERSION RATHER THAN SPRINKLING.

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  • JOHN
    We have jokers on BU that say you dont study the Bible.

    take an innocent looking text like the first few verses in John

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    Look at the verb “was”. In the original greek that past tense is called an aorist. It means that he always was, and he continues to be God. There was never a time that Jesus was not God,

    We have nothing like an aorist in English

    now look at Philippians 2

    Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    verse 6 says he was in the form (morphe) of God
    verse 7 is translated in the KJV as he made himself of no reputation, but the Greek scholars explain that this is better translated “he emptied himself of his glory” This is called the “kenosis” as this is the verb that is translated “made himself of no reputation”

    Next we see that he “took upon him the form (morphe) of a servant”. NOte he took upon himself, i.e he added humanity to his deity. This is called the epistatic union by theologians.

    This means the same thing as John 1:14 where we read “And the Word was made flesh, ”

    This concept is repeated in Hebrews 2 where we read
    Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

    17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

    verse 14 asserts that “the children are partakers of flesh and blood,” In other words WE ARE FLESH AND BLOOD because of an act by our parents. The verb in the original greek for “partake” is PASSIVE!

    however, when it says “he also himself likewise took part of the same” he verb in the original greek for ” took part ” is ACTIVE!
    IN OTHER WORDS WHEN WE WERE BORN……..SOMETHING WAS DONE TO US…….WE HAD NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER

    BUT WHEN HE CAME INTO THE WORLD HE ACTIVELY DECIDED TO DO SO AS THIS WAS A PLAN SINCE THE PROTE EVANGELIUM IN GENESIS 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
    JESUS IS THE SEED OF THE WOMAN C.F GALATIANS 4:4 ET SECQ
    JESUS HAD TO BECOME MAN TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD
    THIS IS WHAT VERSE 17 IS SAYING

    nOW TOMORROW A FEW OF THE BU BIBLE ILLITERATES WILL COME HERE TO MOCK AND SCOFF AND EXUDE BOVINE EXCREMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE IGNORANT, ARROGANT AND UNWILLING TO LEARN , OR TO STUDY THE WORD OF GOD

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  • MORE ON THE RAPTURE
    THE ONSET OF THE SECOND COMING AND CONTEMPORARY TIMES

    Another passage of Scripture that we must master to appreciate exactly when the Lord will come at the rapture relative to his appearance at the second coming is that of 2 Thessalonians 2. This passage is one that helps us to assess how close we are to the fulfillment of both of these important events. To do this, we must first list and briefly discuss the events mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2, state the scriptures that gave us indicators or parameters by which we may judge the onset of these and related events. Then we can confidently say that we are extremely close to the fulfillment of the events of this chapter.

    The events discussed in 2 Thessalonians2 are:-
    1] The rapture of the church( verse 1)
    2] The day of the Lord ( verse 2.)
    3] The falling away (verse3)
    4] The revelation of the man of sin (verses 3, 4,& 8)
    5] The removal of the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit from the world (verse 6&7)
    6] The working of signs, power, lying wonders &deceit by the man of Sin
    7] The delusion and damnation of the unbelievers.

    The context of this chapter is that the Thessalonian Christians were suffering great persecution, and some of them had begun to think that they were passing through “the great tribulation” of which Christ spoke as the terrible time which should precede His coming and that the day of the Lord was already present. They were disturbed about the time of the Lord’s coming and were entertaining wrong views as to the nearness of His return. This was unsettling their lives. The reason for this was that a forged letter and report, both supposed to have come from the apostle Paul, had confused the church and added fuel to the fire. (2 Thess.2:2)

    The Lord’s coming at the rapture, will be “sudden” but sudden does not necessarily mean “immediate.” We are to wait anxiously for this time when the Lord will gather His children to Himself. Christ tells us always to be ready. The “day of the Lord” is “at hand” but it will not come until certain things take place. God always follows out a program. Paul warns the people against confusing the hope of Christ’s coming for His Church, with the day of the Lord’s judgment. Before this “day of the Lord’s judgment,” the following things must happen:

    The coming again of Christ to the earth is the great future event that the Church has looked forward to since Christ ascended from the Mount of Olives and the two men in white apparel said that this same Jesus would so come in like manner as He went into heaven. (See Acts 1:11.) Because of its greatness it has overshadowed all other events. It is “at hand” because it looms so big. In his three week stay with them, Paul had taught the Thessalonian Christians much about the Lord’s coming. He had obviously taught them other truths, but all other things fell into insignificance in proportion to its grandeur and importance. This is a picture of Christ’s coming again in glory. It has loomed big on the horizon of every Christian’s life since the early Church. it is the “blessed hope” of the Church. His coming is “at hand” because it is the greatest future event, but it may not be as immediate as we wish, because God must finish His plan before Christ comes.

    Paul tells them not to panic but hold on to what they had been taught on the issue by him, as well as what Jesus had taught in the Olivet discourse.( Matt 24, Mark 13). In verse 15 Paul told them to be stablished and comforted by the word and doctrine which they had been taught. Paul then told them in verse 3 that that the day of the Lord or the tribulation (not the rapture) shall not come except there be a fulfilling of two conditions. These are that :-

    1 There will be a falling away first.
    2 The man of sin will be revealed. He assured them that both of these things must occur before the day of the Lord or the tribulation period can begin. They were to understand that the persecution which they were experiencing was not the tribulation. After all he had already taught them in I Thes 4:13-17; & 1Thess 5:9-10 that the church would not go through the tribulation.

    The falling away, or apostasia has as its root word, the meaning removal or departure. There are two kinds of removing that will take place. First the organized church will depart from the faith- they will apostasize, as is very apparent today. However, the total apostasy that must occur before the Lord comes at his ephiphany, will occur only after the true church is removed at the rapture. We know that the church will be apostate when the Lord comes, because of the tenor and tone of the rhetorical question he posed in Luke 18:8 when he asked, “When the Son of man cometh [to the earth ] will he find [ the ] faith? That is will he find the body of truth which he left here? The answer is NO! He will not find the faith here when he returns because 1] the organized church or Christendom has departed from the faith – it has apostasized and 2] there has been another departure in that the true church is no longer on earth, for it has departed at the rapture. The rapture of the true Church then, leads to the total apostasizing of the organized church. Paul makes it very clear that the day of the Lord can not begin, nor the great tribulation occur, until the departure of the true church has taken place.

    We are now living in the time of the apostasy because a great number of churches in many countries now deny that the Bible is without error and that it is divinely inspired. They also deny the deity of Christ, that sin exists, that there will be a judgment, that redemption is by the blood of Christ, and many other truths of the Bible. Since we are now living in the time of the apostasy, we know that the rapture of the church could take place very soon.

    The total departure from the faith of the organized church which is left on the earth after the rapture is pictured in Revelation 17 as the great harlot. The Laodicean church which is the seventh and last church described in the book of Revelation is well depicted by the current period of Church History. The present state of the church is a sad one, but when the true church is gone, it will get even worse and end finally in total apostasy.

    The “Lawless One” Must Be Revealed–He will be revealed before Christ appears to the world. But not until the Lord has caught up His own at the rapture will the lawless one come into public view. (2:8) This “lawless one” is described in 2:4. He will oppose God; he has the title “Antichrist.”

    When the Holy Spirit is taken away the “Man of Sin” will open his awful campaign against the Lord. When Christ comes, He will find Antichrist ruling with all power and signs and lying wonders. It will be a time marked with strong delusions. This is Paul’s prediction of the Antichrist. “The sin of man has its final outcome in the Man of Sin.” Read Matthew 24:24. He will be destroyed by Christ.

    The second thing which must happen, is that the man of sin, or the son of perdition or the antichrist must be revealed. This man is most likely living today. He will deceive the world, and will even claim to be God, and will put the Roman empire back together again. The formation of the European common market is a good indicator that this process has started to happen and that time is running out! This is so because this grouping of nations occupy the same land area occupied by the Roman empire (the feet and toes of the image of Daniel 2).

    With respect to how close we are to the fulfillment of the events of this chapter, it is so far very clear that the escalating apostasy in Christendom and the formation of the European common market are issues which point towards the second advent of the Lord. Remember there are no Biblical indicators to the onset of the rapture mentioned in the first two verses of this chapter. The scriptures make it quite clear that no one knows when this will happen.

    In verse 7 Paul teaches that the mystery of lawlessness is already in evidence- it is already working, it was so in Paul’s time. We can see that lawlessness is continuing and getting worse and worse. Previously inconceivable things have become common place. Yes, wickedness is already at work, but it could be worse, but the Holy Spirit at present restrains it somewhat.

    It is not worse because the Holy Spirit will not let Satan do his worse in the current period which we call the age of grace or the church period. However, when the Holy Spirit, the restrainer is removed it will be as if a cork, or stopper, or lid was removed from a container— the liquid of lawlessness will pour out all over the world in that day. When He is removed the wickedness incarnate in the Man of Sin will appear. The events of our current generation suggests that it is time for lawlessness to become rampant. It is as if the lid of the Holy Spirit is about to pop out from the bottle of the corruption of this world. The events of our current generation suggests too, that we are very close to the fulfillment of the events of this chapter. We can say this on the basis of the clear teaching of the word in 2Timothy 3:1-8.

    In this very important portion of scripture, Paul sounded a warning to Timothy about the times and characteristics of those living in the “last days”. We know that the “last days” began with the first coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and continue on to the present time. We know too that this period of time will end at the second coming of the Lord, and that God will complete his purpose for his people during this time. Paul predicted that in the “last days” there would be “terrible times” as the age draws to a close and that the days would become more dangerous and savage. These characteristics began to appear during Paul’s day and have continued to increase. It appears that evil is stronger and more accepted in all societies. It is not in one place, or country but all societies all over the world are affected. The characteristics which Paul describes in 2 Timothy 3:1-8 are prevalent all over the world in people in all walks of life-without exception , and regardless to colour, class or, creed .

    Paul now goes on to tell us why the situation is the way it is. It is because of the moral collapse of mankind.
    Here are the characteristics of man in these last days listed in verses 2–5: People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Notice the word love at the beginning of verse two and love at the end of verse four. It is not a love for God. It is not a love for family. It is not a love for neighbor. It is a love for self and his own pleasure. When this is true all the characteristics in between fall into place. These may be categorized as: A person who loves himself will be boastful, proud, abusive, ungrateful, conceited, without self-control, lover of money. In regard to family he is disobedient to parents, without love, unforgiving. In regard to his neighbor he is brutal, treacherous, rash, not a lover of good. In regard to God he is ungrateful, unholy, loves pleasure rather than God, has a form of godliness but denies its power. The characteristics listed in this passage are the exact ones which are prevalent today in the world and increasingly so; and more so than at any time previously. This behavior makes it very easy to conclude that we are now very close to the fulfillment of the events of this chapter. The tendency to scoff at the idea of the second coming and scriptural truths and for men to follow their own evil desires as predicted in 2 Pet 3:3 , is also cause for concern.

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  • These are other passages which describe accurately the behaviour of the people of our times which cause us to be sure that that we are now very close to the fulfillment of the events of this chapter. In addition, the increasing prevalence of false teachers (among so-called religious leaders who have a form of godliness but deny its power, and who both they twist and resist the truth of God’s Word, and who prey on the weak ; especially weak willed women whom they deceive just as Satan deceived Eve) make as sure that we are now very close to the fulfillment of the events of this chapter.

    It is plain to see that during “the last days” dangerous times will arise. It is not only evident in the world but it is evident in the church. Yes, inside the church, the body of those who profess to be believers, there are men of immoral character and conduct. They are outwardly religious. They are lovers of self rather than God. They are morally, religiously and intellectually perverse. It seems hard to believe that there could be a moving away from the biblical standards of truth and righteousness but this has crept into the church. This scripture so adequately describes our times that it makes us confident that the end of the age is imminent.

    After the rapture, when the Holy Spirit departs with the true church, there will be nothing left to hold back the wickedness of men. Then there will be an awful revelation of the real sin in the world, when there is no hindering by good men and women. Then the sin of man will appear in the Man of Sin, or “that wicked one” whom we call the Antichrist. His coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. (2:8,9) He will perform deceiving miracles. He will delude those who have never received Christ or loved the truth. (2:11)

    The Man of Sin is the same as the Antichrist spoken of by Daniel the prophet, and by the Lord in Matthew 24:23,24. In Revelation 13:1 John tells about him. The Antichrist is a counterfeit Christ. Satan in a last desperate effort will try to imitate Christ. The world would not have God’s Man; now they must have Satan’s man. He will have supernatural powers; perhaps he will be quite a healer and miracle worker. Already in our day and in religious circles we see people who are very interested in signs and lying wonders and those who perform them. The world is in my view being subtly prepared for accepting antichrist’s lying wonders by watching certain religious jokers on television networks which pretend to be dedicated to the spread of the gospel.

    We ought always to be afraid of miracle workers and miracle healers because the next miracle worker predicted by the Bible is the one who is under Satan’s influence…The fact that they are a lot of these spurious workers around who are successfully drawing men to themselves rather than to the Lord indicates that the conditions are already being prepared for the delusion discussed in verse 11.

    When Christ returns, He will find Antichrist (the Man of Sin) carrying out his satanic plans. From the description of the Man of Sin in the Scriptures and his diabolical role of mighty works and lying wonders. It is just as God said it would be. Indeed, the darkest clouds that are gathering are but harbingers of the golden day that is surely coming, when our Lord Himself shall return to take up the reins of government. A Great Failing Away from the Faith was predicted by 2 Thessalonians 2.

    How true this is, in the day in which we are living! People are leaving the faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 3), and denying the Lord that bought them with His own precious blood (II Peter2:1), and crucifying the Lord afresh, and putting Him to shame (Heb. 6:6). The world acknowledges Christ to be a teacher, but not the Saviour. Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (Matt. 24:12) These are perilous times. Scoffers will arise and scoff at the idea of Christ’s coming.

    Having discussed the issue from the word, we can now give an opinion of the obvious and prevailing signs in our times that suggest that the current era may be the start of the “end”. Signs in our times that this may be the start of the “end” include the prevalence of devil worship, belief in United Nations and the concept of world wide peace as issues that will solve the problems of the world. The rapid upsurgence of universal things like globalization, credit cards, computerization of all information systems, bar coding, universal acceptance of US dollar and certain major currencies etc. All of these systems were are subtly designed by the prince of this world to facilitate the coming of the lawless one. Whereas they are generally accepted, only discerning believers seem to appreciate the truth about them. It is not hard to see how the antichrist can control who can buy or sell by having a computerized data base about the world’s citizens. The importance of one currency and globalization of trade is an obvious precursor to a one man government. All ready all bar codes have the number 666 within them. It is not hard to see that one will need a credit card to buy and sell, and that card will be issued by a universal central bank controlled by the political dictator of the world the antichrist. It is not unreasonable to conceive that whereas those who bear the mark of the beast 666 on their foreheads will have in this mark a bar code that will be a fool proof identification of the person, in terms of their sex, colour, creed, height, age, and what ever parameters that may be chosen, in much the same way
    that to transact any business in the U SA, one’s social security number with its coded information is a must. This system is not being copied by many of the nations of the world willy nilly. All of these systems and programs are being designed and will be used along will all the modern tele-
    communication systems currently in vogue ( and those not yet released to the general public) to
    effect the aims and purposes of the devil. The frightening thing is that only a few people are aware of what is happening.

    0ne of the ancient counterfeits and one that will be a key note of his last day satanic strategies (a strategy already prominent today) is the belief in one world government which will be portrayed as a utopia and the final hope for mankind. Any and every one of the divine institutions is being attacked—as predicted in 1 Tim 4:3 we are being told not to marry and to abstain from meat ( i.e be vegetarian).

    But we were told by God to marry in Genesis 2 and to eat meat in Genesis 9. God created the confusion of the tongues in Genesis 11 to discourage a one world government. One world government has as its basis a non dependence on God and a seeking on man’s part to solve his problems apart from God. Speaking in tongues in church is stoutly defended by believers so called, and miracle men are not seen as devilish but of God, especially when the purveyors are clearly not Godly. In Genesis 11, God instituted nationalism, today man stresses internationalism. We were taught tongues were a sign for a period and specific purpose. Today glossolalia is prominent. For ages women kept quiet in church, today women predominate and preside in churches here there and everywhere. The Bible teaches capital punishment, today man advocates social rehabilitation. Divorce and re marriage is every where commonplace. When the “church” is asked for an answer, the true church is either silent or not influencial enough and the false church is definitely not sanctified to give the correct answer, because it really has not the “hope” that Peter talks about or the “faith” for which Jude declares we are to contend.
    IT IS DEFINITELY TIME TO LOOK FOR THE UPPER-TAKER!!

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  • Finally in this chapter we will note that there be religion after the rapture. Note we say religion- not Christianity. This is seen in Revelation 17, where apostate Christendom exerts power over the revived fourth world empire for a short time. However, ecclesiastical Babylon, the “ great harlot” will soon be destroyed by political Babylon ( Rev 17:15-18), with the intent that the beast alone should be the object of worship as taught in 2 Thessalonian 2:3-4; Rev 13:15. However, the power of political Babylon will be short lived, as it will be destroyed by the return of the Lord in glory at Armageddon.

    CONCLUSION

    THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE RAPTURE & THE SECOND COMING

    In this chapter we will try to answer the questions below, as we seek to ascertain what must be done in light of the imminence of the Lord’s coming.

    What are the implications of the rapture?

    (a) to believers

    (b) to unbelievers.

      Will any be saved after the rapture?
    

    What are the implications of the rapture? Weare told to work and watch as we wait expectantly and earnestly for the Lord’s coming. ? For believers, the rapture is :-
    THE BLESSED HOPE OF THE BELIEVER Titus 2:13
    A COMFORTING HOPE FOR THE BELIEVER I Thes 4:18
    A PURIFYING HOPE TO THE BELIEVER 1 John 3:3
    AN ENCOURAGING HOPE WORD TO THE BELIEVER Rev3 :11

    Our waiting demands a perennial looking for Him [Heb 9:28] and a practical life for Him [Titus 2:11-13 , 2Pet 3:11-18.] The imminence of Christ’s coming demands from each Christian A CIRCUMSPECT WALK, A CONSISTENT WITNESS, and A CONSCECRATED WILL as taught in 2 Peter 3and throughout the book of I Thessalonians. Throughout the New Testament it is everywhere clearly taught that after Christ appears for his church there will be a review of believers works. There upon prizes, crowns , and rewards will be distributed and status in the life hereafter conferred according to our faithfulness 2 Corinthians 5:10 ,1 Cor 4:5. Another implication of the rapture, is that it is an incentive for service. The conviction that Jesus might return immediately motivated the early Christians to love one another, to love each other, to live pure lives [I John 3:2-3] and to evangelize. It should be the same for us. Christians who believe in and hope to see Jesus return at any time seek to maintain daily fellowship with God so as not to be ashamed at his coming [ I John 2: 28-29 ]. It is not surprising then that Paul ends 1 Cor 15 , a chapter devoted to teaching the resurrection and the rapture with verse 58! Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord , forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. In the context as a conclusion of the truths that Paul teaches about the second coming and its relations to resurrection, 1 Cor 15: 58 is a good summary of its implications

    PERHAPS SOME ONE —NOT A USUAL BU MOCKER AND SCOFFER– WILL STUMBLE ON TO THIS PAGE AND WILL LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS DISSERTATION ON THE RAPTURE

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  • @ millertheanunnaki

    Are we not in the time of ENKES’ GIFT
    and THE PLANET OF THE CROSSING?
    the passing of Aries and the Bull, Aquarius at hand, whose regime it be?

    Father, Sons, Sister

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ nineofnine December 30, 2017 at 6:53 AM
    “Are we not in the time of ENKES’ GIFT
    and THE PLANET OF THE CROSSING?
    the passing of Aries and the Bull, Aquarius at hand, whose regime it be?”

    That’s pretty ‘Deep’ water you are putting your foot into, young fella.

    You better stay within your ‘shallow’ Piscean limits and accept Abraham’s sacrificial lamb as the gospel just like the ‘lost’ children of Moses looked back to the golden age of the calf for their salvation.

    Yes 9 of 9, seeing that you are an Astrological ‘boff’, we might just be leaving the age of the fisher of men behind to usher in another god for the coming age as the Sun rises and sets in the Constellation of Aquarius- one of the largest rooms (mansions) in ‘Heaven’ (God’s house) and where the Internet would be the new bible and the old play-toys for gods put aside for another future.

    The question is what would be the ‘labour’ cost to be borne for this ‘re-birth’ of the age of technological enlightenment.

    We should not dismiss the role of fire in this process of re-setting of the zodiacal clock. The story of Lot and brimstone falling from the heavens is rather instructive. Nuclear disaster seems like a good way to repay Prometheus.

    Maybe as in the story of Enke (plagiarized as the story of Noah) another deluge of global proportion caused by an extraterrestrial event or even through environmental recklessness arising from modern man’s relationship with Mother Nature.

    “When you enter the city, a man carrying a jug of water will meet you. Follow him to the house he enters, and say to the owner of that house, ‘The Teacher asks, “Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?”’ And he will show you a large, furnished upper room. Make the preparations there.”…”

    “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”

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  • We must speak of deeper things until the prophet comes

    If God is in all things then studying the bible is just a foundation teaching in our spiritual life

    Christians believe God is in Man

    Bible was written by Man,
    through thoughts directed by God

    We can and should all listen to God in our thoughts for our direction

    Jesus taught us how to be the same as him

    When he died his spirit lived on in us

    God is in all religions

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  • If you want to know religion(s) you have to head East to where the religious vibes come from.

    False Christians and false Jews from the West plagiarised and perverted religion
    They want to rule the World in dominion like Satan.
    They teach Wars and lies about their supremacy.
    Brainwashing masses in mass.

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  • millertheanunnaki December 31, 2017 at 3:28 PM #

    We should be familiar with ancient history. should we not?
    The empires of the SSS/SSS-T and the ASA-RRR and their roll on TIAMAT/ARIDU/ERIDU.The significance of the ninth passageways, portals and gateways.The genesis scientists and their roll.

    There seem to be some preparation in the making.
    Is the AR on final approach? word is that the Krulians redirected ..can you confirm?

    ….”The question is what would be the ‘labour’ cost to be borne for this ‘re-birth’ of the age of technological enlightenment”….

    AS in the time of Prince EA quest to rehabilitate Tiamat with the help of the ANNUNAKI after the war (AN-U vs King ZU-ZU/Prince IKU-MAR-BEH) , LIKEWISE the thrust to create ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE (AI) to replace labor might be the plan while working to eliminate 90% of the earth population

    ….”Maybe as in the story of Enke (plagiarized as the story of Noah) another deluge of global proportion caused by an extraterrestrial event or even through environmental recklessness arising from modern man’s relationship with Mother Nature”.

    For your correction.. It was EN-LIL who charted the course of The AR Flagship, the ASA-RRR Ship of State over the poles… the gravitational pull was strong enough to cause glaciers to fall into ocean in hope of destroying EA prized experiment…. so EA built the ship.

    OH BY THE WAY…. I MAY NOT BE AS YOUNG AS YOU THINK…..LOL .

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  • millertheanunnaki December 31, 2017 at 3:28 PM #

    ….”We should not dismiss the role of fire in this process of re-setting of the zodiacal clock. The story of Lot and brimstone falling from the heavens is rather instructive. Nuclear disaster seems like a good way to repay Prometheus”……

    All timelines surrounding the ascension of GAIA is guarded, supervised and monitored by THE GALACTIC FERDEERATION OF LIGHT, there will be no tolerance of any nuclear activity hence ..”that any flesh be saved”…

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  • RE THE bAPTISTS
    TWO GOOD BOOKS FOR BAPTIST HISTORY ARE
    1- THE FAITHFUL BAPTIST WITNESS and
    2 THE TRAIL OF BLOOD
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks for the heads up.

    All the best for the New Year to you and your family

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  • Theophilius Gazerts 240

    Any politician coming here and reading this foolishness would become a crook..
    Why
    He knows ” A fool and his money can easily be parted”
    Stop the foolishness. Move on.

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  • Theophilius Gazerts 240

    Happy 2018

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  • @ Theophilius Gazerts 240 January 1, 2018 at 8:05 AM #
    Any politician coming here and reading this foolishness would become a crook..

    CARE TO EXPLAIN?

    Is it not politics that keeps one in a matrix?

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  • re John January 1, 2018 at 7:02 AM #
    RE THE bAPTISTS
    TWO GOOD BOOKS FOR BAPTIST HISTORY ARE
    1- THE FAITHFUL BAPTIST WITNESS and
    2 THE TRAIL OF BLOOD
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks for the heads up.

    All the best for the New Year to you and your family

    TRY SEEING IF YOU CAN GET CHEAP USED COPIES FROM alibris.com

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  • OF ANCIENT OFF WORLD HISTORY
    OF PLANETARY WARS AND CONTROL
    OF OPS PAST AND PRESENT

    A MUST READ

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_63.htm

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  • Artifical Intelligence, Social media platforms like face book is the breeding ground where creating artificial intelligence becomes easy, i chuckle to see how many people of all races uses that platform to give out away all their personnel information for free
    the movers and shakers of this world must be chucklig in glee knowing full well that their is a game changer in the works using people personnel information to create artificial intelligence as a source of making humans obsolete
    the world presently has too many mouths to feed replacing mankind with robots is another solution to solving that problem.

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  • @ ac

    We know already that any input into most technologies is monitored and can be accessed… social platforms for sure for information also mechanisms are planted in the manufacturing process

    now NANOTECHNOLOGY allows for the delivery of NANOBOTS (transmitters and receivers of frequency/ antenas ) into the human system via breathing for CONTROLING HUMAN BEHAVIOUR….via chemtrails.

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  • Mapping the neuronetworks of the brain is the basis of AI, the real concern is the psychoneurology input is computed into the AI program, surely that’s when the singularity is born with intelligence and emotions.

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  • THE MODUS OPERANDI OF past ROYAL EMPIRES

    When there’s a quest to conquer any territory, Royals sought alliances to further their cause. In the case when MARDUK / Lord RRA son of EA who sought to retake the empire from his uncle EN-LIL, the first thing he did was to use his allies to infiltrate the opponents and strike from within. Succeeding, he moved to remove all traces of stature, change or destroy all records and memory of the former administrators

    Using the mind-altering techniques of his SSA-TA reptilian minions, the new King RRA ordered the systematic alteration of the minds of the beings of ERIDU by converting existing structures with chambers for ‘re-programming” using “Screen” memories/images designed to hide recollection of the event were often implanted.

    The rebel lizards constructed huge towers which would transmit a cloud of electronic signals designed to keep “the Beast” in a fog, a docile state. The electronic blanket also served as a cover preventing outside signals from reaching “the Beast”

    Does it not sound familiar in 2018?. MATRIX GRID?

    To further control the Beast, the Houses of Obedience of Prince EN-LIL, where the Beast visited every seventh day for obedience lessons, were taken over by the SSA-TA. re-programming dogma was taught.

    The Empire entered into the development and the production of a new commodity, a drug called ‘S-MA’. Once a drug used only by Kings, the SHET-I began to make and sell the drug to all the galaxy beings. Profits soared and Lord RRA fast became one of the wealthiest Kings in all the Ninth Sector.

    The “subjects” of territories are also engaged and played as pawns in the game of war to the entertainment of Royals as long as it does nor affect the ruling Empires.

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