Hours after the Windrush story broke the UK Prime Minister May has been forced into damage control mode to apologize to Black leaders. Is this the opportune moment to force the reparations issue?
Here is a link to The Sun newspaper article – Windrush generation – when did the children arrive, are they in the UK illegally and how many are there?
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lol..anything can happen in the UK at anytime, he can’t escape.
Hitler had bombed the UK, city of London sometime in the 40s, I refuse to look it up, saying it from memory because ah know someone will jump out to correct me, anyway, some of those bombs landed on buckingham palace, they were taking a real long time to recover from that bombing and needed labor, plus they needed to build the city, ergo, their british commonwealth citizens in the Caribbean seemed like the best idea, dogs returned to their vomit..
although everyone should have known better given the UK history that when…. the not even remembered…. prime minister in the 50s atlee or the ones before or after him came up with that scheme and doing the dirty work of buckingham palace, it did not bode well for Caribbean people…cause by the 70s there were two new demons in Downing Street harold wilson and the accused pedophile heath….nothing good was going to come of that arrangement for Caribbean people or their descendants…but Caribbean people did not have that level of reasoning, still trying to shake of the mental and physical effects of being brutally enslaved by UK and Europe…so there was no way they had a choice…or any options, after all they were British subjects.
As someone said on facebook, these now senior British citizens if deported will become a major strain on the islands social services and that is what Downing Street wants apart from the demon effect.
no one of African or Caribbean descent is safe in UK, citizen or not, they are all fooling themselves.
if michael gove makes it as prime minister, they will know, cause he spent some years trying to twist the African slave trade into his own fantasy version of outright lies to introduce it into the schools as then minister of education, that failed then, but he is particularly cruel, vindictive and vicious so dont expect him to stop anytime soon, they have spent the last decade really busy plotting and planning for the black race and they aint done yet.
So Ha, Ha either has to stay in his corner, or post anonymously, he can’t have it both ways.
Well…for all the cowards on BU this topic is centre stage on every blog worldwide including facebook and no one else is asking to stop the debate, so leave the Blogmaster alone, he will know how and when to moderate, those who dont like the truth, go watch CBC…and I dont mean CBC Canada.
These now ‘incoherent noises’to use Mr Stuart”s words seeking to ensure that the inalienable right to live and work in the United Kingdom as was the case before Independence remained intact and was not abrogated should have been made at the time when the Colonies of the Caribbean of the United Kingdom were seeking their Independence from the mother country. That said i have little sympathy for those living in Britain all those years who did not take the opportunity to become British citizens when it was not costly and no hassle to do so.Many of them were of the view that it was not necessary because they were returning to their Caribbean countries in the fulness of time.
As I said, when they are ready to deport the ones with citizenship documents in UK, no matter how much they kiss ass and suck up…they gotta leave.
On a related note………..
The US Supreme Court “announced on Tuesday that part of a federal law that makes it easier to deport immigrants who have been convicted of crimes is too vague to be enforced.”
“And in a blow to Donald Trump, the judge the president picked to join the court, Neil Gorsuch, who is known as an arch conservative, sided with the more liberal wing of the court in his decisive vote.”
“The court’s 5-4 decision concerns a provision of immigration law that defines a “crime of violence”. Conviction for a crime of violence subjects an immigrant to deportation and usually speeds up the process.”
Perhaps Americans may wake up tomorrow morning and be greeted with multiple tweets from Trump criticizing and cussing “his man,” Gorsuch.
Gould you imagine Barack Obama getting away with the shiiite this insane administration in the USA continues to get away with.
On the weekend the world was on the brink of World War Three, absent a scheme to let Trump jerk off in Syria. A meaningless bombing. But the final war will still be galloping on, at break neck speed.
And the shiiite continues.
The Trump Road Show continues.
Is there any Black man anywhere in any of our worlds who could possibly get away with this level of incompetence, this level of official corruption, this level of maladministration.
And what is this raaaasoul that permits scared-to-death negroes like Stuart in Barbados and an overt racist like Trump in the USA to continue to rule us until the last dog dies.
And yes, Obama legitimized bulling as part and parcel of this very agenda. But shiiiite man Trump is the worst of the worst.
We held no brief for Obama, but shiiite man at lest he was efficient. In that efficiency the racist still found the Tea Party to oppose him, as he served their best interests. Trump is a product of such a party.
People rise us! Remove these racists by any means necessary.
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/148885/british-pm-apologises-caribbean-countries
it would be nice if some people would stop demonizing those British citizens, children of british commonwealth Caribbean citizens from the 1950s..since they have no clue what they are talking about, see for yourselves, even if you have manmade citizenship there are no guarantees when demons have agendas, it can be you tomorrow, words mean nothing.
LONDON – Prime Minister Theresa May Tuesday publicly apologised to Caribbean countries as she met with Caribbean Community (CARICOM) leaders to discuss the situation of pre-1971 Caribbean undocumented United Kingdom (UK) immigrants.
“I want to apologise to you today. Because we are genuinely sorry for any anxiety that has been caused,” she said, adding “I want to dispel any impression that my government is in some sense clamping down on Commonwealth citizens, particularly those from the Caribbean,” May told the meeting.
“Those who arrived from the Caribbean before 1973 and lived here permanently without significant periods of time away in the last 30 years have the right to remain in the UK.
“As do the vast majority of long-term residents who arrived later, and I don’t want anybody to be in any doubt about their right to remain here in the United Kingdom.”
But that is no consolation at all for those citizens they already imprisoned, deported or refused reentry..
so stop posting crap and read…it was not the fault of the Windrush generation…every idiot white entering Downing Street had a new policy, it victimized these people.
“Under the 1971 Immigration Act, all Commonwealth citizens already living in the UK were given indefinite leave to remain. However, the Home Office did not keep a record of those granted leave to remain or issue any paperwork confirming it, meaning it is difficult for the individuals to now prove they are in the UK legally.
Under the 2012 new policy, extra documentation is demanded from people who arrived in the UK many decades ago, and consider themselves British. Some people have been threatened with deportation to countries they left as children 50 years ago. Others have been denied access to healthcare, lost jobs, or been made homeless as they do not have sufficient paperwork to prove they have the right to be in the United Kingdom.”
Pacha….trump and his clowns take up a whole other load of energy…lol.
I just want to see them all in prison.
Many from the Windrush generation believed because they originated from British colonies there was no need for passports. Also were they not given leave to remain before the 71 Immigration Law was passed. The point here- and Black people are our worse enemy- the Home Office, UK government, must be forced to act in a humane manner.
That cannot be said enough…
I hope Caribbean leaders recognize the leverage they have been given because of Downing Street’s cockup and savagery…….and use that opportunity wisely wisely and dont allow themselves to be fooled by british fake smiles as is the centuries old norm.
David
Your last offering flies into the face of history.
Your assumption is not only misplaced but properly located in the thinking or the mind of a beggar.
First, you must understand that Britain has always been a vicious country.
100 years ago they invaded Russia. Scores of thousands of they troops were badly defeated.Since then they have been accepting all manner of émigrés in its long running war with Russia, still aimed at regime change.
More generally the British have invaded most of the world. To this day they have not accepted that this past is to be different than the present.
The interests of empire, as it is, have always and will always take precedent over your moralistic calculations.
These are the same people who conducted a brutal war, against the Mau Mau,, And we may go on and on. Have you even seen any reparations for these atrocities. Nor will you ever.
Leave that kind of thinking for the Bullingdon buller boys.
Is that our own Sir Guy recently rumored to be the candidate to contest St.John seat?
Mr Blogmster, re your post: “The point here- and Black people are our worse enemy- the Home Office, UK government, must be forced to act in a humane manner”. In a benign perspective yes there is a the need for a humane touch but frankly and bluntly in every other real and important perspective the Home Office needs to stop effing around.
There is no reasonable justification for this state of affairs as described above. The UK invited and used these our brethren as excellent KINdle to stoke the needs of the country and now we have this state of affairs…why is the blame on on us really!
The situation is really much more egregious and distressing as compared to the US DACA folks…as this is squarely the work of a compliant govt who now are caught in an unnecessary quandary. A stroke of a pen and this matter goes away. They caused it. They need to fix it….but of course the adverse climate for immigrant rights is causing angst. This is nonsense.
@Charles, although there is merit to “… [I] have little sympathy for those living in Britain all those years who did not take the opportunity to become British citizens…” I suspect that you appreciate that there are often very VALID reasons why that citizenship decision is not made PARTICULARLY when taxes are being paid annually and so too all other dues paid without fail. Some never travel beyond the UK shores or simply they have no desire to expend the fees.
Maybe all poor decision making on such a crucial aspect of your life but to live and work so many years in a country, sometimes serve in their armed forces and then be so unceremoniously kicked to the nearest plane because of political cowardice or some misdemeanor crime is unreasonable.
And yes i’ts strange Mr Austin has not commented here.
@Pacha
Note how the words were written i.e should be forced. The idea is that like if left to their own thinking the Black man will be relegated to base.
The British have always been vicious liars, May found her ass in a sling and trying to get away with the least amount of damage, dont for one moment think that lopsided bitch means that apology…what they got caught doing could cost her the prime ministership, she is not as lucky as the Downing Street demons who came before her.
“These are the same people who conducted a brutal war, against the Mau Mau,, And we may go on and on. Have you even seen any reparations for these atrocities. Nor will you ever.”
Pacha…they ended up having to pay the Mau Mau millions in reparations recently, it should have been billions of pounds, the same lawyers who represented the Mau, Mau are the same lawyers representing for the Caribbean reparations movement…this is a perfect opportunity to pin her ass down on that.
As long as Caribbean leaders keep it in the front of their minds how twisted and barbaric the british ARE and don’t allow them to spin any tales using their fraud invention of diplomacy, the tenents of which they ignore anyway…
….just remember what Downing Street tried to get away with using the trump handbook….these people’s minds are riddled with hatred.
“….these people’s minds are riddled with hatred.”
In that regard you are the expert, you foul, poisonous racist bitch.
Even that fake apology hurt you didn’t it, but she can keep it.
If no one else knew that these criminals in the home office are lying, I do..that white trash May can keep her lying apology, there is no way they would not have had proof the Windrush generation landed in UK…no way,
“Proof that could have spared members of the Windrush generation from the threat of deportation was destroyed by the Home Office under Theresa May, it has been revealed.
Thousands of landing cards – recording dates of arrival in the UK – were thrown away, despite staff warnings that it would be harder for Caribbean-born residents to establish their right to be in the UK.
The files were discarded in October 2010, when the current prime minister was home secretary, a former Home Office employee revealed.
READ MORE
Theresa May apologises to Caribbean leaders over Windrush scandal
Labour MP David Lammy said the disclosure deepened the scandal of the treatment of the Windrush generation – just hours after Ms May gave a personal apology.
“This revelation from a whistleblower reveals that the problems being faced by the Windrush generation are not down to one-off bureaucratic errors, but as a direct result of systemic incompetence, callousness and cruelty within our immigration system,” he said.
“It is an absolute disgrace that the Home Office has destroyed these documents and then forced Windrush-generation migrants to try and prove their status, threatening them with deportation and stripping them of their rights.
“This was no accident and the orders to destroys records must have come from somebody at the top of the department.”
On Monday, the home secretary Amber Rudd admitted to “appalling” cases of people denied health treatment, stripped of their jobs and faced with deportation to countries they left as children decades ago, and have never returned to.”
@Mirus
Here’s a word for your handbook/playbook.
“picayune”
You have my permission to use it on Facebook.
Impress your friends.
Lol…the more worthless the nuisance posters become, the bigger the scandal of the criminal liar May gets, hopefully she is forced to resign soon.
That wicked liar sat there today with a straight face and lied to Caribbean leaders, knowing she wickedly destroyed those documents to torment the lives of Caribbean black people…..what a beast…, and she actually thought she got away with it…I bet all of the leaders were fooled by her acting skills, in typical dumb black man style.
For those who came late, the utter disrespect and disregard by Theresa May for Caribbean leaders and Caribbean people.
“Proof that could have spared members of the Windrush generation from the threat of deportation was destroyed by the Home Office under Theresa May, it has been revealed.
Thousands of landing cards – recording dates of arrival in the UK – were thrown away, despite staff warnings that it would be harder for Caribbean-born residents to establish their right to be in the UK.
The files were discarded in October 2010, when the current prime minister was home secretary, a former Home Office employee revealed.
READ MORE
Theresa May apologises to Caribbean leaders over Windrush scandal
Labour MP David Lammy said the disclosure deepened the scandal of the treatment of the Windrush generation – just hours after Ms May gave a personal apology.
“This revelation from a whistleblower reveals that the problems being faced by the Windrush generation are not down to one-off bureaucratic errors, but as a direct result of systemic incompetence, callousness and cruelty within our immigration system,” he said.
“It is an absolute disgrace that the Home Office has destroyed these documents and then forced Windrush-generation migrants to try and prove their status, threatening them with deportation and stripping them of their rights.
“This was no accident and the orders to destroys records must have come from somebody at the top of the department.”
On Monday, the home secretary Amber Rudd admitted to “appalling” cases of people denied health treatment, stripped of their jobs and faced with deportation to countries they left as children decades ago, and have never returned to.”
And she is still lying, landing slips carry vital information, proof of entry and am sure there were other important information destroyed because they would have had to visit certain offices to apply for various IDs for schools, tax info for work. what a beast…UK government keeps every scrap of info, unless they deliberately destroy it, in this case, they did.
“By Alan McGuinness, Political Reporter
Downing Street has defended the Home Office’s decision to destroy landing cards recording the arrival of Windrush generation immigrants to the UK.
A spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May said disposing of the documents was the right decision to take, amid a row over the immigration status of people who came to Britain from the Commonwealth after the Second World War.
Labour MP David Lammy said “heads must roll” at the Home Office, while shadow home secretary Diane Abbott labelled the revelation “truly shocking”.
What happened to Hal A? He is MIA (Missing in Action), this is happening in his own bailiwick and we would expect his “expert” analysis of the situation.
Cant get ya own Caribbean people in UK to have ya back at all, every piece of info I gotta go searching for myself, then they want to come on BU and dictate…steupps..
Dont worry, Teresa May knows how to take away citizenships and destroy all evidence too, give her a year or two, if she survives this scandal. ..worse if Michael Gove gets into 10 Downing…ah hope they know they are not safe with these barbaric brits slithering in and out of home office.
Fruendolittle should have made that UK trip, then he would have made some history, but too much commess in Barbados, he missed the opportunity.
I wonder whether it was not one of those West Indian nurse/midwives who delivered Mrs. May and the Immigration Minister?
@David April 17, 2018 5:15 AM “Agree we need to move to the next stage where this event should lead us. What kind of decision making process drove the UK government to this point? Was it an honest error?”
o David. It was not an honest error. It was British wickedness, plain and simple.
@charles skeete April 17, 2018 1:25 PM ” i have little sympathy for those living in Britain all those years who did not take the opportunity to become British citizens when it was not costly and no hassle to do so.Many of them were of the view that it was not necessary because they were returning to their Caribbean countries in the fulness of time”
Not true.
I have multiple siblings. mulltiple classmates, dozens of people form my village who migrated to the U.K. in the 50’s and 60’s. Thease people are not yet dead so please do not start telling lies on them.
While some may have felt they would return to the Caribbean, and while indeed some did return. Some felt that they were already British when they left the Caribbean. My own brother has said to me that he cannot be a Bajan because he has never held a Bajan birth certificate nor passport. That when he left Barbados just before his 21st birthday in 1960 he held a British Commonwealth passport. he did not hold a Bajan birth certificate because back in the 1930’s when he was born children born in Barbados were baptised by British priests in the Anglican church and the baptismal certificate was the only document issued. When he was migrating he went on the British Commonwealth passport since at that time Barbados was a British colony and did not issue Barbados passports. So I am sure that a lot of the migrants like my brother had a reasonable belief that they were British.
In addition many of the migrants were children. I have a niece and nephew who migrated alone (except for the ship’s child minder) when they were 3 and 8. How are 3 and 8 year old supposed to know about documents? Most 3 year olds cannot read, and none are capable of completing immigration forms. Since the parents already had a well founded belief that they were British and the children followed as the children grew up they believed themselves British. They had no reason to check documents nor status. So now these child migrants are 50, 60, 70 years old, their parents have died or become forgetful, the families have moved multiple times and the documents cannot be located or may no longer exist. I myself have no idea where my first passport issued in 1972 is located. I was a child at the time. I had no idea that I was supposed to keep the document for 50 or 60 years or until I die. When a passport or other official document is issued there is no instruction given that the holder is supposed to keep the document for life. There is a reasonable supposition that the issuing authority has the original record.
In addition in these British cases the people worked in the U.K. for decades, paid taxes and national insurance, so the British government must surely have documents which prove that the immigrant was on the spot in the U.K. In addition the migrants married with the permission of the British authorities, registered the births of their children etc, so the U.K. authorities must be aware of where the immigrants were and when.
And less we forget many of the migrants were young labourers, not young lawyers or clerks when they left the Caribbean and went straight to work. They spent their days raising families and working, not filing out papers.
When the U.K authorities granted the migrants indefinite leave to remain in 1971 they ought to have granted each migrant a document setting out his/her status
Going through a similar issue myself now where I am being asked by an authority to prove where I was between 1977 and 1987, when this same authority was deducting taxes and social insurance from my pay checks during those years and so must have a record of where I was, what work I was doing, how much i was being paid etc. exactly how much I was paying in taxes and social insurance yet i am still being asked to prove that I actually resided there.
The British Home Office screwed up. Big time.
Evidence was destroyed by the wicked witch TM during her watch at home office London.
She should never tried for “treason” hung drawn and quartered.
After her demise who/what replaces her is on most people’s minds UK today.
JC the Putin sympathiser
Or idiot Boris ?
UK between sea and hard rock. Conspiracy collaboration and corruption.
Disgraceful…
Things can only get worse !
Do we know how many from the Windrush generation were deported? Yes May apologized but what tangible support will the government be delivering?
David
In a word “none”
TM the barren wicked witch should be tried for treason…
hung drawn and quartered.
Satan in sheeps clothing !
Hypocrites abound !
Q
Who will replace her ?
JC Putin sympathiser
BJ maverick lunatic
Or some other nincanpoops
UKPLC today
Let us see how citizen advocacy grows arising from this issue. At me minimum the government will have to appoint a czar agency to manage race relations in the short term. What is Corbyn saying?
JC is still living in the post USSR era…Roman times.
He and his Labour Party
makes an excellent “opposition” …a govt is as good as its opposition.
JC labour nationalise
TM Tory privatise
Our dilemma ..devil you do !
Sack the 650 misfits in both houses and let’s have Royal
power…to Caesar what is Caesars to god what is gods.
Charles 1st v Cromwell
My power from God king
My power from the people Cromwell
King lost his head “literally”
Isn’t British history amazing and amusing
Off my soap box
Tell them Simple…I get tired of ignorant people who because they are born cowards, always jump out to victim blame, if you are a coward and afraid of evil british leadership or evil US leadership….do like Ha, Ha and keep ya damn mouth shut. .. if ya that clueless about what ya talking about, but to come out and prove to everyone what a coward ya are, defeats what others who have the testicular fortitude and are fighting to expose and rectify for Caribbean people, much more difficult.
At least for the first time in his cowardly life, Ha, Ha has the good sense to say nothing.
This is actually the first opportunity Caribbean people have had in the last 60 years to expose british barbarism, disrespect, viciousness, lies, inhumanity, cruelty to and disregard for Black people, the first opportunity Caribbean leaders have had to pin them down.
no one needs idiots and cowards of the black variety to help squander that opportunity to make significant changes to the filthy british stench still blighting and infecting the Caribbean islands..
@ David “Do we know how many from the Windrush generation were deported? ”
None as far as we can see, though one was days away from it. On the other hand this old boy was disgracefully stopped from coming home…
The terminally stupid May is still digging in her hole, by claiming that destroying the landing cards “was the right decision”. As if she ever had passing acquaintance with any such thing.
PS I see you are still allowing that nasty racist Smell Smell to run your blog. Why is that?
“London (CNN) — The British government has been criticized for a guide published in 2013 that urges people deported from the UK to Jamaica to “try to be ‘Jamaican’” and adopt a “local accent” upon arrival.
The guide, published first in March 2013 and updated in November 2015, was widely criticized after resurfacing late Monday amid widespread condemnation of the government’s treatment of the so-called Windrush generation, the first large group of Caribbean migrants to arrive in the UK after World War II.
In one section of the guide, titled “Some do’s and don’ts”, people being deported from the UK are advised to: “Try to be ‘Jamaican’ — use local accents and dialect (overseas accents can attract unwanted attention).”
Another section on “Local tips” reads: “‘Deportation is not a sentence or punishment but a second chance to build a new life and make a meaningful contribution to build the nation.’ (as stated by a deported person).”
Same old british lies and scams.
45govt April 18, 2018 5:20 AM
Please take a step back and think about the issue. The 1971 Immigration Act, which came in to force in 1973, introduced the legislation under which these undocumented settlers were threatened. It was an even bigger public debate at the time. I remember because I reported on it and it was, obviously, big news in West Indian World, the black newspaper.
What I find more interesting is that the early day motion on the issue was signed by 140 MPs of all parties, out of a total of 650. Where were the other 510? Labour has a total of 259 MPs, where were the others?
Since then, there has been nothing said about the other Labour MPs who did not (refused?) sign the EDM; nothing said about de-selecting them, nothing said about refusing them the whip. That, to my mind, is far more important – that is the real racism, Carbbean voters are not important.
Some people, the usual key board warriors, like to see this as naked racism, when in fact it is a Caribbean issue. We need to ask ourselves when in 47 years these people have not thought of sorting out their residency status. Lifting nonsense from newspaper reports can be misleading. Journalism has no truth mechanisms.
Only last night I saw a BBCTV programme on the murder of Stephen Lawrence in which a very minor part played by myself was mis-represented. I am not complaining; I was asked for an interview and declined.
The other thing about this Windrush issue is that it makes Caribbean high commissioners and politicians (in London for the Commonwealth conference) appear as if they have won some kind of victory.
We need to think seriously about issues before we jump in with both feet. By the way, those Empire Windrush (and later) people have every right to consider Britain their home. They were treated badly.
By the way, the journalist who made the most running in this issue was Amelia Gentleman of the Guardian, ex Daily Mail, and wife of Tory minister Jo Johnson, younger brother of Boris, the Foreign Secretary.
It is very clear here that it is/was just a matter of time before home office slime went after Caribbean people holding citizenship documents, everything was already put in place in the last few years to take it to another level….and you can guarantee they would have found a way.
Then the coward actually comes on to give his version of fantasy mixed with truth….stick to reality, the narrative will not be changing, it can only open more cans of serpents..
…..and the MPs who are exposing this, will definitely NOT be relying on some old has been journalist who is known to twist reality…. for information, they will speak to home office staff present and past and others who were actually there….and present the information to media houses worldwide.
You are aware responding with equally vile or overly emotional comments add nothing to the debate? That said when we understand that we have behaviors that are institutionalized- even in our dominant Black countries- it calls for leadership and dispassionate debate. We are not born with racist views.
Hal Austin – you make good points. The trouble is that when many of the immigrants arrived in the UK, like those emigrating from the UK to Australia and NZ, they none of them expected to ever be able to return. In the 19th century Irish immigrants to the US had wakes held for them for the same reason.
On this issue, the whole country, Left, Right and Centre, along with all the media are solidly behind the Windrush Generation, and disgusted with May and her gang of incompetents.
“…the early day motion on the issue was signed by 140 MPs of all parties, out of a total of 650. Where were the other 510? ”
Have you seen the benches in the Houses of Thieves in Westminster? Nearly always empty, unless the debate is on their own pay, expenses or pension arrangements.
@Hal, in taking a step back can you please clarify why Stephen Lawrence’s murder from so many years ago is linked to this immigrant affair. You slipped in the reference to him so one presumes there are key interconnections besides the obvious racial one.
As always and has been recognized particularly in this past year, the issues and disenfranchisment to populations worldwide is one of lack of leadership or vile policies of centuries gone by, which are still existence today…
….or as in the case of the US, UK, Canada and europe…still existing practices of blatant racism and hatred against various groups of people…particularly against those of African and Caribbean descent.
None of the leaders should be absolved for the way they handle the existence of Caribbean people, particularly the UK…their actions have always been deplorable.
And if we keep pretending that is not the case, we are just as culpable in enabling and supporting their racism and wicked acts against ourselves….as black people have tended to do generationally…regardless their level of education.
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