What is the Issue at the Crane Hotel Between Owner and Vendor?

Some of us want to hear what are the real issues fueling the dispute between the owner of the Crane Resort and beach vendors. It is easy retreat to the emotional side of the issue to beat up on the White guy and shout ‘dah beach is mine’ but has the public been given all the facts around this issue? Clearly Doyle is a businessman and has a right to protect his multi million dollar  invest. And of course the beach vendors benefit from unrestricted access to our beaches.

Source: Facebook

Here is an interview the owner of the Crane Resort had with the Nation newspaper to present his side of the issue.

 

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  • “And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.”

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  • @Hal Austin March 27, 2018 at 3:35 PM “Black Americans born poor are much less likely to move up the income ladder than those in other racial groups, especially whites.”

    Actually the report says that black American MEN…

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  • @Hal Austin March 27, 2018 at 3:38 PM “Black and white children are born into very different economic circumstances. Almost half of black boys and girls are in households in the bottom fifth of the income distribution, compared to just over one in ten white children:(Quote)” “Is this an issue for Barbados, or do we accept things as they are?”

    Is it an issue that so many black MEN withhold support from their own black children?

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  • @lawson March 27, 2018 at 4:33 PM “an inheritance tax is tax on already taxed money.”

    When I as an NIS pensioner pay income tax of 16% on any income above $40,000 per year is the government not taxing me on income which was already taxed during my working life”

    Does not the Canadian government tax CPP and OAS pensions. Certainly my elderly Canadian siblings (all older than 70) tell me so.

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  • NorthernObserver

    SS…Taxing CPP or OAS are “income taxes” paid by the living. Inheritance tax is tax paid by the person/entity who inherits. Estate tax, is tax paid upon the assets of the deceased, before it is distributed (inherited). Different ends of the same candle.

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  • Not sure SS but if you collect a pension for thirty years at 40000 do you think you put that money in there?

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  • Nah!!! I know that my children are putting the money for me. As their children will put it in for them. Until Georgie Porgie’s rapture comes, and we all go to the place where the streets are paved with gold and there is no need for NIS, CPP, OAS.

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  • And in addition I am well aware that I am spending the money of those people who paid in for 5, 10, 15, 20 or more years and then dropped dead. May they rest in peace,

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  • Leviticus 23:22
    “And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.”

    And because this law is so important it is repeated in:

    Deuteronomy 24:19
    “When you reap your harvest in your field and forget a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

    And in Barbados for the last 21 days Freundel Stuart and his band of merry men and women have been reaping the political fields up to the very edge, they have been gathering the gleanings, taking every cent of their salaries and benefits.

    Is the pastor from Marchfield, and his band of merry men and women unaware of these COMMANDMENTS?

    Does it mean then that the Holy Scriptures mean nothing to these people. That they do not desire that God blesses the work of their hands?

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  • In the case of the Crane and the Prime Minister what is being done may not be illegal, but it is certainly UNBLIBICAL, WRONG, IMMORAL, UNETHICAL.

    Shylock too demanded the pound of flesh to which he was entitled. And we know what the word Shylock has come to mean.

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  • And we wasting time talking about linemarks, accounting, constitutions etc.

    Let us talk about right and wrong.

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  • @ Simple Simon
    Until Georgie Porgie’s rapture comes, and we all go to the place where the streets are paved with gold and there is no need for NIS, CPP, OAS.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but while true that we all will go to a place where there is no need for NIS,CPP,OAS etc …..Bushie can confirm that the streets where most will go, will be paved with ashes…
    Brass bowls and gold don’t mix well.

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  • This matter is not about high or low water mark, private or public land. It is simple matter of securing access for vendors, bathers, fishermen or whomever, and there is a simple way to do it.

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  • @enuff

    Why has the government not acted?

    Yes we understand the emotional, we need to understand the issue at the Crane.

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  • David
    Maybe because they don’t have a clue. Whether Crane, Casuarina or Mullins, the approach should be the same–secure access for the public.

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  • Ambassador the Honourable Anthony “Gabby” Carter has just spoken on Brass Tacks on the issue of the Crane.

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  • @enuff

    Why allow the country to become embroiled in an issue at a time we need leadership to focus our collective energy in the national good?

    #steuspe

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  • @Enuff March 28, 2018 at 12:42 PM David: “Maybe because they don’t have a clue. Whether Crane, Casuarina or Mullins, the approach should be the same–secure access for the public.”

    As for Mullins. That is a public beach. The high water mark cannot apply. I cannot tell you how any times as a child walking home from school the sea at Mullins was in the road, straight across the road, on to the eastern side of the road. So no high water mark can apply, there or it would mean that the “land owner” owns the very public road/Highway 1 which leads from north of Speightstown all the way to Bridgetown. And that beach has always been a well used public by the people in my community. I had my Bajan cultural baptism there as a toddler. I am speaking from nearly 70 years of experience.

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  • Simple Simon

    I repeat high or low water mark, private or public are all irrelevant. We need to be more strategic with our policy.

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  • Based on a statement just released the hotel has come to an arrangement with the vendors. What concerns BU is the point made in the statement that the Crane management has been negotiating with the NCC to address concerns by the hotel. Clearly the public outcry has forced the hotel on the defensive but the systematic issue remains i.e. efficient resolution.

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  • Is it that the Crane does not want the vendors to rent chairs to their guests, but instead wants to grab all of the chair trade for itself? After all if the vendors make $2,000 from chair rental the Crane can look at that $104,000 annual revenue as revenue that should go to the Crane. And what if the vendors are earning $5,000 per week. After all $260,000 is a nice little piece of change. I do not believe it is about the Crane’s guests being inconvenienced. After all it does not matter to the guest whether the chair on which they are resting their botsies is a Crane chair or a vendor’s chair.

    So why has the Crane moved the vendor’s chairs?

    If not to replace them with Crane chairs?

    The people at the Crane must think that we are half foolish people.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ David March 28, 2018 at 12:29 PM
    “Why has the government not acted?”

    The same reason the Coverley illegally erected death trap is still there awaiting another innocent motorist or passenger to ‘accidentally’ exhale, for the last time.

    Money talks while ministerial bullshit walks.

    Barbados is a country well known for its role in making the trading and enslavement of black people into an internationally recognized business.

    The country is at such a financially desperate stage, especially with regard to its fast disappearing foreign reserves, that if a Russian mafia man were to offer US $300 million to save the country from bankruptcy in return for the right to have a private beach to be turned into an enclosed nudist camp for foreign flesh you would be surprised to see how fast the political class would become born-again nudists all queuing up to be pleasured not only for their cut of the top but also for the political vote buying sake of keeping black Bajans in the state of conspicuous consumption comfort for which they have become accustomed over the past 25 years of foreign borrowing to shore up its foreign reserves.

    Bajans have reached the end of the line and the piper has been paid for his last tune.
    It’s time for them to earn their keep and stop living off other people’s hard work and earnings either by making and selling things foreign people want or some ‘fronts’ to the sea to survive like Natalie, even to the Mighty Gabby.

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  • @millertheanunnaki March 28, 2018 at 1:38 PM “the political class would become born-again nudists”

    Please beg our political class NOT to take off their clothes in public. That for a lot of them would be an abomination.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Simple Simon March 28, 2018 at 1:27 PM
    “So why has the Crane moved the vendor’s chairs?
    If not to replace them with Crane chairs?”

    The people at the Crane must think that we are half foolish people.”

    Think?? The know absolutely that you black fools are nothing but modern-day slaves.
    Ask Maloney or Bjerkham if you are in any way in “half” doubt.

    BTW, you only have to look into your Cabinet of black moneys to see who is the real organ grinder of the ‘white’ instrument called governance.

    But never mind Simple Simple, help is on the way.

    The Mighty Gabby, like the boy called Jack, is on his way, boots and all, to use the Crane to climb the ‘beany’ mouth stalk to pretend to put the giant Doyle in his foreigner place away from the beach.

    Do you want to bet he, the Mighty god of Bajan calypso, dares not bring that kind of ‘militant’ fervour to bear with respect to Maloney and his Coverly death trap awaiting another golliwog or sambo?

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  • NorthernObserver

    SS…I think you are confused.
    The Crane, and most hotels, provide chairs/umbrellas for those staying with them. The private vendors are renting chairs to beach visitors who are not staying within the Crane complex, who are not allowed to use the chairs provided by the Crane.

    This long standing practice of placing chairs on public property, while restricting their use, is a whole other issue.

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  • The matter is now resolved according to the press statement from the Crane. For now anyway.

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  • @David March 28, 2018 at 2:13 PM “The matter is now resolved according to the press statement from the Crane.”

    Dear David: Since one cannot dispute with oneself, the dispute must therefore between at least two parties, and no one party can say that the dispute is resolved.

    I wait to hear from the vendors, or from the legal representatives of the vendors. And i know that the vendors have some big shot legal representatives within the family, which is why I at first refrained from commenting.

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  • A question for anybody.

    If the Crane has knowingly grown its hotel from a few rooms to hundreds of rooms have they perhaps created their own predicament? We like to think of growth as a good thing. But what if growth becomes so big that the growth becomes a cancer bent on destroying its host?

    Can we talk about self imposed limits on growth?

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  • Therefore the use of the word ‘according’ in the BU comment.

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  • David. Where can the “press statement” be located?

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  • It was read by Sanka Price on the afternoon talk show today. It will turn up somewhere to be sure before end of day.

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  • Did I hear on the evening news that there is going to be a demonstration this weekend to reinforce the fact that “de beach belong to we”?

    But Doyle has poured several million dollars into the Crane and in a one industry town that is not to be dismissed lightly. Last time I visited he was in the midst of constructing some additional units at that location in addition to the (despite the palaver) units in the environs of Skeete’s Bay.

    So wunnah joined at the hip and betta learn to get along.

    BTW what was the dispute about anyway?

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  • If the Crane has knowingly grown its hotel from a few rooms to hundreds of rooms have they perhaps created their own predicament?
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    If one of the Vendors have grown business to 150 chairs what we have is two business men whose interests are inextricably tied up in the size of the beach …. which is shrinking.

    What would two successful business men do in a situation like that?

    Combine forces to combat the shrinkage!!!!

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  • @John

    You have the blogmaster bawllin!

    You have Doyle investing millions in a property to make money on the investment and you have the other party- with an interest in the beach according to you- that we have to classify as itinerant, Do the math!

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  • Who apart from God, can alter what is happening to the beach?

    Who is squirming …. sure looks like the GOB/NCC to me!!

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  • Think!!

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  • @John

    You are conflating two issues. Once there is a beach- diminishing or otherwise- the situation has to be managed if competing interest are present. You may have the final word.

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  • The two interests are not competing!!!

    Even if they were, who would manage them?

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  • That’s why business men often combine forces!!

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  • Is the GOB/NCC under more or less pressure than has been exerted in the last 9 years?

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  • You need to listen to John David.

    ‘Businessmen’ of a certain ilk are known ‘combine forces’ when they see progress being made by businesses of another ilk – with the clear intention of maintaining the status quo. Interestingly, had the progress been made by a small businessman of their same ilk – they would ALSO combine forces – and provided a grant, soft loan, concessions – and even membership of their Boards of Directors…to get that up-and-coming partner on stream.

    The characteristic of this ‘special’ ilk is that they see themselves as having the exclusive rights to the riches of our earth.
    While they do compete with each other at a certain level – the genesis of their being is their adopted philosophy of being somehow superior to others of different ilk….. and of course they judge this superiority on the ownership of material assets.
    No problem so far, that is their right … some brass bowls even worship cows….

    The problem arises when the OTHER brass bowls (of different ilk) ACCEPT this playing field (that is judged by selfishness and greed,) and seek to find success by adhering to the rules of this ridiculous game WHILE AT THE SAME TIME (as you are) calling for ‘fair management of the situation’ and for level heads to interject fairness and justice in resolving the issue.

    This is what Bushie calls brassbowlery….
    It is like entering a kick-boxing competition – while adhering to the belief that it is impolite to kick someone – fat chance of winning.

    If we (foolishly) accept their ground rules, then the sensible thing to do, is to RUTHLESSLY exploit those rules to our maximum benefit just as they routinely do. In a place with an overwhelming majority, it should be an easy slam-dunk….. by using as simple a tool as consumer power for example.

    Obviously, Bushie would want us to establish OUR OWN ground rules for the game in Barbados – where fairness, justice, openness and transparency rules the day (which is where Caswell came in) – BUT FAILING THAT, the next option is to outdo them at their own game….wuh…

    …it is not ONLY businessmen who can combine forces….

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  • Besides the GOB/NCC there are others on the South Coast who are sweating bricks waiting for the penny to drop!!!

    … especially the one who rowed off a whole set of containers to block the view of the public of what was going on in the sea!!!

    I haven’t been and looked as yet but my information suggests to me the groyne was built by Barge … from the sea!!

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  • in 1755, the effects of a tsunami on Portugal were felt in Barbados just 7 hours after the earth quake which generated it

    Here is a computer model.

    .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht0W2E9g8cA

    We accept tsunamis travel vast distances and very quickly but the reason this is so is because water is incompressible.

    Once upon a time Bajans understood that building groynes into the current flow of the sea could produce unexpected results.

    The $$$ spent by the BLP Government to build a new coast guard station on the south coast gave rise to Miami Beach.

    For a while, a dredge operated in a futile attempt to keep the investment viable but in time the efforts were abandoned.

    Where did the sand for Miami beach or for that matter any of the beaches along the South East Coast originate?

    It was in suspension in the sea but the changed currents forced the sea to deposit it on the coastline and form the beaches.

    And where did it come from before it ended up in suspension in the sea?

    My guess is the rocks of the mountains of South America, via the great rivers to the sea!!

    The currents then transported it thousands of miles to Barbados and beyond.

    So, if changing currents can coax sand out of the sea then there must be hope for the Crane Beach!!

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  • It is interesting to watch the bending of waves around the islands in the Atlantic, Azores, Madeira, Canaries and Cape Verde.

    Diffraction patterns and interference are other things you can see.

    The Caribbean was sheltered by these tiny islands … and sea floor topography.

    The 1755 earthquake was absolutely disastrous fro Portugal and its Empire.

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  • Tectonic theory of the formation of South America.

    Barbados is about 700,000 years young!!.

    Interestingly, Africa was at one time part of the Americas … long before Barbados appears!!

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John April 4, 2018 7:29 AM
    “Barbados is about 700,000 years young!!.”

    It’s frighteningly amazing how you, John, can be so intellectually bipolar.

    From one side of your schizophrenic brain you can produce convincingly informative evidence based on ‘tested and proven’ science (in this case Earth’s geology) to prove the same Earth is hundreds of millions years old while, on another occasion, you can shock the hell out of the BU intelligentsia by arguing most profusely that the Judeo-Christian fairy tale of the Earth’s creation-(and by a quantum leap of the Q’s imagination, the Universe)- in 6 days is a ‘factual’ account of the Earth’s origin and current geological status.

    John, please Sir, you just cannot believe in a story involving Adam and Eve and Noah in his intercontinental cruise ship (to collect a pair of llamas and tapirs) covering a 10,000 years of the existence of life on the planet and still want to dabble in ‘Scientific’ curiosity.

    So what is it going to be, Johnny boy?
    A Scientific explanation for the formation of the continents and other land masses (including the “700,000 years young” Bim) as observed ‘Today’ or the much distorted religious mumbo-jumbo copied from the much earlier story tellers of Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations?

    But we wouldn’t put it past you to want to be in a RC church of myth and downright lies while trying to enter the chapel of enlightenment to peep into the tortured but ‘illuminati’ faces of the likes of Copernicus and Galileo.

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  • mta

    How do you define a day as referred to in the Bible?

    Wouldn’t the earth take a little time to cool down before Man was made?

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  • Maybe a day was defined by an epoch which grew shorter and shorter as the creation of Mankind approached?

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  • Kinda simple to accept both science and creation …. in fact many, if not most scientists do!!

    I can tell you are not a scientist!!

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  • John April 4, 2018 10:08 AM

    Have there been any great philosophers who were Quakers?

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John April 4, 2018 10:08 AM
    “How do you define a day as referred to in the Bible?
    Wouldn’t the earth take a little time to cool down before Man was made?”

    By using the same timescale you used to arrive at Barbados being 700,000 (or thereabouts) “young”.

    Isn’t a day in the eyes of your Lord like a thousand years in the eyes of a man called John?

    So there you go little Johnny, Barbados -according to your Genesis timeline- is just 700 days old as created by Yahweh to which he sent two of the children of Cain to be fruitful and multiply to replenish the land with Amerindians.

    “But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.”

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ April 4, 2018 10:12 AM
    “Kinda simple to accept both science and creation …. in fact many, if not most scientists do!!
    I can tell you are not a scientist!!”

    Guess you might arrive at the same conclusion about Charles Darwin whose ‘scientific’ theory of natural selection is totally at odds with the Adam & Eve creation fabrication.

    I suspect you might just reach the same conclusion about Richard Dawkins.

    Why do you think Einstein was a confessed pantheist? Wasn’t he considered the godfather of modern day physics?

    Do you believe that Stephen Hawkings’ cremated remains would one day be reconstituted into a healthy young man on the return of your Sweet Jesus in the 100 to 1,000 years mankind has left on the planet?

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  • John April 4, 2018 10:08 AM
    Have there been any great philosophers who were Quakers?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Does the practice of one’s philosophy make one a philosopher?

    If so, then there were/are many great Quaker philosophers!!

    The abolition of slavery comes out of their philosophy, as shown to them by God.

    So if the philosophy that led to the abolition of slavery is great, then there were many great Quaker philosophers!!

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  • MTA

    Name dropping is just exposing your insecurities.

    What is your scientific experience?

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John April 4, 2018 1:05 PM

    Don’t you do the same “name dropping” when you hallucinate about the halcyon days of Quakerism and white domination of the Bajan landscape?

    Don’t you regale us with a litany of the names of white plantation owners and managers who created Barbados in their own white image and save the Africans from their inevitable fate of Islamic slavery where the males would have become eunuchs and the virgin females taken as concubines after killing off the indigenous people called Amerindian savages?

    The MTA has a lot of ‘scientific experience’, alright.
    But it’s in the’ art’ of not falling for religious bullshit peddled by racist conmen like you.
    And that ‘Experience’ was gained through spending decades in the School of Commonsense leaving with the highest honour in knowing that a people who enslaved you physically cannot liberate you mentally unless you repossessed his stolen library of ancient knowledge.

    Capiche!

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