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Some of us want to hear what are the real issues fueling the dispute between the owner of the Crane Resort and beach vendors. It is easy retreat to the emotional side of the issue to beat up on the White guy and shout ‘dah beach is mine’ but has the public been given all the facts around this issue? Clearly Doyle is a businessman and has a right to protect his multi million dollar  invest. And of course the beach vendors benefit from unrestricted access to our beaches.

Source: Facebook

Here is an interview the owner of the Crane Resort had with the Nation newspaper to present his side of the issue.

 

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131 responses to “What is the Issue at the Crane Hotel Between Owner and Vendor?”

  1. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @ Peter Lawrence Thompson

    Should we ask the Minister of Tourism to inform the BTMI that they guilty of false advertising?

    Should Tourists and Travel agencies be informed that they are trespassing if they go for a walk on the dry portion of the beach ?

  2. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @ Peter Lawrence Thompson, should I return to Barbados I will knowingly tresspass on the

    beaches of Barbados.

    I spent the majority of my life in Barbados ” trespassing “. I also aided and abetted others in

    criminal trespass.

    .

  3. Peter Lawrence Thompson Avatar
    Peter Lawrence Thompson

    @Hants & @Bush Tea: I myself trespass with great vigour and frequency. I am just trying to point out that the law is one thing and justice is entirely something else.

  4. Peter Lawrence Thompson Avatar
    Peter Lawrence Thompson

    I believe we have Sir Henry Forde to thank for the National Conservation Commission Act CAP. 393; it is a mighty crafty piece of legislation. Ridiculed when it was promulgated as an attack on the “small man” beach vendors and gigolos, it has much deeper implications. It basically leaves title in the hands of the privileged beachfront property owners, but strips them of their right to control their own property on the beach.

    Thank you, Sir Henry.

  5. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Barbados law stipulates that all beaches are public so Barbadians and visitors therefore have no shortage of choice from the tranquil Caribbean Sea to the pounding surf of the Atlantic Ocean. Don’t forget to take along your sunscreen, and remember, topless sunbathing is against the law in Barbados. (Quote)

    Plse cite the legislation.

  6. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Peter Lawrence Thompson March 27, 2018 at 9:29 AM #

    The National Conservation Commission Act was only put on the statute books in 2002. Barrow had long before that said the beaches were .free to all citizens.

  7. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    The have a UK office.

    https://corporate.visitbarbados.org/

  8. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    and forgive us our trespasses………

  9. Talking Loud Saying Nothing Avatar
    Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    What is there to prevent homeowners and hoteliers from linking their premises thereby blocking public access to the beach?

    Or, as in the case of Sam Lord’s castle where the proposed designs clearly indicates that the beach section facing this development will be landscaped in such a manner that one would have to be an Olympic swimmer in order to access it.

  10. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @ Sargeant,

    I have no regrets for my “trespasses” on the beaches of Barbados. lol

  11. Peter Lawrence Thompson Avatar
    Peter Lawrence Thompson

    @Hal Austin March 27, 2018 at 9:39 AM
    The National Conservation Commission Act had minor amendments in 2002, but was enacted in 1982. The Act which it replaced, the Parks and Beaches Act, was enacted in 1970 but I have not found a copy on the Internet.

  12. Peter Lawrence Thompson Avatar
    Peter Lawrence Thompson

    @Talking Loud Saying Nothing March 27, 2018 at 9:52 AM #
    “What is there to prevent homeowners and hoteliers from linking their premises thereby blocking public access to the beach?”

    One of the functions of the NCC is to: “to enter into written agreements with owners or occupiers of land adjoining the foreshore for the purpose of obtaining public access to beaches…”

    According to the Act:
    “7. Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act, any land
    required by the Commission
    (a) for the development of a park; or
    (b) for the provision of a public access to a beach,
    may be acquired by the Crown in accordance with the Land
    Acquisition Act.”

  13. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Northern Bajan March 26, 2018 at 10:29 PM #
    “Is it any truth that Maloney & Edghill have bought out the Crane Hotel..”

    If that is true then it means these guys are rolling in dough stuffed away in the foreign bank accounts which the CBB ought to count as part of the country’s foreign reserves in order to paint a much less gloomy outlook that what prevails.

    Then you guys would have to look at Money Maloney in a much different entrepreneurial light in being a man of many tourism seasons from East to West with the capacity to dip his financial dickey bird in so many hotel holes.

    Maybe as a promiscuous baby father sowing wild oats in every hotel room he has plans to let the Hyatt fella with the big erection off the hook and let it be just another stillborn project conceived only in the minds of those who love a scam.

  14. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Peter Lawrence Thompson March 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM #

    Accepted. But does this mean that 1970 was the first time that the principle of free beaches was written in to law? It was .a common belief long before that.. .

  15. Peter Lawrence Thompson Avatar
    Peter Lawrence Thompson

    @Hal Austin March 27, 2018 at 12:38 PM #
    “does this mean that 1970 was the first time that the principle of free beaches was written in to law? It was a common belief long before that…”

    I do not know. I can find no other post independence legislation that pertains to beach access or ownership. Before independence I suspect that it was covered by the same type of crown ownership as in the UK as detailed here: https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/5588/shoreline_management_briefing_note.pdf

  16. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @lawson
    you expect Bajans to unnerstand how the French translate bien sur in English….lol. But foreshore you are correct.

  17. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    I note that Google satellite image of Barbados has been updated (I only know this because a big cloud use to block my property and it no longer does). The image of the Crane is clear. There is a lot of unused land above the high water mark, and below the road. And the line of beach chairs do not extend as far east as the picture in this thread.

  18. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Black Americans born poor are much less likely to move up the income ladder than those in other racial groups, especially whites. Why? Many factors are at work, including educational inequalities, ..

    neighborhood effects,

    workplace discrimination, parenting, access to credit, rates of incarceration, and so on.(Quote)

    Let us start a conversation about inheritance and wealth. Will any of the leading political parties introduce an inheritance tax as part of their manifestos?

  19. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Black and white children are born into very different economic circumstances. Almost half of black boys and girls are in households in the bottom fifth of the income distribution, compared to just over one in ten white children:(Quote)

    Is this an issue for Barbados, or do we accept things as they are?

  20. Peter Lawrence Thompson Avatar
    Peter Lawrence Thompson

    @Hal Austin March 27, 2018 at 3:38 PM # asked “Is this an issue for Barbados…?”

    It is not simply an issue, it is THE issue.

    However, although I am in favour of an inheritance tax, it will inevitably be dumped into general revenue and be pissed away by our politicians.

  21. lawson Avatar
    lawson

    an inheritance tax is tax on already taxed money that seems like paying a tip percentage on your bill after the vat has been added

  22. Peter Lawrence Thompson Avatar
    Peter Lawrence Thompson

    @lawson, ALL tax is tax on already taxed money… think about it, when I pay for a rum at John Moore Bar with after tax income he still has to pay tax again on his profit.

    An inheritance tax is to tax the recipient of the legacy a portion of the money which s/he did not earn.

  23. lawson Avatar
    lawson

    true but if he pays tax again on his profit what twisted mind thinks he should pay tax then again when he dies and decides you being one of his best customers should benefit with a token of his hard work. It would be more beneficial to be hedonistic, and self indulgent so you enjoy the fruits of your labor rather than the govt officials having fun with it after your gone.

  24. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    The challenge is that inheritance tax(es) are easily avoided. A corporation or trust never dies? One ends up taxing those who are unaware of how to avoid them.

  25. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    King James Bible: Leviticus 23:22 “And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.”

    This is the word of the Lord to all peoples of the Book, to Jews, to Christians, to Muslims and to Rastafarians

    We read that passage at our father’s funeral, because he had always lived his life remembering others. His favourite words were “you should never think that you are so poor that you have nothing to offer to somebody else” He enjoyed good health, long life and happiness, his children have all lived to healthy old age.

    Even if you can take everything for yourself. Don’t. Even if it is all yours and you want to take all for yourself. Don’t.

    Remember always the poor, the orphans, the widows and widowers, the marginalised. Because one of these days you too [or your children, or your children’s children] will be in need. It may not be financial need, but you will be in need and you will need somebody else to help you.

    Did Steve Jobs billions grant him long life, good health and happiness? Did David Thompson’s alleged millions grant him good health, long life and happiness? No. At some time in your life you will be in need. And how do you know who will be there for you?

  26. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    “And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.”

  27. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @Hal Austin March 27, 2018 at 3:35 PM “Black Americans born poor are much less likely to move up the income ladder than those in other racial groups, especially whites.”

    Actually the report says that black American MEN…

  28. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @Hal Austin March 27, 2018 at 3:38 PM “Black and white children are born into very different economic circumstances. Almost half of black boys and girls are in households in the bottom fifth of the income distribution, compared to just over one in ten white children:(Quote)” “Is this an issue for Barbados, or do we accept things as they are?”

    Is it an issue that so many black MEN withhold support from their own black children?

  29. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @lawson March 27, 2018 at 4:33 PM “an inheritance tax is tax on already taxed money.”

    When I as an NIS pensioner pay income tax of 16% on any income above $40,000 per year is the government not taxing me on income which was already taxed during my working life”

    Does not the Canadian government tax CPP and OAS pensions. Certainly my elderly Canadian siblings (all older than 70) tell me so.

  30. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    SS…Taxing CPP or OAS are “income taxes” paid by the living. Inheritance tax is tax paid by the person/entity who inherits. Estate tax, is tax paid upon the assets of the deceased, before it is distributed (inherited). Different ends of the same candle.

  31. lawson Avatar
    lawson

    Not sure SS but if you collect a pension for thirty years at 40000 do you think you put that money in there?

  32. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Nah!!! I know that my children are putting the money for me. As their children will put it in for them. Until Georgie Porgie’s rapture comes, and we all go to the place where the streets are paved with gold and there is no need for NIS, CPP, OAS.

  33. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    And in addition I am well aware that I am spending the money of those people who paid in for 5, 10, 15, 20 or more years and then dropped dead. May they rest in peace,

  34. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Leviticus 23:22
    “And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.”

    And because this law is so important it is repeated in:

    Deuteronomy 24:19
    “When you reap your harvest in your field and forget a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

    And in Barbados for the last 21 days Freundel Stuart and his band of merry men and women have been reaping the political fields up to the very edge, they have been gathering the gleanings, taking every cent of their salaries and benefits.

    Is the pastor from Marchfield, and his band of merry men and women unaware of these COMMANDMENTS?

    Does it mean then that the Holy Scriptures mean nothing to these people. That they do not desire that God blesses the work of their hands?

  35. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    In the case of the Crane and the Prime Minister what is being done may not be illegal, but it is certainly UNBLIBICAL, WRONG, IMMORAL, UNETHICAL.

    Shylock too demanded the pound of flesh to which he was entitled. And we know what the word Shylock has come to mean.

  36. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    And we wasting time talking about linemarks, accounting, constitutions etc.

    Let us talk about right and wrong.

  37. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ Simple Simon
    Until Georgie Porgie’s rapture comes, and we all go to the place where the streets are paved with gold and there is no need for NIS, CPP, OAS.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but while true that we all will go to a place where there is no need for NIS,CPP,OAS etc …..Bushie can confirm that the streets where most will go, will be paved with ashes…
    Brass bowls and gold don’t mix well.

  38. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    This matter is not about high or low water mark, private or public land. It is simple matter of securing access for vendors, bathers, fishermen or whomever, and there is a simple way to do it.

  39. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    Why has the government not acted?

    Yes we understand the emotional, we need to understand the issue at the Crane.

  40. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    David
    Maybe because they don’t have a clue. Whether Crane, Casuarina or Mullins, the approach should be the same–secure access for the public.

  41. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Ambassador the Honourable Anthony “Gabby” Carter has just spoken on Brass Tacks on the issue of the Crane.

  42. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    Why allow the country to become embroiled in an issue at a time we need leadership to focus our collective energy in the national good?

    #steuspe

  43. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @Enuff March 28, 2018 at 12:42 PM David: “Maybe because they don’t have a clue. Whether Crane, Casuarina or Mullins, the approach should be the same–secure access for the public.”

    As for Mullins. That is a public beach. The high water mark cannot apply. I cannot tell you how any times as a child walking home from school the sea at Mullins was in the road, straight across the road, on to the eastern side of the road. So no high water mark can apply, there or it would mean that the “land owner” owns the very public road/Highway 1 which leads from north of Speightstown all the way to Bridgetown. And that beach has always been a well used public by the people in my community. I had my Bajan cultural baptism there as a toddler. I am speaking from nearly 70 years of experience.

  44. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Simple Simon

    I repeat high or low water mark, private or public are all irrelevant. We need to be more strategic with our policy.

  45. David Avatar
    David

    Based on a statement just released the hotel has come to an arrangement with the vendors. What concerns BU is the point made in the statement that the Crane management has been negotiating with the NCC to address concerns by the hotel. Clearly the public outcry has forced the hotel on the defensive but the systematic issue remains i.e. efficient resolution.

  46. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Is it that the Crane does not want the vendors to rent chairs to their guests, but instead wants to grab all of the chair trade for itself? After all if the vendors make $2,000 from chair rental the Crane can look at that $104,000 annual revenue as revenue that should go to the Crane. And what if the vendors are earning $5,000 per week. After all $260,000 is a nice little piece of change. I do not believe it is about the Crane’s guests being inconvenienced. After all it does not matter to the guest whether the chair on which they are resting their botsies is a Crane chair or a vendor’s chair.

    So why has the Crane moved the vendor’s chairs?

    If not to replace them with Crane chairs?

    The people at the Crane must think that we are half foolish people.

  47. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ David March 28, 2018 at 12:29 PM
    “Why has the government not acted?”

    The same reason the Coverley illegally erected death trap is still there awaiting another innocent motorist or passenger to ‘accidentally’ exhale, for the last time.

    Money talks while ministerial bullshit walks.

    Barbados is a country well known for its role in making the trading and enslavement of black people into an internationally recognized business.

    The country is at such a financially desperate stage, especially with regard to its fast disappearing foreign reserves, that if a Russian mafia man were to offer US $300 million to save the country from bankruptcy in return for the right to have a private beach to be turned into an enclosed nudist camp for foreign flesh you would be surprised to see how fast the political class would become born-again nudists all queuing up to be pleasured not only for their cut of the top but also for the political vote buying sake of keeping black Bajans in the state of conspicuous consumption comfort for which they have become accustomed over the past 25 years of foreign borrowing to shore up its foreign reserves.

    Bajans have reached the end of the line and the piper has been paid for his last tune.
    It’s time for them to earn their keep and stop living off other people’s hard work and earnings either by making and selling things foreign people want or some ‘fronts’ to the sea to survive like Natalie, even to the Mighty Gabby.

  48. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @millertheanunnaki March 28, 2018 at 1:38 PM “the political class would become born-again nudists”

    Please beg our political class NOT to take off their clothes in public. That for a lot of them would be an abomination.

  49. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Simple Simon March 28, 2018 at 1:27 PM
    “So why has the Crane moved the vendor’s chairs?
    If not to replace them with Crane chairs?”

    The people at the Crane must think that we are half foolish people.”

    Think?? The know absolutely that you black fools are nothing but modern-day slaves.
    Ask Maloney or Bjerkham if you are in any way in “half” doubt.

    BTW, you only have to look into your Cabinet of black moneys to see who is the real organ grinder of the ‘white’ instrument called governance.

    But never mind Simple Simple, help is on the way.

    The Mighty Gabby, like the boy called Jack, is on his way, boots and all, to use the Crane to climb the ‘beany’ mouth stalk to pretend to put the giant Doyle in his foreigner place away from the beach.

    Do you want to bet he, the Mighty god of Bajan calypso, dares not bring that kind of ‘militant’ fervour to bear with respect to Maloney and his Coverly death trap awaiting another golliwog or sambo?

  50. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    SS…I think you are confused.
    The Crane, and most hotels, provide chairs/umbrellas for those staying with them. The private vendors are renting chairs to beach visitors who are not staying within the Crane complex, who are not allowed to use the chairs provided by the Crane.

    This long standing practice of placing chairs on public property, while restricting their use, is a whole other issue.

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