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My last article on Barbadosโ€™ vote against the US received sufficient feedback to justify a further explanation.ย  Some felt that it was simply a case of the US bullying another country, and Barbadosโ€™ courageous stand against the USโ€™ offensive threats of retaliation against countries who dared not vote with it.ย  But is this true?
In assessing claims of truth, we should evaluate evidence.ย  What is the available evidence?ย  The US decided to move its Israel embassy to Jerusalem.ย  Israel did not object.ย  However, the UN objected and tried to force the US to change its decision.ย  It did this by crafting a non-binding resolution to condemn the US before all nations at the UN General Assembly.

This type of targeted sanction is normally reserved for nations committing highly offensive actions, like genocide.ย  The US objected to being singled out for this type of sanction, and the US responded by noting those who voted to condemn it, in order to re-evaluate their friendship agreements.ย  This is not bullying, rather, it is a response to being bullied.

What is Barbadosโ€™ bullying experience with voting against US interests in Israel?ย  I have found no evidence that Barbados has ever been bullied into voting the way that the US votes.ย  The evidence shows that every year, it is typical that 100% of our votes are against the way that the US and Israel votes, and this has never put our friendship with the US at any risk.ย  So why are some claiming that the US bullies us when there is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim?ย  Perhaps we are being manipulated.

Let us now address this last UN vote.ย  This vote was unlike anything that we have ever done as an independent nation.ย  It was not the typical vote that targeted an issue favourable to Israel or the Palestinians, this was a massive vote directly targeting the US for international condemnation.ย  That is why the US Ambassador issued her unprecedented warning, which persons have mis-defined as bullying.ย  This is the first and only time since our independence that we have ever put our friendship with the US in such jeopardy.
To put this in perspective, let us assume that China was singled out for severe criticism at the UN on human rights abuses, and China warned Barbados not to disrespect them before all nations.ย  Would our principled UN representatives vote to publically embarrass China?ย  Probably not.

Guyana is currently trying to exploit significant oil reserves in waters disputed by Venezuela.ย  In my opinion, Guyana has a strong case, but let us assume that Guyana was singled out for criticism at the UN for this action, and they asked us not to disrespect them before all nations.ย  Would we vote to publically embarrass our Caribbean friend and neighbour?ย  Probably not.ย  Why not?ย  Because we are principled hypocrites?ย  No.ย  Because that is not how we treat our friends.ย  But perhaps it is how we treat perceived enemies.

Errol Barrow summarised our foreign policy as friends of all and satellites of none.ย  It seems that we are being manipulated into adding โ€ฆ and enemies of the US.ย  The question is why?

Some have justified our vote by claiming that we have no beneficial relationship with the US, and therefore, nothing to lose by derisively criticising the US in front of all other nations.ย  This is simply not true.ย  Barbados is a highly favoured trading partner with the US.ย  Barbados does not just have a good trading (double-taxation) agreement with the US, or a very good trade agreement like that of Trinidad and Tobago who had an active US military base at the time. We have a rare exceptionally favourable (to Barbados) trading agreement with the US. It is almost unheard of internationally and it is the envy or every country that learns of it.

Being the 2014 winner of the National Innovation Competition, I train groups of individuals, free of cost, to start and grow profitable businesses.ย  Participants learn to trade with the US and take advantage of this highly beneficial (to Barbados) trade agreement, with direct access to the largest consumer market on the planet.ย  So I know of what I write.

We are currently on the brink of economic ruin.ย  The main thing that may keep Barbadians from losing their mortgaged homes, and out of dire poverty if we are surrendered to the IMF, is that favourable trade agreement.ย  Regrettably, we carelessly treated our friendship with the US with reckless indifference.

Our representativesโ€™ excuse that we were just voting on principle in support of International Law, seems to confirm that they simply misread the UN vote as just another typical vote against Israelโ€™s interests.ย  The US Ambassadorโ€™s uncharacteristic warnings should have prompted them to take a closer look.

So, if we could do it all over again, then how should we have voted?ย  In my opinion, the most appropriate course of action for complex disputes where we do not have all of the facts, is to abstain from voting.ย  We should remember that when a vote was taken to give the Palestinians non-member observer state status in the UN in 2012, Barbados did not get involved in the dispute and simply abstained from voting.

The approximately 70-year Arab-Israel dispute qualifies as complex.ย  Adding a bilateral agreement between the US and Israel that is of concern to the UN further complicates an already complex issue.ย  Therefore, the most appropriate course of action in the interest of all Barbadians was to abstain from voting.ย  Eight of our Caribbean neighbours voted in the interests of their citizens and did just that.

Most Barbadians are completely unaware of the grave danger that our UN representatives have now placed us.ย  If we actually misread the vote as I am charitably assuming, then the damage can be repaired.ย  However, if it was intentional, then they should have at least warned us to brace for the likely consequences.

So my main point is that if we feel disrespected by another country at the UN, we should vote for the best interest of Barbadians.ย  If we feel bullied, we should vote for the best interest of Barbadians.ย  If the US bullies or does not bully another nation, we should vote for the best interest of Barbadians.ย  If the Palestinians want to establish a runway in Gaza and a central bank in the West Bank, we should vote for the best interests of Barbadians.ย  In my opinion, our recent vote was not in the best interest of Barbadians.ย  I am willing to be convinced otherwise with additional evidence.

The only reason why we should not vote for our own self-interests is if there is genocide and the like in another country.ย  Otherwise, we should do what every other country at the UN does โ€“ vote for the self-interests of our citizens, and be wary of being manipulated into voting for the interests of others at the expense of our citizens.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer, an analyst of history, and the founder of Solutions Barbados.ย  He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com


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162 responses to “The Grenville Phillips Column – Brace for the Consequences”

  1. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Let Grenville maintain his position, just dont vote him in as any prime minister, that way, the only one he will continue to be a clear and present danger to, is himself, because of his ignorance…..

    ……all the degrees in the world and he is still the village idiot.

    “In anticipation of the โ€˜comingโ€™ of the religious zealot Georgie Porgie

    Another man on whom public education has been wasted.

    This Georgie Porgie is the proof certain that public moneys are wasted on idiots. Why โ€˜educateโ€™ these people if magical thinking will become the preordained master narrative? For it is a waste of time and resources on all sides.

    We suggest that he pays back to the Bajans all that which has been wasted on him. Maybe his mystery god will so provide.”

    Sadly I have to agree, they are called the brainwashed, mindwashed negro….and have been a danger and destruction to the Black race for centuries. …all the demons had to do was hand them a bible of fabrications and they all did the rest themselves….centuries later they are still destructive.

    ……like a friend once told me….Il n’est jamais difficile de tromper ou de laver le cerveau des Noirs, c’est la chose la plus facile au monde ร  accomplir……a shame and disgrace indeed.

    Pacha…they know not that they know not. ..there has been a video circulating for over a decade in the US wuth Hassidic jews telling Black people in the US that they, the black race are the real jews, but black Caribbean people of the brainwashed variety will fight that truth with all their weak being, even if it kills them..

  2. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie January 5, 2018 at 11:43 AM
    โ€œHowever, under the AntiChrist a short lived treaty will be made and there will be a two state situation as clearly alluded to in Revelation.
    When the treaty is broken after 2.5 yearsโ€ฆโ€ฆALL HELL WILL BROKE LOOSE AT THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON. GUESS WHO FIGHTS AND WINS THIS BATTLE?โ€

    And GP, on whose side would the Hindus and Chinese will be aligned?
    With Jews, Jesus and his angels or with the Muslims like the Palestinians, Iranians or Arabians?


  3. @millerthemonkey – “Hal is a confessed Socialist. A person anathema to everything you stand for.”
    You have NO IDEA what I stand for. I can see for myself who are contributors to BU, and who use it as their personal stamping ground to air their demons, and expose their sickness. I remain puzzled as to why the blog host puts up with illiterate, verbose, and endless rantings from people who clearly should be in secure accomodation. The tsunami of racist filth from Well Well, What A Racist Orifice I Am enlightens no-one, and merely serves to drive away more thoughtful contributors. The creature is sick. If tourists were to be exposed to his outpourings, their first reaction would to shake their heads in disbelief, the second to book elsewhere.


  4. Are you suggesting Nikki Haley, (who is a member of Trump’s team) saying “Jerusalem move pushes ball forward for peace” is gospel because she says so?



  5. millertheanunnaki January 5, 2018 at 11:25 AM #

    โ€œHal is a confessed Socialist. โ€ฆโ€ฆ..

    Call it a charge. Now how do you plead?

    Here is a good example of your problems with the English language. First, Hal is a confessed socialist, then when asked for evidence ie any instance when I confessed to being a socialist, then the semi-literate nonsense about it being a charge. You are a brain dead fabricated illogical keyboard warrior. Go away and get something between your ears, you foul-mouthed idiot.


  6. Artax January 5, 2018 at 12:07 PM #
    Are you suggesting Nikki Haley, (who is a member of Trumpโ€™s team) saying โ€œJerusalem move pushes ball forward for peaceโ€ is gospel because she says so?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You already know my position on peace … it is unattainable!!!!

  7. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Apparently Grenville held a strong belief that we were waiting for him to educate us about the truth …using lies….re UN, US, fraudulent israel and Palestine.

    That is for ill informed jackasses like Hal et al, not for well traveled people who are wide awake.


  8. And GP, on whose side would the Hindus and Chinese will be aligned?
    With Jews, Jesus and his angels or with the Muslims like the Palestinians, Iranians or Arabians?
    +++++++++++++++++++

    How many Muslims in China?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China

    Most are Sunni

    … and in India?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India

  9. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    45fraudstertheskidmark…ya are a real idiot, have you ever visited Facebook…ya should.

    Soon tourism will become obsolete and what will be ya excuse then, ya dummy……

    …..there is enough shit on the south coast to even drive Bajans away, they dont need me,..lol

  10. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ John January 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM #
    โ€œJerusalem is the capital of Israel, that is reality!!โ€

    And all along we were brainwashed into believing what William Blake wrote about Jerusalem being in Englandโ€™s green and pleasant land.

    Isnโ€™t Jerusalem a state of mind like Heaven on Earth or Paradise or Valhalla or Bhuva Loka.

    โ€œ And did those feet in ancient time
    Walk upon Englands mountains green:
    And was the holy Lamb of God,
    On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

    And did the Countenance Divine,
    Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?

    Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
    Bring me my arrows of desire:
    Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
    Bring me my Chariot of fire!

    I will not cease from Mental Fight,
    Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand:
    Till we have built Jerusalem,
    In Englands green & pleasant Land.

  11. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Miller…everyone with intelligence knows that the criminal rothchilds in cahoots with the beasts of buckingham palace, stole that pile of sand from the Pakestinian people and gave to the fake jews back in 1948, just reading all the confusion leading up to that theft, if ya have not read it already, will make ya head spin..the rothdchilds admitted to the whole criminal enterprise.

    …. but here ya have Grenville and a gaggle of fellow idiots trying to rewrite the truth….in their own minds, believing they got something to get from the murder and wholesale slaughter of the Palestinian people and their future generations.

    When ya digging a grave for others….always dig two.

  12. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Hal Austin January 5, 2018 at 12:07 PM

    We leave you to the likes of Artax, WW&C, Pacha and even David.
    I am in good company.

    Now, may I sit next to you, please Mr. Man with the Porcine Features that do Not belie your true character?

  13. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Ah bet ya all of these bottom feeding negros are so in awe of the criminal rothschilds, they would even be too afraid to type or say their names, the house negro is the most dangerous and treacherous of animals.

  14. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ John January 5, 2018 at 12:12 PM

    You sound as if Jesus is returning only to settle the final battle among the warring factions of the seed of Abraham.

    In that case the rest of the world can look on in awe and wonder.
    Sounds like a good video game to be developed by the Japanese and copied by the Chinese

  15. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Lol…ya cant make any of this up.

    Black people will never learn..

    No one trusts house negros.

    Particulary the white tribe.


  16. millertheanunnaki January 5, 2018 at 12:06 PM #
    @ Georgie Porgie January 5, 2018 at 11:43 AM
    โ€œHowever, under the AntiChrist a short lived treaty will be made and there will be a two state

    And GP, on whose side would the Hindus and Chinese will be aligned?

    With Jews, Jesus and his angels or with the Muslims like the Palestinians, Iranians or Arabians?โ€œ
    THE SIDE OF THE BU BRIMBLERS WHO CAN ONLY RANT AND RAVE BUT CANT DO NUTTIN lol

    Everytime this issue is raised…the same people keep the same noises here on BU and elsewhere. This is to be expected Does not Psalm 2 say thus…

    2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

    2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

    3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

    4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

    5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

    6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

    7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

    9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

    10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

    11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

    12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


  17. re millertheanunnaki January 5, 2018 at 12:56 PM #
    @ John January 5, 2018 at 12:12 PM

    You sound as if Jesus is returning only to settle the final battle among the warring factions of the seed of Abraham.
    NOT AN UNREASONABLE CONCLUSION

    In that case the rest of the world can look on in awe and wonder. THEY WILL BUT THE ARMIES OF THE UNITED NATIONS WILL BE INVOLVED
    Sounds like a good video game to be developed by the Japanese and copied by the Chinese
    WONT BE A VIDEO GAME
    IT WILL BE LIVE
    the Japanese and the Chinese WILL PARTICIPATE AS THE KINGS OF THE EAST
    THEY TOO WILL BE CRUSHED

  18. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ 45govt January 5, 2018 at 12:06 PM

    Are we to conclude you have experienced a Damascene moment and have seen the coming of the Capitalist devil? Arenโ€™t you the archenemy of any thing communist socialist or in-between?

    So 45govt, why do you persist in visiting the blog and contributing? Shit can only come from an asshole, not so?

    Why not go and read instead your Judeo-Christian book of myths. It might just be more up your intellectual street.

    I have deliberately gone against the moral message contained in the following axiom. Please donโ€™t ape me like a genuine monkey:

    โ€œTo speak ill of others is a dishonest way of praising ourselves.โ€ ~Will Durant


  19. We can and are doing a lot

    Your useless god (dog) has sent a madman to be your savior.

    What a joke!


  20. Grenville

    The son of the corporate undertaker

    Your attempts to frighten us about ‘consequences’ is tardy

    This American empire is on its last leg and nobody but idiots like you are afraid of them or look to them anymore.

    After this year, 2018, they will not last but a few more, Thus says Pachamama, the God of this system of things!


  21. “corporate undertaker”–brilliant!๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ


  22. And all along we were brainwashed into believing what William Blake wrote about Jerusalem being in Englandโ€™s green and pleasant land.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You should investigate and see why William Blake would think such a thing!!

    You might get a surprise!!


  23. millertheanunnaki January 5, 2018 at 12:56 PM #
    @ John January 5, 2018 at 12:12 PM
    You sound as if Jesus is returning only to settle the final battle among the warring factions of the seed of Abraham.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You imposed the limits, I just showed you there are interested parties in India and China!!


  24. David

    BTW, that map does not represent the ‘facts on the ground’

    The West Bank which the christian-zionists like Georgie Porgie, call Judea and Samaria, is almost completely taken over by the Jewish settlers from Brooklyn and elsewhere.

    There are some Blacks too, form the US mainly, who make claims about being Hebrews, especially around Dimona. We have visited with them. They presence supports the Zionist settler state and some are coming to see that now.

    But even you David, if you were to become a Jew tomorrow, and that is easy to do, you will be given Palestinian lands, even a house from which a Palestinian family may have been evicted, to fuel Palestinian dispossession.

    So the West Bank is carved up, with roads and enclaves for Jews only, and so on.

    The West Bank is very far from the picture presented by you, a series on canton.

    A lot of this state terrorism is sponsored by American money

    Then you will consider that the US government itself is zionist occupied territory as well

    Instead of reading a raasssoul bible and living on a rock in the sea, Bajans should get up and see what’s going on, for themselves.

  25. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie January 5, 2018 at 11:43 AM #
    โ€œyes miller
    Israel has every Biblical right to the Palestiniansโ€™ land and Jerusalem should become the capital without the agreement of the Palestinians.โ€

    GP, as a medical doctor, we would like to get your view on why the ‘white’ people of Israel have one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world, second only after Australia?

    Shouldnโ€™t these modern Jews be more genetically immune to skin diseases and who claim that their have a biblical right to the lands occupied primarily by Palestinians prior to 1948 because Yahweh promised it to their ancient ancestors who were enslaved for 400 years in another non-European Land?

    Isnโ€™t this bogus claim to some ancient land equivalent to the white Australians claiming a hereditary right to Mparntwe (Alice Springs) because their forefathers spent time in British jails and were sent by their Christian god to that penal colony as reparations or compensation?


  26. Pachamama January 5, 2018 at 1:21 PM #
    We can and are doing a lot ELUCIDATE AND ILLUMINATE ON THIS SIR

    Your useless god (dog) has sent a madman to be your savior.

    NO !GOD SENT HIS SON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS OUR KINSMAN REDEEMER TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD AND TO BE OUR SAVIOR.

    IT IS WRITTEN IN ACTS 4:11-12
    This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    1 God is working his purpose out
    as year succeeds to year:
    God is working his purpose out,
    and the time is drawing near;
    nearer and nearer draws the time,
    the time that shall surely be,
    when the earth shall be filled with the glory of God
    as the waters cover the sea.

    2 From utmost east to utmost west,
    where’er the church has gone,
    by the mouth of many messengers
    the call of God has come:
    Give ear to me, you continents;
    you isles, give ear to me,
    that the earth may be filled with the glory of God
    as the waters cover the sea.

    3 March we forth in the strength of God,
    with the banner of Christ unfurled,
    that the light of the glorious gospel of truth
    may shine throughout the world:
    fight we the fight with sorrow and sin
    to set their captives free,
    that the earth may be filled with the glory of God
    as the waters cover the sea.

    4 All we can do is done in vain
    unless God blesses the deed;
    vainly we hope for the harvesttide
    till God gives life to the seed;
    yet nearer and nearer draws the time,
    the time that shall surely be,
    when the earth shall be filled with the glory of God
    as the waters cover the sea.


  27. RE GP, as a medical doctor, we would like to get your view on why the โ€˜whiteโ€™ people of Israel have one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world, second only after Australia?

    HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT SIR?
    IT IS WRITTEN ON BU THAT THE TAX PAYERS MONEY WAS WASTED ON ME! LOL

  28. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Grenville Phillips

    There are certain things that you leave alone, and then there are things that you must touch on. The issue of how Barbados voted is one of those things that even if you had an opinion, you should have left it alone. Unfortunately, I cannot support your position on this issue. You are not doing your campaign any good. Be careful.


  29. ON January 5, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Pachamama CORRECTLY OPINED THAT

    This American empire is on its last leg

    I PERCEIVE THAT IT WILL COLLAPSE COMPLETELY AFTER THE END OF THE TRUMP REGIME

    I BELIEVE THAT TRUMP MIRRORS KING JOSIAH JUST BEFORE THE CESSATION OF THE KINGDOM OF JUDAH PRIOR TO THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY

    THE USA IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE….AND IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE

    THE COUNTRIES MENTIONED ARE RUSSIA AND IRAN (GOG & MAGOG)
    WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE THESE COUNTRIES ARISE QUICKLY IN ASCENDENCY ACCORDING TO EZEKIEL’S PROPHECIES

  30. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ John January 5, 2018 at 1:44 PM
    โ€œYou should investigate and see why William Blake would think such a thing!!
    You might get a surpriseโ€

    For me to find out he was either a covert Quaker or a mad-ass devil worshipper?

  31. Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service Avatar
    Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    SSS…..let`s hope Grenville is just using BU to test the waters, because if he dares put that backward crap up on Facebook, he will be skinned alive by millions of people worldwide….he better keep quiet.

  32. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @GPII
    so you have the DLP on the ropes, with shiite flowing all over the place, and you decide to write this????
    The stuff on the south coast are FACTS, all Bajans can see, smell, and appreciate. Plus you are an engineer. Get out there, get ahead of the game for the next potential problem area, and offer SOLUTIONS to the voters. The DLP cannot twist these facts, the people know shit when they see and smell it.


  33. โ€œSo why are some claiming that the US bullies us when there is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim?โ€
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Recall Phillips IIโ€™s comment re: โ€œIn assessing claims of truth, we should evaluate evidence. What is the available evidence?โ€ His above statement is indicative of him demonstrating he has some difficulty โ€œevaluating the evidenceโ€ in an attempt to โ€œassessing claims of truth.โ€

    Actually, there IS evidence to SUPPORT a claim โ€œthat the US bullies us.โ€

    Iโ€™m sure Grenville Phillips II could recall how the USA previously used bullying tactics and threatened to with-hold military and other aid to those CARICOM countries whose heads refused to sign the โ€œSHIPRIDER AGREEMENT.โ€

    This agreement gave the US the right to pursue suspected drug traffickers into the territorial waters of CARICOM states.

    Iโ€™m sure he also remembers Owen Arthur refusing to sign the agreement in its initial form, thereby drawing the anger of Bill Clinton; US special envoy Richard Clarke; US Ambassador to Trinidad and Tobago, Brian Donnelly and even guest on NBC television network news programme called The McLaughlin Group, hosted by prominent news commentator John McLaughlin.

    โ€œBoth sides of the Barbados Parliament closed ranks with backbencher and former Attorney General Henry Forde in launching the strongest attack on the US State department charging that it was engaging its various propaganda departments to wage economic warfare against Barbadosโ€™ tourism industry.โ€ [Inter Press Service News Agency โ€“ March 28, 1997]

    I suggest Grenville Phillips II should do a bit more research on the USAโ€™s reaction to Owen Arthur and his position on the Agreement.

    However, let me state up front to those who have a problem with comprehension that I am not comparing the UN vote with the Shiprider Agreementโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ. I am aware they are two completely different issues.

    I am focusing on Grenville Phillips IIโ€™s comments re: โ€œthere is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claimโ€ the US bullies us.โ€


  34. @Pacha

    Over the years we have thrashed the issues of the ME from everywhichway, all can agree it is a complex issue:

  35. Talking Loud Saying Nothing Avatar
    Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    @ Grenville,
    Here is a timely documentary entitled:

    FACE TO FACE
    Malcolm X and Martin Luther King

    A portrait of two different voices whose demands for black equality gave rise to gains in American civil rights

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/face-to-face/2017/07/malcolm-martin-luther-king-170709072506322.html

  36. Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service Avatar
    Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    Grenville has to realize that in a world filled with smoke and mirrors, things are not always as they seem…the fantasy that is the bible has ALWAYS mislead black leaders and always will..

    i remember the big show Bush put on over the shipriders fraud act, he even refused to invite Arthur to the breakfast meet and only invited the house negro Caribbean prime ministers, but where are all those ministers now, especially the one Patrick John, who was prime minister of Dominica at that time and who believed that bowing and scraping to US made him special.

    smoke and mirrors, things are not always as they seem.


  37. David

    No, not if your god is a real estate agent. Giving somebody else’s land to a made-up people.

  38. Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service Avatar
    Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    the stuff on the south coast are FACTS, all Bajans can see, smell, and appreciate. Plus you are an engineer. Get out there, get ahead of the game for the next potential problem area, and offer SOLUTIONS to the voters. The DLP cannot twist these facts, the people know shit when they see and smell it.

    he blew that opportunity, by the time he gathers his thoughts, the parts to fix the sewage pipes will be cleared from the port, a new sewage plant will be ordered, election will be over.

    Grenville had a whole year of leaking shit to beat the government with, instead he was focused on the opposition, now he is focused on being completely out of his depth.

    cant make this up..lol

  39. Bernard Codrington Avatar
    Bernard Codrington

    @ Miller at 12:19 PM

    William Blake’s unofficial National Anthem of England is my favourite song of 2017. It demonstrates the utility of myths in nation building.

  40. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Bernard Codrington January 5, 2018 at 3:43 PM

    Quite!

    Just like the โ€œBattle Hymn of the Republicโ€ (“Mine Eyes Have Seen the Gloryโ€).

    Or even the Bajan National Anthem of talking about the โ€˜Lord being the peopleโ€™s guide for over 300 yearsโ€™ and โ€˜these fields and hills beyond recall are now our very ownโ€™.

    Privatization (fire sale of assets) to foreign entities has surely put paid to that boast with a need to revise that line to read:
    โ€˜Those CLICO fields and SOL storage tanks which were once our very own are now beyond recall (again).

    It sounds like black Bajans have a clear-cut case for a share of the Promised Land especially in Trinidad.

    Maybe the British will take pity on us and treat us like the Biblical prodigal son.


  41. Bernard Codrington January 5, 2018 at 3:43 PM #
    @ Miller at 12:19 PM
    William Blakeโ€™s unofficial National Anthem of England is my favourite song of 2017. It demonstrates the utility of myths in nation building.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    William Blake wrote a poem in the early 1800’s.

    No music existed.

    It was a protest against the effects the industrial revolution was having on the land.

    The “dark satanic mills” were the mills of the industrial revolution.

    The music was composed at the end of 1916, more than 100 years later, after Verdun and the Somme when England was flattened by her losses and morale at an all time low.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

    And did those feet in ancient time,
    Walk upon England’s[b] mountains green:
    And was the holy Lamb of God,
    On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

    Who is the Lamb of God?

    Was He in England?

  42. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ John January 5, 2018 at 5:30 PM

    You tell us John.
    You and GP are the expert on Jesus the Sun of God.

    It must have been the same lamb Yahweh sent to replace Isaac as a sacrifice to bring to an end an era of human sacrifice (burnt offering) as the gods of the previous age under the Bull required.

    Why canโ€™t you tell us what is contained in the following lines of the same poem?

    โ€œAnd did the Countenance Divine,
    Shine forth upon our clouded hills?โ€


  43. utility of myths in nation building
    hi..ho,,hi,,ho off to work we go lol
    running businesses on shit street is short sighted and does not encourage people that the rest of the country is being handled any better

  44. Bernard Codrington Avatar
    Bernard Codrington

    John at 5:30 PM

    All that you have said may be factual. But it is the recipient of the written words and the skill of the musical composer that conjure up a deeper meaning to words and music in the right psychological environment. There is power in words and music that the soul gives a deeper /higher meaning to.

    Mount Sinai is a mountain and mount Sion a little hill but the Jews gave them equal religious significance. Around Jesus’ time that was the bone of contention between the Jews and the Samaritans.
    When the BLP supporters sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic do you think it is about the USA. It will be about Mia and the victory at the polls in Barbados.

    Please give yourself some slack. Let your imagination roam a bit . It is through this process that great scientific discoveries have been made.


  45. here is a likkle Bible teaching for Miller and his ilk

    Israel in Prophecy
    It is widely believed among Evangelical Christians that the steady return of Jews to Palestine during this century, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, represent an amazing fulfillment of specific Old Testament promises made to the Israelites. Furthermore, this alleged fulfillment is viewed as the prelude to such final events as the Rapture, the Tribulation, the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Temple, the conversion of the Jews, the Return of Christ, and the establishment of the millennial Jewish kingdom ruled over by Christ from David’s throne in Jerusalem.
    Leon J. Wood aptly expresses this popular view in The Bible and Future Events: “The clearest sign of Christ’s return is the modern state of Israel . . . One should realize that God’s timetable could call for Israel to be in the land for many years before bringing the fruition of the age. But with the nation actually there, and with many factors concerning it fitting into conditions set forth in Scripture for the last days, . . . one may safely believe that Christ’s coming is not far in the future.”
    Hal Lindsey is even more specific by asserting that the political restoration of Israel in 1948 is not only “one of the most important events of our age,” but also “the most important prophetic sign to herald the era of Christ’s return.” He even boldly predicted in 1970 that “within forty years or so of 1948, all these things could take place.”
    A Remarkable Event
    To say the least, the return of many Jews to Palestine and the establishment of the State of Israel are most remarkable happenings. So it is not surprising that many Christians and Jews see in these events which have transpired in the Middle East the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies. But is this a legitimate interpretation of prophecies?
    It is quite possible to believe personally that the Jewish people have a moral or historical right to the land of Palestine and that God has providentially led in the establishment of the State of Israel, but can such a belief be legitimately grounded on Biblical prophecies? To answer this question, it is necessary briefly to examine at least some of the prophecies generally adduced in support of this belief.

    Old Testament Restoration Prophecies
    God’s Promises to Israelites
    There is, first, God’s promise to Abraham that his descendants would inherit “all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession” (Gen 17:8; cf. 12:7; 13:15; 15:18). In addition there are promises in some of the prophets that speak of a “second” return of the Israelites (Is 11:11) to their homeland “from all the nations” (Jer 29:14). Dispensationalists believe that this predicted return is supposed to be in unbelief (Ezek 36:24-26; cf. Jer 30). They find confirmation for such a belief in what is taking place today.
    The restoration promises are viewed as unconditional literal promises whose fulfillment began for the first time in 1948 with the dramatic recovery of part of Palestine by the Jews. Previous possessions and dispossessions of the land of Canaan by the Israelites supposedly do not fulfill God’s territorial promises for at least two reason. First, God promised not temporary but “everlasting possession” of the land (Gen 17:8). Second, the Israelites have never possessed in the past all the promised land “from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates”

    The above literalistic interpretation of God’s territorial promises ignores first of all their conditional nature. God’s promise of land to Abraham’s progeny was conditional on a continuing obedience to His covenant requirements: “God said to Abraham, ‘As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations” (Gen 17:9; cf. 18:19).
    The conditional nature of the promise of the land in the Abrahamic covenant is clearly recognized in the Scriptures. Moses, for example, after the Kadesh rebellion, reminded the new generation that disobedience prevented their parents from entering the land of promise: “Not one of these men of this evil generation shall see the good land which I swore to give to your fathers” (Deut 1:35; cf. Num 14:22-23).
    Anticipating the expulsion of the Israelites from the land on account of disobedience, Moses admonished the people to “return to the Lord,” who in turn would remember “the covenant with your fathers which he swore to them” (Deut 4:30-31; cf. Deut 30:2, 3; I Kings 8:47-50).
    The conditional nature of God’s promises is perhaps best stated in Jeremiah 18:9-10 where the Lord declares: “If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will repent of the good which I had intended to do it.”
    The principles established in this passage is that God’s predictions of weal or woe for a nation are conditional upon obedience or disobedience. Obviously it is only by God’s grace that believers can fulfill the conditions, but the fact remains that the conditions are there and no one has the right to take the “ifs” out of the Bible.


  46. BC

    I did the research years ago … no trouble what so ever to reproduce.

    Here’s what I loved when I did that research.

    Understand exactly what you are saying and realized the music was composed specifically to create the effect to which you refer at an extremely difficult time in history.

    The Suffragette movement was at the time asserting the right of women to vote.

    This anthem was chosen by the Womens Institute in 1918 as its anthem.

    Did you know it is also the School Song of St. Winifred’s School?

    St. Winifred’s came into being to give girls an equal shot at education at the time of the Suffragette movement.


  47. Tradition has it that Joseph of Arimethea built a church at Glastonbury in the first century.

    https://www.glastonburyabbey.com/joseph_of_arimathea.php


  48. John
    Are you aware that the BARMY ARMY sings that song every day at all the over seas test matches they attend?…though not as elegantly as above. They also sing their national anthem.


  49. We separate Zionists from Jews

    Most so-called Jews are not even religious.

    But the so-called Jews who are at the centre of Christian disinformation in their bible

    Are and were involved in the worst crimes mankind has known

    These could range from Transatlantic Slavery to war crimes, the financing of wars, sometimes both sides to the thief and sale of human organs to all types of gansterism, involvement in the murder of heads of states, genocide, running mafia type organizations and so on. Stealing other people’s history

    The lie that such a people could be chosen by a god could only be a fiction created by the human hand writing fictional accounts.

    Writers no more inspired that this your truly when motivated to use a bathroom.

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