Mainstream Media and the End of ‘Progressives’

Submitted by Pachamama
Donald Trump declared the winner of the US presidential election by the Electoral College

Donald Trump declared the winner of the US presidential election by the Electoral College

We will contend that what is generally referred to as a progressive socio-economic-political flank, located primarily on the ‘left’ or the ‘left of centre’, but less so on the ‘right’ or ‘right of centre’, has been dead for 50 years. The media fiction, on the left, has been keeping a dead political current alive as master narrative to mek money and mislead publics.

This subject is important because if progressives in North America and Europe are as useless as the evidence demonstrates, there can be no global convergence to protect small island states, like Barbados, from the most rabid Alt-Right forces which are preparing to descend on us all.

The Alt-Rightists will soon be controlling the IMF, the World Bank, the machinery for war, among other power levers. A country like Barbados could expect to surrender any perceived advantage (soft power) accumulated over time. Begging these criminals will not help. It would be encouragement to the enemy.

We will indict these so-called progressives for the emergence of a Donald Trump. The re-emergence of far-right parties in Europe. And the hollowing-out of any gains ordinary people have made in the past. Surely, Trump must signal a new era.

We will cast these ‘progressives’ as a bunch of spineless sycophants who allowed, in the case of the USA, a succession of ignorant, backward, Republican minded idiots, to take power. And do so from minority positions.

Our point of departure could be 1968, you choose. Since then we’ve had Nixon, Carter, Ford, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama and now Trump. So from the height to the nadir of ‘progressivism’, in this recent incarnation, we’ve had less real progressives elected to the highest office than during the period of the first half of the 20th century – FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, for example.

The American ‘progressive’ has acquiesced so much that it is no wonder the best policy to be contrived, recently, had to do with the institutionalization of an agenda against mother nature herself.

The mainly White, highly ‘educated’, progressives are all about form not function. They are cowards, lacking a scintilla of courage. All about an empty rhetoric, as a means to blur the lines between themselves and the Republicans. The progressive agenda has always been a White man’s trick.

The republicans or conservatives play no such games. They see politics as war by other means and are prepared to move heaven and earth to their will.

In the Obama presidency alone, the Republicans have given us government shutdowns; illegal wars; mass defunding of social programs, developed to help the poor; filibustered an Obama Supreme Court nominee for over 300 days; gerrymandered the country to make certain of perennial control of the House of Representatives and the Senate; consistently stole elections by the disenfranchisement of primarily Black and Latino voters.

Not even when confronted with irrefutable evidence progressives have no meaning responses. They possess the worst kind of cowardice.

In North Carolina, a Republican Pat McCrory, the incumbent, was ‘defeated’ by a Democrat, Roy Cooper, in the Governor’s race, 2016. But since November 8th and several recounts, McCrory has failed to concede despite a nearly unassailable 10,000 vote lead by Cooper.

What is more, the Republican State Legislature in NC, in anticipation of the defeat of the Republican Incumbent Governor, has acted to severely cut the constitutional powers of the incoming Governor. Powers the current Governor enjoyed.

In the UK. We are not convinced that the Labour Party of Jeremy Corbyn has laid out anything new. He too seems wedded to traditional progressive agendas. But the political environment has markedly changed and requires different responses from hollowed-out labour parties. Maybe the alt-Right of Farage and company will repeat, in the UK, the Trumpism progressives in the US have made flesh.

In Barbados, it may take a decade or more for us to see some official recognition of the death of progressive ‘ideals’ as historically constructed.

All this is happening and there is hardly a whimper from the supine progressives in the Democratic Party, in the USA, or even Barbados. Maybe they are used to being in a submissive position with the ruthless Republicans driving home an advantage no minority should have.

Moreover, the case of the defeat of Clinton is indeed emblematic of the perennial weakness of progressives. With over a billion dollars and an ability to raise much more; possessing a far superior case than Trump; currently having control of the Obama presidency; and with all of these advantages, the pooch-pickers called progressives could not defeat a demagogue, a narcissist, an apolitical madman like Donald Trump.

Progressives, in an age of Trump, cannot be expected to offer any determined, courageous, resistance to the Hitler of our times. Already, we are seeing that they intend to be as supportive of Trump as they were of Bush#2. Even if they had majorities on Capitol Hill, which they do not, they will be just as compliant.

Progressives will be more interested in notions of working with the devil, Trump, than defending their constituencies which are largely anti-Trump. They are sell-outs. It is the progressives who have people of colour voting for agendas for which there is no benefit to the voter. And Black people make no demands of the system. Not even on matters of life and death, like police shootings.

Presently, progressives on popular media are still licking their wounds from the Clinton defeat. When all the sobbing and gnashing of teeth is over, aided by their media bosses, people like Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O’Donnell, Chris Matthews, Joy Reid, Anderson Cooper and others on MSNBC, as well as those on CNN, will be brought to heel. It will be unsurprising when the Trump administration demands more favourable coverage, like any dictator has, in return for access, pretenses will have to come to an end. Without access these media houses might as well play dead.

This is how the game is played by ‘progressive’ media bosses, on the left, who are only committed to money, in the final analysis. The same media bosses who gave Trump, in kind, the equivalent of 2.5 billion dollars in free advertising/coverage because ratings were high and the spectacle of the pre-election season meant more to their top and bottom lines, a measure of success! In sum Trump has been, and is more so now, a creature of mainstream media. And the progressives will never apologize for imposing him on us. Their attitude was that Clinton would win, regardless. Now, let them consign themselves to being the anachronistic dead-beats they have long been.

The peoples of the world were, long time ago, sold out by the progressive agenda. It was, of late, essentially a response to Communism and gave yeoman service to right-wing forces thus creating the illusion of political pluralism, mass mobilization around social needs. Now that the Right has discovered that they can create populism, of the Right as well as the left, those alt-Right forces will soon deem left-wing populism and progressives themselves totally unnecessary.

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  • @ ac
    ….he as an american President has shown loyal support for Isreal as a country within the voting block of the United nations.

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  • The UN Resolution didn’t specify any specific penalties for Israel because it realized that any harsh repercussions would turn an abstention into a US veto. Israel knows that the US is still in its corner and they know that the Resolution doesn’t mean a hill of beans to the incoming President so t continues to thumb its nose at the UN or in Bajan parlance “skin its botsie” at the UN.

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  • Bush shit my comment goes against a narrative which states that Obama is anti Israel which is an untruth since more than any other president he has shown loyal support for Israel
    Americas absentee is also in line with many other american administrations proposals that Isreal expansion is illegal
    The only difference here is that this vote came to UN wherby other administrations did not have to cast or participate in such resolution

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  • @ Sargeant
    Skippa, why don’t you leave this kind of strategic analyses to commissioned officers nuh? This is not NCO stuff … it is way above the pay grade.

    Did you recall that Saddam skinned his pooch at UN resolutions too…?
    Gadaffi did not skin his pooch – he gave up his weapons …. with the same result.

    What the US has been able to do so far was to prevent the situation where the UN made a LAW against Israeli aggression. The many Jew-haters were thus hindered by the LEGALITY of harassing Israel….
    Now even the USA will be acting illegally in defending them…

    Netanyahu has dug a well …and he keeps on digging….
    … you know how the saying goes….

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  • What is this evidence Israel says it has that the Obama administration lobbyied UN members to vote the resolution. Why sit on the evidence if they have it?

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Sargeant December 27, 2016 at 1:10 PM
    “The UN Resolution didn’t specify any specific penalties for Israel because it realized that any harsh repercussions would turn an abstention into a US veto. Israel knows that the US is still in its corner and they know that the Resolution doesn’t mean a hill of beans to the incoming President so t continues to thumb its nose at the UN or in Bajan parlance “skin its botsie” at the UN.”

    Of course this anti-Israel ‘last-kick’ move by a crippled president is nothing but the final sentence in his political eulogy.

    As long as Saudi Arabia continues to buy arms from Jewish-owned and controlled armaments manufacturers and dealers to protect its most undemocratic and feudal system the poor people of Palestine would always be the outcast.

    The future major war in the ME is not one of Israel versus the world of Islam but one arising out of the internal conflicts of Islam itself.

    Israel is not the enemy of Iran but the friend of Saud.

    “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

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  • Obama is fighting to defend his legacy.

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  • Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia have one thing in common with Israel, they all fear the Iranians and just as Israel lobbied against the nuclear deal with Iran Saudi Arabia’s opposition was much more muted. The Saudi’s predicament lies in the fact that they are both Muslim countries but Iran is Shiite while Saudi Arabia is Sunni and the two branches don’t see eye to eye and that putting it mildly.

    Saudi Arabia and other Muslim States as well as Israel all look to the US for protection against possible Iranian aggression and that’s why Netanyahu lobbied Egypt to withdraw the Resolution. Trump has nominated an Ambassador to Israel who favours expansion of the Settlements and Trump has promised to tear up the Iranian Agreement which should further inflame tensions in the area.

    Never fear Russia backs Iran but Putin is Trump’s new friend fuh life so they will be able to settle differences over a bowl of borscht and some high-octane vodka.

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  • LOL @ Sargeant
    Bushie is hoping that you are right, …but betting that you are not…

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David at 1:37 PM re “What is this evidence Israel says it has that the Obama administration lobbyied UN members to vote the resolution. Why sit on the evidence if they have it?”

    Well if he is, then he is using a very perplexing method.

    He will now be remembered for carving out a different policy stance on Israel then every other President before him although essentially he hasn’t.

    So if that’s the legacy he was aiming for then he certainly went over the cliff with it!

    Words from a wiser man:

    George Mitchell; former US Senator, arbitrator of Brits-NI peace accord and mid-east envoy.

    “Every American president, since the beginning of settlements 50 years ago, from Johnson and Nixon, down through Bush and Obama, has opposed Israel’s policy on settlements.”

    ‘He went on to say that statements made in the television media that Obama failed to “protect Israel as other presidents have at the U.N. Security Council” are “completely false” and said there have been more than 75 resolutions critical of Israel over the past five decades that have been allowed to pass by every U.S. administration.’

    Mitchell also said however that: “I do think […] that President Obama would have been wise to veto this resolution, Not because of the policy implications but because of the timing and the circumstance that it leads to with respect to trying to get the parties together.” —–

    Obama was being forceful (some make say petty or vindictive) and we will see what the future says about his decision. The events after Jan 20 will flesh things out.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Ooopps. David, I captured the wrong quote above. It is the 2:02 PM post to which I was responding.

    Also can you resurrect another post from your trash bin! One only. Submitted twice and neither appeared.

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  • @David

    Any worry over Obama’s legacy is premature.

    I listened to Obama’s exit interview with David Axelrod and he invoked the MLK phrase “the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice” but I would borrow a phrase from my Christian brothers “God writes straight with crooked lines”. If Obama had won the Congressional seat when he ran for Congress in his earlier days we would not have had a President Obama, instead he was crushed by Bobby Rush and that fortunate event eventually led to the 2004 Democratic Convention, Election to the Senate and ultimately the Presidency.
    Trump is poised to undo everything that Obama did e.g. he appointed an EPA Administrator who was part of a suit against the very Dept. he is now tasked with running. According to Trump Global Warming is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I have a long view of history if Trump rolls back everything that Obama did with regards to the EPA, if he puts programs in place that accelerates the effects of Climate change, his Estate in Florida will go the way of Atlantis by that time we will be all gone but others in the US will be lamenting the loss of common sense and mourn the path taken by Obama’s successor.

    I take a sanguine view of these matters, tweets can only go so far sometime he will have to go before the US public and explain his policies, there is no Hillary to compare and contrast, people will begin to see the Emperor with no clothes behind the bombast.

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  • Sarge by any yardstick Obama is a failed experiment, you ask a lot of the people in the middle east if they were happier under the dictators and the answer may surprise you. Less interference by the US and more by China and Russia will leave them broke and america the powerhouse. The US has never had any experience as China and Russia in keeping diverse populations in line it is time to take a back seat and let the bad boys show how it is done.

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  • Obama made a promise to the american people that he would drawn down on any military engagements in that american soldiers are actively involved. he has stuck to that promise with success but when necesary actively involved in war zones with limited engagements.The american people said that they were sick and tired of americans fighting and dying on foreign soils and returning home crippled or in body bags.Obama listened and he responded.
    How quickly we forget.
    But Obama did not.
    The war in Syria is a civil war the one and only interest that has given concern to the Obama administration is driven on a humanatarian crisis a crisis that the Obama administration took the initiative to have policies which would impact the humanity of those in the war torn areas to seize and control a crisis that need all of humanity to participate calling on international countries to give refuge to those in the most need
    Obama use a philosophy of humanity that closed a vacum of death and destruction on innocent lives .However for some who only see bombs as a way towards peace may a lesson too hard to learn

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  • @Sargeant

    Obama is following the script of his predecessors in the second term -legacy building on the foreign affairs front. Why is he in Japan again?

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  • @David
    He is not in Japan, today’s appearance is from Pearl Harbor, Hawaii

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  • Thanks for the correction Sargeant, the substantive point stands?

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  • obama wants to be the next Dag Hammarskjold do you think he is going to go back to being a civil rights attorney

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  • This piece really speaks to people who spend too much time ingesting the diatribe of the american news media. It is being spewed out with little regard to thought or sophistry!!

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  • WellJohn Kerry gave it to The bully on the block Netanyahu who belives that the devil reincarnate Donald Trump would live up to the expectations of grandeur he promises that would aid Israel.

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  • Kerry on the impasse

    Meanwhile Netanyahu says he is done dealing with the present US Administration he will only deal with Trump, in that vein he said he has evidence that the USA colluded with other countries to bring the SC Resolution and he will only share it with Trump.

    Trump will probably put it the same area that he has placed the evidence that Obama was born in Kenya.

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  • “Kerry Rebukes Israel, Calling Settlements a Threat to Peace

    By DAVID E. SANGER

    December 28, 2016

    Secretary of State John Kerry argued that Israel could not survive as both a Jewish state and a democratic state unless it embraced a two-state plan.

    The New York Times ”

    Mr Kerry is so out of touch with reality- no wonder he allowed Iran to blackmail the US into arriving at a Iran deal and as Secretary of State of the nation whic dubs itself as leader of the free world must be held responsible by his inaction for the massacre of millions of Syrian refugees and the refugee crisis which followed in its wake by refusing to enforce the “red line” drawn by his other out of touch with reality boss. . There has been no peace between Israel and the Palestines since the establishment of Israel and the Oslo process has been dead and buried for more than a decade. More than 350,000 Israelis have settled in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1993.

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  • @ Sargeant
    Vote 14 – 0 against Israel
    No US veto …or even a token vote in support…
    “We did not take this decision lightly,” said Kerry…

    Surely you must be beginning to worry that Bushie’s analysis is sound… 🙂
    This is a watershed point in world history skippa….

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  • @ charles
    You may be the one who is “out of touch with reality”.

    The ‘REALITY’ is that the USA is no longer in any position to stand against the rest of the world on any issue – far less one as sensitive as Israel. This was only possible in times when they had the wherewithal to blackmail countries with financial ruin, military pressure, or crude CIA backed internal disruptions.
    Now, like Barbados, they owe too much to too many…

    Since Vietnam, even when acting with huge ‘coalitions’ the USA has continued to face defeat after defeat…. and they have now retreated to their current state of ‘homeland security’.
    Sorry for Israel, Japan, Barbados or any ‘outsiders’ whose faith and security rests there now…

    Kerry is just being pragmatic….but it is misguided nostalgia such as yours, that will lead some to make rash and hasty decisions … with apocalyptic consequences.

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  • there should have never been a state called Israeli in the first place . the wheels of injustice would continue to be reaped upon the children of isreal for generations to come because of illegal and unjustifiable property rights afforded to israel for which there is not god given right in order to be acclaimed
    Netayanhu spits in the face of america a country who have backed all and every illegal action Israel has done against the Palestinian people and Yesterday Netayanhua Declares to a world wide audience that America has betrayed the trust of Israel .
    Netayanhu has now found friendship with the re-incarnated serpent from the garden of Eden Donald Trump a man who has mastered the art of deception and a man who can present evil as being the backbone of good
    The world would now wait and see how DT put all the fallen pieces that remained from the burning fuselage of the downed UN vote and put them all together to form peace but from what little that he has said the task of DT ever doing so is monumental and most likely impossible
    Fasten your seat belts the world is in for a bumpy ride

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  • The reality is that history has revealed repeatedly the problems in the ME are complex. Some of us continue to regard the issue as Israel vs the Arab world and there must be ONE winner. The solution in the ME must be that ALL countries must find a way to CO-EXIST.

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  • “David December 27, 2016 at 1:37 PM #

    What is this evidence Israel says it has that the Obama administration lobbyied UN members to vote the resolution. Why sit on the evidence if they have it?”

    True but not surprised because its synonymous with the childishness associated with Netanyahu decision making.

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  • There is on sale here a UK edition of the Nation. It looks and reads like it has been put together by sixth formers.
    What is the use of the nonsense by one Toni-Ann Johnson, Yuh Gawh Be Kiddin’, It semi-literate waffle. Senior managers at the Nation obviously think she is the bees knees; in fact, it is nonsensical.
    What is the point of Richard Hoads’s Lowdown, apart from being journalistic foam?
    Do they carry out any surveys of their UK readers? Or do they just assume they know best – the Bajan syndrome?
    I have cancelled my weekly order.

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  • “Bush Tea December 29, 2016 at 5:17 AM #

    @ charles’
    You may be the one who is “out of touch with reality”

    Let’s wait and see Bushie

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  • I have just read a review of The Black Presidency, by Michael Eric Dyson, which is very positive. I shall get a copy next week.

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  • @ charles
    Let’s wait and see Bushie
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Deal muh brudduh!!

    …but don’t just sit and wait – like the five foolish virgins….
    Not that you would qualify anyhow….!!! 🙂
    ha ha ha

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  • @David December 29, 2016 at 7:28 AM “the problems in the ME are complex. Some of us continue to regard the issue as Israel vs the Arab world and there must be ONE winner. The solution in the ME must be that ALL countries must find a way to CO-EXIST.”

    I don’t know that the problems are so complex. I know that the people in the Middle East are a bunch of miserable, unforgiving bitches, who somehow drag the rest of the world into their misery and hard heartedness…and that we let them.

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  • What if they gave up our religious delusions and searched for a pragmatic AND just solution.

    But you know what we too hold those religions delusions…

    And so no solution.

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  • Obama kicking a.ss in his final weeks as President . Giving them all the finger.Hoping before he leaves he would blow Trump a big botsy kiss

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/KJxI307yc74

    Hahaha…Obama just handcuffed Trump the Conman, let’s see him try to roll back those sanctions against Russia.

    Lol..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/russian-hack-latest-diplomats-president-obama-white-house-donald-trump-presidential-election-a7501356.html

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  • “Well Well & Consequences December 30, 2016 at 2:06 AM #

    http://ow.ly/KJxI307yc74

    Hahaha…Obama just handcuffed Trump the Conman, let’s see him try to roll back those sanctions against Russia.”

    Actions taken out of spite more often than not turn out to be more harmful to the perpetrator- I hope this does not happen to Mr Obama by this decision which appears to be an attempt to railroad any steps by Mr trump to improve relations with Moscow which is vitally necessary to prevent the re-emergence of the ‘cold war’ which was a threat to world peace.

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  • Obama’s actions are the tantrums of a child.

    The Obama terrorist state has been exposed by the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and even Turks.

    He has been bested by lower tier nations.

    Why see these as anything but self-aggrandizement, legacy building, the selfishness of a buller.

    Sanctions will be easily wipe away or duly ignored.

    Why not do something, in your last days, like freeing the 70 or 80 political prisoners held for up to 5 decades in America’s dungeons.

    Trump cannot reverse that!

    Including our friend Leonard Peltier

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  • @ Pacha
    It is not Obama that you should be cussing, but the FBi and CIA. Surely you know that any and all US presidents are but a PR spokesman for these state terror groups.
    It is the US intelligence agencies that are setting the stage to control Trump once he comes into office….. with Russia, Israel and Syria.

    Everyone (including Obama and every president before him) knows that Peltier was framed by the FBI. Who do you think would dare to admit that fact …. or even the facts around the death of JFK…?

    Get real Pacha 🙂

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  • charles skeete December 30, 2016 at 3:49 AM #

    Cold war situation between Russia and America,can be very usefull for small island states close to the mainland of the USA as seen in the past.

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  • “Why not do something, in your last days, like freeing the 70 or 80 political prisoners held for up to 5 decades in America’s dungeons.”

    agreed and in Cuba’s and the Russian gulag as well.

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  • @Charles Skeete
    Actions taken out of spite more often than not turn out to be more harmful to the perpetrator- I hope this does not happen to Mr Obama by this decision which appears to be an attempt to railroad any steps by Mr trump to improve relations with Moscow which is vitally necessary to prevent the re-emergence of the ‘cold war’ which was a threat to world peace
    +++++++++++++++++

    Spite? Obama said he advised Putin to stop the nefarious activities the Russian State was carrying out in internal US politics, Putin himself just admitted that they were giving athletes performance enhancing drugs how long before he admits that Russia was carrying out cyber activities designed to help Trump? I realize that last bit is some pie in the sky wishing, KGB agents don’t believe in Glasnost.

    So now you are buying the Trump line about “moving on”? Trump is so vain and narcissistic that he can’t admit that Russia helped him win the Election so any information that cast doubt on his “massive” victory he rejects out of hand. Pity that he won’t believe his own spooks but he believed Obama was not born in the US on flimsy evidence of his own creation, how times have changed.

    St. Ronnie would be spinning in his grave at the thought of you Republican types giving the Russians a pass, there should be a word for Republicans who twist themselves into pretzels in trying to justify the Russians move but you’re right about Obama tying Trump’s hand, let Trump reverse the expulsion of the Russian spooks and see how it works out.

    Happy New year

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  • Can someone please clarify if there is agreement among the US Intelligence Services that Russia interfered in the US elections why US commentators are afraid to conclude Trump’s victory at the polls is to be questioned?

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Charles…the game is now far different to any cold war, Trump needs to be handcuffed or if you and your family live in the US, you will no longer enjoy anymore freedom with Trump owing Putin, the middle east, and several other nations.., forget cold war, this is a different stage, a different era, a different decade, with different intentions.

    Be glad Obama handcuffed Trump, in the coming year, you will be grateful.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Many of you should remember that Obama is very slow to anger but quite surgical when he reaches his limit, when Bush and Cheney were playing hopscotch with Bin Laden, because they knew why, he was surgically removed by Obama, he still has 3 weeks in office to shut down the Russian and Trump scam.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Please be reminded that I am always the first to beat up on the US tirelessly, cause it’s so much fun, but if you are sitting where I am and could see what I can, ya would push Obama to do even more to dismantle Trump.

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  • My question on the Russian interference in America’s election
    Why would Russian dispensed so much time and energy in its assigment of seeing DT elected and only go halfway in ensuring DT is elected
    To most logical minds their would be an asterisk which would remain in play placed over the election of DT with a notation stating” Russians Influence”

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  • @David yours@9.36am
    The reason that commentators don’t dwell on it exclusively is because it cannot be proven, while the negative stories from the Russians through Wikileaks (BTW yuh think the Repubs will drop any charges against Assange?) harmed Hillary whether they were the coup de grace will forever be in doubt.

    Historians will surely have their take as time goes on but Hillary didn’t help herself as a candidate she lost States that Obama won and even now Obama still has a high popularity rating. Donald was able to exploit some of the negative stories to his benefit e.g. he is a creature of Wall Street and Big Banks but he was able to rail against Hillary and Goldman Sachs but as Pres Elect he named a Goldman Sachs Exec as Treasury Sec. and another as Chair of National Economic Council.

    The bottom line is his core constituents believed in him and were more enthusiastic while hers were lukewarm at best and downright indifferent at worse so many didn’t even turn out to vote.

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  • Trump is either a “loose cannon” or an “evil genius”.

    America will be great again led by the most tremendous best ever most militaristic greatest president ever who will make the rest of the world leaders do his bidding.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Trump is taking the whole swamp into the whitehouse with him and therein lies the dangers to the people, each one of those swamp dwellers have personal agendas, but none of them are a quarter as intelligent as the leaders of the countries Trump now owes.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/KLwT307zmaS

    Repercussions. .

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David December 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM …you are like the lawyer who asks questions and already know much of what will be said. LOLL

    Can’t add much to Sargeant’s accurate assessment other then to add that Russians did not elect Trump. Americans listened to the threat analysis of the Russian involvement. They accepted Trump’s dismissals and elected him still.

    Trump’s America like the Russian leaders dislike gays, free speech and freedom of association. His America embraces the white ethnocentric views of the Russians people.

    So Putin is one of them….as far as Trump and surely his followers is concerned.

    What more can the pundits do.

    The best messed analysis on this came from Bolton today.

    In one breath he said that Obama had “politicized” the intelligence data by making public statements during the presidential campaign and now after it.

    YET…he amazingly also said: “We really need to get past the politics of this, because if even a piece of what is alleged about this Russian activity is true, it is utterly unacceptable. It is an attack on our constitutional system. It is not enough to say, and people should be very careful about this, to say, well, it didn’t actually have an impact on the election. You know, the fact that Russian efforts were incompetent or insufficient shouldn’t make us feel better”

    I believe that explains the difficulty facing pundits. Absolutely serious do-do and countries have gone to war over less interference.

    This man is a war hawk so he equated it to Pearl Harbor. He said that even if ‘bombs and torpedoes had missed” that Japan would still be liable because it’s the ” the effort that they made”.

    So he would smack Russia hard. Yet the man says Obama played politics for what he considers an act of war!

    The nice word is ‘conundrum’. In simple speak this is ‘effed up’.

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  • Theresa May criticized Kerry for his speech condemning Israel. I can see why Ms. May is viewed as a “lightweight” by the cognoscenti in British politics, she should have a large ‘L’ in front of her whenever she speaks on any topic.

    Did she know that Britain voted for the Resolution while the US abstained? Did she know that Kerry has an obligation to explain to the US public why the US abstained? Her view is that the USA shouldn’t speak so harshly to Israel, if she feels that way why didn’t she order her delegate to veto against the Resolution?

    When she phoned to congratulate Trump on winning the Election, Trump said if you come to the US give me a call. Even Trump extended an invitation to Farage instead of “if you are in the neighbourhood give me a call”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/29/theresa-may-john-kerry-comments-israel-palestine-un-resolution

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  • “when Bush and Cheney were playing hopscotch with Bin Laden, because they knew why, he was surgically removed by Obama”

    Yes for once he stood up like a man and made the call but the operation was on going long before Mr Obama became President. Do your research.

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  • “Well Well & Consequences December 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM #

    Charles…the game is now far different to any cold war, Trump needs to be handcuffed or if you and your family live in the US, you will no longer enjoy anymore freedom with Trump owing Putin, the middle east, and several other nations..,”

    Absolute nonsense

    “Be glad Obama handcuffed Trump, in the coming year, you will be grateful”

    Tell that to the Syrian refugees against whom Mr Obama claimed the Syrian president was using chemical weapons and whose days were numbered if he broached the ‘red line’

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    So says you Charles, but Russia has moved on and unlike you, is not living in the 60s anymore, their motives are quite different now, unfortunately it looks like it will take you a couple more years to recognize it and catch up.

    Have you npticed that Putin is not doing a tit for tat, which would be SOP under the cold war, because he cannot afford to, Trump is his bitch and since Obama handcuffed him it threw their plans out the window so Putin now has to tread lightly and tip toe carefully around FBI and CIA…those agencies are not toothless tigers and Putin is well aware that Trump is the idiot now cussing those 2 deadly security agencies and not believing anything they say…lol….the motives here are much more complex than you think, this is no cold war.

    Obama is no slouch, he is no bajan government minister, he knew he was being set up by the repugnant republicans re the Syrian chemical attacks, they wanted him to invade, he kicked the decision back to them and they refused to approve it, he made the right call, maybe you want to do some research into who is selling the chemical weapons to Syria…ya will not be shocked.

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    “Yes for once he stood up like a man and made the call but the operation was on going long before Mr Obama became President.”

    No, you do your research…Bin Laden had to be surgically removed because he was being used from Day 1, but the republicans did not want him dead, he was much more useful alive where they could blame him for everything they did and kept hunting him for years….and would have also been used against Obama by all his haters, remove the red herring and there was very little else to use and they had to move on.,, that was the only use for Bin Laden…, Charles ya really too gullible.

    “Her view is that the USA shouldn’t speak so harshly to Israel, if she feels that way why didn’t she order her delegate to veto against the Resolution?”

    They dont want the jews back in the UK for anything, May is just massaging the jews so they dont get any ideas to return, UK would sell or give Israel any amount of weapons to stay in the middle east.

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/putin-trump-obama-russia-us-new-cold-war-two-diplomacy-editorial-a7502631.html

    It’s very important you know how to read between the lines.

    I posted before seeing this article.

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  • “Charles ya really too gullible”

    You sure me or you.

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  • Well Well refresh my memory since you are up to date on your research. Who is the American President who told the Russian Prime Minister while clutching his hand that this is my last election and after this election I will have more flexibility to which the Russian Prime Minister replied ” I will transmit that information to Vladimir”

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  • Well well who was the first president of the USA that spoke of weapons of mass destruction.

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    Charles…are you still buying into what US presidents say, they been lying to the people since George Washington..lol, that is being gullible, I judge them by what they do, all talk about WMD were outright lies to achieve a completely different agenda, as ya can see, it fell apart and the whole shit blew back in their faces, now there is a completely new agenda…blink and ya will miss it…lol.

    Yall need to get out of the 50s and 60s…it’s the 21st century, there is a new game in town with newer and more deceitful players, ya cant keep up unless ya get updated.

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    http://madamenoire.com/745029/obamas-monkeys-racism/?ref=yfp

    A wonderful article, well worth the read.

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    Lol, lol hahaha, lol

    TIMOTHY A. CLARY/GETTY
    NOT NORMAL
    A-List’s Trump Snub Hits Him Where It Hurts
    JOY-ANN REID
    01.01.17 1:01 AM ET

    Trump, who has spent a lifetime cultivating celebrity status — and not cultivating traditionalists; far from it, in fact — owes his election in large part to the sense of familiarity that being a reality TV star afforded him. That status allowed many of his voters to put aside his misogyny and vulgarity, and to ignore information about his business failings, chicanery and Putinism, because they think that having watched him on “The Apprentice” and at his rallies, they know who he really is.
    Now, a man who clearly craves the adulation of the famous; the Queens rich kid who desperately desired the respect of the Manhattan and Palm Beach elite, is being denied it, publicly and in humiliating fashion. The mad scramble by his team to secure famous players for his inaugural festivities coupled with his ad-hoc photo ops with a fading Jim Brown, a bizarre, unmedicated Kanye West and huckster-cum-murderer Don King makes Trump’s existential yearning clear. He can try to deflect with pathetic tweets about really wanting to be surrounded by “the people” on his big day, but the truth is transparent: the germaphobic pouter who lives in an all-gold penthouse built from cheap materials by undocumented Polish migrants wouldn’t wipe his nose on his core supporters. Just look at his billionaire cabinet for a clue.

    And yet his vicious campaign, which opened with racism and closed with a bizarre anti-Semitic screed, and which dined out on vows to discriminate against Mexicans and Muslims while unleashing a resurgence of racist hate groups and just plain haters is reaping the cultural opprobrium it sowed. And it’s making The Donald miserable.

    Even the proto-Nazis unleashed by Trump’s campaign, some of whom are organizing an inaugural event pitifully dubbed the “Deploraball,” seem to crave pop culture normalization, based on their apparent desire to have Kanye as a special guest performer. One wonders how awkward it would be for the rapper to be on stage when the “Sieg Heiling” begins.

    So far, the reaction of the creative community, from Broadway to Los Angeles and from hip-hop to Radio City Music Hall, has been to say a resounding “no” to Trump. It’s not a dismissal born purely of partisanship, but rather a rejection of the entire underlying ethos of his divisive, revanchist campaign. Maintaining a unified front against authoritarianism, xenophobia, Islamophobia and misogyny is no laughing matter, no matter how much Trump’s apologists try to snide it off on cable TV.

    Ultimately, denying Trump and Trumpism the cultural cosign they crave is an important statement. It does what so far, the collective media have been unable or unwilling to do: rejecting the normalization of the utterly abnormal. It tells not just the country, but the world, that Trumpism may have a hold on our politics, but it doesn’t have a hold on us. America’s ascendant majority will not so easily slink off into that good night, and will not quietly ingest what Trump has foisted on the electorate.

    He and his bilious, Russophile Twitter and comment-section trolls, his apologist surrogates and his zombified, partisan enablers on Capitol Hill will have to do their dirty work — including the horrors of disappointment and lost healthcare and social safety net programs soon to be visited on Trump’s own working class supporters — without the shield of popular cultural will.”

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  • Pat Condell, and you. Interesting. You both must view American Progressives like you do your conservative party. When those from the United Kingdom talk about Progressives over here, they keep missing the mark and speaking as if they are right-wing or something thereof. Progressives here, thus far, do not do most of what was written; if any of it at all. Watch The Young Turks, Secular Talk, Tom Hartmann, and even me on YouTube. We won’t agree on everything another Progressive has to say, however, we all are for, forward thinking. Progressives didn’t help Trump, or anything. A few at best, voted for him and yet, it was because they had little known choice. Stick with the U.K. for now. Watch Progressive channels in the USA for a few months and THEN construct a post so you don’t unwittingly lie so much. That, is constructive criticism. I hope you take it.

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