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ssaSo, the Democratic Labour Party— the political party that solemnly promised the Barbadian people that a vote for them in the 2013 General Elections was a vote for the preservation of all Public Sector jobs and a vote against privatization of State entities— has now made a decisive move to begin the process of privatising the critical garbage collection services performed by the Sanitation Service Authority (SSA)! This is a shameful act of political betrayal, that is all the more offensive in that it was carried out in secrecy, without the Barbadian people, the SSA workers, or the trade unions being consulted in any way !

To make matters worse, we have learnt from the information divulged in the front page article published in the Nation Newspaper of Tuesday 11th October 2016 that this new private sector based garbage collection arrangement is going to constitute a massive and unjustified drain on our nation’s public finances.

The Newspaper article revealed that the private business-men will be paid $411 per hour per truck, and that each truck will be in operation for 8 hours per day and 5 days per week! Thus, each truck will cost the taxpayers of Barbados $16,440 per week or $854,880 per year !

This YEARLY payment of $854,880 PERย  TRUCK needs to be juxtaposed against the cost of Government actually purchasing one such refuse collection truck outright— the cost of approximately $250,000 !

Why should this Democratic Labour Party administration be saddling us— the citizens and taxpayers of Barbados– with payments to private business-men of $854,880 PERย  TRUCKย  PERย  YEAR or Eight and a half Million dollars for EACHย  TRUCKย  over a 10 year period, when they could have purchased the said truck for the SSA at a mere one time cost of some $250,000 ?

There is also the issue of the tremendous disparity between the wages that will be paid to the working class Barbadian men and women who will serve as garbage collectors on these private trucks and the fees that the SSA will be paying to the private business-men.

According to the Newspaper article the workers will be paid a mere $500 per WEEK, presumably for a 40 hour work week,ย  while the business-men will be paid $411 per HOUR for a similar 40 hour work week ! Thus, the worker will work for 40 hours– carrying out the most physically taxing, dangerous and distasteful duties– to earn just slightly more than what the business-man will earn in one (1) HOUR for the use of his truck !

Truly this is a scandal of massive proportions and should lead to strident and decisive Calls for the removal of the present DLP Administration from office!


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205 responses to “The PRIVATIZATION OF Sanitation Services is a SCANDAL of MASSIVE Proportions”

  1. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Caswell and Bushie (Mr Chairman) you guys may have validated your argument that Artax was following a process which was not MANDATED but clearly the man knew what he was doing. He was doing what his chairman instructed and clearly based on his qualifications and technical skill doing it damn well.

    But both of you also validate the point by Skeete and Miller that a lot of shiiite goes on in the Statutory corps. This was Caswell’s original argument about the unused funds being transferred/lost in next year etc/more easily misused by ministers

    Unfortunately the moot was lost and the argumentation got personnel…as is BU’s wont.

    But back to you Mr Chairman, so BU is your confessional…you seek forgiveness here with your powerful screeds for all the conniption you help facilitate as part of the ‘fatted calf brigade’. LOL.

    That was obvious to me from your strong assessments of the issues that you were a kingpin at some point but glad to hear it on open-mic though. LOLLL. Well better late than never, good sir!

  2. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    The Bushman…are you going to defend your name and good character from these accusations or what.

  3. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax, for a guy who has such strong analytical skills you devolve to personal assaults much too easily. I know you don’t like US-centric stuff but as Mrs. Obama was quoted as saying, try going high when you perceive that others have gone low.

    Geezus guy. You lost the argument. There was no mandate to operate under the gov’t ministries’ accounting rules. That was the basic point and that has been carried.

    After all the fundamental question for one so learned as you should be : why adopt the concept of statutory corps if the restrictive gov’t accounting principles were the controlling mandates.

    Come on surely we can cut to the bone and move beyond all the chest thumping of who is right!

  4. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    oooopps, that should read “got personal”…


  5. @Dee Word

    BU forum is not school, we easily understood the context and this is what communication is all about.

    Many of us are posting from handheld devices, Predictive text and the like. Carry on!

  6. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Artax October 13, 2016 at 9:07 AM

    No, Artax! You are the one out of your depth.

    As the then assistant to the Accountant you were indeed out of your depth.
    I don’t recall you ever being in my โ€œIntroduction to Accountingโ€ class.

    I am prepared to renounce the sharp criticisms of the MoF and to side with you if you can identify the provisions in the Financial Administration & Audit Act or its subsequent replacement where the Auditor General has the power to instruct the Chief Accounting Officer of any statutory body to return money to the Consolidated Fund.

    Doesnโ€™t that power lie with the Ministry of Finance acting through the Director of Finance and the Accountant General (one of the other AGโ€™s)?

    PART V โ€“ AUDIT
    26. (1) The Auditor-General is the auditor of the financial statements of the Government of Barbados.
    (2) The Auditor-General shall also
    (a) be responsible for the audit and inspection of all public accounts whether such accounts are of general revenue paid into, and expenditure met from the Consolidated Fund, special funds or departmental accounts and statutory bodies which receive all or part of their funds from the Consolidated Fund;
    (b) apply to the public accounts such an examination as will enable him to ascertain that in his opinion the accounts are kept on a proper system, that they are punctually and properly posted and that checks against irregularities and fraud are adequate and effective; (c) satisfy himself that all standing instructions, enactments and other laws of Barbados relating to finance and accounts are strictly observed; and (d) examine and report in accordance with the outcome of his examination the several statements and accounts which are required to be submitted to him under this Act.

    (3) The Auditor-General may carry out examinations into the economical, efficient and effective use of resources of any Ministry or Department or any other entity required to be audited by him.

    (4) Subsection (3) shall not be construed as entitling the Auditor-General to review the merits of the policy objectives of Government in respect of any Ministry, Department or statutory body.

    Functions of Director, Accountant General and Minister:

    (1) The Director may issue instructions (a) respecting the preparation of estimates; (b) respecting the collection, management and administration of, and the accounting for, public moneys; (c) respecting the purchase, receipt, custody, issue, sale, transfer or delivery of any stamps, securities, stores or other property of the Crown; (d) respecting the keeping of records of the Crown; (e) for any other purpose necessary for the efficient administration of the financial business of the Crown;

    (2) The Director and the Accountant-General are entitled to inspect such offices and to have access to such official books, documents and other records as may be necessary for the performance of their functions under this Act.

    (3) The Minister may from time to time determine at what banks officers shall keep the public moneys entrusted to them, and the Director may determine what accounts, so opened in the names of officers or of their offices in the books of any bank, shall be deemed to be public accounts.


  7. @ Artax & Dribbler
    It is a waste of time attacking Bushie’s character. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Bushie was never any damn good anyhow…. so that is like throwing water in the sea.
    The issue is that Bushie was adopted…. THAT changes every shiite….

    People with reputations for action often get themselves ‘selected’ because the powers-that-be assume that these skills will be placed at their disposal. When they butt up on people like Caswell and Bushie, who are driven by PRINCIPLE, then they quickly come to a christian understanding – and fire Caswell’s tail …ha ha ha…
    …Unfortunately, Bushie don’t ‘fire’ too easily ….on account of the big-ass whacker he had.

    @ Artax
    Never assume that because YOU did the right thing, everyone else is doing likewise. The reverse is far more likely to be the case…


  8. Barbados Underground is a forum where certain contributors are held up to high esteem, protected by the blog master, defended by members of their fan club and their contributors are held as gospel.

    I realized that Caswell Franklyn, Jeff Cumberbatch, Adrian Loveridge, Bust Tea, Hants, Sargeant and certain other members of the BU consortium can never be wrong. It is always those who do not find favour of this elite group that are admonished.

    Since these individuals have much more to offer than us lesser mortals, perhaps we should leave the forum specifically for the chosen few.

    As I mentioned in a previous post, the pendantic Dribbler always seem to be attacking my level of education. Why donโ€™t you just scroll pass my contributions and move on?

    I am beginning to understand Georgie Porgieโ€™s behavior.


  9. @ Miller
    Perhaps you should instruct you”absent student” Artax that it could only be possible to”return monies to the consolidated fund” if and when FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS WERE COMPLETED in order to indicate what funds were due to be returned.

    See if he appreciates that perhaps the ‘powers-that-be’ may not be keen to have such accounts completed …PRECISELY so that no one knows what is due to be returned, repaid, or even accounted for…

    See if Artax will confirm that in organisations THOUSANDS of time larger and more complex than any shiite we have here, such accounts are done almost in real time… by accountants with identical training to his….

    See if he will therefore agree that it is ONLY because the ‘powers-that-be’ REQUIRE it, that accounting is a perennial problem in Barbados…. and of course, because the chairmen are axe-grinders for these ‘powers-that-be’…

    BTW….Wherever attached, Bushie’s accounts were (and continue to be) ALWAYS on time and 100% transparent…. as a matter of principle.


  10. All I have been asking is if transferring funds from a previous financial year to the Consolidated Fund is indicative of an individual not knowing what he is doing, and my competency and level of education has been attacked.

    And up comes the other โ€œholier than thouโ€ jackass to spew his usual pejorative, condescending remarks. Dribbler, have you not realized I do not like you?

  11. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol…Dribbler likes to think he is kicking you when ya down…it takes me for him…lol


  12. @ Caswell

    Please let me apologise for Artax’s behavior for being so disrespectful and demeaning.

    Both of you I have a lot of respect for after reading submissions over the last several years on this blog.

    Irregardless as black professionals whether we win an argument on substantive points we should never seek to belittle the other person when we feel personally offended.

    Even if the party is right it becomes wrong and makes the insulting party the loser.

    I have a Masters from University, have hired hundreds of people in my lifetime locally, regionally and internationally and know what real money is about.

    However we are each brother’s keeper.

    The infighting and demeaning behaviour of blacks to each other continues to allow the Asian and white races to dominate.

    So as older more experienced black professionals we should lead by example.

    Better to lose an argument than seek to destroy someone in the eyes of others to make us feel as King or Queen of the Hill and that we are more superior than another professional black man or woman.

  13. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax, that’s ok if you understand the Dr. GP. This is now the second time recently that I have honestly complimented you on the education- which btw I am only aware of because YOU detailed it very precisely here on BU – and it’s the second time that you have looked past the substantive nature of my remarks and interpreted my comments as an attack on your personality.

    My brother let’s see if we can focus on the facts.

    I know only one person on this blog and that’s the gent Mr David Weekes. All others who post by name I know of them rather than really ever had discussions with any of them.

    Fellas like yourself I know nothing of and I engage here based on your views. I do NOT harbor any personal animus or disdain because of said views, brother. Often I may disagree today and tomorrow be in total agreement.

    Have done that with the Doc and Pacha. They recall and focus only on the today…never the tomorrow.

    Folks like Bush Tea, Sargeant and Pieces who cussed me here one day most indecorously focus on the tomorrow and we move on.

    I also understand the Doc as clearly millions in the US are finally understanding Trump. Just as thousands of Bajans understood E W Barrow and JMGM Adams. They are all the A’type personalities who do/did not take disagreement well…they tend to want to crush those who disagree wid dem.

    Unfortunately I did not realize you were that aggressive also!

    Still love to read your stuff and still respect your education and skill. And will still disagree with you too from time to time Now if this was not a blog I may have had to back off to save my career or something but we just talking, so….Deal wid it.


  14. @Well Well & Consequences October 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM “The Bushmanโ€ฆare you going to defend your name and good character>”

    What [good] name?

    What [good] character?

    Bushie, the has-been politician, has spent his whole life being a part of the problem.

    Now he is spending his old age lobbying for a seat in the kingdom of heaven.

  15. Caswell Franklyn Avatar

    R J

    There is no need to apologise for Artax’s behaviour toward me. I take no offence. I do not present myself on BU with a thin skin. I expect abuse.

    Sent from my iPad


  16. Boys, boys, boys, [Bush Tea, Pedantic Dribbler, Caswell] why don’t wunna behave wunna selves.

  17. Anonymouse - TheGAazer Avatar
    Anonymouse – TheGAazer

    Hey Artax,
    I hope we donโ€™t lose your contribution because Caswell is a stronger nut to crack than ‘the ac’.

    The truth is the discussion went over my head and it seems as if you were both stuck on a small point.

    It was amusing to see โ€˜the acโ€™ taking a few pokes when you were busy with Caswell. All โ€˜the acโ€™ knows is โ€œthe enemy of my enemy is my best friendโ€

    I know I didnโ€™t add anything, but I leave some topics to professionals in that areaโ€ฆ

    Keep on contributing…..


  18. “Clearly, the Minister is saying that the majority of the State-owned enterprises (SOEโ€™s) are neither following the Financial Administration Act nor the International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS).”

    Just empty and meaningless rhetoric similar to Mr Inniss’s to attract theattention of the gullible. Ministers select and appoint Boards and the Chairmen. The ball is in their court to fix the perceived wrongs.


  19. When intellectual brains collide all hell breaks loose.
    Could it possibly be that both brainaics are correct since it all boils down to a matter of interpretation under score or directed by the words Not Strictly Bound
    All in all ac enjoyed the back and forth but could not help but think if these two guys were managers or co owners of the same business which one would be the first to get killl.
    I gone bosey before the BU herd stomp all over my puny brain.
    Ac too small to fail


  20. “Bush Tea October 13, 2016 at 10:19 AM # @ Miller
    Perhaps you should instruct youโ€absent studentโ€ Artax that it could only be possible toโ€return monies to the consolidated fundโ€ if and when FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS WERE COMPLETED in order to indicate what funds were due to be returned”

    To the best of my knowedge, remains if any of Grants to Statutory corporations are not returned to the consolidatedfund whether FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS are completed or not.
    With respect to the various Ministries; Ministries do not hold funds but funds are committed through the estimates of expenditure to cover the budgetary expectation of the Ministry during the period under review and are released from the treasury/ consolidated fund on request to cover expenditure based on submissions from the accounting personnel in the Ministry and generally on a quarterly basis. There is the possibilty that all the funds committed might not have been utilised by the end of the financial year but since the Ministry do not actually hold funds there is nothing to return to the consolidated fund other than the unused committed funds through a book entry. In times past, a system called ‘virement’ was employed which allowed unused committments to be rolled over/utilised in the following financial year.

  21. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Art…dont mind the ACs…they just like Dribbler, that’s why I stomp all over their asses when they present with their puny minded nonsense.


  22. “Artax October 13, 2016 at 8:07 AM # @ Charles Skeete

    Could you please explain to me how accounting personnel be deemed as crooked, incompetent or not knowing the hell they are doing, if they were instructed by management and Auditors to transfer funds from a previous financial year to the Consolidated Fund?”

    Artax- in the course of myduties i have come across such accounting personnel but rather than publicise my observations i often took the humane approach in the form of counsel. i would further like to add that in my line of training with respect to Government accounting auditors were never trained to instruct accounting personnel to transfer funds from a previous financial year to the consolidated fund. Any Government Auditor so instructing would be acting ultra vires.

  23. Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka ‘Nation of Laws’ my ass.

    Well this thread went to shit quickly.

    Does anyone have the annual running costs for SSA so we can divide by the number of trucks currently working and their hours of work to determine the real hourly costs of SSA collection compared to the $411/hour less VAT being paid private collectors?

    Commissiong’s numbers are obviously the type of economic fantasy I’d expect from a politician.


  24. charles skeete October 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM #

    Could you clarify the story that has been making the rounds for decades……that in the late ’70’s 20 odd million were taken from the BWA and placed in the consolidated fund…..


  25. Here is a link to the Auditor General 2015 report where liberal mention is made to the SSA and its financial dealings with suppliers/partners.

    http://www.bao.gov.bb/themes/marinelli/files/Auditor%20General's%20Report%202015.pdf

  26. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax oh dear I now understand your post that “the pendantic Dribbler always seem to be attacking my level of education”. I was truly kerfuffled about that as I wondered where on this blog I questioned your education. And then adai I spotted : “…After all the fundamental question for one so learned as you should be…”

    Ok sir I get the confusion and I am guilty of bad writing or poor grammar; one of them, anyhow.

    I heard again today the maxim about perfecting stuff…the oft quoted one from Gladwell about needing 10,000 hours to perfect a craft. So writing on this blog goes towards that. Painfully my sentence above shows that I need those 9,999 hours. Fah sure, LOLL.

    The sentence should have read “After all the fundamental question for one AS learned as you should be…” The word ‘so’ did give it a pejorative connotation when NONE was intended.

    Anyhow not sure when I first pissed you off but, C’est la vie!


  27. I was shocked to read that most of the workers employed by JADA on the Sandals project are non-Barbadians. Can anyone explain what is going on?


  28. Barbados Water Authority New Headquarters
    Introduction
    5.40 The BWA signed an Agreement with a company (Landlord) in March 2013 for the design, finance and construction of its headquarters complex. The Agreement also included the lease of the premises to the BWA. The period of the lease is thirteen (13) years.

    Exclusive Rights Granted Before Substantial Negotiations Carried Out
    5.41 BWA signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), dated 22nd December 2011, which gave the contractor exclusive rights for the Project. This was eight (8) days after it had commenced negotiations on the bid, and approximately fifteen (15) months before the Agreement was signed. The MOU also made provision for the contractor to commence certain works as soon as was practically possible after the execution of the MOU. The BWA in essence was binding itself to an arrangement with the sole bidder before substantial negotiations were completed.

    Commencement of Works
    5.42 The commencement of works before the conclusion of negotiations placed the BWA at a disadvantage in relation to its decision making. An example of this was observed subsequently, when the BWA received an opinion from its legal representative on the implications of not proceeding with the completion of the building. The opinion indicated that BWA would have
    CHAPTER 5
    110 Auditor Generalโ€™s Report 2015

    been liable to the contractor, the arranger of finance and all other consultants in damages in the event that it failed to complete the project.

    Audit Comment
    5.43 The opinion of the legal representative highlights the dangers with commencing a project before negotiations have concluded. Without the ability to stop the project, BWAโ€™s negotiation strength would have been diminished.

    Advance Payment and its Recovery
    5.44 It was originally envisaged that the BWA would only commence payments for this Project on completion of the building; this is generally what occurs in a PPP. This was reinforced in the Board Paper seeking the selection of the contractor, which stated that BWA would be making no capital payments during the construction period. However, the MOU made provision for the payment of an initial mobilisation fee (Advance Payment) of BDS $5 million, plus VAT, to the contractor. The MOU did not state how this advance was to be repaid. It should be noted that in this type of PPP, which involves the construction of a building to be leased to the Government agency, the developer would be responsible for providing the financing, and lease payments would start at the completion of the facility.

    5.45 BWA subsequently agreed on a process for the repayment of the Advance Payment by the contractor. The process included a repayment deadline which was stated as โ€œprior to the expiration or termination of the Lease Plus Agreementโ€. It also included the interest rate to be charged, which was 2.5%, and a provision for the non-repayment of the Advance if BWA was in default of its obligations as tenant, under the Lease Plus Agreement.
    CHAPTER 5
    111 Auditor Generalโ€™s Report 2015

    5.46 This arrangement was disadvantageous to the BWA on two (2) points:

    (i) It allowed the contractor the option of completing the repayment of BDS $5 million plus VAT in approximately fifteen (15) years, whereas the BWA is scheduled to make lease payments to the Preferred Bidder/Landlord totalling more than $65 million in approximately thirteen (13) years. This was approximately two (2) years less than the time allotted to the contractor to repay the Advance Payment.

    (ii) The other point is that the interest rate of 2.5 % was low when compared to the interest rate of 8.25% payable on the bonds used to secure financing for the project. In effect, BWA in its lease payments would be paying an interest rate of at least 8.25%, while providing a loan to the contractor at 2.5%.

    5.47 Subsequently, BWA signed another document called the โ€œDeed of Mutual Releaseโ€ which was also signed on behalf of the contractor and the (Landlord) company formed to manage the project and the works. This document released the three signatories from all obligations to each other, prior to the Agreement coming into effect, except for an outstanding amount owed by BWA to the two companies. The โ€œDeed of Mutual Releaseโ€ also indicated that the contractor incurred unforeseen additional costs of $6,111,194 which, as agreed, would be applied against the remaining Advance Payment. Overall, the document shows that a sum of $24,435 remained outstanding by the BWA to the Landlord immediately prior to Financial Close.
    CHAPTER 5
    112 Auditor Generalโ€™s Report 2015


  29. If the privatization of the BWA is a scandal what is the above revelations in the Auditor General’s report construe?

  30. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    The slaves in parliament do not have negotiating skills that could benefit the people, the taxpayers, the voters for whom they work..

    ……I been saying that on here over and over, the slaves in parliament are too mentally weak to be negotiating contracts of any kind on behalf of the population as a collective…

    …….it never bodes well for the majority population, the outcome is never to their benefit…every contract for decades negotiated by both governments has had the same outcome…the taxpayers always lose.


  31. Artax

    I think you’re a very intelligence fella so don’t let the likes of Bush Tea undermine your confidence Sir.

  32. Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka ‘Nation of Laws’ my ass.

    Sanitation Service Authority
    4.23 The audit of the financial statements of the Sanitation Service Authority
    for the financial year ended March 31, 2009 was commenced. However,
    requested revised financial statements have not been submitted to
    facilitate completion. In 2015 the audit of the financial statements for 2010
    was contracted out to a private sector firm, which is awaiting the
    presentation of working papers to facilitate sign-off. The Board has
    submitted draft financial statements for the years ended March 2011 to
    2013, and these will be audited in 2016. The financial statements for the
    years ended March 31, 2014 and 2015 have not yet been submitted for
    audit.

    So as I said before, no-one in the SSA, Ministry of Health, Ministry of Finance or Commisiong’s small circle of supporters has a clue what is costs SSA to collect garbage in this country. Therefore, no comparison can be made to the commercial costs of private collectors.

    This is because SSA exists, with the possible exception of the man actually working on the trucks busting their ass every day, only to employ gov’t lackies and pimps, like every other statutory corporation.

    Happy 50th birthday Bim.

  33. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    And that is Barbados’ continuing downfall…

    ………50 years of political independence and the leaders learned nothing outside of collecting pimps, lackeys and yardfowls, bribes and corruption. ..

    …….creators of their own downfall.

  34. Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka ‘Nation of Laws’ my ass.

    Well Well & Consequences October 14, 2016 at 7:02 AM #
    And that is Barbadosโ€™ continuing downfallโ€ฆ

    โ€ฆโ€ฆ.creators of their own downfall.

    Unfortunately they’ve taken the rest of us taxpayers with them.


  35. “Vincent Haynes October 13, 2016 at 2:36 PM #

    charles skeete October 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM #

    Could you clarify the story that has been making the rounds for decadesโ€ฆโ€ฆthat in the late โ€™70โ€™s 20 odd million were taken from the BWA and placed in the consolidated fund”..

    To the best of my knowledge there is truth to the charge but it would not have been a case of returning to the consolidated fund the remains of the yearly budgeted amount granted to the BWA to manage their operations but an accumulation of savings from such grants over the years. These savings were held on current account generally in those days at BNB the preferred banker for Government agencies and in term deposits. The savings were also buttressed by an increase in water rates to facilitate the cost of the sewage project. We have to be careful not to split hairs ; just because it is not the practice of Statutory boards or they are not duty bound to return unused funds to the consolidated fund does not mean that the Minister Of Finance who at the time was none other than the legendary EWB cannot make orders to garnish those leftovers or any funds held in the name of the board as he sees fit. In the case of the BWA the directive was to purchase Government bonds with the excess savings which effectively meant it would end up in the consolidated since only the interest and not the principal is ever repaid to the entity. On another note, you would be surprised to learn that the principal reason for National insurance is to provide a source of capital formation for those countries with little resources. The benefits are subsidiary.


  36. Well said Frustrated B…
    Are we all beginning to understand the concept of brass bowls yet…?

    Here we are, voting for people who we would NEVER employ to even run a snow cone cart, to manage OUR MONEY in the billions of dollars.
    It is only obvious that we will go broke…

    In real life, with real people, we would IMMEDIATELY kick those jackasses to the curb ..and look for competent management….
    …but brass bowls sit around grumbling.. and hoping that the next set of jackasses will ‘not be so bad’….

  37. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    I got ya back on that….Frustrated.

    “โ€ฆbut brass bowls sit around grumbling.. and hoping that the next set of jackasses will โ€˜not be so badโ€™โ€ฆ.”

    The same set of corrupt politicians who practiced the same corruption 8 years before…for 14 long years…lol

    Yall screwed Bushman.


  38. Artax

    Forgive me I had a senior moment … I meant INTELLIGENT rather INTELLIGENCE man.


  39. @Bushie

    Are you saying a man like Denis Lowe who was an underperformer at Digicel, CIBC to name two places he was contracted you wouldn’t trust to give the responsibilitbility to manage a ministry which controls millions of dollars?

  40. Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka ‘Nation of Laws’ my ass.

    David October 14, 2016 at 8:05 AM #
    @Bushie

    Are you saying a man like Denis Lowe who was an underperformer at Digicel, CIBC to name two places he was contracted you wouldnโ€™t trust to give the responsibilitbility to manage a ministry which controls millions of dollars?

    As it currently stands, the only qualification needed to be a successful politician is popularity. I found at secondary school the most popular students to be quite stupid.


  41. @Artax
    I realized that Caswell Franklyn, Jeff Cumberbatch, Adrian Loveridge, Bust Tea, Hants, Sargeant and certain other members of the BU consortium can never be wrong. It is always those who do not find favour of this elite group that are admonished.
    +++++++++
    Wuhloss!! You have used your pen to elevate me to membership of a very illustrious group (BTW where is Miller?) but I have been frequently accused of being wrong by BUโ€™s David, Chairman Bush Tea, Miller and many others (canโ€™t forget Charles Skeete in his other persona) but it is an open forum and we all have biases and long memories.

    I wonโ€™t presume to give you advice but here it is anyway, if you feel strongly about a comment and compose an angry response take a 15-minute timeout before posting, if after those few minutes you feel the same way post your comment Criticism can be ego bruising but donโ€™t take any of this stuff personally continue to make your points (many of them have been excellent) and move on.


  42. @ David
    Bushie is saying that no one currently in parliament appears capable of managing a beer stall during Kadooment successfully … far less multi-million dollar operations funded by tax dollars.
    Serious operations go out into the global marketplace and head-hunt management of PROVEN performance track records – to run their operations.

    But the joke is not on them.
    It is on the brass bowls who have not only allowed them to mismanage now for decades, but to lord themselves over us – imposing shiite taxes at will AND having the gall to talk down to us too – just to add salt to the wounds…

    Pacha is dead right about the need for a guillotine …..

    @ Frustrated B
    Birds of a feather flock together.
    Hordes of brass bowls will naturally be attracted to identify with and support a high-profile, belligerent, super brass bowl…
    Intelligent analysis would therefore suggest that BRIGHT, COMPETENT people will tend to be UNPOPULAR.
    Unfortunately, these are the very leaders that are needed for success.

    Therefore, (as WW&C so eloquently put it…) we are screwed…unless of course leaders are selected on MERIT and performance.


  43. @ Sargeant
    Don’t worry about Artax…
    He has been temperamental like that from school…. He will get over it.
    He has too much to contribute to be held back by a short fuse….BUT…
    …can we say the same about GP?
    LOL
    ha ha ha

  44. Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka ‘Nation of Laws’ my ass.

    BT, the entire argument in Commissiong’s diatribe can be summed up as follows:

    In the extremely-socialist Barbados we have created, gov’t’s sole purpose is to employ otherwise-unemployable people at any cost. Further, the mechanism for said employment is not facilitation of efficient private enterprise to generate tax income, it is the creation of notional employment in ministries and statutory corporations at the expense of a shrinking pool of industrious private-sector tax payers.

    Not once did Commissiong make the argument that any moneys borrowed to buy new garbage trucks should be lent back to 4-man, self-employed garbage collection teams made up of SSA employees willing to spend their separation packages in exchange for ten-year contracts or any number of alternate, efficient, common-sense, progressive arrangements.

    No-one braying about ‘injustice’ has any will to make BDS a more efficient country or bring those who have put us in this mess to the Dock. It is all about milking every last drop from a 50-year-old cow headed for the knackers’.

  45. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/10/14/parris-still-going-after-millions/

    This Leroy Parris should be rotting in prison.., eating prison food.

    When will the 2 governments learn….this is what corruption causes, this is what conflicts of interest and incestous relationshpis cause….when will the educated illiterate leaders learn.


  46. What are you suggesting Frustrated B?
    …that Bajans should be asked to actually WORK and EARN their pay …by the sweat of their brows?
    You mean … no more going to work at 9.30 am and leaving at 3.00 pm – after a two hour lunch?
    You mean … no more extended sick leave just to enhance holidays?
    No more just showing up and getting paid…?

    Boss… don’t run for no elections yuh….cause not a brass bowl fella will vote for you…
    Which …of course, is why we are screwed.

    Come-and-sing-a-song makes some good points, but he himself is also into this business of ‘spreading the wealth’ rather than “by the sweat of a man’s brow…”.

    BLP, DLP, PDC, Come-and-sing all base their strategies on false premises. The ONLY shiite that works is MERITOCRACY.

  47. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Frustrated Businessman … October 14, 2016 at 8:41 AM re ” I found at secondary school the most popular students to be quite stupid.” ——– I counter that that is true and prevalent in lower school but as we move on to upper school other more important characteristics inform the popularity and by then the ‘stupid’ ones who ‘skylark and talk/do shiiite’ mainly are just the interesting side-show.

    Additionally, I am unable to understand your take-down of Commissiong’s thrust. You seem to condemn it all as nonsense. I interpreted his financial stats as perplexing because the business arrangement as stated would go beyond a sweet heart deal and would be a blatant give away of treasury funds.

    Is your beef with his fin data or the entire question of privatizing the waste operations??

    @ Vincent and Charles Skeete, I am amused by the BWA $20 million matter. Am I the only douffus here to conclude that the only way a government entity could return that type of money to the treasury is because they were self sufficient and technically therefore did not need it???

    To better understand all that maybe Mr Skeete you can clarify what was the level of annual subvention to the BWA ( sorry if I missed it in earlier posts).

    My point is that if $20 mil was ‘returned’ then the entire accounting/budgetary process was defective!!

    Oh, you also need to clarify that remark about Bonds and repayment of interest and not principal. I presume you are speaking about non-payment of principal between gov’t departments.

    And to Mr Bushman, you know quite well that your screed about ministers not being good managers and hiring high level professional management technocrats does not PROPERLY speak to that issue whether in Barbados or the world.

    Of course politicians are elected on popularity but also just as obvious they elected due to ambition and IMPORTANTLY have determined how to get people to follow them; particularly those who are BETTER than they are in key areas.

    Are you not an example of that, according to you? Did you not serve as chairman under one of those popular politicians ??? (And did an awesome job according to your testimony, and which based on your writings here I accept unreservedly).

    We wrongly beat to death this palaver that ‘politicians are dumb and should get out of the way’!


  48. de pedantic Dribbler October 14, 2016 at 10:11 AM #

    It is a bit more than that……….In 1978 EWB told the then GM of BWA Mr Sealy now deceased that the 26M he was saving to sort out the water problems were needed elsewhere……fast forward to today and ask yourself if the myriad problems being encountered by the BWA is as a result of that intervention.


  49. @Vincent

    Does it matter at this stage?


  50. @ Dribbler
    We wrongly beat to death this palaver that โ€˜politicians are dumb and should get out of the wayโ€™!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    speak for yourself Boss..

    Bushie can assure you that ANYONE who takes on the responsibility for the long term development of an entire society – when they themselves have not a clue of their donkeys from their face, qualifies as MUCH worse than ‘dumb’… such are ‘jackasses of the brass bowl order’.

    If you, or them …had any idea of the price they will pay for destroying such large numbers of human potential with their ignorance, you would not elevate them to the level of ‘dumb’ …and they certainly would no put themselves into such an untenable situation.

    The ONLY WORSE situation is that with the so-called church leaders, who put themselves up as messengers of God – with responsibility of bringing an even more important developmental message to the brass bowls, …but who are even more clueless than the politicians, and as a result, lead multitudes to their spiritual demise…..

    Shiite fella …. yuh GOTTA feel sorry for what awaits THEIR brass bowl donkeys…..

    But back to your point, politicians who mess up, …FULLY deserve the guillotine ..as Pacha proposes. It is actually a humane way to dispose of the JAs who put themselves up to take on responsibilities way beyond their capabilities….

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