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Vernon Smith QC
Vernon Smith QC

Hot on the heels of his suit against Marston Gibson, Vernon Smith QC has sued the BA. It is reported that the BA has responded by filing and serving [โ€ฆ]an acknowledgement under signature of BA president Tariq Khan, with their counsel of choice TBA.

The heat is on Khan, because, first, the BA must file a defense within 15 days as of filing of the acknowledgement; and, second, to involve themselves in this case means that the BA must have it sanctioned and agreed by its membership. Otherwise, Mr Smith may move to have the BA noted in default and ask for summary judgement. Thus the inappropriate advice given by then Chief Justice Simmons to his then-prospective son-in-law and then BA president Wilfred Abrahams back in 2008, not to pursue the matter because it would be expensive, seems to be coming to pass.

If the BA admits fault, then it drops Marston Gibson right into the fire Smith has already got going for the barbecue on which to grill him, appendages and all.

Many of the BU family have weighed in stating that this is merely a case of a lawyer trying to make money (or save money) by avoiding VAT. However, most respectfully, we suggest that no one ought to have to arbitrarily pay VAT in cases where VAT is NOT payable, whether lawyer or not.

BU has also published a great many comments critical of the BA, especially when it comes to taking action on complaints made against attorneys-at-law. BU agrees that the BA is, in this respect, not-fit-for-purpose and is constantly letting the public down. BU wants now to revisit its report of some time ago regarding the fund into which every attorney-at-law must pay annually, the object of which is to, in part, reimburse victims of attorneys-at-law who have cheated them – Compensation Fund: Another Screw-up By the Barbados Bar Association . BU has been able to ascertain that this fund now holds $2.5 million dollars and, despite findings of culpability in regard, but not limited to, Fields, Nicholls, Lynch et al, never has so much as one red cent been paid by the BA out of that fund to victims. Never! Instead the ONLY funds paid out of that account has been to advertise the estates of deceased attorneys-at-law. This is iniquitous and a downright betrayal of public trust and sacrifice of public confidence, which is at an all-time low anyway as far as the justice system of Barbados is concerned.

One of BUโ€™s legal eagles was able to have sight of Smithโ€™s claim and make notes for us. Here is what we are able to report and we stress that as the Claim has been filed, this report is fair comment and reports a document in the public domain:

Smith asserts:

  • He was admitted to the Roll of Attorneys-at-Law as Attorney-at-Law number 158 the 28 April 1975 and has practiced since then. He is also on the Roll of Solicitors and Barristers in Dominica and St. Vincent and has practiced there.

  • As of the date of his admission as an attorneys-at-law in Barbados he has been a member of the BA and at the beginning of every succeeding year he always obtained his annual practicing certificate in accordance with Section 11 of the Legal Profession Act and paid my annual membership subscription to the BA in accordance with Section 44 of the Legal Profession Act. He therefore asserts that the payment of the membership subscription as imposed by the Legal Profession Act is a statutory requirement and cannot be considered as trading or as a taxable activity.

  • When the Value Added Tax Act commenced on the 1st January 1997, after obtaining his practicing certificate he tendered my subscription to the Defendant in form of a cheque, but it was refused by the BA and returned because it did not include VAT.

  • By letter dated 29th January 1997 [BU notes this was when Alair โ€œBotsyโ€ Shepherd was president] he retendered the cheque to the BA giving his legal opinion that the subscription was not VAT chargeable and giving his written undertaking that when a court of competent jurisdiction in Barbados declared that VAT was imposed on BA membership, he would pay the VAT and any interest to have accrued. Nevertheless, his payment was refused. Mr Smith tried again in January 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003, only to have his payments refused by the BA.

  • Mr Smith points out that the BA is a statutory (chartered) corporation of all present and future Attorneys-at-Law on the Roll of Attorneys-at-Law of Barbados who constitute the legal persona known as the Barbados Bar Association and as a statutory corporation all its powers, authorities, duties, functions, aims and objects are contained in the enactment. The BA has no power or authority to carry on a business of any sort. The BA subscriptions are for the purpose of carrying out its aims and objects. Therefore, the association is not a business as defined in the VAT Act, nor is it a profession, vocation, trade, manufacturer or undertaking, adventure or concern, in the nature of a trade. The BA does not carry on a โ€œtaxable activityโ€ as defined by the VAT Act.

  • Instead, the BA is a regulating authority to protect the public interest. [BU says: What a joke that is]. The supply of service of the Association, by its constitution, is made solely and only to itself. The BA is not an unincorporated body (e.g. an association, club, society, union and is not an activity that involves the admission for a consideration of persons to any place or premises. It is also not an organization the membership of which is voluntarily.

  • In effect, Smith asserts, the BA is a Trade Union as defined by the Trade Union Act. โ€œTrade Union means any combination whether temporary or permanent the principal purposes of which are under its constitution. The negotiation of the relation between workman and employer or between workman and workman or between employees and employers whether such combination would be or would not, if this Act had not been executed have been deemed to have been an unlawful combination by reason of some one or more of its purposes being in restraint of trade.โ€

  • Smith then references and quotes Section 10 of the VAT Act, โ€œthat the supply of goods or services specified in the Second Schedule is exempt from the tax imposed by the VAT Act on the supply of goods and services.โ€ He then quotes Paragraph 11 of the Second Schedule: โ€œa supply by a Trade Union within the meaning assigned by the Trade Union Act to a member of the Trade Union or to another Trade Union where the supply is made in the ordinary course of fulfilling the objects and purpose of the Trade Union.โ€ Smith posits therefore that the supply of service of the BA is an exempt supply and does not attract Value Added Tax.

  • Smith continues that he has never withdrawn his undertaking to pay the annual membership subscription. That every year the BA has sent its membership a notice that it will not accept the annual subscription without VAT. Smith has been awaiting the declaration of the Court of competent jurisdiction in Barbados that VAT is payable on the annual subscription or the BAโ€™s notification that it will accept his membership subscription without VAT.

  • Smith states on the basis that he has never ceased to hold a practicing certificate and has never withdrawn his written undertaking to pay the annual membership subscription, he is and remains a member of the BA.

  • On 14th September 2015 Smith wrote to the president of the BA asking whether he acknowledged that VAT was not on the annual subscription and to inform him accordingly within 14 days. The BA has never replied.

  • By its refusal to accept payment of Smith annual subscription and contrary to the provision of Section 44 of the Legal Profession Act, the BA has removed Smithโ€™s name and place of business from the list of members and his place of business from its list published on its website and mailing lists in breach of its statutory duty owed to him under Section 5 (1) and 5 (2) and Rule (6) of the Statutory Rules of the BA.

  • The BA has always been aware that Smith has never ceased to practice as an Attorney-at-Law [BU notes: How could they not be, as he was commissioned as a queens counsel in 2005 when, presumably according to the BA, he was no longer entitled to practice]. Therefore, the exclusion of Smithโ€™s name from the BAโ€™s lists of members and its website, means and is intended to mean, on the part of the BA, that he not a registered Attorney on the Roll of Attorneys-at-Law in Barbados, that he has been purporting to be an Attorney-at-Law and has been practicing in Barbados, which is fraudulent and in breach of Section 12 of the Legal Profession Act, which is a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment.

Smith asserts malice on the part of the BA and sets out the particulars:

  • The BA without authority repeatedly refused to accept his annual subscription, knowing full well that it was depriving him of his membership and putting him in breach of the Legal Profession Act. [BU notes that this commenced in 1997 under the presidency of Alair โ€œBotsyโ€ Shepherd when โ€œBotsyโ€ was on the other and losing side in the Kingsland Estates matter, a spectacular loss for โ€œBotsyโ€ and his paymaster Mr Allard].

  • The BA requested that the Judges of the Supreme Court of Barbados disbar Smith without due process even though the BA knew that the Smith held a practicing certificate for 2015.

  • Smith references the Minutes of the annual general meeting of the BA held on the 1st day of November 2008 (published by BU previously) on the consultation between the Registrar, the then President of the Bar Association (Senator Wilfred Abrahams) and Chief Justice David Simmons and a resolution passed by the BA that the Bar would take no further action in the matter of non-payment of subscriptions by members, because of the expense. In spite of that resolution and with no further resolution by the Association to re-raise the issue, the BA chose to pursue the matter on the 14th April 2015 by requesting the Chief Justice (Gibson) to refuse Smith audience in the Courts of Barbados [BU notes: For which Smith is now suing Gibson].

  • On 7th October 2016 the BA issued a memorandum to all its members stating that the annual subscription for 2016 must be paid with VAT.

Smith therefore claims:

  • A declaration that the BA is not a person who carries on a taxable activity as defined in the Value Added Tax Act, 1996-15.

  • A declaration that the BA is a Trade Union as defined in the Trade Union Act and is accordingly a supplier of an exempt supply on which VAT is not imposed under the Value Added Tax Act.

  • A declaration that VAT does not form part of the annual subscription of a member of the BA and accordingly cannot be claimed by the BA as part of the subscription.

  • A declaration that the BA has no competence or power to refuse to accept the annual subscription when tendered by a member of the BA.

  • A declaration that the receipt of the annual subscription of members is not a taxable activity.

  • A declaration that the BA has no authority to impose any measure or sanction against any Attorney-at-Law who has refused to pay VAT.

  • Damages for defamation. [BU notes: This is a real kicker, as if the BA is unsuccessful, it is looking at seriously high damages, which would certainly explain the expense that David Simmons advised the BA it would likely incur].

  • Damages for deprivation of the Claimantโ€™s rights, privileges, benefits and entitlements of membership. [BU notes: Another massive possible hit in the BAโ€™s pocket].

  • Exemplary Damages. [Likely the largest award the BA may have to pay out].

  • An order that the Defendant forthwith include and publish the name of the Claimant and place of his business on its website and on its mailing lists.

  • An order that the Defendant accept the Claimantโ€™s subscription without VAT.

  • Further or other relief as the Honourable Court deems fit.

  • Costs.

BU now awaits sight of the defence from the BAโ€™s TBA counsel and will certainly report on it. HOWEVER, it may be of some consolation to know that the BA cannot pay any damages or costs to Smith out of the fund reserved for payment to members of the general public who have suffered loss as the result of misconduct of attorneys โ€“ but not much as nothing had been paid out of that fund EVER! BU expresses the hope that when this action comes on for hearing, there is some way that the lack of any use of this fund can be brought before the courts by Mr Smith QC.

BU is able to report that Mr Smith is not the only counsel to be considering action against the BA and BU will faithfully report it if and when such further actions are filed.

Marston, you are going, whether you like it or not. Why not show a little dignity and class and leave quietly? Oh, but of course, you are waiting for a golden handshake for completely failing to do your job, arenโ€™t you? Feel free to write us by e-mail as you did Sanka Price and enlighten us. We undertake to publish it without expurgations. Come on, engage us and the people of the country of which you are chief justice.


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169 responses to “TALES FROM THE COURTS – Vernon Smith QC Has Sued the Barbados Bar Association XXIX”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    The BA does not carry out it’s aims and objectives. Not being biased against lawyers in Barbados, just factual, if the BA does not want to see the victims of lawyers get relief or reimbursed by tainted lawyers, why are we surprised that lawyers on the island physically hates to see their clients or anyone else getting money, it’s all about them alone getting money and no one else. Seemed they nursed that nasty milk straight from the teats of the BA and BAs present president is powerless to destroy that philosopy.

    Since the court is the final stop, justice Gibson needs to rethink the rules and procedures that governs BA and put BAs separate entities eg Disiplinary Committee under heavy manners, they are not useful to the public and are only there to commit crimes against the people and serve self.

  2. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    This piece is very well written and articulate, however, I still take issue that since 1997, there has been at least 2 other sitting chief justices excluding Justice Gibson, please correct me if am wrong someone, was out of Bim a great deal, did not pay much attention back then. I heard attorneys discuss that vat problem and refusal to pay since back then….why did the previous 2 justices, …?….????????? and David Simmons not address the public interest matter with lawyers affected issue back then, the situation is now unmanageable and will now eat into the taxpayers through wasted time, we hope not financially, the same people whom these lawyers victimize and abuse, here is hoping that a clause is found somewhere to resolve the situation and quickly.

    The likes of Smith now knows how it feels to be aggrieved and trying to seek redress and resolution.


  3. Interesting to note Justice Cornelius’ report.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/74175/backlog-burner

    BU’s concerns playing out.


  4. “A HIGH COURT JUDGE is about to โ€œclear the jails of persons on remandโ€ to investigate the backup of more than 300 cases involving as many as 400 remanded accused.”

    “will be investigating 50 cases a day to determine their readiness for trial.”

    This seems extremely ambitious but I hope she can get it done.


  5. @David, it’s likely that the QC will meet his maker before this is resolved. I believe you have written extensively re the incestuous nature of the legal brethren and this case is an excellent exposee of that.

    A question for you tangential to this matter. How is it that Vernon Smith, brother of Frederic, Aurelius et al and part of a well-known family, long part of the establishment elite only was granted ‘silk’ in 2005?

    Was he outside of Bdos for many years since being called to the Bar in ’75?

    I am not familiar with the process but surely there were several younger, less experienced lawyers who reached that pinnacle before he did in his 30th year as an attorney.


  6. @David

    โ€œHowever, most respectfully, we suggest that no one ought to have to arbitrarily pay VAT in cases where VAT is NOT payable, whether lawyer or not.โ€

    Really? Who decides that โ€œVAT is NOT Payableโ€ or as you say “arbitrary”. So you think that you or me can wake up one day and because for example we know that VAT is not payable in another jurisdiction for a certain good or service, then that means the VAT is not payable in Barbados and we decide we will pay but exclude the VAT component?

    You do realize that in some instances, like any other tax, it can be a technical matter as to whether a specific good or service etc is taxable?

    When you think about lawyers you, really have to chuckle. Chances are that they are right that the VAT is not payable. However, if any of them thought they shouldnโ€™t pay the VAT, then why not pay what was in any case quite an insignificant amount and challenge it in court like us lesser mortals. But no, they have to make a big song and dance about it and huff and puff.


  7. I agree it is well written. A few points I would like to make.

    First, the BA has no authority to refuse the subscription payment of any attorney-at-law who holds a valid practicing certificate, whether VAT is paid or not. The BA MUST accept the subscription and report the non-payment of VAT to the Customs and Excise Department who alone have the right and authority to enforce the payment of VAT, if necessary by bringing legal proceedings through the courts. It is the function of the courts to determine whether VAT is payable or not, not the BA or, indeed, Customs and Excise. It is for the Courts to interpret the law, not anyone else.

    @Well Well. It is accepted that since 1997 there have been more than 2 chief justices. However, in the matter of payment or not of VAT, there is nothing a chief justice can or ought to do, until the matter is brought before the courts by way of legal proceedings, not by means of a request for legal advice (Simmons) or by way of a request to disbar an attorney with a valid practicing certificate (Gibson). In 1997, the CJ was Sir Denys Williams whose exemplary conduct in not taking or being seen to take sides until the matter was brought before his court in form of legal proceedings, ought to have been emulated by Simmons and Gibson. The law is for the court to interpret, after due process. It is not for a chief justice to advise a party on or, without due process, take action at the behest of a party. In the latter, that is abuse of power and, as such, gross misconduct for which a chief justice can be removed from office.

    @de Ingrunt Word. Apart from a lacuna when he was appointed by the Rt Excellent Errol Barrow as high commissioner to the UK and ambassador to about 7 EU countries, I believe Mr Smith has lived in Barbados. I believe he returned to Barbados in 1989 from his diplomatic duties, by which time Sandiford had taken over due to Mr Barrowโ€™s death and I believe that Mr Smithโ€™s adherence to the standards of Mr Barrow were not appreciated by Sandiford and Co. It is customary for any lawyer who has been on such high level diplomatic duties to be commissioned as a queens counsel immediately those duties end. However, the dishing out of QCs is largely a political plumโ€ฆ..and if you are not getting on with the PM, wellโ€ฆโ€ฆ. But that, if I read the report correctly, is not what BU is saying. BU is saying that 9 years into Mr Smithโ€™s dispute with the BA over VAT, he was commissioned as a QC. Clearly the executive, which alone has the right to determine who will and will not be licensed to practice law, took a different view to that of the BA.

    @David. I saw Cornelius Jโ€™s comments. Actually, it is doable at 50 cases a day. All she has to do is call in the DPP and ask if they are ready to proceed to trial and review with them their evidence. In fact, most of it, in a truly functional justice system, can be done by conference calls and e-mail. She is then in a position to determine whether a prosecution stands a chance of success based on the evidence, or not. If not and sufficient time has been given the DPP and the Police to build the case, she would be right in instructing that the charges be dropped and the accused released. As there is no statute of limitations on crime, charges can always be refiled, once the DPP has built its case. There is no excuse for holding people on remand for years and years. It is a denial of justice. However, I do share the concern of most Bajans about possibly dangerous criminals being released and I do think that, in this case, the Police and the DPP are as culpable as the courts for not dealing with their backlogs.

  8. `Walter Blackman Avatar
    `Walter Blackman

    @David

    โ€œ… no one ought to have to arbitrarily pay VAT in cases where VAT is NOT payable…..โ€

    Nostradamus November 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM #
    “@David

    Really? Who decides that โ€œVAT is NOT Payableโ€…?

    Nostradamus,
    The law decides.
    Vernon Smith,QC has put forward compelling arguments to show that the law, written in English, has already decided that no VAT should be paid on attorneys’ fees to the BA.
    Another lawyer, probably a QC, will read the same English, and will seek to find a way to demonstrate that the law has decided no such thing. Mo’ money.

    From the moment a lawyer writes a sentence and turns it into law, money is automatically created for other lawyers.

    Maybe, one day, a way will be found to write the law, using maths. In that case, you will have fewer lawyers and everyone will be better off.


  9. @Amused
    There is an alternate version out there, that he was seen as a Ritchie man and supportive of the N’s which by then had become the official opposition to the D’s under Sandy.I have no idea whether that was the case,especially now having read your contribution.

  10. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Amused….well understood, now we also see the destruction caused by party affiliations re Smith.

    Let’s hope there are no more interpretaions and misinterpretations of the law going forward. You know I did not miss the part where Justice Gibson may have requested legal advice from David Simmons, now why would he even consider doing a thing like that knowing, am sure enough people told him that Simmons is partly responsible for the mess Gibson is trying to clean up in the supreme court, unless Justice Gibson is trying to encourage Simmons to redeem himself. hmmm.

    Lol…..Walter is right, Math is another language most people don’t understand, including lawyers, sorry dudes and gals.


  11. At secondary school a student Joel King got up to read from a book on English Literature.He said “John Peel began his career as a liar”. He was immediately corrected by the teacher…”as a lawyer,King,but there might be some truth to your interpretation.” Later in his school career King wrote on the blackboard”Quem deus vult perdere,prius dementat”.I wonder often,what became of Joel King……..

  12. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @WB
    applause…

    I cannot believe that whether professional fees are VAT taxable or not, could actually reach this level and consume so much time and money.
    Whether the BA’s various funds have/have not been used to cover the indiscretions of its members is another topic.
    WHY would BU devote so much effort to this topic?


  13. @Gabriel. Yes, that too.

    @Well Well. Buzz is that Gibson is trying to align himself with the BLP (Simmons) who, as we all know is a relative of Mottley, because he sees things going bad on him. I would hope that Mottley has the sense to jettison the has-been (Simmons) and the wannabe (Gibson). But the buzz also is that Gibson’s best friend is that prize idiot Adriel. The justice system truly is in a mess.

    As for the Compensation Fund, that is a scandal.


  14. This is a case where the fallout can lead to strong legal ramifications and impact negatively on the state and its financial burden to collect and the court having to foreceably make a decision under law to protect the claimant
    Should it be Mr. Smith wins this can open a sleuth of many lawsuits by others and the rippling effects landing directly at the doorsteps of the state as B A avoids culpability relying heavily and presenting a self defense posture that dictates their only involvement was to carry out a legal act of service directed and govern by state law

  15. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    AC….the incestousness of the nastiness called politics is the cause of that whole mess. That whole matter should have been resolved at least by 2000, but because they are all so corrupted by politics, was left to fester, like a stinking rotting sore and this is the result.

    Amused…..mia is not going to get rid of Simmons, her cousin, he is adviser to Peter harris who has his hands in policyholders and Claimant money that can provide election financing for Mia, a circle of nastiness continues, Adriel, Donville and Mia are all buddies, incestous pool of filth.

    Justice Gibson knows he is on a slippery slope if he messes with politics while trying to clean up the supreme court, but we shall see, everyone is watching, particularly now.


  16. @NorthernObserver

    BU has posted on a myriad of issues concerning the Judiciary, you seem to be an intelligent sort, connect the dots.


  17. Amused November 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM #
    โ€œI agree it is well written. A few points I would like to make.
    First, the BA has no authority to refuse the subscription payment of any attorney-at-law who holds a valid practicing certificate, whether VAT is paid or not. The BA MUST accept the subscription and report the non-payment of VAT to the Customs and Excise Department who alone have the right and authority to enforce the payment of VAT, if necessary by bringing legal proceedings through the courts. It is the function of the courts to determine whether VAT is payable or not, not the BA or, indeed, Customs and Excise. It is for the Courts to interpret the law, not anyone else.โ€

    Amused, if you are a lawyer thatโ€™s a well chosen handle. Your advice or is it legal opinion sound real sweet, at least in theory. However letโ€™s see how it works in the real world.
    Amused buys a service from me and I invoice him $10,000.00 + $1750.00 VAT = $11,750.00. So my records indicate I owe the VAT office $1,750.00. Amused tells me rather indignantly that he โ€œdonโ€™t pay VATโ€ and exempt and gives me what sounds like it could be plausible, compelling reasons and a lot of legal mumbo jumbo, precedents, how it works in the UK and on and on, but I think he should pay VAT but I am no tax expert and when I call the VAT office for guidance they are no help whatsoever (this happens all the time). So based on Amusedโ€™s argument I accept the $10,000.00 and when I send my report to the VAT office and cheque for VAT payable itโ€™s short the $1,750.00.

    So I include a letter and tell the VAT office that Amused refused to pay the VAT but I tell them that Amused says I MUST accept the $10,000.00 and report his non-payment of VAT to the Customs and Excise Department who alone have the right and authority to enforce the payment of VAT, if necessary by bringing legal proceedings through the courts. It is the function of the courts to determine whether VAT is payable or not, not me or, indeed, Customs and Excise. It is for the Courts to interpret the law, not anyone else.

    Well unsurprisingly I donโ€™t get a reply to my letter from the VAT office (this happens all the time) but I do get a notice from them indicating that I owe $1,750.00 as well as interest and penalties. I am shocked! Here I was thinking that it would be Amused they would be going after (via the court system of course) since he is the one who didnโ€™t pay the VAT but they think itโ€™s me that didnโ€™t pay. I write them again and quote what Amused told me. No reply as usual. Each month a new notice with increased penalties and interest.

    Now I want to put in a tender for a government contract and also my bank wants me to get my annual clearance certificates from NIS, Inland Revenue and VAT office. Now a far as I am concerned I am all paid up to all these government departments but I am shocked when the VAT office wonโ€™t give me a clearance certificate because as far as they are concerned I owe them and I am also now several months in arrears. In fact I just received a letter from them requesting payment from me or they are going to take legal action to recover the funds.

    I contact Amused (he is not amused) and explain my predicament but he says he donโ€™t pay VAT and itโ€™s between me and the VAT office. I decide that I will have to pay the $1,750.00 plus interest and arrears if I want to get my clearance certificates. Amused saved $1,750.00.

  18. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Wait a minute….Amused, I am pretty sure lawyers charge vat, it’s a service, are you sure that law does not have several interpretations?


  19. Well Well & Consequences November 6, 2015 at 3:08 PM #
    โ€œWait a minuteโ€ฆ.Amused, I am pretty sure lawyers charge vat, itโ€™s a service, are you sure that law does not have several interpretations?โ€

    I donโ€™t see anywhere Amused said Lawyers do not charge VAT. They do. The issue is whether the BAR Association should charge VAT. Which now reminds me why this refusal to pay the VAT could only be an issue for a lawyer. Any VAT that a lawyer โ€œpaysโ€ is recoverable when they do their VAT return and deduct from the VAT they charged clients (payable). So it is not an expense for them. Yes of course they are making it out to be some great legal principle they are standing on but would any sane person really take such a small matter and make it into an enormous issue that will now take up the time of the court when there are so many more important matters the court could be addressing?

  20. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Nostradamus….that’s exactly my point, they may think it’s on principal, but being such a minor matter and knowing they are reimbused through the vat office. I am wondering if there are not several interpretations that the lawyers have been playing around with since 1997, as many lawyers are well known for……


  21. A few questions… Is BA Vat registered? Is their Vat Certficate displayed in their place of business? Do they/have they been filing a Vat Return as required, and paying the net vat collected to the Vat Office. ( now BRA)….., if the answer to these questions is yes, then they are legally required to collect Vat, if not, they are breaking the law by collecting vat from members.

  22. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Yat….maybr someone from BA can answer that…..

  23. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    One thing dat de ole man gine say to wunna heah.

    Wunna see dat fellah Amused?

    Amused belongs to a particular category of speaker “men who aren’t given to emotional outbursts, men who are economic with words and men who when they speak are backed with knowledge and truth”

    What he has posted at 1.14 p.m. is the gospel truth.

    Se how he has made such gentle jibe yet put such profound licks into the backside of Gibson current inept CJ and Simmons former inept CJ ?

    Jes so!! nuffin like de ole man, no cuss words, simple…

    I am prayerful that you are able to bring your gravitas to that political lacuna which impacts “true north” in your hemisphere before it is too late..you would change this place

    I came across this recently as i was look for the word “ARISE” something that would invoke some purpose of being, in these trying times and while not consistent with what de ole man was looking for, I stumbled on this and was truly amazed at its source

    “I am not the first Buddha who came upon Earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time, another Buddha will arise in the world – a Holy One, a supremely enlightened One, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angels and mortals….” Gautama Buddha, also known as Siddhฤrtha Gautama, Shakyamuni or simply Buddha

  24. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Yatinkitessy

    That reasoning does not necessarily follow.

    If the BA secured such status when, like a union, they were not supposed to, then becuase they were so effecting such actions, DOES NOT MAKE SAID ACTION CORRECT it would just mean that the VAT office just does not know who is to have such status or to be exempt from such


  25. @Well Well and Nostradamus. The issue is not what an attorney does. An attorney provides a VATable service โ€“ (s)he is there to earn a living and make some money, the beneficiaries of which is not relevant. (S)he conducts a business for profit. The BA does not conduct a business or, more importantly, a business for profit. Read the excellent report above in which the law is clearly revealed. Attorneyโ€™s fees are VATable. I also recommend to you the authority from the Courts of England and Wales which, while foreign, let me point out that Barbadosโ€™ VAT Act is taken from, almost word for word. For you, Well Well, who I know reads and understands, here is the link: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199899/ldjudgmt/jd990325/insti.htm .

    If you donโ€™t want to read the whole thing, here is another link that allows you to do that: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/law-report-no-vat-charge-on-licensing-accountants-1262851.html . Of most importance in this is: โ€œLord Justice Beldam said that in granting licences and certificates to accountants who carried on investment business or practised in auditing or insolvency, the institute was acting as a recognised professional body in pursuance of Acts of Parliament passed to protect the public against the risk of loss due to fraud, incompetence, misconduct and breach of trust in financial affairsโ€ฆโ€ฆ.. From the authorities it could be concluded that the concept of “an economic activity” was one which typically was performed for a consideration, and was connected with economic life in some way or another. It was not, however, an essential characteristic that it should be carried on with a view to profit or for commercial reasons, but it must be an activity which was analogous to activities so carried on. An activity which consisted in the performance of a public service, to which the idea of commercial exploitation with a view to profit or gain was alien, was not of an economic nature particularly where the activity was one typically of a public authority. Applying those criteria to the activities of the institute, they were not activities of an economic nature. They were activities which Parliament had decreed should be carried out for the protection of the public. The fact that the institute generated revenue from the issue of licences, certificates or maintenance of the register to cover overheads did not of itself mean that it was an economic activity. Although it was connected with the activity of the profession of accountancy, the activity of the institute did not consist in the supply of such services for consideration, but in ensuring that those in the profession who did provide such services did so in accordance with the law’s requirements.โ€

    I am sure that both of you get the point. For instance, if you are a member of a union, those membership dues are not subject to VAT, even though you, as a member of that union, will be required to charge VAT on the work you do for profit. The same is true of the BA in that its annual subscription is not VATable, but the fees of its members are. Also, the BA is a statutory organisation, membership of which, under the Constitution, cannot be compelled โ€“ but Mr Smith QC has not argued this self-evident pointโ€ฆ.yet.

    @Piece. You give me too much credit, but thank you.


  26. I am amazed that Mr Smith sent this authority to the BA as long ago as 1998, yet they, under the then-leadership of Alair Shepherd, either did not, or more likely COULD not, read it.

    The Gibson action and this against the BA are potentially explosive. It is clear to me that successful resolution in the best interests of the country now rests squarely in the hands of the PM and none other.


  27. “When the Value Added Tax Act commenced on the 1st January 1997, after obtaining his practicing certificate he tendered my subscription to the Defendant in form of a cheque, but it was refused by the BA and returned because it did not include VAT.

    How can it take 17 years to find out if VAT is applicable or not ? What am I missing?

    If Amused can give a detailed credible explanation in language a layman can understand why can’t the president of the BA call the head of the VAT office and solve this issue in 3 hours ( lunch and a few drinks included) ?


  28. @Hants November 6, 2015 at 4:33 PM #

    My sentiments exactly.


  29. Where’s the PM in all this… The solution is with him…!

  30. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Amused…I believe the PM is too busy at the moment, it appears the BRA, Vat offices are the ones should combine their efforts to decide if the BA should be allowed to register to pay and collect vat from it’s members. There are many considerations in Act 94.

    I mean the lawyers who are protesting should know if BA is registered or not. When that is decided by BRA, Vat offices, which should not take more than 30 days, the problem from 1997 should be resolved one way or the other. Fruendel has known of this problem since 1997 and did nothing for the last 6-7 years as PM to bring a resolution, of course his office has to be involved….why do they project such negativity even for matters that concern positive changes.

  31. `Walter Blackman Avatar
    `Walter Blackman

    Shaft November 6, 2015 at 5:59 PM #
    “Whereโ€™s the PM in all this”

    Shaft,
    Making a coherent noise by handwashing his clothes.

    LOL

  32. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Hants

    Regarding your question “…why canโ€™t the president of the BA call the head of the VAT office and solve this issue in 3 hours ( lunch and a few drinks included) ?”

    Because, given the economic situation in Barbados, if you are a man who places his “undercarriage” in the left side of your BVD as opposed to the right side of your Fruit of the Loom, de VAT office has been given the directive to “Tax the scvunt for anything that breathes”

    @ Amused

    You said “…I am amazed that Mr Smith sent this authority to the BA as long ago as 1998, yet they, under the then-leadership of Alair Shepherd, either did not, or more likely COULD not, read it….”

    Had the correspondence from Mr Smith ended with “and should this letter, heretofore described, meet with your favourable consideration, I, inter alia, will personally apply the grease to your “Botsie” notwithstanding and “lambaste you” (Domps’ words) to show my appreciation for you, and other parties hereto, as you, and your suck-sessors, are, and will, cuntinue to apply the grease to our botsies for years to cum, a fack that I am sure, given your persausion, you, at least, will enjoy… lorem ipsum.

    Do excuse me me Amused if my legalese only tek dis amateurish form which results from copying inappropriately from de internet…

    De Madam at church …

  33. `Walter Blackman Avatar
    `Walter Blackman

    Nostradamus November 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM #
    “Your advice or is it legal opinion sound real sweet, at least in theory. However letโ€™s see how it works in the real world.
    Amused buys a service from me and I invoice him $10,000.00 + $1750.00 VAT = $11,750.00. So my records indicate I owe the VAT office $1,750.00. Amused tells me rather indignantly that he โ€œdonโ€™t pay VATโ€ ……..

    So based on Amusedโ€™s argument I accept the $10,000.00 and when I send my report to the VAT office and cheque for VAT payable itโ€™s short the $1,750.00.

    I decide that I will have to pay the $1,750.00 plus interest and arrears if I want to get my clearance certificates. Amused saved $1,750.00.”

    Nostradamus,
    You wanted to show us how things work in the real world, and came up with this example? I can tell that you have not been living in Barbados for a while (look who’s talking. LOL)

    First things first, Bajan consumers get robbed by every tax measure the government comes up with, if that tax relies on businesses to collect it. It doesn’t matter if it is sales tax, or VAT.

    Now let me show how the real world works in Barbados.
    You, the real Bajan lawyer (or a random businessman, for that matter) know that, before VAT, your services really used to cost $8,511. So your service, plus VAT, should now honestly come to a total of $10,000.

    So what do you do?
    You tell yourself that if Amused could pay the Government VAT, he could pay you VAT too. So you charge him $10,000 as the new price for your service (and collect a self imposed VAT of $1,489 for yourself) and then asks Amused to pay an additional VAT of $1,750, on top of that, to the Government.

    When Amused asks you how come the price of your service has gone up from $8,511 to $10,000 you tell him that this wicked government doesn’t know what it is doing, and is making life hard for everybody. You also tell him that you have office rent to pay, and the members of your hard-working staff deserve a raise – all lies.

    If Amused doesn’t pay the $1,750 in VAT, in this example, you are out-of-pocket by only $261 (1750 -1489).

    So what do you do?

    You come up with so much business expenses that the revenue, which you collected from Amused and other clients for your services, results in a loss on your business’ income statement that you submit to the government at the end of the year. No income earned, therefore no income tax to be paid, and no NIS contributions for you. No corporate profit, so no corporation tax to be paid.
    And whenever the Nation or Advocate has a reason to call your name, they praise you as a successful and “shrewd” businessman, when in actual fact you are nothing more than a national parasite.

    That, my friend, is the real world. Welcome.

  34. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    For real and to confirm all of that just ask bizzy, cow, bjerkham and all the other corporate parasites in Barbados..lol


  35. If Smith is prepared to challenge the moribund judiciary BU is fully in support.

    JAs

  36. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    They always turn something as simple as making a decision and implementing it into a decades old production, this mess should have been resolved many years ago through chief justices, BA presidents, Prime Ministers……it’s a serious indictment on people who are supposed to be educated.

  37. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Amused

    Your fourth point speaks of shades of grey that you rather Justice Cornelius will need to clarify for the ole man.

    I am not psychologist but I want to present a group of “enforced recidivists” that your, rather her noble plan does not address

    In you post at 1.14 pm you last point states and I quote in part “…There is no excuse for holding people on remand for years and years. It is a denial of justice. However, I do share the concern of most Bajans about possibly dangerous criminals being released…”

    A man has not paid cock tax for a year and the policeman cousin of his sperm recipient has in his overzealous support of his cousin seen to it that the fast zipper Lothario is now on remand for 5 years or a fellow who broke the pastor s hand when he caught the priest at home on top of his girlfriend conducting a new style exorcism has been on remand for 4 years ant the list goes on for a number of fellas who, upon their incarceration, we’re NOT CRIMINALS BUT, by dint of these administrative infelicities have been locked up for five years, what of these incidental criminals?

    We have taken me of insignificant civil matters, put them among hardened criminals, in a society that ostracized a man for wearing your pants too tight, or talking too decibels too high, denied him freedom for a minor infraction and now wish to bring him from long time remand, back into our unforgiving society?

    Not only am I concerned about the area of grey that area of enforced criminals we have made but I was wondering if Madame Cornelius spoke to what she was thinking of doing to monitor the diurnal travesty which happened up to today?

    Jes axing causing we ole menses slow…


  38. I am reading Mr. Smith argument /defense where he indicates that the BA is separate from that of a corporate entity and falls within the administrative functions as a trade Union.. even so the group constitutes and represent and administers several public services where vat is applicable,


  39. Three things:

    Bajan men real, real miserable.
    I understand now why cases takes years, decades and generations to move things through our legal system (in the meanwhile the rest of the world laughing at we.
    @The Blogmaster “Smith has been awaiting the declaration of the Court of competent jurisdiction in Barbados that VAT is payable on the annual subscription.” Why would it take any court anywhere 18 years to make a determination?”
    I understand now why cases takes years, decades and generations to move things through our legal system


  40. @pieceuhderockyeahright November 6, 2015 at 9:16 PM “A man has not paid cock tax for a year…”

    Any man who has refused to pay his child support for a whole long year should be locked up for life.

    Wunna damn lucky I don’t sit on the bench.


  41. @Well Well & Consequences November 6, 2015 at 7:15 AM ” here is hoping that a clause is found somewhere to resolve the situation and quickly.”

    Problems ar NOT SOLVED by spending a generation hunting for a clause somewhere.

    Problems are solved by thinking about a solution, reaching agreement with others and applying the solouion.

    Shite!!! sance this nonsense was going on I have dun procreated and raised 3 children to adulthood.

    Stupseee!!!!

    Dis I mention that Bajan men are real, real miserable?


  42. @David November 6, 2015 at 8:09 AM “Interesting to note Justice Corneliusโ€™ report.”

    Fire all the male legal eagles (lawyers, bench, prosecutore, all ‘o dem) and let the women get on wid tings.


  43. @Walter Blackman November 6, 2015 at 1:20 PM “From the moment a lawyer writes a sentence and turns it into law, money is automatically created for other lawyers.”

    And to think that alchemists spent thousands of years trying to turn straw into gold.

    Lolllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  44. @Amused November 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM “I saw Cornelius Jโ€™s comments. Actually, it is doable at 50 cases a day.”

    Since it is doable how come the old boys club hasn’t done it.

    Wunna waiting for a woman to do most of the work????????? (as usual)


  45. @Walter Blackman November 6, 2015 at 6:08 PM”Making a coherent noise by handwashing his clothes. LOL.”

    Dear Walter: Naughty!!! naughty!!! Lol!!!


  46. @Walter Blackman November 6, 2015 at 7:18 PM “you are nothing more than a national parasite.”

    Or as Justin Trudeau’s daddy called them “corporate welfare bums.”

    Wise man dat.


  47. When the VAT thingy was first introduced I immediately noticed that infant formuala made from cow’s milk was VAT free while infant’s formula made from soy was VATable.

    I called one of my ex-men [Yes Bushie] in the Ministry of Finance and said “this ain’t fair since a significant proportion of we Bajans of West African descent can’t drink cow’s milk so why wunna want to unfair lactose intolerant Bajan babies?” He agreed and an administrative fix was immediate.

    The conversation took less than a minute, I did not have to leave my desk, the fix was immediate and I didn’t have to buy him lunch, give him money or none of the pokerts.

    The lactose intolerant infant is now a working tax paying adult, paying VAT, paying NIS paying income tax the whole lot.

    I saw a problem and proposed a simple workable immediate solution.

    Did I mention before that a lotta, lotta wunna Bajan men real, real, real miserable?


  48. Mr. Vernon Smith is absolutely and voluminously RIGHT to not hand over any portions of his remunerations to the government via the Barbados Bar Association.

    We support the principled actions of Mr. Smith, one hundred percent.

    For, it is absolutely evil, wicked, immoral, criminal, unconstitutional, unproductive and unrational for any government of Barbados to steal and rob, or attempt to steal and rob, any portions of the remunerations of the relevant individuals, businesses and other entities in this country.

    Just as he has been rightfully doing – refusing to hand over to the government what are rightfully duly his – those particular portions of his remunerations has been forcing him to hand over – each and every person, business and other entity MUST ALSO REFUSE to hand over to the cashier or any other worker in any business or other entity in this country, that part of their remuneration that the government is wickedly satanically attempting to steal or rob them of.

    PDC


  49. @Piece โ€“ 7:06PM. You real naughty. Both SWMBO and me laughed till we cried. All you left out was a reference to Haggis.

    I think it is wrong to blame Freundel, as Owen was PM when it started. But truthfully it is wrong to blame Owen either. The fault lies with the BA. It was the job of the BA, a collection of so-called lawyers, to write Customs and Excise and advance the case for no VAT. It is not as if Mr Smithโ€™s OPINION letter was either opaque or even arguable. It was clear and unassailable. If Customs and Excise persisted in its VAT claims, then the BA ought to have retained one of its many so-called lawyers, of which it solely consists, to bring the matter before the courts.

    Even if Khan went and had a drink-fuelled lunch with Customs and Excise now and sorted the matter out, the defamation by the BA to Mr Smith still has to be tried by the courts, or settled out of court. I have been looking at the likely quantum of damages in this case and the figures I have come up with are, frankly, mouth-watering. Now, the BA, if it settles and removes VAT, drops the CJ even further into his own doodoo.

  50. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Simple….now you trying to complicate things, I was trying to simplify things.Bajan men as you know are real miserable, they spend years trying to find a clause to prove something can’t be done. With the right pressure they will not want to spend that same amount of time before implementation because they already know it can be done.

    All the delays and bullshitism is just wielding titles and showing who is boss through petty power plays that takes years, ‘my doggie bigger than yours’ power plays takes years….lol

    If Justice Cornelius does not get the ball rolling with those bail hearing application guess how many more decades the court system will stagnate.

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