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Ariel view of the Muslim Clermont Settlement
Ariel view of the Muslim Clermont Settlement

BU has withheld comment to the news that a Muslim group was given the go ahead to establish a community in the built up Clermont St. James neighbourhood.  Why has this news evoke a 7-day outcry from Barbadians? All the lots in the new Clermont community were purchased by Muslims.

It strikes the sane among us that in a country reported to be 90+ percent Black many educated Barbadians have reacted to the news with a Muslim phobia. The breaking news that 50 Trinidadians of a certain religious sect  have flown to Syria to join the terrorist organization ISIS will probably add to the hysteria by those opposed to the Muslim Clermont Settlement.

The majority if not all of the Muslims associated with the Muslim Clermont Settlement are Barbadians. Many if not all were educated in Barbados and are second generation immigrants. Some of them have dated Barbadians outside of the group although they are encouraged, and often do, return to the fold to chant marriage vows. Many Muslims have resided in the enclaves of Fontabelle and Kensington for decades  with a mosque built in 1950 in the environs to practice their religion. Could it be a case the Barbados middleclass feels threatened by a few hundred Barbadian Muslims because some of them aspire to live in a middleclass side of town, TOGETHER? It seems those opposed to the Clermont Settlement were happy to be silent when they traversed Kensington New Road and Fontabelle to attend cricket or do business in the area. We are truly a bunch of hypocrites.

The Closed Brethren have lived segregated lives in Barbados for decades although they control big business in Barbados? Will those opposed to the Muslim Clermont Settlement find voice and oppose those who live at Kent?

Full credit must be given to Abdul Pandor, Suleiman Bulbulia and others from the local Muslin community who have come to the public to explain and clarify the Clermont transaction.  Although many questions remain unanswered local Muslims have not behaved in a manner to compare with the Jamaat al Muslimeen in Trinidad to suggest Barbadians should fear local Muslims desire to live together. It is no a secret this is a group who relish their clannish ways.

They have gone about their business by attending to rituals and practices in the most unobtrusive manner. Have we have become intoxicated on a diet of US Cable news we are happy to label Muslims and other ethic and religious groups with a very broad brush?

The only concern BU has about the Clermont Settlement transaction is whether is was transparent. From arms distance it appears very convenient all of the lots were sold to Muslims. BU understands a few Muslims bought all the lots and on-sold to other Muslims. When did the lots go on sale. Did a non Muslim offer to buy any of the lots. Was there any ‘pressure’ brought to bear on the Town Planning department. When was permission requested from Town Planning and when was the deal consummated between buyer and seller.

The developers of the site have wasted no times, work has started in earnest at the site.

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221 responses to “Muslims Moving to Upscale Neighbourhood, TOGETHER”

  1. Paradox Avatar
    Paradox

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772423/Up-dozen-schools-London-face-news-Trogan-Horse-inquiry-claims-Muslin-extremists-imposing-hardline-views-class

  2. Exclaimer Avatar
    Exclaimer

    @ Dompey,
    I empathised with your views. As a British-born citizen I have Muslim colleagues and friends who would give me their last supper.

    Unfortunately they are the minority. Would you be surprised to know that the family members and friends of your three Muslim friends probably despise you and see you as a lesser human-being? This sadly is the reality.

    I have reached the stage of my life where I have lost interest in reaching out to other groups.

  3. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Colonel Buggy

    Okay! So a little White kid saw Jesus on what would have Been his stairway walk to Heaven and He was an African American. (Ha Ha Ha) And how does his revelation change the course of human history? Many people have claimed that their were on their last leg and somehow their saw the Light.

  4. Victor Avatar
    Victor

    Bushie, you have only touched on the problem. Whilst I support that anyone should be allowed to practise their own religious beliefs, we need to examine one which, in principal AND practice, goes against the basics and fundamentals of our legal system.
    Do you agree that everyone is equal? Huge mental shift to accept that’s also true in Islam, unless you are a woman or of another faith. Or gay.
    Even moderate Islam is anti-gay. “So what?” you might say but this is a culture which espouses the marginaslation and castration of all women. It’s deemed as mandatory that girls should have their clits (and more) cut off. so they won’t be tempted to stray. After that they have to go in public covered from top to toe in black shrouds.
    Women and children are regarded as fair game to a Muslim man. They claim that “God gave us these urges and we must satisfy them”.
    That is a sick society and it must not be allowed to exist as a little community in Barbados.
    It is NOT OK.

  5. balance Avatar
    balance

    ‘So one would have had to have a brain with a wide open- door with no one standing guard, not to have known that the race of Black isn’t too often viewed in such a positive light”
    AND I GO FURTHER BY THE RACE OF BLACK ITSELF. THEREIN LIES THE REAL DILEMMA MR DOMPEY. IF YOU VIEW YOUR OWN SELF WITH SUSPICION IN WHAT LIGHT THEN CAN YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO VIEW YOU.

  6. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Balance

    I am not quite sure where you live but where I live, Blacks are viewed in a negative light. And it has more to do with empirical -generalizations pumped by the rightwing media and it is believed by some segment of the White population. Young Black males are often viewed violent, threatening, and as law breakers who are in and out of the juducial system. And that is partly true to some extent, but it merely represents those elements who lives in the ghettos of the inner-cities of America. Look at how many innocent Black kids are shot down by the police in this country and it doesn’t even reach the evening news? Let me ask you this question: when have you heard or read of an innocent White kid being shot down in the streets of America in the last thirty years? I could anticipate your reply now: young White don’t get into trouble in America as young Black kids do. That’s what the media wants you to believe, but I know better because I live my entire life in this country in a White neighborhood. And a lot of my White friends told me that when their caught by police driving without insurance and registration, their told to take the car home. While on the other hand, if a Black kid is caught by police in a White neighborhood driving without insurance and registration his car is taken from them. So there is more to the story than meets the eye?

  7. David Avatar
    David

    @Victor

    Under the Barbados Constitution people of all religions the right to exist. You all are going all over the place with this issue.

  8. lawson Avatar
    lawson

    The big problem here is that if becomes a breeding ground for radical extremists the worst thing is that they could go around lopping off the heads of politicians. the last thing you would want is a bunch of zombies collecting money at taxpayers expense……….wait…….

  9. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Balance

    I am not saying that Black people do not engage in self-defeating behavior because in many instances their do. Their have a tendency to play into these frozen stereotypes society throws at them continually. Take for example: young Black kids walking the streets of America with their pants hung beneath their knees. It Just does not reflect good judgment, even if what their are doing is meant to be a militant gesture to the establishment. I have a difficut time accepting this practice as a new cultural trend because it goes against everything common-sense and logic represents. It just draws more negative attention to our already damage image here in America. But then again, who am I to force my private convictions on the Black youth into day’s world? And why would their listen any way? When we as the adults have relinguished and renounced our responsibility as parents and arbiters of their directionality and then we expect these kids to do as we say. This idea of blaming children for adults shortcomings; I must and have repudiated in the strongest terms possible. Now, let’s get back to the basics and teach our children the four fundamentals of parenting: Respect, Responsibility, Results ands Rewards.

  10. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    Dompey

    “Respect, responsibility….”

    Isn’t that stereotyping too? And, sadly, aren’t those things at the root of what we call ‘religion’?

  11. John Avatar
    John

    lawson | September 29, 2014 at 6:15 AM |

    The big problem here is that if becomes a breeding ground for radical extremists the worst thing is that they could go around lopping off the heads of politicians. the last thing you would want is a bunch of zombies collecting money at taxpayers expense……….wait…….
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … or worse, their hands will surely be lopped off … for stealing …. hang on a minute … that might be a good deterrent!!

    A few armless politicians running around in Barbados might work wonders on the rest.

  12. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    David

    Offhand…freedom of religion comes under the broad heading of freedom of conscience as well with freedom of expression and assembly. But the ‘right’ is not unfettered. There are checks and balances….broadly to ensure that the assertion of a right may not infringe the rights and freedoms of others or the public interest as well as the right of a person to change his religion freely. There is also the prohibition of servitude and inhuman or degrading treatment.

  13. David Avatar
    David

    The Muslims are not squatting at Claremont, they were duly approved under our laws.

  14. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    By people who should have known better. Incidentally, who were the decision makers? The idea of an orchestrated Moslem enclave wrapped round a mosque beggars belief and I find it difficult to understand how it can possibly be ‘in the public interest’. Perhaps those same decision makers should now explain why it is – for this is self-evidently NOT a standard planning matter. It is one in which we all have an interest.

  15. David Avatar
    David

    It is no secret, the approval for land use is with Town Planning reporting to the Prime Minister who has ministerial responsibility.

  16. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926TO 2014 MASSIVE FRAUD LANDTAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS, BARBADOS DLP/BLP MASSIVE PONZI FRAUD Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926TO 2014 MASSIVE FRAUD LANDTAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS, BARBADOS DLP/BLP MASSIVE PONZI FRAUD

    Well Well | September 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM | @
    When you look at the crook , you also have to look at the lawyer,
    No Bail for fraud, they will have to show where they make clean money to post bail.
    You can not use ILL gotten gains to Bail your self out , The FUNDS must also be clean , So now he will have to show bank statements of a clean cash flow.

  17. ac Avatar
    ac

    what i do not understand is why people are tying the middle eastern muslims to the muslims who have lived here for many years .although both might be of the same religion and custom.i however find a difference in their persistance of not wanting to practice integration a obstruction that smacks of wholesale bigotry and what is most annoying and concerning is the article which attempts to posture to the muslim community under the guise of religious and unfavourably condems bajans as haters of a group whose ties are not solely connected to religion but who have made barbados home but for some unknown only beknowest to them have practiced a life of separatism and division..unbelievable

  18. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    Yes…but WHO was the decision maker?

    I’m sure you were right to raise the issue of the Constitution. The idea of an apartheid on ground of religion is something which goes to the root of any free society and raises serious constitutional issues. Yet – Joe Public knew nothing about this until a week or so ago when, as you say, it was all too late.. Moreover, since formally, as you say, the PM is the notional decision maker isn’t it time for him NOW to make a statement?

    Interesting that this doesn’t seem to have become a party political matter…or has it?

  19. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    In fact…..who will put votes on the line and say ‘This was wrong’. Is there anyone in any of the political parties who will be big enough and bold enough to do it? Perhaps we should ask Fr Morris.

  20. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    ac

    Is it wrong to refer to Trinidad moslems and tomorrow’s moslems and the day- after-tomorrow’s moslems? And who would have thought about any of this prior to 9/11? Doesn’t fear sometimes come well-founded?

  21. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    What is Race….interesting.
    http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-11.htm

  22. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Vincent Haynes | September 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM |
    “The earliest hominids evolved from apes about 5 million years ago, but modern humans (Homo sapien sapiens) didn’t emerge until 150,000-200,000 years ago in eastern Africa, where we spent most of our evolution together as a species. Our species first left Africa only about 50,000-100,000 years ago and quickly spread across the entire world. All of us are descended from these recent African ancestors. ”

    After reading the above extract from your ‘linked’ article I wonder if Bush Tea is still keen to engage you in his BBE Creation story.

    BTW, what has become of our friend Zoe the intellectual “nuksie” who believes the Earth as it is today was made in 6 days and is less than 10,000 years old.

  23. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Ross

    If teaching a kid that he or she ought to take out the garbage and clean his or her room isn’t personal -responsibility, then I do not know what is. Now, is it wrong to teach a kid that he or she must Respect authority figures? But not the ones that have a tendency to sexually molest them.

  24. Victor Avatar
    Victor

    There are moderate Muslims living quietly all around the world but these are being affected by proselytising Deobandi and Wahabi preachers who preach the language of hate. That is why you suddenly notice lots of Muslim women suddenly taking to the veil who never wore it before. These radical sects are not as powerful or their followers as widespread in the US as they are in the UK which is why the majority of Muslims living in the US are happily integrating. The Muslim population of Barbados is small but if radicalised by Deobandi or Wahabi preachers could rapidly turn into a serious threat to human rights. Creating a “Muslim Only” enclave, centred around a mosque is a signal, to me, that radical Islam is taking root in Barbados. It is a typical pattern of Islamic radicalisation; Saudi money pays for the mosque and an area grows up around it full of radicalised Muslims. Then madrassas proliferate where as well as after school coaching, boys have radical Islam drummed into them. Has anybody noticed whether there is going to be a Muslim only school included in the new development?

  25. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Ross

    The entire Ghanian way of life is predicated upon Respect. I don’t know if you’re aware of this fact? But, every adult in the Ghanian culture not related, is addressed Uncle or Anuntie by the young kids.

  26. ac Avatar
    ac

    fear of what or whom.why should bajans muslim be feelin a sense of insecurity after living here for so long.in any case whatever fear they have was an orchestration solely driven in part by themselves .in the USA the muslim population lives and practice their reilgious practices openly without fear only because they become integrated which dispel some fears or perceptions

  27. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Victor, your points are validated, I must say. But are you saying that Islamic militancy isn’t justified under no circumstance? Now, doesn’t the law of self-perservation offers Islam the right to radiclize? In a combat teather, you’re given what is called the Rules- of Engagement: which actually spells out what you can and cannot do. And two of those rules said: that you cannot shot unarmed civilians, but you’re instructed to shot and kill the enemy who is trying to take your life. So I said that to say this: doesn’t Islamic militants have all right to defend their lives if under threat.

  28. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    Dompey

    There is no need to teach anyone to respect authority figures. Having authority doesn’t make you ‘good’, ‘noble’ ‘right’, ‘just’……It simply gives you power. And I wouldn’t want any kid of mine to respect mere power – including my own.

  29. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    Of Uncles and Aunties – I am well aware of that. It is certainly a very west African thing (though not exclusively so)…as are housegirls and boys to be pushed around on a whim and made to grovel before Oga.

  30. lawson Avatar
    lawson

    I wonder how the world would be if the muslims had the nuclear weapons instead of the infidels.

  31. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    robert ross | September 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM |
    Dompey

    There is no need to teach anyone to respect authority figures. Having authority doesn’t make you ‘good’, ‘noble’ ‘right’, ‘just’……It simply gives you power. And I wouldn’t want any kid of mine to respect mere power – including my own.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..
    And being an ex Army man, Dompey should not need such lessons.

  32. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    St George’s Dragon | September 28, 2014 at 9:56 AM |
    Advocate Sunday 28 September:
    “The Anglican Church is …giving persons the opportunity to purchase prime real estate……in ………………………………………….
    ………………………………………………..
    Sounds like a Goose and Gander story to me.

  33. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Dompey | September 29, 2014 at 10:24 AM |
    The entire Ghanian way of life is predicated upon Respect. I don’t know if you’re aware of this fact? But, every adult in the Ghanian culture not related, is addressed Uncle or Anuntie by the young kids.
    …………………………………………………………………….
    And to a certain extent, this also applies in some parts of Europe. While Daddy is away on operation or a long job, when he returns home and one of the children let slip that “UNCLE” visited, he takes it for granted that it was his blood brother who visited,and not sneaky Uncle Buggy.

  34. ac Avatar
    ac

    there are over two thousands mosque in American,,
    read how this group of people where able to accomplish such a task even after 911

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    Muslims feared being “marginalized, demonized and isolated” after 9/11, said Safaa Zarzour, secretary general of the Islamic Society. But the new study shows they have “kept their eyes on the prize — becoming part of mainstream America.”

  35. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    How interesting that this post attracted less input than the average barnfowling. The price of freedom is…….

  36. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ robert ross | September 30, 2014 at 9:02 AM |

    What is interesting, RR, is the position taken by your friend “ac” on the matter.
    I am shockingly surprised that ac has ranted and raved against such an apartheid-style project.

    After all such a project would have received the final blessing from her Dear Leader Fumble who would have found the time to rummage through his desk piled high with TCP applications to approve such an all-inclusive project but cannot find a similar iota of time to make a ruling on B’s recycling plant (which he so proudly boasted about in Samoa) and the other myriad of projects that can help kick-start the dwindling economy.

  37. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    lawson | September 29, 2014 at 3:16 PM |
    I wonder how the world would be if the muslims had the nuclear weapons instead of the infidels
    ………………………………………………………………………………..
    Rewind to 1939-1945 and substitute Muslims for NAZI’s.

  38. Easy Squeeze (Make No Riot) Avatar
    Easy Squeeze (Make No Riot)

    Pakistan has got em nukes
    Coming in from the cold
    http://youtu.be/ZkGEXvC5kDM

  39. BOOKWORM Avatar
    BOOKWORM

    @ Dompey
    What is the source of you allegation that Sarah Lincoln was married to Abraham Lincoln?
    I believe that she was born in 1807, married in 1826 and died in 1828.
    I can find no record of a “half sister” on his fathers side called Sarah.
    Please help out as you seem to have better information.

  40. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Plantation…………….and if you think that is bad, let’s hope the Barbados Police Force is investigating the insurance company that issued certificates to Rodney Wilkinson and his car scam, good info on the ground in Barbados is that the insurance company is well known for not paying insurance claims even when court ordered to do so, stealing from their own customers, loads of scams, taking customers money and buying up or building at least 4 known medical facilities, own 4 of the 5 MRI machines on the island, buying up Honda Motors, Bayview Hospital, ha, ha……………i been calling the name CGI for months if you recall……….lol

    Now let’s see if the black controlled authorities in Barbados will let all of this slide because of their lack of backbone and testicular fortitude.

  41. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    Life in the old dog…

    Miller

    ac, love him, is being his balanced self. Incidentally, thank someone we didn’t have to put up with Black/negroman/whoever….yet

  42. ac Avatar
    ac

    miller please do not put words or assumptions to my comments on this subject.my rantings and ravings concerns are back up by the fact that the Muslim community has and continues to live in shelter and isolation “undercover”away from mainstream bajan society and there are some of us (blacks) who are expecting bajans to be a welccoming party to their eccentric and bigoted attitude..as far as where or how the muslim plant their feet is totally up to them.however not to expect any form of controversial back lash is delusional.don,t it twisted bro.

  43. Easy Squeeze (Make No Riot) Avatar
    Easy Squeeze (Make No Riot)

    Stop Your Game War

    Words of the Prophet
    Blood of the Prophet

  44. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    ac | September 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM |

    Ac, why don’t you use that superfluous energy you are generating against the Muslim housing project approved by the current administration to rant and rave against the injustices being meted out against a black Bajan businessman? Where is your alter ego negroman in all of this”?

    What has Paul Bynoe done to your DLP administration? Is he not inclined to grease the hands of Black Mout Lowedown and other corrupt politicians and officials?

  45. Easy Squeeze (Make No Riot) Avatar
    Easy Squeeze (Make No Riot)

    Muslims I like
    Prince Buster

    Idris Muhammad, Sakinah Muhammad

    Mohammed Ali

  46. lawson Avatar
    lawson

    I don’t blame the muslims in wanting to band together, after the news that a visitor from Liberia has come to the states with ebola. If I had any inkling I had it I would want to get to any country where I would have a chance of getting decent health care and have a chance of living. Is it beyond belief that for some money the people checking the passengers before they depart any one of those countries would look the other way. This is may be the start of people clustering to protect themselves from the inevitable onslaught of people as things get worse. Grouping together is just the old saying better the devil you know.

  47. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    copy cat in T&T ??? de outman out

    http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/beheaded-man-identified/

  48. MistaBlack Avatar
    MistaBlack

    The vast majority of the individuals posting comments on here aren’t Bajans. There is a concerted international attempt by certain groups to export Islamophobia to far reaches of the world, and it’s Barbados turn.

  49. David Avatar
    David

    Here is hate popular historian Trevor Marshall has to say on the matter:

    https://barbadosunderground.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/trevor_marshall_muslim.png

  50. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    drum roll…et voila….on cue……Black the Jewhadist

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