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Ariel view of the Muslim Clermont Settlement
Ariel view of the Muslim Clermont Settlement

BU has withheld comment to the news that a Muslim group was given the go ahead to establish a community in the built up Clermont St. James neighbourhood.  Why has this news evoke a 7-day outcry from Barbadians? All the lots in the new Clermont community were purchased by Muslims.

It strikes the sane among us that in a country reported to be 90+ percent Black many educated Barbadians have reacted to the news with a Muslim phobia. The breaking news that 50 Trinidadians of a certain religious sect  have flown to Syria to join the terrorist organization ISIS will probably add to the hysteria by those opposed to the Muslim Clermont Settlement.

The majority if not all of the Muslims associated with the Muslim Clermont Settlement are Barbadians. Many if not all were educated in Barbados and are second generation immigrants. Some of them have dated Barbadians outside of the group although they are encouraged, and often do, return to the fold to chant marriage vows. Many Muslims have resided in the enclaves of Fontabelle and Kensington for decades  with a mosque built in 1950 in the environs to practice their religion. Could it be a case the Barbados middleclass feels threatened by a few hundred Barbadian Muslims because some of them aspire to live in a middleclass side of town, TOGETHER? It seems those opposed to the Clermont Settlement were happy to be silent when they traversed Kensington New Road and Fontabelle to attend cricket or do business in the area. We are truly a bunch of hypocrites.

The Closed Brethren have lived segregated lives in Barbados for decades although they control big business in Barbados? Will those opposed to the Muslim Clermont Settlement find voice and oppose those who live at Kent?

Full credit must be given to Abdul Pandor, Suleiman Bulbulia and others from the local Muslin community who have come to the public to explain and clarify the Clermont transaction.  Although many questions remain unanswered local Muslims have not behaved in a manner to compare with the Jamaat al Muslimeen in Trinidad to suggest Barbadians should fear local Muslims desire to live together. It is no a secret this is a group who relish their clannish ways.

They have gone about their business by attending to rituals and practices in the most unobtrusive manner. Have we have become intoxicated on a diet of US Cable news we are happy to label Muslims and other ethic and religious groups with a very broad brush?

The only concern BU has about the Clermont Settlement transaction is whether is was transparent. From arms distance it appears very convenient all of the lots were sold to Muslims. BU understands a few Muslims bought all the lots and on-sold to other Muslims. When did the lots go on sale. Did a non Muslim offer to buy any of the lots. Was there any ‘pressure’ brought to bear on the Town Planning department. When was permission requested from Town Planning and when was the deal consummated between buyer and seller.

The developers of the site have wasted no times, work has started in earnest at the site.

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221 responses to “Muslims Moving to Upscale Neighbourhood, TOGETHER”

  1. BOOKWORM Avatar
    BOOKWORM

    @David
    The fools that post on here cannot conduct a discussion without bringing race into it. Best just accept it and ignore it where possible.

    @ac
    Are you as stupid as you appear or are you just acting . If acting then you are a dead cert for an Oscar.

    Now a question, who was the owner who sold the land? The answer will explain a lot about the way the deal was rushed through!

  2. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    @ Bushie
    Stop killing us……………………with laughter!

  3. John Avatar
    John

    Pachamama | September 28, 2014 at 6:51 AM |

    @ Bajan Heart
    It is amazing how logic or the appearance of it could be used to suppress thinking. We have another story. This is it. Only during the slave period was the sugar cane industry in Barbados profitable.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sorry to disappoint but this is simply not true.

    Profitability depended on sugar prices which fluctuated all over the place.

    In fact there are papers written on this.

    After Slavery the same thing happened.

    My grandfather used to tell me about 1921 when sugar prices went through to real lows and created havoc in Barbados.

    Yet by 1957, in my lifetime the sugar industry produced 200,000 tons, the most it produced ever!!

    A few years later the surpluses funded the Deep Water Harbour and QEH!!

    Those loans I understand were never repaid.

    The output surpassed 200K once again in 1967.

    Since then profitability and output fell.

    In the early 1980’s something as simple as a devaluation of the Euro created the ongoing depressed situation in which the sugar industry finds itself.

    If you start telling an untruth you are wasting your time and that of anyone else who cares to listen and can’t distinguish fact from fantasy.

    No amount of thinking will get you to any meaningful conclusion if you start that way.

    Slavery had little effect on profitability during times of depressed prices, simple common sense.

  4. ac Avatar
    ac

    @ book roon

    you ole goat ,what a buffoon. you are blazing drunk with misinterpretation you must be suffering from the male version of menopause..ask GP for a prescription quick, you sure in need of help,

  5. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    David

    That easy for you to say because of course, you’re living in a nation with majority Black population. And haven’t been subjected to some of the daily pressures Blacks who live abroad have come accustomed to.

    David, you would never fully understand the issue of race until you live abroad for sometime.

    Yes, the laws have changed to addressed of of the inequalities here but the attitudes have remained the same.

    Now, I can’t speak for another but this country forces certain Black people to become racist.

    Let me give you prime example: picture yourself a deceny young man who has never gotten into trouble while you lived Barbados. And you found yourself walking on the streets of New York City one day and just as you pass an old White, she hold tight to her bag as though you were going to steal. (Reality in America for most Black people)

    Picture yourself in the heart of a White neighborhood where cars are left unlock, and as their see you ( a young Black) these people run back and lock their cars. (Reality in America for most Black people)

    Picture yourself in conversation at work among a group of White folk and their dismissed your opinion as though you’re a product of Affirmative Action.
    (Reality in America for most Black people)

    Picture yourself delivering a piece of furniture to a White customer and she or calls the company and said: she prefer a White guy do the delivery because she fear the Black guy would return and rob her. (Reality in America for small number of Black people)

    David, you must understand that you’re not a threat to the White establishment sitting in the small island of Barbados. Their come down to Barbados and laugh and joke with ya’ll because their know that ya’ll do not threaten their interest.

    And finally, if there is to be any change in the attitude regarding the dynamics race in the world, isn’t going to happen in the small region of the Caribbean. It is going to start with Blacks in this part of the world who are cognizant of the White man’s behavior.

  6. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    David

    You say that work has already started and yet the story only surfaced a week or so ago. Is that significant? I really don’t know.

    I’m sorry, but I found your post contradictory. Public concern is centred, as you know very well, in the matters you describe in your penultimate paragraph. That X and Y are Bajans, thoroughly nice fellas and all the rest is irrelevant. But since you mentioned the delay in posting – would you kindly explain why you did?

    What is being established is essentially a Moslem ghetto…I say “established” deliberately. It is not like any ordinary gated community as you suggest. Nor is it like a ghetto where people of this or that ilk simply gravitate. This was seemingly orchestrated.

    Dompey

    I am not sure what you intend to gain by using my name to the extent you do in your early posts. But if you are going to do it – please get it right. I did not reject your ‘clash of civilisations ‘ point. Quite the contrary.
    What did come from that discussion was the horror at what is happening expressed by most bloggers – many from overseas, it’s true, but with first hand experience of the shadow of Islam, particularly in the UK.

  7. Nostradamus Avatar
    Nostradamus

    Caswell Franklyn | September 27, 2014 at 8:43 PM |
    “Open your eyes Barbados, haven’t you seen the number of young Muslim men who have recently started walking around in black, the colour of ISIS.”

    I hadn’t actually notice that but what I have noticed is the number of women walking around (behind their men of course) wearing the niqab so you can only see their eyes.

  8. David Avatar
    David

    @Pacha

    Barbados is a predominant Black country 90%+.

    Barbados is represented in the legislature 100% Black.

    The public sector is 99.99% Black.

    How the hell can approval for a few Muslims at Clermont be about race?

    Stop the damn stupidity and hold to account the hungry BLACK politicians and civil servants who made the decision.

  9. SuckaBubby Avatar
    SuckaBubby

    Bajan heart | September 28, 2014 at 6:12 AM |

    Your synopsis sounds reasonable to me.Heck, Black Bajans dont even want to live next to Black Guyanese yet mind you often they are descendants of Black Bajans.We conveniently speak of Black Power/Consciousness when it suits our selfish ignorance and not collective empowerment.

  10. DR. THE HONOURABLE Avatar
    DR. THE HONOURABLE

    Erskine ‘Dompey’ Sealy

    What is unsual about
    ” Picture yourself in the heart of a White neighborhood where cars are left unlock, and as their see you ( a young Black) these people run back and lock their cars. (Reality in America for most Black people) ”

    When Blacks do it too, is it a race issue ?

  11. David Avatar
    David

    BU waited because the Barbados is a bandwagonist society and BU believes the issue would have been clouded with the usual emotional racist rant. What we have here is a failure of leadership to order the kind of society we want for Barbados. A few who know somebody in high places get approval. For example, let us say Abdul knows TP Cummins and PM Stuart the rest is history. This is where the problem is rooted.

  12. St George's Dragon Avatar
    St George’s Dragon

    Advocate Sunday 28 September:
    “The Anglican Church is …giving persons the opportunity to purchase prime real estate……in addition to the land currently available at Morning Rise in St Philip, they are also looking at putting land situated in close proximity to the St George Parish Church, up for sale as well.”
    This is scandalous. Of course, only Christians would want to live in a development like this, so close to a Christian place of religion. This is going to become a ghetto for a religious minority. That sort of thing should not be allowed in Barbados.

  13. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    @ David
    Everybody in Barbados knows everybody else. Everybody, most people, are ‘related’. The real problem is resources and they distribution!

  14. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ St George Dragon
    You would have a point if this is being announced AFTER all the lots have already been sold out to Anglicans..
    …..or if Bushmen were denied the opportunity to go and buy one tomorrow….
    …or if the Anglican Church was not already, by and large, a FUNDAMENTAL part of the Bajan experience and culture….

    SO NO POINT MADE…..sorry 🙂

    @ Dompey
    You are forgiven for your stupidity, …but had you been a normal person, you would have known BEFORE you left Barbados and went to a land where “whites were the majority and where blacks were until quite recently lynched as a national sport”, that such were the NORMS of life for a person such as yourself.

    PRESUMABLY, THAT IS WHAT YOU AND GP WANTED….so shut your tail and adjust…….why the hell are you in Rome if you did not want to be a Roman?
    …it goes both ways….

    American blacks who find themselves in such a position as a result of acts OUTSIDE of their own control may well have a different case to make….. But not you!
    …you want to go to the people’s place and dictate how they should operate / who they should trust / how they should protect their own interests…?
    ….Wuh – who you bozie..? Some kinda Muslim?….. A shiite perhaps…?

  15. MOTIVATED Avatar
    MOTIVATED

    How has Muslims settling in a so called upscale area in Barbados becomes an issue and even a political one as well. The Muslims are in Belleville and Kensington new road , passage road . I didn’t heR any complaints that so many are there. There are places where all the white people has settled in Barbados . What is the issue . All we going do is bellyache about everthing and don’t try to work together as black people and try to achieve something as a people. Put all our money in the bank and get zero interest then other people borrow it and invest it , employ all the UWI graduates who havnt been taught to get an education to be an emoployer but an employee in other words be a sophisticated slave working for masssa . Massa controlling all our food supply who you think responsible , study it as the young people would say. BS&T sell out because of a porely run enterprise . Left the Muslims alone , try to talk to your friends , work together , nothing can stop ten of us black people working together and investing in a plantation or buying a large portion of undeveloped land and reselling to our own. The other people do it and we are fine to go and lived in their develop heights and terraces . Warrens is a perfect example.

  16. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ David | September 28, 2014 at 9:40 AM

    Well argued!

    Stop blaming the Muslims. We are not in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
    The question to be asked is why weren’t the Clermont land lots not advertised for sale in the local media just like the lots (Glebe land) being sold by the Anglican Church in St. Philip.

    But it could be a blessing in disguise for non-Muslims. Those Clermont lots are just reclaimed swamp land that Mother Nature would soon take back.
    Does anyone know the previous owners of that area of land before its sale to the Muslim businessmen who use the mosques as unlicensed and unregulated banking institutions?

  17. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    David, I’ll do as you have done and close my eyes to the fact that race does not constituted the integral part of the Above discussion.

  18. Hamilton A Hill Avatar
    Hamilton A Hill

    Even if the conflict that defines the middle east makes its way into this region Barbados will not be isolated whether or not there is a muslin community. We need to learn to live and let live, for in any event that is not what is effing up our country. One half is DEMS and the other half is BEES, so we keep substituting Mark Young for Barry Jack time and again, sitting back and watching Woggy, Buddy Brathwaite, Sandflies Small and the rest of that ilk get rich overnight, and we worrying bout Muslims and Christians? Leave the blasted people alone and deal with the crooks that shoving the austerity pole further up the ass of those who could least afford. The Poor People.

  19. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Bush Tea, America is a land of immigrants and their is no such thing as dictating to people in their own land. If you want get technical; this land were that of the Native Americans first. It is important to note though, that there isn’t any real distinction between the African American, West Indian and the Continental African, when they’re walking streets of America. We’re thrown in the some box but of course you wont know this, so keep on talking.

  20. Mr Watson Parkinson Avatar
    Mr Watson Parkinson

    … Are we saying the same about the Chinese…? Bajans, like the Caucasian, fear the things they don’t understand…!

  21. Caribbean Lover Avatar
    Caribbean Lover

    Just remember; Christians tend to put country first, but Muslims, on the other hand, tend to put religion first. If that is cool with Barbados, then, NO PROBLEM.

  22. Hamilton A Hill Avatar
    Hamilton A Hill

    @ Dompey… Bush Tea may not know[just quoting you] but I do. I have experienced racism at probably all levels possible. If it is wrong when done to me ,how can it be right when done by me? Dompey my brother you are bajan to de bone! Ya steeped in hypocrisy.

  23. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Will Trinidad do the same ?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/20/canadian-government-revoking-passports-of-citizens-trying-to-join-extremist-groups/

  24. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Pachamama | September 28, 2014 at 6:51 AM |
    @ Bajan Heart
    It is amazing how logic or the appearance of it could be used to suppress thinking. We have another story. This is it. Only during the slave period was the sugar cane industry in Barbados profitable.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………….
    Perhaps it was never profitable for the ordinary rank and file who laboured in the cane fields.But the real benefactors of the sugar dollar were able buy race horses and race them in England, and send their children to school in Canada and Australia,among other things.They lived like Lords in Barbados ,while the same rank and file ,including what they called ‘peasant farmers, who received pittances for their labour, had no choice but to immediately passed those few dollars earned back to them via Mannings, Da Costas ,Colanade,Plantations Ltd, etc etc. And in the latter days, before the sugar plantations were palmed off to the Government, they started to invest heavily in the hotel industry,eventually leading that industry down the same path as the sugar industry.
    Perhaps some day we will also hear that Tourism never made money in Barbados.

  25. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    This is a such a beautiful development by the Muslim community. It shows you directly what religious unity should be like. The so called churches under a Pentecostal banner and all of the other dis-unified churches, except the Jehovah Witnesses who also seem to got unity lock, stock and barreled, should take a leaf from the Muslim togetherness. Call it what you like and say all that you like about them they know how too pool together rather it be for a good cause or a dastardly deed. Now show me which church in the Pentecostal movement would seek to do such a development for its Congregational members without the world of war. This is a harmonious move. I love it.

  26. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    The civilized world cannot deny the fact that Islam is united in common purpose. Just before 9/11, I worked with three Muslim guy who hardly knew each when they first came to the job: one from Azerbaijan, Pakistan, and the other from the Sudan. And what really caught my eye with respect to these three Muslim brothers, were the way in which they were united in common purpose around Ramadan. The West ought to be afraid of Islam ability to united under a common objectivity.

  27. William Du Bois Avatar
    William Du Bois

    Let’s refrain from the name calling and strive for objectivity in our discourses. We must all have the tolerance to allow others to express and live their lives; if they do not interfere negatively with others. I am a very open minded person; but must confess that I do have a small degree of fear for Muslims and the Muslim religion. We cannot but wonder the many atrocities committed by those who call themselves Muslims. What is more difficult for me to understand, is that despite what is happening in the middle east in particular the ISIS issue; moderate Muslims do not seem to be lending a voice in condemning the evil that are committed by Muslims. It is sad that the lower species have co-existed and not damaged the earth – but humans have failed to do so. We inhabit a pluralistic world and differences should be understood and tolerated as long as they are not violent. I must add that I am tired of the hypocrisy and double standards of life. Thus, I am beginning to question philosophy and religion – which seek to destroy rather than build. Let’s make the World a better place for all. Love, Peace, Respect and Tolerance toward each other regardless of our creed, colour or class!

  28. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    AC……see you are still taking insults like a real trooper…lol

    If the majority will get together just like the muslims do and purchase all the land in Barbados, they would not have to stay on the sidelines and complain and look foolish doing so.

    Ronnie Wilkinson got NO BAIL, now that is what i call progress, was it not his attorney Gordon who was also recently arrested..HA!!

  29. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    William Du Bois

    The shock and and horror of terrorism continues to haunts us and we’re trying our best to make sense of it all but to no avail. Nonetheless, I particularly appreciate your piece on Tolerance but Tolerance seems to be an antiquated term which is stuck some way in the dark domain of our mind. The more talk about Tolerance the further we’re be driven apart by religion, politics and what modern day philosophers termed a Psychological-Egoism. And finally, brother, allow others the freedom and tolerance to do as their wish more of than not, affronts our moral point of view.

  30. ac Avatar
    ac

    the problem of assimilation is one of the many problems that has dogged the muslim community for years ,3which now has been further demonstrated by there obvious intentions to be separate but equal.. under such insight fulness on the Muslim part bajans should not only be concerned but rightfully suspicious about the muslims symbolic attempt to draw a line in the sand, after all, the Muslim community has been living in barabados for over sixty years and should have by now overcome any perceived inferences to barbadian culture and its people ,what does these people have to fear? and why would they want to separate themselves from among ordinary bajans in their quest to take a separate flight ?those are the questions bajans would like answer,

  31. David Avatar
    David

    What built up neighborhood in Barbados would welcome a mosque?

    On Sunday, 28 September 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  32. ac Avatar
    ac

    David | September 28, 2014 at 3:08 PM |

    What built up neighborhood in Barbados would welcome a mosque?
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    that is not the answer david,. try not to be politically correct on this issue,, the broader questions lies beneath the surface where the muslims community have withdrawn from the mainstay of barbados society for years refusing to interact or participate or support local bajan bushiness and the question is why? however only at times to “blend in” with ordinary bajans when it is beneficial to their needs, my mind takes me back to the days when they saw a need to enter in the enclaves of barbados society as it was of relevancy to their financial growth

  33. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    David

    “What built up neighborhood in Barbados would welcome a Mosque”

    You wouldn’t know unless you try right David?

    Now, I have to ask this question because it has been on my mind for quite sometime now: has the Islamic worshippers in Barbados given the Barbadian public any real cause for concern? Or are we following the principles of ignorance and judging or Islamic brothers and sisters, by the propaganda campaign which has been instituted by the West to besmear the image of Islam? Critical -thinking helps us to make informed choices, but it ought and must be grounded on substantiative as well as corroborative evidence.

  34. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Dompey | September 28, 2014 at 2:01 PM |
    “The West ought to be afraid of Islam ability to united under a common objectivity.”

    And what is this “common objectivity”, may I ask?
    The only common objective among Muslims is to make money and get rich, just like Christians, just like Jews. There is as much division and infighting among Muslims as there are among Christians. The split between Shia and Sunni branches of Islam (going back to the days the schism arose following the death of Prophet Muhammad) is just as wide as that between Roman Catholic and Protestant leading to further cults, cliques and hiatuses all down the religious tree of intolerance and ignorance fighting over the stupidity of whether Jesus is God.

    Muslims with wealth (money) haven’t got one shit to do with poor Muslims especially if there are of African origins. Rich Muslims have more in common with filthy rich Americans than their poor relations in Islam.
    Do you really think rich Saudi, Kuwaitis Iranians, Indonesian or even Muslim Trinidadians give two hoots about their poor fellow country men or Palestinians or those black Nigerians or Sudanese following the fundamentalist cult teachings of Islam?

    Money is the god of the rich while ignorance is the curse of the poor.

  35. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Hamilton Hill

    If you have experienced racism at every level than you’re cognizant of what I am talking about, David and Bush Tea, ought to keep they mouths close because the both of them have the slightest idea what we’re talking about.

    Hamilton, when you have are subject of racial hatred on more than one occassion you beginning to suffer from what is called in the medical community: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), and you have tendency as well as a propensity to developed this anger and resentment against those who are prepitrating this moral turpitude against you. Question Hamilton: how could you call me a racist when all I guilty of is reacting to the racism that has been prepitrated against me. Now, a clear definition of Racism involves the ability to deny someone opportunity based on skin color. I may hold certain racist views about a certain group of people, but when I act upon those views and cause another harm, I am defined as a racist. The First Amendment allows the KKK the right to march in Black neighborhoods and expressed their racist views because of their right to Free-Speech.

  36. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Mill, there are only five divisions within Islam, so please get a good grasp of the facts before you start acting like your friend the anti-intellectual Bush Tea. Now, how many divisions are there within Christianity?

  37. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    And here there are Mill: Sunni, Shia, Ahmadiyya, Ibabi, Mahdavia…

  38. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Dompey | September 28, 2014 at 6:34 PM |

    Don’t you think “five” is really too many? What are they fighting over? How many wives the Prophet had or if Allah is an Egyptian Ethiopian or from the House of Saud?

    There are only four divisions in Christianity .
    Those who believe Jesus is God and those who believe he is the only son of God (leaving out Muhammad of course).
    And then there’re those that see God as a white man (like you) and those who only see him as an idol painted in the colour of MONEY.
    Ask the many preachers in Barbados like Holmes Williams or Rev. Massiah who sees himself as the real messiah.

  39. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Hamilton

    There isn’t any law in America which said you cannot be a racist. President Abraham Lincoln, help strong racist views before he entered into politics, and President Harry Truman was an active member of the KKK, as well as Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black. FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, held a pathological hatred for Black people. And Queen Elizabeth mother has been reported to have said that she had a low tolerance for Black people. It is only when you act upon these racist views to deny any citizen the right to the equal distribution of the law, opportunity and conditions, that you run into trouble.

  40. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Miller. Abraham had two wives of which one was his haft sister Sarah. So therefore, in the Old Testament there were no sanction of how many wives one could have married and which haft sister. Islam just carry over this Old Testament practices of having multiple wives, and so as the Mormons.

  41. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Miller

    It is important to note that Sarah was Abraham’s haft sister on his father’s side of the family. No I do not believe that Jesus is a White man, neither do I believe that He is a Black man. I’ve studied theology, philosophy, evolution and anthropology, to arrived at the conclusion that he wasn’t a White man.

  42. ac Avatar
    ac

    if the mulsim community is perceived negatively by bajans they only have themselves to blame,due to the practice of isolation and ostracizing of themselves away from mainstream barbados ,, what has happened after 911 and the black lash only serve to reinforce what ever perceptions real or unreal towards them barbadians had ,now this act of abandonment only serves more to infuriate the sensitivities of the natives, as the muslims seek to hide out in broad daylight acting as strangers
    what the muslims need to understand that hiding or any form of isolation is not good for open societies other than to breed contempt and hatred as in this issue to separate ,,,,one would believe that after all these years that the muslim community would have learned and understand such a concep tand make necessary changes by adapting
    the Muslims are the ones to be blamed for any misconceptions directed towards them as of (now) not too many bajans have got to know or understand their culture or practices which they have hidden and kept out of view for many years ,understandably any one would attached or stigmatized that which they do not understand or have not been a part of, and so it is for the barbadian community with whom i find no fault, as they seek answers as to who are the Muslims living amongst them.

    PS the mosque ,is just another excuse,,the fact is that if the muslims had use their culture and practice to engaged other cultures and races or religious beliefs over the years very few if any would be offended by there pray rituals instead a level of tolerance would have been understood and granted

  43. Exclaimer Avatar
    Exclaimer

    @ Dompey,
    Why have you referred to Bush Tea as anti-intellectual? You may not admire his style of prose, however I find it transparent, comprehensible and more often-or-not correct. If he were a politician I would probably vote for him. Why? He strips through all the bullshit.

    Let us be clear: all minority groups residing in Barbados are a threat to the Afro-Bajan. The group that I fear most is the black politician irrespective of their politics.

    I believe that there is no place for Islam in a post-independent Barbados. The time will come when Barbados will have to decide whether it can afford to accommodate those citizens who pledge their allegiance to a religion over that of their nation state in which they reside. Sadly, Muslims the world over have always been separatists.

    The Afro-Bajan will never progress unless he/she adopts the practises of those minorities who reside in Barbados. The lesson is evident do not spend your hard earned monies outside of your communities and pool your resources. This is the only way to reform Barbados.

  44. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    .@ ac | September 28, 2014 at 7:51 PM |

    So ac why don’t you call on the local Muslim community to participate in next year’s Crop Over festival by displaying some certain facets of their cultural heritage?

    Why engage in the national event by only importing and selling crap to the black participants in the festival? What about sponsoring a tent geared as offering a so-called cleaner side to the smut peddled at crop over?

    The same way they can travel the length and breadth of Barbados to sell stupid black people clothing, household items and trinkets; the profits from which are used to buy the same land at Clermont why can’t they show their appreciation of their customers’ loyalty by participating in the local festivities and not only at Xmas which is seen as a golden opportunity to sell the naïve locals things they don’t need?

  45. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Exclaimer

    There is no place for Islam in a post-independent Barbados. How dear you expoused your religious bigotry and at a time when you ought to know better given the historical circumstances surrounding the man of African extraction in the America’s? Let me ask you this question: has this group of Muslims that now reside in Barbados, given you any cause for alarm prior to 9/11?

  46. ac Avatar
    ac

    @ miller stupid i have already address those issues by asking and reverting to answers learned through the muslims lack of interactionand very little interest or effort displayed within bajan society ,,except when it serves their purpose of financial gain.

  47. Exclaimer Avatar
    Exclaimer

    @ Dompey,
    Before a plant bears fruit a seed must be planted. Stealth is a silent killer. The Muslim minority are a patient group; they will reap the harvest of their success at the appropriate time.

    For the record I’m not a fan of any religion. I am not a bigot; I’m just a pragmatic realist.

  48. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Dompey | September 28, 2014 at 7:45 PM |
    “It is important to note that Sarah was Abraham’s haft sister on his father’s side of the family. No I do not believe that Jesus is a White man, neither do I believe that He is a Black man.”

    What are you telling us about Father Abraham? That he was not only an incestuous liar but also a pimp who sold his wife into Pharaoh’s whorehouse?

    If Jesus is neither White or Black then he has to be Chinese (yellow) or Indian (brown). Or is he fiery red?

  49. Dompey Avatar
    Dompey

    Exlaimer

    I wish a lot more of my Christian brothers and sisters were as devoted to their religious cause as the Muslim brother and sisters are. How could you in good faith fault any religious man or woman for his or her devotion to his or her religion over country?
    Only a secular minded man would think that is okay to put one’s country above one’s religion. And this leave me the question the values, principles and convictions, which given validity to your thought process brother. In end, I have three good friends who are Muslim, one from Azerbaijan, Pakistan and the other from the Sudan, and they’re three of the kindness human beings I have met. They’re would give you the shirts of they backs if the need be. You cannot fault Islam for living out the principels of their religion and Christianity for pretending to.

  50. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Dompey | September 28, 2014 at 7:45 PM |
    No I do not believe that Jesus is a White man, neither do I believe that He is a Black man. I’ve studied theology, philosophy, evolution and anthropology, to arrived at the conclusion that he wasn’t a White man.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………..
    And look at what a lil redneck boy saw!
    http://stuppid.com/racist-boy-dies-black-jesus/

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