UWI, Tertiary Education Cost and the Budget

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Sir Frank Alleyne

Sir Frank Alleyne

Sir Frank Alleyne’s interview on the People’s Business last night was spot-on. As usual, he was cogent, rational, reasonable and, of course, very ‘frank’, no pun intended. All the while, trying not to be overly critical of the administration at Cave Hill, but tacitly showing up its unreasonableness and excessive spending, nonetheless. He walked the proverbial tightrope (having taught there for decades, so he was somewhat circumspect), but he did it well.

It was very interesting television! Lots of good points were made; but  a couple salient ones stand out:

  • current physical development at the Cave Hill campus is not sustainable;
  • maintenance and personnel to staff the new structures will be difficult to maintain;
  • salary levels are very high;
  • UWI’s operating cost (to central government) has risen exponentially from about $53 million in 2005 to over $126 million in 2012-2013;

  • students who cannot matriculate at BCC easily enrol at Cave Hill;
  • they ought to spend some time getting their feet wet at the BCC, before moving on to UWI;
  • there’s to much emphasis on numbers, and this will compromise quality for quantity;
  • UWI is preoccupied with just teaching, while the required research component (which should generate income and make it less dependent on central government) is lacking;
  • there is very little difference between local students who earn the prestigious Barbadian scholarship and those who attend UWI, since the state picks up the full tab now. The only difference is that the scholarship winners can study anywhere in the world;
  • the Budget measures are timely, as government has to act NOW; set its own austerity measures, and bear the pain; otherwise, we would have to abide by those set by the IMF;
  • and, more attention must be paid to agriculture.

Moderator Dale Forde posed a very important question to Sir Frank: ‘on the one hand, UWI is supposed to be autonomous and independent, yet its bills are met by central government; so, why can’t government intervene and set a ceiling on entrants?’ (I have paraphrased here).

Hear Sir Frank’s diplomatic reply: ‘Good point, but Government has never sought to micro-manage that institution’. That’s so true; but the people at UWI must have a conscience and act responsibly, bearing in mind that it’s the taxpayers who sustain that place.

The long-and-short of the matter is, government has to rein-in Cave Hill. Simply put: who pays the piper, must call the tune. Everyone and every institution must be frugal and exercise good judgement at this time. I shudder to contemplate the alternative.

103 thoughts on “UWI, Tertiary Education Cost and the Budget


  1. I still do not see the justification for an end to free tertiary education. What has to be worked through is the entry criteria for students. anyone who has had the fortune or misfortune to have taught at Cave Hill campus knows how ill prepared many students are. If you allow an ill-prepared student to pay fees to study and pass exams, he/she may still be a burden to society in the medium to long term. SO the question is not how prepared or not students are, it is what can UWI do to improve quality over quantity. The answer does not reside in making students pay tuition but in having the university adjust its entry requirements. Yes salaries are high at Cave Hill but so is the workload for lecturers. I agree that quality is an issue at Cave Hill. But this will not be resolved through making students pay when students already enter the university – not having matriculated at BCC.!!! why then are entry requirements so apparently lapse.


    • The issue here is a simple one, the government of Barbados CANNOT afford to pay UWI 150 million plus annually.


    • What is most confusing is that the Opposition has been voicing concerns about the need to cut expenditure and as reported in the media yesterday MAM is oppose to the cuts to UWI, QEH etc. So where should the cuts come?


  2. Then, for next year all student need to boycott UWI and sell pot TO THE TOURIST, LETS SEE WHAT THEY WILL DO THEN .
    THEY ARE MANY JERKS AT UWI, ALL THAT TIME THERE AND LEARN NOTHING LIKE TODD ,,JONES WITH ALL OF THE PAID HIGH RANK ,THEY HAVE LEARNED NOTHING, TITLES PAID FOR LIKE ALLEN STANFORD , CROOKS, SIRS AT UWI, QC, MPS, PHDS , MDS AND ALL THAT CROOK SHE-IT THEY DOING ,


  3. Folks remember it is the University of the West Indies not the University of Barbados therefore the GOB cannot dictate how it is run.just like how the GOB cannot dictate how LIAT is run. The governments of the West Indies decide to fund the University since it is providing a service for these countries.same as LIAT is providing a service.


  4. The question is if the increased bills from Cave Hill Campus were only presented to the GOB or were there also increased bills to the other contributing countries in the Caribbean.


  5. A few questions to be answered, I need to find out why the room mate and pillow mate of Beckles the St Lucian woman Janet Carew with the straight black hair who works under the UWI boss Beckles is directing the students to protest about student fees.

    If she feels it is necessary to support Beckles come out and say she supports Beckles because the ccock a locks tooo sweet but don’t come thru the backdoor.

    Why are they using her UWI office as Campaign Central.

    What does she do?

    Why is she not encouraging T&T students to protest the payment of 50% of tuition and economic cost when they come to Cave Hill.

    These students have to prove residence in T&T for 3 years before applying and must pay their money before Gov’t pays. Must also get a minimum GPA of 2.0 or no payment from Gov’t.


  6. @Tell Me More
    What personal trite are you blogging. I sense malice in your statements. Trinidadians can fill up their cars for less than half of what we fill our cars with. My point is that each Caribbean country is unique offering its unique range of products and services. Ours happen to be free education and free health care at point of delivery and public beaches. We dont mind paying high taxes if those three pillars on which the country has progressed remains.

    But now we are being highly taxed and asked to pay for health care and now education. There is no justification all the while things like constituency councils, free bus fares, caterers for free Summer camps continue which are only political and have no real effect to advance Barbados.


  7. It is not amusing that more than one person can suggest that the foolishness that Plantations deeds has posted here can be excellent !!!!


  8. Tom Adams (March 31st, 1982) during a recessionary period; maybe you can observe those things that are similar and those that are different, and you will come to the realisation precisely why Stuart and the DLP are the worse things imaginable for leading Barbados to any growth before totally collapsing the country.
    “The Barbados economy is bound to be profoundly affected by these developments. … In 1981, however, all three of our dynamic sectors – sugar, tourism and manufacturing – suffered significant declines in output of orders of magnitude which could not have possibly been foreseen a year ago. The Government, through its expanded capital investment programme, has tried to cushion this shock by maintaining domestic economic activity in the construction and indirectly in the distribution sectors.
    However since no immediate improvement in the foreign exchange generating sectors is apparent, the time has come to confront certain realities. Despite progress in import-substitution, the facts of life are that Barbados as a small open economy, imports by value an amount equal to over 70% of our Gross Domestic Product — which is the annual value of the output of all goods and services in our economy. Therefore, in order to sustain imports of all kinds – food, fuel, intermediate and capital goods – on which our standard of living depends, we must acquire foreign exchange by exporting goods and services. While foreign exchange reserves can and have been augmented by judicious borrowing, this must be kept within strictly manageable limits and used for investment, not consumption purposes. In the face, therefore of declining foreign exchange earnings and reserve levels, there is no viable option other than adjusting domestic demand to our temporarily reduced capacity to import.
    To put it bluntly, in an economy which is not growing, there is no increased output available to enhance standards of living. If we try to improve our position by paying ourselves more than we are producing in extra output, some may gain at the expense of others, but as a country we will be worse off in real terms – that is in the amount of goods and services we acquire and consume.
    Government’s strategy in the face of this situation, then, is two-fold:
    (i) to pursue policies designed to achieve an adjustment of domestic demand in the light of the constraints imposed by the decline in foreign exchange earnings; and to do this in as equitable a manner as possible and without causing undue social dislocation;
    (ii) to lay the groundwork for future growth so that as soon as the upturn in economic activity comes Barbados will be able to take advantage of the opportunity for renewed growth.


  9. “Moderator Dale Forde posed a very important question to Sir Frank: ‘on the one hand, UWI is supposed to be autonomous and independent, yet its bills are met by central government; so, why can’t government intervene and set a ceiling on entrants?’ (I have paraphrased here).”

    Any journalist worth his/her salt would not have asked such a question. Two of our biggest problems are: hypocrisy and poor journalism.


  10. What is most confusing is that the Opposition has been voicing concerns about the need to cut expenditure and as reported in the media yesterday MAM is oppose to the cuts to UWI, QEH etc.

    what is confusing to me is the seemingly incoherent and feeble opposition response to draconian measures related to the QEH and the reverse tax credit which must of a consequence impact negatively on the livelihood of the already marginalised. Has the politically expedient mantra ‘we are not only an economy but a society’ been discarded and how long did it take the government to realise that there could be no thriving society without a well managed economy.

    and DAVID what is equally confusing is MR INNISS’ casual repudiation of the solid waste levy introduced by the MOF as an error without up to now having been taken to task by a poor opposition or fourth estate.
    what further confuses me about MR INNISS’ pronouncement is this- if the solid waste levy tax is an error, certainly the expectation of revenue attributed to the error cannot be ignored since the revenue yield would have already been factored in the budget formulation plans.
    It is passing strange that MINISTER OF COMMERCE mind you not the MINISTER OF FINANCE did not indicate in his presentation to the party faithful at the luncheon what was the original tax proposal the GOVT had intended to introduce to collect the revenue which would have been collected by the erroneous solid waste levy or if the budget figures would be adjusted to reflect this loss in revenue if the solid waste tax is discarded and replaced by nothing.
    I am wondering if this is another case of thoughtlessness or the laissez-faire approach to governance exhibited by those in charge or is the repudiation of the tax an attempt to appease the lobby of the bigups for certainly those who could not afford and who would now have to pay have no such lobby.


  11. So where should the cuts come?
    Creativity and innovation DAVID. do you not think that a salary of $10.000 and change and perks too should be sufficient to motivate our MINISTERS to think critically? Our system of governance is clear and does not place that burden on the shoulders of the opposition. Their role is to effectively and truthfully represent the interests of their constituents and expose the shortcomings of the those in charge of governing. Sadly they are not doing a good job in this regard. Seems almost as if there is collusion between the two parties.


  12. Can a country tax it’s way out of recession? Will Barbados accept a system whereby those who pay taxes will find it difficult to access university education while those who do not pay taxes get “free” education, housing and health benefits. This is known as means testing. Those BU readers who live or have lived in the UK can tell us more of the outcomes of means testing.


    • @balance

      The article reported Inniss as saying the quantum of the tax was not in question, just the %. Let us wait to see how long the MoF takes to clarify.

      @Ping Pong

      The government is battling a problem as a result of continuing to build out a nanny state. The problem is compounded because successive governments have failed to efficiently collect revenue. What we know is that current decision making is driven by the need to shore up finances rather than the ideal position of working towards a vision. We are in a bad place and the division and unwillingness of key stakeholders to buy in to the current reality remains foreboding.


  13. With easy money from GOB coming to an end at UWI the anti government economists there are concerned. The foreigner Tennyson Joseph who writes an anti government column in the anti government Nation points out that cut backs to UWI will bring staff losses. This is the same Joseph and Ryan Straughan who agitated for cuts in government expenditure. Well theyve got what they wanted and should both be fired immediately to assist UWI’s money woes. Howard and George Belle should also receive pink slips.


  14. Sir Frank Alleyne’s interview on the People’s Business last night was spot-on. As usual, he was cogent, rational, reasonable and, of course, very ‘frank’, no pun intended. All the while, trying not to be overly critical of the administration at Cave Hill, but tacitly showing up its unreasonableness and excessive spending, nonetheless. He walked the proverbial tightrope (having taught there for decades, so he was somewhat circumspect), but he did it well.

    Sir Frank Alleyne’s pronouncements over time and there is no need to repeat them verbatim here have proven him to be a two-mout fellow who has allowed his political blinkers to take precedence over his scholarship and commonsense and calling his credibility into question. What is even more distressing is that a man of his national stature does not seem to understand that it to people like him -the beneficiary of free education- that the uninitiated look for guidance.
    Hear Sir Frank remonstrating to the entire nation on TV in his election night comments” ANYONE PROPOSING A $90 MILLION STIMULUS PACKAGE TO JUMP START THE ECONOMY NEEDS HIS HEAD EXAMINING”
    SCENE TWO- The DLP proposes a $400 million stimulus and not a word from Sir Frank.

    Sir Frank in a recent interview informed that that there was no political interference during his tenure of chairman of the national insurance board between 1986-1994. What Sir Frank seemed to conveniently forget is that after the change in government in 1994,he continued as chairman for some time under the BLP regime and was an advisor to Mr Arthur and was praised by Mr Arthur for his advice in Mr Arthur’s response to Mr Thompson’s first budget presentation.
    Hear what his former colleague, the respected Mr Wendell Mclean had to say -and he should know the man of whom he speaks better than anybody else- about his erstwhile partner and DLP political defector in his column ‘The Way It Is ‘ on February 10, 1991.” Dr Frank Alleyne has the amazing ability to make the most absurd statements with unabashed assertiveness and pugnacious pomposity.
    “According to a recent report in another section of the press, he has asserted that last year’s decline in the output of the furniture and garment industries had nothing to do with taxation and the credit squeeze.
    “…Dr Alleyne’s submission should be interpreted as seeking to absolve Government for the blame for the recession in the economy and as paving the way for higher taxation and a continuation of the credit squeeze. IN OTHER WORDS, IT CAN BE REGARDED AS AN EXERCISE IN CHEAP POLITICS. However, the problem with cheap politics is that it eventually falls victim to the truth.”
    Unfortunately, 22 years hence the modus operandi remains the same.
    See why we are in deep potter.


  15. There is a senior officer who is non-Barbadian and is very closely connected with the CEO of the UWI, Cave Hill Campus.  She has been hired to keep the CEO informed of all the happenings on the Campus and since the budget, she has been charged by the CEO to mobilise the students and ensure they are organised in their attempts to put pressure on the Government.  

    This non-national of East Indian desent has been marketing the University through the use of “market vendor” for paid advertisements, and they say University has no money.

    She has no choice but to do the CEO’s bidding, but non nationals have been known deported for meddling into the affairs of Government.

    All her efforts, however, are not getting the expected returns because the “town hall” did not get the expected response from the students.  But instead the full house in LT1 of the Roy Marshall turned into a political meeting with a sea of red.

    We await the next move by this non-national, who has to wait for the CEO to advise.  By the way, the CEO left Bim on a paid first class ticket the same day as the “town hall” and returned the next day. I say no more, his cost to taxpayers for his FIRST CLASS AIRLINE TRAVEL UP TO APRIL IS A WHOPPING IN EXCESS OF $ 300,000.00 FOR ALL TRAVEL IN FIRST CLASS.

    While he is using the students as pawns in his game to maintain his extravagant lifestyle and his reckless spending he too needs to submit to our some belt tightening as his runaway University Wild Spending will
    Be Reined in.


  16. Postal workers Salary
    cut by 10%-15%
    sudden so
    Govt administrators doing nonsense
    Is this the way to treat your workers
    who next ?
    ———————————
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaagga Pon Top !!!!


  17. GOV’T getting nasty
    dirty and slimy
    snakes/in de grass
    snakes in dey
    steal in dey
    ignorance in dey
    assholes in dey


  18. Barbados is a very resilient country. Have no fear we will get over these hurdles in the road.

    Just remember that the Political Party which created the modern Barbados is in charge.

    The Democratic Labour Party will make everything right.

    Relax people!!!!!


  19. David
    Do Barbadians (particularly the salaried middle class) understand the financial threat that is about to befall them? Those Barbadians that have scrimped and saved and so managed to acquire a home and maybe a car but are living from paycheck to paycheck will be deemed to be too well off for benefits (education, health, housing etc) even though they pay most of the taxes. They will be told that they must pay at the counter. Those who are deemed poor will be the ones getting the “free” benefits. Overtime the “middle class” is decimated, ironically the poorer class is made poorer with an even more entrenched mendicant attitude. Meanwhile the rich laugh all the way to the bank as Government money flows to them for services they provide. This is privatization (sometimes called outsourcing) of the most perverse and corruption prone form. For example Barbadians are being taxed to pay a private entity for solid waste management. Another example is a private firm being given state land and import duty tax concessions to build houses which end up more costly than other similar sized houses built without the benefits of cheap land and duty free concessions. I expect that shortly the radiological and pathology services will be outsourced.


  20. The article reported Inniss as saying the quantum of the tax was not in question, just the %. Let us wait to see how long the MoF takes to clarify.

    but David -wouldn’t the two be linked?

    according to yesterday’s news-‘ 0.7 PER CENT TAX AN ERROR, SAYS INNISS’ . ” what is printed in the document, i believe is an error,” he said.
    never heard such wishy-washy nonsense on such a regular basis emanating from government spokesmen in all my life. they ought to be thankful that their supporters vote for an institution and not them.
    the attempt to correct would only be palatable if the tax, quantum or percentage is removed or reduced which would still impact on prior budget calculations.


  21. It is a pity that people can gloat and rejoice
    at UWI students as if they are not citizens
    of this country.
    just to justify this wretched GOVT
    ——————————–
    Hector you are A DOG !!!

    ———————————–
    Yaaaaaaaaaaagga —


    • @balance

      Yes the two should correlate but typo/errors have been known to occur. Interesting that when Senator McClean called in to the talk show last week she mentioned .07 did she not?

      @Ping Ping

      Yes they are aware insofar as what observation tells them BUT we have a generation of Barbadians who have been conditioned on a consumption lifestyle. The reality is made harder to comprehend and internalize given the divisive political landscape which is a consequence of the adversarial Westminster system we have come to know and love.

      And yes it is a zero sum game. buckle up!


  22. @ David

    I am sorry to say, but you have bought into this ‘cut syndrome’ without ‘thinking policy’ that the government has taken, but I may be wrong. David, I have said ad infinitum that there was no need to apply the measures that the MoF used to reel in the UWI. One has to be innovative, and especially in a small developing economy. How about supporting the quest and transitioning of the UWI into research-oriented activities that would attract many more foreign students and related activities such as conferences? How about creating devices that work as incentives on the one hand, and are punitive on the other hand in order to eliminate wastage and extra costs? The MoF has demonstrated, if nothing else, his inability to be an economist of any favourable repute; perhaps, he should fit back into international trade if he has not now compromised his credibility in that arena.
    One does not get to a last resort without attempting intermediary actions, and certainly with something as radical as asking all students to pay their tuition fees at UWI regardless of Campus, is such an overhaul that it would demand public discussion before seeking to push that policy on the people. The MoF and the DLP Cabinet have both failed Barbados miserably. It is not about cutting social goods such as health and education, it is about eliminating wastage, maintaining unmerited social entitlements, ridding Barbados of the constituency councils as currently set-up; and most of all stimulating the domestic economy whilst doing more to attract foreign investment. One answer — reduce some of those taxes that have ran the private sector to the ground and forced consumers to wince in pain. More can be done without destroying the social fabric that made Barbados what it has come to be regionally and internationally.
    The Destructive Lazy Party (DLP) has to revert to its moorings of social democracy and put people first instead of the greed and untruths that are being pushed.


  23. Yes the two should correlate but typo/errors have been known to occur. Interesting that when Senator McClean called in to the talk show last week she mentioned .07 did she not?

    I do not listen to the talk shows since I was introduced to BU and unfortunately I would not pay much attention to what MISS MACLEAN has to say since i believe she is clearly out of her depth.


  24. “generation of Barbadians who have been conditioned on a consumption lifestyle”

    What do these words mean? People work for which they receive money. What are they supposed to do with the money? Even if you say invest it, the investment still depends on someone consuming some product or service. If one is saying that money which would have been spent on say education and health was spent on other things i would draw to attention as Simple Simon has remarked, that we have been paying lots of taxes to provide these services. If what was collected from Barbadians has not been enough and the country has been borrowing to support our social services and much else then I am yet to be shown how the present program assists in the fundamental issue of the country earning more money.


    • @Ping Pong

      Yes Barbadians are taxed higher than others but you have to factor that there has been a seismic shift in the external landscape. Logically therefore WE have to adjust.

      @George

      Does government sit at the table when UWI objectives are being decided? Or is it only about footing the cost? If government is paying does it have the right to question quality of output? How do we define output given national objectives.


  25. I can assure you that the government is re[resented in the decision making process. There was a time that the students were not; but all that has changed and the government does sit on the relevant boards and council.


    • @George

      Therefore it would be useful to understand if there was buyin to Sir Hilary’s vison by successive governments. There is a lot of managing and political gymnastics which WE the public have now become intolerant.


  26. @balance | August 27, 2013 at 9:15 AM |
    “The article reported Inniss as saying the quantum of the tax was not in question, just the %. Let us wait to see how long the MoF takes to clarify.”

    But balance the above statement does not make sense. Do you wish to clarify?
    As it stands (on the face of it) there is total internal contradiction in the assertion by the Minister Inniss who fancies himself as the next PM of Barbados.

    The question is how can the “Quantum (Amount) not be in question if the Percentage (%) variable is in question? Any change in the % variable will automatically change the amount of the “Municipal Tax” payable on a fixed site value.
    Let us look at a property with a site value of say $100,000.00 which would attract varying amounts (quanta) of tax payable if the rate of tax varies from 7% to 0.07% to 0.007% or $7,000.00 to $700.00 to $70.00. A decimal point (or 0.0% increase LOL!!) can mean the difference between payment and default by a taxpayer on a fixed income but fast eroding purchasing power.

    What the minister should have made clear was that the principle or policy implementation was not in question only the mechanics regarding its calculation.

    If the rationale behind the Municipal Tax is to help defer the cost of collection and disposal of household waste how would the canon of equity be served where people living in government-provided units are not responsible for the payment of land-tax bills? Would the cost be passed on to the occupiers like those in private rented units in the form of higher rents? What about plots of land awaiting construction of houses unless they are being kept in a most overgrown state and used as a dump by the neighbours?


  27. Here are my suggestions to the revised method that should be used at the UWI.
    1)The academic qualification standard of the new students needs to be raised.
    2)Students should be given no more than one extra year to complete a
    degree, any extra will mean full payment by the student.
    3) Free tuition should be for ne degree only, any other to be paid by the
    student.
    4) The academic qualification of Island Scholarships needs to be upgraded
    5) Those students gaining such should be bonded for a period of time
    or the scholarship becomes null and void and full payment to be made.
    6) The parents/guardians who are wealthy enough to pay for their
    students tuition
    7) A method to be used to determine the level of assistance need to
    less fortunate students.
    8) Free education should only be given to degree courses that are needed in the country
    These are some of my suggestions to solve the madness that is now prevailing with the university education in Barbados, Remember this is the brain child of the late Excel The Rt Hon E W Barrow and it is a shame that his own party is about to whip out , destroy that foundation to which most if not all the sitting M.P’s have benefitted from. I guess at this stage they are wealthy enough to take care of their offspring, so they are willing to pull the carpet from under the less fortunate. Mr. Barrow must be very upset where-ever he is. ,


  28. Let us examine the waste to energy proposal. Such programs depend on a constant or increasing stream of waste. So the Government is actually hoping that Barbados continues to generate the same level of waste or more. Where is this waste coming from if not as result of consumption? However we are in a recession which appears to be deepening. Is it likely that more waste will be generated in such a period?

    The solid waste recycling program is obviously not self sustaining. The Government owes Williams some $80 million. So in order to pay off that debt every property owner has been taxed. Does this solve the problem of reducing waste? Now that I am taxed more there is no incentive to reduce waste because whether I produce one bag of garbage a week or ten I still have to pay the same amount. Notably my neighbor who is a NHC tenant pays nothing but may actually be producing more waste.


  29. @ June Boy
    I know that everyone has an opinion and many of us want to be heard. Please, try to become informed before setting out 8 points that are misleading in several ways inclusive of the fact that some of the very measures are actually in place. Also please, do you know why persons at any level (undergraduate or postgraduate) will stay longer than usual? What is the percentage? Does the institution not inform the students?
    I urge you to get the facts before coming to definitive positions; you may come to the realisation that you are being fed a story to cover up other major weaknesses that are strictly owned by the government. In other words, the MoF and the Stuart Cabinet may be telling you what may move you emotionally rather than what is accurate and reflects the true relationship between the Government of Barbados and the University of the West indies.


  30. @ Ping Pong
    Man Chill…you pouring good wine into brass bowls…
    Your logic and reasoning are much too advanced to be understood by most. We prefer to wait 10 years and then acknowledge that you had a serious point.

    @ David
    Hillary trick the foolish politicians ’bout here for years. He realize that each student is worth about $100,000 from the government – and even more if they are dumpsey (since they don’t even bother to go to class).
    He therefore brought them in in droves (including those who can barely pass air…far less exams) and spent the free money on his grand erections…..
    This went on til the money run out…

    This should have been obvious YEARS AGO. …..but, just like the point Ping Pong is making now, we play we can’t think ahead…..

    Steupssss….


    • @Ping Pong

      You raise interesting angles to the debate. Yes consumption is important and there are ramifications to decisions being made. The flip side is that a prerequisite of good education is that those who have benefited must be able to manage/lead our space in a wholesome way.


  31. Hillary trick the foolish politicians ’bout here for years. He realize that each student is worth about $100,000 from the government – and even more if they are dumpsey ……..

    ****** NOT true !
    a lie
    no evidence to support it


  32. How much did it cost UWI to build a cricket field with flood lights, a FIFA quality football pitch and the six lane running track? Juxtapose this with the fact that 70% of the students are female and many are part time and as such few play cricket or football or are involved in athletics and a six lane running is useless for even inter school sports.

    Was it good economic sense to build a faculty of medicine at Cave Hill when there is capacity at Mona and St Augustine? One of the teaching dummies (I am not being insulting or pejorative) used by students cost almost $1 million! Why have a UWI school of business offering a MBA at higher cost than the online universities like Surrey, Liverpool etc)?

    I admit that I am not very knowledgeable about Gov’t financing etc but like gravity some things cannot be ignored.

    Maybe the Government should only buy a limited number of student places at UWI in accordance with predetermined brainpower needs. Significantly expand the polytechnic to provide training of Barbadians in really useful and needed skills in manufacturing, alternative energy technology, construction, mechanical and electrical system installation and maintenance, agriculture and food production, tourism and travel services, medical related services like pharmacy, x-ray, lab testing etc, IT and data processing and web related activities, accounting and financial services and entertainment.

    Make every attempt to ensure that every graduate of secondary school has a certificate in Maths, English, a social science, a natural science and a foreign language. Build another Community College and abolish the sixth forms. Make sure that post-16 year education is meaningful and focused to career development.

    In my vision, UWI should be very much smaller in terms of student numbers and be a research focused institution. The polytechnic should be much larger in size and focused on skill development.


  33. @Ping Pong | August 27, 2013 at 12:14 PM |
    “In my vision, UWI should be very much smaller in terms of student numbers and be a research focused institution. The polytechnic should be much larger in size and focused on skill development.”

    Your vision is full of light.
    Your proposed revamping of tertiary education and training to make the BCC and Polytechnic greater players in the economic sustainability and development of the country is most commendable.

    However, the question is whether it is too late to save the Cave Hill Campus from a major restructuring leading to its possible closure as a full fledge Campus.
    Given the large fixed costs on which the Cave Hill campus currently operates it almost impossible to see how it can survive in a new dispensation requiring significant reduction in student intake, abolishing of many irrelevant programmes and curricula and dismantling of its high cost of maintenance sporting facilities.

    As it stands right now the Cave Hill campus faces a very bleak and uncertain future.
    A future in which the major financial backer is fiscally broke and a university education
    is being seen more and more as a luxury by the international lending agencies and also by the local elite who can afford to pay for their 1 or 2 children to study abroad.


  34. Fair Play
    **In my book a ‘couple’is two.You went on to mention 11 points.Idyut!
    **In 1975 Frank in a lecture told a class’if you want to waste your time,you can study National Accounting.Lo and behold the first question in the paper was on NA and it was compulsory AND it carried 45 marks.Idyut!
    **In the lead up to the 2008 election,Sir Frank said on radio that Owen Arthur was the one person to have to successfully to manage the economy.
    **Sir Frank and Sir Courtenay are the 2 biggest fence sitters I read in the newspaper.
    **The UWI and the QEH are not the places to cut as much as the EMOLUMENTS of the Governor General and Government House,the Prime Minister and Ilaro Court,all the fat pensions they get(the GG is a retired judge and getting a big pension already)including OSA, Sandy and Mara,all the BIG BELLY MINISTERS and their big salaries,allowances,big rides,first class travel,first class hotel accomodation,Permanent Secretaries and their whopping salaries and facilities,their big pensions..and I can go on to the free bus rides,community councils,free camps,freeness this and that,in other words cut out all the recurring expenses which are the reasons for our high debt ratio to GDP,and which high expenses do nothing to bring in new sources of income.


  35. @balance | August 27, 2013 at 9:15 AM |
    “The article reported Inniss as saying the quantum of the tax was not in question, just the %. Let us wait to see how long the MoF takes to clarify.”

    MILLER THAT IS NOT MY COMMENT; IT WAS DAVID’S RESPONSE AT 8.05 TO A COMENT I MADE EARLIER AT 7.27.


  36. The question is how can the “Quantum (Amount) not be in question if the Percentage (%) variable is in question? Any change in the % variable will automatically change the amount of the “Municipal Tax” payable on a fixed site value
    I AGREE WITH YOU SIR. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY WITHOUT SUCCESS BUT LEARNED MAN THAT YOU ARE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE MORE EXPLANATORY. THANK YOU.


  37. All the ideas emanating from ping pong and others are commendable and worthy of merit but the issue in my view is not whether something should be done about government’s cost to the university but the manner in which it was done seemingly devoid of taking all the factors into account before making the decision. Certainly, rather than misleading the country last year into believing that there was nothing to worry about in this regard, the PRIME MINISTER could have prepared the wicket by informing that his government was in the process of looking at plans to reduce govt’s debt to the university and students in the very near future might very well have to pay their way or share the costs. Such a statesmanlike position would have given parents and graduates time to put appropriate measures in place to deal with this thief in the night devastating decision. Forward looking thinkers would realise that someday soon, something had to give but it is the thoughtlessness and brutality in execution which have caught many with their pants down that in my view is worthy of condemnation.


  38. @ Balance
    Good point but I am yet not convinced that Stuart has a vision for Barbados and where he wants us to be in say 15-20 years.I do not have that confidence in his cabinet.I would posit also that its time we trimmed the number of Ministers and ministries.A small economy like Barbados should have no more than 10 ministries and cut out all these overlapping embassies and overseas missions and have a shared relationship with some of the other Caribbean countries.This job for the boys is counter productive and look where it has got us..where we are afraid to go to the QEH and are worried that investment in education is no longer worth the effort less expensive Barbados administrations got along on and still paid their way.Stuart has no vision for Barbados otherwise he would not allow number crunchers to determine his fate,now weighed in the balance and found wanting.


    • @ balance

      Political parties are in the business of winning elections.

      Educated Barbadians would not have bought into the lies.


  39. David | August 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM |
    @Ping Pong et al

    Keep your ideas coming they are being read by the policy makers.

    CAN THE POLICY MAKERS CEREBRATE MEANFULLY?
    CAN THE POLICY MAKERS COMPREHEND OR ENGAGE IN CREATIVE THINKING?


    • @GP

      John Citizens must continue to bombard their ear drums with ideas and yes we must do all the other things which John Citizens are required in a democratic system.

      On 27 August 2013 22:03, Barbados Underground


  40. In his column in today’s Nation Newspaper, Tuesday, August 27, 2013, Dr Tennyson Joseph is reported as writing that St. Lucia’s Nobel Laureate, the late Dr Arthur Lewis, is the most accomplished and decorated economist that the Caribbean region has ever produced.

    While this may be true, the fact still remains that the discipline of economics is and has been for a long time the most discredited, most vile, and most unscientific of all the academic social studies social disciplines found anywhere in Barbados and beyond.

    Therefore, Dr Joseph’s bid – in his” All Ah We Is One” column – to seperate Dr Lewis from “the current generation of economists who pretend to occupy his place both as regional academics and economic decision makers” is a bid disappointing and disconcerting.

    This recognition by us of a failure to live up to what is somewhat expected of him comes based on the point of view that Joseph should have known that economics has long – since its founding in the 18th Century in Europe been – “the inverted political ideology, philosophy and psychology of the Caucasian man, and which because they are exclusively non-racial, non-class, non-sexual, non-religious, non-historical in their essential characters, have (thus) been clearly used to help give rise to specific sets of repeated changes in the form of material before hand in whatever commercial industrial non-governmental settings, and wherefore those material reproductions are such that millions and millions of people across the world must come by them, or must have access to them, by their own means in order to live in this social world and (with) this compulsion coming through nothing but this said ideology, philosophy and psychology of the Caucasian man ( and becoming more as time goes by the Caucasian woman), and by extension through the real political actions of this man that are consistent with them.” (PDC)

    Therefore, he should have known that economics, et al, fosters local oligarchic rule and oppression of the vast majorities in certain societies, the ungodly concentration of wealth remunerations in the hands of small minorities in them, and vicious exploitative/dependency core/peripheral regional international relationships and configurations.

    Dr. Joseph should also have realized that no matter what the mode of production and distribution and whether it takes place under a capitalist political system, a socialist political system, or a mixed capitalist/socialist system, etc, that economics and western finance and their political bases are essentially antithetical contradictory inimical to such systems and their proper growth and development.

    Look what has happened with the political material financial bankruptcy of the types of socialist systems in the Soviet Union, Cuba – and which still would have had economics and western finance and their political bases and agencies at their centers. And still look too at the political financial bankruptcy of the types of capitalist systems in Europe and the US – and see the common malignancy of the cancer of economics and western finance and their political instrumentations capsules having wrecked/ that are wrecking their social bodies.

    So, whatever the models of political systems wheresoever, economics and western finance and their political thrusts and agencies are going to primarily eventually destroy them in furtherance/in the maintenance of oligarchic dominance, of vast wealth remuneration disparities among the major social classes located within these particular capitalist/socialist/mixed dominated societies, and in any other types of social political systems that will substantially recklessly carelessly accommodate them.

    No wonder many globalists internationalists of the Bilderburg/the Trilateral Commission/the Council of Foreign Relations types expound relentless scores upon scores of economic and western financial theories!!

    Anyhow to get back to the main thrust of this post, this political studies lecturer may have known that Lewis’ most internationally recognized work was/is in the field of so-called developmental economics in the 1950s and came with his Industrialization by Invitation model, which itself is/was/has been replete with many of those old intellectually bankrupt classical economic imperialist propositions, principles and assumptions intact.

    Too, that Joseph has formed and given impressions that Lewis propagated and adumbrated serious progressive ideologies philosophies psychologies for the further development of this English-speaking Caribbean region is a serious joke, considering that many of those same ideologies, philosophical and psychological expositions ruminations of Lewis were about fostering the region’s already immature underdeveloped models of existence into greater and more risky involvement in the substantially failed political economic financial models of development of the many western societies, whilst at the same time his ( Lewis) not challenging the ruling local regional oligarchic material financial orders that have essentially been in tact for too long and that are responsible for much of that political material financial cultural national identity crises, mayhem, degradation and dedevelopment that are happening at a fast rate and on an extensive scale in this region.

    The truth is that there are no material differences – ideologically philosophically psychologically politically materially financally – between what Lewis stood for, as a so-called economist, and what the present generations of so-called economists stand for. The meagre differences between them mainly existed in extent of style of thinking and extent of methodological and political emphases.

    The fact is that it is primarily economics/western finance and economists and managers of financial institutions adhering to and imposing deceitfully the tenets of western finance, and too governments of this region, that have long been stupidly following many of their advisories and recommendations and putting these into policy and legislative frameworks for the broad masses and middle classes of the region to obey , that are altogether substantially responsible for, and that are indeed the substantial causes of these massive dedevelopments collapses ruins that are taking place in various social material financial sectors of this English-speaking region.

    So, down with economics, so-called economists, western finance and the managers of western finance in Barbados.

    PDC


  41. Indeed, the last half of Mr Sherwin Walter’s contribution captioned: Free education – the other obeah – in his ‘Off Centre’ column in the same today’s Daily Nation newspaper, Tuesday, August 27, 2013, should make for instructive sensible reading for many people in Barbados, in respect of this UWI tuition fee issue.

    It could hardly have been written any better.

    PDC


  42. @ balance | August 27, 2013 at 3:16 PM |
    “Certainly, rather than misleading the country last year into believing that there was nothing to worry about in this regard, the PRIME MINISTER could have prepared the wicket by informing that his government was in the process of looking at plans to reduce govt’s debt to the university and students in the very near future might very well have to pay their way or share the costs.”

    We totally agree with you. That is the beef we have with the man who many on this blog dubbed as “Mr. Integrity”.
    He was fully cognizant of the financial straight jacket his government was in at the time with fiscal difficulties projected to worsen in the following months all of which led to the huge indebtedness to the UWI. He was also fully seized of the reports with the recommendations for a revised funding model in which students were expected to pay a greater share towards the financing of their university education based on a mix of funding options incorporating both the benefit principle and an ‘ability to pay’ arrangement where necessary.

    The same thing applies to the commitment made by Stuart to the CLICO policyholders.
    There is absolutely no way can the policyholders get back their investments from the Barbados Treasury given the current fiscal straits this government created for itself.
    The only way out of this CLICO dead-end is to compulsorily acquire all lands and properties like Sam Lord Castle held by CLICO Holdings and float a bond with the lands as collateral to back the issue.

    Balance, don’t be fooled by this Municipal tax. It will not be there to help with the cost of waste management but mere as another way to increase land taxes for the Consolidated Fund to help service the increasing debt.

    If this Municipal tax is to be geared towards the funding of waste management in keeping with the concept of a “Green Economy” for Barbados it would have been targeted at CONSUMPTION Not Home Ownership.
    The more you consume packaged goods and imported items the more you pay for the collection and disposal of the associated waste materials. As the tax stands there are no incentives for households to be keen on going green and adhere to the three basic R’s (reduce, reuse, recycle) of sustainable living. Why no mention of rebates to householders who want to manage their own waste in a more eco-friendly manner?
    Why not impose a tax on the many fast food establishments based on turnover which would be passed onto the consumers meeting the criteria of equity, efficiency and effectiveness of taxation.


  43. Hector | August 27, 2013 at 8:30 AM |
    With easy money from GOB coming to an end at UWI the anti government economists there are concerned. The foreigner Tennyson Joseph who writes an anti government column in the anti government Nation points out that cut backs to UWI will bring staff losses. This is the same Joseph and Ryan Straughan who agitated for cuts in government expenditure. Well theyve got what they wanted and should both be fired immediately to assist UWI’s money woes. Howard and George Belle should also receive pink slips.

    The above is a perfect example of why we are in the position we are in and why it will get worse. A serious debate about a key plank of our social and economic development is being reduced to nationality and personalised attacks. What is even more saddening is that the post has received the most votes on the entire thread. The person posting the comment should however be reminded that Mara Thompson MP and Deputy Speaker of the House is also a ‘foreigner’ and collecting tax payers money for doing even less than the ‘foreigners’ on the hill. These types of comments are indicative of the type of government (and supporters) we are dealing with in Barbados, and further solidify my belief that not only is this the worse, but also the most dishonest, vindictive, selfish, manipulative, untrustworthy, untruthful, immature,hypocritical and dangerous government ever in our history. Are we blind?


  44. Educated Barbadians would not have bought into the lies
    would you consider AC, CCC , AMUSED OR BUSHTEA UNEDUCATED. certainly not.


  45. The People’s Democratic Congress | August 27, 2013 at 6:35 PM |
    Dr Tennyson Joseph is reported as writing that St. Lucia’s Nobel Laureate, the late Dr Arthur Lewis, is the most accomplished and decorated economist that the Caribbean region has ever produced.

    This Joseph clown is showing his true insular colours he also routinely attacks the government and he is anti Bajan.
    One wonders if he would print the fact that Rihanna is a zillion times more known and followed than Lewis. In fact she is the most known and accomplished Caribbean person on the planet. That’s why I liked Tom Adams he welcomed guests to the island but if you stepped out of line and publicly bad mouthed Barbados he deported you. It was that simple. Ask Ralph Gonzalves if you doubt me.


  46. Balance, don’t be fooled by this Municipal tax.
    far from it, miller I am not that foolish.; but it is high time the inept and slothful opposition arise from their slumber and earn their keep by doing the business they are handsomely paid to do.


  47. In general whether educated or not Bajan are not fools and rejected the gimmicks and quick fix approached by the BLP campaign, the crux of the DLP campaigin was the opposite that is why when the BLP is being crtical of the UWI fee proposal .those who supported the DLP are having a much easier time of acceptance as we were prepared ahead of time that some scarifice would have to be made, Unfortunately for THe BLP) supporters they still and do belive that there is no “golbal recession” and it is a figment of The DLP imagination and there are easy answers to fixing the economy.


  48. @ Enuff | August 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM |

    Couldn’t agree with you more! And you should also notice not one word of condemnation from the DLP apologists on the blog.
    But that is the modus operandi of the Destructive Lying Party and its supporters like CCC and ac. A party prepared to destroy everything (including regional integration especially with the OECS) its founding fathers believed in and worked tirelessly to see their philosophical tree bear fruit.

    The treatment of the Guyanese was a most shockingly disappointed occurrence that would come back to plague this once proud country. Referring to people as “Foreigners” who are of the same racial background from St. Vincent, St. Lucia and the other neigbouring islands that are no further away than one hour drive on any highway in USA or Europe is typical of the xenophobic small-minded supporters of that currently stupidly ignorant party.

    These are the same neighbours that one day coming soon black Bajans who have nowhere to run must turn to in order to stave off starvation.

    Yes stupid black Bajans continue with your hate-filled arrogance and supercilious attitude towards your so-called ‘lesser educated and not so well-off’ neighbours from what you refer to as the “Low Islands”.
    But just remember the saying “today for me and tomorrow for you” as you take stock of that refrain: All you Bajans have is sea water and sand; so when the tourists stop coming crapaud smoke your pipe and it is to these same small Islanders whom you now look down on that you would have to turn to for food to survive.


  49. George brathwaite
    I do know what I’m talking about, there are many students, especially male, who have been at the UWI for about ten years; this includes a particular government minister who spent about eight years there before he qualified.
    Many students spend more time in the students’ guild than in the class room. We have students that are playing cricket for the campus f0r over six years. Additionally too many island scholars don’t return to the island and even if there is some measures are in placed, it is not implemented. The problem with this country is that too much wrongdoings are covered up by both political parties just because it benefits their class. Both parties are responsible for the state of the UWI but they both have a good reason why they are doing nothing about it. The quality of our island scholars is way below what it used to be, I heard MAM say once that they are many island scholars who can’t construct a proper sentence, or even add without the computer. Let us face the facts and deal with the problem in a patriotic manner..


  50. @ ac | August 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM |
    “..those who supported the DLP are having a much easier time of acceptance as we were prepared ahead of time that some scarifice would have to be made”

    We trust you are also prepared for the massive layoffs from the public sector and the planned programme of privatization. Or do you still believe the anti-layoffs and anti privatization ads including the old lady on the bus are for real?


  51. @ socialist

    You are hilarious, comparing Rihanna to a Nobel Laureate? You recognise a Nobel prize is not quite the same a grammy or having the most followers on twitter right? At this rate you will have her advising the MoF as she seems to be running the tourism Ministry already. I don’t know Rihanna personally but I reckon she’d rather just be a pop star and not a political tool.

    I was amused to listen to today’s brass tacks and hear, right after it finished, job announcements from the GIS. Teaching jobs that both required a university degree and announcement for CXC and CSEC courses at UWI through the open university. How ironic!

    I don’t know why you are so hot and bothered about St Lucians ‘attacking our government’ either. One would think we didn’t have a Lucian in the safest seat in Bim who is regularly referred to as a Queen.

    At the rate we are going most of the civil service jobs will need to be filled by ‘foreigners’ anyway when dumb bajans realise that just because they don’t have degrees employers (including the same government) are not change their job requirements. They will just hire regional (and external people if necessary) instead as there will be less locals to choose from and regional people can work here without a permit.

    At that point they won’t be any ‘our government’ so you could as well get used to it.


    • @ac

      If you were not so politically blind commonsense would alert you that the electorate rejected both parties.

      On 28 August 2013 03:40, Barbados Underground


  52. “Frank Alleyne’s interview on the People’s Business last night was spot-on. As usual, he was cogent, rational, reasonable” – it took me two days to get pass that part. i could not stop laugh. i’m sorry but i can’t see that man doing anything close to that in the last 20 years. he is one of the reasons we are in this mess but whatever rock ya boat.

    @David while i do agree with you that ac is blind, deaf and dumb as a door nob, i have to disagree with you on that comment about the electorate. 60% of the same electorate voted and the DLP won. for it to be a rejection you would have to tell me that 60% of the same electorate did not vote.

    but the people vote “Dem now, Dems again” that is a fact not a rejection.


    • Here is the BU burning question of the day:

      Dr. James (CEO of the QEH) is on record that the budget required to run the hospital is 200 million.

      It was allocated 159 million this budget period which has created all kinds of issues for management.

      Now we are told the budget has been further cut by 35 million which leaves about 115+ million.

      We are also told that the QEH owes about 59 million to suppliers (does this include VAT?)

      We are also told that the wages bill is 119 million.

      We should not make sport about our health.

      The public deserves an explanation.

      In Minister Jones’ defense at least he is out there trying to defend decisions in education, so far not one damn word from James Boyce.

      No wonder we are rapidly approach a crisis of confidence.


  53. Something is bothering me: a university is about education. Since the global crisis has UWI held an open conference to discuss the matter, with its leading economists and invited guests leading the discussions?


  54. “I do know what I’m talking about, there are many students, especially male, who have been at the UWI for about ten years; this includes a particular government minister who spent about eight years there before he qualified.”

    More folly!! What does many mean in REAL NUMBERS? How long ago this Minister qualified? Is his long tenure a reflection of what currently obtains at UWI? Does playing dominoes in the Guild automatically mean you are wasting time?


    • It has been stated (repeatedly) that the number of these repeat persons do not represent a significant number.

      On 28 August 2013 09:50, Barbados Underground


  55. What is so hardv to UNDERSTAND that the QEH has significant financial problems how much further does the govt have to EXPLAIN such oproblem. What the public need to do is see that as a Warning that sometime in the near furture all the free goodies that use to be given awawy at taxpayers expenses would no longer be an afforadable privilege and take heed and start breaking for themselves by purchasing personnal health insurance.


    • @ac

      Do you ever read with goo comprehension?

      BU has asked for Minister Boyce to explain how on the proposed budget of 150 plus and with wages almost the same amount how is the QEH expect to manage? According to dr. chase the QEH had to cancel blood testing last week. We the people have a right to ask the servants of the people to explain ok?


  56. Ad ac read what u said. then your question should be a nswered also from a publuc point of view as it also relates to ones personnal health which is ones responsibilty .M.r. boyce i am assuming would say that cuts would not interfer or interact with critical care of an individual .however i am of the assumption that BU is seeking answers from Boyce similar to what the BLP yardfowls have already suggested .The Fact is that CUTS are inevitable and the public is being told.


  57. @Devin
    Ralph Gonsalves was one of the most liked lecturers at UWI,CH.He was very popular not because of his marxist views but because of his scholarship.He was very approachable,helpful and brim full of ideas and would always challenge his students to do more and think’outside de box’.Above all he shared his enthusiasm for reading and encouraged his students to read and read and read if you want to lead a purposeful life.Tom had some other issue with Ralph and it was nothing to do with bad mouthing Barbados.In any case as Dale Carnegie suggests Ralph made the best of that experience and look where he is today!
    Personally,I would welcome every whomever will scholar to come and settle in Barbados and bring their families too.We would be a better place to live and our human capital would flourish.The politician is ever fearful of the scholar especially the Historian,the Novelist,and the Political Scientist and the Economist.Long may it remain thus.


  58. @ ac | August 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM |
    “What the public need to do is see that as a Warning that sometime in the near furture all the free goodies that use to be given awawy at taxpayers expenses would no longer be an afforadable privilege and take heed and start breaking for themselves by purchasing personnal health insurance.”

    Does that include free bus rides for pensioners? The poor old lady from the bus ad must be having kittens at her age. How could you turn around and treat the poor and vulnerable so, ac?
    Are we detecting a massive change in your position on privatization? You mean you are even going to privatize the health care system? What do you mean by “start breaking for themselves by purchasing personal health insurance”.

    Are you sure OSA has not taken over your thought processes? You sound so “BLPish” these day, as if reading from their manifesto, right ac?


  59. OH miller get off that privatization soap box .i have heard enuff. when it comes to personnal responsibilty it is responsible of govt to guide and nuture its citizenry away from dependancy. notthat the less poor and vulnerable would be forgotten advocating that those who are in position of helping themselves make an effort ever so small for helping themselves which takes away some of the burden from govt.it is about personnal responsibilty and not about govt selling all and sundry to the highest bidder


  60. Oh..man David are u sure u want to know. However it would be almost impossible to give a truthful and detail account of where each and everycut would be. However iam assuming most would be in areas to do with overtime and excessive inventory in supplies where the patient can purchased themselves. i belive that a quick overview cannot tell where all cuts would be necessary and Mr. Boyce is mindful an Would be less in forthcoming and truthful regarding cuts atpresen if more were to be necessary going forward


  61. No insulin at the QEH in a country where half the population is diabetic. Wuhloss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Mails will not be delivered soon. Oh Lord!!!!!!!!!


    • Not sure who heard the interviews statements from the top interns working at the QEH this evening on VOB, it was sad to listen to a group of young doctors who we have invested $500,000 plus and we are unable to place them n the system. Oh ow we have got our planning all wrong. They will now look to disappear overseas e cause there is no avenue in Barbados to finish the journey started five or six years ago.


  62. @David

    Naffin wrong with disappearing overseas, Barbados has always been an exporter of unskilled, skilled and professional labour.


    • Yes enuff but that was at a time when the overseas market was favorable. The main point being made though is that there is no plan.


  63. David

    So besides the taxpayer paying for them to become qualified doctors they all HAVE to find them jobs too? If yes, where does the MADNESS stop cause if it don’t then the taxpayer going to have guarantee them permanent employers beside educating them and finding them jobs.

    Let the lazy brats get off their asses and their own work


  64. Why find jobs for them if the GOB does not need them? That’s how we got the bloated public sector in the first place remember?


    • Why agree to fund medicine given the economic cost?

      In fact why did Sir Hilary and the government (who has to pay ) not it around the table an PLAN?


  65. University has given us now queen bees but very few worker bees. Bajans forget how to work hard.


  66. University has given us nuff queen bees but very few worker bees. Bajans forget how to work hard.


  67. Barbados is fundamentally a very weak and unbalanced economy. We have to change and fast or we gine perish inthis lost decade.


  68. @ ac | August 28, 2013 at 12:57 PM |
    “… when it comes to personnal responsibilty it is responsible of govt to guide and nuture its citizenry away from dependancy.”

    So can we expect the termination (weaning off) of free bus rides, State-sponsored summer camps and football tournaments and an abolishing of the Constituency Councils aka pork barrel DLP controlled duplicating local government?

    Poor you and this privatization thing. It has come back to haunt you. So who do you think would be providing the same services the government is trying to back away from? The Salvation Army?

    We shall see whose soapbox you would be mounting when this DLP administration is forced in the coming months to “divest” itself of its full-scale ownership of the Air & Sea ports. Whom then do you think the government would be ‘guiding and nurturing away’ from dependency? The citizenry or the customers?

    Yes go ahead and cuss out the miller only to come along a few months later to sing from the same hymn sheet but different verse. You know, like the tuition fees for UWI students and even giving tax breaks for health insurance policies? What’s next you would agree to; a Health Lottery to help the poor QEH?


  69. @Cuthbert of England | August 28, 2013 at 7:26 PM “University has given us nuff queen bees but very few worker bees. Bajans forget how to work hard.”

    Dear Cuthbert: I would bet all the gold in Fort Knox that you have spent your whole life sucking on the bubby of government.

    Jackdonkey.


  70. @Enuff “Does playing dominoes in the Guild automatically mean you are wasting time?”

    YES.

    And wasting my tax money too.

    If I played dominoes at work my boss would fire my rass and rightly so too.


  71. @ac “start breaking for themselves by purchasing personal health insurance”.

    Dear ac: Do you understand that if you are 40 or 50 or 60 or 70 or 80 or 90 100 and have pre-existing conditions such hypertension, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, HIV, the the private insurance companies won’t sell you health insurance, and if they do sell it to you the premiums are so high that you can’t afford it buy anyway. And ac insurance or no insurance when you have your first stroke (and 3 old to middle age people have stroke in Barbados every single week) or heart attack you still need hospitalization. And ac these people have already spent a 20 to 50 years paying taxes and had been lead to believe by various governments that the government was putting down a little of the taxes for when the taxpayers got old and sick (as people always do) and needed medical care.

    Where the money gone ac?

    I hope that neither party did not spend the taxpayers money on buying first class trips overseas for their WAGS (wives and girlfriends)

    Because ac to tell the truth I don’t want ANY of my tax money to be used for buying glitter for WAGS.


  72. Can someone please explain why a cash-strapped government has found it necessary to send a much in demand police officer to interview a homeowner about a property damaged by the sea (an act of God)?
    Is this not an issue for the homeowner and the insurance company? Is this further evidence of how insurance companies in Barbados are piggy-backing the taxpayer?


  73. @ devin
    Are you aware that the same Dr Tennyson Joseph was rejected by the electorate IN ST LUCIA? Certainly his homeland St Lucia is the place where he should be exerting his political energy . Instead he chooses to turn his focus on attacking the Barbados Government at every opportunity . Maybe he is wishing that like Dr Gonzales he would be forced out of Barbados and return to St Lucia as a hero to relaunch his frustrated political career. His pronouncements do not single him out as an intellectual by any stroke of imagination. One wonders why the Nation should hire him to write the weekly column . Certainly they can do better .


  74. It is reprehensible that the Central Bank of Barbados does not have any online economic and financial statistics for 2011 and 2012.

    This is in fact a most disgusting situation at the Bank.

    It must be stated that up to a couple years ago, one could have physically gone into the Central Bank of Barbados on Spry Street, at given times over a pretty long duration, and could have got the latest copies of the economic and financial statistics (in book form) for the particular periods concerned, without getting any problems whatsoever.

    Now, for whatever reasons the bank discontinued that practice and asked individuals who otherwise would have wanted such booklets, to go on line to the Bank’s website and access the latest on such economic and financial statistics.

    Now, having given such an assurance some time ago, the Bank has been miserably failing to provide the latest economic and financial statistics for the many members of the public to access and digest, only providing economic and financial statistics up to 2010.

    What a disgraceful state of affairs!!

    The senior and junior technocrats at this now fast fading credibility challenged entity know the importance of having reasonably reliable up to date statistics of the type that the PDC is herein writing about, provided to the public of Barbados, so that some members of same public can, et al, use for assisting in sound national policy and decision making at various levels, for helping to bring about proper data and research reporting capability, and for helping to effect sound short and long term business and investment planning purposes.

    The Governor of the Bank knows this, yet this disgusting situation prevails.

    What is clear is that the Bank has been deliberately withholding certain types of information and statistics related to the performance of certain political economy financial variables in this country, especially in this period of sustained localized political economic depression in Barbados.

    Given that this is the way how the Bank has been grossly mismanaging these smaller affairs, one is tempted to ask the question: how is the Central Bank of Barbados really helping to manage the bigger affairs, like the political economy and services industry sectors of this country, other than to be helping run these same sectors into the ground??

    Indeed, some body must be held accountable for these and other wrong doings at this institution!!

    Now, again, clearly there must be a Commission of Inquiry into some of the operational affairs of the Central Bank of Barbados.

    PDC


  75. The paying of tuition fees at UWI has more serious implications other than paying for education. This is Barbados, we all know how things goes in Barbados, kisses go by favours as my mother use to say (Hope I am not misquoting her). I think that our main issue is that we need a paradigm shift as it relates on how we do things. When one scans the government or opposition benches one cannot find anyone with the radical and critical thinking qualities that we need for this time. In my estimation, when we needed radical thinking in the 60’s Errol Barrow stepped up. Then we had Tom Adams (like him or not history shows he was a visionary inter alia)…We now need another visionary to step forth and take us into the 21st century and I dare say we are sorely lacking in that area. At the core of this dearth is that most if not all of our politicians get into politics for “fatted calves”. There is no real vision or ideology about our country. So in difficult times they flounder as is happening now and herein lies most of our problems.

    I mentioned earlier about the far reaching implications about the payment of tuition fees. With one paragraph in the budget, we have widened the gap between the haves and have nots. We are about to introduce so many other social ills into our country that we may never be able to recover in our children’s lifetimes. Here in the Caribbean there are so many illustrations of when countries have this gulf between social groups how they end up with more murders than they are days in the year. Yet we are about to institute these measures that are not obviously well thought through. One just have to listen to our government ministers each day and one can sense that.

    Now according to our esteem Prime Minister, we are not living in Cou Cou land and bills must be paid and we all can agree to that but Mr. Prime Minister, we need leadership on this issue. There are a number of areas that can be cut and improved other than making our countrymen pay full tuition cost. And saying that the Student revolving loan fund is the answer is very narrow minded and shortsighted. WE all know how that will go. The ones who need the funding will not get it and the ones that can afford to pay will. So here are some suggestions in education that can be instituted with minimal effort:
    1) Let’s revamp the educational system to bring coherence and cohesiveness to the system. That is, matriculation agreements between BCC/SJPP and UWI. Therefore, allowing students who complete associate degrees to need only 2 years to complete their first degree.
    2) Students will have to acquire higher level qualifications for entry into UWI that is, CAPE, A’levels or associate degrees. If you want to gain entry into UWI without these requirements, you can pay and attend.
    3) Cap the amount of students that the government will pay for per year and that includes students in the medical faculty.
    4) Instruct UWI that they would need to have mechanisms in place for slackers and persons who are floundering in the institution.

    These are just a few suggestions that can reduce the amount of money we send to UWI but that would be a start. By the second year, we can revisit and refine the process. This is an ordinary citizen who didn’t go to UWI, that sat at his computer and made these suggestions. Can’t your team that boast of so many UWI graduates, come up with policies and programmes that consider we the people.


  76. How do those who oppose tuition fees propose to recoup some of that money? With a graduate tax? Two years’ national service? Or do they think they should get a free higher education, which entitles them to higher salaries and career opportunities, paid for by ordinary taxpawyerds and that’s it.
    Then when they join the brain drawn some other country benefits from Barbadian taxpayers. Is it fair that some US cities should have more Ethiopian qualified doctors than the whole of Ethiopia?

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