Submitted by Ckeckit-Out on BU’s General Election page (as a comment)
Note from Owen Arthur to Fruendel Stuart (sent via Hal Gollop)
David; I thought I should push my mout in your discussion with Miller of 1.35 pm today. There are a number of things about the NOTE that was reproduced in Barbados Today that is somewhat troubling.
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Only a portion of the note is given. The first portion is not shown.
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It is evident that the writer considered the first part of the letter shown “I sent a note to you by Hal Gollop etc.” as the most important part of the note and that he confirms that he would not get involved in the Eager 11 situation as he knew the problems involved in keeping a party together.
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It is also clear that the above discussion did not come out of the blue. There must have been some discussion between OSA and Freundel about the eager 11 which led to this note.
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The note was mainly about the eager 11 situation
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The note ends with “you can help me by taking Mottley”. It does not say I am giving you Mottley, especially since Mottley was not OSA’s to give. It says (let me repeat) “You can help me by TAKING;. To my mind that puts an entirely different complexion on the matter. It suggests to me that moves were afoot for Mottley, perhaps by Mottley, to go over to the DLP. Indeed that was rumoured on this blog around the time of the rift. So the note then becomes one where OSA might be saying I am not getting involved in your eager 11 affair as I told you through Hal Gollop and as a matter of fact you are free to TAKE Mottley as it is rumoured that you are considering.
If that is so. and I am almost certain it is, then the spin by FS [Prime Minister Stuart] is disingenuous at the best and shows a total lack of integrity at the worst. People of integrity do not publish notes themselves sent to them in confidence (something falling off a truck and published by someone else might be par for the political course but is unheard of for someone who promotes himself as being a paragon of virtue).
If FS wins the election on the back of ploys like this one and the privatisation volte face the Barbados electorate would deserve him. I still think he won’t as there are enough undecideds who can read him like a book.
FS would have cemented himself, in my books, as being equally as duplicitous as his former boss David Thompson and vying with him for being the worst Prime Minister that Barbados and the Caribbean has ever known.
The spin machine of the TTP’s of this world is alive and well.
@CIO
this posting will not divert people’s attention from that scroundrel owing.
Check it out
I think you have read this one from the bowler”s hand.
we theologians say, and it applies here IF YOU TAKE A TEXT OUT OF CONTEXT–YOU MAKE IT A PRETEXT.
fUMBLE HAS DONE THIS IN THIS CASE
IM NOT AN ARTHUR LOVER BECAUSE HE TREATED BADLY AS HE HAS DONE TO MANY OTHERS, BUT HE CLEARLY IS NOT AS DUMB AS STUART IS TRYING TO MAKE HIM OUT TO BE.
TO PROPERLY UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE NOTE, WE NEED TO FULL CONTEXT.
TO MIS- REPRESENT THE TRUTH IS TO LIE. FUMBLE CAN NOT BE TRUSTED
@Georgie Porgie
Then to take your comment to a logical place – why is Arthur mum on the note so far?
Barbadians are invited to a meeting tonight at the Bay street Esplanade tonight from 7pm to 11 59 pm. Some big names in Barbados we are told will have their names called. Names associated with plantation deeds.
@ac
There is enough here for discerning minds to ask questions. Can you remove your partisan beam and try it?
The following document is being circulated via email (blast)
http://bajan.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/st-peterdoc.pdf
hope that the pm finds the fbi report too.
Part of a note without a signature? Stupse if wunna believe this I feel sorry for ALL of you.
@ Checkit-Out | February 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM |
“People of integrity do not publish notes themselves sent to them in confidence (something falling off a truck and published by someone else might be par for the political course but is unheard of for someone who promotes himself as being a paragon of virtue).”
Well put, Sir!
People of Integrity do not have to seek constant validation from a fickle audience.
Integrity is a moral character that resides inside an individual and shines through like a constant beacon of light to guide people to follow your direction.
The light beam of Integrity will expose all those involved in transgressions of corruption lies, and deceit even if those perpetrating such are members of your Cabinet or party.
Integrity does not cover up wrongdoings and hypocrisy behind a veil of darkness for the sake of political expediency. If Freundel is a man of Integrity why is it not shining through to his other ministers like the lying Sinckliar, the porn king of bestiality Donville, The money launderer Michael and the kickback kid Lowedown?
Even his close pal Leroy the leper Parris would by now have changed his spots by doing a Saul to Damascus conversion to Paul by returning his ill-gotten gains to the CLICO policyholders while beseeching Mara to follow suit and ask for contrite forgiveness.
Freundel’s hypocritical position and public doublespeak on the issue of Privatization is indicative of the duplicitous nature of the man.
Freundel is just one big Fraud that needs to be morally undressed and exposed as a liar and fake.
“A pure hand needs no glove to cover it.” ~Nathaniel Hawthorne, The Scarlet Letter
“The measure of a man’s real character is what he would do if he knew he never would be found out.” ~Thomas Babington Macaulay
“Better keep yourself clean and bright; you are the window through which you must see the world.” ~George Bernard Shaw
chech this out! THe article is all speculative at best and the worst SPIN OF THE DAY at worsT!.
David; re. your question to GP; Perhaps Owen and FS are regular exchangers of notes. Perhaps Owen was trying to help him out and help himself at the same time. You might recall that there was some other stupid thing that FS said that Owen advised him to do. I don’t remeber the details. Perhaps one of the other posters might.
BTW, I didn’t realise that you were going to highlight this post. The spin you put on it is interesting. Hal Gollop is an enigma; Constant partner to Parris at the front row of DLP events; evidently in OSA’s confidence, seller out of the BSTU; FS’s bosom friend and confidant; His role in several matters should be put under severe scrutiny. Why was the note sent through him? Was he indeed brokering a deal between OSA and FS?
Very Interesting!!!!!
Tek dat TTP!
Stuart ‘not scared’ of Arthur
Added by bteditor on February 18, 2013.
dlpfreundelstuartatorangehillPrime Minister Freundel Stuart is not afraid of Barbados Labour Party Leader Owen Arthur.
Stuart made the statement last night in Eden Lodge as he told a modest gathering of supporters and other residents that Arthur had been trying to create fear in those around him.
Charging that the former Prime Minister had wasted many of the opportunities to push the country further, given that he had more resources at his disposal than the DLP Administration did now, Stuart said Arthur had squandered and wasted both the opportunities and the finances.
“And he is coming back. He is so devoid of shame that he comes back to the people of Barbados giving the impression that he has washed himself off … and he is now clean. Can’t happen. Wasted the resources of Barbados and wasted an opportunity to transform this country for all time.
“But you know why he could not get it done, because he
virtually blackmailed his own party into making him leader. So he did not come by leadership because of any talent, he came to leadership of the Barbados Labour Party by virtual blackmail, standing up in Parliament and saying that the party was not serving him well enough and he was going to leave and his party got afraid and gave him an opportunity to earn a few extra cents in his pocket. That is why he is so obsessed with the idea of getting money in yuh pocket, because he knew how he got it into his.”
The St. Michael South incumbent added: “You don’t want a leader of Barbados best known across the Caribbean for how well he can curse people. A leader who believes that since many people do not respect him, he has to make them as afraid of him as possible; so he uses fear as a weapon to get people to subject themselves to him. And a half-of-clown that we had in the Democratic Labour Party came with that same foolishness,
that Owen tell he if you want to be a good leader you got to make people frighten for yuh, but Owen Arthur and Clyde Mascoll put together can’t frighten anybody.
“That’s what you want. That is what people were saying in Barbados when Errol Barrow was leading it. This is the leader you want, not people who walk around riddled with insecurities and wanting you to genuflect … to them because you are afraid of them.
“That is what happened in the public service and that is what happened in the Barbados Labour Party — that this tin god overnight had a few cowards in there afraid of him, and he actually believed he could universalise those tactics and get people in the Democratic Labour Party frighten for him too.
“Well I wish him luck with that because there is not a drip of frightened blood running in the veins of Freundel Jerome Stuart, I gine tell yuh dat,” stated the Prime Minister. (LB)
Source: http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2013/02/18/stuart-not-scared-of-arthur-2/
i feel sorry for Peter Wickham. the cursing he is about to get….
@ac
Your response is entirely expected.
Can you really ever trust a homo?
@ Checkit-Out | February 18, 2013 at 6:57 PM |
“The spin you put on it is interesting. Hal Gollop is an enigma; Constant partner to Parris at the front row of DLP events; evidently in OSA’s confidence, seller out of the BSTU; FS’s bosom friend and confidant; His role in several matters should be put under severe scrutiny. ”
So you have finally managed to finger the fly in the ointment posing as the evil local version of Rasputin?
He is the pretentiously moral butterfly pimping from one political prostitution flower to
another while being the legal guardian and protector to those of the underworld where the likes of Leroy Parris dwells.
man david i not buying all that spin. too much speculation involved. the question and only question to be asked is why was there a suggestion coming and asking FS help to take Mottley from off OSA . IF FS was an imbicile like OSA i would tend to believe the spin and the picture the article wants to paint in the reader mind. However AFFA being the manipulative scamp that he is might have been trying to set up FS thinking that FS would agree for political fortunes, WHatever the reason . it does not benefit AFFA for suggestion any such thing, cause it shows how low and indifferent he can be to others feelings laughing in your face while stabbing you in the back.both friends and enemies.
David wrote “Barbadians are invited to a meeting tonight at the Bay street Esplanade tonight from 7pm to 11 59 pm.”
Who is holding this meeting?
One of the Independents running under the Coalition CUP.
Here is a link of firebrand Liz Thompson pelting some lashes in Donville last night.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29345582
The strategy of the DLP to go for the headshot continues. Here is a document which encapsulates exceptions from the Auditor General Reports 2003 to 2007.
http://bajan.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/auditor-general-report.pdf
David | February 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM |
@Georgie Porgie
Then to take your comment to a logical place – why is Arthur mum on the note so far?
David As you know, one does not have to play at every ball. Play at those at which you have to play or those from which you will benefit from playing.
What is clear is that FUMBLE is not a natural leader- if a leader at all
but david. and appreciated. !
@check it out
hear hear. bringing thought back to the table. The incomplete note isn’t enough to push forward the “Kill Arthur” strategy so further efforts are now afoot (see David’s link to the email blast).
I mentioned a few months ago that if the DLP has to resort to scorched earth to win, then there won’t be much earth left to govern. It’s clear that it’s about to get nasty in the last 48 hours. Sadly many DLP ministers have skeletons in their own closets after 5 years.
Interesting points made in the post though as to where this/these revelations put Freundel, the man of integrity. Also noted is the fact that Speightstown stall issue shows that the matter should have been pursued long time ago (note picture taken in 2008), but wasn’t.
Where’re the issues? Where are the manifesto debates? Is this what we are getting 2 days out from a major election?
Barbadians deserve a tad bit better but Thursday will tell which strategy wins. I hope whoever is the victor will at least try to raise the level of politics and debate.
@miller and check it out
A check of one of my posts last January re Alexandra would show I totally agree with you as to concern about Hal Gollop’s “positioning” in critical matters out of the blue. Particularly the now blatantly extreme bosomy nature of his relationship with Leroy Parris. Where’s there’s smoke there’s usually fire.
Just Observing
WAIT –FREUNDEL FUNNY ???
YOU DLP JOKERS DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHEN YOU ARE BEING SET UP FOR A —”””””KNOCK -OUT PUNCH “”””
BLP = 26 SEATS
DLP = 3 SEATS
Wunna think that this is a joke game nuh ?
We will see who is the JACK-ASS on Friday 22 February
If wunna think that we want 5 years of Freundel Stuart and the DLP. YOU ARE SO WRONG IT AINT FUNNY
IF OWEN ARTHUR SAYS HE CAN DO IT, HE CAN DO IT.
WHEN OWEN said in 1994 that he could bring back Barbados from the depths of despair that Sandy and the DLP had taken us to stream of economic prosperity, DEMS yard fowls were saying that he had no experience as a Prime Minister and that he was fooling the people and could not create 30, 000 jobs when he said that JOBS # 1 was JOBS.
Hello Owen Arthur can bring back Barbados, he can put money in People’s pockets.
Fumble the Bungler cannot get it done , he does not have a clue. He can fool diehards DLP supporters but not the discerning voter who is meeting it hard as shite
Do you know how long we were waiting to get rid of FREUNDEL STUART AND THE DLP ?
DO YOU THINK THAT WE GWINE LET THIS OPPORTUNITY PASS TO DUMP THE DEMS ??
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FREUNDEL STUART does not have a clue what to do to bring the economy to a state where it can grow again, where jobs can be created, where we can be the Caribbean beacon again, where Civil Servants can get a raise in pay, where VAT can be reduced, where POLICEMEN can get duty-Free cars, where the Cost of Living can be reduced , where Investors can return to Barbados, where people can feel as though they are not being stifled by economic conditions and where Criminal Activity is reduced -Cash FOR GOLD or not , where People are not told to GO TO THE DRUG DEALERS TO GET MONEY or to GO BACK TO THE CANEFIELDS, where the University can receive adequate funds because as Sir Hilary explains , we need a strongly supported University because it is important to our development, where there is hope and not Despair.
A VOTE FOR FREUNDEL STUART IS A VOTE FOR NO ECONOMIC GROWTH, NO PROSPERITY, NO DEVELOPMENT–ONLY REGRESSION
FREUNDEL STUART AND THE DLP DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. FREUNDEL STUART IS A NON BATSMAN ON A SPINNERS WICKET, OWEN ARTHUR IS A MASTER BAT -A- LA BRIAN LARA–CAN SCORE RUNS ON DIFFICULT WICKETS WHILE FREUNDEL STUART AND THE GOONS IN THE DLP COMPLAIN THAT THE WICKET IS DIFFICULT TO BAT ON SO BE SATISFIED WITH 50 RUNS and make that do –WHILE OWEN ARTHUR WILL SCORE 150 with ease because he understands how to bat on a difficult wicket.
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ARE THINGS BETTER IN BARBADOS—- BETTER THAN PRE 2008 WHEN THE BLP formed the Government???
BLP = 26 SEATS
DLP = 3 SEATS
The people on the ground are not fooled by the DLP GOVERNMENT –
WE FINISH WITH DEM EVERSINCE
WE MADE UP OUR MINDS EVERSINCE
WE THE NON-COMMITTED
BROOMES AINT VOTING DLP
MARY REDMAN AINT VOTING DLP
POLICEMEN NOT VOTING DLP
CIVIL SERVANTS AINT VOTING DLP
HOSPITAL WORKERS AINT VOTING DLP
SANITATION WORKERS AINT VOTING DLP
PORT WORKERS AINT VOTING DLP
YOUNG PEOPLE AINT VOTING DLP
OLD PEOPLE AINT VOTING DLP
KELLMAN GONE
SEALY GONE
JONES GONE
JAMES PAUL-LOSE HE DEPOSIT
CHRIS STINKLIAR –THE BIGGEST LIAR IN BARBADOS WHO HAD TO APOLOGIZE FOR ANOTHER LIE—GONE
DONVILLE INNISS CANNOT WIN –
SUCKOO—GONE–EVERSINCE
ADRIEL BRATHWAITE –TOO STUCK –ST PHILIP AINT WANT HE
PITBULL –THE GUNSLINGER —GONE-(HE PULLED A GUN ON MARSHALL)
THE REST TOO WEAK TO EVEN MENTION
ALL O DEM GONE
I HEARD GRYNNER SONG PLAYING JUST NOW
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THE DLP HAS REDUCED BARBADOS TO ALMOST NOTHING
PEOPLE ARE SO UNHAPPY
THE CRY IS NOTHING AINT HAPPENING
TAXI DRIVERS SMELLING HELL
TTRUCK DRIVERS SMELLING HELL
BUSINESS PEOPLE SMELLING THEIR ROYAL
TELL ME WHO WILL VOTE FOR THE DLP
TELL ME
POOR PEOPLE AINT VOTING FOR THEM
EVERSINCE ON A CALL IN SHOW, I HEARD A YOUNG LADY SUM IT UP—-SHE HAS TO WAIT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE TO GET SOMETHING TO DO
WHO IS GOING TO VOTE FOR THE DLP???
WET BEHIND THE EARS -PEOPLE -LIKE TO THE POINT? who know NOTHING
YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME?
THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS
THIS IS PEOPLE ‘S LIVES
VOTE BLP ALL DAY THURSDAY
BLP = 26 SEATS
DLP = 3 SEATS
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a man who is a Prime Minister who fumbles his way through every decision , he has to make and who want to rub shite in people’s mouth and call it butter. You can go ahead and accept shite and justify it in the manner of the Emperor’s new clothes.
You cannot convince me to vote for FREUNDEL STUART and the DLP
They have done NOTHING for BARBADOS – nothing
You can go ahead and get shite rubbed in your mouth
DLP supporters tend to be blind ,clannish and tribalistic like how they eat their own -SANDY/ RICHIE HAYNES—-
STUART/DAVID THOMPSON—STAURT/STINKLIar—Stuart /eager 11—THOMPSON/MASCOLL
What is this a doctoral thesis deconstructing a note? People into the why’s, wherefores and mindset of politicians. Wunnah people fail to understand that there are rules governing every sphere of human activity except politics. Even War that most destructive arena of human pursuit is covered by the Geneva Convention but Politics has no rules.
I will address the consequences of the note, the one sure winner is Mia who will evoke some sympathy as a victim of the old boys club, and Stuart also has gained some advantage as he has Arthur on the defensive with his less than believable explanation.
If the BLP loses the Election look for them to form a circular firing squad with Arthur in the middle and his legacy in tatters. He would akin to the boxer who hung around for one fight too many with the resulting ignominious defeat.
Whatever the outcome Mia will be a winner, stronger in Arthur’s cabinet (he wouldn’t dare humiliate her again) or she emerges as the undisputed leader of the BLP in opposition.
saregeant are you saying this could be this is the NOTE that broke OSA back.
@sargeant
Mia was a winner from day one
@david
Headshots need to be clinical, surgical, deadly, almost bloodless but fatally effective with no chance of retreat or resurrection. Seriously now, this document is half the size of the DLP’s manifesto. It feels like a clumsy attempt at assassination following the tear gas grenade called the note. What is the point….where is the clear message (outside of Arthur aint nuh good). Supporters should beeware, the battle is still very much on. Collateral damage is inevitable.
Just Observing
@CIO, Owen said it was light banter. Fair enough. If it is spin, then Owen could strongly retort all the ‘points’ that you are trying to make about the eager 11 situation. But he did not. And it leaves you to wonder why. Simply put, he was caught and now cant defend himself other than the light banter line.
Kevin
If it is a bit of Banter then it’s even worst that a genuine attempt to rid himself and the BLP of her because it would demonstrate having made her suffer public humiliation, he was nasty enough to make her the object of a joke. A play thing between leaders of two political parties.
SHOCKING and DISGUSTING
The word is the new poll shows Arthur 37% and Stuart 32%.
The BLP will also be making a revelation at the NCF car par tomorrow night.
This create a raft of disaffected voters in both the BLP base and in the uncommitted voter block.
As for ‘dumping one’s own, like Taan Abed who got 97% of the DLP Constituency Council vote but was undemocratically overruled by the DLP’executive’????
Is THAT democracy????????? Hypocrites.
News is that the new CADRES poll has the swing against the DLP still at 7%.
Minimum of 22 seats projected for the BLP.
THE NOTE IS ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY THE DLP to cover up their lack of substance. Eversince Tom Adams waved copies of Cheques in the air , the DLP has been trying to duplicate that act. It happened last election and they are trying the same lack of susstance approach
But when they increased my water Bill—I did dun wid DEM
When they increase my Road Tax to a whopping amount I did dun wid dem
When they increased the VAT and raised the Cost of Living that they promise to reduce –I did dun wid dem
Waving a piece a paper in the air says nothing to me
It is quite silly and if People fall for this shite, they could as well close down the schools and GO BACK TO THE CANE FIELDS
NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE FROM THE DLP—-NOTHING
Feeble minded persons will follow this crap about a piece a paper that means nothing to the running of the economy , the creation of jobs or any major economic development.
Arthur and Mia had their problems, they dont have to even like each other to work on the behalf of Barbados and make this country the best it can be
I would not even comment on the contents of the note. It is a diversionary tactic that will win no votes.
Owen Arthur promised the 8 % back to Public Servants, he delivered
He promised 30, 000 jobs , he delivered
The unemployment rate came down
All of these are promises that the DLP said he could not fulfil.
Now they have Eric Lewis (Perplexin Pearlie) in an advertisement saying that Owen is not a magician and that he cant do what he promise in the 2013 manifesto. While they offer nothing of substance
OWEN AND THE BLP can deliver and will deliver
Freundel Stuart is a real clown waving a note that has no bearing on anything
WTF !
Since Errol Barrow , this party is a party that has campaigned on LIES , DECEPTION and Frivolity
The DLP HAD NO SUSSTANCE under Sandy
Less under the other fella
and none existence under Freundel Stuart–a political Clown.
@Just Asking
But when they increased my water Bill—I did dun wid DEM
When they increase my Road Tax to a whopping amount I did dun wid dem
When they increased the VAT and raised the Cost of Living
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You aint see nothing yet….. wait till de next Gov’t ask you to fork over money to pay for yuh children University Education, see if Santa Claus Arthur got any more goodies in he stocking.
News is the new Cadres poll has the DLP winning the election with 54% of the popular vote.
DavidB | February 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM |
News is that the new CADRES poll has the swing against the DLP still at 7%.
Minimum of 22 seats projected for the BLP.
FOR THE LAST 24 HOURS , they were running around gloating about the poll results. IDIOTS ! when the polls were against them , they cussed the polls. SHOULDA keep quiet BUT I HEAR big-guts, cigar smoking -whore breeder –SEALY gloating about Freundel being ahead –COMMONSENSE seems to have deserted the DLP
They dont even know when they are being set up for a combination KNOCK-OUT PUNCH
The real poll is COMING
The real result
BLP = 26 SEATS
DLP = 3 SEATS
News is the new Cadres poll has the DLP winning the election with 54% of the popular vote.
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News is that the new CADRES poll has the swing against the DLP still at 7%.
Minimum of 22 seats projected for the BLP.
WHICH ONE O WUNNA TELLING LIES ???
JUST ASKING
Again, I ask what is so demoralising of the so-called note. How on earth Owen can give away a big able intelligent woman that is par excellence in the political, legal, social, sporting, entertainment and the list goes on. People associate with partisan politics would embrace such behaviour, but intelligent independent people would analyse and question the integrity of the receiver. Maybe, he is could have been conned. But, by who. Do tell me why.
The note is a joke just like the man that thought it would somehow would be a bombshell, when it only highlights his own puerile nature.
PEOPLE MADE UP THEIR MINDS A LONG TIME AGO
LONG LONG LONG TIME
SINCE MARCH 2011 PEOPLE KNEW THAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR FREUNDEL STUART AND HIS GOONS TO LEAVE GOVERNMENT—-OUT —OUT —OUTTA OF HERE –YOU POLITICAL MONGRELS AND SCOUNDRELS —
Page 8 of Barbados shows the real Owen Arthur.
The man has great taste in women.
page 8 of BarbadosToday
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Tell me Why please get real an ex PM and leader of Her Majesty’s’s loyal opposition writes a note like that to his opposite number in GOB and you talking rubbish about giving away a big able woman?
You are trying but failing to trivialise a very grave misjudgement or unbridled arrogance on the part of Owen. Mia is a senior important opposition colleague of Arthur she was not long ago his leader until the infamous coup. She was once Deputy PM under him.
A note like this has no place in the politics of an internationally respected maturing democracy. He should be writing Stuart about the two parties coming together in a non partisan way to move the country forward on specific national issues which transcend partisanship like cost of living. Instead we have a man who wants be Prime Minister again either displaying sheer arrogance, purile miscalculation or making laughing sport at Mia’s expense.
-If Wickham’s poll tonight is radica;lly different from the one on Sunday methinks his credibility will be shot to pieces.
-If its radically different then like Freundel Stuart contends the only relevant poll is the one on Thursday.
-Methinks Wickham will not stop polling until he gets the result he wants a overwhelming defeat of Stuart and the DPL or until the election intervenes He is running out of time.
-Word on the ground is Wickham fired CADRES pollsters who conducted the Sunday poll.
@Undaunted
How silly! You and your cohorts are trying to make something out of nothing. For others, the issue is a big yawn.
What about Owen’s charge that he had refused to back the Eager 11 in their attempt to bring a no-confidence motion against Freundel?
Is that the reason why the top half of the note is not shown?
Is that why Owen assured him in the part of the note that is displayed that he was not going to involve himself in the DLP’s internal affairs?
What Owen is saying seems very logical and fits in with what we know about the note.
5 more years of the same last 5 years would be disastrous for our island!
No action / decisions from the DLP
Police force in chaos
The judiciary falling behind
Tourism down and now falling rapidly (Jan Figures)
The economy going upside down
Govt can’t balance their budget
Unemployment rising (even this month Feb – layoffs happening)
They just can’t seem to get things done!
Listening every night to the DLP campaign they are all about fear politics (bus privatisation video / attacks on Owen Arthur) / attacking people about their sexual preferences / shouting into microphones like we Bajan’s are dumb and only want to hear that noise and not what they are going to do. I would like to hear them talking about the real issues.
They have had their 5 years – time for change!
First line of my post should read” If Wickham’s poll tonight is radically different from the one on Sunday methinks his credibility( the little he ‘s got left) will be shot to pieces.”
@ Pollster
The word is that there was some infiltration of his staff, which fits with the anomalies that showed up in St. Philip South and St. Andrew in the poll that was published on Sunday.
Word is that it the Sunday numbers had not a single person voting for the BLP among the 36 persons “questioned” in St. Philip South. It also had the DLP overwhelmingly winning Orange Hill, which is BLP stronghold.
So if the infiltration story is true, Peter Wickham has every right to fire their backsides.
@all
Has anyone else noticed that no one on the DLP side speaks at any length if at all about the details in the current manifesto and where it fits in with their future plans while on the election platform??? I’ve read it, attended some meetings, watched online and listened to the radio….yet…strangely…not one of the candidates address where they are carrying us, how the manifesto fits in or how they are going to collectively tackle the issues that have been highlighted…
I could be wrong, deaf, blind or all three. I’ll have a closer listen and peep. Or someone can point me to a video where a platform speaker actually paints a specific or content filled forward looking picture based on the manifesto…..rather than a backward looking or accusatory and “cuss Arthur/BLP” one.
Just Observing
@ Pollster
Wickham moved quickly to restore his credibility when he spotted the problems with the first poll by doing the second poll at his own expense.
I believe he had to go ahead and publish the Sunday poll to meet his contractual obligations with the Nation.
He will take a hit for sure, but it would have been far worse had he not done the second poll and then the results on Friday morning would make him look incompetent.
I cannot say it enough that Peter Wickham had every right to fire the scoundrels who set out to undermine his credibility, his business and his livelihood.
and they’re off!!!
http://epaper.barbadostoday.bb/
Time to head over to BU General Election Picks guys let’s hash this out!
@DAvidB
Anyone with a small analytical eye, a small background in statistics or at least a good memory and some old newspapers could have seen that there were some serious anomalies in Sunday’s poll. Something(s) just were not sitting right and there were just too many things that didn’t add up or converge.
I can’t speak to this current one as yet but despite my “preferences” I haven’t wavered from my DLP loses 16-14 best case 18-12 average case 22-8 worse case scenario. I’ll revisit and go again.
Just Observing
@Observing
I totally agree with you on the poll. Much of it made no sense to me.
What impact do you think tomorrow night’s big reveal on Donville Inniss will have? The nature of the revelations will no doubt be devastating.
The details on BU are sordid indeed and the Bees intend to make full use of the case where the 14-year old girl was raped. They have the copy of the summons from the Virginia Court served to Donville’s address in Barbados.
My feeling is that this will have a big impact and could knock out some of the seats that might otherwise be unassailable.
Note from Owen Arthur to Fruendel Stuart (sent via Hal Gollop)
THE ‘NOTE’ IN QUESTION PUBLISHED ABOVE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SENT THROUGH HAL GOLLOP BEAUSE IT INFORMS THAT A MESSAGE WAS SENTFROM MR ARTHUR BY HAL GOLLOP TO MR STUART. IT MRE SEEMS LIKELY AS MR STUART HADTRUMPETED THAT MR ARTHUR HANDED HIM THIS NOTE.
Tell me Why please get real an ex PM and leader of Her Majesty’s’s loyal opposition writes a note like that to his opposite number in GOB and you talking rubbish about giving away a big able woman?
YOU NEED TO BE MORE ANALYTICAL MY FRIEND.
@ check it out .
Do you not think that if you are going to write a full length article like this you should demonstrate enough intelligence to accurately report what you heard the PM said ? HE NEVER SAID THAT A NOTE WAS DELIVERED TO HIM BY HAL GOLLOP ; HE SAID IT WAS DELIVERED TO HIM BY A MARSHALL IN THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY . Incidentally the Nation reporter ( GE ) yesterday made the same mistake as you . In your zeal to vilify you should first get the facts correct .
The note is more political scampishness all in an effort to deceive the taxpayers.
@ just Asking !! | February 19, 2013 at 7:58 AM |
“HE NEVER SAID THAT A NOTE WAS DELIVERED TO HIM BY HAL GOLLOP ; HE SAID IT WAS DELIVERED TO HIM BY A MARSHALL IN THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY”
Just Asking, if you wish to be so meticulously accurate in your reporting and commentary could you please point out to us where in his contribution- the subject of this thread- Ckeckit-Out stated what you have identified to be his authorship?
I might be stupidly wrong and need to see the optometrist but I don’t recall seeing where Ckeckit-Out claimed that Hal Gollop delivered a note from Owen to Freundel.
Please help us here. Just Asking!
Just Asking !!
I’ll refer you to Miller above re. the substance of my note. AFAIRecall I never claimed that Hal Gollop relayed the note. I don’t know or even care. What I was conjecturing totally from the note itself, was that it did not, in any way, state what FS and the DLP platform was trying to push for the past month or so, i.e. that the subject of the note was Owen Arthur’s volunteering to give Mottley to FS but was instead a note whose main thrust was a discussion to help FS in his battles with the Eager 11. In that regard I tend to see the logic in the post above that the note was actually sent or given to FS by Arthur to assure FS that he would not join in a putative attempt by the Eager 11 to pass a vote of no-confidence against him.
Indeed, if that is really so, it reconfirms my confidence in Arthur’s judgement as he would have recognized even from then that FS as PM would have been a better asset to the BLP’s future in regard to FS’ predeliction for doing the wrong things, than to have a much more astute CS or Donville or Estwick leading the DLP.
In addition it would underline the total lack of integrity of FS who would knowingly use a friendly (for a politician) note that was sent to him confirming that OSA would not join the eager 11’s vote of no confidence, to try to impugn OSA’s integrity now. But of course that is par for the course for FS. The worst or second worst PM in Barbados’ history, vying only with DT in that regard.
In addition I did not write an article. All I did was write a normal post to BU in another blog (AFAIK it is still there) and unknown to me David elevated it to a this topic of its own for his purposes. I had nothing to do with that.
Not guilty me lud.
Observing;
Will join you soon on the Election constituency guessing threads. Thats where the remainder of the action over the next 2 days should be.
The hardest thing to do is to THINK , no one seem to be thinking just talking.lies all over the place ,
THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE , VOTE TRUTH NOT PARTY
@Checkit-Out
Arthur is reported in the Nation today that he did send the note by Hal Gollop.
My fascination is that Freundel would actually think that publicising the note would damage Owen and the BLP.
The strategy has turned around and bitten him in the arse.
Everyone now knows how severe the infighting within the DLP really was, to the point where Owen and the BLP had to save the PM from his enemies within his own party.
This is really not a pretty sight. How dumb the PM and the DLP now look!
I keep saying that the DLP consultants appear to be yard fowls. So what you end up with is an echo chamber where no one can recognise the folly they are practising. No one is there to counsel the others to come back to reality.
They decided to pull the lion’s tail and not only loses big on that issue in question, but have provoked the BLP into responding in kind.
The Donville Inniss scandal has far more potential to be devastating to the DLP’s chances in the election.
FS would have cemented himself, in my books, as being equally as duplicitous as his former boss David Thompson and vying with him for being the worst Prime Minister that Barbados and the Caribbean has ever known.
BUT LOOKA MUH CROSSES…..FREUNDEL HAD TO BARGAIN WID OWEN TO FREE HE SELF FRM EAGER 11 TALK BOUT INTEGRETY NOW YARD BROOM
It seems Donville tugged the lion’s tail. Duguid is going after him in a special way with the info which was posted on BU a few weeks ago. Can Inniss withstand the onslaught? What should be clear to Inniss now is that any hopes of leading the DLP has been squashed by this skeleton.
@just asking…now this is a guy who got owen dick,balls & ass in he moute
@david
Donville’s difficulty is that he never came out and rebutted or clarified anything in the way he so eagerly did with the Kingsland hospital plan. He’s now a deer in headlights waiting for the truck to roll over him.
Damaging information online or on a blog is one thing. Damaging information on a platform before the midweek papers and 30 hours before the election in a close race is another.
Duguid will also have “blood” in his eyes given the recent parliament theatre.
Just Observing
@Observing(…)
The hits on the Donville blogs have been increasing at an alarming rate – for Donville that is.
@david
Once again the power of new media has been underestimated. Donville’s press conferences and statements have at most 200 hits on youtube. “Donville telling lies” is at 2,000 plus hits.
Go figure.
Just Observing
You guys got to be crazy to believe that the note hasn,t given body blows to OSA the fact is that many woman who were angry at OSA for his treatment of mia and his/back stabbing was given another reason to unload their frustration at the voting booth. the woman vote is going to critical to the BLP demise on Thursday and no one to blame than OSA
If what appears to me is fact then Freundel Stuart is the most ungrateful politico I have come across.Talk about biting the hand that feed you?Here’s a perfect example of OSA confirming in writing that neither he nor his Parliamentary group would join the Eager11 in removing Stuart as PM and this innuendo is Stuart’s repayment of that huge favour.What treachery!What villany!What scampishness!
@ac
And those women you are talking about would not be upset by Chris Sinckler’s bald pooch cat attack on June Fowler?
@Observing(…)
You should checkout the nasty David Thompson’ Barney Lynch YouTube video, it is up to 9000 views.
@David
The BLP is distancing itself from Barney. When last did he speak on a platform?
And it is felt that he will not win his seat anyway. So any damage is isolated to him.
@David
They still have to come good to top duguid’s “cah ya mudda scunt!” lol
28,000 one way and 32,000 the next!
Sleepy’s kick dem out – 4000 and counting
Social media rocks!!!
@DavidB
You got there before me. A four week ol opposition change in power similar to Thompson -Mascoll of 2006…versus…a 1 week old bald pooch cat.
Game on!!!
Just Observing
The constant attacks by OSA have been more damaging and an insult to womanhood than the comments by chris.
Both St. James South and St. Michael North-West are extremely marginal constituencies with prominent incumbent ministers running against newcomers.
The question is whether the advantage of incumbency can be overcome by the negatives against Sinckler and Inniss. My gut feeling is that sufficient votes can move to allow the two newcomers to ease home by a few votes.
@ac
“Whenever I hear her talk she reminds me of Poochie. Dat, dat woman as ingrunt as a bald pooch cat! I say so tonight!”
unprovoked, on a public platform, streamed live over the internet, against the woman that fighting for CLICO policyholders.
Are you sure you want to compare the two? and was Thompson’s coup better because Mascoll is a man???
Just Observing
I recognize that some women think that somehow Mia should have been treated differently.
But it is unlikely that many votes will change at this stage unless it is something dramatic like the DI pornography scandal or the shocking bald pooch cat attack on Ms. Fowler.
Check how the note is being discussed on the social media and you will see that many see it as either unimportant or as showing that Owen saved Freundel from a no-confidence motion.
DavidB why you talking so much sense on the people blog?
i was talking to die hard DEM today and she was pissed about the note. her points about it:
1. It reads out of context
2. it should Owen supported Stuart and the reason for that is simple (her words not mine) Owen knew he could run with Stuart but he could not run with Chris and that is why he said what he said.
3. he part about Mia is where she thinks something is out of context.
as i said she was PISSED.
I think we may be underestimating the impact of Chis Sinckler’s attack on Mrs. Fowler.
When you hear young first time male voters make the simple and profound statement, “But, my mother is a woman” you know that there is a pretty big undercurrent to this issue.
@all three Davids, lol
What I find amazing is after the big build up and all the hype about “the note,” the DLP has NOTHING in the past 24 hours to amplify and plow through on the momentum they thought it would have given them. Instead, the BLP has quickly regrouped and are ready to attack like mad tonight armed with a poll predicting their victory. So far all we have seen are excerpts from an Auditor General report in a “too big” document and the same ads we’ve been seeing.
Just imagine, the Noel Lynch comments about Thompson went up on their site Sunday, almost a full 10 days after they were made…and attacking a candidate who has already defeated himself. Does this sound like “strategy?”
Just Observing
@Observing(…)
The DLPites don’t want to read this but the BLP ground game and using relevant communication blasts is superior.
Here is another example: Since Sunday Jimmy Serrao and Owen Arthur have sent out (3) communication pieces to BLP website subscribers. Not one similar communication from the DLP.
to all you men. you seem to think that woman dumb we know when we are being played and we know the difference between abuse and insult. chris said words which might have been offensive and rude ,but to compare that to OSA derogatory remarks about Mia and her sexual escapades is like day and night. not only was he down right abusive to her in language and terminology her but also he accused herof . stealing funds from the campaign treasury when apparently some bills were not paid. Not forgetting the unforgetable sin of having five men gang up on her to decapitate her . wait wunna men think all that forgotten by the woman. who going to send that short pint sized midget a message on how to respect woman on thursday,
you men think that NOTE does not carry any weight ,ASK NOW! they all geared up to show OSA who is the real leader of the BLP and fuh sure it won’t” be HIM after THURSDAY.
The issue of communication: through the Thompson stewardship his political strategist Hartley Henry used a weekly column to peddle a certain narrative and to respond to topical issues. The article was posted on BU many times unabridge versions. During the Stuart administration it has struggled to push a consistent communications strategy.
The BLP fell on their own sword…the greedy overthrow of Mia was always going to sit badly ….OSA took the hit for it and consequently his party….should be interesting to see how Roebuck street deals with the fallen leader….and that eager 11 scenario, fabricated by the BLP to destabilize the DLP….as I suspect t he note about OSA wanting to rid himself of Mia was…politics is a game of seizing opportunities and OSA seized the leadership but did not anticipate the outcome in 2013… He forgot that MAM would employ her own tactics….Plus they appeared too eager for power always a sCary sign…then the2nd poll created to bolster sagging fortunes by influencing voters brought the opposite reaction….the voters weighed the options and chose to stick with the DEMS in spite of all the hardships….
Now that the election is behind us are we agreed that we the E11 was orchestrated by three people, three very well know players in the political world?
One can be sure PM Stuart is aware his denial that there was an attempted coup notwithstanding.
BU eagerly looks forward to the appointment of the Cabinet.