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Caswell Franklyn, Head of Unity Workers Union

According to the Nation newspaper of Thursday, February 16, 1012, former Opposition Leader, Mia Mottley has called for the removal of the “anomaly” in law which prevents children aged 16 and under from seeking health care without parents’ consent. She went on to clarify that she was dealing with the situation where the law allows children to have sexual intercourse at 16 years of age but, the same child cannot seek medical assistance without the parents’ consent. Further, she claims that it is a matter which she felt strongly about, and that she has sided with the Minister of Health, Donville Inniss.

If I understand the issue correctly, the Health Minister is in favour of removing parental rights in this regard. However, I fear that their position is myopic, focusing on one aspect of the problem rather than looking at the bigger picture. Their views can only be described as an endorsement of child abuse which is currently legal under the Laws of Barbados, but nonetheless abuse. Rather than protecting children, taking away the parents’ rights would open the floodgates on sexual abuse of our vulnerable children.

Miss Mottley’s justification for supporting Minister Inniss’ position betrays some very warped reasoning. She claims that the data shows that there are persons who are sexually active at a very early age. So what? That is no reason to facilitate children’s early entry into sexual relations. That same argument can be used for the legalization of harmful drugs; after all, lots of people get involved with drugs at an early age. Maybe if enough persons get involved in murder, we would hear a call from some foolish politician to make it legal. Instead of making it easy for children to be sexually abused, Parliament should be considering ways to protect our children.

I believe that Barbados is a signatory to the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child. Article 1 states:

For the purposes of the present Convention, a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier.

Under Barbados law a person becomes an adult at 18 years of age, and if Barbados wants to honour its international commitments we should not allow sexual exploitation of children under that age. Since Government signed on to this convention it should be making out a case for increasing the age of consent. Article 19 requires Government to take steps to protect children under the age of 18 from sexual abuse. How is removing parental rights protecting children from sexual abuse? Article 19 says:

1. States Parties shall take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect the child from all forms of physical or mental violence, injury or abuse, neglect or negligent treatment, maltreatment or exploitation, including sexual abuse, while in the care of parent(s), legal guardian(s) or any other person who has the care of the child.

If politicians really want to give children at 16 years of age adult responsibility, why don’t they go all the way and consider giving them the right to vote for parliamentary representatives at that age as well. Having sex is by far a more adult responsibility than voting.

Finally, if such a law is passed, I suggest that it should be entitled, “An Act to provide for the interest of perverts and sexual predators.


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84 responses to “Mia Agrees With Law to Protect Perverts and Sexual Predators”


  1. HUH!
    I guess Barbadian parents have their work cut out for them now.
    I guess most will be forced to pay more attention to their off springs & not leave it up to the television, laptops, computerized games & POLITICIANS!
    This country is fast becoming more corrupt & warped.
    Lost values & morals, with no sense of direction……………
    All that I have to say is “NOT MINE”!
    Blessings.


  2. MIA ??
    MAMA MIA ??
    IS Mia not being Mia ??


  3. It is easy to see attacks on persons often unjustified, cloaked in the guise of reasonable debate.
    The heading of this submission is :

    “Mia Proposes Law to Protect Perverts and Sexual Predators”

    Yet the text states:
    Quote: “Further, she claims that it is a matter which she felt strongly about, and that she has sided with the Minister of Health Donville Inniss”
    In the interest of “FAIRNESS” why is it stated that Mia is proposing a Law to protect Perverts and sexual predators when she is siding with the Minister of Health.

    A fair statement would be that she supports the views of the Minister regarding necessary changes in Law…but why be fair when you can put the boot in this is Barbados.
    Young people are becoming sexually active much earlier than in the past, it is something we do not agree with but that is a reality evidenced by the number of young girls who become pregnant.
    It is a serious situation which needs to be addressed but we can do that without a veiled personal attack which in this instance is unjustified.
    Let us be FAIR in time “we” might need it.


  4. Well Well, now we see why and know for sure, that this cannot we the words of a future leader.This is political assassination for Mia and a final dooming of the women’s vote with which she once had console.How in all mercy could have she sided against such a pertinent and protective right for a young female ?
    People make mistakes but coming from one so highly respected is a travesty.


  5. 100% correct on this one is Caswell,though the chosen title smacks of unfairness. If Old Onion Bags attempts to stretch any further they are bound to tear.


  6. @Caswell
    The age of sexual consent is spain is 13. Maltatla and Turkey 18. Scotland 16 since December 1, 2010, Northerrn Ireland 16, Gribaltar 16 since 2011. England and wales 16. The Sexual offence Amendement Act in england makes the distinction when ses takes place bewtwen a child and someone “in a position of trust, eg, teacher the age of consent is 18.


  7. the above is from Blogger2012

    will return to this subject later as i am rushing off


  8. @All

    please google ages of sexual consent in europe to obatain a historical and current perspective on this subject

  9. Caswell Franklyn Avatar

    This notion of removing the parents’ rights comes from the same decadent reasoning as trying to sneak condoms in prison through the backdoor under the guise that it would protect people inmates from AIDS.

    We cannot amend the law to satisfy the immoral sexual urges of people who want to sexually abuse little children. What is so completely hurtful is that the child molesters could manage to convince Members of Parliament that a change in the law would be in the interest of the children that are being abused.


  10. What do you expect, both these individuals have a murky cloud hanging over their heads. The old people always say “birds of a feather frock together.” I bet you NONE is the minister’s children can seek attention without his permission. It is ” do as I say, but not as I do.”


  11. Why is it that big hard ass men (and a woman) seek to lower the age of consent from that of 16 to lower ?
    As a father of a 15 year daughter now attaining puberty, I cannot say all judgement calls that she has made of recent are sound. And she is educated better than most.Would I like her to be the sole judge of a decision on this matter to which she may have little or no experience ? Certainly NOT , not with all these ole men crabs, and women jaguars wid AIDS..who are eager to destroy lives.
    The law was envisaged to protect the vulnerable .In light of a terminal illness like AIDS …It should BE INCREASED as the risks are now even greater and more dread.

    Blogger 2012…We are not followers in Barbados..who cares what age exist overseas.We set trends.


  12. @oLD

    U SURELY ARE A SAD CASE. U dont even understand how HIV is contracted not u wont make such a stupid statement. Legisaltion will not protect anyone from contracting HIV, it is aabout safe sex. How many teenagers having babies and how hold was the person you first had sex with.


  13. @Casweell
    Thers is a differnce between HIV and AIDS


  14. There are a lot of pedophiles in this country, I see! That is the problem – there always has been and from what I can tell, some people here are putting up arguments for continuation of the same.


  15. Yet another of those soft issues soaked in a sponge of morality.

    Surely not a clear cut answer if we are to respond to those children who are susceptible by not having responsible parents.


  16. @ Blogger
    No you tell me


  17. You would never understand what it is to be raped and not be able to tell your parents, would you for fear they accuse you of being immoral and then have to run to a neighbour. Many of you men do not understand the immoral pervertish culture that exists and the role you play in perpetuating it. Bring the law Mr Inniss. It is very necessary to protect little children. I know I was one of them who did not have a voice and so are many little girls who are allowed to be abused by older men in full knowledge of their parents. That is one of the main reasons for this law. Barbados is a very sick society. Parents have always been doing this – selling their daughters out to older men for material security. They have to be protected from both the parents and the men. The law is very much in sinc with our cultural and sexual practices that are very widespread…i.e the abuse of little girls, the abuse of little boys; the incest and molestation that goes on. Well done Donville Inniss. I don’t like what I hear about porn but I think you are the sharpest minister in the government. Why should anyone be surprised that Mia supports this motion? she will always get the women’s votes.


  18. @Word

    There is a public health issue. Girls can have sex at 16, but legally if they have contracted a disease they would have to get consent to be treated. They can have sex at sixteen, can they decide on an aboortion or would they have to get parental consent? If they contract hiv at 16 would they have to seek parental consent to be treated. It is the dirty old men on this blog that even foop their duaghters that would object to the change,

    We have to be enlightened instead on this attck on Mia. How much of us do watch pornography and when we travel bring it in with us. lowering of the age would not mean that the way is being paved for dom to take advantage of young girls. So we must look at this issue objectively.


  19. @Old

    you know why u cant answer the question because u r one of those persons would prey on young girls and wont want ur daughter to be preyed on.


  20. Blogger
    Don’t you for one moment think I would get in such trenches as you seemly traverse..but know one thing…..surely I would protect her FROM THOSE THE LIKES OF YOU.


  21. Can we go with the issue raised by the piece?


  22. @David

    Do you have the wording of the proposed legislation?


  23. @Caswell

    This notion of removing the parents’ rights comes from the same decadent reasoning as trying to sneak condoms in prison through the backdoor under the guise that it would protect people inmates from AIDS
    ****************
    That statement is so loaded with innuendo I don’t know whether to laugh or cry…. But people will have sex, it is natural for human beings to engage in this activity, the majority of us will seek a partner of the opposite sex to satisfy our urgings. If people are locked up the desires will not go dormant until they are released, some of them will look for other inmates of the same sex to engage in this pursuit. It doesn’t make them homosexual, they, and I will be a bit crude here “be looking for any port in a storm”. Since we know that wearing condoms can prevent transmission of HIV, when (not if) these inmates are released back into society and take up where they left off with female partners wouldn’t you be in favour of them having condoms in prison?


  24. @Sargeant

    Speaking subject to correction but this is a proposal from Minister Inniss, not sure if it has manifested itself in any material way to this point.

    No doubt Caswell who has a better handle on these things will clarify.


  25. ….’ If people are locked up the desires will not go dormant until they are released, some of them will look for other inmates of the same sex to engage in this pursuit. It doesn’t make them homosexual….’

    Man….wtr I read above?
    Let me be crude…..If a man have sex with a man, he IS homosexual!!….the receiver might not be tho…if it is rape….. but …..to say that a man having sex with a next man just for a way out is ludicrous! They had these tendencies long before incarceration….stupse!!


  26. @Techie

    ….’ If people are locked up the desires will not go dormant until they are released, some of them will look for other inmates of the same sex to engage in this pursuit. It doesn’t make them homosexual….’

    Man….wtr I read above?
    Let me be crude…..If a man have sex with a man, he IS homosexual!!….the receiver might not be tho…if it is rape….. but …..to say that a man having sex with a next man just for a way out is ludicrous! They had these tendencies long before incarceration….stupse!!

    Can’t agree with you here. The animal desire often times will overrule everything else.

  27. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Caswell;
    I am disappointed with you on this one. We all know you can do much better than that. In spite of your personal vendetta with MIA we do expect a higher level of intellectual output when dealing with matters on national import.
    Ms Mottley is not the proposer of the change in the law. The Honourable Donville Innis the Minister of Health is the author of the amendment. He is in a much better position to know the realities on the ground. Attack him first and then the supporters of the amendment after debate in the Parliament.
    I bet you are scared to attack the don’s porno website with easy viewing of bestiality and underage sex for a few dollars.


  28. @david
    Could u spell out the issue raised by the piece??

    @caswell
    U seem to be vying for a job as propagandist. Good start.


  29. @Oberving

    In a few words Mia has agreed with Minister of Health proposal to amend the law which would give children 16 years and under the right to seek medical attention Without parental consent.

    Of course this raises all kinds of issues for some not least of which the undermining of the authority of parents. There is the conflict also where the age of consent conflicts with the age of majority.

    The intent of the amendment is to respond to the fact that some children find themselves in abusive situations and through the ignorance or malevolence of some parents. A messy issue but we should put abused or affected children at the centre of the discussion.


  30. Any child under 16 that contracts a communicable disease should have the right to see a doctor with or without their parents consent.

    The Doctor should be required by law to inform the police and that child’s parents because the age of consent to legally have sex is 16.

    This is a poor people problem because the middle and upper classes will get their middle and upper class doctor friends to deal with these issues in secret.


  31. This headline is unfair to Mia. Mia did not make the law which permits 16 years olds to consent to sex. This law has been on the books since long, long before Mia was born.

    However we can do 2 things, raise the age of consent to 18.

    Or lower the age of consenting to medical treatment to 16.

    It is a damn shame if a 16 year old can consent to sex but can’t consent to a C-section if she needs one. What is she supposed to do, remain in labour for 2 years until her 18th birthday?

    It is a damn shame that 16 year old can consent to sex, but cannot obtain a prescription for the pill or an IUD until 18.

    It is a damn shame that 16 year old can have sex, but cannot consent to his own medical treatment if he should catch a sexually transmitted disease. What is he supposed to do. Let a SDI do its dirty work on his body until he turns 18>

    I am no friend of Mia, but fair is fai, and unfair is unfair. And it is UNFAIR TO BLAME MIA FOR A LAW WHICH HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE BEFORE SHE WAS BORN,

    I myself did not have any sex of any kind until I was 25 going on 26, and if I had my way I would raise the age of consent to 25.

    Raise the age of consenting to medical treatment to 25.

    Raise the age of majority to 25.

    Raise the age at which we can vote to 25.
    Rraise the age at which we can run to elected office to 25.

    Raise the age at which we can marry to 25.

    But I know that not a single soul in Barbados will agree with me to make these changes.


  32. Quoting Yardbroom “Young people are becoming sexually active much earlier than in the past, it is something we do not agree with but that is a reality evidenced by the number of young girls who become pregnant.”

    This is not true. The MEDIAN age of first birth in Barbados is 19, and it has been 19 for more that a 100 years. Do not take my word for it, go to the public library or the archives and read the census reports for the past 100 years.

    Or ask how old were your grandfathers when they had their first child?
    How old were your grandmothers?
    Your mother?
    Your father?
    You?
    Your wife?
    Your aunts?
    Your uncles?
    Your siblings?
    Your friends?
    Your neighbours?
    Your pastor?
    Your boss?
    Too many of us “know” for “the young people now-a-days” and we never try to find out the difficult truths in our own families?


  33. @Random Thoughts,

    It is commendable that you were able to wait until the age of 25 to have sex but that is not typical human behaviour.

    We have to address the current problem in the context of 100 years of developing into a modern society that has adopted the “First world” way of life.

    For the record they are 18 year olds that are more intelligent and responsible than some 50 year olds.


  34. Tell the truth now Caswell. Did you have sex before 18? If so did you ask your parents permission? Did any of your children have sex before the age of 18? If so did they ask your permission?


  35. Tell the truth now Scout. Did you have sex before 18? If so did you ask your parents permission? Did any of your children have sex before the age of 18? If so did they ask your permission?


  36. Quoting Scout “I bet you NONE is the minister’s children can seek attention without his permission.”

    I bet you a million dollars that when the Minister’s children are ready to have sex they will NOT ask daddy’s permission, nor will they ask mummy’s permission?

    Young people rarely or never ask the permission of their elders when they are ready to have sex, and we all know why, the elders would deny permission, and since sex is very sweet, very joyful the youngster does not want to be denied and so they NEVER ever ask permission.

    Oh how we old fogies wish that our children would ask permissin first.


  37. My father died at 95, my mother at 85. I was in my 50’s then. And I have NEVER, NEVER EVER discussed my sex life with my parents. What sort of incompetent poppet discusses their sex life with their parents?


  38. ………..’Can’t agree with you here. The animal desire often times will overrule everything else.

    @ David…..

    What are you really saying here then David?
    That if we lock you up too long, your animal desire is so strong that it will over ride your own beliefs and you will have sex with a man?…..Wow….even more scared of prison now 😉


  39. Dear old onion bage:

    When your 16, 17, or almost 18 year old daughter is ready to have sex she will not tell you. In any event by then she will likely be at university thousands of miles from home and when daddy outta sight he outta mind.

    If you want to teach your daughter sexual propriety you have to do it long, long before puberty hits.


  40. And old onion bags you clearly don’t know what is going on. If your 15 year ld daughter “is now attaining puberty” either something is wrong with her or you don’t know what is going on. The average of puberty in Bajan girls is about 12 years and 6 months. Even I born in the 1950’s reached puberty in pre-Independence attained puberty at 13 years and 3 months and that was in pre-Independence Barbados.

    By the time a person male or female reaches 18 they would have reacher puberty and have had sexual desires for 5 1/2 years.

    Dear old onions: Have you ever abstained for 5 1/2 years? You want to try abstaining for the next 5 1/2 years. And if abstinence in hard for an old man going down the hill, why do you think that 17 1/2 year olds find it easier than you do?


  41. Quoting Hants “The Doctor should be required by law to inform the police and that child’s parents because the age of consent to legally have sex is 16.”

    A sensible suggestion. If doctor’s nurses and other health professionsal wer compelled to report, and if the police were compelled to investigate, and if the Prosecutor was compelled toprosecute maybe men (and women) who have sex with young girls and boys would think twice.


  42. @Techie

    Not all of us will react in rational ways under stress, it must be the fact that we are all unique being under the sun 🙂


  43. Hanta I am an own-way person I don’t like anybody telling me what to do. I especially hate being told what to do by men (oe women) who are less intelligent than I am. So yes I had to wait until I got my own place before I began my sex life. I did not enjoy waiting, but I have enjoyed the fredomof saying yes when I feel like it and the equal freedom of saying no when I feel like it.

    As I said I am own-way. Always was.


  44. @Techie

    You can apply whatever label you want to men who have sex with each other in prison (BTW if women do the same are they all lesbians?) but the issue was condoms in prison, would appreciate your views on that subject.


  45. It is interest that whenever the issue of sex or something in connection with sex, even the immoral practitioner suddenly becomes an authority on morality (whatever that is). With the issue of condom in prison, we holler for permissive homosexuality and the coming of fire and brimstone and the whole nine yards of righteous invective. As though homosexuality is not an integral part of the society. Are you really aware of those persons who are practicing homosexual (of both sexes)? The fact is that men who are locked away for a long time whether they are homosexual or other will at some point turn to each other for sexual release whether by consent or rape. Those men may (some have) contract AIDs. They will return to the society and their women and they will pass on whatever they have contracted in prison to their women or their men. This will be a medical burden that falls upon the society to treat. That is the tax payers will have to foot the medical bill. It you wish to tout Christian morality you may do so, but bear in mind that it is not pragmatic. In any case Christian morality has lost all credibility. So try something else.

    The only child abuse that is continence by the laws of Barbados is the flogging of children in schools. Are not some of these floggings in the public schools pervert too? Do not some of get a kick out of flogging children on a regularly basis? Does the Ministry requires these floggers to be regularly analyse by a psychologist?
    I believe there is a misconception here as to Miss Motley’s and Mr. Inniss’ intention. It not to make life easy for sexual predators but rather to protect young women and young boys from abuse. Bearing in mind that young children are abuse by strangers, friends of the family, and also by parents. Some parents encourage older men for their daughters in exchange for money. Do you think that such a parent would consent to a medical examination of the child that s/he is prostituting? But it the child can go to a doctor for medical care, the doctor would be acting within the law to give such care. Perhaps in that event the doctor might be able to save the life of that child.
    It is woefully illogical to compare the removal of parent consent for medical care from a 16 year old child to the legalizing of control drugs. These are apples and oranges. But note carefully, child at aged 16 do not require their parents consent to sexual intercourse absolutely. The parent has not control over that. It would seem to me that a child who seeks medical attention on his/her own volition is doing a good thing. But that same child may not wish to let the parents know that s/he wishes to seek medical advice. I believe it is proper for the law of privacy to commence at 16 years. There is no good and sufficient reason why a competent child at the age of 16 years should not be allowed to give consent to medical treat. This is particularly given that our children are so aware of themselves at an early age. Perhaps some perverts may get away with their doing, but overall believe such an Act would do more good than harm.
    As a matter of fact similar issues as raise by Miss Motley and Mr. Inniss were raised in the case of Gillick v West Norfolk and Wisbech Area Health Authority [1986] HL. the case covers the area of law and morality – whether doctors may give advice and treatment on contraception to girl under 16 without parental consent] Mrs Gillick a Roman Catholic mother of five daughters sought a declaration that a doctor would be acting unlawfully if he gave contraceptive treatment for any of her daughters without the mother’s consent. It was argued on the one hand that teenage pregnancies would increase if the courts ruled that parental consent was necessary, on the other hand that the judges would be encouraging under-age sex if they did not.
    The court held that a doctor could prescribe contraceptives to a girl under 16 to prevent damage to her health, even though he knew it would assist a man to have unlawful sexual intercourse. By a majority of three to two. A child under 16 who can fully understand the implications of the proposed treatment (a “Gillick competent” child) can give her own consent to medical treatment.
    Since Parliament had not legislated, the courts had to make a decision one way or the other.
    Mrs Gillick lost the case.
    We can contrast the above case with Re W (A Minor) [1992] CA which also deals with the area of law and morality. A girl aged 16 refused to consent to proposed treatment. The question which the court had to answer is whether a girl aged 16 years is absolutely entitled to refuse medical treatment. The local authority wanted to treat W against her wishes. W had anorexia. The court that the law did not confer on a 16 year an absolute right to determine medical treatment. The minor’s wishes, which would be considered, could not overrule consent given by the court. The child’s best interests required immediate treatment. Therefore, the court made an order that W treated against her wishes.
    The irrefutable, salient point of the two cases is that we must our paramount concern must be what is in the best interest of the child and not parent morality or the lack thereof.
    I believe when it comes to moral issues we must make a herculean effort to override our moral reactionary tendencies, and think critically and lucidly about the proposal that is before the legislator. If we are think solely on the basis of Christian morality, 2000 years of history shows that it does not work, and at times it has done more harm than good.


  46. Wow, it’s really amazing how narrow-minded you people can be! Just because Ms. Mottley drew attention to the Age Of Consent law, it has NOTHING to do pedophilia! She was simply comparing the issue at hand with a current law.

    Consider this… A child of, say, 9 years old is currently living with a physically abusive parent(s) and as a result is suffering from sort of ailment, like PAIN. Do you REALLY think the child will ask the very person who inflicted that pain on them to take him/her to seek medical attention?! Come on, don’t be so naive.

    I completely agree with Ms. Mottley when considering a situation like what I’ve outlined above, however as with any law there needs to be considerable attention paid to it before it is passed. With regards to the same physical abuse, as well as sexual abuse, doctors should be made to alert the necessary authorities if and when they encounter such cases because no child should be put through that.

    As for drugs, ie pharmaceuticals, they should not be sold to minors simply because they can be abused.

    That is all.


  47. @SHAK

    This is an excellent piece of writing. WELL PRESENTED.

  48. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Shakaelu | February 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM |

    An excellent piece. Well thought out without the blinkered perspective of a 2×3 islander.
    Well done!


  49. it is unfortunate that people like old rotten onion, who seems to have a politcal axe to swing at mia does not know when to swing as he constanly misses his target and will continue to miss it, as he is out of his league in dealing with an issue that is a public health issue and a reproductive issue,

    When you are dealing with something of this nature, we should have an understaning and an appreication for the issues that would have called for this change. it is unfortunate that Caswell does not even realize that this issue is a burning one for the international health community. we are guided by what goes on internationally. why do u think that we are treating hiv postive persons earlier than previously, it is because the world health community recorgizes that by treating the virsus earlier than before, transmission is reduced if the viral load becomes undetectable. That was a public health decision guided by evidence based programming. And the proposed change will be done on evidence based programming.

  50. St George's Dragon Avatar
    St George’s Dragon

    Casswell Franklyn is doing us and himself a disservice by presenting this as an issue which will allow child abuse and paedophilia. It is nothing of the sort.
    Should a person aged 16 and over be allowed to consult a doctor without parents’ consent? Absolutely on the basis that 16 is the age of consent (I believe) and also the age at which people can marry.
    Should a person under the age of 16 be able to consult a doctor without parent’s consent? Absolutely as that will allow them to report the effects of paedophilia and child abuse.

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