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Eunice and Owen Johns .Photo: JANE MINGAY

We sit as secular judges serving a multicultural community of many faiths. We are sworn (we quote the judicial oath) to ‘do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will’. The judges acknowledged that there was a “tension” in the case of Mr and Mrs Johns between the rights of individuals to maintain their religious beliefs and the rights of homosexual people to live free from discrimination.Telegraph

A court decision which has the potential to shake the pillars of Barbadian society was recently handed down in England, coincidentally a Commonwealth jurisdiction. Barbados similar to England is a country built on the back of the Christian faith. The decision by a British Court to deny a Christian couple the right be foster carers because of their view on homosexuality will no doubt have wide ranging implications for how countries like Barbados reorder their societies.

The learned judges based the decision on the right of homosexuals to equality which “should take precedence” over the right of Christians to manifest their beliefs and moral values. Contrary to a view held by many Barbadians that our laws are influenced by Christian beliefs the judges were of the mind that “Britain was a “largely secular”, multi-cultural country in which the laws of the realm “do not include Christianity”.

BU’s view on homosexuality should be known, bigoted or not, having posted several blogs on the subject. What is becoming clearer by the day, especially for traditionalists, is the need to accept that Barbados sooner rather than later will have to relaxed its views on homosexuality. Careful observation of the local media reveals that the so-called ‘gay agenda’ is alive and well. To quote the Telegraph, “the ruling in the case of Owen and Eunice Johns, from Derby, is the latest in a series of judgments in which Christians have been defeated in the courts for breaching equality laws by manifesting their beliefs on homosexuality.”

The issue which Barbados will have to resolve is how a country operating in a global village which operates vastly using Christian precepts, a debatable point we know is called to action by this and other recent court rulings in the Motherland. Of interest is the recent stoking of the issue by Bajan homosexuals reputed to have sought asylum in Canada citing intimidation and victimization.

 

 

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  1. Duh, I appreciate it is so difficult for those like you, to understand that our Eternal, Omnipotent Creator, is a personal, loving Heavenly Father, who took the initiative to communicate His Word, to us, through His divinely inspired prophets, and has given to mankind in His written Word, the Bible, what He wants us to know about Him, His plan of salvation for those who believe, and have experienced His Love, Mercy, and Grace, in, by, and through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    No words can adequately convey what it is like to feel, experience and know, with assurance, the awesome presence of His Love, confirming without doubt, what He said, in His Word, the Bible, would happen, when we believe, by faith, reasonable faith, NOT blind faith, whose collective testimony and witness over thousands of years, confirms the historic veracity, not some mythological nonsense, of His Person, cemented in, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Intellectuals, atheist, agnostics, and people from all cultural backgrounds, of every ethnic kind, have ALL found the same living, vibrant, spiritual reality in Christ, that no other religion has, or can offer, as there is One, and Only One Almighty God, who has revealed Himself in One Person, His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, for there is no other Saviour; if this offends others, well, we are warned by Him, Jesus Christ, that the world first hated Him, rejected Him, and would therefore reject and scorn His true, genuine followers!


  2. How can one person become Three people


  3. ac, One person did not become Three people!

    The Father IS eternally the Father,
    The Son IS eternally the Son, and
    The Holy Spirit IS eternally the Holy Spirit.

    This is so as revealed in His Word, the Bible. Take Eternity, enernity is one – timelessness, yet eternity is also threefold, time past, time present, time future!


  4. Zoe, I trust you will answer my question about which of the pairs of countries is to be held up as the good example?


  5. Duh, In the pairs of countries cited, the comparisons list the Protestant regions first, then the Catholic countries, as Church Historian Philip Schaff goes on to assert:

    “…while Protestant countries once proverbial for sterility and barbarism, have been turned, by skill and industry, into gardens, and can boast of a long list of heroes and statemen, philosophers and poets. Whoever, knowing what Italy and Scotland naturally are, and what, four hundred years ago, they actually were, shall now compare the country round Rome with the country round Edinburgh, will be able to form some hudgment as to the tendency of papal domination. The descent of Spain, once the first among monarchies, to the lowest depths of degradation; elevation of Holland, in spite of many natural disadvantages, to a posstion such as no commonwealth so small has ever reached, – teach the same lesson. Who ever passes, in Germany, from Roman Catholic to a Proteatant canton, In Ireland from a Roman Catholic to a Protestant country, finds that he has passed from a lower to a higher grade of civilization. On the other side of the Atlantic, the same law prevails. The Protestants of the United States have left far behind them the Roman Catholics of Mexico, Peru, and Brazil. The Roman Catholics of Lower Canada remain inhert, while the whole continent around them is a ferment with Protestant activity and enterprise.” (History of The Christian Church, Vol VII, p.262)

    These are sound historical facts, wherever Protestantism is contrasted with Roman Catholicism, not only in eras of past centuries, but right up until today, with Protestantism representing, the true liberty of freedom, in all aspects, as taken from God’s Word, the Bible, whereas, Roman Catholicism was and still is, a maze of dictatorial, tyrannical, Popery, seeking to control ones life from cradle to grave, through the utterly unscriptual yoke of a sacerdotal, sacramental priesthood (priestcraft) foriegn to New Testament doctrine.


  6. Re that obvious advertisment that appeared between Duh’s post of March 7, 2011 and ac’s March 7, 2011, that read:

    ‘Pingback: Images of Jesus Christ /Vitality of MORMONISN: Brief Essays on Distinctive Doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints’ (emphasis added).

    To all innocent, uninformed observers here on BU, who are not familiar with Mormonism, Mormons, or the LDS, whose ‘Distinctive’ doctrines are a direct, blatant contradiction, to historic, orthodox Doctrine of God’s Word, the Bible, see the thread on ‘The Reconstruction and Transformation of Haiti: A Global-Moral Imperative, Feb, 2010, when I from Feb 2, 2010, gave an extended exposition on Mormonisn, quoting directly from within authorized Momon Literature, et al, clearly exposing this Cult, and its dangerous false and unscriptural doctrines.


  7. Doesn’t Zoe sound similar to the Muslims, Jews, JWs, Mormons, SDAs, Catholics, Anglicans etc.
    They are all passionate in their beliefs, with some (including Zoe) going to the point of the extremist.
    They all claim to be right, to be the truth but who is???
    One thing I do know from all this blogging on BU………They all need each other to justify each others existence.
    Isn’t life wonderful?!?


  8. @Tech: “…They all need each other to justify each others existence. Isn’t life wonderful?!?

    If you et al haven’t seen it yet, please rent and view Bill Maher’s Religulous.

    Maher is even funnier (and much more coherent) than Zoe….


  9. @Zoe: “Take Eternity, enernity[sic] is one – timelessness…

    Actually, no. Eternity is not one (although I would agree it is one set of values); nor is it timeless.

    To (modern) mathematicians, eternity can be represented as “Let t represent some point in time; Let t=n; n is undefined”. (By inference, n is an infinite set of values.)

    @Zoe: “…yet eternity is also threefold, time past, time present, time future!

    So, from this, then…

    Time present (T) can be represented as n being equal to zero (0) (T=t.)

    Time past (Tp) can be represented as n being a negative number from present (Tp=T-n for some value of n).

    Time future (Tf) can be represented as n being a positive number from present (Tf=T+n for some value of n).

    Care to explain to us again why there is no year zero in the Bible?


  10. Poor Zoe. I regret to say that I am enjoying the beating up he/she (hermaphrodite perchance) is getting. Un-Christian of me I know. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa and I deeplt repent my enjoyment. But it is FUN. Amused is highly amused.


  11. Zoe… I agree protestantism was one of the important stepping stone in human history.

    The removal of authority for the Church and placing individuals in-charge of their own fate is possibly the single most important step towards independence from the bondage of faith and an important step on the road to true freedom.. secularism.


  12. @Zoe’Zoe | March 6, 2011 at 12:05 AM |
    As Mr. Stanton Gittens, I think his name was, at HC, used to say while conducting an oral examine around the class, so say I to the club of BU ‘free thinkers’ hereafter called the ‘Bilge’ nonsense (don’t talk bilge) free thinkers….. Next….jackass stand on the bench….

    —————

    Interesting that you choose him as an ‘example’ to quote. I wonder at his approach to students and his ‘favourite sayings’, such as the one you quote above.

    Another I remember was ‘I could do better with a bloody bunch of monkeys’.

    Probably thought we were. Helluva piano player though.

    Looking back I shudder at the approach of a few of the teachers that we were subjected to, some of whom, on hindsight, seemed to have personality issues, rather than teaching ability.


  13. zoe then is it safe to say that 3people became one person. as far as eternity it is infinite neither male or female.having no ability to change like the Godhead which revealed himself as man in the flesh being called theSon. Then on his return to heavenrevealed himself as The Holy Spirit to his disciples according to Acts.This is truly mindboggling.


  14. Duh, No, it was not, “…a step towards independence from bondage of faith, (but, from bonage of ecclesiastical, RC tyrrany), and yes, secularism has always being there, but, secularism, (godlessness) never brings true freedom, Only Christ can!

    @Crusoe, Yes, I do agree with you, re “…a few of the teachers that we were subjected to…seem to have personality issues, rather than teaching ability.”

    So very true!

    @ac, Yes, the Trinitarian aspect of the Infinite Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is rather incomprehensible, accepted by faith, in His divine revelation of Himself.

    @Amused, I see it is your ‘shift’ at maning the BU ‘Blige’ pump, to keep it flowing, you are faithful, to the Club, its just your turn! OK! As Pigs enjoy playing in Mud, so Blige pumpers, like you, in their asinine folly, would quite naturally find it, “But it is FUN” Exactly so, “Amused is highly amused.” Exactly so, true to form, keept it flowing Bilger!


  15. Halsall, Stop playing foolish games, this is nonsense!

    As Wikipedia gives ample explanation:

    “Year Zero” does NOT exist in the widely used Gregorian calender or in its predecessor, the Julian calender. Under those systems, the year 1 BC is followed by AD1, There is NO Year Zero!

    Halsall, do you have a Zeroth year in your life?

    “Actually, no eternity is not one ( although I would agree it is one set of values) nor is it timeless.”

    Halsall, man, this is philosophy, NOT math! eternity is a different domain of EXISTENCE* from TIME*

    We count BACK to the past, i.e., 500BC is AFTER 1,000BC. 500 BC is 500 years before Christ [a tag past Daniel], and 1000 years is that many before Christ [roughly, time of King david].

    We count forward to the future, i.e., 500AD [about the collapse of the Western Roman Empire] is BEFORE 1,000 [ just before the Norman Conquest of England]

    “Care to explain to us again why there is no year zero in the Bible?”

    Halsall, TOTAL irrelevancy. There is NO zeroth year, just as we count UP to the first birthday!

    What you are attempting to do, will NOT work, and you know it!

    Eternity of ‘being’ Almighty God’s infinite EXISTENCE* is beyond your punny math!

    Deal with it Halsall!


  16. Wow…

    Bilge pumps….extremists….zealots….Bat Cave, we have a true mixture on BU.

    But Osama Bin Zoe takes the cake!!
    LMAO!


  17. Halsall, man, I can’t hear you! Where you gone man?

    Hope you’ve not gone into eternity*, as eternity after our earthly existence has two destinations, Eternal Life with Jesus, OR, Eternal Damnation, NO TIME, in either, just Eternal Peace, Joy, with Him, OR, Eternal misery, estranged from God, in Hell!

    The choice remains ours to make, while the clock is ticking away, (time!) before we enter ETERNITY, no time any more!


  18. @Tchie. “Osama bin Zoe”. I like it. Amused is now even more amused. To quote the inimitable Bonny, Uh cryyiing.

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