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Eunice and Owen Johns .Photo: JANE MINGAY

We sit as secular judges serving a multicultural community of many faiths. We are sworn (we quote the judicial oath) to ‘do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill willโ€™. The judges acknowledged that there was a โ€œtensionโ€ in the case of Mr and Mrs Johns between the rights of individuals to maintain their religious beliefs and the rights of homosexual people to live free from discrimination. โ€“ Telegraph

A court decision which has the potential to shake the pillars of Barbadian society was recently handed down in England, coincidentally a Commonwealth jurisdiction. Barbados similar to England is a country built on the back of the Christian faith. The decision by a British Court to deny a Christian couple the right be foster carers because of their view on homosexuality will no doubt have wide ranging implications for how countries like Barbados reorder their societies.

The learned judges based the decision on the right of homosexuals to equality which โ€œshould take precedenceโ€ over the right of Christians to manifest their beliefs and moral values. Contrary to a view held by many Barbadians that our laws are influenced by Christian beliefs the judges were of the mind that โ€œBritain was a โ€œlargely secularโ€, multi-cultural country in which the laws of the realm โ€œdo not include Christianityโ€.

BUโ€™s view on homosexuality should be known, bigoted or not, having posted several blogs on the subject. What is becoming clearer by the day, especially for traditionalists, is the need to accept that Barbados sooner rather than later will have to relaxed its views on homosexuality. Careful observation of the local media reveals that the so-called โ€˜gay agendaโ€™ is alive and well. To quote the Telegraph, โ€œthe ruling in the case of Owen and Eunice Johns, from Derby, is the latest in a series of judgments in which Christians have been defeated in the courts for breaching equality laws by manifesting their beliefs on homosexuality.โ€

The issue which Barbados will have to resolve is how a country operating in a global village which operates vastly using Christian precepts, a debatable point we know is called to action by this and other recent court rulings in the Motherland. Of interest is the recent stoking of the issue by Bajan homosexuals reputed to have sought asylum in Canada citing intimidation and victimization.

 

 

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  1. Wtf is critical thinking Zoe?!?

    You say what you want….I ask a question…you can’t answer but you insult!!
    You are on record on BU as saying that Israel is a champion of democracy in the ME.
    You are on record on BU as saying voodoo was the main reason for the downfall of Haiti.
    You are on record on BU as saying that New Orleans paid the price for their “ways” with Katrina.
    You are on record on BU as saying the USA’s downfall will be because of their acceptance of homosexuality.
    Yet….it is a known FACT that Israel, your favourite people, God’s chosen people also have gays in abundance.
    My question, that you continue to dodge, is simple…by your logic, why is Israel so successful and flourishing as a nation while others are failing?
    They are doing the same as the US and the others you accuse. Do they get a pass?
    Basic thinking shows me your logic is flawed….critical thinking shows your biases.
    Common sense tells me you are a clown!!



  2. Rubbert that was soooo FUNNY RFLMAO


  3. @islandgal246 | March 4, 2011 at 2:53 PM | . I have nothing to do with Zoe frothing at the mouth. He/she does it naturally. I believe that in medical circles they call it rabies.


  4. Hey all
    I found this on Wiki. . . . . . . .
    ********************************************************************
    Zoe, or Zoรช (from ancient Greek ฮถฯ‰ฮฎ, meaning life)
    ********************
    We all know how much our Zoe likes to quote from Geek texts so maybe he has adopted this alias with some psychological twist.


  5. Sorry, I’ve miss-spelled “Greek”. A Freudian slip perhaps?


  6. Getting away from Zoe and back to the topic. Does the UK allow gay couples to adopt? If so is there not the possibility that their lifestyle can do damage to theiradopted child if the child is heterosexual?

    I would have thought that the court would have to prove that the sexual orientation of a child can be genetically proven. Why do they think that a child would/could grow up to be gay?

    If they have isolated a gene that defines a child as likely to be gay I guess they’ll be able to tell expectant parents that the child will be a boy and he’s likely to be gay! That should give some parents food for thought. Would they want to know, would they care?

    If they have isolated a “gay” gene, then perhaps they should test all children that are up for adoption to check their preference and allocate the gay youths to the gay couples and heterosexuals to their own kind. Perhaps gay couples would not care if their adopted child is heterosexual, or do most parents want their children to be like them.?

    Peace.


  7. No one has found a gay gene… the cause of homosexuality remains speculation.

    UK does allow gay couple to adopt. Children raised by gay couples show no differences than those raised by heterosexual parents

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-9450.00302/abstract


  8. Further reading about child outcomes for anyone so incline

    http://cdp.sagepub.com/content/15/5/241.abstract


  9. Brutality against MoBay gays

    THE EDITOR, Sir: Just after midnight on Sunday, February 20, 2011, four police pickups and a van normally used to transport prisoners descended on the only gay club along the Hip Strip in Montego Bay. About 20 heavily armed policemen jumped from the vehicl…es, aggressively accosting patrons, kicking in doors, beating and pistol-whipping indiscriminately, and chasing everyone from the venue. All the while, the officers hurled homophobic slurs which encouraged patrons of other clubs nearby to join in the melee by throwing bottles, stones and other missiles as individuals fled for their lives. One patron described it as a mob scene, and another who asked a policeman, "If this is how you, as a law-enforcement officer, treat us, how do you expect other people to behave?" was rewarded with several kicks for his effrontery. He later took refuge for several hours in an abandoned building. At least 10 persons were reported to have been treated at hospital for injuries sustained during the raid, while others decided to nurse their wounds at home. This latest attack follows a similar one in Kingston in early February when police, not wearing badges, raided a gay club, pointing guns at patrons and shining powerful flashlights in their faces. On neither occasion did police disclose the purpose of the raids, but they clearly have one intent, namely, to intimidate and remind lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender and intersex individuals that their kind is not welcome in Jamaica, and they certainly don’t have the right to assemble and socialise peacefully. I am, etc., MAURICE TOMLINSON maurice_tomlinson@yahoo.com Montego Bay, St James

    See More


  10. Getting the Facts: Same-Sex Marriage

    The Facts About Homosexual Marriage

    Fact # 1: Homosexual marriages are short lived.

    Why are homosexual marriages shorter and less committed than traditional marriages?

    The Scandinavian Experience.

    Facts # 2: Studies show homosexual marriage is hazardous to one’s health.

    Why is homosexual ‘marriage’ a health hazard?

    Fact # 3: Homosexual ‘marriage’ has the highest rate of domestic violence.

    Homosexual Domestic Violence a Bigger Problem Than ‘Gay Bashing.’

    Fact # 4: Empirical evidence demonstrates that homosexuals make poor parents.

    Molestation and Incest, schools and Family Life; Homosexual parents More Likely to Have Homosexual Children.

    Children of Homosexual Parents Suffer Embarrassment and Isolation.

    Assessing the Facts: What can we conclude?

    For those who are interested in the Facts, see:

    http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02getting-the-facts-same-sex-marriage/.

    http://www. org/index.asp?page=evidence+of+damage+to+children+raised+in+same-sex+households.

    Evidence of damage to children raised in same-sex households; is only obvious, as it is a very dysfunctional domestic setting, contrary to God’s ordained monogamous code, and, as modern research show, it invariably leads to all kinds of terribly unsettled, emotional, health and other kinds of serious problems, not only for the same-sex union, but untold damage for the children raised in such enviornments!


  11. Zoe you are a mental case. I will call a taxi for you , destination Black Rock!


  12. Had a look at Zoe’s link which is to a family research institute – clearly not an unbiased source, but I expect no different. Most of the “research” quoted there seems to be 20 years out of date, but the most recent one was published as recently as 1998 in a highly suspicious journal (It has an impact factor of 0.364, which means it is willing to publish any crap).


  13. Issac Newton published “Principia” in 1687 in which he presented the three universal laws of motion. Did the passage of time invalidate all of his work?


  14. No, but if I wanted to find out how physics works I would not rely on a book published in 1687… I would read the latest articles. The analogy does not hold up unless you contend that research in the field has stopped.


  15. If humankind is to praise God with one voice, our creation as male and female sets before us as task; realization of the community within which and for which we are created. Only as men and women together* in harmony and oneness, do we become full human and realize the divine image. This happens, in part and paradigmatically, in marriage, of a man and a woman.

    The sexual differentiation is, initially and fundamentally, biological; in order that the image* of God, in which we were created, may come to fruition in a community of those who are united, yet different.

    The family, therefore, formed when marriage gives rise to children is itself both a biological and historical comunity. Through the family, Dad and Mum, we are embedded in the world of nature, as God intended, and are marked by lines of kinship and descent, and are from birth individuals within a communal bond. Hence, our sense of self is deeply involved in the biological bond. Parents are not simply reproducing themselves; but, when from their oneness, they beget a new human being, equal to them, Father and Mother, in dignity, that act testifies to the truth that by God’s blessings such mutal love can be a creative, productive, community.

    Therefore, the family unit of Father, Mother, children is also a community upon which is LAID a cultural, historical task; transmission of a way of life.

    Whenever, this God ordained structure is severed, disrupted, infringed upon by diviant homosexualist trends, the results are devastating to the children, regardless of if the resesarch is hundreds of years ago, 20 years ago, or most recently, as when ever the truth* of God’s ordained structure is not adhered to, any given society, be it ancient or modern, will gradually disintegrate, with all kinds of socio/ecomonic, and political problems!


  16. @ Zoe,

    _Please tell us of the immoral homosexual behaviour that caused the demise of the Great Aztec and Inca Empires. Please, be honest, it was called Christianity! Priests and monks hanged the natives by the 13s as a symbol of one jesus and his twelve disciples, then fed the bodies to their dogs. Go Away Zoe, please do.

    @ ac and Techie: pisceans rule! I celebrated last Friday, the 25th in Bim. Now I am back home in the Great North.


  17. @ Pat
    Welcome to the Club. We are free thinkers. Glad to hear you had a Happy Birthday! in Bim the land of fish and coucou! They are many Pisces here on BU some who are very outspoken. Not me Douh ! Pisces are also very talented and creative people and usually are a little ahead of the game !


  18. Pat, the Aztec and Inca civilizations were deeply rooted in typical, rampant idolatry* the worship and veneration of a multiplicity of false, demonic gods* deities, all of which IS an afront and contempt for the One, True, and Living God, of historic divine revelation, as revealed in His Word, the Bible.

    Re the Roman Catholic church, its Popes, priest, monks, etc, etc, who were around at the time of the Aztec civilization et al, let it be clearly understood, the RC religious/political institution, was NOT, then, NOR is it now, a Christian denomination, it has masqueraded under the banner of Christianity, for over 1600 years, and has done the greatest disservice to the cause of the True Gospel of Christ; Catholicism IS the Whore of Revelation Chapter 17, the Mother of Harlots, etc, so, what happened to the Aztecs under RC’s hands, was NOT inflicted on them by Christians.

    BTW, Homosexuality, and all other forms of sexual depravity, is just another expression of idolatry, all of which will ultimately bring God’s Wrath, and runiation on any society!


  19. Zoe, you are beynbd belief.

    How could people without TV, telephones, etc., know of one little man who lived in the Middle East, separated from them by several oceans? Do you now see why you get knocked for not thinking analytically? How do you know that the Aztecs and Incas were not worshipping True Gods? Are you the Big Boss Engineer Creator?

    Zoe, please go back to bed.


  20. Pat, I thought you were a well educated person, obviously not; as you are not aware of common historical facts, re the Aztec and Incan civilizations, and their cemented worship of false gods* is well documented.

    You and many others need to get acquainted with what is sound, analytical, critical thinking, what is entailed, what it is all about, and BTW, welcome to the ‘club’ of so-called free thinker* here on BU, keep the unfounded, uninformed, foundationless, bilge, bunk, rot, coming, please do, for it, gives rise to the Truth, which will always be victorious, as it can be surpressed, but never put out!


  21. Then let us talk about the rampant homosexuality in Israel !!
    Do you deny this Zoe?!?
    Will they suffer the wrath of God as a nation just like the others?
    @ Pat…
    Glad you had a great time in Bim and the birthday….I celebrate for the month but my day is the 13th. I am in NYC for a while now so I will do it here as I am reaching a nice milestone.


  22. Zoe you noticed i have not pounced on your creative way of analysising bibilcal or other events or occurences in the lives of mankind. You are free to think whatever you think as well as others would likely do the same.
    BTW I’ve noticed your username represents part of the word ZO_DIAC . as well as mine represents the last part i.e AC. is that a coincidence or part of divine intervention!


  23. @Techie
    i alwas thought we had something in common. the number 13, Also and Hopi .I think kiki is a Pisces! Good people aren’t we!


  24. @ac…..

    That we are!!

    Pay Zoe no mind….I am still waiting on him to speak about the rampant homosexuality in the land of God’s chosen people. The Jewish people have a gay agenda similar to the USA but Zoe will always beat up on Haiti and anyone else.
    I also wonder what cause the demise of the native American….homosexuality?…..idolatry?


  25. Techie, you’re up late in the belly of the beast. Be careful what you post over there as they’ll be checking certain key words!

    Thank goodness that we are all created with the ability to develop in various ways. Life would be very dull without our differences and the character development needed to come to terms with those differences.

    Some people believe that all that we know now is all there is and ever will be, religions like empires also fall and fade. At one time the universal (Catholic Church) was all powerful, it has been fragmented and losing souls daily.

    Man made evolution is called revolution and comes about partly because of ‘new’ ways of doing things, which is mostly adaptations of the old way of doing things.

    Peace


  26. As Mr. Stanton Gittens, I think his name was, at HC, used to say while conducting an oral examine around the class, so say I to the club of BU ‘free thinkers’ hereafter called the ‘Bilge’ nonsense (don’t talk bilge) free thinkers….. Next….jackass stand on the bench….next….Pat you wouldn’t know….Technician…you would never know…. et al, who are member of the Free-thinkers, Bilge club, keep the blige pump in your brains flowing, as backups, in such a system can be very dangerous!!!!


  27. @ Zoe…

    Have you ever been married and divorced?

    If yes ….why didn’t you apply this logic to your life?
    If no…. what do you know?


  28. @Pat. Right on, girl. And Happy Birthday!!!! Poor old Zoe. Not an original or what is worse, current, thought in his/her head. The master/mistress of irrelevant and out-dated cut and paste.

    In the spirit of cut and paste, therefore, I offer the following:

    ZOE
    Gender: Feminine
    Usage: English, Greek, Ancient Greek
    Other Scripts: ฮ–ฯ‰ฮท (Greek)
    Pronounced: ZO-ee (English) [key]
    Means “life” in Greek. From early times it was adopted by Hellenized Jews as a translation of EVE. It was borne by two early Christian saints, one martyred under emperor Hadrian, the other martyred under Diocletian. The name was common in the Byzantine Empire, being borne by a ruling empress of the 11th century. As an English name, Zoe has only been in use since the 19th century. It has generally been more common among Eastern Christians (in various spellings).


  29. So we can hypothesise from the above that Zoe is not a queen, but an empress.


  30. Amused, You’re duefully excused, as you carry out your function as one of the foremost Free Thinking, ‘Bilge’ exponents on BU, keep it flowing, I undestand, your necessity to keep the Bilge coming, otherwise you might choke on it!!!


  31. @Zoe. The โ€œbilgeโ€ I choke on is the bovine excretions of the self-appointed โ€œlifeโ€. I donโ€™t expect you to understand me. Never mind, poor soul, most others do. So, a happy cut and paste to you this fine day. May Ctrl C and Ctrl V never let you down and may the bird of paradise fly up any orifice that you have exposed to it, tiara and all. Pace.


  32. FYI, Amused, I have NEVER cut and pasted anything I have posted here on BU.

    BTW, Amused, the choking you’re experiencing would sure to be, from your own BE, the lower end of the area you already operate from, with the ‘Bilge’ from above, forming the ‘Pit’ you expound from!

    You would know nothing about the Life* that only Jesus can impart, as it is foriegn to the darkness* you dwell in; as Light* cannot cohabitate with darkness, you abode!

  33. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Duh | March 4, 2011 at 2:55 AM |
    Many civilizations only failed after they were introduced to Christianity.

    Really?

    Did not the Egyptian, Babylonian, Medes and Persians. Assyrians and Greeks predate Christianity? Duh!
    Nothing has changed on BU.


  34. GP “Many” is not the same as “all”… do not make strawman arguments… you should be better than that.


  35. Page 10 of The Advocate.


  36. Duh, kindly quote and show from documented historical sources, where, when and how, according to you, many civilization failed after they were introduced to Christianity!


  37. Ok, how about the Romans, all of the civilizations in the Americas for a start, and I am sure I can find a few in western and southern Africa if I tried… If you look at the times that these empires fell, they all occurred after they were introduced to Christianity.

    But before we get too side tracked, the point the I was making is that you can correlate any number of thing with the rise and fall of civilizations, but correlation does not equal causation, and I do not think that it is possible to show causes for civilization fall, especially given the fragmented and biased sources that we rely upon for knowledge about those civilizations.

    Using correlative arguments from history is often away of hiding bias.. people see patterns where they want to see them… as was pointed out in a very interesting article on BU recently.


  38. Duh, care to define for us, the core values, moral, spiritual, religious, of the Romans before their demise, and any other civilizations, Americas, African, vis-a- vis historic, orthodox, Christianity?


  39. BTW, Duh, Historic, Apostolic, orthodox Christianity, and especially from the Reformation period onwards, secured freedom in religion, and as a legitimate consequence, also intellectual, political and civil freedom, unlike any other era before, as all ancient civilizations, were awash in Paganism, abuse of woman, child sacrifices, homosexuality, temple prostitutes, both male and female, any wonder that they came to runiation, and crumbled, when, God’s Word, the Bible, with its instruction and comfort became accessible to all.

    This is the truimphant vindication of true, Apostolic Christianity, as it spread to other nations, who were in bonadge to ancient Paganism, in its varied and manifested forms, which kept its people in spiritual darkness, immoral debauchery, as light, always disples darkness, life always displaces death, and ignorance gives way to knowledge!


  40. No Zoe, I would not.. because it is not germane to the topic and I have other things to do with my life than satisfy your research requests :D.

    But it sounds to me that you have conceded my point, that many other civilizations failed after contact with Christianity, even if from your point of view this is a good thing. Though I would differ as it involved the genocide and enslavement of entire peoples.

    and a second point Christian Europe (and the rest of the world) has always been awash with abuse of women, prostitution of all kinds, homosexuality and many other “sins” and abominations. Christianity does not have a monopoly on virtuous or evil behavior.

    But Zoe, realize that I am not trying to convince you of anything… I know you can not be convinced.. no one is so blind as he who refuses to see :p.


  41. Duh, Paganistic and Polytheistic civilizations, would inevitably fail, as they always do, as Almighty God’s righteous judgment comes upon them, in the face of His Truth, the Bible.

    Further, whatever genocide and enslavement of any people, during the spread of Christianity, was NOT committed at the hands of genuine believers, but, by those charlatans who falsely professed Christianity, using ‘religion’ NOT Christianity, as a mask to enslave others.

    Duh, I don’t expect you to fathom this reality, having not consulted the libraries of the informed, hence, your ignorance (lacking knowledge, facts, evidence) renders you in a state of continued blindness!

    You must stop lighting a candle to see the Sun!


  42. Well we will have to await the downfall of the non-Christian world to see if you are right, though the continued success of non-Christian or even abrahamic states like China and India does make that outcome seem unlikely.

    Out of curiosity, you say that the horrors perpetuated by the Europeans where not the act of genuine Christians, which makes me wonder if there has there even been a genuine Christian state? What state past or present, would you hold up as a role model for the rest of us?


  43. The following historic facts, though they vividly contrast Protestant, genuine Christianity, to Heathenistic Roman Catholicism, nevertheless, bring home the point of the liberating aspects of genuine Christianity.

    “Compare for proof Protestant Germany under Wiliam I., with Roman-Catholic Germany under Maximilian I.; England under Queen Victoria, with England under Henry VII.; Calvinistic Scotland and Lutheran Scandinavia in the ninteenth century, with Roman Scotland and Scandinavia in the fifteenth. Look at the origin and growth of free Holland and free North America. Contrast England with Spain of the present day; Prussia with Austria; Holland with Portugal; the United States and Canada with older Mexico and Peru or Brazil. Consider the teeming Protestant literature in every department of learning, science and art; and countless Protestant churches, schools, colleges universities, charitable institutions and missionary stations scattered all over the globe. Surely, the Reformation can stand the test: ‘by their fruit ye shall know them.” (History of The Christian Church, Volume VII, p.260).

    Obviously the seeds of this great period of Modern Christianity, that brought such liberty to the world, through the preaching and teaching of God’s Word, the Bible, and its fruit, to mankind, simply cannot be refuted, as the results were/are all there to see.

    However, we are NOW in the era, season, of End-Time prophetic consummation, with the rise of abased secularization, humanism, atheism, cultural relativism, homosexualism, Islamic Jihadism, and the list goes on, with mankind throughout the world in Crisis, groping in spiritual darkness, and folly, with the Prophetic time-table, as declared in God’s Word, the Bible, all coming to pass exactly as HE said it would!


  44. But Zoe if this is indeed His plant surely you should be welcoming the rise of homosexuality etc after all this is His plan, it is what He has ordained, by your argument.

    After all, this needs to happen so that the the Second Kingdom may come.

    Should we not therefore rejoice in this decision of the British high court?


  45. Duh, No, we are not called to ever rejoice at any SIN, and God did NOT ordain homosexuality, in His Omnscience, He knew the beginning from the end, having given mankind ‘freedom’ of choice, to either follow Him, OR, the ways of Sin, that lead to destruction and death.

    Because we are told and warned that mankind’s sinful bent, will increasingly get worse, as it is now happening, and persection of Christians will intensify, and it is, we are incouraged to Lift up our hearts and lives toward the Glorious Second Coming our our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen & Amen!!!


  46. STUUUUUUUUUUPSE!!!


  47. Zoe, it is truly impressive how clearly you know the mind of God and his/her intentions.

    So for further clarification, in the pairs of countries listed above it is not clear from the quoted text which is the “good” situation and which is the “bad” situation… i.e. which is supposed to be better England under Queen Victoria or England under Henry VII?


  48. Was that real GP commenting on MArch 6 2011/11.08pm Inquiring minds want to know!

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