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Submitted by Terence Blackett
The problem of the twentieth century is the problem of the color lineW.E.B. DuBois

Today the Black man still bears the Cross of Jesus Christ as Simon of Cyrene did on that most fateful day in earth’s history. As those Caucasoid Roman soldiers whipped, beat, insulted and spat upon my Lord and as those who called themselves Abraham’s children (Jews) and are not (crying vociferously, “let his blood be upon us and our children”) – but are of the Synagogue of SATAN* heckled, cajoled, laughed, maligned, jeered and scoffed as Jesus wobbled, stumbled and fell under the weight of the cross. Simon (the 13th Disciple) bore His burden up the hill.

And so upon the back of the Black man fell that cross of shame – a symbolic, archetypal reminder to Black folks everywhere throughout the ages that upon their shoulders rest the long arduous process of salvation for humanity. What Simon of Cyrene accomplished in the flesh for our beloved Lord and Saviour – we as the progenitors of that fulfilment would have to carry for mankind right down until the end of time.

Yet many still ask, but are not Black folks “the least in their Father’s house”?

What constitutes greatness can largely be a matter of opinion. Jesus reminds us that the least is oftentimes the greatest amongst us and MUST* be a “servant” to all – and the “first” will be the “last” and the “last” will be the “first”.

Do we consider a man’s greatness in part due to the degree to which his life and actions affect humanity for generations?

Had Napoleon been forced to stay on the island of Corsica – would the seeds of his destiny as Emperor become historical evident or would he not have become one of those flowers born to bloom” remaining unseen and waste in the sweetness of the desert air?

As the subject of this discourse implies, many have bought into the “lies” of history regarding the greatest group of people God created on planet earth. Though disobedient on every level (and now “last”) – they have remained unparalleled as a force of nature especially when history is given the true resonance it deserves. Blacks began civilization and they will end it!

Post-deluvian history in Genesis 10:6–20 paints an account of the dispersal of the nations within the Mesopotamian Valley of IRAQ*. This geographical area known as the cradle of civilization from which emerged the world’s first known Black King (NIMROD) – the most powerful Black man that ever lived (after the Flood), who according to Scripture was “a mighty hunter before God” and someone who ruled from the stratospheric heights of the Tower of Babel. Historical accounts presuppose that no physical human structure like it exist today on the earth. Even with the Burj Khalifa which stands at [2,716.5FT] in downtown Dubai – it remains as an insignificant structure compared to the Tower of Babel.

In Genesis 11:6, God saw that the intent of the people’s heart was based on such solid “UNITY” that they would have literally built a stairway into the heavens. The story of Babel is truly profound because the Black man still struggles unlike any other race with this issue of “unity”. We all seem to speak a different language – often from a position of defence. Our focus is too tribal; too linguistic; too individualistic. Our focus like the kingdom of Nimrod is on building material edifices without any real tailored, spiritual accountability. As the Bible remind us – “Unless the LORD GOD* builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD GOD* watch the city in the night, in vain do the watchmen keep vigil.”

The post-exodus of mankind from the kingdom of Nimrod, resulting in Ham taking his son Mizraim and went off to Africa. Mizraim whose name is Egypt became the land from which Jacob’s family of [70] plus Joseph who was already Prince of Egypt, his wife Asenath, (the daughter of an African priest) and their [2] sons would call home for the next 430 years. Of the [70] who entered Egypt (this powerful Black nation) according to Scripture only (4) of them were female, (Asher’s granddaughter, Jacob’s daughter Dinah who had been raped, Leah & Zilpah).

For all the religious BIGOTS* who do not possess a shred of intellectual, far less spiritual honesty, it would be nigh impossible for them to acknowledge that the JEWISH* people began as a “RACE” of people (WHO DUE TO INTERMARRIAGE) were Black or for ethnological correctness – biracial where [66] men and [4] Israelite females were meant to keep the bloodline Semitic.

By the time God had decided to deliver the Israelites out of African bondage – a new despotic Pharaoh had emerged to wage ethnic genocide because of the population statistics in Goshen, Egypt. A new “hybrid” specie of Black folks had morphed into the landscape threatening to become a majority.

On the scene of action was another prince of Egypt (a Hebrew), Moses who had grown up in Pharaoh’s house. He was to be the deliverer of this people after spending some [40] years in Jethro’s house (a Black Midianite high priest) who knew of the true worship of YAHWEH long before even the children of Israel had been given a single commandment from God.

Scripture reminds us also that Moses’ Black Ethiopian wife Zipporah was at the center of ethnic, racial strife between Moses’ sister Miriam and others (due in no part to jealousy and stupidity) and would have suffered the retributive justice of a NO-NONSENSE God had Moses not arbitrarily intervened.

Right through the historical document of Old Testament Scripture, is peppered and laced with references, scenes, acts, stories and prominent roles by powerful Black men and women who altered the course of human history and destiny. This discourse is limited in its citations of what can be accredited to God’s original people but the proof is in the pudding. Taste and see that the Lord is good!

As a result of the flawed thinking and the misconceptualization of Scripture – we sadly arrived at medieval pre-Renaissance history – where the pendulum of time has swung decisively and indiscriminately towards those who would rule the world based on Daniel Chapter 3.

By the time Greece and Rome arrived on the world scene, Caucasoid people were in the ascendancy and set out to concoct a damnable lie* of historic proportions. This damnable heresy is then used as fuel and fodder for the next millennium to brainwash and indoctrinate the world into believing that the Black man had no major place, part or role in the Biblical historical narrative (and if so, to a diminished extent) but most importantly, that the descendants of Ham were a “cursed people” – a ploy to upstage and steal the most important vestiges of Black history.

Caucasian ministers, anthropologists, social historians, eugenicists and others throughout the Reformation period of the 16th century taught that the Black man was cursed based on the pronouncement in Genesis 9:24-25.

The Church spearheading this diabolical lie, gave sanction to the capitalists “rift-raft”, dodgy speculators and amoral profiteers to embark on a 400 year-old quest to squeeze every last drop of blood out of the soul of the Black man because as Scripture had said – “a slave shall he be to others”.

The conundrum of Scripture however for many so-called intellectual Biblical scholars is that Ham was not cursed (the “one” who saw his father’s nakedness) but Noah’s grandson Canaan – and many still ask why? Those who think they are so enlightened can provide a meaningful answer as to why this occurred.

Today, the modern Judeo-Christian construct is actually a matrix of disavowal of basic historical factors, [premises] and conclusions. According to Dr. Walter Arthur McCray in his book – “The Black Presence in the Bible: Discovering THE BLACK and African Identity of Biblical persons and nations, he argues that “one of the more enlightening aspects of the study of the Black presence in the Bible has to do with the ethnological make-up of the Old Covenant community. Here we are speaking of the Blackness, whether implicit or explicit, of the Hebrew-Israelite-Judahite-Jewish people spanning the centuries from Abraham, the father of the Hebrew people with whom God entered into Covenant, down to Jesus Christ Himself, the Promised Messiah of God.” (p.122)

McCray further opines that “it is indeed possible for us to demonstrate [1] the Blackness of the Covenant-Messianic community; [2] the Blackness of the Messianic genealogical line; and [3] the Blackness of the Messiah Himself, Christ Jesus The Lord.” (Ibid)

The problem is – unravelling centuries of false indoctrination, brain (white) washing, lies and misinformation will be a mammoth task given the entrenched nature of our belief system but work we must to destroy the last barriers of resistance.

In conclusion, the New Testament like the OT is also peppered with historical accounts of Black privilege, involvement and control. Dr. John S. Mbiti, in his book “African Religions and Philosophy” argues that “the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch (Black Queen Candace’s Treasurer) described in the Acts of the Apostles predates Paul’s 1st missionary journey into Europe by several years. There is clear, historical documentation of the BLACK church in Africa by the 3rd century. Christianity was the dominant religion in North Africa and most notably Egypt. Egyptian and North African scholars such as Clement, Origen, Tertullian, and Athanasius are widely recognized as fathers of the church. One of the most undeniable instances was Lucius of Cyrene who with his comrade in Antioch, Simeon, who was called Niger – Niger simply means “Black.”

He contends that “by the year 300, Egypt had more than a million Christians. In the 6th century, Christianity spread to the Nubian Kingdoms, soon becoming the dominant religion. The Christian Nubian Kingdoms survived for 700 years, resisting attempted domination by Muslim conquerors for 600 of those years. The Egyptian Coptic Church in the Sudan and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church still exist today. Though persecuted, their presence is testimony to the historicity of Christianity in Africa.”


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372 responses to “The Judeo-Christian Matrix: “Simon of Cyrene” and the “Cross of Humanity’s Shame” – The “White Religious Lie” Which Sought To Undermine the Pivotal Role of the Black Man in Biblical Literature”


  1. Isn’t it SO TRUE.
    The Beginning of Knowledge.

    “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom and INSTRUCTION” (Prov. 1: 7)

    The Call of Wisdom

    “Wisdom calls aloud outside: She raises her voice in the open squares. She CRIES out in the chief concourses. At the opening of the gates in the city, She speaks her words: HOW LONG, you SIMPLE ONES, will you love SIMPLICITY? For SCORNERS delight in their SCORNING, And FOOLS hate knowledge.” (Prov. 1: 20-22) emphasis added.

    “Do not correct a SCOFFER, lest he will HATE you: Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser. Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.” (Prov. 8-9)

    “If you are wise, you are wise for yourself. And IF you SCOFF, you will bear IT ALONE.” (Prov. 9: 12)

    “Understanding is a WELLSPRING of life to him who has it. BUT the correction of FOOLS is FOLLY” (Prov. 16: 22)

    “He who answers a matter BEFORE he hears it, It is FOLLY and shame to him.” (Prov. 17: 13)

    “Do not speak in the hearing of a FOOL, For he will DESPISE the wisdom of your words.” (Prov. 23: 9).

    Yes, LORD, your WORD is absolute, and FOREVER settled in Heaven!


  2. Black is the original colour of man . Black skin was given to us not by chance but for a purpose . Human skin is black/ brown because it has a high levels of melanin which protects us from the ultravoilet radiation from the Sun. Research in both animals and humans clearly show that white skin is really skin that is depigmented (loss of melanin).
    White skin is not natural , it only occur when there is a
    genetic defect that block /reduces melanin production. Several mutations have been identified that lead to depigmented skin(white skin):
    MC1R (Melanocotin 1 receptor) gene
    OCA2 (Oculocutaneous Albinism type 2) gene
    the tyrosinase (TYR) gene
    SLC45A2 gene
    TYRP1 (tyrosinase related protein 1) gene
    SLC24A5
    KIT gene.
    Virtually all caucasians carry a mutation of the SLC24A5.
    Depigmenting Disorders: albinism & vitiligo .
    God made man from the earth (black fertile earth).
    God made man in his image. The original man /the first man was black and was born in Africa.
    Imagine a caucasian Adam & Eve with hardly any clothes in the sorching Sun .

  3. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Techy,

    Check out this video on the evolution of skin colour before engaging BT on this subject… always a good idea to arm yourself with some science before de Bushman start LOL

    http://www.ted.com/talks/nina_jablonski_breaks_the_illusion_of_skin_color.html


  4. (meditations).
    People should be judged by what’s in their heart, their character and personality more than anything else.


  5. jesus says”i am the way ! the truth !and the life” If Jesus ask for us to seek the Truth and he is an example of Truth. Wouldn’t it be incumbent on man to explore all avenues seekin and finding the truth no matter where it would lead or the possibilty that it may change or way of thinking. The study of Jesus color is an example of what we should know and ought to know that does not however take anything away from his teachings. The Word was made man and dwell amongst us. Therefore why should man not explore his likeness and Him who we worshipped! Then who is this Man with whom so many identify with that dwell among us?


  6. @ GP.
    I disagree skin colour is not incidental.
    “The highest incidence rates of melanoma are reported from (essentially European migrant populations in) Australia and New Zealand (non-Maori population) where the annual incidence is more than double the highest rates recorded in Europe. Incidence rates have been increasing rapidly for several decades in all Caucasian populations…” – Anals of Oncology vol. 15 issue 1.


  7. @ MME
    Nina is talking patent nonsense!
    Typical presentation from someone who starts wrong and then goes on to build a huge structure.

    The essence of her argument is that depending on where you live for a number of generations, your descendants will end up black or white.

    The bushman is disappointed in you MME! Obviously while climate will have an impact on the degree of darkness or lightness, the determining factor is melanin. Unless she is referring to intermarriage gradually diluting melinin levels she is spitting in the air.

    @ black panther
    Man take it easy. EVERYBODY (and their cousins) know that the original humans were BLACK. Also without question is that the only physically COMPLETE human being has to come with the required levels of melanin.

    Races without melanin are DEFICIENT. (and when creation was completed, BBE looked at the results and declared all to be perfect – ie no defects)

    When a large number of former blacks lost their melanin back ‘before the days of NASA and suntan lotion’, the NATURAL thing for them to do was to head for cooler climates.

    The general dispersion of races by climate is therefore a result of races naturally tending to move to areas of possible survival and comfort – rather than the climate causing the particular race to ‘evolve’.

    Who in their right mind in 1500 BC would leave Africa and move to Gaul – unless their very survival depended on it….


  8. Ater two sentences from Nina . I found it to be less than thought
    provoking. Nothing new to learned!

    @ Bush Tea

    Who is the everybody . I don’t think so !The theologist here on BU has yet to accept that the original Man was blackskinned. Or if they did they are afraid to say so openly because it would put a stained on the Jesus they worshipped causing a sesimic shift of biblical proportions in their thinking and that we can’t have.

  9. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    BT,

    I think u better stick to parables and leave out de science yuh.

    “The general dispersion of races by climate is therefore a result of races naturally tending to move to areas of possible survival and comfort – rather than the climate causing the particular race to ‘evolve’.”

    Whu? LOL… so tell me, did these tetra fish also migrate to caves for survival after they lost their melanin? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mexican_Tetra_as_Blind_Cave_Fish.jpg

  10. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Look… if you keep dis up you gine make Not Saved come out of hibernation. I only trying to keep you out of trouble ROTFL


  11. By 1500 BC all the present colours of humankind were already in existence. Try 1 500 000 BC instead. But then ask yourself if Africa then, was climatically and bio geographically as it is now.

    Why did a large number of Blacks lose their melanin? Was there an inherent “glitch” in the creation? Was this loss spontaneous?

    Also those who like to promote the evolutionists view of a single African ancestor of all mankind please realise that this “Eve” was a 3 foot tall hominid that if around today would be in a zoo [nothing at all like our beautiful Black people of today].


  12. @ MME
    You serious??!!
    I give you a serious argument and you post a blind fish?

    OK check this!!

    It is 1500 BC. One day, you and your whole neighborhood in the middle of Africa wake up and find wanna selves white as …. ok white.

    First thing, the sun feeling even hotter.
    …. then the witch doctors start looking at you funny…
    …. children coming down with skin cancer
    …. mostly, you look REAL strange and got funny eyes

    …… you telling the Bushman that you won’t head north with your clan?

    This is a no brainer MME….. what Not saved what??

    @ ac
    Let the Bushman qualify the statement.
    Anyone who knows anything, knows that the original man (and woman) were black.

    Jesus lived in Africa. He looked like everyone else in Africa – so much so that in order to crucify him, the ‘police’ needed someone who knew him to betray him with a kiss.

    Once before, when they tried to arrest him, he ‘melted away’ in the African crowd.
    …..Think Jimmy Swaggart could do that?


  13. black panther | October 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM |
    @ GP.
    I disagree skin colour is not incidental.
    “The highest incidence rates of melanoma are reported from (essentially European migrant populations in) Australia and New Zealand (non-Maori population) where the annual incidence is more than double the highest rates recorded in Europe. Incidence rates have been increasing rapidly for several decades in all Caucasian populations…” – Anals of Oncology vol. 15 issue
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Sir, you can off course believe what you like, but you have failed to connect your first sentence to the Pathology you cited. You are clearly a cutter and paster, but you understandeth not what you have copied asnd pasted obviously. And you have failed to relate it to the argument that went before, as the usual BU babbler does,

    Where do you expect the higest incidence of melanoma to be? Not in Australia where these folk have a lifestyle in which they spend much time out doors. Would this not lead to thymine dimers secondary to UV light and failure of DNA repair and consequently melanoma?
    Does this mean that black persons do not get melanoma, as I said earlier? NO you know that there is a very high % rate close to us in Saba too? And for the very same reason as in Australasia?

    Having been taught by excellent persons who were actually trained in Pathology, and having taught some Pathology myself do you really believe that I need you to fail in your pathetic attempt to teach me about the epidemiology of melanomas?


  14. @ ping pong
    Good to see you still smashing some wicked shots on the table….. LOL
    Cuddear, Hope you didn’t take the 1500 BC too serious….correction taken.

    You asked’….
    “Why did a large number of Blacks lose their melanin?”
    **********************************************
    The Bushman will give one of the bible gurus a chance to answer this one for you first…

    With respect to the ‘evolutionist view’ promoted by those wanting to appear to be scholars (and suppressing their commonsense in the process)… let us leave them for another thread… LOL


  15. @Zoe
    In what year was Jesus born? -1452/ 100AD /200BC.
    How long did he spend on earth?
    When will he come back?
    Why is there no female in the trinity ( father, son & holy ghost) ?
    Did the Christians copy/plagiarise the Ancient Egyptian Triad ( Osiris the father, Horus the son & Isis the mother ) ?
    Does “Jesus” mean “Hail Zeus” in Greek ?
    There are many images of the Black Madonna(Virgin) & Child in churches in Europe , even in the Vatican. What is the origin of the Black Modonna & Child ?
    Did the Christians copy the image of the Virgin Mary & Child from the images of Isis & baby Horus found in Africa (Ancient Egypt & Sudan/Nubia) ?
    Judaism’s most sacred book , the Talmud , contains many admonitions to kill Gentiles and Christians. Kindly comment on this.
    The Babylonian Talmud is considered a very holy book by most Christians ; yet most have never seen one or read one.

    “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night (Talmud, Midrasch Talpiothe).”

    Talmud, Sepher or Israel 177b: “If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin.”
    Talmud ,Sanhedrin 106a . Says Mary was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.” Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the “uncensored” text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, “Miriam the hairdresser,” had sex with many men.

    Talmud ,Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: “On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged…Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?”
    Zoe & other Christians can go to Jerusalem and become Jews.


  16. BT
    Re OK check this!!
    It is 1500 BC. One day, you and your whole neighborhood in the middle of Africa wake up and find wanna selves white as …. ok white.
    WHY SHOULD THIS HAPPEN TO BLACKS THEN?
    WHY IS IT NOT HAPPENING NOW OR SINCE?

    First thing, the sun feeling even hotter.
    THIS IS APPARENTLY SO NOW. ISNT THAT SO?
    DO YOU SEE ANY BLACKS IN THE TROPICS OR IN COLDER CLIMES BECOMING WHITE AS A RESULT? IS THERE ANY IMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR THIS……then…….or now ?

    …. then the witch doctors start looking at you funny…
    …. children coming down with skin cancer
    …. mostly, you look REAL strange and got funny eyes
    …… you telling the Bushman that you won’t head north with your clan?

    Anyone who knows anything, knows that the original man (and woman) were black.
    LETS ASUME THAT YOU ARE CORRECT.
    CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ORIGIN OF WHITE FOLK BY USING SIMPLE MENDELIAN INHERITANCE? IF TWO PURE BLACKS MATE WHAT WILL BE THE COLOR OF THEIR OFFSPRING?
    Jesus lived in Africa. He looked like everyone else in Africa – so much so that in order to crucify him, the ‘police’ needed someone who knew him to betray him with a kiss. Once before, when they tried to arrest him, he ‘melted away’ in the African crowd. Once before, when they tried to arrest him, he ‘melted away’ in the African crowd.
    ARE YOU SERIOUS
    HOW DO THE POLICE IDENTIFY AND CATCH BLACKS HIDING AMONG BLACKS ALL OVER THE WORLD?
    I AM SURE YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT BT? DO YOU REALIZE THAT THERE ARE TWITS ON BU THAT WOULD BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE?


  17. GP

    you done know that all black people look alike to White people! LOL.


  18. @ GP
    That post was meant for MME. I feel sure that he understands where BT is coming from….. also expects that you wouldn’t.


  19. @ GP
    Don’t attack me take it to the persons who published the paper / bring your own paper or shut up.


  20. @ GP
    WHY SHOULD THIS HAPPEN TO BLACKS THEN?
    WHY IS IT NOT HAPPENING NOW OR SINCE?
    *******************************************
    Would you like to explain the story of Naaman and Elisha and Gehazi? or must the bushman do that too…

  21. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Man yuh back off that 1500 BC fast enough… I thing I going to like this ping pong fella LOL

    You doan like fish? Well what about those poor polar bears who wake up one morning white and the brown bears started to look at them funny… forcing them to head North? LOL


  22. @GP
    GP read this:
    “Although the population lives in a higher latitude, the incidence of and death rate from skin cancer is approximately the same in Sweden as it is in England and Wales.” – BJC ,vol 26(1), Feb,1972.
    The demographics of England, Wales ,Sweeden & Australia are
    similar ( mainly European stock)
    Skin cancer can occur in any group but Europeans carry the highest risk.
    Sweden, in the north part of Europe, the capital(Stockholm ) is 59 degrees North latitude .Northern sweeden lies in the artic circle (66 degrees North latitude.) Most of Sweden has a temperate climate but the most northern part has a subarctic climate.
    Wales capital (Cardiff) is 51 degrees North latitude.


  23. Bush Tea | October 10, 2010 at 10:49 PM |
    @ GP
    That post was meant for MME. I feel sure that he understands where BT is coming from….. also expects that you wouldn’t.
    So enlighten me then. Because I understand straight forward English

    Re “ the only physically COMPLETE human being has to come with the required levels of melanin. Races without melanin are DEFICIENT .”
    Perhaps this quote was for MME too. But can you enlighten me on this too.

    Yes you can explain to me the story of Gehazi and Naaman too.

    Ping Pong | October 10, 2010 at 10:41 PM |
    GP
    you done know that all black people look alike to White people! LOL
    Apparently the white people with whom I have associated all my life think differently and see differently.

    Ping Pong | October 10, 2010 at 9:55 PM |
    By 1500 BC all the present colours of humankind were already in existence. Try 1 500 000 BC instead. But then ask yourself if Africa then, was climatically and bio geographically as it is now.
    Why did a large number of Blacks lose their melanin? Was there an inherent “glitch” in the creation? Was this loss spontaneous?

    YOU HAVE ASKED AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING THE ANSWER? ‘’

    black panther | October 10, 2010 at 10:54 PM |
    @ GP
    Don’t attack me take it to the persons who published the paper / bring your own paper or shut up.

    1 Everything that is published is not true fool!
    2 If you understand what I said (which was written in perfect English) you will find that I explained why there is a high incidence of skin cancer in Australasia. This is because I KNOW PATHOLOGY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU CUT AND PASTED. I REITERATE THAT WHAT YOU POSTED DOES NOT PROVE THAT SKIN COLOR IS INCIDENTAL.

    No one of your ilk can teach me pathology no matter how much you cut and paste. I will ask David to post a ppt on the pathophysiology and aetilogy of one type of skin cancer that I made for some Biochemistry students .

    Unlike you I dont post things that I cut and pasted that I DONT UNDERSTAND.


  24. @ GP
    It is 1500 BC. One day, you and your whole neighborhood in the middle of Africa wake up and find wanna selves white as …. ok white.
    WHY SHOULD THIS HAPPEN TO BLACKS THEN?
    WHY IS IT NOT HAPPENING NOW OR SINCE?
    ********************************************************
    GP if you don’t know about something be honest an admit your ignorance , stop shooting of your mouth without checking the facts first.
    “Genetics experts have been amazed by the birth of a blonde, blue-eyed white baby – to a black couple.Doctors insist tiny Nmachi is not an albino and neither of the parents has any mixed-race family history.”- Sky News.

    “Black Nigerian couple give birth to white baby girl in Britain .
    Nigerian couple Ben and Angela Ihegboro, who moved to Britain five years ago, have shocked the world with their white baby girl after having a two-year-old girl, and a four-year-old boy, both black children.” – Digital Journal , July 20/2010.

    “Black parents have three white children
    A black couple have defied the odds by giving birth to three albino children.Mother Rosemere Fernandes de Andrade, 27, and her partner Joao are both black and have two other children who are also both black.”- Telegraph , 3/Sep/2009
    I am tired talking to these Christians , go & do some homework and come back.


  25. Here is the presentation promised by Doc GP.


  26. Zoe | October 9, 2010 at 10:23 PM |

    You said, quote:- “Being Created in the image of God, has nothing to do with Colour, as God has NO COLOUR, He is ‘Spirit.”
    ***************************************************************
    REALLY! I disagree with you, Sir. However, I acknowledge that Satan has to use whatever sources he can to deceive mankind and you seem to be definitely one of his sources. Obviously another one of the Anti-Christs!


  27. BTW, my disagreement concerns, particularly, the “He is Spirit” assertion.


  28. @ black panther
    GP if you don’t know about something be honest an admit your ignorance , stop shooting of your mouth without checking the facts first.
    ***********************************************
    …wait BP, you is fambly to Bonny Peppa? …wuh you very brave to be attacking GP so rough. You better hope that you don’t catch a cold or anything so – otherwise GP going parade pon yuh behind…..

    How come you did not ask GP to tell us about the various types of leprosy described in the bible? (he is a bible scholar yuh know!!)
    Maybe if he explained that for us illiterates it would explain quite a number of things….


  29. I usually tell my students that Pathology is really Anatomy or Biochemistry or Physiology gone wrong. In the powerpoint I posted I indicate how radiation afftects the Biochemistry in cells at the level of the DNA to cause cancer

    Note that viruses, radiation, chemicals and genetic factors can render normal cells abnormal and result in the immune system being ineffective with the casing of cancers.
    Note that these factors cause cancers regardless to the colour of the skin.

    The ranting and raving cut and pasting black panther, will be quite surprised to learn that even BLACKS WITH THIER ORIGINAL AND PERFECT BLACK SKINS GET ALL KIND OF CANCERS. THEY EVEN GET SKIN CANCERS TOO

    Imagine that!


  30. @ GP
    Doc, you will soon have to start charging posters for all this medical tuition. 🙂


  31. @GP
    I would not refuse being a collections agent. 🙂


  32. @ black panther,
    your stated sources were Sky News.Telegraph , Digital Journal.

    nuff said.


  33. de Hood
    If my co-consultant Hants says you can have a job, you on the team.
    Tell me though in contradictiong zoe , you seem to be saying that you dont accept the text of John 4:24.

    Jesus said to the woman at the well GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

    Is that not what he was trying to say?


  34. GP
    ”must worship in spirit…………..”
    ******************************************************************
    Doc, by your assertion, we then will now have to divest ourselves of our physical bodies before we can worship God?

    From your Bible knowledge (particularly hermeneutics) is that the best translation for John 4:24?


  35. One of the things that separates man from the animals is our posession of a spirit. we are spiritual beings already, that is why for example we can coomunicate with God in prayer, or be led by the Spirit etc. Our bodies are merely “temples” in which our spirit dwells . In 2 Corinthians Paul asserts that our bodies are even temples for the Holy Spirit.

    Perhaps you might find 2 Corinthians 5 & 6 interested in this regard.


  36. @ GP
    You said, quote:-“One of the things that separates man from the animals is our possession of a spirit.”
    ******************************************************************
    So you are saying that animals & vegetation have no spirit? What should we understand from Gen.2:5?
    Gen.2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

    Am I wrong in believing that in saying, “before it was in the earth” means created spiritually?


  37. @Dr GP: “One of the things that separates man from the animals is our posession (sic) of a spirit.

    An unsubstantiated claim and unprovable claim.

    Under our current thinking, all humans are animals.

    And under some older thinking, some humans were considered to be animals without souls.

    What says you about this Dr. GP?


  38. BT
    Re about the various types of leprosy described in the bible?
    Just assume that I know nothing about this topic and teacch the forum on it. While you at it tell us how acquiring white skin via leprosy can be transmitted and relate it to simple Mendelian genetic principles.

    Re Bush Tea on October 10, 2010 at 9:03 PM |
    @ MME
    Nina is talking patent nonsense!
    Typical presentation from someone who starts wrong and then goes on to build a huge structure.
    The essence of her argument is that depending on where you live for a number of generations, your descendants will end up black or white.
    The bushman is disappointed in you MME! Obviously while climate will have an impact on the degree of darkness or lightness, the determining factor is melanin. Unless she is referring to intermarriage gradually diluting melinin levels she is spitting in the air.

    ALL SANE SOBER SENSIBLE SCIENTISTS SHOULD CONCUR ON THESE POINTS


  39. Refcomment:God is a Spirit!

    Jesus also refered to himself as GOD! If you have seen me you have seen the Father!Therefore those who saw Jesus not only saw a spiritual being but a physical as well. THerfore no matter how the theologist tries to get arond his physical and jesus true identity it would always be explored. the fact being that if after all of these years the church has told such a horrific lie by displaying pictures which are of a “White” Jesus . THe truth should be told about his identity for it was Jesus who said TO SEEK THE TRUTH”and that is all others are doing. Right now theologist the ball is in your court but living a lie and teaching alie is deceiving


  40. Dblack panther | October 10, 2010 at 6:52 PM |
    Re your unscientific ramblings

    Re White skin is not natural
    IN WHAT WAY IS WHITE SKIN UNNATTURAL? HISTOLOGICALLY? BIOCHEMICALLY? MOLECULARLY? Elaborate. Man

    Re White skin only occurs when there is a genetic defect that block /reduces melanin production.
    How often does such mutations occur?

    Several mutations have been identified that lead to depigmented skin(white skin):
    MC1R (Melanocotin 1 receptor) gene
    OCA2 (Oculocutaneous Albinism type 2) gene
    the tyrosinase (TYR) gene
    SLC45A2 gene
    TYRP1 (tyrosinase related protein 1) gene
    SLC24A5
    KIT gene.
    Virtually all caucasians carry a mutation of the SLC24A5.

    CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS? (you can continue cutting and pasting)
    Do you know what tyronase is? And its diverse functions? (you can continue cutting and pasting)

    Since white skin is unnatural and is due to defective genes, why is it that these defective genes keep being transmitted and how?

    Can you tell us how and when a large number of Blacks lose their melanin? Was there an inherent “glitch” in the creation? Was this loss spontaneous?

    Re Imagine a caucasian Adam & Eve with hardly any clothes in the sorching Sun
    Don’t many Caucasians hang out in the caucasian
    black panther

    RE
    @ GP.
    I disagree skin colour is not incidental.
    “The highest incidence rates of melanoma are reported from (essentially European migrant populations in) Australia and New Zealand (non-Maori population) where the annual incidence is more than double the highest rates recorded in Europe. Incidence rates have been increasing rapidly for several decades in all Caucasian populations…” – Anals of Oncology vol. 15 issue 1.

    GP does not know anything so he is humbly and honestly asking you to explain the paragraph above, Sir? I challenge you.

    Can you tell us how and when a large number of Blacks lose their melanin? Was there an inherent “glitch” in the creation? Was this loss spontaneous? Why did a large number of Blacks lose their melanin? Was there an inherent “glitch” in the creation? Was this loss spontaneous?
    GP if you don’t know about something be honest an admit your ignorance , stop shooting of your mouth without checking the facts first. black panther
    GP if you don’t know about something be honest an admit your ignorance , stop shooting of your mouth without checking the facts first.

    A black couple have defied the odds by giving birth to three albino children. Mother Rosemere Fernandes de Andrade, 27, and her partner Joao are both black and have two other children who are also both black

    How often has this happened as a percentage of birth of black couples in the last century ? Last millenniun ? In the past 6000 years? What is the statistical significance of this occurrence?
    Are albinos not the result of a defect as you earlier alluded/
    Unions with albinos produce what color children?
    Can such unions have caused origanally black folk to become white skinned folk in the numbers seen in the world today?
    Can you explain this by simple Mendelian inheritance or any well known scientific principle?
    Can you answer any of these questions? (you may google and cut and paste ad infinitum)

    Re Black Nigerian couple give birth to white baby girl in Britain .
    Nigerian couple Ben and Angela Ihegboro, who moved to Britain five years ago, have shocked the world with their white baby girl after having a two-year-old girl, and a four-year-old boy, both black children.” – Digital Journal , July 20/2010.

    Why would the world be shocked? Clearly there have been some white involvement in the history of one of the members of this couple. This has even happened in Bim OK?

    Re Genetics experts have been amazed by the birth of a blonde, blue-eyed white baby – to a black couple.Doctors insist tiny Nmachi is not an albino and neither of the parents has any mixed-race family history.”- Sky News.
    HOW CAN DOCTORS INSIST ANYTHING SIR? THE DR CAN ONLY GO BY THE HISTORY GIVEN BY THE COUPLE. WERE DNA SAMPLES ANALYZED?

    Your rants suggest that you have no science background at all

    You are an emotional irrational scientific illiterate man


  41. Hood
    I don’t think that we must divest ourselves of our bodies to worship God. I am sure you must know this since you worship.

    I believe that animals & vegetation have no spirit?
    I understand Gen.2:5 as written It does not appear to be an obscure or difficult text. “before it was in the earth” means simply “before it was in the earth”


  42. I have read various interpretations on the same bible verse on Bu. Bt the time jesus returns again. I guess they will be another new and improved version only this time written by GP &ZOE!
    with them being THE TRUTH AND THE WAY and Christ having to follow as they see fit!


  43. @Dr. GP: ‘…It does not appear to be an obscure or difficult text. “before it was in the earth” means simply “before it was in the earth”

    Please assume (as you always do) that I am a stupid dyslexic fool.

    I don’t understand what this language is trying to say. I probably don’t have the context.

    Could you please explain to us ***exactly*** what it means in plain and simple (and modern) English?

    I know you don’t like talking to fools Dr. GP.

    Please consider this part of your pennants….


  44. LOL……

    Hypocrisy at it best!!


  45. @ GP
    Just assume that I know nothing about this topic and teach the forum on it.
    ***************************************************
    Are you not confusing things here GP? You, an accomplished bible scholar, medic and teacher inviting a seed picking bushman to expound on such biblical matters??? ….OK Boss!

    Leprosy is discussed in surprisingly great detail in the bible. in fact, in many cases, clear instructions are provided on how such persons are to be classified and treated (by the priest)
    In 2 Kings for example, is the case of Gehazi, servant of Elisha….
    Basically, after Elisha had healed Naaman of his (you guessed it ) Leprosy by having him wash 7 times in the river, and had refused an enormous gift of valuables and money, Gahazi secretly followed Naaman and ‘solicited his own personal kickback’.
    Long and short of the whole thing is that Elisha said the following to Gehazi;
    “The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out of his presence a leper, as white as snow.”

    Now a little commonsense….
    Obviously, people with white skin were not seen as normal at the time. Although he was a powerful and successful leader, Naaman was willing to pay handsomely to have his skin ‘normalized’.
    In another documented case, Miriam got herself into some hot water and she too was ‘suddenly’ stricken with leprosy (reversed only after serious intersession from Aaron and Moses.)
    If we are to believe the bible, at least those descendants of Gehazi would have from that time have had skin “as white as snow”….

    …but based on Zoe’s and GP’s positions, obviously the whole meaning in these references must be completely different from that ascribed by the bushman and we all look forward to appropriate enlightenment.
    ———–
    WRT the argument that “God is spirit and hence the original colour of mankind in not important” . Surely this is seriously flawed…..
    If you were interested, the Bushman could show that one of the most profound statements in the whole bible is found in Genesis 1:28 “So God made man in his own image. In the image of God created he him. Male and female created he them.”

    IMHO it would be short sighted therefore to lightly dismiss any major aspect of something that has been “created in the very image of God”.


  46. Is Robin of Locksley (AKA de Hood) ZOE?


  47. @ GP
    You said, quote:- “I understand Gen.2:5 as written It does not appear to be an obscure or difficult text. “before it was in the earth” means simply “before it was in the earth””
    *********************************************************************
    But GP, bear with me a while. The scripture says that HE created them before they were in the earth. How else but spiritually could He have done that?


  48. @Anonymous | October 11, 2010 at 7:56 PM |

    You ask/suggest:- Is Robin of Locksley (AKA de Hood) ZOE?
    ******************************************************************
    My friend, all I can tell you is that you have me here laughing fit to bust my gut. I will also tell you that Mr. Zoe will definitely not take too kindly to you trying to even think that we are the same person! You like you want to give Mr. Zoe a myocardial infarction.
    Zoe is gonna soon straighten you out I am sure! :-).
    .


  49. @ black panther, man, are you ever LOST in this ancient afrocentric, paganistic IDOLATROUS crap, utter BS!

    “The Babylonian Talmud is considered a very holy book by most Christians…”

    Who are these Christians that consider this so? where are they?
    More nonsense!!!

    ‘Osiris the father’ WHAT father what? Horis the son, WHAT son what? & Isis the mother, WHAT mother what?

    ALL of these mythological dieties, that arose from within ancient African, Egyptian, Babylonian, et al civilizations, ALL of them NEVER existed, they were ALL Satanic imposters, that NEVER did anything for anyone, BUT, bring utter ruination on EACH and everyone of these ancient empires, ALL of them, as the One and Only True God, of Historic Divine Revelation, the God that Inspired HIS WORD, the Bible, declared over and over again, that the FALSE *gods where an abomination before HIM, and as prophecied time and again, they ALL came crashing down, because of this rampant IDOLATRY, from the ancient Egyptian dynasty’s, Babylonian, Assyrian, the Greecian and Roman empires, ALL came to UTTER RUINATION, as Idolatry always reaps. Period!

    Secondly, Roman Catholicism IS NOT a Christian denomination, IT IS the most wicked, evil, religious/political institution to ever exist on earth. That it is a revamped system of ancient Babylonian idolatry, is masterfully brought out in the late Rev. Alexander Hislop’s treasure, “The Two Babylons, Or THE PAPAL WORSHIP, Proved to be THE WORSHIP OF NIMROD AND HIS WIFE, with sixty-one woodcut illustrations from NINEVAH, BABYLON, EGYPT, POMPEII, etc.

    Therefore, it WAS Catholicism, NOT a Christian church, as Hislop graphically bring out in his detailed research, that assumed this idolatrous, pagan, utterly unsctriptural nonsense, of the virgin Mary with the child, in her arms, yes, copied from the images of Isis & baby Horus in Africa (Ancient Egypt & Sudan/Nubia), that is WHY this EVIL religious system, Roman Catholicism, IS spoken about as ‘The Mother of Harlots’ in Revalation Chp 17, seated on the seven hills of Rome, who will FEEL the wrath of Almighty God, in the not too distant future.

    No where in the Protestant world do you find this unbiblical PAGAN nonsense of a mother/child, as depicted in Catholicism with the vigin Mary, with a child in her hands, as it is no where to be gound in God’s Word, the Bible, ALL of this ancient, pagan crap, emanated from African, Egyptian IDOLATRY, and RC will likewise feel the warth of God, ultimately as DID, Egypt, Babylon et al, it is only a matter of time.


  50. @ de hood re Anonymous, man, this is probably the only time I’ll ever agree with you, as you straightened out Anon on stupidly mistaking us as one and the same person, what a joke that is!

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