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Submitted by Terence Blackett

In the book of Isaiah 60: 6, 7 the prophet says:

“The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah: all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense: and they shall forth the praises of the Lord.. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance upon mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.”

To first of all understand these two verses, we must first be able to explain and understand what or who is Midian, Ephah, Sheba, Kedar and Nebaioth based on Biblical history.

In Genesis 25, we discover something very unique in the Word of God. Many well-meaning theologians, pastors and teachers ignore the Scriptures or simply are blind sided by prejudice as to what God is trying to say and show.

Most Christians today understand and are taught that Abraham had 2 lines of posterity. In actual fact, Abraham had 3 lines.

Let us start with Midian. As you read Gen. 25:1-2, the Bible says:

“Now Abraham married again, Keturah was his new wife and she bore him several children: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah. And Jokshan had two sons Sheba and Dedan… The sons of Midian were Ephah and Epher…all these were the children of Keturah…”


It is important to note that Abraham’s [3] lines of descendants are pivotal to the plan of salvation, although heretical teachings to the contrary would have us believe that because Abraham bequeathed all that he had to Isaac the child of promise that it meant that Abraham’s seed (which according to Almighty God) would be like the sands upon the sea shore – we must conclude that the Abrahamic promised blessings also included all of his posterity.

What was distinctive about Isaac’s line or future genealogy would be that God choose this line to bring Messiah Yeshua into the world. However we must understand that this line would be interspersed and intermarried over the next 2000 years right up to the coming of Mary who was to be the one who would bear the Holy Child Jesus.

Abraham’s first wife Hagar bore him Ishmael; Sarah bore Isaac and Keturah bore him Midian. These lines are crucial to our understanding of Bible prophecy and how God is working out the plan of salvation through Abraham’s seed –  heirs of a promise made by God to all those who believe – whether Jew or Gentile, rich or poor, bond or free…

So we have established that Abraham’s posterity based on Isaiah rendition of the sacred history shows that his [3] sons and grandsons from their respective mothers – we now come to Ishmael’s first born – Nebaioth and Kedar his brother.

We have been taught for most of our Christian lives of the line of Sarah from which Isaac came and the resulting historical record of the Jewish people. The ignorance of allowing the other [2] lines of Abraham to exist in virtual obscurity without paying the necessary attention to the part that they play in the prophetic scheme of things is the reason why God is now allowing the eyes of those who are seeking revelation, light and present truth from the Word of God to bring this knowledge to the forefront of the minds of men.

Jesus Christ cannot return to earth until there is unity amongst the children of Abraham based on the covenant God made with him. The fulfilment of that covenant extend to every man, woman and child of Abraham who will come into the promise by faith in Jesus Christ regardless of religious persuasion, race or creed.

In Isaiah 60: 7, the 2nd son of Ishmael – Kedar came first and then Nebaioth the firstborn came second according to word from the prophet. Why is this?

In a similar twist of fate, we see Isaac beget two sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was the firstborn – but sells his birthright to his brother Jacob. So Jacob becomes first and Esau becomes second. Have you noticed the parallels? Is God doing something interesting here? Whether you or I want to believe it, He sure is doing something or is allowing something to teach us a poignant lesson.

Jesus reminds us that the “first shall be last – and the last shall be first”. What does this means? And how can we apply this within the context of our understanding of religious matters today in our world?

It is important to note that the [3] lines of Abraham actually became [2]. Sarah’s line through Isaac became the [12] tribes of Israel and the children of Hagar & Keturah became the people of the EAST as they dwelt together… This is a very important distinction!

Whenever God refers to the people of the EAST, He is earmarking the sons and daughters of Abraham – not a separate and distinct group (though in essence, they were) but as a nation of people who had not been relegated to the side lines or had been forgotten.

It is important to open up from the Word of God and show decisively and distinctly who the ARAB people are – the sons of Ishmael, Midian and the others.

This is probably going to be the most controversial exegetical exposition of divine Biblical revelation ever seen from the Word of God and there are some who will be offended by this Scriptural discourse as it belies their inherent prejudices concerning the Bible.

We know from the record that Israel was founded on the basis of its [12] tribes. Is there anywhere else in Scripture where God speaks of tribes of peoples?

In Gen: 25 verses 13 through 16, we see clearly from the record that there are also [12] princes (tribes) based on the peoples of the EAST. Is this some freak of nature or some fluke of history that Isaac has [2] sons and the first becomes last and the last becomes first? Ishmael has [2] sons – Nebaioth and Kedar; the first become last and the last becomes first. Jacob has [12] sons who become the [12] tribes of Israel and Ishmael’s [12] sons become the princes from which the [12] tribes of the EAST arise.

Is this coincidence or is God doing something? YOU DECIDE!

Many within the Christian world do not accept that God alone is the only purveyor of absolute truth. He alone has the right to speak to whomever he wants and in whatever way He so chooses.

False teachings have made us callous in our understand and have shut us into a vacuum of exclusivity where we believe that God can only speak to a specific kind of person while dismissing the others because of whatever reasons. We forget that Christ came to save all. So God will speak to the Chinese, the Indian, the Muslim, the Buddhist – whoever He wants to reach, He will extend a hand to lead and guide men into the truth.

In the story of Joseph, he was sold into Egypt by his brothers. His brothers wanted initially to kill him but they decided to sell him to the Ishmaelites. The Bible says that a band of Midianite traders came by and so they pulled him out the pit and sold him. Is the Bible creating some confusion here in this context?

From this historical frame, we can see clearly where both the children of Hagar and the children of Keturah were living together – as the traders in spices, silks and other forms of merchandize, they are the ones who took Joseph from his brothers in lieu of the fact that down in Egypt, they could fetch a handsome price for him because of his physical stature. Joseph was not ill-treated by his distant cousins but was so well-fed and watered that on arrival in Egypt, Potiphar took him into his house because of his physical beauty and stature.

In a similar story, Moses’ brethren were fighting amongst themselves and he intervened and was asked if he wanted to kill them the same way he had killed the Egyptian earlier.

There is a line that seems to run through Scripture where brother wants to kill brother. This started in Eden. Clearly Moses’ brothers hated him and wanted him killed. The Pharaoh loved Moses as his own son because he was the son of his daughter. But when the news reached the Pharaoh of what had happened Moses ran off into Midian because his brethren brought bad news (false witness/gossip) into the royal court.

So for the next 40 years Moses lived in the land of Midian. Jethro – the priest of Midian became Moses’ father in law.

Many religious writers and scholars wrote books on Jethro claiming that he was an idol worshipper. But the Bible does not say that, neither does it infer it. Actually, Moses learns about the “TRUE” God from his father-in-law Jethro. For while, the children of Israel had lost their spiritual identity after 400 years in Egypt and where no priesthood existed, Jethro was a priest on to God, worshipping Him according to what had be laid down in ages past by the Spirit that had spoken through Abraham and his posterity.

When the Israelites were without the knowledge of the One True God, the children of Midian (the people of the EAST) were keeping the Sabbaths, carrying out the functions of the priesthood and worshipping the One True God.

When the Bible speaks of Ishmael being a wild donkey, it is speaking of the freedoms which the peoples of the EAST enjoyed unlike the children of Israel who were in captivity for 400 years.

There is an interesting paradox in the Word of God where Jethro – the priest of Midian relates to Moses a story of a man called Job. Nowhere in the Bible is anyone person so clearly detailed as to their possessions in the way that Job was. It was almost an accounting ledger of his assets down to the last minutiae.

Job chapter 1 verse 1- 3 says that this man was perfect and upright before God and stayed away from evil. The Bible says that this man was the greatest of all the men of the EAST. Was Job an Israelite? Clearly the answer is a resounding – NO!

He was a descendant from the line of either Ishmael or of the sons of Keturah. The story of Job was a popular story amongst those who lived in the EAST. The wealth of Job plus his righteous acts was common knowledge amongst the [12] tribes of the EAST.

So God used Jethro in the 40 years Moses lived with him to bring him into a knowledge of who God was and it became preparation for his Burning Bush experience; the deliverance and salvation of the Israelite tribes and the experiences for another [40] years wandering around the wilderness in search of the land that God would ultimately bring them into.

This line we have been discussing regarding how the Israelite people always wanted to kill or killed their own brothers. From Joseph who became the saviour of the nation in a time of unbelievable famine, to Moses their deliverer who was kept, taught and sheltered by his brethren in the EAST, to all the prophets who were killed from Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah to John the Baptist.

Then came Jesus – The Son of Man, the son of Mary and they took him too and murdered Him on a cross because He claimed to be the Son of God.

When we look at the genesis of the Christian church in the Acts of the Apostles, we see on the day of Pentecost that the ARABS* were the ones who received the Word of God spoken by Peter and the Apostles. They heard about Jesus in their own languages (the Libyans, Ethiopians, Africans, the Persians were all there) and their heart were pricked as they accepted Him as Lord and Saviour. This was to be the beginning of the knowledge of Jesus Christ to the people of EAST because the Scriptures shows that even the Ethiopian eunuch who was Queen Candice’s treasurer took the Gospel of Jesus Christ back to his homeland anointed by the fires of the Holy Spirit. Can you imagine the unwritten history of these men and their exploits for God in their own nations?

When the Jews had rejected the message of Jesus – the Arab people and those from the East accepted with open arms the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In Matt: 2:1, the Bible says:

“Now Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of Herod the king, and behold there came wise men from the EAST to Jerusalem. Saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the EAST and have come to worship Him.”

How ironic that wise men who were worshippers of the One True God and who had studied the sacred text and knew of the prophetic times were able to discern from their deep study of the stars that Jesus Christ had been born while the Jews were oblivious to the knowledge of His presence far less the time of His visitation.

Just as the children of the EAST were worshipping the One True God in the days of Israel’s captivity and they were in darkness to who Jehovah God really was – so it was at the birth of Christ that the men of EAST were the first to announce the Saviour’s coming and be the ones to come and offer worship, adoration and precious gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

So again, just as in Acts of the Apostles, where 3000 for whom were Arabs, Africans and others from the Eastern lands heard the Word gladly and received Jesus – so it is again with the Wise Men who travelled a great distance just to worship the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, Jesus The Christ.

So 500 years before the coming of Jesus Christ, the prophet Isaiah in chapter 60 verse 6 prophesied that wise men will come on camels (not on donkeys, not in chariots); men from the lands of Midian (Jethro’s countrymen), Ephah and Sheba (The Eastern Lands) would come bearing gold and incense.

Many refuse to accept the Bible story. Many would rather accept the Christian story. We refuse to accept that the Christian story has been unadulterated by Greek mythology and Roman paganism. Christianity has been plagued by one-sided religious dogma which pits brother against brother. The Bible story is two-sided because it includes both sides of the coin.

Before Jesus Christ can return, the prophet says that “the flocks of Kedar must be gathered together to the Lord…the rams of Nebaioth (the sons of Ishmael – the Muslim nations) must minister to the Lord Jesus…they must come fully assured of salvation offering an offering of righteousness to the Lord…only then will the glory of the House of God be at its fullest..”

So the wealth – both physical and spiritually of the Muslim nations will be brought into the endtime church of Jesus Christ as a sign as did the Wise Men in His first Advent. Their ardour and ferverence in prayer will be magnified ten fold as they come into the knowledge of Christ and are baptized with the Latter Rain as the 3000 who were baptized with the Former Rain at Pentecost.

May we pray for the deliverance of all of the sons of Abraham…


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281 responses to “What Does The Bible Really Say About The Sons Of Abraham – And What Will It Take For This Dysfunctional Family To Become As One?”


  1. Religion besides politics is one of the great curses of the human race and shall be its downfall. When god created this earth he should have just give the animals dominion over the earth and forget about the human race….they have proven time and time again to be unworthy beings.


  2. Interpertation of the Bible should be illegal.All it does is create more questions and gives no realistic answers.One thing we must not forget that man wrote the Bible and even King James has his version. In todays society there are many versions. Only God knows what was taken out and replaced opver the years. The Bible as we know it today is “MANS WORD”


  3. Why don’t we do a DNA test of mother earth, fauna and flora included and a DNA test of MAN and then we’ll see who really belongs here….or elsewhere!

    there’s a mothership waiting.


  4. Why don’t we do a DNA test of mother earth, fauna and flora included and a DNA test of MAN and then we’ll see who really belongs here….or elsewhere!

    there’s a mothership waiting for all alien-invaders!


  5. Man Terence, you like you trying to raise the bar bout here yuh…. MME and NS got the level already out of reach at triple A+ and you here trying to juck it even higher???
    …..tek it easy skippa…..

    First thing: – Is this something that you just wrote coming out of the Israel Vs Palestine thread? …or is this a subject that you had researched previously?

    Bush Tea thinks that you took a few liberties, but I found it an interesting presentation.

    Are you suggesting that Christ’s return is contingent on “the flocks of Kedar must be gathered together to the Lord…the rams of Nebaioth….” etc

    Bush Tea suspects that you will find that it will be AS A RESULT of Christ’s return that the gathering together of the flocks and rams will occur……

    IMHO, the prophecy which says that before Christ returns, one of the signs will be ‘the first shall be last and the last shall be first…’ is related to the now fairly obvious situation where everything is ‘upsided down’ as we would say in Barbados. Confusion shall reign! Common sense shall elude us….. I could give you thousands of examples….

    With respect to the substantive issue – who are the ‘Jews’? This is a complex issue. Even the question of who is a Bajan become complex if you choose to go back hundreds of years to resolve the issue.

    Are you defining a Jew as any descendant of Abraham? Is any present citizen of Israel not now an Israeli? How about a convert to Judaism?

    The importance you place on the tribes of the EAST seem to be focused on the ongoing family rift between these kin, however your thesis does not appear to support your conclusion that there must be a coming together of these factions BEFORE Christ can return.


  6. Religion is truly the “Opiate”of the masses. Never has so many spoken so much about so little. Our connections to religion and politics, continues to enslave us. The “Rothschild”empire, born in Europe has through the centuries, massively contributed to the war machine and thus the suffering of humanity. No matter what religious persuasion we have adopted, it has failed us miserably. At the council of “Nicea” in AD 325, the ruling intellectuals of that time, decided on a plan to dupe the masses. Religion as we know it was born, and confusion as we now have it reign’s supreme. To understand Is=IsisRA=AmonraEL=Elohim or God, we would have to go back to the pagan establishment of Kemet(Modern day Egypt). What the enemy does not want us to know, is that the first monotheistic society on earth, was in Africa. Until the world gives Africa its props, there will be continued war and suffering on this planet. Egypt is not in the middle east, Russia is not in Europe, and I’m not crazy. For domination of the people with black skins, the European liars concocted a scheme. They intended then as they do now to convince the world of their superiority, through might and size. Look at what’s happening in Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal. Why are those countries not determined as “Developing Countries.” Greece cannot support itself, as much as tiny Barbados, and we call Greece a first world country? Like religion, politics and all this other nonsense, it’s all a racist game, and we are all “Pawns in the game.” Like our most famous caribbean historian said, “First, Columbus fell on his knees, then he fell on the aboriginees.” Europeans always adopted the “Praise god, but pass the ammunition,” mentality. Religion, a european invention and lie, will continue to enslave the darker skinned people of this world. None no better than we, who have lived in the Caribbean, South and Central America, and Africa. We have all been mislead, mishandled, and mishapped. The masses need a fix, and they get it every sunday morning. The slaves very rarely rebelled on sundays, did they now? So my brothers and sisters, believe what you want, worship what you want, the truth is out there for those who desire knowledge.


  7. @ BUSH TEA

    “Is this something that you just wrote coming out of the Israel Vs Palestine thread? …or is this a subject that you had researched previously?”

    On the internet or should we say in the entire world (because North Korea HAS A CLOSED INTERNET VIRTUAL WORLD)… (someone having recently hacked into it from Eastern Europe) – how many websites do you think deals (ONLY) and conclusively with the RETURN OF JESUS?

    Your answer will be interesting!!!

    To answer your question BUSHMAN* (man I like that name) – this partial article is part of a research document for a very prominent and powerful Muslim voice in the Islamic world who has asked me to share my findings with him…

    The other aspect is that within my church affiliation we have placed much emphasis on bringing Muslims to Christ successfully and my work along with 2 other gentlemen (1 Pakistani & the other American) work for the salvation and enlightenment of Muslims showing from the Bible and Quran the MAJESTY OF JESUS CHRIST…

    Don’t forget I was a Muslim for about 5 years of my life and a fundamentalist both in temperament and practice…

    Thank God for JESUS!!!


  8. Terence Blackett
    You start your dissertation by taking as your text Isaiah 60: 6, 7

    But 1 you fail to put it in its context
    2 you do not explain what the text means
    3 you never really come back to the text or properly exegete it before you set out on your rambling rant.
    4 You have disobeyed all the rules of hermeneutics and homiletics, even as you chose to chastise “many well-meaning theologians, pastors and teachers.

    Some how you seem not to know that you are not the only one who has read Genesis 25, and who know from childhood that Abraham had 3 lines. Tell me what is so unique about that?

    . Do you think that Abraham was unique in the Bible in having more than 3 lines? Seems you need to read the Bible again, and do so properly Sir.

    Clearly one does not need to understand all the junk you have written to understand the two verses that you have lifted out of the tone and tenor and teaching of the last section of the prophesy of Isaiah.

    Understanding and explaining who Midian, Ephah, Sheba, Kedar and Nebaioth were, based on Biblical history, only serves to reveal that these people will also be part of those who will be coming to worship at Jerusalem and who will also be bringing gifts to Christ the King, who came through the line of Isaac.

    Understanding and explaining who Midian, Ephah, Sheba, Kedar and Nebaioth were based on Biblical history, only serves to reveal that the children of Abraham from the other two lines will in the millennium be subservient to Christ the King, who came through the line of Isaac.

    You wrote this goo “It is important to note that Abraham’s [3] lines of descendants are pivotal to the plan of salvation, although heretical teachings to the contrary would have us believe that because Abraham bequeathed all that he had to Isaac the child of promise that it meant that Abraham’s seed (which according to Almighty God) would be like the sands upon the sea shore – we must conclude that the Abrahamic promised blessings also included all of his posterity.”

    1Please kindly – give us the Scriptural references that teach that Abraham’s [3] lines of descendants are pivotal to the plan of salvation.

    2 Please kindly explain Galatians 3;16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

    Do you realize that this verse says seeD and not seeds

    Could you explain how you fit this verse in your “thesis”?

    3 Could you explain to this untalented 3/10 teacher who is lacking in common sense teacher what Galatians 4:22-26 mean?
    22. For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
    23. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
    24. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
    25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
    26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

    You wrote “Abraham’s first wife Hagar bore him Ishmael.”

    You of course know that Sarah was the first of Abraham’s two wives and not Hagar. Hagar was a servant girl this couple hired when they were in Egypt.

    She represents what happens when believers do not WAIT on God and try to HELP out God in his purposes.

    Paul through the Holy Spirit tells us what she was exactly – A BONDMAID!

    (Also check Genesis 11-20 to see when Hagar came into the picture )

    Yet you come here by another Spirit to tell us that Hagar was Abraham’s first wife?

    Did you do that because you know that folk here do not SEARCH OR STUDY THE SCRIPTURES SYSTEMATICALLY & SEQUENTIALLY OR AT ALL!?

    More rubbish Terrence!

    Where in the Bible can you find verses that teach that “Jesus Christ cannot return to earth until there is unity amongst the children of Abraham based on the covenant God made with him. The fulfilment of that covenant extend to every man, woman and child of Abraham who will come into the promise by faith in Jesus Christ regardless of religious persuasion, race or creed.”

    I wont be holding my breath for an answer!

    Let me cite the verse that you quoted out of context.

    “The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah: all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense: and they shall forth the praises of the Lord.. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance upon mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.”

    Isaiah 60:6 is teaching that Midian and Ephah and Sheba shall come to bring gold and incense to shew forth the praises of the Lord, who was descended from Isaac’s line as is the clear teaching of Galatians.

    The names are at best an idiom to represent people from all over the world, and at worst they denote that the offspring of the other [2] lines of Abraham will be bowing at Jesus’ feet (the descendant from Isaac’s line.) ( I give you a range here to chose which you prefer)

    What is most noteworthy here is that then, when wise men, not only from the East but from all over the world, will come with gifts of gold and incense for the Redeemer, at this time that they are not bringing myrrh. Why? Because myrrh spoke of Christ’s death at His first coming. At His second coming they bring no myrrh. This is a remarkable point!

    Bet you didn’t spot that.

    We must put the emphasis on the ESSENTIALS not the incidentals. Your ramblings about the law of primigeniture, and how it is clearly reversed by the patriarchs might impress those who have not searched and studied the Scriptures, but is clearly unrelated to the exegesis of this text.

    Whether the 2nd son of Ishmael – Kedar came first or last and then Nebaioth the firstborn came second does not mean a thing here .They both will come to worship ISAAC’s OFFSPRING according to word from the prophet.! NOT ANY FROM HAGAR”S LINE OR KETURAH”S LINE. Ah lie?

    They both will come to worship ISAAC’s OFFSPRING because they will have no choice in the millenium EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW (c.f Phil 2: 11; Reve 5 also speaks to this concept)

    Veres 7 is teaching that flocks will be brought to Jerusalem for sacrifice as the sacrifices will be reinstituted in the millennial temple. This may be difficult for some to accept, but the Old Testament is very definite at this point. Read, for example, Ezekiel 40–44. These sacrifices, I believe, will point back to the death of Christ as in the Old Testament they pointed forward to His death. They will have the same meaning.

    ALL SERIOUIS SOLID SINCERE SCHOLARS OF THE SCRIPTURES KNOW from the Word of God decisively and distinctly who the ARAB people are – the sons of Ishmael, Midian and the others. There is nothing controversial about that.

    That’s is Basic Bible knowledge picked up in Sunday school man in any Bible teaching church. But we also learned from reading the scriptures (and you can bring in your primogeniture law if you like too) that Isaac was the son of promise, and a type of Christ. The Promised One, The Obedient One The Offered One.

    Re The ignorance of allowing the other [2] lines of Abraham to exist in virtual obscurity without paying the necessary attention to the part that they play in the prophetic scheme of things is the reason why God is now allowing the eyes of those who are seeking revelation, light and present truth from the Word of God to bring this knowledge to the forefront of the minds of men.”

    Terrence this is very good prose man! But give us the Bible references that speak of the part the other [2] lines of Abraham play in the prophetic scheme of things I challenge you to research it and come back and tell us. Should be fun. But BU readers wont like the information you willbe bringing.

    Re This is probably going to be the most controversial exegetical exposition of divine Biblical revelation ever seen from the Word of God and there are some who will be offended by this Scriptural discourse as it belies their inherent prejudices concerning the Bible.

    Terrence what is controversial about what you have written?
    Where is the exegetical exposition of divine Biblical revelation ever seen from the Word of God? In Medicine we call this delusions of grandeur Sire!

    I think I have debunked enough off the junk that you have brought to BU

    MORE BS ON BU! Go figure!

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    Last post was mine


  10. “Last post was mine”

    ++++

    As if we would not know !


  11. @ GP

    WHICH QUESTION SHOULD I START WITH?


  12. @ GP

    I recognize we are like the ARABS & jews – there’s an impasse and we will NEVER see eye to eye on nothing – and that’s a good thing!!!

    So debulking, debunking or whatever slant you choose to bring to the table simply reaffirms the obvious…


  13. @ GP

    I live in a world where if I was waiting for accepted consensus from the like of you and others, I would be pretty LUKEWARM* in my faith, convictions and in my ability to stand where others fall apart at the seams…

    Like most of you who have your material “gods” to protect less you become a casualty of system by going against the grain… I face my demons, my Goliaths and the lions within the said system because I am not dependent on an employer, an institution, a politician or priest for sanction or a paycheck…

    It’s easy to sit up in BIM and criticize – try being a “LONE” in someone else’s world!!!


  14. Our planet moves around what we call the Sun. The Sun is a rather normal star. There are about three hundren million stars in our Milky Way galaxy. Many of these stars have planets orbiting them. It is estimated that there are more galaxies in our universe than there are grains of sand on all the beaches on Earth. What would possess anyone to think that anything written on this planet thousands of years ago would represent the ‘truth’?


  15. @ BT

    For the record, I am not the only one holds the beliefs I do concerning Jewry…

    Some of my Caucasoid Jewish brothers have recently called me an ARAB sympathizer and an Islamic apologist for the philosophical and religious positions I take – (which is a real irony) because all I have ever suggested is the middle-ground approach to what as DAVID* remarked in another post is that this has been a volatile issue for centuries (if not 1000’s of years)…

    What is also equally laughable is my own Jewishness given a G.G. Grandmother who was a Portuguese Jew – but moreover my OWN personal acceptance of the 7th DAY SABBATH based on GENESIS Chapter 2 verses 2 & 3…

    So whatever folks may think of my agenda – my works, my books, my articles and my social standing in the NEAR* future will continue to prove a threshing-floor for controversy, debate and malignity…


  16. “……because I am not dependent on an employer, an institution, a politician or priest for sanction or a paycheck…”

    The Government?


  17. @ BT

    As I suggested to you before – there are some questions which are complex in nature with no simple answers…

    My dear brother and pastor Reckart believes that the Jewish view of history is simple: the Jew, only the Jew, and nothing but the Jew… Clearly nothing has changed in 4000 years!!!

    Gentiles or non-Jews, called by various derogatory names, chief of which is “goyium” are considered dogs, beast, and the serpent’s seed…

    They claim only the Jew descends from Adam, therefore they are the “elect chosen race”. They believe that God has placed salvation in RACE* (if I weren’t careful I’d do the same)…

    They believe unless a person has Jewish bloodlines they can never be a part of the “Covenants” or “Promises of God” (this clearly outlaws ARABS & others)…

    They do believe that some Gentiles (Noahides), can have a PART* in their planned world empire, but they will never be equal and share in the blessings of God to be granted or given only to the Jews…

    Many Jews actually believe that the Gentiles are children of the serpent…

    They believe in the serpent seed doctrine (supported by Talmudic evidence). That is, they believe that before God created Eve, that Adam had a BLACK* wife named Lillith. She is reported to be the mother of the BLACK* and mingled races…

    This “Lillith” is alleged to have also committed adultery with the “Serpent”. This allegedly angered God, causing him to make Adam a new wife out of his own flesh…

    Thus the other children born of Lillith by Adam were beast…

    Eve is alleged to have been also seduced by the serpent and certain “white Gentiles” are the seed of this adultery…

    All non-Jews are considered beast (see the Babylonian Talmud)…

    This theory brings a natural belief that the Jewish people are the only true race of human beings on the earth….

    They are therefore the “elect” of God…

    They are the “chosen people.”

    They are the only people for whom the “golden utopia” or “Millennium” will come…

    They are the rightful rulers of the world…

    They have a right and a duty to use all other “beast” (white and BLACKS*) as best suits their needs…

    All the wealth and riches of the nations and the world belongs to the Jews…

    To steal, rob, cheat, or out-right take from these beasts their gold, silver, money, precious gems, precious minerals, land, houses, crops, food, is like taking something from a dog: is only taking what is theirs by an alleged “Divine Right” (the right of kings)…

    IT IS NOT A SIN!!!

    It is no more a sin to take from Gentiles beasts than it is to take from the mouth of a dog a rabbit…

    The dog and rabbit belong to the Jews, so to appropriate either the effort of the dog, or the reward of his work, is not stealing…

    This is the under-girding law of taxation, usury, and forced labor…

    I will confess that this seemed to me at first the most far-fetched tale I had ever heard, …until I read the Jewish Talmud…

    This book, claimed by both Jews and Gentiles, to be the most holy collection of God’s laws, even superior to the Laws of Moses, is the universal law of monotheism which set up Communism and Socialism throughout the world…

    If I had not read it for myself, I would have called it all lies…

    I would have thought it Jew-hating or antisemitism…

    But they do not deny it themselves…

    In fact, they consider it Jew-hating and antisemitism to expose the contents of the Talmud…

    They believe their religion is so private that Gentiles have no right to examine it, question it, and discuss it openly (sounds like some of the FOLKS* on BU)…

    They believe they may do with the beast as they please – because of this attitude and belief, the Gentiles were called dogs, and dogs have no “right” to their bread, not even the crumbs…

    Thank God for JESUS!!!

    The belief was developed that the Jews were then the exclusive and only beneficiaries of the blessings of God…

    Only Jews could share in the Covenant, although if Gentiles were good beast, they would be permitted to “share” in the future blessings of Israel…

    This gave rise to the belief that the Divine purpose was Israel…

    That as the Elect, and owing to the Covenant of Abraham, they had unconditional eternal security…

    They were born saved and nothing could separate them from their exclusive entitlement to eternal life (well I guess we will see won’t we?)…

    Their salvation was in their flesh and blood lineage back to Abraham and Adam…

    They were in bondage to no man, and therefore did not need Jesus Christ or Calvary to set them free…

    They report that it is not their faithfulness or their practice of religious virtues, but God’s faithfulness in his oath to Abraham, that secures them from ever being lost…

    This consequently, leads to the idea that the Jews and Israel are the climax of all eschatology…

    YOU DECIDE!!!


  18. @TMB… Namaste.

    I consider you to be a learned and brave man to be bringing your above forward.

    However, while your above language is without question original, the realization (that Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have the same roots and descendents, in both ideas and humans) isn’t.

    If you (or anyone else) hasn’t read Karen Armstrong’s “A History of God”, you are well advised to do so.

    So, from this, then, the question stands… why are the believers of these religions at war with each other? Believing that only their God is the *correct* God and refusing to accept the other’s?

    Oh… Perhaps this has already been answered…

    So, then TMB… If a condition of Christ’s return is for the fighting to end, let me please ask you this simple question:

    How do you think we all are currently doing in not killing each other regularly?


  19. Terence M. Blackett // June 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM;

    Any specific internet sources for the Talmud which you refer to above? There appears to be several versions on the Internet, all claiming to be the authentic Talmud.

    BTW, the vigour with which most of our fundamentalists defend Jewry has always surprised me in view of the known attitude of Jews to Christianity. Any views on this?

  20. Straight talk Avatar

    AL:
    Never wanting to discuss religion, politics or football teams with the terminally committed, I am pleased some other speck of our galactian non-entity shares my scorn at the arrogance of the 3000 year old raghead adherents.
    Imagine that they now fall out between themselves what some sunbaked dimwit dreamt up stories to impress his other tent dwellers into archiving his works.
    Nowadays we’d call them the loony left, totally divorced from reality and certainly beyond reason, not fit for polite company.
    Thank God (sic) that they keep themselves locked in their Bible “Study” groups.
    Interpreting the thoughts of some desert living scribe who obviously lacked the talent to say what he meant, otherwise we wouldn’t be lumbered with otherwise intelligent men still trying to figure it out, and even worse falling out with others who disagree with their learned divinations.
    What a joke this religion malarkey is, realise my friends it’s only a device heaped upon the underprivileged to keep them subordinated until as one if the happy clappers loves to say “they are planted” and beyond questioning the status quo.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Terrence

    You are all over the place, man.
    I am not a Jew, and know no Jews.

    The issue has nothing to being like the ARABS & jews –or seeing eye to eye.

    Can you refute what I have said?
    You spent a long time teahing two basic Sunday school points and trying to insert them into a text.

    I have not asked you what world you live in or if you were waiting for accepted consensus from the like of me or others, nor have I asked you about your faith , convictions or ability to stand or fall.

    Can you answer any of my questions or refute what I have said with RELEVANT SCRIPTURE REFERENCES.

    I have no material “gods” to protect and I am not going against the grain. I am asking you some questions, man Thats all . I dont care about your demons, Goliaths or lions, and whether you are dependent on an employer, an institution, a politician or priest for sanction or a paycheck…is not at all relevant to the issues under consideration.

    I am not in Bim and besides Zoe I am a “LONE” in he BU BS world!!! I am right now on this thread going against the grain.

    Unlike most folk who read BU, I have actually studied the Bible. So a few things that you wrote can be substantiated, and the rest well…..its the usual BS you will find on BU.

    I am not anti you, but I have asked a few questions in response to the first half of the junk you wrote. I have asked only for some Scripture references to substantiate your thesis. Thats all.

    You started with Isaiah 60. I am just asking for assistance in interpretation Sir. I want to graduate up to at least a 5.5/10 teacher in Bible Sir.


  22. For those bible intelligent individuals on this blog, let’s start first with (Rev. 2:9;3:9;). Next let’s go to (John 8:44), then to (2 Cor. 11:14). Then to (Rev. 2:9;3:9). The European decents of cave dwellers in the Caucasus mountain region of Europe, are not Moses led Hebrew Israelites. Those of you writing these lengthy dissertations are confused, off base by miles. These European Kazars, and achanasians, had to find a way to control the financial capitals in their time, so as not to become extinct. They devised a system to transplant themselves as the “Chosen people.” Their plans consisted back then and still today, to destroy governments, and to warehouse populations as “Goyim”(Meaning human cattle). Judaism, is not a race of people, but a religion. Why then do European jews feel the need to occupy Palestine or anywhere else? Show me a single first world central banking system, that has not, or is not controlled by the “House of Rothschild.” European jews the world over have manipulated the global financial system, none bigger than “Bernard Madoff.” Those of you who quote the bible verse and text, read those passages I’ve recommended at the top of this note. Whether we align with Christianity, Islam or Judaism, those religions have all failed and enslaved Blask people. Catholicism, is the faith that enslaved the darker skinned people of this universe. It is a religion predicated on a lie, where its first Pope Simon Peter a denier of Christ formed that first church. Ever since then, that catholic faith, has continued to rob, rape both literally anf figuratively the people of this universe. The Jews, used their wealth to support King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, in their conquest and destruction of the peoples of Africa, South and Central America. And last but not least, Islam allowed to conquerors to use the Islamic technology of the day, to circumnavigate the world. Christopher Columbus was an idiot seaman, who could not sail his way out of a wet paper bag. Had it not been for the Moors, who at the time understood how to use “Kochab and Polaris,” the two brightest stars in the constellation. Again, the Moors conquered Spain and ran the English and Portuguese out of the meditterranean region of Europe. Who were the Moors, you got it African Moslems. You who obsess about these major religious factions, just know that our people, black people were enslaved, indoctrinated, and mass murdered at the hands of organized religion. These murderers had a plan on a grand scale to kill off our ancestors, and today there are those of you gloryfying these mass killers of those who gave to civilization, the concepts of sciences and mathematics. Religion as it is known, is a despicably, treacherous betrayer of the masses. Study the history of our people, so as to prevent the mistakes of the past.

  23. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    TB

    I am not too smart OK. But when I read Genesis 11: 29 I see that when we first met him that Abram’s wife (later called Abraham) was SARAI later called Sarah.

    So I cant figure how an exalted intellectuual like you who raises the bar on BU misses simple facts like that.

    Note that the servant girl (NOT WIFE) Hagar is not mentioned until chapter 16. Many Bajan men have sex with thier servants, but do you think that any of them will call their servant with whom they copulate thier FIRST WIFE?

    You rant much about the reversal of the rite of the first born as practiced in Genesis by the Patriarchs as led by God. Now tell me after the Patriarchs who else besides David reversed the first born? Who does it now?

    So how does it become important in an isolated text in Isaiah concerning the eschaton.

    Bear with me Sir. I am seeking to be taught. Not challenging you or giving you pressure.

    You see I was taught to find out what the text says and then determine what the text means before applying the text. I was also taught tio interpret texts in their context, and then relate them to other texts. So being a simpleton I have followed that for 40 years with good results. But I am willing to learn. So I really want to learn how you exegeted or ex-duced or ad-duced the stuff you got out of those two verses. I want to be able “to raise the bar” like you man. OK


  24. @ Checkit-Out

    I am sure the University library at Cave Hill should have a copy on hand…

    If not, ask Dr. Becks to order one…

    Beyond on that – Dr. ELLIOT DOUGHLIN* ( TRUTH FOR THE FINAL GENERATION) ought to be able to get you one…


  25. @ CH

    ” If a condition of Christ’s return is for the fighting to end, let me please ask you this simple question:- How do you think we all are currently doing in not killing each other regularly?”

    Well Chris, in all fairness when Yeshua (KING* of Kings & LORD*of Lords) return all wars and commotions will be forced to end because HE* is the PRINCE* of PEACE*…

    Matt: 24 reminds us that these said areas of unrest will continue unabated right up to the very end…

    Even if ARAB* & jew can live together in some compromised state of social CO-existence, the historical issues of FAITH* will still be a sore thumb in the backsides of those who are dead set on anarchy, strife and confusion…

    As always, there will always be a set of hemorrhoids who will flare up at the whiff of anything!!!


  26. @TMB: “Well Chris, in all fairness when Yeshua (KING* of Kings & LORD*of Lords) return all wars and commotions will be forced to end because HE* is the PRINCE* of PEACE*…

    So then, TMB… Are you arguing that war will always occur, because the “believers” believe it is their right, right up to the bitter end?

    Gods help us….


  27. @ GP

    Condescension is NOT* a BAJAN trait my beloved brother!!!

    Leave that for the “paleskin” folks I’ve lived amongst most of my life… They have mastered the knack of it – us BLACK folks don’t play that game too well …

    BROTHER teacher take off your 21st century ROSE-COLORED glasses and see if it is possible to TELEPORT* 4000 years into the past (maybe Chris Halsall can explain the virtues of QUANTUM TIME-TRAVEL) so you can get a proper anthropological perspective on how SEMETIC LIFE* was back then…

    Erroneous Bible teachers for 1000’s of years have done a job on us where we are more polarized than ever before…

    The ARAB*-jewery question is rather simplistic – the real problem comes from our so-called exegesis which pits BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER, PEOPLE AGAINST PEOPLE, RELIGION AGAINST RELIGION with the end result being the current impasse we’ve got…


  28. @ CH

    “Are you arguing that war will always occur, because the “believers” believe it is their right, right up to the bitter end?”

    200 million soldiers will amass in the valley of Jehoshaphat for a final global battle…

    ONE-THIRD of humanity will die from war (those who survive will either die from famine, disease or freakish ecological fallout) …

    So yes as you said, right up to the bitter end!!!

    But then, there are those FOLKS who believe they will be “WHISKED AWAY”…

    A debate for another day!!!


  29. @TMB: “But then, there are those FOLKS who believe they will be “WHISKED AWAY”…

    Jesus flying fsck…

    Some in power actually believe this nursery rhyme bullshit?

  30. Straight talk Avatar

    Sounds like you’re up for a good rumble, Chris.
    Jumping Jehosophat I’m in too.
    After we’ve won what about that Trinity on the hill waiting for the flying saucers.
    If we lose so what.. we dead anyway.
    Not sure I’d like to spend eternity listening to GP’s BE…..correction oh yes I am sure.

  31. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    bLACKETT

    mAN YOUR RAMBLING HAS NOT BROUGHT ANd ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS MAN
    You are an intellual who a common sense man says “raised the bar” I cant see why you cant raise it some more and answer my simple questions.


  32. TB, you’re still caught up with that calling of B’dos “Little England”bullshit. TB the “cow did not jump over the moon, and the dish did not run away with the spoon.” The bible is a book written by William Devere, better known as you guessed it, William shakespeare. Before the advent of the “Gutenberg mass prinitng system,” how many in the european peasantry had access to bibles? Not many TB. In 1619 King James had the bible re-written for himself and the elite of that day. Left out of the King James version of the bible, were many books. Why TB were books left out of the so called “book of life.” In pre-Gutenberg England, to own a bible was to be deemed a heretic, and put to death. Europeans constantly contradict themselves. Brainwashed, simple minded darkies, allow themselve to foment the idiocy of the former slave masters. That’s why today in Europe, Europeans are the least religious people on the planet. As long as they can get simple minded darkies to proselytize religion for them, they’re able to continue with their racial, religious global dominance. If we blacks want something or someone to believe in, we should start with ourselves. It is we Afri(k)ans that gave civilization to a world, in which caucasoids, were still living on frozen tundra, and eating dogs, and horses. TB even the way these caucasians burned their dead, was exported to Afri(k)a and to Asia. The reasons for these caucasian rituals, were tied to the arid frozen tundra on which they lived. Carter G Woodson, the great son of African American lineage, wrote a book called “The miseducation of the negro.” We blacks in the caribbean diaspora, for the most part, are truly “hoodwinked and bamboozeled.” For us to dig deep into our history, would require us to know to much about ourselves, and our ancestors. We therefore, have become the “Most comfortable slaves on the planet.” Tell me TB, is religion your Pillar, or your crutch? And which ever response you give, why? “To thyself be true.”


  33. @ Anonymous

    Great piece of history!!!

    I don’t think I can argue against nothing you have said…

    The system of eschatology teaches that the Jews are and will always be the only beneficiaries of God.

    I agree with Reckart et al that this Post Babylonian racism by Jews is not found nowhere in your Bible.

    Their very history denies it to be true.

    Jesus rejected it as false.

    The Apostles refused to be bound by this racism once it was exposed.

    Yes, the Jews were not to marry the Gentiles.

    Yes, the Gentiles were not to enter into the Tabernacle.

    Yes, many Gentiles were adversaries to the Israelites.

    And yes, the Gentiles were a separate people from Israel.

    But does all this prove that Gentiles were beast?

    The serpent seed doctrine was picked up by the Jews in Babylon. It was a Babylonian belief that Adam had two wives and the first was a BLACK* beast.

    It was a Babylonian belief that the Serpent [a beast], seduced Eve and those white children who were born and latent antisemites, were also beast.

    History has pretty well established that the Babylonians had at the center of their religion a ritual reenacting the sexual interpretation of the fall.

    This sexual ritual is still practiced in every coven of witches in the world that follows the Kabalistic formulae of mysticism.

    This keeping alive the Babylonian reinterpretation of the fall, does not make this Nimrod Babylonian doctrine true.

    The Scriptures are clear that it was after the Flood, that the nations were dispersed according to their families.

    It is well established that all human beings were of ONE RACE* after the Flood, and that “RACE” was descended from Noah.

    This race was Gentile.

    This rules out the idea that BLACKS are animals descended from Adam and Lillith or the Serpent and Lillith. They would have all died in the flood.

    It rules out that white devils descended from Eve and the serpent. They would have all died in the Flood.

    Only one seed survived the flood and it was Noah’s. This one seed has one blood, and all nations are descended from this one blood. Paul said this in Acts 17:26.

    The Serpent seed doctrine is not only a Mystery Babylon lie, it is a Jewish lie. It is a lie to teach that the Jews have a bloodline to Adam that others in the world do not have. It is the basic lie that under-girds the idea of predestination according to RACE* and seed, and not in the work of Christ and Calvary.

    Abraham was a Gentile (Mesopotamian). The Jewish nation and “RACE” started with Jacob and his 12 sons. Two tribes of this nation were born to Joseph of a BLACK* Gentile Egyptian woman.

    Jews hold to the belief that a person is considered a Jew if born of a Jewish mother.

    They consider all children born of a Gentile mother by a Jewish father, to be non-Jewish and they must go through conversion.

    When we apply this to the Gentile blood in the previous paragraph, we can see that Israel is in fact so mingled with Gentile flesh and bloodlines, as to make the claim of a master “race” or the chosen people because of flesh and blood, is BLATANTLY FALSE* (truth which cannot be supported anthropologically or otherwise).

    To frustrate their claim even further, let us examine the case of King David.

    He is the great grandson of Boaz and Ruth, the Gentile Moabitess.

    Let us examine Solomon.

    He was the son of David and a Gentile Hittite name Bathsheba.

    Taking the Jewish doctrine that a child’s nationality is determined by the ancestry of the mother, Solomon was a converted Hittite.

    David’s father Jesse was a converted Moabite.

    The point here is to prove that the doctrine of salvation by flesh and blood lines back to Abraham and then to Adam, is FALSE*…

    The idea that the Jewish bloodline is pure and absent of Gentile bloodlines is FALSE***.

    Nowhere in the Old Testament was it forbidden for Gentiles to become “proselytes”.

    Many Gentiles converted to the Jewish religion and they were not considered “beast”, “white devils”, or serpent seed.

    In truth and reality, the nation of Israel had so intermingled with the Gentiles that, at the time of Christ the nation was fully comprised of Gentiles and Jews.

    Why is it such a difficult and hard thing to then accept that God has done the very same thing in the New Testament Church???.

    The Jewish belief of an exclusive “RIGHT” and “TITLE” to be called the “chosen people”, in spite of their obvious mixture of Gentile bloodlines, is again BLATANTLY as well patently FALSE*…

    What is true, is that God called the Jewish nation to be the depository of HIS* Truths and Revelations.

    They were a chosen people to bear testimony to the world the oneness of God.

    They were a chosen people to bring forth the Law until it would reach its fulfillment and climax when Yeshua Messiah would come.

    The Prophets predicted the coming of Messiah and the New Covenant.

    The Jews, regardless of their mingled blood, were chosen of God to be a holy and peculiar people in righteousness.

    They were unfaithful in these obligations and were evicted from the “holy land”.

    It was these evictions, especially the one to Babylon, that gave rise to the Prophets who predicted a restoration.

    It is these prophesies of restoration that are misunderstood and misapplied to the study of eschatology.

    Many Jews looked for a restoration of the throne of David in Israel.

    Many saw this restoration of the throne, only when Messiah came.

    They had a nation.

    Check these verses out and it proves they had a nation: LUK 7:5, LUK 23:2, JOH 11:48, JOH 18:35, ACTS 10:22.

    What they did not have was a kingdom because the throne of David was not set up.

    It was the Messianic hope that the throne of David would be set up ON***.

    It is a true statement that the Jews wanted the throne of David set up, because they believed this would be God’s deliverance from Roman occupation and government.

    What they wanted and theorized was not what God had in mind however.

    They had a hope of the eternal continuance of natural Israel and restoration of a “race” of people, and God had in mind the restoration of the human race through Messiah and HIS* throne moved over into the Kingdom of God – THE CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  34. @ Anonymous

    “Tell me TB, is religion your Pillar, or your crutch? And which ever response you give, why? “To thyself be true.”

    The answer is NEITHER!!!

    Religion is a social construction as I have so long espoused…

    My relationship with CHRIST* is a private, personal, profound privilege which I do NOT* take likely!!!

    At my age my dear brother – I have no choice but to be true to what I believe…

    I apologize for not addressing all your concerns but it is hard multi-tasking several computers all at the same time and trying to answer GP & Co; who want answers which even if CHRIST* HIMSELF gave them – would NOT* be enough…

    Go figure!!!


  35. I ask all Messianic Believers who possess knowledge in these BIBLICAL* matters:

    “Where is the Scriptural proofs where GOD THE FATHER says that He will give back “The Vineyard” to those who killed the King’s Son, and for which HE* took it away from them and gave to other more faithful stewards (Matthew 21:38-41)?


  36. Now there is a teacher who has something to say that makes sense!(TMB)

  37. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Blackett

    You know that Matthew 21:38-41 is a parable I am sure.

    I am also sure that you have read Romans chapters 9-11.

    All of the Messianic predictions that relate to the eschaton are clearly stated in the Psalms and the prophetic books. and you know that!

    You also know that the church is not found in the OT. You also know that you can not find any Scriptures to support the idea that the Messianic promises that were given to the Jews were given to the Church.

    State one single NT verse to support your position.

    For a man that is supposed to be a PhD and an intellectual and a scholar raise the bar man. LOL Bring relevant scriptures rightly divided in thier context to suport your diabolical propaganda.


  38. @Georgie Porgie…

    Not to speak for another, as I try to avoid. But let me please say this…

    I personally grow *very* frustrated by those who tell me what I know.


  39. @ GP

    My dear brother, your Biblical logic is astonishing to say the least…

    So are we to assume that the PARABLE* you so clearly alluded to does not posit exegetical relevance to Yeshua Messiah???

    For the record – cut the claptrap* about PhD’s and all that crap (Jesus was a CARPENTER)…

    Education is no bulwark against stupidity… We get degrees to show off… I got mine to PISS* people OFF!!! So let’s keep it REAL…

    Herein lies the fight between Jewish eschatology and Christian eschatology…

    Jews believe that The Christ and Christians have stolen from them their sole right to be the exclusive people of God.

    They believe that the Christians are the biggest thieves of all history, in that we have stolen their identity by claiming the Church is the True Israel of God.

    They are angry that we claim that the Law and religious system of rituals and animal sacrifices have ceased.

    They are irate that we claim the temple priesthood has been totally and forever abolished.

    They are furious that Christians place no value or importance on the temple mount (thankfully in the hands of Muslims – could you imagine if God allowed otherwise).

    They are so obtuse against Christ that many have taken blood oaths to remove the memory and name of Jesus Christ from the earth.

    Jewish eschatology is filled with contradictions – because the prophecies of Daniel fit the Church and not the nation of natural Israel, most Jews place little or no importance in the fulfillment of the 70 weeks time line.

    After the 70 weeks gave birth to the Kingdom of God (the coming of Yeshua Messiah), the Church, and not Israel’s hope of national restoration, the Jews persecuted the Church.

    After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the majority of Jews that escaped went back to Babylon.

    They remained there generation after generation until around 1054AD when they were all evicted by an Arab King…(some are still in Baghdad until today)..

    Other Jews who were scattered around the Mediterranean sea, called the Diaspora, adopted Phariseeism.

    When Babylonian mysticism in the form of the Kabalah was mingled with Phariseeism, this gave birth to the Hasidic movement and consequently other branches of Judaism.

    Restoration was a dead issue for over a 1000 years for Jews.

    But the fact is, there was no reason they could not go back home.

    They chose rather to stay in Babylon and other nations where they were scattered.

    When they were evicted from Babylon they could have gone back home but they chose not to.

    The idea of restoration actually had a new birth with the claim of Sabbati Zevi that he was the Messiah in 1666.

    This charlatan and false antichrist was well known for his abominable behavior.

    So detestable that many Jews themselves rejected him. But still, he began the revival of restoration.

    This revival was carried over into Christian theology – for which today, the JOHN HAGEE’s of the world and others have jumped on to the bandwagon…

    The Catholic Church had long held that the book of Revelation was already fulfilled in 70 AD.

    It transferred to Rome the claim of being the Kingdom of God and the replacement of Judaism.

    The Pope claims to be the High Priesthood and ruler of the Kingdom.

    The Catholic Church saw no need to suppress claims by Jews such as Zevi and ideas of restoration of a Kingdom, believing these would all pass away, as they did not fit into their amillennial schemes.

    But Protestantism and Freemasonry picked up on these new dreams revived by Zevi.

    Freemasonry and the Rosicrucians even lay claim to being the universal Kingdom of God.

    These all picked up on Jewish teachings and doctrines.

    Thus, dispensationalism became a patchwork of doctrine and teachings of several of these falsehoods.

    The idea of restoration was then transferred among Protestantism via Freemasonry and the Rosicrucians; John Darby, Edward Irving, and Clarence Larkin, all three of which believed the Church would end in defeat, being turned to the DEVIL* while the Jews would turn to God.

    Neither the Catholics, the Jews, Freemasonry, the Rosicrucians, Darby, Irving, or Larkin, saw the end-time revival of the Apostolic Church.

    A complete *surprise* to the works and schemes of the Devil.

    The Apostolic Church is God’s end-time witness that Judaism, Catholicism-Protestantism, and Freemasonry, are *NOT* the Kingdom of God.

  40. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Re They were a chosen people to bring forth the Law until it would reach its fulfillment and climax when Yeshua Messiah would come. The Prophets predicted the coming of Messiah and the New Covenant.The Jews, regardless of their mingled blood, were chosen of God to be a holy and peculiar people in righteousness. They were unfaithful in these obligations and were evicted from the “holy land”.

    ALL THE ABOVE IS TRUE
    IN FACT THEY WERE EVICTED TWICE JUST AS MOSES HAD PREDICTED IN EXODUS

    BUT THIS BELOW IS NONSENSE AND YOU OUGHT TO KNOW SO BLACKETT

    It was these evictions, especially the one to Babylon, that gave rise to the Prophets who predicted a restoration.

    WAS MOSES NOT A PROPHET WHO PREDICTED THE RESTORATION

    DID NOT MOST OF THE PROPHETS SPEAK BEFORE THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY OF A RESTORATION BLACKETT

    ONLY FIVE PROPHETS SPOKE AFTER THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY

    The EXHILC PROPHETS DANIEL & EZEKIEL and

    THE POST EXHILIC PROPHETS HAGGAI MALACHI & ZECHARIAH

    So from Moses day and before (see Jacob in his blessings to his sons on his death bed predicting even in to the future.) He predicted what is soon going to occur in Israel that will cause the USA it seems who is now leaning away from Israel to broker the false peace that will be ended by antichrist at the abominastion of desollation.

    Tell us about this promise Blackett. Raise the bar some more, man.


  41. @ CH

    “I personally grow *very* frustrated by those who tell me what I know…”

    Thanks for that Chris…

    Maybe I should start posting under the pseudonym ” ANONYMOUS DIABOLOS”…


  42. @TMB: “Maybe I should start posting under the pseudonym “ANONYMOUS DIABOLOS”…

    No. IMHO, only cowards post anonymously…


  43. @ GP

    Brother teacher – you continue to flex as if this is a gymnastics class or a nouvelle discipline in the HIGH JUMP*…

    It is neither my dear brother!!!

    A coin has two sides…

    We must be FREE* to show each side and let those who want to weigh in decide for themselves…

    It’s nothing personal – that mentality is divisive, destructive and puny…

    Surely we are bigger than that???


  44. “For a man that is supposed to be a PhD and an intellectual and a scholar ”

    Where ? when?

    Self appointed ?


  45. Many Jews and Gentiles in sympathy with the Jews, think that the Abrahamic Covenant is the national right to real estate without any merit or need to be holy or live by any certain religious values.

    It is alleged that it is God’s faithfulness to perform his oath to Abraham,not the faithfulness of Jews who must live by religious values, that guarantees all Jews the inheritance or promises of Abraham as beneficiaries.

    The Jews slammed this into the teeth of Jesus. They claimed unconditional eternal security by the works and faith of Abraham, not their own:

    John 8:33 They answered him, “we be Abraham’s seed,and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?”

    V.34 Jesus answered them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.”

    V.39 They answered and said unto him, “Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.”

    Even if real estate was the fullness of God’s promise to Abraham (which it was not), and even if this real estate was exclusive to natural Israel(which it was not), WHERE IS THERE SALVATION in a deed, a land-grant, or an inheritance in real estate?

    If there is no salvation provided in the land-grant to those who may claim an undivided interest in the title, by what method will these Jews be saved?

    The choices are simple: …Old Torah (Covenant), or the New Torah(Covenant).

    And if the Law was fully ended at Calvary and not after seven years taken down from the nail-scared hands of Jesus for the alleged time of Jacob’s trouble in the great tribulation, salvation is only in the New Torah / Covenant as Jesus prophesied.

    If Jews do not obey Acts 2:38 by faith toward the object of Abraham’s faith and circumcision, then their circumcision is counted as non-circumcision and the real estate has become nothing but an abominable pig sty for the ungodly:

    Jeremiah 2:7 – “And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness; but when ye entered,ye defiled my land, and made mine inheritance an abomination.”

    Jeremiah 16:18 – “And first I will recompense the iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable and abominable things” (KJV).

    The doctrine that the Jews have unconditional eternal security in Abraham’s covenant of circumcision and that salvation is without conditions is false.

    The following texts of Scripture will clearly demonstrate that election is not hyper-predestination with eternal security:

    Promises & Conditions

    Gen: 12:2 Gen: 12:1
    Gen: 14:2-8 Gen: 17:9
    Gen: 15:5 Gen: 15:6
    Gen: 17:4 Gen: 17:9
    Gen: 17:10-11 Gen: 17:14
    Deut: 28:1-14 Deut: 28:15
    Deut: 30:15-16 Deut: 30:17-19
    II Sam: 7 II Kings 2:3-4
    II Kings 9:4-9
    II Kings 11:11
    I Cron: 28:7
    II Cron: 7:17-18 II Cron: 7:19-23

    It is obvious that if any Israelite for whatever reason apostatized from the Covenant they did not continue to possess the promise or the covenants of Abraham or Sinai.

    The point has been made several times by Jewish religious leaders, that if a Jew converts from the Torah to the New Covenant of Jesus Messiah, that Jew is no longer to be consider a Jew and has forfeited all the blessings and promises of Abraham.

    This one fact proves that Jews believe there exist conditions that terminates the Abrahamic Covenant.

    And this being true, then any other provision that cancels the Abrahamic Covenant is just as valid.

    However, Jews and Noahides practice a double standard.

    According to them, those Jews and Gentile converts to the Messianic Judaism of Jesus are damned from the Abrahamic Covenant but Jews who are atheists, agnostics, Buddhist,Hindu, homosexual or lesbian, witches, astrologers, tarot readers etc. are considered still beneficiaries of the Abrahamic promises and covenant…

    You decide!!!

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    So are we to assume that the PARABLE* you so clearly alluded to does not posit exegetical relevance to Yeshua Messiah??? EXPLAIN THE RELEVANCE AND RELASTE IT TO ROMANS 9-11 Sir!

    IF you are a Christian, why are you boring me to death and giving me a Berry aneurysm with all this clap trap about what you Jewish eschatology
    Neither Christians or the NT teaches that the Church is the True Israel of God. THERE ARE SOME THAT SAY SO BUT BRING THE SCRIPTURES THAT TEACH THIS. CLEARLY THE DISPENSATIONAL SECTION OF ROMANS DENIES THIS SIR
    the Law and religious system of rituals and animal sacrifices have ceased and the temple priesthood has NOT been totally and forever abolished as is clear from the chapter in Isaiah which you took two verses w out of today clearly demonstrates. It is clear that these will be re instituted in the mIllennium
    I don’t care if Jewish eschatology is filled with contradictions. And the prophecies of Daniel have nithing to do with the church Read the text in Daniel and you will see that the Angel spoke to Daniel about what would happen to DANIELS PEOPLE Sir
    The prophecies of Daniel gave to Neubuchadnezzer a prediction of the history of world history which Jesus later called the TIMES OF THE GENTILES. It is the time during which Jews lost all power — or the power they had under David Solomon and the good kings of Judah. Most of these predictions have come to pass
    Who cares how the Jews misinterpret the scriptures.
    After the 70 weeks gave birth to the first coming of Yeshua the Jews persecuted the Church.After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the majority of Jews that escaped went back to Babylon. Why shouldn’t they? Only about 20% of them returned under Ezra Nehemiah and Zerrubbabel as clearly taught in Ezra Nehemiah and Haggai.
    Restoration was a dead issue for over a 1000 years for Jews. SO WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH BIBLE PROPHECY. THE BIBLE STANDS UNDAUBTED THROUGH TIME
    This Restoration is taught in Christian theology because IT IS CLEARLY TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE. Long before JOHN HAGEE good Bible expositors have taught the restoration in their commentaries.
    Who cares what the Catholic Church or Freemasonry and the Rosicrucians think. Christians care or ought to care about what the Bible teaches.
    John Darby certainly did not teach that the Church would end in defeat, being turned to the DEVIL* while the Jews would turn to God.
    The Apostolic Church is God’s end-time witness that Judaism, Catholicism-Protestantism, and Freemasonry, are *NOT* the Kingdom of God BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT.

    The Kingdom of God will be set up in the millennium when the King returns. You can not have a kingdom with out a King. You obviously do not understand the book of Matthew or the dispensational section of Romans

    Bring scriptures to show other wise, man


  47. @TMB…

    It has been said (although often ignored) that there are three sides to every story…

    1. My side.

    2. The other side.

    3. The truth….


  48. “IMHO, only cowards post anonymously…”

    ad hominem


  49. At the Garrison, in the middle, tomorrow, Wednesday the 9th at midday.

    Bout Number 1 will be Halsall vs Bowman

    Bout number 2 will be Blackett vs Georgie Porgie. You have to be there.

    I taking bets.

    I bet you Halsall gine lick up Bowman (if he don’t get kick in the balls first).

    Blackett vs GP is anybody’s bet, but I leaning towards Blackett.

    I gine be in the Suzuki van selling rice and stew. C and B there.

  50. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Mr Blackett

    It is clear that the Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. This is clear from the berith in Genesis chapter 15 and the exposition on this in Hebrews 6: 19 et secq

    If you check the Abrahamic Covenant it was made between God and himself so the
    the national right to real estate without any merit or need to be holy or live by any certain religious values is true.
    .
    It is true that it is God’s faithfulness to perform his oath to Abraham,not the faithfulness of Jews who must live by religious values, that guarantees all Jews the inheritance or promises of Abraham as beneficiaries. This is the clear teaching of the scriptures concerning the land .

    Your understanding of John 8 is correct. You will find in Romans that Paul corroborates what Jesus said in John 8 by saying NOT ALL ISRAEL ARE ISRAEL. John 8 and Romans relates not to the land promise ( because they never really ever fully occupied the land because they were too lazy to drive out the people in Joshua’s day). Jesus and Paul are both speaking about the personal salvation of Jews who were still not abiding by the tenets of God’s Word.

    Note that Jesus even told these disobedient Jews that the DEVIL WAS THEIR FATHER. HE POINTED OUT THAT THEY DID NOT EVINCE OR DISPLAY THE FAITH AS EXHIBITED BY ABRAHA FOR WHICH ABRAHAM WAS HIGHLY COMMENDED AND CALLED THE FRIEND OF GOD AND FATHER OF THE FAITHFUL.

    The doctrine that the Jews have unconditional eternal security in Abraham’s covenant of circumcision and that salvation is without conditions is NOT TAUGHT BY CHRISTIANS.

    The Jew can believe what they wish there are NO conditions that terminates the Abrahamic Covenant.

    The Jews were dispersed TWICE under the conditional covenant at Sinai which they broke exactly as predicted by Moses .

    the Abrahamic Covenant will come fully into vogue after the second phase of the second common or the epiphanea when it is predicted that they will be converted then.

    All Jews that do not trust in God by faith in the shed blood of Christ ARE LOST AS GENTILES. The prerequisites for salvation is the SAME FOR ALL

    Before Calvary folk looked forward in faith to his death that is what the rituals the Jews practiced meant and prefigured AFYER CALVARY folk look back at the FINISHED WORK OPF CHRIST ON THE CROSS.

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