Submitted by Terence Blackett

In the book of Isaiah 60: 6, 7 the prophet says:

“The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah: all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense: and they shall forth the praises of the Lord.. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance upon mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.”

To first of all understand these two verses, we must first be able to explain and understand what or who is Midian, Ephah, Sheba, Kedar and Nebaioth based on Biblical history.

In Genesis 25, we discover something very unique in the Word of God. Many well-meaning theologians, pastors and teachers ignore the Scriptures or simply are blind sided by prejudice as to what God is trying to say and show.

Most Christians today understand and are taught that Abraham had 2 lines of posterity. In actual fact, Abraham had 3 lines.

Let us start with Midian. As you read Gen. 25:1-2, the Bible says:

“Now Abraham married again, Keturah was his new wife and she bore him several children: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah. And Jokshan had two sons Sheba and Dedan… The sons of Midian were Ephah and Epher…all these were the children of Keturah…”


It is important to note that Abraham’s [3] lines of descendants are pivotal to the plan of salvation, although heretical teachings to the contrary would have us believe that because Abraham bequeathed all that he had to Isaac the child of promise that it meant that Abraham’s seed (which according to Almighty God) would be like the sands upon the sea shore – we must conclude that the Abrahamic promised blessings also included all of his posterity.

What was distinctive about Isaac’s line or future genealogy would be that God choose this line to bring Messiah Yeshua into the world. However we must understand that this line would be interspersed and intermarried over the next 2000 years right up to the coming of Mary who was to be the one who would bear the Holy Child Jesus.

Abraham’s first wife Hagar bore him Ishmael; Sarah bore Isaac and Keturah bore him Midian. These lines are crucial to our understanding of Bible prophecy and how God is working out the plan of salvation through Abraham’s seed –  heirs of a promise made by God to all those who believe – whether Jew or Gentile, rich or poor, bond or free…

So we have established that Abraham’s posterity based on Isaiah rendition of the sacred history shows that his [3] sons and grandsons from their respective mothers – we now come to Ishmael’s first born – Nebaioth and Kedar his brother.

We have been taught for most of our Christian lives of the line of Sarah from which Isaac came and the resulting historical record of the Jewish people. The ignorance of allowing the other [2] lines of Abraham to exist in virtual obscurity without paying the necessary attention to the part that they play in the prophetic scheme of things is the reason why God is now allowing the eyes of those who are seeking revelation, light and present truth from the Word of God to bring this knowledge to the forefront of the minds of men.

Jesus Christ cannot return to earth until there is unity amongst the children of Abraham based on the covenant God made with him. The fulfilment of that covenant extend to every man, woman and child of Abraham who will come into the promise by faith in Jesus Christ regardless of religious persuasion, race or creed.

In Isaiah 60: 7, the 2nd son of Ishmael – Kedar came first and then Nebaioth the firstborn came second according to word from the prophet. Why is this?

In a similar twist of fate, we see Isaac beget two sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was the firstborn – but sells his birthright to his brother Jacob. So Jacob becomes first and Esau becomes second. Have you noticed the parallels? Is God doing something interesting here? Whether you or I want to believe it, He sure is doing something or is allowing something to teach us a poignant lesson.

Jesus reminds us that the “first shall be last – and the last shall be first”. What does this means? And how can we apply this within the context of our understanding of religious matters today in our world?

It is important to note that the [3] lines of Abraham actually became [2]. Sarah’s line through Isaac became the [12] tribes of Israel and the children of Hagar & Keturah became the people of the EAST as they dwelt together… This is a very important distinction!

Whenever God refers to the people of the EAST, He is earmarking the sons and daughters of Abraham – not a separate and distinct group (though in essence, they were) but as a nation of people who had not been relegated to the side lines or had been forgotten.

It is important to open up from the Word of God and show decisively and distinctly who the ARAB people are – the sons of Ishmael, Midian and the others.

This is probably going to be the most controversial exegetical exposition of divine Biblical revelation ever seen from the Word of God and there are some who will be offended by this Scriptural discourse as it belies their inherent prejudices concerning the Bible.

We know from the record that Israel was founded on the basis of its [12] tribes. Is there anywhere else in Scripture where God speaks of tribes of peoples?

In Gen: 25 verses 13 through 16, we see clearly from the record that there are also [12] princes (tribes) based on the peoples of the EAST. Is this some freak of nature or some fluke of history that Isaac has [2] sons and the first becomes last and the last becomes first? Ishmael has [2] sons – Nebaioth and Kedar; the first become last and the last becomes first. Jacob has [12] sons who become the [12] tribes of Israel and Ishmael’s [12] sons become the princes from which the [12] tribes of the EAST arise.

Is this coincidence or is God doing something? YOU DECIDE!

Many within the Christian world do not accept that God alone is the only purveyor of absolute truth. He alone has the right to speak to whomever he wants and in whatever way He so chooses.

False teachings have made us callous in our understand and have shut us into a vacuum of exclusivity where we believe that God can only speak to a specific kind of person while dismissing the others because of whatever reasons. We forget that Christ came to save all. So God will speak to the Chinese, the Indian, the Muslim, the Buddhist – whoever He wants to reach, He will extend a hand to lead and guide men into the truth.

In the story of Joseph, he was sold into Egypt by his brothers. His brothers wanted initially to kill him but they decided to sell him to the Ishmaelites. The Bible says that a band of Midianite traders came by and so they pulled him out the pit and sold him. Is the Bible creating some confusion here in this context?

From this historical frame, we can see clearly where both the children of Hagar and the children of Keturah were living together – as the traders in spices, silks and other forms of merchandize, they are the ones who took Joseph from his brothers in lieu of the fact that down in Egypt, they could fetch a handsome price for him because of his physical stature. Joseph was not ill-treated by his distant cousins but was so well-fed and watered that on arrival in Egypt, Potiphar took him into his house because of his physical beauty and stature.

In a similar story, Moses’ brethren were fighting amongst themselves and he intervened and was asked if he wanted to kill them the same way he had killed the Egyptian earlier.

There is a line that seems to run through Scripture where brother wants to kill brother. This started in Eden. Clearly Moses’ brothers hated him and wanted him killed. The Pharaoh loved Moses as his own son because he was the son of his daughter. But when the news reached the Pharaoh of what had happened Moses ran off into Midian because his brethren brought bad news (false witness/gossip) into the royal court.

So for the next 40 years Moses lived in the land of Midian. Jethro – the priest of Midian became Moses’ father in law.

Many religious writers and scholars wrote books on Jethro claiming that he was an idol worshipper. But the Bible does not say that, neither does it infer it. Actually, Moses learns about the “TRUE” God from his father-in-law Jethro. For while, the children of Israel had lost their spiritual identity after 400 years in Egypt and where no priesthood existed, Jethro was a priest on to God, worshipping Him according to what had be laid down in ages past by the Spirit that had spoken through Abraham and his posterity.

When the Israelites were without the knowledge of the One True God, the children of Midian (the people of the EAST) were keeping the Sabbaths, carrying out the functions of the priesthood and worshipping the One True God.

When the Bible speaks of Ishmael being a wild donkey, it is speaking of the freedoms which the peoples of the EAST enjoyed unlike the children of Israel who were in captivity for 400 years.

There is an interesting paradox in the Word of God where Jethro – the priest of Midian relates to Moses a story of a man called Job. Nowhere in the Bible is anyone person so clearly detailed as to their possessions in the way that Job was. It was almost an accounting ledger of his assets down to the last minutiae.

Job chapter 1 verse 1- 3 says that this man was perfect and upright before God and stayed away from evil. The Bible says that this man was the greatest of all the men of the EAST. Was Job an Israelite? Clearly the answer is a resounding – NO!

He was a descendant from the line of either Ishmael or of the sons of Keturah. The story of Job was a popular story amongst those who lived in the EAST. The wealth of Job plus his righteous acts was common knowledge amongst the [12] tribes of the EAST.

So God used Jethro in the 40 years Moses lived with him to bring him into a knowledge of who God was and it became preparation for his Burning Bush experience; the deliverance and salvation of the Israelite tribes and the experiences for another [40] years wandering around the wilderness in search of the land that God would ultimately bring them into.

This line we have been discussing regarding how the Israelite people always wanted to kill or killed their own brothers. From Joseph who became the saviour of the nation in a time of unbelievable famine, to Moses their deliverer who was kept, taught and sheltered by his brethren in the EAST, to all the prophets who were killed from Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah to John the Baptist.

Then came Jesus – The Son of Man, the son of Mary and they took him too and murdered Him on a cross because He claimed to be the Son of God.

When we look at the genesis of the Christian church in the Acts of the Apostles, we see on the day of Pentecost that the ARABS* were the ones who received the Word of God spoken by Peter and the Apostles. They heard about Jesus in their own languages (the Libyans, Ethiopians, Africans, the Persians were all there) and their heart were pricked as they accepted Him as Lord and Saviour. This was to be the beginning of the knowledge of Jesus Christ to the people of EAST because the Scriptures shows that even the Ethiopian eunuch who was Queen Candice’s treasurer took the Gospel of Jesus Christ back to his homeland anointed by the fires of the Holy Spirit. Can you imagine the unwritten history of these men and their exploits for God in their own nations?

When the Jews had rejected the message of Jesus – the Arab people and those from the East accepted with open arms the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In Matt: 2:1, the Bible says:

“Now Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of Herod the king, and behold there came wise men from the EAST to Jerusalem. Saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the EAST and have come to worship Him.”

How ironic that wise men who were worshippers of the One True God and who had studied the sacred text and knew of the prophetic times were able to discern from their deep study of the stars that Jesus Christ had been born while the Jews were oblivious to the knowledge of His presence far less the time of His visitation.

Just as the children of the EAST were worshipping the One True God in the days of Israel’s captivity and they were in darkness to who Jehovah God really was – so it was at the birth of Christ that the men of EAST were the first to announce the Saviour’s coming and be the ones to come and offer worship, adoration and precious gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

So again, just as in Acts of the Apostles, where 3000 for whom were Arabs, Africans and others from the Eastern lands heard the Word gladly and received Jesus – so it is again with the Wise Men who travelled a great distance just to worship the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, Jesus The Christ.

So 500 years before the coming of Jesus Christ, the prophet Isaiah in chapter 60 verse 6 prophesied that wise men will come on camels (not on donkeys, not in chariots); men from the lands of Midian (Jethro’s countrymen), Ephah and Sheba (The Eastern Lands) would come bearing gold and incense.

Many refuse to accept the Bible story. Many would rather accept the Christian story. We refuse to accept that the Christian story has been unadulterated by Greek mythology and Roman paganism. Christianity has been plagued by one-sided religious dogma which pits brother against brother. The Bible story is two-sided because it includes both sides of the coin.

Before Jesus Christ can return, the prophet says that “the flocks of Kedar must be gathered together to the Lord…the rams of Nebaioth (the sons of Ishmael – the Muslim nations) must minister to the Lord Jesus…they must come fully assured of salvation offering an offering of righteousness to the Lord…only then will the glory of the House of God be at its fullest..”

So the wealth – both physical and spiritually of the Muslim nations will be brought into the endtime church of Jesus Christ as a sign as did the Wise Men in His first Advent. Their ardour and ferverence in prayer will be magnified ten fold as they come into the knowledge of Christ and are baptized with the Latter Rain as the 3000 who were baptized with the Former Rain at Pentecost.

May we pray for the deliverance of all of the sons of Abraham…

281 responses to “What Does The Bible Really Say About The Sons Of Abraham – And What Will It Take For This Dysfunctional Family To Become As One?”

  1. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    To the Betzpaenic who opined….” Brilliance….. only in one area? The BU tag team is hilarious!”

    Question Sir. Are you brilliant in even one area Sir.

    How many folk that you know that are brilliant in even ONE area, far less more than one.

    It is so easy to engage mouth or fingers without engaging brain. ………..especially when one is BETZPAENIC!

    Can you Mr Betzpaenic one contribute anything of substance to the discussion?

    BT has asked for some useful interactions – some basic common sense and genuine humility and respect for others, so that BU could become a leading Think Tank.


  2. My God there are so many hypocrites on this blog who would want to a christian

  3. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Can you define hypocrite Sir?
    Can you ellucidate the etymology of the word hypocrite Sir?

    Will you let hiding behind those whom you call hypocrites stop you from being a Christian

    Do you think that your desire not to be a Christian will affect anything Sir?

    People are accepting Christ all over the world everyday.


  4. Can you, GP, tell me what betzpaenic means? And it is ELUCIDATE not ELLUCIDATE, you semi-literate.

  5. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Last week our illustrious bar raiser and author told us erroneously that when the Jews returned to Jerusalem after the Babylonian captivity that the end time prophecies concerning them were fulfilled. He even brought Sam his professor and mentor to support him.

    However, they both forgot two things. Only aboput 20 % of the Jews who went into exhile returned under Ezra Zerubbabel and Nehemiah , and this group were AGAIN evicted in AD 70 by Titus of Rome. Further more

    Sammy and his student the bar raiser, apparently never ever got around to reading Micah chapter four- which seems to be so important that’s its contents comes before chapter 5 parts of which you have often heard read at Christmas time, as it is a prediction concerning the first coming!

    BUT IN THE LAST DAYS IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT THE MOUNTAIN OF THE HOUSE OF THE LORD SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND IT SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; AND PEOPLE SHALL FLOW UNTO IT [MIC. 4:1].

    Notice that this fourth chapter opens with the little conjunction “but,” which is a connective that contrasts it to the last verse of chapter 3: “Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.”

    You see the predictions of chapter three came to pass when the Babylonians sacked Jerusalem. BUT clearly that was not the end of the story, because after the exile the POST EXHILIC PROPHETS HAGGAI MALACH & ZECHARIAH HAD A LOT MORE TO SAY ABOUT THE END TIMES. And Micah seems to have a lot to say here in chater four. YOU DECIDE! OK?

    IN the phrase “But in the last days” Micah is moving now beyond the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar and the destruction under Titus the Roman, and beyond all other destructions, to the last days.

    In the Old Testament, “the last days” is a technical term with a very definite meaning. Our Lord Jesus called it “the tribulation, the great one” (see Matt. 24:21) we designate it as the Great Tribulation Period, which begins “the last days.”

    Then after the Tribulation (which will be a brief period of approximately seven years), the Lord Jesus Christ will return to the earth. In fact, His coming will end the Tribulation Period, and He Himself will establish His kingdom upon the earth.

    “the last days” embrace the Tribulation, the return of Christ to the earth, and the millennial kingdom of Christ. Therefore, when Micah says “in the last days,” he has moved out and beyond all local situations, and he is looking way down into the future.

    The darker it became in Israel, the brighter the future appeared. And when Israel hit bottom, God let them see the light out yonder in the future.

    “The mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains.” The fact is that the city of Jerusalem is located upon a hill. Not only does Scripture make that clear, but all you have to do is to take a look at it. Micah is talking about Jerusalem, as we shall see. And the millennial kingdom will be centered there. Jerusalem will be the capital of the earth.

    “And people shall flow unto it.” The word flow indicates spontaneous movement—from the desire in their hearts WE ARE VERY SURE THAT AT THE END OF THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY THAT EVEN THE JEWS HAD NO DESIRE TO RETURN TO JERUSALEM AS PREDICTED HERE. Only an estimated 20 % went back at that time, only to be skittled out in Ad 70 by Titus. Ah lie?

    WE KNOW too .. that this prophecy of Micah’s is not being fulfilled today and will not be fulfilled until the Messiah comes

    And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem [Mic. 4:2].

    Here is another chapter, among the many chapters in the prophetic books of the Bible, which makes it clear that the present return of the Jews to the land of Israel is not THE CLIMACTIC fulfillment of prophecybecause in this day in which we live the nations of the world are not going to Jerusalem to hear from the Lord!

    Neither is the Word of the Lord going forth from Jerusalem. NOR HAS ANY OF THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST! Ah lie?

    There are today several Christian missionaries in the city of Jerusalem who themselves are Jewish, but who have been persecuted for presenting Christ and the Word of God. Believe me, the Word of God is not flowing from Jerusalem!

    The Word of God is not going out from Jerusalem today. For example, no Bible society is printing Bibles in Jerusalem and sending them out to the ends of the earth! To circulate the New Testament from that place would be utterly impossible.

    The Word of God is not going forth from Jerusalem as Micah said it would do.

    The wonderful prophecies in this chapter will be fulfilled during the millennial Kingdom when Christ Himself is reigning in Jerusalem. Then the heads of the capitals of the world—Beijing, Berlin, London, Washington—will be going to Jerusalem to be taught by Christ Himself of His ways!

  6. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more [Mic. 4:3].
    “And he shall judge among many people.” This again is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah, when He returns to the earth the second time to reign. Imagine the nations of the world bringing their disputes to Him for arbitration! The things mentioned in this verse cannot come to pass until He does come.
    SINCE THIS DID NOT HAPPEN AT HIS FIRST ADVENT SEEMS TO BE THE FULFILLMENT OF THIS IS FUTURE. Eh?
    “They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks.” This verse appears on the building of the United Nations. This verse certainly is not being fulfilled by the United Nations! It will not be fulfilled until Christ comes.
    “Nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” Obviously, we have not come to this position and will not until the Prince of Peace is ruling. Because He is not ruling in our day, we are not to beat our swords into plowshares; we are to keep our powder dry. This is not the time to disarm. When He is reigning, we can get rid of all our protection. These prophecies that Micah is giving in chapter 4 are not for the present hour; they are for the last days. Let’s put them in their proper context.
    But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it [Mic. 4:4].
    “They shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid.” Do you want to tell me that this verse was fulfilled between the return under Ezra and company and the second sacking of Jerusalem by Titus in 70 AD? Do you want to tell me that this verse is being fulfilled in Israel today? In our day they are absolutely afraid.
    For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever [Mic. 4:5].
    The American Standard Version has a much better translation of this verse: “For all the peoples walk every one in the name of his god; and we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God for ever and ever.” The thought is that in the past they walked after their own gods, but in the future they are going to walk in the name of Jehovah, our God.
    In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted [Mic. 4:6].
    “In that day” reminds us that He is still speaking of the millennial kingdom.
    “Will I assemble her that halteth.” Who is this whom God describes as halting, driven out, and afflicted? It is the nation Israel. Notice that He says, “That I have afflicted.” It looks as if God takes the blame for that which has happened to the nation Israel.
    And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever [Mic. 4:7].
    “I will make her that halted a remnant.” Never throughout the long history of Israel did 100 percent of the nation worship God. Always only a remnant was faithful to Him. God always preserved a remnant. Actually, it was a remnant of those which came out of Egypt that entered the land. Practically the entire generation that came out of Egypt died in the wilderness. It was their children who entered the land. God preserved a remnant. Even in Elijah’s day God had a faithful remnant. Elijah was very pessimistic. He cried, “Lord, I only am left” (see I Kings 19:10). But God told him, “You aren’t the only one; I have seven thousand in these mountains who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” Because they were hiding from Ahab and Jezebel, Elijah didn’t know about them (And I am of the opinion that in our day there are more believers than we think there are. There are many believers like those seven thousand. Although we don’t hear about them, they are true believers.) Also, there was a remnant of believers at the coming of Christ; although the leaders of the nation rejected Him and had Him crucified, there was a remnant that received Him. Later, on the Day of Pentecost, a great company turned to Christ; yet it was a remnant. It always has been a remnant. Coming down to our day, there is a remnant even in the church that bears His name. Although I have made the statement that I think there are more believers in our world than we realize, it is also true that in the church there is only a remnant of true believers in Christ.
    Also in our day there is a remnant of believers among the people of Israel—probably more than we realize. Yet God always has His faithful remnant. The word remnant in Scripture is very important; don’t just rush over it.
    In Micah’s day God is saying that of the afflicted ones He will make a remnant; He will regather them and make them “a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.”


  7. @ GP
    I realize that you have been so busy working on lowering the ‘bar raiser’ that you may have missed the question posed by Bagehot above;

    The men want to know the answer GP….

    Bagehot asked:
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    Can you, GP, tell me what betzpaenic means? And it is ELUCIDATE not ELLUCIDATE, you semi-literate.
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    ….just being helpful….

  8. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    BT
    When you see him tell him to Google it or try a Wicki LOl

  9. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    BT
    How can I lower the bar raiser? How can I lower him whom thou hast promoted Sir?

    I am just trying to put foward a logical argument about ” What does the Bioble really say about the Sons of Abraham?’

    To continue in Micah chapter 4.

    And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem [Mic. 4:8].

    “O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion.” God is probably addressing the land itself, informing it that its former dominion under David and Solomon will be restored, the far greater kingdom of the Messiah shall come

    . This has not happened yet; the kingdom has not come. If the people of Israel are back in their land for anything, they are back there for the Great Tribulation Period. The kingdom is still in the far future.

    MICAH PREDICTS THE NEAR FUTURE at that time to him

    At this point a cloud passes over the sun. A great many Bible scholars believe the next two verses refer to the Babylonian captivity.

    Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.

    Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies [Mic. 4:9–10].

    These two verses are so specific that they could refer to nothing else but the Babylonian captivity which was coming to the southern kingdom. When Micah directs his remarks to the “daughter of Zion,” he refers to the southern kingdom of Judah. The word that interests me here is travail..

    The picture Micah gives us here is that of Nebuchadnezzar taking Jerusalem. He came to that city three times, and the third time he destroyed the temple area, left it in wrack and ruin, leveled the city, and burned it.

    The suffering of the people of Judah is described as a woman in travail, a woman with birth pangs. This had to be a brief period or the nation would not have continued to exist.

    That kind of trouble could not go on forever because the people could not have endured it. It would have been too frightful, too terrible. For this same reason the Great Tribulation Period must be brief. The Lord Jesus Christ made that clear: “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (Matt. 24:22).

    “Thou shalt go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon.” When Nebuchadnezzar captured the city, the remaining inhabitants fled and tried to live in the fields. Eventually they were taken captive to Babylon.

    Let me call your attention to the fact that Micah in these two verses is looking beyond the Assyrian captivity of Israel to the later captivity of Judah by Babylon.

    However, in the next breath he predicts deliverance: “There shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.” Although they shall be captives in Babylon, God will deliver them from there. We know from history that God did deliver them by the hand of Cyrus (see Isa. 44:28; 2 Chron. 36:22–23). The point that Micah is making here is that the travail and suffering of God’s people will end in joy.

    MICAH PREDICTS THE DISTANT FUTURE (this is still unfulfilled)

    Now in this closing section Micah moves ahead to the far distant future, the time of the Great Tribulation and specifically to the final war, the War (not the battle) of Armageddon.
    Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion [Mic. 4:11].

    “Many nations are gathered against thee”—the mention of many nations makes it clear that Micah has moved away from the Babylonian invasion and is speaking of something else here.

    The many nations gathered against Jerusalem are mentioned by several other prophets. For example: Joel 3; Zechariah 12 and 14; Ezekiel 38 and 39 all refer to the War of Armageddon during the Great Tribulation Period.

    But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor [Mic. 4:12].

    “They know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel.” They do not know what God is going to do. They are coming against Israel blindly, unaware that God is bringing them there for judgment.

    Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth [Mic. 4:13].

    “Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion.” The nations of the world are as sheaves for the threshing floor, and Israel will do the threshing. Today Israel is a weak nation and absolutely dependent upon other nations, but in that day they are going to be dependent upon the Lord.

    Psalm 75:6 says, “For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.” Psalm 75:7 goes on to say, “But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.” In that day help for Israel will not come from the north (Russia), or from the south (Egypt), or from the west (Europe or the United States), or from the east (China and the Arab countries). Their help will come from the Lord who made heaven and earth.

    These final three verses look forward to the war which concludes the Great Tribulation Period, the War of Armageddon.


  10. @ GP
    Man I Bush Tea feel that you should answer Bagehot question….

    Fellows beginning to feel that no such word exist, – and that you GP ‘mek it up’ to sound impressive on the blog.

    Bush Tea however does not buy that line of thought, ….as that may lead bloggers to wonder what else you have been making up in order to sound bright and impressive. (LOL)

    …..besides, we bushmen hate big words – they cause BT to keep running over to wiki – only to find that these fancy words can be replaced by a simple likkle word….. but BT can’t find a thing to replace “betzpaenic”

  11. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    You can think what ever you like.
    It will snow in hell when the jokers on BU will decide my vocabulary.
    I dont have to try to sound impressive, man.
    And I dont need to impressany one on BU

    What I find interesting is that you guys cant add anything to the discussion.


  12. Are you saying that you reserve the right to make up your own words and concepts as you deem fit then GP? …..snazzy!

    ..but does that not lead to some doubts among bloggers as to when you are ‘making up things’ and when you are teaching?

    …don’t get me wrong, Bush Tea likes creativity – but this is my first exposure to the art of making up words in the middle of a discussion without any reference to what the word actually is intended to mean….. Bzhertvilitious! (I like um too yuh!!)

    LOL – I always thought that only BAFBFP did that …. LOL ROTFLAHMB

  13. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    BT… a betzpaenic is someone suffering with a neocortical neuron deficiency LOL


  14. Looks like some one has been watching too many episodes of Star Trek. Maybe Mr. Spock knows the meaning.


  15. How about someone with anxiety or neurological problems .


  16. Thanks MME – I can always depend on your enlightenment – appreciated.


  17. Edmund Spencer in alluding to the avoidance of truth puts it so succinctly:-

    “There is a principle which is a bar against all information which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is condemnation before investigation”…

    No wonder Jesus refused to engage the ignorant scribes & pharisees…


  18. For a certain clique in BARBADOS* – a concerted world view can be equated to nothing more than a neighbourhood watch…

    This is fundamentally flawed thinking given that there must first be a breaking free from the shackles of small, narrow-minded island thinking; a form of symbiotic v symbolic interactive homogeneity which ex[presses] itself in terms of unilinear evolutionary theodicy but loses faces when it comes to a reasoned form of Durkheimian functional determinism…

    Smelser’s contagion theory provides a fascinating window into the behaviour of “herd” mentality, crowd behaviour and the “bully” type mentality in the playground…

    As early as 1895, Gustave Le Bon argued that a “collective mind” emerged in such situations with the conscious personality of the individual[s] members almost disappearing…

    Le Bon believed that such individuals were dominated by a single impulse to act almost identically…

    He believed that individuals are less capable of rational thought once they get caught up in the “FRENZY” of the herd and the collective mind is, in effect merely the lowest common denominator of the emotions of the respective members…

    Le Bon’s contagion theory posits that the herd mentality especially that of the acting crowd, as the product of a group “contagion” in which individuals lose much of their self-identity and self-control…

    The result can be seen in “Inhaltsverzeichnis” – an interface between aggressive dis-associative dissonance and in Barron and Lacombe’s (2005) words, a “Jekyll-and-Hyde mentality & nature”…

  19. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Sir Terence M. Blackett Sir. Lord Raiser of Bush Tea’s Bar
    (Does that mean that you raise a security bar to enable the opening of his bar i.e rum shop?)

    Re Edmund Spencer in alluding to the avoidance of truth puts it so succinctly:-

    “There is a principle which is a bar against all information which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is condemnation before investigation”…

    What does Edmund Spencer has to do with the issue as put forward by Micah 4 Sir Bar raiser?
    What is the truth Sir? Why are you avoiding the truth? Why cant you face the truth that your theology is flawed…..and we still have Romans 9-11 held in reserve.

    You come here to impress us with whom you have read in a discussion on Bible!?
    You come here to impress us with whom you have read in a discussion on Bible which you started on the topic What did the BIBLE (not Edmund Spencer or Sam or anyone else) say about the sons of Abraham.

    Re:
    No wonder Jesus refused to engage the ignorant scribes & pharisees…
    Again INCORRECT AGAIN ERRONEOUS
    We will only reference John’s gospel. Off the top of my head check chapter 2
    Check chapter 3 Nicodemus as a ruler of the Jews and a member of the Sanhedrin had to be a Pharisee ‘Check chapter 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, need I go on?

    Have you ever read Luke 15? Or Mark 7? Who was he engaging then Sir?

    How dare you call the scribes & Pharisees ignorant, man. They are no more ignorant than you Sir. They knew the OT scriptures Sir, and we are told in Acts that after they understood the error of their way following the resurrection THAT MANY OF THE BELIEVED. Ah lie?
    Note that PAUL WAS A PHARISEE Ah lie?

    Ignorant from Latin ignoro ignorare ignoravi ignoratum to KNOW
    You are of course cognizant of that?

  20. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Terence M. Blackett Re your junk posted at June 21, 2010 at 8:33 AM
    The extent of the bias at BU is most hilarious
    If Dictionary had posted the arrogant ignorance that you have in respect the tight bowling you are facing in which you cite all books and literature to counteract Bible facts and the logic to which you cannot respond my friends Techie and Not Saved would be all over him. And so would Bush Tea. They would all be out in force mocking you Sir.

    Buit it seems that they are GOGNIZANT not ignorant, of the fact that I can handle your up and down bowling as if it were fish cakes and bakes and a tot of ovaltine.

    Re
    For a certain clique in BARBADOS* – a concerted world view can be equated to nothing more than a neighbourhood watch…
    This is fundamentally flawed thinking given that there must first be a breaking free from the shackles of small, narrow-minded island thinking; a form of symbiotic v symbolic interactive homogeneity which ex[presses] itself in terms of unilinear evolutionary theodicy but loses faces when it comes to a reasoned form of Durkheimian functional determinism…

    When discussing What the Bible really says about the Sons of Abraham concerted world views and neighbourhood watches don’t enter the picture Sir.

    Explain how my logical presentation of the Minor Prophets and their relationship to Israel in the eschaton is “is fundamentally flawed thinking.”?

    Explain how my logical presentation of the Minor Prophets and their relationship to Israel in the eschaton requires “that there must first be a breaking free from the shackles of small, narrow-minded island thinking” and a form of symbiotic v symbolic interactive homogeneity which expresses] itself in terms of unilinear evolutionary theodicy but loses faces when it comes to a reasoned form of Durkheimian functional determinism…”
    Would you like to run that bovine excrement through Mr Hoads biodigester? We could make some useful methane and donate it top some poor person for cooking purposes. Ah lie?

    Terrence Smelser’s contagion theory provides a fascinating window into the behaviour of “herd” mentality, crowd behaviour and the “bully” type mentality in the playground…

    But the BU “herd” is not after you Sir. And the “crowd behaviour” and employment “of the “bully” type mentality in the playground” is reserved for use against the so called Trinity. You cant handle the BU “herd” man? You cant handle the BU “crowd behaviour” and employment “of the “bully” type mentality in the playground”.

    This is just GP alone trying to get you to raise the bar for trute and explain your hogwash in the light of what the Bible REALLY says about the Sons of Abraham in the eschaton, man.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Terence M. Blackett Re your junk posted at June 21, 2010 at 8:33 AM

    Re As early as 1895, Gustave Le Bon argued that a “collective mind” emerged in such situations with the conscious personality of the individual[s] members almost disappearing…
    Le Bon believed that such individuals were dominated by a single impulse to act almost identically…
    He believed that individuals are less capable of rational thought once they get caught up in the “FRENZY” of the herd and the collective mind is, in effect merely the lowest common denominator of the emotions of the respective members…
    Le Bon’s contagion theory posits that the herd mentality especially that of the acting crowd, as the product of a group “contagion” in which individuals lose much of their self-identity and self-control…
    The result can be seen in “Inhaltsverzeichnis” – an interface between aggressive dis-associative dissonance and in Barron and Lacombe’s (2005) words, a “Jekyll-and-Hyde mentality & nature”…

    Sir Terence M. Blackett Sir. Lord Raiser of Bush Tea’s Bar
    For heaven’s sake, your efflux of bovine excrement is overwhelming the capacity of Mr Hoads biodigester to convert. Man if I had come in BNU spouting such BS BT would say that I was showing off man. Ah lie.

    No “collective mind” is emerging in this situation
    No conscious personality of the individual BU members has disappeared man.
    They are all hoping with bated breath that you can prove anything at all that I have said that is incorrect about What the Bible REALLY says about the sons of Abraham at this time and in the eschaton.

    No individuals are dominated by a single impulse to act almost identically, man. That is happening on the other thread where to a man they are at arms to debunk everything posted by Zoe and Dictionay. Ah lie? But over here one SINGLE SOLITARY SOLE SOUL is SHOWING UP YOUR STUPIDITY! Ah lie?

    Sir Terence M. Blackett Sir. Lord Raiser of Bush Tea’s Bar. I agree with Le Bon that individuals are less capable of rational thought once they get caught up in the “FRENZY” of the herd and the collective mind is, in effect merely the lowest common denominator of the emotions of the respective members… After all I have seen that on BU on several occasions against the so called BU Trinity. But you are highly favored man.

    You are a lofty author of many books whose brother is at Oxford . You have Sam as mentor and Professor and you hob nob with all these Muslim professors. In fact you were Muslim your self. You are a man with pedigree. Bush Tea is a man that does mark hard hear. So when he promote you to raise a security bar to enable the opening of his bar i.e rum shop….that means you real good man. You are a seed!
    Sir Terence M. Blackett Sir. Lord Raiser of Bush Tea’s Bar. I also agree with Le Bon’s contagion theory posits that the herd mentality especially that of the acting crowd, as the product of a group “contagion” in which individuals lose much of their self-identity and self-control… I agree man. You should see the BU herd on the go when I declared uncompromisingly that our PM would be planted on his death like other people.

    But no one would dare treat a Peer like you so Sir. It is only poor likkle GP that some think he does mek up words because they don’t know wuh the words mean that the herd would attack on BU man. You safe man. I cant even get Zoe to get out he books and tear the hogwash you come on here wid by exegeting Romans 9-11.

    Sir Terence M. Blackett Sir. Lord Raiser of Bush Tea’s Bar I agree with you that “The result can be seen in “Inhaltsverzeichnis” – an interface between aggressive dis-associative dissonance and in Barron and Lacombe’s (2005) words, a “Jekyll-and-Hyde mentality & nature”…

    But tell me Sir, when the highly self acclaimed BU judge, don’t know simple words like betzpaenia, you think that the rest of the crowd care about “Inhaltsverzeichnis” and
    aggressive dis-associative dissonance?

    Stop trying to prove that you are a big intellectual man. Defend your position. Tell them more about the evils of the Jews man Tell them What the Bible really says about the Sons of Abraham


  22. A word to the wise…I dare say it will go unheeded.

    If you want people to read what you write, keep it simple. Remember we are all igoramuses here…or should that be betzpaenic.

    When I read:

    “a form of symbiotic v symbolic interactive homogeneity which ex[presses] itself in terms of unilinear evolutionary theodicy but loses faces when it comes to a reasoned form of Durkheimian functional determinism…”

    I nearly swallowed my false teet steupsing. I doubt even you know what that bunch of piffle means.

    Thank God for the Page Down key. Nobody needs that kind of pseudo-intellectual crap.

  23. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Inky
    You not betzpaenic man.

    Your Betz cells seem to be working just fine. (At least some LOL ) Just teasing.

    It has been said by some one IF YOU CANT BAFFLE THEM WITH YOUR BRILLIANCE DO SO WITH YOUR BULL SHIT.

    Terrence having been promoted to a bar raiser must prove he is worthy of his rank. The brilliance bot working so he working the bull shit! That not working either. Clearly he has read or heard of certain books so he has to try to impress us.

    However, he is not advancing or defending the positions he espoused when he started the blog. Even if I have to do it my self I will be on him like corns on policeman boots. I will match him paragraph for pargraph LOL


  24. Georgie,

    It is not bias, but you do have it right, we have not the slightest doubt that you are best positioned to handle this nonsense.

    For the record I have mocked the rambling incoherent drivel of TMB many times.

    Someone posted a parody of TMB in an earlier thread. Frankly, I was unable to distinguish it from the real thing.


  25. @All… If I may please share a tangential point…

    Yesterday (Sunday) my girl friend and I were preparing dinner for seven (7) invited guests.

    The census people (two (2) of them) suddenly manifested, and wanted to ask us some questions. We welcomed them in and answered their questions while I finished the very complicated Tamago Yaki (Japanese Omelette) for the sushi promised.

    Two things which struck me during the interview:

    1. They asked if we had Internet at home? Yes. They then asked if it was ADSL or dial-up. I then asked “what about wireless”. They said “You have to have ADSL to have wireless”. “Incorrect”, says I.

    2. They later asked me my religion. I first said “Agnostic”. Not on the list… “Buddhist” says I. Not on the list… “Jedi” says I (this was a joke). Not on the list.

    At the end of the day, my religion has been recorded as “none” (since it was on the list, but there is an important difference between none (read: atheist) and agnostic) and my Internet connection has been recorded as “ADSL” because it was also on the list as an alias for “high-speed”.

    IMHO, those who designed and approved this questionnaire should be fired — this expensive exercise (only done once every ten years) is missing important metrics….

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    OK Mr NS Sir
    You may leave the witness stand and deposit two Banks malts and two Plus to my account Sir!
    I will give you a fair share of any money Low down gives me for the conversion of TMB’s BS to methane.


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